Yes, but if you crash Friday/Saturday and can't restart it's the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
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Yes, but if you crash Friday/Saturday and can't restart it's the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Exactly. Everything is still open and nothing isn’t decided. Like you said if Tänak wouldn’t have hit the deer they maybe would have been on equal points after this rally or even Tänak ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Remember that Ott was almost 40 points behind Thierry at one point and seems Evans has regained some of his speed now with the faster rallies
Rovanpera did a great job all round. A late call and no prep yet still having the balls to commit on the fast stuff and deservedly taking the win. Plus helping Toyota big time in the Manus.
Neuville has opened every rally this season, but they still aren't even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
The new points system makes it harder to close a gap, because you have 3 opportunities to get point.
From other hand, gap between Tanak and Neuville would be bigger after first rallies, if Tanak couldn't minimalize damage with extra sunday points.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Yes, but in Latvia and Finland we can expect Tanak to be fast, maybe Evans as well, with Neuville struggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
What I think is stupid is to have literally ALL gravel rallies of the season one after another before the final 2 asphalt rounds... in the past we've had Germany, sometimes Catalunya or Ypres to break the gravel streak...
+100Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Okey guys, let me summarize the championship and rally situation, I just have to do it when Im on a long trip home.
Some words about rally - Beautiful stages but some irresponsible fans probably cost us Rally Poland next year. It is a shame, but honestly, we need some tarmac event instead of 3 fast gravel rallies.
Kalle did a great job, Ott would've win without hitting a dear but it is like this, it is a part of the game. Otherwise he was incredible on Sunday.
Evans had to benefit from rivals struggling but he quite didn't again. He lost already a lot of points on Sunday by some small issues this year. And the speed wasn't terrible, but not the best.
Fourmaux again showed that he deserves the seat, happy for him.
Katsuta? I dont know what to say.
Sesks was just amazing, looking forward to his home rally.
And Neuville.. Could've be faster on Sunday but he nailed the Power Stage, honestly, his advantage in championship is mainly because of the last stage in the rally, he is just so fast when he tries. This can be crucial for the championship.
With Neuville's leading, Evans in the middle and Tanak in the back, it really looks like it should be really really close after Finland.
I wonder, if there will be big ruts in Latvia, it should've suit Thierry as we have seen in Poland's second passes.
Exciting season.
Funfact: This year is really dry so far, lot worse for Thierry to open the road than for example Kalle (2022)
13 pts more than Neuville - Rovanpera shows how its possible to score and close a gap.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRVN-ygW...pg&name=medium
I find it hilarious that they list 14 above 15 and 4 above 6 points.
Yes there could be some logic dictated by overall results, but then Tanak should be last or second-last.
Yeah I agree, this doesnt make sense now..Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Btw I just realised that we all binned our pickems like in Sweden :D
I thought of putting Rovanperä, but at the end peer pressure got to me... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Highlights of Rallymedia: https://youtu.be/qC2t7158mRk?si=yUbuMill52c3f9Kz !
a mate of mine said he thinkg seb and kalle are so superior ""simply"" because they learned to trust the downforce of these cars. i mean, toyota looks to be the best car, no doubt on that. 'lucky' plays a role in rallying, of course. but it was an interesting argument. or not?
could this have something to do with "reducing costs"? like: 'changing' the 'cars spec' from fast gravel to tarmac to fast gravel to tarmac again etc Vs keeping the same 'concept' for 3 rounds in a row. ??Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
For that cause they banned mixed events; I think it's simply the matter that Deutschland lost it's spot and now has to settle with Austria & the Czech Republic with the Central European Rally & can't run it at the end of August (because of Barum Rally Zlín), Ireland aren't in the running yet, Ypres are back in the BRC, so basically we have no tarmac rally to take what used to be the usual summer tarmac rally slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
There's no logic to that table, is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I wish, we have a Hungarian tarmac round (in ERC region). Tracks in broken tarmac, deep forests, gravel parts and super - beatiful SS in vineyard.
But, i think the safety will be even more hazard then this weekend in Poland.
My idea is to rotate let´s say 3 different central Europe tarmac rounds (CER,Croatia,Hungary)
From beginning there were no plans for more editions in WRC in next years.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Overall a good rally, shame it was the way that it was but once the stages stopped being cancelled and interrupted it was actually a lot of fun to watch, maybe besides the power stage. Gotta say Sesks seriously impressed, and Fourmaux has really found his groove this season, I hope he gets a win sooner rather than later.
Nope. First it seemed like some was trying to sort by position and then they gave up and mixed it randomly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I'd be careful. Considering his ERC performance he seems to be fast only on fast gravel events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Driving like this in his first rally1 event is impressive, even if it's rally that suits him. He is young, he can still improve on different roads. Podium on Hungarian tarmac last year in ERC is good sign for future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
A challenging event with the heat, somewhat overdone security and cancelled stages, but i think i managed to put together a decent video in the end!
https://youtu.be/OIGdSq8c5h4?si=OlXh2_gm63NBE-oj
Careful with what..?
For debut rally every team/youngster chooses the most suitable one to show what one is capable of..
Not only he just drove thru the stages, but he also showed some really good pace there.
With just driving he finished ahead of Katsuta and Munster.. + (whiny) Neuville couldn't catch him.
I am surprised so many people is surprised by the speed and performance of Martins. He was always very fast on fast gravel. In his first rally with R5 car (and with experience of few starts with R4 kit), he won in general - it was Rally Liepaja, where he has beaten drivers like Llarena, Kristensson, Solans, Heikkila, Paddon, Torn, Bonato or Tempestini. All of them national champions (or very fast) with plenty of mileage with R5 cars. So for me it was not surprise, I expected Martins will be very fast. Question for me was only if he will stay all the time on the road. But he did this part well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
I see what you mean but when was the last time we were this impressed by a WRC debut? Obviouslly he has a long way to go if he wants to be there full time but he did his fair share of a good start, it was a much needed breath of fresh air to the WRC and I honestly hope he continues to impress us in Latvia.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Still better to listen to security and not have cancelled stages, even if it means youtube video will be little less cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
So, back from Poland.
My feeling is that organizers tried to just get it done somehow and cheaply without putting too much effort into it. Huge queues for checking tickets - in the beginning, they scanned QR codes, and later they just visually checked you have a ticket. I guess in the beginning quite many did not reach the stages in time because of this. You may say that one did not have enough buffer and planning, but the process could be much faster and smoother.
Canceled and interrupted stages felt the same - not enough invested into it and not enough learned from the past. Probably around Saturday lunch, some serious words were said and they finally started moving theirself. Seriously annoying is to make an effort to travel to Poland, make an effort to reach to the stage to only find out, that the stage is canceled. And then again, and again.
The competition.
Tänak's meet the deer session took down the main excitement.
But there were some fresh winds blowing
Mikkelsen showed some pace finally. In the end, he is maybe overconfident in fighting with Rovanperä as an equal man, but with the new points system delivered points to the team.
Sesks - I have followed ERC enough to know the guy. I agree with those who thinks that he seems to be mostly a "fast stuff guy", but he chooses his task and delivers. He just missed 0.4sec in the first proper stage to have the stage win and was only 1.3sec behind the overall lead at some point. Yes, he had a good road position, but he did not have the hybrid unit and did not have too much experience with the car. If you say that this was not an impressive debut, then what it is? I think his good driving causes quite many extra local spectators for Rally Latvia.
Rovanperä - this is what masters are doing. Seems like some old Hollywood movie - some retired specialist gets a phone call, "You have one job, only you can do it". And he did. We have only "what if"-s to have a comparison with Tänak, but Rovaperä handled well the rest of the field. What Rovaperä could do with proper preparation is another "what if".
Evans - maybe I expected a bit more from him on the fast stuff, but seems that the lack of pace this season continues. At the same time, he earned decent points against Neuville and Tänak.
Taka - the lottery guy, you never know what is his mood or confidence level. Maybe this was his actual pace to get to the finish because when he starts driving faster, mistakes comes.
Fourmaux - overall, he is the star of the season so far for me. He is good everywhere and has shown surprisingly good times.
Neuville - in a way he did a smart rally. If he knows he is not that good at matching others, he chooses to attack on the powerstage and get some points home. I wonder if a deer is his favorite animal now.
Tänak - the first stage on Sunday morning gave some hope back. He took almost maximum being first on the road. He probably had "all-in" tactics when others had more risks to take (losing Saturday points), but if your competitors gave congrats at the end of the stage for the time, it shows the quality. No whining towards the car.
Makes Rally Latvia and Finland interesting to watch.
Tänak SS16 full onboard
https://youtu.be/kiZQDUDdooI?si=2FNMUwHHJw9h8ALz
Oh my God, this guy has died:
https://sport.interia.pl/motorowe/ne...-z,nId,7617615
Sad news. I think that is not good news at all for Ogier, they say it’s not related, well must be a big coincidence…. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Think there may be repercussions from this to stop such enthusiastic driving on recce open roads, from the photos it looked like Ogier cut a left hand bend on the wrong side of the road. I assume police will have the footage etc so if there is any blame then he could be in big big trouble. I’m sure we will hear more.
That’s hard to hear
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ogier says now that he is done for this season
I believe recce speed limits are now controlled and enforced by GPS in the recce cars.
That said fixed speed limits are obviously not as safe everywhere.
Yes, careful. Sesks is a former winner of Rally Poland so he shall be fast there but he is also a driver who can't get to top ten on some other ERC events.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Anyway time will tell.
That's true. He's super fast on rallies like Poland and Latvia, but he's not that fast on tarmac. Some examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryin...-2023/3794134/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryin...-2023/3775474/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryin...-2024/3987468/
But it's still a pleasure to watch him, both in action and in interviews. He has such a positive personality, that he almost doesn't fit in modern WRC!
Pls point to modern times, e.g, past 30-40 years, young and promising driver who would be competitive on both surfaces immediately out of the block. As I said earlier - you can not learn natural speed - either it is there or not. His speed this weekend was great - you can not learn it by having driven those roads before. I hope his very smart team are aware of his shortages on tarmac. That is coachable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
He drove his first ERC event 8 years ago and since that time he did dozens of international rallies. He's not a rookie without a history like Chatillon.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
He died after he was released from hospital. Basically had no injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Yes, at least not injuries requiring hospitalization. Autopsy will examine if death has relation to crash with Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
According to sportowefakty, Ogier was driving ~50km/h when crash happened.