WRC Rally GB revival in Scotland makes “fantastic progress”...
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WRC Rally GB revival in Scotland makes “fantastic progress”...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...ress/10702285/
sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
here is my fantasy wrc rally scotland
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1360239
If this is true we are in for some interesting few weeks. And not in a good way.
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According to some tweets and story, Hyundai will leave the WRC. Waiting for the official...
The main source in Belgium:
https://www.autotrends.be/fr/actuali...engages-en-WRC
With Hyundai leaving, hopefully some private effort left with Neuville, its time to end the manufacturers impact on the WRC.
Who are they trying to decive? It has to be opened for private teams, running a wrc2+ and go for a european based championship.
Sorry to brake the news, but the manufacturers is clearly not interested anymore.
Sad day for my favorite motorsport.
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This is even worse than 2019….and it also said Škoda are out…yeah 2027 looks to be the end for this championship.
If hyundai quits, toyota can win the title on a much lower budget. And thus, lowering costs can attract new manufacturers.
Although I'm really sad that Hyundai leaves, we have to use this time to make our sport great again. This 2.5 manufacturers championship wasn't good for anyone. I think the healthy amount would be fully committed 4-5 teams.
Getting rid of the whole homologation process that needs a manufacturerer should be the first step. Let anyone who has the means to build a car, build a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Why limit jourself to just a few possible partners when you could have many.
Because the high horses had to be fed with money.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
BIG CHANGES
Next year the cars used in the WRC will be Rally2 and Hyundai will not be there.
These are the rumors coming from Kenya.
But let's go in order, here's what happened:
•The WRC teams had an "emergency" meeting with the FIA to talk about the immediate future and it was decided that starting from 2026 the Rally1 will be abolished and replaced with the current Rally2 (NOT Rally2 plus). This solution would be valid only for one year, that is, while waiting for the new technical regulation to arrive in 2027.
•Hyundai Motorsport will exit the WRC at the end of 2025 but there is still a small possibility that it will remain a private team for 2026. However, to be clear, if there were to be this private team it would have nothing to do with the current WRC team.
In this way, Hyundai Motorsport will be fully focused on the new WEC project.
All this information is rumor, it has not been confirmed but obviously it comes to us from sources that we consider very reliable.
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What´s the difference in marketing between WEC and WRC? Isn´t WEC a sleeping thing, no one care much about, or am I completely wrong?
Currently WEC has 8 manufacturers (Alpine, Aston Martin, BMW, Cadillac, Peugeot, Porsche, Ferrari, Toyota), 18 car in this year in the Hypercar category. WEC has a great rules now, because you can use the Hypercar and LMHd cars too. Ford is coming, Mercedes and McLaren "planing" to join. You cannot compare to the WRC sadly.
I was in Le Mans last year and it was a lifetime experience. If you can, visit any WEC round, highly suggested Le Mans.
To me it sounds like that at the end that bloke Richards or what he is called will get his way... having Rally2 cars top category. Even if not liked by no one. But yes, they try stupid rules, no one likes it, they try other way, Hyundai leave no matter what, FIA not having no other option than to cancel all plans and destroy well accepted Rally2 formula in the national field. Well done to FIA, all key people for all decisions being on time, and of course Cyril to drive the crucial team out of the sport.
Why not see if Ford would come back to fully-funding the M-Sport team for one year (2026) and have a battle with Toyota ?
Or the FIA / Promoter could subsidise M-Sport with some cash for top drivers, if Toyota agree.
This would give us another season of Rally 1 Cars in WRC, even if just with 2 Manufacturers. It happened before when there was just Citroen and Ford...
Neuville says the stories are unfounded...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/n...tion/10704952/
Boring to watch on TV, but the appeal seems to be easy to bring customers etc to event, shampagne and good foorQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Stop with the pipe dream nonsense. One day its Ford coming back, then its Subaru, Lancia, Skoda, Opel etc. Why would any new manufacturer join this series?? Its a black hole of a series which sucks all the money in and doesnt give anything back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Boring? You don't watch it then? Or you simply can't grasp the whole point of Endurance racing...........At least it hasn't 'dumbed down' to gain more fans like the WRC has done in the last 15-20 years. And is no better off.....Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Theres more chance of Ford coming back full-time for a year than the other Manufacturers you mentioned joining... now that is a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Malcolm will get another magic moment and hire Neuville :)
Yeah, Hyundai is as good as gone. Give 2 years to the Rally 2s, imo. And open up the championship. No set teams, no nominations,nothing. Top 2 drivers of any manufacturer score points. That will instantly bring Skoda and Citroen back, allow Hyundai to maintain presence and let Toyota and Ford continue their involvement.
and be a double of erc, with the same results in term of roi. Manufacturers will not invest money in it; they will just sell cars around.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
There are no manufacturers left,icymi. Even Toyota only continues because of Akio Toyoda's will. The rest of the board is against the WRC program.
hmmmm weird.
oh, btw... when does redbull gmbh contract with FIA/WRC ends? they are selling the wrc promoter but isnt kinda obvious that the other interested promoters would just wait until the contract is gone to sign up for a cheaper price?
Remember there were talks P1 fuels are going bankrupt & that Aramco would come instead starting next month? Well...guess what? Total Energies (what used to be Total up until 2021) will be the new fuel suppliers going forward: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/f...705741/...Call me optimistic but maybe having a french fuel supplier might fuel (sorry, pun intended) a french manufacturer down the line...(?)
Citroen could come back, now they will not have excuse of not having any driver to choose from.
Intersting POV, are you on the Toyota board or friends with senior management?Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
But you all who loves coming Rally2 cars are forgotting one thing. Most of the Rally2 programmes are customer based. And more important thing - this three current Rally1 manufactures are bringing huge money, from which WRC Promoter and FIA are living. If they will loose manufacturers, they will loose their money. I am not sure if championship can survive without money from manufacturers...
Are you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Most in the service park understand that WRC Promoter provides significant money to the Manuf teams to pay for their logistics etc.
Just like they do even in WRC2 - lots of WRC2 teams allegedly 6-figure payments from WRC Promoter when they attend the events outside of Europe (if they do multiple).....
wait, what? no, wait. manufacturers DO PAY a shit ton of money to compete, like pluto said. maybe the money to traveling comes from those fees? cuz the promoter's only focus is to make a buck $ out of the sport they are promoting. they invested some $ when they enterede the championship in order to grow it and attract sponsors and manufacturers, sure. but then they want their "RoI". i dont know how stuff work but it would be weird if redbull gmbh was paying more than taking. pointless i'd argue, tbf. no?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Edit: typo
2025 FIA WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP SPORTING REGULATIONS states:plus the entry fee for each event of €56 100 for a three car team or €46 600 for a two car team.Quote:
5.2 PARTICIPATION – MANUFACTURER
A Manufacturer:
5.2.1 undertakes to take part in all the rallies of the championship with a minimum of two (2) world rally cars complying with the 2025 Appendix J, Article 262.
…
5.2.4 must pay the registration fee of €413 560
plus the entry fee of €9 400 per car for each event.Quote:
5.3 PARTICIPATION – WRC TEAM
A WRC Team;
5.3.1 Undertakes to take part in a minimum of 7 nominated rallies including one outside Europe with up to two World Rally Cars of the homologation number 400/01 WRC or Ra1-22/XX.
…
5.3.4 Must pay a registration fee of €28 439 in order to score points irrespective of the number of rallies entered
that anual "sustainability index" for racing championships is out!
ERC is on the top5 most "sustainable" championships out there... WRC got p7
i tried reading the thing but ahhh, its so much b.s.
that FIM e-xplorer thing with e-bikes only and like, 3 races. the tracks were basically "race around that hotel, whatever", the "public" were some fellas that were on vacation at those places and happened to watch the races. like. THIS IS LITERALLY the "greenest championship" out there. some of the teams were even sharing the bike's transportation (less CO2). nope. they are around position 60 or so, WAYYYYY behinda NASCAR in p8 (???? with +100 v8 petrol cars traveling on long hauls the whole year) this is all non sense.
WRC (and WorldRX ...and EuroRX?) scored better than last year because the "wrc promoter" did some stuff like... something... something green, i guess? anyway. other than that, heres the link to download
https://www.sustainablemotorsportind...-2025-download
top3: formula-e, F1, motoGP
The bottom line is that the WRC is up shit creek if Hyundai pull out at the end of this Season, both financially and competitively. The Championship just isn't sustainable (nothing to do with being green !) in any way.
I fell the wrc is like the wrx, no one is interested of the manufacturers.
The wrx was best in the 80s and 90s, when it was a privateer european championship.
Maybe its time to go back for wrc?
Of course it would be a total different thing.
The most important thing is to get rid of the manufacturers homologate stuff, what is the point of that consept now?
If the next rally1 is a Rally2, a Rally2+ or a safetycell based car with rally2 parts and some aerodynamic build by competent builders i don't know, but for me was the Gr.A and early WRC the best championship sporting point of wiew, that should be the main goal for FIA. But i have low expectations, sadly enough.
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There's two sides to homologation, one being the mass production numbers. If you didn't have that, how and where would you draw the line if the motorsport industry turns up with a road legal cross cart (buggy)? Or even a sofa, to drill the point? Would you be expecting the industry to build something in the image of a touring car, even though it will never really be one, and with a design that will never be sent to production because that isn't the 'constructor's' business? The FIA would not stand to have a manufacturer's design being modified without the approval and involvement of that manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
And don't forget that rallying is a touring road sport. Rallycross is circuit racing.
Someone else noticed Cyril saying in after PS interview something like "Podium is good, but we have to comeback next year and finally win it"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Didn't watch it that far during the broadcast but you are correct, he did say that they need to come back again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
If you check the Supplementary Rergulations of each event, you'll see that many (half?) of the events charge no entry fee to various WRC category under the terms of their contract with WRC Promoter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd