Don't know exactly what was the problem but it's known he wasn't happy there. If I remember well when he was in Ford he won only in Greece, Delecour was faster than him in the Escort and the car wasn't developed too much compared to others.
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Don't know exactly what was the problem but it's known he wasn't happy there. If I remember well when he was in Ford he won only in Greece, Delecour was faster than him in the Escort and the car wasn't developed too much compared to others.
Well, the Escort RS Cosworth was their hope to beat all the competition, but it was unreliable car. Probably that has been a frustration, but it was much faster car than Sierra which he also drove. If he has hoped Escort to be the new "Lancia", this never happened.
No, don't worry, there is nothing wrong with Biasion, a legend in fact, but this thread is a bar thread read; don't take stupid remarks seriously. And the people who make comparisons between the drivers of today and the ones of 30 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
-whitch is impossible- and call old legends pussy's is not arrogant or dumb, it's too much beer.
Oh I'm not worrying. But You're right, every age is different, and these comparisons are a bit stupid
Marathon Rallies from the past won't count. We're just talking for a concentrated, even period. The GP drivers are cooped in, with nowhere to go. They absorb all the energy going through the car. With Rally, your arms and legs are somewhat free, so the body doesn't absorb all the energy. You can't deny the physicality of F1?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If we agree that top level motorsport has to have some relation with regular motoring. I'd also say left foot braking and Scandinavian flicks are a part of conventional driving. While you might not get away with it on public roads. It is those techniques that you need to do to hustle a standard production car around a stage. Whereas with a tarmac circuit. You can't drive a prod car the same way as you would drive an F1 car. Despite it's popularity, F1 would be less relevant than Rallying because of this.
It'd just be a matter of conditioning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That's good. Because it didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
He's still better than an F1 champ?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
In theory, Timo's success, despite his "inferior" athletic ability, would make him a superior driver to someone with more success than him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
To tell You the truth, I don't really care who wins that battle. As Mirek said, there never was 1, and will never be. I gave You some directions to think about if You want some arguments for somewhere else, but the truth is different for every person, just like the truth is 1 champion better than other. Everyone will have his fans, more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
And about marathon rallies 30 years ago, we should consider them as more real rally than nowadays, so this is valid argument. That is true f1 has much more g-forces, but that's the nature of the sport, if 1 is not well prepared for it, better not doing it. I personally can't judge from few hours in the gym every day about driving abilities.
Ari though this back then and thats good enough for meQuote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
And yet 20 years after, 17 years after the World rally car version, Mats Jonsson in the SM event behind WRC, on rutted and torn up roads---sets times which beat all but top 4 current best fastest ever Heros...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Kind of odd that the car was 'unreliable"--and equlaly odd it was faster--with the biggest difference from Sierra being the length of the prop shaft and 1 section of the exhaust..
(I have Sierra 4x4 Cosworth and now what is different...and what the World Rally Car spec is)
Hmmmm 17 y.o. car, driver in mid 50s--beat all but top 4 WRC drivers.
was ist der los?
What tyres do the SM events use? Mats was quick back in the day, but not superhumanQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Last night was a very slow night in the WRC Pickems forum bar. "Everyone who came in was really grumpy complaining about it being a devastating result for them" said the barman who wishes to remain anonymous.
"I just don't get it" the barman continued "the Irishbar down the road had a huge night, I even had to send supplies down to them when they ran out of Guinness early in the evening"
Must have ran out of Irish wine as well. You know, Tullamore...Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
A question is in my mind for a lot of time.
Why there are more rally spectators looking at the cars through a smartphone than people looking (and living) it with their own eyes?
I mean, you don't go to a rally every day, especially a WRC round, you make tons of kms to go there all the organization and so on...You spend money and time to enjoy a unique and wonderful show and then? You watch it through a screen? I cannot understand that.
Ok, maybe you want to remember the moment, you make the video of one or two drivers, it's ok, we're in 2015, but look at live coverages or others video on the web, more than a half of spectators is watching one of the best live moment for a rally fan through a little screen.
Don't you find it weird?
It is really weird and i dont get it all, it actually pisses me really off, especially in music concerts, everybody just filming.
i dont find it weird,i just dont like to do it.
On the other side i have to say a very big thanks to all fans taking photos or videos and upload them at net.
So guys who do think is best driver of all times? Loeb or Ogier? :)
none of them actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Just kidding, mate!
yeah, I suspected something like this:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Loeb for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
btw it is the right thread Rallyper:)
EDIT: the real question is what to drink for? Out of despair, or something else?
Good job Rallyper! Loeb for me but I can't judge too much since I didn't "live" Loeb era and can rely only on almanacsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Someone has said "The history is written by the conquerors", but it wasn't me:)Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
you were lucky... it was quite messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
women screaming, kids looking for their dads, men deteriorated into nagging women and Finish blood and remains everywhere... it was hell son... hell on earth... i can still hear the agonising voices of Legends/young hopefulls/challengers and their dog fans... few of us survived and embraced the new god the rest are just infidels tormented until this day just by hearing his name of having a glimpse at his shadow... dark times kid... dark times...
You're right about one thing N.O.T. - "dark times"
The "only true god" as Melisandre should have said?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Btw I'm not a kid, I said I didn't live it but I was well alive, I just didn't pay attention to rally, I used to waste my time with football and such things. The funny thing btw is that I used to live in a town near Olbia and I had the rally Sardinia Service Park 10kms from home. Such a pity...
Sorry for the divagation, you probably don't care about it but this is Rally Bar thread so I guess I'm allowed :D
Only one remark. You're mistaken the word God with some other definition.
Why don't you like him? Seriously...
I mean I don't like Ogier but I have no problem to say that he is the best and probably he will be remembered as one of the best
Don't like Loeb? I suppose? Well I don't have problems with his titles and so on, just don't think he deservers so much credit, that is all. Perhaps no one else does for the moment, Rallying has been through different eras and periods, some of them quite incomparable with each other. My point generally is that every era/period deserves it's own "heroes" if You might like to call them (well in my definition Loeb is not actually fitting in it).
In general there just can't be just "one" of them.
Wanna have one more beer? I know - you had enough already, but one more wouldn´t hurt, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
answer is at post #386 read again.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
i prefer the tears of the fans of the fallen legends.... sweet like nectar... nothing beats sadness in a glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I thought so. Nothing any time to argue for..... Barman, a beer each please......Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I thought Kankkunen was the best of all time so far?
I was competing in a motorkhana during the weekend. It could be called an Autotest or solo elsewhere in the world. I was told it was Paddy Hopkirk that invented this discipline. Is this true?
Not much room for mistakes.
Kristian Sohlberg @Krisse_Sohlberg Aug 7
A bridge on stage in #Rally #Vyborg #Russia..need to have a good line, or what u think? #rally #teaching #bridge
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLz5LSSWwAAUmLP.jpg
Russian constructions are usually strong, so good line should be enough
But what will happened if the lines are not good enough?
Then Ogier will jump in and complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF