Rally GB 2007 - official thread

[N.O.T]

I honestly think Suzuki's visit to WRC will be quicker than Nissan's.

And hopefully they will get those drivers with them....

[GigiGalliNo1]

oh really? is he out ? :(

[dimviii]

Higgins incredibly fast :eek:

well done!

[MikeD]

Yes i think Lindholm is out.....good for us...with his pace we would need a calendar to time him not a stopwatch

:lol: That got me laughing out load at the office :lol:

[Tomi]

I honestly think Suzuki's visit to WRC will be quicker than Nissan's.

I hope not, it would leave 3-4 drivers without work.

[COD]

Suzuki design boss Michel Nandan was very critical about the team in an interview in Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat this morning. He said the car was designed in Japan before he came along and that they have no money to test the car. Sounds very alarming.

[Tom206wrc]

Yes i think Lindholm is out.....good for us...with his pace we would need a calendar to time him not a stopwatch




Unfortuneately for you, you'll see the SX4 wrc on next year's full season, with all drivers at its wheels becoming strangely very slow... :rolleyes:

[COD]

Higgins incredibly fast :eek:

well done!

Sure, a massive 0,5 s faster than Hänninen who competes first time in UK :laugh:

[A.F.F.]

And hopefully they will get those drivers with them....

I changed blanks to my gun.

So, I tell you this NOT. With your experience of rally, you certainly know that at least Lindholm is there to test the car, not trying to get a team seat.

What comes to Bernardi... I really don't care :)

[N.O.T]

I don't have anything against the team...but the choice of drivers was tragic....you cannot hope for progress with such incopetence at the wheel.

[Tom206wrc]

Has Stuart Jones(MG S2000) also retired in SS3 or is it only split times missing ??? :confused:

[A.F.F.]

Suzuki design boss Michel Nandan was very critical about the team in an interview in Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat this morning. He said the car was designed in Japan before he came along and that they have no money to test the car. Sounds very alarming.

See...

Japanise philosophy seem to be that if they don't get an instant success, even with an invalid car, there's no point to continue.

You heard it from me first. Suzuki's out of WRC.



;)

[Josti]

I hope not, it would leave 3-4 drivers without work.

I know, a driver like Gardemeister doesn't deserve that. I'm afraid w'll see an uncompetitive SX4 WRC in 2008. At least at this point.

[N.O.T]

I changed blanks to my gun.

So, I tell you this NOT. With your experience of rally, you certainly know that at least Lindholm is there to test the car, not trying to get a team seat.

What comes to Bernardi... I really don't care :)

What an amazing tester they got.....what is he testing exactly ? Our patience ??

[A.F.F.]

What an amazing tester they got.....what is he testing exactly ? Our patience ??

:laugh: :up:

A bit harsh but true.

I still think that Lindholm has a reputation of being a good and experienced test driver.

[Brother John]

I honestly think Suzuki's visit to WRC will be quicker than Nissan's.

I had a dream, Suzukis dream, :rotflmao:
I don´t get It............................................. :dozey:

[Finni]

Suzuki's slowness is because drivers are told not to push and the car is extremely slow. Nicholas Bernardi is superfast on asphalt. Honestly, that guy equalled Marcus' pace in Spain few years ago (despite few stages). And we know that Marcus is not slow either on asphalt.

I watched Lindholm's in-car video sometimes ago and it seemed more like driving rally cars 15 years back than modern wrc-car. I think that Suzuki will be the joke of next year. I wonder who is paying for driving that car. Toyota Corolla would be cheaper and as competitive. LOl

[noel157]

Maybe P-G knew more than he was telling when he didn't take up Monster's offer for a cheque book drive.
And no money to test? Crazy.They've got to get the car sorted for 08.

[N.O.T]

:laugh: :up:

A bit harsh but true.

I still think that Lindholm has a reputation of being a good and experienced test driver.

jokes apart i think the car is to blame for that performance...

but havng said that their choice of drivers for this year was a drama....and the fact that they are using whole events for testing shows they are not serious...

Lindholm is one of those funny guys who only know how to drive on stages they know by heart.....not a rally driver.....Having a has been cousin also helps in publicity.

[wroom]

What an amazing tester they got.....what is he testing exactly ? Our patience ??

Honestly N.O.T, what on earth where you expecting? That they hire Loeb to test their first entry into WRC? That they score a podium on the first try? Or that Lindholm has never raced a car before? He was not hired to be the fastest but to bring feedback to the team on the car's behaviour.

Your odd outbursts against Lindholm make no sense. If you want to vent your frustration at Suzuki's progress, direct it against the team rather than the test driver.

Just my 2 cents..

[A.F.F.]

Lindholm is one of those funny guys who only know how to drive on stages they know by heart.....not a rally driver.....Having a has been cousin also helps in publicity.

That funny guy is 8-time Finnish rally champion. Just for the record ;)

[Buzz Lightyear]

OMG :eek:

Wilson jr is not totally lost in his home rally. He is actually remotely competative :up:

when a 7th fastest time is a sucess after two full years in wrc... there is a bigger problem.

[Tom206wrc]

My mind about the Suzuki subject: if the boss "Monster" Tajima wouldn't have proudly declared in front of the press that Suzuki was aiming...PODIUMS(!!!)in 2008 WRC championship, the "performances" of current SX4 wouldn't really have been so tightly followed by rally fans in Corsica and now in RAC... :s

It appears obvious now that it can't reach such purpose with whatever drivers at its wheels(too much mechanical/set-up problems) :mark:

Having won several times the famous Colorado Pikes peak hillclimb should have given an extraordinary sur-evaluataed optimism to Tajima it seems :rolleyes:

[Brother John]

That funny guy is 8-time Finnish rally champion. Just for the record ;)

Yes it must be the car, i agree.
Suzuki has a nice L.A. video and that´s enough to promote the car in USA....also in Europe maybe. :p : I HAD A DREAM, hahahahahaha

[Buzz Lightyear]

I don't have anything against the team...but the choice of drivers was tragic....you cannot hope for progress with such incopetence at the wheel.

lindholm drive for free.. and bernardi get FFSA to pay. unless suzuki commit €20m to the job, and proper engineering sturture, they can forget about it.

[rdr]

lindholm offtopic
Test driver example peugeot wrc + if anyone "handless" driver can drive this speed (below..) Please immediately call Suzuki...

NESTE RALLY FINLAND - 2004 / After Stage 11
1. Grönholm
2. Sebastion Lindholm +19.1
3. Märtin +37,1
4. Sainz +1:04.2
5. Tuohino +1:04.9
6. Loeb +1:15.2

[Buzz Lightyear]

Sure, a massive 0,5 s faster than Hänninen who competes first time in UK :laugh:

dont worry... hanninen will likely be exlcuded... i dunno this time... for having his pet rabbit in the car with him.

[Brother John]

Maybe they build a S2000 for 2012 instead of a wrc car? :laugh:
Did they not say we are not happy with the new rules for the future in WRC? :p :

[Buzz Lightyear]

See...

Japanise philosophy seem to be that if they don't get an instant success, even with an invalid car, there's no point to continue.

You heard it from me first. Suzuki's out of WRC.

;)


Mmm.. I dont know. Look at F1. despite having mega budget they still dont win. I can see them winning in a few years, but only with European engineering and managment expertise.

[[WRCRR]]

I will say this now: Suzuki in 2008 will make for example Hyundais'/MSD's attempt with the Accent look miles better. They just dont have enough money for WRC, there are no required structures to make a competent WRC team, japanese attitude...so many problems lay ahead.

One wonders if they will even make it till the end of season next year...

And one thing...I really really hope they dont ruin some drivers career during their time as a WRC team (like PG, Wilks, etc.).

[Magnus]

Having a has been cousin also helps in publicity.

Bosse is not a "has been" already is he? You are certainly going out hard today NOT!
A little bit interesting is that Bosse started his career as co-driver to Lindholm in 1986. They crashed out though... :s

[bf1_IRL]

Sure, a massive 0,5 s faster than Hänninen who competes first time in UK

Didn't Hanninen do WRGB last year in the C2 S1600 & win the class.. :confused:

[turves]

when a 7th fastest time is a sucess after two full years in wrc... there is a bigger problem.

maybe, but look at the 3rd and 4th splits on ss3, he only lost 0.4 seconds to Mikko, the same as Latvala. Everyone else was slower. There is hope there, and although he hasn't set the world on fire, maybe we shouldn't write him off just yet!

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Dani Sola on SS3 ??? :confused:

[N.O.T]

That funny guy is 8-time Finnish rally champion. Just for the record ;)

I know and i never questioned his ability on roads he knows by heart and doesn't need a co-driver. Track drivers are also useful.......

[MikeD]

when a 7th fastest time is a sucess after two full years in wrc... there is a bigger problem.

I agree - but for some strange reason a lot of people in here will come and tell you that we should not critise Matt Wilson, because time will make him better.
But now he has had time - 2 years in a really good car - and he's still slow.

Talent is not something you build over time - either you've got or you don't - and it should be obvious for everybody now, that Matt Wilson doesn't have the talent to be other than the odd points scorer!

[Finni]

maybe, but look at the 3rd and 4th splits on ss3, he only lost 0.4 seconds to Mikko, the same as Latvala. Everyone else was slower. There is hope there, and although he hasn't set the world on fire, maybe we shouldn't write him off just yet!

Lol, You are missing forest behind trees. Any driver can do one fast random split now and then. As long as Wilson is not able to deliver one good stage not to mention a good rally we shouldn't see any ray of light. Just compare Wilson's developement to Atkinson, Hirvonen or Sordo and you will see difference between talented drivers and mediocre guy.

[MikeD]

]I will say this now: Suzuki in 2008 will make for example Hyundais'/MSD's attempt with the Accent look miles better. They just dont have enough money for WRC, there are no required structures to make a competent WRC team, japanese attitude...so many problems lay ahead.

One wonders if they will even make it till the end of season next year...



Yes, you have the feeling they will leave 2/3 into the season with perhaps having scored 1 Manu point.

But let's hope they prove us wrong ;)

[Whinlatter]

I wasn't on this website when Richard Burns started his WRC career, but I'm sure he would have been slagged off by some of you guys for being slow - fact is, he went about learning the events in a methodical way, got to grips with the car, the different nature of the rallies and gradually increased his pace, with very few expensive accidents - then when he was capable of winning events, he upped his pace and went for it.

I don't honestly believe Wilson is another Burns, but he is approaching his rallying the same way - by the time he is as old as Wilks, he will be quicker than Wilks is now.... I suspect there is just some frustration from people that he is in a 'works' seat because of his father, while faster drivers like Galli and Gardemeister are sitting at home watching - but this does not make him a **** driver - if he had stayed in the UK doing BRC I would not expect him to be far behind Higgins and Wilks now, and look how much more experience they have......

Hope they get the Suzuki fixed for Superrally - I want to see it in Epynt tomorrow! :(

[N.O.T]

mediocre guy.

mediocre ??? don't overate him......

