Rally GB 2007 - official thread

[N.O.T]

And a few more to come.

Yes that a common strategy for finish people mention 100 hopeful names and only 1 or 2 deserve it.....the others get deleted like sad dogs.....

[pino]

Isn't it a bit unfair to wish bad luck for the best driver of the season ??? I mean i don't think there is anybody to believe that he doesn't deserve it.....

I agree, at this stage I really hope Loeb finish and win the title, none deserve it more :up:

[Tom206wrc]

GPS down for Basti Lindholm also ?? :confused:

[Helstar]

Isn't it a bit unfair to wish bad luck for the best driver of the season ??? I mean i don't think there is anybody to believe that he doesn't deserve it.....
Hey just joking ;p

But afterall, come on, he is going to win next 5 championships probably (if not even more....), if he lets Marcus to get this one so Bosse leaves WRC happy, it's good for all I guess :>

[Tomi]

Yes that a common strategy for finish people mention 100 hopeful names and only 1 or 2 deserve it.....the others get deleted like sad dogs.....

well, normally 1-2 of 10 potential drivers makes it to the top, its the same everywhere.

[Tom206wrc]

Last stage running ;)


GO LOEB GO toward your title !!! :bounce:

[N.O.T]

the final stage of the season is on !!!

[Mirek]

Tom: Jones didn't start today, his co-driver was injured yesterday...

[Wim_Impreza]

Östberg is kicking asses of official Subaru drivers (Pins and Atko). I think that Östberg's old Subaru (isn't it 2004 or 2005?) is better than current one.

It is a 2004 Subaru. ;)

[Magnus]

Last stage of the year. What will I do til´ MC?
Hmm...

[Tom206wrc]

]Tom: Jones didn't start today, his co-driver was injured yesterday...




How comes he's in the superrally list instead of retirement then ?? :confused:


Anyway I wish a speedy recovery to his codriver...

[Finni]

It is a 2004 Subaru. ;)

I am quite seriously thinking that Petter wouldn't be 3 min. off from leading if he was driving Östberg's Subaru.

[Tom206wrc]

Will Latvala reach the top 10 position ?? ;)

[Helstar]

Last stage of the year. What will I do til´ MC?
Hmm...
I don't know about you but I will play Trackmania tournaments and see Achmed/Walter sketches over and over.... oh yes and listening to To-Mera, Diablo Swing Orchestra and Unexpect.

[Mauri A]

Yes that a common strategy for finish people mention 100 hopeful names and only 1 or 2 deserve it.....the others get deleted like sad dogs.....
So, now the old N.O.T. is in full speed again. For a moment I thought he´s getting old. To call Markku Alén "Neverbeen" and 98 young Finnish drivers "Sad Dogs" is an insult! I think he has been married with an ugly, mean and bad smelling Finnish woman, because that could explain his comments.

[Wim_Impreza]

I am quite seriously thinking that Petter wouldn't be 3 min. off from leading if he was driving Östberg's Subaru.

Yes, me too. But I also think in some rallies Solberg had a lack of motivation this year.

[Wim_Impreza]

Last stage of the year. What will I do til´ MC?
Hmm...

I'll watch 'Fawlty Towers' and 'Keeping Up Appearances'.

[Tomi]

Yes, me too. But I also think in some rallies Solberg had a lack of motivation this year.

Same here, i think he has problem in the head too.

[Finni]

Hänninen is tremendous in Brechfa stage. Both times he has been 20 seconds faster than the second fastest in group N.

[Finni]

Hänninen is tremendous in Brechfa stage. Both times he has been 20 seconds faster than the second fastest in group N.

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Gareth Jones again ??? :s

[Helstar]

Yes both stages and both posts Finni :)

[Wim_Impreza]

Harry Kleinjan (Fabia WRC) had an accident in SS15. Driver and codriver are ok.

[Helstar]

Uh there was another Fabia ? Cool. But last effort I think, right ? Next year no more for Kopecky too... pity this car never got the speed we all hoped.

[Tom206wrc]

Again GPS problem for Sordo ?? :confused:

[bennizw]

Well, last stage away, only around 15 minutes untill Loeb is champion for the forth time in a row... Damn.

[bt52b]

Great run by JML. Think he should be sponsored by JML (http://www.jmldirect.com/)

[Mauri A]

Now J-M needs 0,4 secs to pass Ostberg. Done!

[Langdale Forest]

Atkinson is slOW

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb fastest at first split.

[Wim_Impreza]

Uh there was another Fabia ? Cool. But last effort I think, right ? Next year no more for Kopecky too... pity this car never got the speed we all hoped.

