Lars Stugemo has said the similar about Polo compared to Fabia. It also shows in his driving which looks a bit more anxious with Polo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Lars Stugemo has said the similar about Polo compared to Fabia. It also shows in his driving which looks a bit more anxious with Polo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Mads Østberg said in a (rally)podcast (lyktepodden at Spotify and other) that they have tested and going to homologate a totaly new rear suspention, and some other parts to the C3 R5, but its not ready to the next rallies.
He also said that it was something fundamentally wrong with the construction of the R5, same stuff like the WRC.
He also said ha was not afraid to tell what he thinks, to whoever he speaks to:)
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So all in all it is safe to say that Skoda Fabia is still the best R5 car ever built.
1615/5000
Skoda Motorsport is working hard to advance the approval process of the Skoda Fabia R5 Evo, the second generation of the Fabia R5 that has reported so many successes since its appearance in 2015. According to the German Rallye Magazin, this car, which was planned that appeared at the beginning for the Rally of Finland, could already be present at the Rally of Portugal, which will be held between May 31 and June 2.
With the Fabia R5 the Mlada Boleslav have taken a good deal of control of the R5 car market, building and selling more than any other manufacturer in the last four years. However, the threat has become palpable with the arrival of the Citroën C3 R5, the Volkswagen Polo GTI R5 and the Ford Fiesta R5 MK8, which should land for this summer.
In addition to the updated front to be in accordance with the street Skoda Fabia (which received a facelift in its third generation), the Fabia R5 Evo has a lighter power system and a better 1.6 turbo engine response. There will also be components that are shared with the Volkswagen Polo GTI R5, the other rally model of the Volkswagen Group.
Skoda Motorsport is expected to align both Kalle Rovanperä - its main driver in the WRC2 Pro category - and the current WRC2 world champion Jan Kopecky. The veteran Czech pilot will carry out a program similar to that of other years, representing the brand in the national championship (being the favorite to win the title and the flag bearer of the new Fabia R5) while competing in some World Cup events.
http://revistascratch.com/wrc/notici...a-r5-evo-49802
Right now probably yes.. Polo seems faster but has reliability problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
But new Fabia is coming which might close any performance gap. On the other hand we have new Fiesta coming and maybe an improving C3 too if Ostberg has taken them in the right direction.
It’s a dynamic situation!
Eugene Donnelly will bring the first R5 Iriz to Ireland and their first outing will be the Easter Stages.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3Z4jksXoAAqFCE.jpg
Another Polo down ==> https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1213998
Complaints from their clients activate intervention in the Polo R5 ..
Sven Smeets, responsible for the German sports area, announced that work is underway to improve the car's steering system, which has been repeated since its appearance in competitions.
The claims have been accumulated and for this it has already been defined the renewal thereof, with maintenance by the company.
"... To avoid more problems with the current components, we have halved the maintenance interval and additional revisions, which do not entail additional costs for our customers."
http://www.rallynoticias.com/nivel2...._noticia=15041
Toyota Gazoo Racing, headed by Tommi Mäkinen, is targeting the R5 market.
In the Rally World Championship, R5 cars compete in the WRC2 and WRC2 Pro categories. In addition, the R5 races form the rally in the EM series and most national rally series, such as the SM series.
Toyota has been successfully competing in the World Series with its WRC car, which reached the manufacturers' World Championship title last season. In Puuppola, WRC games have been developed and built only for the team's own use, but the R5 market is opening new doors. Factory teams make R5 cars mainly for customer use, ie sell them to private teams.
By the end of last year, Skoda Motorsport had sold 282 Fabia R5 drivers, and the Ford Fiesta R5 cars built by M-Sport have also been sold. Of the major car manufacturers, Citroen, Hyunda, Peugeot and Volkswagen also have their own R5 Rally Cars. Skoda and M-Sport will launch new versions of their R5 cars in the summer.
Toyota is coming to take his wings from the cake.
- Plans are at a great pace. We are supposed to do it (car of the R5 rating), Mäkinen reveals to Rally.
Mäkinen is not yet telling the stage of car design. However, one can read between the lines that it is not in its infancy.
- You have to look at where more of this is told. There have been plans and discussions about how this is going to take you for some time now.
Clearly, Mäkinen does not want to talk over his mouth and carefully consider his choice of words. But one thing is clear: Puuppola is strongly involved in the development of the car.
"The project is probably going to be a bit like that," Mäkinen nods towards the Toyota Yaris WRC.
- Possibly this will be taken forward by Finnish, Japanese and German forces, Mäkinen adds.