[N.O.T]

I wasn't on this website when Richard Burns started his WRC career, but I'm sure he would have been slagged off by some of you guys for being slow - fact is, he went about learning the events in a methodical way, got to grips with the car, the different nature of the rallies and gradually increased his pace, with very few expensive accidents - then when he was capable of winning events, he upped his pace and went for it.

I don't honestly believe Wilson is another Burns, but he is approaching his rallying the same way - by the time he is as old as Wilks, he will be quicker than Wilks is now.... I suspect there is just some frustration from people that he is in a 'works' seat because of his father, while faster drivers like Galli and Gardemeister are sitting at home watching - but this does not make him a **** driver - if he had stayed in the UK doing BRC I would not expect him to be far behind Higgins and Wilks now, and look how much more experience they have......

Hope they get the Suzuki fixed for Superrally - I want to see it in Epynt tomorrow! :(

Having the names of Burns and Wilson on the same post is pure sacriledge and should be also illegal....

[turves]

I wasn't on this website when Richard Burns started his WRC career, but I'm sure he would have been slagged off by some of you guys for being slow - fact is, he went about learning the events in a methodical way, got to grips with the car, the different nature of the rallies and gradually increased his pace, with very few expensive accidents - then when he was capable of winning events, he upped his pace and went for it.

I don't honestly believe Wilson is another Burns, but he is approaching his rallying the same way - by the time he is as old as Wilks, he will be quicker than Wilks is now.... I suspect there is just some frustration from people that he is in a 'works' seat because of his father, while faster drivers like Galli and Gardemeister are sitting at home watching - but this does not make him a **** driver - if he had stayed in the UK doing BRC I would not expect him to be far behind Higgins and Wilks now, and look how much more experience they have......



Agreed. He may not be developing as quickly as Mikko, Latvala etc, however, if he'd done what, say, McRae did in his early Subaru days, he probably wouldn't be driving anymore. I'm critical of him myself, and sure I would like him to go quicker, but as Whinlatter says, he's only 20 and is gaining experience all the time.

[turves]

Having the names of Burns and Wilson on the same post is pure sacriledge and should be also illegal....

Knowing Richard I'm sure he would've been supportive of Wilson...

[bf1_IRL]

Mark James (markrally) on Globecast (Rally Radio) at the mo :D www.0157.org (http://www.0157.org)

[Mauri A]

Nice to see that masterbasher N.O.T. in full speed again!

[Tom206wrc]

SS4 should start soon, please go talking about Suzuki and Wilson Jr in appropriate threads, let's go back to the rally now ;)

[turves]

SS4 should start soon, please go talking about Suzuki and Wilson Jr in appropriate threads, let's go back to the rally now ;)

agreed. To spice things up we need Seb to lose a minute or so with a puncture... Its all a bit too settled at the moment.

[Whinlatter]

Just compare Wilson's developement to Atkinson..... Sordo......
Yeah - no trail of wrecked cars ..... I don't think he's crashed into a traffic island on a non-competitive section yet either....... ;)

[Miika]

but havng said that their choice of drivers for this year was a drama....and the fact that they are using whole events for testing shows they are not serious...

Lindholm is one of those funny guys who only know how to drive on stages they know by heart.....not a rally driver.....Having a has been cousin also helps in publicity.

OMG those are the funniest (or the most tragical?) lines I´ve read in a while. Great entertainment.

[Finni]

I don't honestly believe Wilson is another Burns, but he is approaching his rallying the same way - by the time he is as old as Wilks, he will be quicker than Wilks is now..

Developepent curve is not about age but experience. For instance 17 year old Novikov is excellent group N driver and would beat Wilson easely with the same machinery. Also Latvala is just 22 if I remember.

Don't even mention Wilks and Wilson in the same clause. With Wilson's experience Wilks was already one of the best jwrc-driver in the world. Wilson wouldn't have any chance to be among bests in any category.

[Tomi]

Quite good start from Latvala, in top 4 on all the stages so far.

[Buzz Lightyear]

maybe, but look at the 3rd and 4th splits on ss3, he only lost 0.4 seconds to Mikko, the same as Latvala. Everyone else was slower. There is hope there, and although he hasn't set the world on fire, maybe we shouldn't write him off just yet!

i wrote him off two years ago. he has yet to prove me otherwise. the "drifting fog" might explain the splits, as Jari was maybe 5 quicker than even loeb on the same set of split you are talking about.

maybe matthew has brake problems...

...on a downhill section... :laugh:

[Tom206wrc]

Please can someone tell me what happened to Dani Sola who seems not to have finished SS3 ??? :(

[turves]

i wrote him off two years ago. he has yet to prove me otherwise. the "drifting fog" might explain the splits, as Jari was maybe 5 quicker than even loeb on the same set of split you are talking about.

maybe matthew has brake problems...

...on a downhill section... :laugh:

Yeh, maybe.

Anyway, back to business. Looks like Marcus may be getting in car split times again?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mark James (markrally) on Globecast (Rally Radio) at the mo :D www.0157.org (http://www.0157.org)

Whats this?

[GigiGalliNo1]

hey so they are just broadcasting too.... must be costing them a fortune?

[GigiGalliNo1]

hey so if Marcus even comes 2nd and Loeb 3rd.... would marcus still win the champs?

[jonkka]

hey so if Marcus even comes 2nd and Loeb 3rd.... would marcus still win the champs?

What's the points difference between them?

[Finni]

hey so if Marcus even comes 2nd and Loeb 3rd.... would marcus still win the champs?

Ü drunk?

[GigiGalliNo1]

no i was just asking, forums are also to ask questions, as its nearly midnight and I have to go to work, i dont want to look at the points and figure it out myself, where someone nice enough would be great to just tell me? :) :)

Not sure Jonkka

[jonkka]

no i was just asking, forums are also to ask questions, as its nearly midnight and I have to go to work, i dont want to look at the points and figure it out myself, where someone nice enough would be great to just tell me? :) :)

Not sure Jonkka

See my previous post about it:
http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/showpost.php?p=391904&postcount=140

[A.F.F.]

I wasn't on this website when Richard Burns started his WRC career, but I'm sure he would have been slagged off by some of you guys for being slow - fact is, he went about learning the events in a methodical way, got to grips with the car, the different nature of the rallies and gradually increased his pace, with very few expensive accidents - then when he was capable of winning events, he upped his pace and went for it.

I don't honestly believe Wilson is another Burns, but he is approaching his rallying the same way - by the time he is as old as Wilks, he will be quicker than Wilks is now.... I suspect there is just some frustration from people that he is in a 'works' seat because of his father, while faster drivers like Galli and Gardemeister are sitting at home watching - but this does not make him a **** driver - if he had stayed in the UK doing BRC I would not expect him to be far behind Higgins and Wilks now, and look how much more experience they have......

Hope they get the Suzuki fixed for Superrally - I want to see it in Epynt tomorrow! :(


Richard got his share slagging. I may have delivered a fair amount of it just by myself. But I have to agree with NOT. Even I cannot compare Burns and Wilson. It seem out of this world kinda thing.

[A.F.F.]

hey so if Marcus even comes 2nd and Loeb 3rd.... would marcus still win the champs?

Jeez.....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Thanks Jonkka, so either way, if Loeb is 3rd and Marcus 2nd, Marcus wins? weee SOrry its just late and i tried reading the wholllle thread :p

[GigiGalliNo1]

Jeez what? Everyone has a problem with me asking? SOrry!!

[jonkka]

Thanks Jonkka, so either way, if Loeb is 3rd and Marcus 2nd, Marcus wins? weee SOrry its just late and i tried reading the wholllle thread :p

If Loeb is higher than 6th, he is champ no matter what Marcus does.

[A.F.F.]

Thanks Jonkka, so either way, if Loeb is 3rd and Marcus 2nd, Marcus wins? weee SOrry its just late and i tried reading the wholllle thread :p

How about just checking the point situation BEFORE rally GB and make a caluculation of your own, Matt ?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ouch! Ok thanks jonkka! hey everyone enjoy the rally, off to work for an hour then to sleepp, best of luck to gronholm. :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

how about its a simple question and its 12am here and i'm going to work... hrmmm let me see, i don't want to check everything right now. :p

[Whinlatter]

Accident with late running crew on SS1 has injured two spectators - hopefully not seriously. Stage start for SS5 will also be delayed 10 mins.

Glad my views on Wilson have given everyone a good laugh! :D For my next trick I will attempt the impossible and suggest that Subaru can win a rally with that p.o.s. that Petter and Atko are dragging around......

[Roy]

The Subaru team found something. They go faster then Latvala. with this standing. Subary picked 3rd place in manu Championship.

[A.F.F.]

Glad my views on Wilson have given everyone a good laugh! :D For my next trick I will attempt the impossible and suggest that Subaru can win a rally with that p.o.s. that Petter and Atko are dragging around......


No no no... you have to aim higher than that. I tried to make Paasonen a champion. Somebody even tried Loix ;)

[Mauri A]

The Subaru team found something. They go faster then Latvala. with this standing. Subary picked 3rd place in manu Championship.
According to BFG Latvala made the same as Timo Mäkinen in Ouninpohja decades ago. Drove to the finish with bonnet open!

[Brother John]

Accident with late running crew on SS1 has injured two spectators - hopefully not seriously. Stage start for SS5 will also be delayed 10 mins.

Glad my views on Wilson have given everyone a good laugh! :D For my next trick I will attempt the impossible and suggest that Subaru can win a rally with that p.o.s. that Petter and Atko are dragging around......

When I say that, nobody is to laugh! ;)

It takes time for some people to see what´s going on! :rotflmao:

[1LM1]

Sordo has been doing better since SS2.
He is fighting with Petter and Atkinson :up:

Is Hirvonen faster than Marcus today? Impressive!

Loeb rhythm has been perfect so far. :up:

[Tomi]

:D For my next trick I will attempt the impossible and suggest that Subaru can win a rally with that p.o.s. that Petter and Atko are dragging around......

nothing wrong with the car, they said long time ago that they did solve the problem.

[Whinlatter]

nothing wrong with the car......
....that couldn't be solved by dropping it out of a plane into the ocean. ;)

[Brother John]

nothing wrong with the car, they said long time ago that they did solve the problem.

So it is the drivers??????????????? :eek:

[Tomi]

So it is the drivers??????????????? :eek:

not the drivers fault, the roads are just too difficult for them.

[Roy]

According to BFG Latvala made the same as Timo Mäkinen in Ouninpohja decades ago. Drove to the finish with bonnet open!

Like martin in Acropolis.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/RoyTim/Ford%20Rallye/2003/2003_Martin_06Acr_01.jpg?t=1196435310

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb is on SS5 :)

[Brother John]

not the drivers fault, the roads are just too difficult for them.

Thanks for the info. :rotflmao: thank god it´s friday. :beer:

[Tomi]

Thanks for the info. :rotflmao: thank god it´s friday. :beer:
did jack arrive allready?

[jonkka]

Is Mikko slowing down?

[Magnus]

13,20,9 for bosse and loeb on ss5

[jonkka]

Henning definitely is :eek:

[Brother John]

did jack arrive allready?

Regular beer, jack is for later when Loeb has problems. ;) :s mokin:

[A.F.F.]

Henning definitely is :eek:

Don't take down the banners yet jonkka. SS 3 looked the same and yet henning won it by over 9 minutes :up:

[jonkka]

And Atkinson too...

[jonkka]

Don't take down the banners yet jonkka. SS 3 looked the same and yet henning won it by over 9 minutes :up:

Ah yes, it's the zen thing, art of going very fast by going very slow?

[MartijnS]

Just got a message from my brother who's there for Dutch television. It's raining incredibly hard. He has never seen something like that before. It's raining harder than the water comes out of our shower.. :D

[jonkka]

Brave men take the spoils in such conditions... Reminds me of Gardemeister on final televised stage of 1999 Rally Finland...

[MikeD]

As it is at the moment, Subaru has claimed back the 3rd place in the Manu championship by 1 point. Should they finish equal on points, Subaru will still be 3rd overall due the the second place scored in Portugal.

[Mauri A]

Just got a message from my brother who's there for Dutch television. It's raining incredibly hard. He has never seen something like that before. It's raining harder than the water comes out of our shower.. :D
It should be snowing!!!

[jonkka]

It should be snowing!!!

It's the global warming, weather just isn't the same anymore... Even Monte is snowless these days... -sob- as in -snif-

[Tom206wrc]

Are Henning and Chris victims of the weather on SS5 ??? :confused:

[René]

Are Henning and Chris victims of the weather on SS5 ??? :confused:

And the bad weather was stoped for Latvala ? :p

[Mauri A]

It's the global warming, weather just isn't the same anymore... Even Monte is snowless these days... -sob- as in -snif-
Same feelings, I have "warm" and snowy memoirs from 1971 RAC when some stages were cancelled due to snow. Unfortunately I had to retire because bent wheels as the service crew was stuck in snow.

[Whinlatter]

Very good time from Ostberg - 7th fastest!

Resolven is a horrible stage if the weather is bad, lots of open moorland across the top of the hill....

[Wim_Impreza]

Congratulations for your birthday, Mauri!

[ZequeArgentina]

Congratulations for your birthday, Mauri!

Today´s our bithday Mauri??
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

you just need Loeb off the road to cheer !!

[Tomi]

Onneksi olkoon Mauri :)

[ZequeArgentina]

NO, NO ,NO!!!
Pozzo seems not to have finish SS5.
Bye bye title, Arai world champ............................................. ..............

[CABAIO E'LONA]

some problem for Pozzo? Not listed in the split times... :(

[ProRally]

What happend to Pozzo ?

[Whinlatter]

Fantastic time for Wilks - takes half a minute off Higgins. Evans also very quick in the other 'works' Mitsi....

[pucky54]

Are the WRC drivers from the Netherlands driving with tarmac suspension and tyres? How slow can you be with a WRC?

[1LM1]

Fantastic time for Wilks - takes half a minute off Higgins. Evans also very quick in the other 'works' Mitsi....


True, Wilks deserves a contract with Suzuki for next year. He is one of the most promising drivers.

[Wim_Impreza]

NO, NO ,NO!!!
Pozzo seems not to have finish SS5.
Bye bye title, Arai world champ............................................. ..............

Oh no, this is by far the most dramatical year ever. :(

[Wim_Impreza]

True, Wilks deserves a contract with Suzuki for next year. He is one of the most promising drivers.

If I was him, I should drive with a private Focus WRC next year. That is much better than that slow and crap Suzuki.

[jonkka]

It looks like Marcus is letting Mikko to win, counting on team orders and/or Mikko's courtesy if unlikely need to take the win would arise...

[Mauri A]

Congratulations for your birthday, Mauri!
Two days ago, but thanks anyway!

[White Sauron]

It looks like Marcus is letting Mikko to win, counting on team orders and/or Mikko's courtesy if unlikely need to take the win would arise...

Marcus doesn't necessarily needs to win to take the title in case Loeb retires... He can come second to.

[White Sauron]

Atn the moment it doesn't look like Stobart will be 3rd in the champ((

[Langdale Forest]

Has H Solberg got problems?

[White Sauron]

Has H Solberg got problems?

Seems like he stopped on the stage.

[N.O.T]

Conditions must be terrible in ss6..... Loeb Losing too much to Hirvonen and Latvala also.....

[N.O.T]

Gronholm Takes 15 seconds from Loeb.....and Hirvonen 30....

[jonkka]

Gronholm Takes 15 seconds from Loeb.....and Hirvonen 30....

Actually, he gained one second or so

EDIT: You did strategic edit (or massive misread from me)

[N.O.T]

latvlala might lose his place on this one.......

[N.O.T]

Actually, he gained one second or so

yes ....didn't manage to save it in time :)

[Langdale Forest]

H Solberg stopped in stage.

[Mauri A]

What´s happening down there, snowstorm?

[N.O.T]

Seems so...Latvala loses his place to Solberg...if the trend continues.....

[1LM1]

Loeb with no lights in the night and the fog. Amazing.

[N.O.T]

Latvala loses almost 2mins to Solberg....and he didn;t reach the finish yet!!!!!

[jonkka]

Loeb with no lights in the night and the fog. Amazing.

Say what? Indeed that man is a robot! :eek:

[N.O.T]

Sébastien Loeb
Citroen "We had a problem with the fog lights, we had to use the normal lights at some stage we had to stop everything and use no lights."