Yes, he drives with a Fabia from Wevers Sport. He did also the German WRC round with this car and some Dutch rallies, with a 3th place in the last round of the Dutch championship. He also won his first event with the Fabia WRC, the 'Vechtdal Rallysprint'. Next year he will drive again this car.

[Tom206wrc]

So many drivers are slower than Henning, but I guess they are all cruising to finish line having nothing to gain now... :mark:

[Mauri A]

Loeb fastest at first split.
Not anymore.

[Finni]

Nice stage again by Östberg.

[Mirek]

We all here hope Fabia S2000 will be better than WRC. At least leading people in Skoda Motorsport were changed completely.

[Mauri A]

]We all here hope Fabia S2000 will be better than WRC. At least leading people in Skoda Motorsport were changed completely.
At last!

[SubaruNorway]

Nice stage again by Östberg.

Not nice enaugh lost by 1,5 to Latvala, now that sucks

[Helstar]

Goodbye also to Stohl :'

[White Sauron]

edited: no matter

[Magnus]

splits are slow...

[Magnus]

whats up with hirvonen + 12??? hope he is not trying to give anything away

[White Sauron]

Loeb!!!!

[Tomi]

lol, mikko is slowing down

[Tom206wrc]

Split missing for Seb :rolleyes:

[White Sauron]

lol, mikko is slowing down

Maybe because he was told on radio Loeb is having problems?

[Mauri A]

For Finns only!
Look at J-M´s final time, he´s the new Hakulinen!

[N.O.T]

GPS Problems for the champion......

[Tomi]

Maybe because he was told on radio Loeb is having problems?

no way

[piquet20]

loeb is ok.

[Wim_Impreza]

]We all here hope Fabia S2000 will be better than WRC. At least leading people in Skoda Motorsport were changed completely.

Is it already confirmed when the S2000 will drive his first rally?

[Tom206wrc]

Maybe a mistake(spin)for Mikko :confused:

[Mirek]

Wim_Impreza: No, Skoda is a master in bluffing... nothing sure until You can touch the car Yourself...

[muscrae]

+16.6 on split 3...

[Magnus]

hirvo small off aparantly.

[Tom206wrc]

Is it already confirmed when the S2000 will drive his first rally?



The Fabia won't be homologated before august 2008 :rolleyes:

[Mauri A]

lol, mikko is slowing down
A farewell present to Marcus?

[N.O.T]

1 split remaining....Gronholm is going to win the stage !!!!! nice ending...everyone gets what they deserve

[Helstar]

I think Mikko wants to give Bosse the last rally win..... maybe....

[MikeD]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LOEB IS CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 titles in a row. At least one title per year for Citroën since 2003.

Time to celebrate :D

Good bye to Gronholm. Thank for the good times.

[Magnus]

It wouldnt be right, an I certainly do not think that is the case.
Congrats to loeb!

[Langdale Forest]

LOEB 2007 WORLD RALLY chAMPION!

[bt52b]

The Fabia won't be homologated before august 2008 :rolleyes:

Maybe there will be new WRC/PWRC/S2000 regs by then ;)

[White Sauron]

Congrats, Seb... Sorry, Marcus...((

[N.O.T]

The champ finishes the stage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4th in a row !!!!!!!!!!!!

LEGEND !!!!!!!!!!

[bt52b]

^bump

[Wim_Impreza]

Thank you, Mirek

[Helstar]

I bet he will take 10 consecutive titles. I go to betonloebandyouwin.com and with 1 euro I win...... 1 euro xD (yes 1:1 lol)

[Josti]

Congrats to Loeb :)

Congrats to Grönholm :up:

[Tom206wrc]

CONGRATULATIONS to LOEB and Elena !!!! :bounce: :bounce:


Congratulations to Ford team who's got really excellent package car/drivers :up:

Congratulations to Bosse for having offered rally fans a great show since 1999/2000 :D

[N.O.T]

Marcus sounding a bit bitter......

[N.O.T]

By the way what will happen to Rautianen ??? I think he is too valuable to retire as well......

[White Sauron]

****ing Rally Ireland!!! I hate it!

[Josti]

By the way what will happen to Rautianen ??? I think he is too valuable to retire as well......

He´s retiring too.

[Woodeye]

Congrats to Sebastien and Daniel! Stunning performance during this season yet once again. :up:

And thank you Marcus and Timo!

[bt52b]

****ing Rally Ireland!!! I hate it!

Brillant rally :D

[Helstar]

****ing Rally Ireland!!! I hate it!
He lost in Japan. On tarmac an error was acceptable from Bosse (more or less eheh). He never liked tarmac rallies...
But on Japan he shouldn't have crashed. He'd be the champion by now, even with Ireland retire.

[Tomi]

Congrats to Loeb, and big thanks to Bosse and Timo.

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala won the last stage, Hirvonen won the rally and Loeb won the championship.

Will Loeb win the championship next year?

[Jaanus]

Congratulations for Sebastien and Daniel :up:
Also well done to Ford for having the best team this year and I really look forward to Monte 2008 allready.
And thank you Marcus and Timo, all the best to you in the future :)

[1LM1]

LOEB 2007 WORLD RALLY chAMPION!

Yes !!
Superb season from him once again.

And thanks for all Marcus :up:

[Corny]

he was so close, but just didn't made it with the Ford!

[N.O.T]

It was a good season overall......Loeb played a bit like the cat with the mouse but at the end he showed who is the true Boss.

[White Sauron]

It was a good season overall......Loeb played a bit like the cat with the mouse but at the end he showed who is the true Boss.

Bull****!! They are not cat and mouse, they are both wolves!!! But one turned out to have more luck...

[Langdale Forest]

Guy Wilks 2007 British Rally Champion.

[1LM1]

he was so close, but just didn't made it with the Ford!

True. That means he will be first remembered as a two time World Rally Champion with Peugeot in a distant future.

But he did great job with Ford too. Only Loeb has been a too high obstacle for the past two years.

[White Sauron]

True. That means he will be first remembered as a two time World Rally Champion with Peugeot in a distant future.

But he did great job with Ford too. Only Loeb has been a too high obstacle for the past two years.

I think in Ford he was even happier than in peugeot - at least the car was absolutely reliable for 1.5 years! In cotrast to Peugeot which either won or broke down. With the Focus Bosse was constantly fighting for wins and even set a record streak of points finishes!

[SubaruNorway]

So three 2nd places for Higgins ? ITRC, BRC and PWRC

[Tomi]

Guy Wilks 2007 British Rally Champion.

Congrats to him too, i hope he can arrange good drives for him self like he did this year too.

[Mirek]

White Sauron: Both crashed twice... if there was something realy stupid, it was Portugal window story.

[N.O.T]

Bull****!! They are not cat and mouse, they are both wolves!!! But one turned out to have more luck...

Your tears of envy taste like sweet nectar :D :D :D

Anyone who thought that Gronholm had a chance at the championship after Japan was not good with his head......

[Langdale Forest]

How many points did portugal cost gronholm?

[1LM1]

I think in Ford he was even happier than in peugeot - at least the car was absolutely reliable for 1.5 years! In cotrast to Peugeot which either won or broke down. With the Focus Bosse was constantly fighting for wins and even set a record streak of points finishes!

I read him saying in a recent interview that his most favorite car was and will always be the 206 WRC because the pleasure he took with it was incredible and unmatched. he said that the pleasure with the Ford has been different because the handling of the car was different.

And don't forget that 2002 was his absolute perfect season. This year, the car was as reliable as the Ford and even more dominant over the competition.

And 2000 was special because it was his first title and the first full season of the car!

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Congratulations to Sebastien Loëb and Daniel Elena !!

[Mirek]

Solá 25th on stage 16. He defeated half of PWRC :D nice in the muddy conditions with 2WD, 2 minutes infront of second 2WD...

[dimviii]

Congrats to Seb and Helena
congrats to Bosse and Timo for beeing in rallies last 10 years

in how many hours start 08 Monte? :p :

[Kamikaze]

Anyone who thought that Gronholm had a chance at the championship after Japan was not good with his head......

I think the only one who is not good in his Head is you, Mr. Mousefart !

[MikeD]

How many points did portugal cost gronholm?

3 points

[Langdale Forest]

Gronholm also had that incident with a cow on the last stage in Germany.

[Corny]

Marcus lost out the championship on tarmac, not weird; Loeb's got a 100% asphalt score since the beginning of 2005!

[1LM1]

Gronholm also had that incident with a cow on the last stage in Germany.



Loeb also had that incident with a co-driver on a stage in Japan :D

[Langdale Forest]

But Loeb's last gravel win was Argentina back in May.

[1LM1]

But Loeb's last gravel win was Argentina back in May.

True but can't NZ be considered as a Loeb's win too?

[Finni]

Marcus lost out the championship on tarmac, not weird; Loeb's got a 100% asphalt score since the beginning of 2005!

Just right. Asphalt was the key. Actually Marcus had two dnf's against Loeb's three so it was not down to reliability.