In practice, this means that Mäkinen's outfit in Puuppola is responsible for the design and development of a new rally car. The engines are likely to come from the German Toyota Motorsport GmbH, which also produces power sources for Yaris WRC cars.
https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makinen-...usi-ralliauto/
more about polo r5 steering problem
Volkswagen Motorsport has responded favorably to the repeated problems that the Polo R5 showed in its management during the last weeks. To this end, the manufacturer notified its customers that the interval for reviewing the units has been reduced by half. Sven Smeets, director of the sport branch of the brand, also confirmed that additional analysis will be done in the direction. It should be noted that this item is manufactured and supplied by the Italian company Sportech.
During the opening of the European Rally Championship (ERC), the Volkswagen Polo R5 of the German Marijan Griebel and the Hungarian Norbert Herczig suffered inconveniences in the direction, which seriously complicated their performance. Just a week later, the French Volkswagen Nicolas Ciamin and the Polish Kajetan Kajetanowicz suffered exactly the same problems in the Tour de Corsica, fourth round of the WRC. On the other hand, the Polo R5 of Andrea Crugnola also suffered a failure in the direction during the Rally Il Ciocco, first date of the Italian national of rallies.
Faced with this situation, Smeets confirmed to the German medium Rallye Magazin that Volkswagen Motorsport will act accordingly. "We take the needs of our customers very seriously and are already working hard on an improved version of the address. To avoid more problems with the current components, we have halved the maintenance interval and will make additional revisions to the address without extra costs for our customers. "
"We are in constant communication with our customers and we take the problem very seriously," said Jan-Gerard de Jongh, responsible for the R5 project at Volkswagen. "Now we have to analyze exactly where the cause is. Either a fundamental problem or a defective parts delivery ".
The direction of Polo R5 is supplied by the Italian company Sportech, which belongs to the former WRC designer, Mario Fornaris. It is not a minor fact to remember that this supplier also equips the Skoda Fabia R5, whose concept was the inspiration for the Polo R5. Technically, the direction of the two vehicles is almost identical. However, the Volkswagen is based on the new platform of the Group, which is half a size larger than that of the Skoda.
To adapt the direction to the widest frame, the steering mechanism of the Polo R5 should be longer. This phase shift could be related to the reason that caused the repeated failures in the last rallies of the WRC, ERC and Italy. For now, the accurate analysis of the damage is already underway, De Jongh said: "We are working hard to understand the exact cause and correct the error. If necessary, we will also use a joker to solve the problem. "
Apart from this situation, Volkswagen Motorsport could also begin to be involved in a strange fault that the Polo R5 accused during the last Trans Itapúa Rally, valid for the first date of the Paraguayan rally national and the second of the FIA CODASUR contest.
The multiple Paraguayan and South American champion, Gustavo Saba, had to leave in the first stage of the event after a disconcerting detachment of the rear suspension grille on his Polo R5. The pilot himself had been very concerned about the damage.
"We have problems with the suspension grid. Without having hit anything, it is detached. Obviously there are problems with the manufacture of the pieces, "said Saba on Radio La Deportiva, with a clear confusion and nervousness. It happens that this same problem was the one that led him to defect at the opening of CODASUR, carried out last month in Misiones, Argentina.
Strikingly, the breakage and subsequent loss of the suspension grid was also the cause that led to the abandonment of Miguel Zaldivar in the Trans Itapúa Rally. It should be noted that the Paraguayan is a user of another of the Polo R5, in this case, it was a unit that was released for this event.
http://motorboxradio.com.ar/2019/04/...es-al-polo-r5/
This is not true at all, oh God...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The suspension layout of the two cars can not be more different within the existing rules. Polo R5 suspension is based on the concept of Fabia S2000 not the R5 which is completely different and I believe that one of the reasons why it is different was to get rid of the power steering issues.
It's a simple fact that the higher castor the higher forces in the steering hence why steering issues are well known with most of the cars with so heavily inclined front struts.
Μirek imho when they said that they are identical,they dont mean the tie rod ends ,but just the mechanism of steering.
That doesn't make sense either.
Everything in the motorsport is pushed to the limit and if there are much lower forces in the steering of the Fabia (which is what I believe in) its steering for sure wasn't designed for completely different force values in a car to come years later.
Also we know that the steering rack ratio and the feeling from the steering in both cars is very different (and ironically it feels lighter in Polo, i.e. the power steering pump is most likely reasonably stronger).
or same pump working at higher pressure just to cope with the higher forces due to different polo design?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
anyway its not the first time somebody will make wrong calculations,or decide wrong.
For me the most interesting is why it was not happening during so long test phase...
And first thing they did was to issue Bulletin that rebuild period of the rack is lowered from 2000 to 1000kms... but most issues happened way before that limit...
What is the 'suspension grid' that the article talks about? I'm guessing a poor Google translation.
Perhaps one advantage of Skoda having run a works team with their cars is that issues are found and solved quicker. The Polo debuted, what, six months ago?.. so should be over teething troubles by now.
Seems to me VW were so confident in their testing that they were happy to let customers buy and run their cars in competition without having done so themselves.
And as we know in rally, testing is one thing but competition is another.
Well, they did one, many tests were also quite thorough, running until its axle falls apart etc.
Lukyanuk also wasn’t at ease with the C3 before Azores Rally, but instead asking to change the whole car he changed his driving style and succed to be fast. That’s the approach of a champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
He coudnt do something else. Mads can work at changes with Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
be sure that Luky could be much faster with a car suits him,or doesnt behave strangely.
He could moan all rally long and cruise the car till the end, like Ostberg did in Sweden, but he braverly managed to show the car is fast, dominating the event until the brake faillure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
More than being embarrassing for Citroen, Ostberg constant complaints are starting to be embarrassing for himself.
I dont ever remember Lukyanuk moaning about any car he's driven. He just drives whatever he's got the best way he can.
In this case the C3 deal with Saintéloc was pretty late and he is probably just glad to to have the drive. Moaning about the car would look quite ungrateful.
Østberg is an experienced WRC driver of several cars plus he did help with the C3 WRCar's geometry to good effect. So he has the right to be critical of the R5 car when he thinks it's necessary.
For sure, but what’s the point of being overcritical in a public way, damaging the C3 image over potencial costumers? After Lukyanuk performance in Azores, should we still believe that the car has some kind of fundamental issue on gravel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Anyway, what mostly matters is to have the C3 being properly developed and improved, with the feedback from Ostberg, Lukyanuk and all Citroen Racing national costumers. Fingers crossed.
Opponents of Østberg in Sweden were quite lot faster than those who Lukyanuk had in Acores
But Ostberg's opponents are usually faster than him anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
True but still the ever lasting complaints of Ostberg about his cars have become really annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Yep, but Ostberg (and the C3) performance in Sweden is a bit hard to judge; in the first loop he was actually fast but all his WRC2 Pro opponents were soon in trouble and there was no need to keep fighting for a pointless RC2 lead: https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...201206&ct=1018Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
And people complaining about him complaining...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Fabia R5 Evo is now homologated.
https://cs-cz.facebook.com/motorspor...&__tn__=EEHH-R
If the latter stops then so does the former :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I agree with what was said above, if you’re employed by a manufacturer it’s not very professional. Say something bland in public like the car ‘has potential’ and keep the moaning behind closed doors.
Great, so you'd rather have driver's trotting out meaningless sound-bites, rather than telling the truth about how they feel...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
And when Ostberg is happy with his car he says so too, but no-one mentions that.
Exactly. Ostberg's moaning is funny, sometimes may be ridiculous, but it is still better than political correctness and corporate bullshit from official press releases. At least he is honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Let Ostberg moan! :)
Guys, do you think that Yoann Bonato and Citroen C3 R5 is a good combination? :)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1919717511470080
ICYMI
Unfortunately due to electronic issues, we won’t see the Proton Iriz R5 of Eugene Donnelly in action in Ireland this weekend.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OMXa4XsAMnW7J.jpg:large
[QUOTE=Mirek;1214374]Fabia R5 Evo is now homologated./QUOTE]
What are the main upgrades on the Evo?
According their press release: "Besides updated looks with headlights matching the street version of the model, the new rally car has also gained a number of important technical innovations. Among them, an updated 1.6-litre turbocharged engine now offers more power and a better torque curve. All the modifications are aimed at improving the performance and reliability of the car."
Full text: https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/...-and-personal/
Does anybody else find it somewhat odd that we've seen so little of the new Fiesta testing, given that it's been widely said that it's due to be homologated in time for Rally Finland, which is only three months away? Basically just one unclear grainy/dusty video. I feel like we'd see much more of the Polo and even facelifted Fabia earlier than we've seen almost anything of the new Fiesta...
Maybe testing mostly in their private track & forest with Greensmith...
I think that this quite public compared to the Yaris R5.:D
*got a feeling
"YARIS" R5Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
*got a feeling