Daniel Sordo
Citroen "Very good experience, but the conditions are terrible. I am learning in these conditions."

Petter Solberg
Subaru "It is very difficult, but fun. We broke a damper and it is very difficult to drive the car."

[xavier]

It looks like Marcus is letting Mikko to win, counting on team orders and/or Mikko's courtesy if unlikely need to take the win would arise...

I had wished Marcus would win. But i guess he does not want to end his career with 3 DNF... So he is taking it easy.

As expected it's not possible that Seb finish less than 5th except if he has trouble. So a 2nd place is enough for Marcus and he does not need to push.. Both him and Seb will just cruise to the finish.

With JML problem on SS6, Seb can lose 2 minutes and still be 5th (assuming Sordo would drop behind him if needed, so basicaly he needs to be faster than Wilson, can he do that?)

[John V]

Say what? Indeed that man is a robot! :eek:
No, just must have really good pacenotes! :)

[Micke_VOC]

The fact that Latvala and Atkin loose a lot of time is realy bad for ford, the need to be before loeb....

[I am evil Homer]

Quite some drive without lights!

[N.O.T]

Latvalas splits stopped.....

[SubaruNorway]

Has H Solberg got problems?

Windsreen is misting up, just as good to retire now as he's already lost 8min on the stage

[jonkka]

No, just must have really good pacenotes! :)

Pacenotes do not make a blind guy to see again.

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala stopped in the stage.
What has happend to Stohl?

[N.O.T]

No finish time fr JM....

[jonkka]

A pity for JML, I was hoping another Ford 1-2-3 for this season just to have some fun...

[Langdale Forest]

Atkinson finished the stage.

[White Sauron]

In these VERY difficult conditions (reminds me first day of rally Turkey last year) Mikko Hirvonen is showing what he is really capable of!!!

[Wim_Impreza]

Two days ago, but thanks anyway!

In your profile stays November, the 30th. ;)

[jonkka]

In your profile stays November, the 30th. ;)

So it does and that's odd, there is no birthday cake?! :eek:
Something wrong with the forum software?

[pettersolberg29]

latvalas still going!

[N.O.T]

The way things go all the crews have nothing to fight for for the next 2 days.....

[jonkka]

Incidentally, Atkinson turns 28 today!

[Langdale Forest]

The Munchi cars are also having probllems.

[A.F.F.]

I can't wait to see the footage from today....

[N.O.T]

Manfred Stohl
Citroen "It is unbeliebable, rain, fog, everything. It is really exciting. Anyone who finishes should be really happy."

Petter Solberg
Subaru "It is very difficult, but fun. We broke a damper and it is very difficult to drive the car."

Chris Atkinson
Subaru "We had a problem with the windscreen misting over. We had to slow down and I opened a window, which helped a bit."

Jan Kopecky
Skoda "There were some places were we couldn't see anything. It was very difficult."

[John V]

Say what? Indeed that man is a robot! :eek:


Pacenotes do not make a blind guy to see again.

But he didn't lost lights completely, so must have enough of selfconfidence. Anyway, very hard situation, it happened to me as well during heavy snow on night stage in 1996 ...

[Brother John]

Conditions must be terrible in ss6..... Loeb Losing too much to Hirvonen and Latvala also.....

In the classic Safari they start on day 5 at the moment on terrible roads and they keep on going with real rally cars! :p

[jonkka]

I can't wait to see the footage from today....

It's the final stage and can't make into today's broadcasts... they'll show stages 1-2-3 over and over again...

[jonkka]

The right thing to do would be nullification of this stage from the results.

[A.F.F.]

It's the final stage and can't make into today's broadcasts... they'll show stages 1-2-3 over and over again...


I'm aiming for Eurosport at 1.30 am.

[xavier]

The right thing to do would be nullification of this stage from the results.

Why is that?

[Langdale Forest]

Guy Wilks is going fast.

[jonkka]

I'm aiming for Eurosport at 1.30 am.

Ah, I see... a bright move...

[jonkka]

Why is that?

Force majeure, act of God, whatever. Conditions simply aren't even.

[Langdale Forest]

Villagra stopped in atage.

[Brother John]

Force majeure, act of God, whatever. Conditions simply aren't even.

That is b*llsh!t. It´s just a part off ralying.

[Mauri A]

In your profile stays November, the 30th. ;)
Who in bh has made my profile? It might be myself after a a bottle of Sisuviina!

[Corny]

Matthew Wilson in sixth? That's not too bad!

[Micke_VOC]

Why did Latvala not retired instead.. loose over 16 minutes, or is any super rally rules for the last stage of the day ?

[I am evil Homer]

Matthew Wilson in sixth? That's not too bad!

He's got talent but his massive crash a few years back really dented his confidence - I think it's taken him a long time to get over that and start to perform closer to his potential.

[SubaruNorway]

Why did Latvala not retired instead.. loose over 16 minutes, or is any super rally rules for the last stage of the day ?

He is going to, got a message in the display to superrally, but i thought they scraped the 10min penalty anyone know?

[ProRally]

Why did Latvala not retired instead.. loose over 16 minutes, or is any super rally rules for the last stage of the day ?
He will retire, apparantly he and Henning did not hand in their timecard at end of stage, it just needs to go through the system. Yep 10min penalty in Superrally is better than 16+min lost in stage...

[Whinlatter]

Gwyndaf Evans, 7th fastest overall in the Group N Mitsi..... absolutely brilliant! Shows what an old head with lots of experience can do when the going gets tough. Go Gwyndaf Go!!

