Be interesting to see what the rulebook and the Rallysafe system dictate with respect to Neuville driving past Solberg's car.
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Be interesting to see what the rulebook and the Rallysafe system dictate with respect to Neuville driving past Solberg's car.
Quote from FIA regulations pertaining to incident on special stage:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
53.3.2 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or which sees a car which has suffered an accident and the OK sign is not shown, shall immediately and without exception stop to render assistance. All following cars shall also stop. The second car at the scene shall proceed to inform the next radio point. Subsequent cars shall leave a clear route for emergency vehicles. All crews stopping under this procedure will be allocated a time in line with Art. 52.
53.3.5 Any crew which is able but fails to comply with any of the above rules will be reported by the Clerk of the Course to the Stewards.
Fact is he said he seen the car. Regardless off anything else listen to the engine was no lift from him at all he will be in trouble over it no doubt and rightly so
does this still apply with the SOS system they carry in the car? Do upcoming drivers know if someone has crashed and pushed te OK/SOS button?Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
If Solberg had pressed the OK button and Thierry didn't get a warning signal, is that the same as displaying an OK sign? But then if fire trucks were needed.... ? Maybe the fire was delayed.
i'd be very surprised in case of a penalty for this. that's no regional rally. they have in car radio for emergency and on board flag sistem for that situation. it's totally probable that solberg pushed the ok button even before getting out of the car to check and see the fire, so no need to look for signs. also marshall were at spot with no sign of slowing down on requesting for help, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
everything was managed by marshalls and clercks, stopping the race and sending fire truck. nowadays, it's normal ( and way better) use radio com to the drivers rather than stop them randomly by hand signs. we saw that kind of accident lots of time, without that much fuss.
seems that there's people really on edge!!!
Yes, it applies. OK/SOS-button is one-way info to rally HQ, that information is not passed on to other competitors. Thus, even after activating buttton, crew of crashed car still must show OK/SOS signs to other competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I believe the ok button goes back to rally control. And there's no radio contact as far as I know while car is live in the stage. So for a competitor to pass another with no ok board displayed and also a fire. Is a big deal. The fact he never lifted doesn't bode well for him either. If it had been on a section where there was no Marshall evident it would have been a lot worse for him. The competitors are supposed to look out for each other in these instances. And the fact he could of stopped and helped extinguish the fire. Also has to be factored in.
in the video used as a reference, you can easily see a marshall on the right side, near the camera, taking pictures on the phone. that's clearly a sign that the situation is under control ( or supposed so). drivers seeing marshall behave like this will never stop to check on other competitors, because marshall's behavior is basically saing "all ok"...
Other crews do get warnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDWseIQE42U&t=398sQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
That alone is a current problem he is there to Marshall not take pictures on his phone. Why hasn't he told the crew they need they're ok board displayed or asked them for it to display himself instead of taking a picture. You can't rely on the attitude of a Marshall for the seriousness of an incident. The fact Edmund asks for the next car to be stopped doesn't helpQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
btw: in the same video you can see the fire spread out badly well after neuville. after using the extinguisher at the end of the video, the co-driver clearly says to stop next car, and marshall asks for "any sign". so the danger situation is assessed well after neuville.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
completely agree on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
just saying the general behavior around the car at the moment of neuville arrival seems relaxed and doesn't signal any danger or need to stop for help. this is what the driver sees, doesn't mean that was not needed, but drivers rely on what they can see and i think neuville is not to blame in that case, maybe the marshall a bit more. probably they didn't get the seriousness of the fire, or were convinced it was already under control or extinguishing...
I stand corrected, this is confirmed by Supplementary Regulations. Interestingly, FIA Sporting Regulations do require crews to use OK/SOS signs as well, despite this technology?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
use of both is probably a good idea anyway to get the situation sorted quickly and get notice fast to both marshall/spectator and drivers, i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
It is not the role of a marshal to make sure the competitor knows / follows the regulations. you can't expect a volunteer marshal who is there to keep the public safe to worry about adherence to sporting regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
That reference to the Supp Regs is quite telling 'shall immediately and without exception'..... that is a clear statement from the rules.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
the marshals are there in the first place to keep everyone safe, including competitors. That's why they have fire extinguishers, radio's, flags and first aid training. They are supposed to know at least the basic rules.
WRC+ onboards are up but nothing from SS9. Thus we can't confirm from Neuville's onboard whether someone showed him the OK sign earlier than in the video.
i get it! that's why all the closed to public sector and rallies have no marshall! ah no..wait... : )Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
(just joking)
What are their tyre choices for the afternoon?
All 4softs and 2 wets
So no rain on the 3rd stage of the loop this time round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
What happened to greensimth on ss12? He looked to be in road mode.
5th puncture of the weekend!Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Other 3 are bone dry so its a pretty easy choice imo. Even If it rains in one stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Breen slow... disappointing.
Thierry flying......, and now more trouble
Power issue for Neuville.
Engine trouble - wonder if that's fixable
Poor this from Breen but he will likely get another podium
Thierry can’t seem to catch a break this rally, so close to the podium, hits trouble each time.
Letīs hope Neuville can fix engine problem. Breen some 15 secs slower anyway.
Breen with no problem, just slow.
Neuville really had a blinder in this stage. Would've been an incredible time if not for that loss of power
Tanak drives off no comment - another Hyundai issue? Or just Ott pissed with his time (which will still be faster than Kalle)
Or another Hybrid problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Tanak will be taking a sledgehammer to that box if so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
based on All-Live, it was Martin who gave order to move forward. So probably something from dashboard or something. I hope they can compete on special stages, not on nursing their cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Nightmare for Neuville. If he could come this time "I got most of the troubles" speech, I could believe him.
they said it was martin to call the go
e: burned! : )
Now sauna. And only watch All Live. More comments on this forum tomorrow.
Have a good Saturday night, fellow rallyfans.