[N.O.T]

Ok time for me to sit back and enjoy at the excuses.....

[White Sauron]

True but can't NZ be considered as a Loeb's win too?

No, it was Gronholm's brilliant victory.

Anyway, both are great champions. The quantity of titles doesn't count. What makes diffrence is that both are just great. Hope, Mikko can continue next year like in GB. He was dominant on last two gravel rallies and also quite stong on asphalt - much stronger than Gronholm in his early ages.

[pentti]

Just got back from sunny Wales. Latvala's problem on stage 6 was broken windsceen wiper mechanism. He had to stop 5 times to clear the screen. Also Wilson had the very same fault just after that stage. Mathew did a big test before this rally with Mikko. Mikko took him as a passanger and vice versa.And it showed. But think about this. Without penalties Jari-Matti would have won the whole rally!!!

[N.O.T]

He was dominant on last two gravel rallies and also quite stong on asphalt - much stronger than Gronholm in his early ages.

Keep believing that....

Next year is going to be very very amusing for me......

[Simmi]

Anyone know what happened to Companc in the end?

[Tom206wrc]

]Solá 25th on stage 16. He defeated half of PWRC :D nice in the muddy conditions with 2WD, 2 minutes infront of second 2WD...



If only he drove the Twister Corse/Enjolras 207 S2000 like in Corsica :(

[bt52b]

He lost in Japan. On tarmac an error was acceptable from Bosse (more or less eheh). He never liked tarmac rallies...
But on Japan he shouldn't have crashed. He'd be the champion by now, even with Ireland retire.

Mikko & JML are worse on tarmac. They need to do alot better on that surface.

[spudrsca]

Mikko & JML are worse on tarmac. They need to do alot better on that surface.

yes but in the gravel rallies, they will take many points. The Ford I think is a better car than Citroën with their great suspension.

[bt52b]

Just got back from sunny Wales. Latvala's problem on stage 6 was broken windsceen wiper mechanism. He had to stop 5 times to clear the screen. Also Wilson had the very same fault just after that stage. Mathew did a big test before this rally with Mikko. Mikko took him as a passanger and vice versa.And it showed. But think about this. Without penalties Jari-Matti would have won the whole rally!!!

Jari did a brillant rally. Bit embarssing to have countless wiper and demisting failures on so many £500k car.

Finish live on RallyFM in few mins

[Salist]

Thank you for it Marcus the wonderful moments. We hope for it see again yet a few times on the world championship! Another many successes in the life.

[Salist]

Thank you for it Marcus and Timo the wonderful moments. We hope for it see again yet a few times on the world championship! Another many successes in the life.

[bt52b]

yes but in the gravel rallies, they will take many points. The Ford I think is a better car than Citroën with their great suspension.

No much against Loeb, and Sordo is getting better on gravel.

[Salist]

Congratulate Mikko and Jarmo to the victory. We meet in Sweden next year.

[c4]

Anyone know what happened to Companc in the end?

Crashed at finish ss14, damaged drivers side and roll cage. States dosen't know what he hit, a tree or logs. Would use super rally to be classified.

[1LM1]

yes but in the gravel rallies, they will take many points. The Ford I think is a better car than Citroën with their great suspension.

On tarmac, the Citroen is SLIGHTLY better. On gravel, the Ford is SLIGHTLY better (remember NZ). The two cars are very close to top level.

At the beginning of the seaon, the Citroen was slightly better than the Ford on gravel too but Ford improved the car enough to reverse that from Greece.

The trouble for Citroën could be that Latvala's potentiel is higher than Sordo's. I thought that both potentials were equal or almost equal. After, this rally, I am not so sure. Latvala is better than I thought and I expected a little more from Sordo without the fog.

[1LM1]

There is another thing: Let's face it, Sordo is not able to go flat out in the fog. That seems normal to me.

Hirvonen and Loeb especially are very fast in the fog. They trust the notes 100 %. Are they machine?

[Woodeye]

Keep believing that....

Next year is going to be very very amusing for me......

How's that? Is there a Greek driver entering the series?

[Roy]

How's that? Is there a Greek driver entering the series?

Vovos? :\

[Tomi]

How's that? Is there a Greek driver entering the series?

they better stick to fitting boots on sheep.

[Woodeye]

they better stick to fitting boots on sheep.

They have sheep nowdays? I though they had only goats...

[SubaruNorway]

How's that? Is there a Greek driver entering the series?
Munchis has a avaliable car for 7 events?

[Woodeye]

I was just being sarcastic. There's no way that a Greek would be driving in WRC in a top team.

[Brother John]

Congratulations for Sebastien and Daniel.
Thanks Marcus and Timo for the great moments we had and we hope to see you again sometimes.
Congratulations for Mikko and Jarmo.
J-M Latvala had a super Wales rally and will keep the tradition from the Finnish rally drivers up for the future.
Congratulation to Ford. Thanks to Ford to stay in rallysport for so long, they will be the most famous brand for ever.
http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/wrc/-/motor_success/-/-/-/-

[N.O.T]

I was just being sarcastic. There's no way that a Greek would be driving in WRC in a top team.

with the current situation in the WRC anyone with money can do it.....even Greeks.

[Corny]

****, it's not only Tommi's record anymore :(
to do 4 in a row

[White Sauron]

I understood what there's bad about Sebastien. Not him being so fast un unbeatable. But his fans' behavior. They behave like they are the only great, while others, who support Gronholm, Solberg, etc. are just idiots who bet on crap drivers. They call Loeb being the status figure, thus saying that the likes of Gronholm and Sainz, who have "just" 2 titles each, aren't masters and status drivers! Well, at least I've seen this on the example of russian Loeb's fans. They position themseleves as |we are clever, others are silly"... Pity to see this. Gronholm's, Solberg's fans don't have such an attitude to Loeb's ones.

[pino]

I understood what there's bad about Sebastien. Not him being so fast un unbeatable. But his fans' behavior. They behave like they are the only great, while others, who support Gronholm, Solberg, etc. are just idiots who bet on crap drivers. They call Loeb being the status figure, thus saying that the likes of Gronholm and Sainz, who have "just" 2 titles each, aren't masters and status drivers! Well, at least I've seen this on the example of russian Loeb's fans. They position themseleves as |we are clever, others are silly"... Pity to see this. Gronholm's, Solberg's fans don't have such an attitude to Loeb's ones.

What ? :confused:

[harriswrc]

I read the final official classification on the official site of the rally
http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/Final_Official_Classification_After_Leg_3.pdf

and beside the Loeb's name, there is a star saying that there is a subject to the result of a complete engine inspection...

Is there any problem with the legal of Loeb's C4 engine???

[noel157]

with the current situation in the WRC anyone with money can do it.....even Greeks.

Or sheep and goats. better traction anyway...........

[A.F.F.]

Congrats Sebastien and Daniel.

No exuces this time. Marcus' title was lost to an error in Ireland. No bad luck, just a driving mistake which happen in rallying.

Sebastien achievement is something only a few rally drivers can ever get and the records are still left open. He is among the rally legends already :up:

Next year is going to be very interesting. At the start of this season I could have said he would just cruise to to his fifth title. But nmow I'm not so sure anymore. Well, I'm sure he won't be just cruise to the tile.

Hanaa Mikko :D

[Paul.G]

and beside the Loeb's name, there is a star saying that there is a subject to the result of a complete engine inspection...

Is there any problem with the legal of Loeb's C4 engine???

Standard practice, the FIA inspect after events and as he has won the drivers championship they will have a poke about. I would be gob smacked if something was found.
Paul

[RallyfanNZ]

I was once told that it is miles easier to make a car that performs well on tarmac fast on gravel then the other way around.

[Brother John]

Next year is going to be very interesting. At the start of this season I could have said he would just cruise to to his fifth title. But nmow I'm not so sure anymore. Well, I'm sure he won't be just cruise to the tile.

I agree with this A.F.F. :up:

Abou the bet, remember this: :D ;) http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=392920&postcount=699

[A.F.F.]

I agree with this A.F.F. :up:

Abou the bet, remember this: :D ;) http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=392920&postcount=699

I'm a man of my word BJ. I'll give the million euros I owe you :)

[Finni]

Congrats Sebastien and Daniel.

No exuces this time. Marcus' title was lost to an error in Ireland. No bad luck, just a driving mistake which happen in rallying.


It seems to be matter of taste how one spells out the reason for Marcus' lost championship. In one sense Marcus' lost due to his mistake but that is only because he gave so many points away from tarmac. Marcus would have needed at least 2 less dnf' to Seb in order to catch the difference done in asphalt.

[Brother John]

I'm a man of my word BJ. I'll give the million euros I owe you :)

Thanks, with that money I will buy you a car then...... ;)

[Magnus]

You now offcourse that there is a ten percent surcharge on lottery-wins and that this goes to the winner of the annual "best signature competition!? I will invest the money in making my signature even better!

[SanjayKumar]

Looks like my predictions may come true for next year!!! Congrats Mikko on the huge win!