[Whinlatter]

And Stuart Jones posts a top 10 time in the S2000 MG - the fog's obviously lifted! :D

[Micke_VOC]

And Pastrana fifth i n4.... not so unspected, that man has proved more than one time before that he is really crazy =)

[White Sauron]

Oh God... Fvcking Novikov is 10th overall on SS6(((

[Mirek]

White Sauron: Why are You so vulgar about him?

[Whinlatter]

Right - that's me off to get my cameras and wet weather gear sorted for tomorrow :) I'll be back to post some of my photos on Sunday.

[ste898]

How can this be the highest pinacle of rallying 6 syages....pathetic whats saturday 3 more stages repeasted wow what a challenge!!!!!

[SubaruNorway]

Here is the reason why Mads Østberg lost so much time on ss6.

He cought up with Villagra earlie on the stage and he woulden't let Østberg past then he finaly got past and then Villagra stayed on his tail with full lights on and made it even worse with the misted windscreen, then Villagra flashed his lights to get past again and Østberg thought it was Mikkelsen and let the car past but it turned out to be Villagra again. If it hadn't been for Villagra's behaviour Østberg could still be fighting for the top 8

http://www.norsk-rally.com/modules/module_123/proxy.aspx?D=2&C=2&I=5060

[White Sauron]

Mates, please help. If you have some photos of #42 (Vertunov\Troshkin), send me or give a link, please! Thanks in advance!
From me - photos from the MAN russia team before the Dakar ;) coming soon in december.

[Paul.G]

So looks like Wilson has given both the Ford boys a green light with Hirvonen setting some cracking times, probably only call orders if Loeb has problems?
Top three are already well over a minute ahead of the rest.......Lobe just has to stick it in 6th and cruise.
Pity about Solberg and Latvala.
Oh well early to bed and early to rise 4.30 alarm call any one????

[A.F.F.]

So looks like Wilson has given both the Ford boys a green light with Hirvonen setting some cracking times, probably only call orders if Loeb has problems?
Top three are already well over a minute ahead of the rest.......Lobe just has to stick it in 6th and cruise.
Pity about Solberg and Latvala.
Oh well early to bed and early to rise 4.30 alarm call any one????

:wave: To me please. I can fix my pillow and fall asleep again :)

[Micke_VOC]

Here is the reason why Mads Østberg lost so much time on ss6.

He cought up with Villagra earlie on the stage and he woulden't let Østberg past then he finaly got past and then Villagra stayed on his tail with full lights on and made it even worse with the misted windscreen, then Villagra flashed his lights to get past again and Østberg thought it was Mikkelsen and let the car past but it turned out to be Villagra again. If it hadn't been for Villagra's behaviour Østberg could still be fighting for the top 8

http://www.norsk-rally.com/modules/module_123/proxy.aspx?D=2&C=2&I=5060

Bad for Mads, hope to see him drive hard tommorrow and show his talent and speed. ( i saw that last year when i was in Wales, crazy attack without wing and back hatch)

[COD]

Didn't Hanninen do WRGB last year in the C2 S1600 & win the class.. :confused:

Sorry, you are right. Still, his experience on Welsh roads hardly match what Higgins has?

[pantealex]

Sorry my mistake !! Michal Kosziusko is running in the Fiat Grande Punto S2000, not Michal Solowow :mark:
They are both running with Fiat Abarth Grande Punto S2000

[COD]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Lindholm had brake problems on SS1, then again at SS3 which caused him to retire. Will be back for superrally though

[N.O.T]

Will be back for superrally though

Great !!!! hope the organisers have a calendar with them.....

[noel157]

A funny (or silly) thought occured to me when watching the SX4 on tonight's Eurosport report- do you think the Suzuki board know anything about the WRC project? Perhaps they think Monster is just messing about building another couple of Pikes Peak hillclimb cars in his spare time............

Seriously, if the report that Michel Nandan claims there is no money to test is true there's little hope for the team.

[bt52b]

^Bit like Skoda :(

[bf1_IRL]

Sorry, you are right. Still, his experience on Welsh roads hardly match what Higgins has?

True, this is practically the Higgins' back yard..

[Magnus]

If it is true what they say abt Villagra, they i certainly hope he gets what he deserves. It is an unbeliavable behaviour!

[N.O.T]

If it is true what they say abt Villagra, they i certainly hope he gets what he deserves. It is an unbeliavable behaviour!

what do they say ??

[Magnus]

what do they say ??

That he only listens to mainstream rnb and that he believs global warming is a hoax since it snowed yesterday on Greenland.
Otherwise you can always look at the post of subarunorway1
:)

[N.O.T]

That he only listens to mainstream rnb


PUT HIM IN JAIL...NEVER TOT SEE THE LIGHT AGAIN !!!!!

[Halvard]

N.O.T .... what does it mean. It`s short for something??

[Wim_Impreza]

Good morning everyone.

10 minutes before SS1.

[SubaruNorway]

N.O.T .... what does it mean. It`s short for something??

They are just messing around RNB (music) Magnus was refering to this
http://www.norsk-rally.com/modules/module_123/proxy.aspx?D=2&C=2&I=5060

[N.O.T]

N.O.T .... what does it mean. It`s short for something??

rythm and blues......i think

[N.O.T]

stage started....

[Halvard]

I meant you`re name N.O.T..

[Magnus]

I meant you`re name N.O.T..
lol! I thought you meant rnb to!
:D

[N.O.T]

I meant you`re name N.O.T..

nothing of importance...

[A.F.F.]

nothing of importance...

aka Mr.Mousefart.

Good morning all. Latvala setting the pace for late runners.

Does anyone know how is the weather today at Wales ?

[Halvard]

nothing of importance...

I don`t belive that. Maybe non of my business, but of some importance. Otherwise you would have told me..... or?

[N.O.T]

aka Mr.Mousefart.

Good day to you sir...

[White Sauron]

Strange and pity to see Kopecky that slow...

[Halvard]

Østberg faster than both Atkinson and Stohl on split 1. Too bad he lost 3 min

[A.F.F.]

Good day to you sir...

And good day to you too Greg.

[Wim_Impreza]

Strange and pity to see Kopecky that slow...

He has problems. :(

[Brother John]

Good morning all.

Mikkelsen doing very well I.M.O. :up:

[A.F.F.]

Subaru and BFG sites seem to be very slow with stage results.. Any other suggestions ??

[Brother John]

1 split Petter ????????? :confused:

[Wim_Impreza]

Subaru and BFG sites seem to be very slow with stage results.. Any other suggestions ??

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=32

[White Sauron]

Subaru and BFG sites seem to be very slow with stage results.. Any other suggestions ??

Can smb give the link to the results on czech site http://www.ewrc.cz?

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like Petter had a spin

[Brother John]

Subaru and BFG sites seem to be very slow with stage results.. Any other suggestions ??

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=16&stage=7&results=1

[White Sauron]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=32

Thanks) You read my mind)

[A.F.F.]

Thanks Wim, thanks Frodo :)

[Langdale Forest]

Problems for Solberg.

[SubaruNorway]

Can smb give the link to the results on czech site http://www.ewrc.cz?

It's writen in english on the top left ;)

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php

[A.F.F.]

Latvala heading to top time :eek:

[Wim_Impreza]

Thanks) You read my mind)

Yes. ;)

[White Sauron]

LOEB?!!!! Impossible is possible?!!!!

Edit: just sick split...(((

[Corny]

no split for Sebastien..

[A.F.F.]

No split for Loeb :eek:

My heart, my heart, my heart......

[Corny]

LOEB?!!!! Impossible is possible?!!!!

indeed, impossible ;)

[A.F.F.]

Splits again for Loeb.

My heart, my heart, my heart...

:mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

Loeb had no real mechanical problem since Sweden 2005, 34 months ago. Is it there? :)

[Corny]

My heart, my heart, my heart...

Not only yours ;)

[bt52b]

aka Mr.Mousefart.



Does anyone know how is the weather today at Wales ?


Rain promised. Probably getting worse on Sunday. Big low pressure (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/pressure/)heading that way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=3311

[Magnus]

Loeb had i japan...but it was of no importance. Sordo has had a whole lot of them though.

[White Sauron]

Mikko, Mikko, don't give away your lead...

[Wim_Impreza]

Loeb had i japan...but it was of no importance. Sordo has had a whole lot of them though.

I know, he had that problem when he was far out the points.

[Magnus]

Looks like bosse will have a stagewin alnyway

[Wim_Impreza]

Looks like bosse will have a stagewin alnyway

No, Latvala is 4.4 seconds faster.

[Wim_Impreza]

Loeb is still there, +10.5 seconds in this stage.

[Magnus]

****, got to change my lenses

[A.F.F.]

Rain promised. Probably getting worse on Sunday. Big low pressure (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/coast/pressure/)heading that way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=3311

Cheers bt52b :up:

[A.F.F.]

Stage 8 should be on and running.

[Josti]

Let's hope it won't lead to any stage cancelations. But seeing yesterdays footage, I doubt they'll do that.

[A.F.F.]

Anyone taking bets that Latvala will catch Wilson in this rally ?? ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Pons lost alot of time on split 3.

[Wim_Impreza]

The Dutch champion 2007, Mark van Eldik in the Subaru Impreza WRC, stays after 7 stages 30 minutes behind the leader...

[A.F.F.]

Juho Hänninen fastest group-N driver so far on stage 7.

[Wim_Impreza]

Anyone taking bets that Latvala will catch Wilson in this rally ?? ;)

For sure Latvala can. ;)

[Josti]

The Dutch champion 2007, Mark van Eldik in the Subaru Impreza WRC, stays after 7 stages 30 minutes behind the leader...

Ice breaking news?

[Brother John]

Anyone taking bets that Latvala will catch Wilson in this rally ?? ;)

Oke, for what will we bet! :D

[A.F.F.]

Oke, for what will we bet! :D

For 1 000 000 euros :up:

[A.F.F.]

Is anyone else than Latvala actually pushing anymore ??? :confused: It feels like everybody on stages are just watching others and minimizing risks.

[pino]

I am among those who want Marcus to win the title, but I don't wish Loeb to go off road, somenthing with the car insted of ;)

[Brother John]

For 1 000 000 euros :up:

Do you have so much! I not. :p : ;)

[Josti]

Grönholm and Loeb have no reason to push. Mikko has a lead, the rest is just slower as always.

[A.F.F.]

Do you have so much! I not. :p : ;)

Sure. I have that kind of cash. It's because everything here in Finland is very cheap and the wages are huge. Also, our taxrate must be the smallest in the world.

[Brother John]

What about the Suzuki today?

[Brother John]

Sure. I have that kind of cash. It's because everything here in Finland is very cheap and the wages are huge. Also, our taxrate must be the smallest in the world.

Oke you win. We will talk about that at NORF. :D

[A.F.F.]

Oke you win. We will talk about that at NORF. :D

By the river of Jack :up: