[WRC] Rallye Monte Carlo 2022

[Kenneth]

I think they won't for PR reasons.

Yeah agree. Right now PR should be more important for M-Sport than standings.

[bandit12]

I am afraid that Hyundai will not bother to continue such a troubled experiment for a long time and will simply step aside to maintain its last reputation. at best for a year, in other cases forever.

[Rallyper]

In respect for Loeb, nothing will change before last TC.

[wyler]

I am afraid that Hyundai will not bother to continue such a troubled experiment for a long time and will simply step aside to maintain its last reputation. at best for a year, in other cases forever.

let's wait for the next one. i don't see it as so bad. they showed some good. no service didn't help (with midday service they could have a podium fight).
also, the costly tanak mistake didn't help, if not it could be in the mix...
let's see when the missing spare parts arrive.

[henzo]

I see as if they just didnt have enough time to iron out all the problems and produce enough spare parts.
The neuville damper ejection was a bit worrying though, as it indicates that they still havent managed to build a strong enough suspension mount... How that is possible for a top team in the world - i dont understand.

[Portimao]

Another technical issues for Hyundai

[wyler]

Another technical issues for Hyundai

which one?

[er88]

Yeah agree. Right now PR should be more important for M-Sport than standings.What type of bandit operation would they look if Breen lost a championship by 3pts.

Granted that probably won't happen, but Msport need to maximise every opportunity for their lead driver. Especially when Tanak, Neuville and Evans have had horror shows.

2nd or 3rd is hardly going to make a world of difference in PR. They aren't denying Seb a famous win, he will still be on the podium and everyone will know he checked in late to help his team mate/ Msport.

[itix]

Someone explained this to me a few years ago but I forgot.
What are the crossed out stickers on the back with what looks like a spiked tire for?

[TypeR]

Someone explained this to me a few years ago but I forgot.
What are the crossed out stickers on the back with what looks like a spiked tire for?

Just sticker - studded tyres
With black diagonal line - no studded tyres

[Rallyper]

What type of bandit operation would they look if Breen lost a championship by 3pts.

Granted that probably won't happen, but Msport need to maximise every opportunity for their lead driver. Especially when Tanak, Neuville and Evans have had horror shows.

2nd or 3rd is hardly going to make a world of difference in PR. They aren't denying Seb a famous win, he will still be on the podium and everyone will know he checked in late to help his team mate/ Msport.

Don´t forget there´s a fight for 1st place as well...

[EstWRC]

Seems like a stage win for Thierry

[Morte66]

should Rovanpera push tomorrow and try to pass Breen?
[...]
Personally... I don't think he should in cold logical terms, but I think he will.

I am reconsidering my career as a WRC pundit.

[wyler]

Seems like a stage win for Thierry

first of the year! good for pr!

[Rally Hokkaido]

which one?

Thierry mentioned that the LSD is not working correctly in the rear differential - lots of wheelspin on bumpy surfaces.

[MentalParadox]

I think Loeb has conceded the win.
Making up that much time would require some pretty next-level pushing that would risk a crash. I think M-Sport will want the points for P2, and may have suggested he take it easy and secure 2nd.

[Portimao]

which one?

Neuville:
"I have a lot of diff slip. I have a problem with my rear diff and when it's flat it's okay, but as soon as there are some bumps I get a lot of wheel spin. Hopefully we can get some points from the power stage but it might not be easy."

[meh]

Based on RC2 guys, powerstage will be a bit puncture-lottery as well. Rally is not over yet.

[wyler]

Neuville:
"I have a lot of diff slip. I have a problem with my rear diff and when it's flat it's okay, but as soon as there are some bumps I get a lot of wheel spin. Hopefully we can get some points from the power stage but it might not be easy."

i heard it. but that's not an issue, just settings. it's not that's broken...

[Rallyper]

Millener and Malcolm as rallyfans don´t like the idea of changing positions... But nothing decided. (Said in Swedish Television)

[Rally Hokkaido]

Unbelievably, Gryazin has found himself in 3rd place from back in about 20th after Thursday's trouble.

[Rallyper]

Neuville:
"I have a lot of diff slip. I have a problem with my rear diff and when it's flat it's okay, but as soon as there are some bumps I get a lot of wheel spin. Hopefully we can get some points from the power stage but it might not be easy."

Hyundai maybe using washers in diff made of carbonfiber, instead of metal. (Also from Swedish Television)

[René]

From my point of view, nobody will ask a 9 times world champion to leave the 2nd place to Breen. But a 9 times world champion knows what he has to do in such a situation. And so he will do it!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Hyundai maybe using washers in diff made of carbonfiber, instead of metal. (Also from Swedish Television)

That makes sense. IIRC, the carbonfibre plates can wear out prematurely if not bedded-in correctly.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC+ stream ok ?

[Rallyper]

WRC+ stream ok ?

Yes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not on my TV channel... :(

[dck1989]

Not on my TV channel... :(

BT sport?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT sport?

Yep.

[Essaj]

Ogier with puncture, Loeb leads!

[meh]

Based on RC2 guys, powerstage will be a bit puncture-lottery as well. Rally is not over yet.

but already happened for Ogier...

[BigWorm]

Wow! Ogier puncture!

[seb_sh]

Oh my god, amazing

[Rallyper]

Discussion over. Loeb will win if nothing happens to him.

[seb_sh]

Even without snow monte is monte

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FFS I cant see this. :(

[BigWorm]

Discussion over. Loeb will win if nothing happens to him.

Not over, if Loeb even a slight hesitant and Ogier goes for it, it might be close

[Morte66]

I think Greensmith pushed, hoping to sneak a cheeky stage win while everyone else preserved tyres. Not a bad idea, but no such luck.

[jiipee64]

I think Ogier cut one left corner too much.

[Morte66]

I think Ogier cut one left corner too much.

* Meeke flashback *

[Rally Hokkaido]

So, what happens in the Power Stage? Can Loeb win the rally, but allow Craig to take more PS points? With less than 10 secs lead and Ogier to run after him, it seems impossible to 'stage manage' the result for M-Sport.

[erikli2]

So, what happens in the Power Stage? Can Loeb win the rally, but allow Craig to take more PS points?

No, Loeb has to go flat out if he wants the win.

[er88]

Missed it all thanks to BT Sport.

[Morte66]

So, what happens in the Power Stage? Can Loeb win the rally, but allow Craig to take more PS points?

I don't think 9.5s is enough to play games. They will all do as well as they can.

[MentalParadox]

M-Sport will want Loeb to take the win. Too much of a gamble trying to let Breen take the PS, they could lose the win.

[denkimi]

No, Loeb has to go flat out if he wants the win.a 10s lead on a 14k stage.

Ogier has to go flatout, loeb can take it safe.

[wyler]

So, what happens in the Power Stage? Can Loeb win the rally, but allow Craig to take more PS points?

no way, with ogier on win it on break it mode.
they ll both go for the best.

[er88]

Without a drivers championship to think of, Ogier will push like crazy. 110% win it or bin it. If he was doing the full year 2nd wouldn't feel like such a disaster

[EstWRC]

i dont like these punctures at all

[MentalParadox]

We should all feel incredibly privileged. We're about to see Ogier and Loeb, the absolute GOATs of the sport, fighting each other with 110% of their power. On their strongest rally, their home rally.
Things like this don't happen often.

[seb_sh]

Without a drivers championship to think of, Ogier will push like crazy. 110% win it or bin it. If he was doing the full year 2nd wouldn't feel like such a disaster

Same for Loeb, isn't it. If Loeb goes off Breen is there. It will be a maximum attack Seb vs Seb.

[KKS]

So, what happens in the Power Stage? Can Loeb win the rally, but allow Craig to take more PS points? With less than 10 secs lead and Ogier to run after him, it seems impossible to 'stage manage' the result for M-Sport.
If Breen want to win a PS - he must push for it! Not wait that somebody do it for him! It's simple and it's rallying!

[seb_sh]

We should all feel incredibly privileged. We're about to see Ogier and Loeb, the absolute GOATs of the sport, fighting each other with 110% of their power. On their strongest rally, their home rally.

Things like this don't happen often.

I hope they talk it out and try to do the same rallies this year :P

[KKS]

We should all feel incredibly privileged. We're about to see Ogier and Loeb, the absolute GOATs of the sport, fighting each other with 110% of their power. On their strongest rally, their home rally.
Things like this don't happen often.
It's massive! Live and watch this moment live!

[ouvreur]

Two of the greatest drivers ever to sit behind the wheel of any motor vehicle, with 10 seconds between them going into a tricky final-stage decider on Rally Monte Carlo.

I know luck has played its part, but what a privilege it is to be able to witness such a battle. Incredible.

[erikli2]

Which spare tires did Ogier have with him, same compound as he one that deflated?

[seb_sh]

Which spare tires did Ogier have with him, same compound as he one that deflated?

Both Loeb and Ogier have 6 soft if I remember correctly.

[NoFear85]

What if Malcolm want to win this rally? Loeb than can’t go at his max, he must secure this advantage of 9.5sec. I think is more important to win for M-Sport than Toyota.

[René]

M-Sport ambiance

https://twitter.com/MSportLtd/status/1485198734405349377?s=20

[Sulland]

SVT with Jonas Kruse!

[René]

Check your pacemaker, it will be put to the test in a few minutes!

[mknight]

For sure Ogier will push, but pity it isn't a few secs less so that Loeb would also have to push max.

[Rallyper]

SVT with Jonas Kruse!

Yes. Very good broadcast. Kruse knows much about things going on. Even better now when he and Maria are on sight.

[cosmin_sb]

Munster faster driver in wrc2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A chance for great Ch'ship points wasted by Evans this weekend.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job by Neuville considering all the car issues he's had to cope with.

[Rallyper]

All feelings came out after finish line for TN...

[MentalParadox]

Thierry looks pretty annoyed. Did the camera crew fall to the ground there?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Top work by Gus... excellent consistency and no mistakes all weekend.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Nice run by Kalle!

[Rallyper]

Kalle!! Fastest so far by 0,9 s over Evans.

[MentalParadox]

If WRC+ was smart, they'd focus on Ogier and Loeb's runs instead of Breen cruising in 6th.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The very epitome of a solid rally by Breen to bring home a great podium on Monte. Perfect for the Ch'ship as best of the full season drivers.

[MentalParadox]

Penalty for Ogier. Game over. What a shame, we've been robbed of a great fight. Unless Loeb has an "oopsie", of course.

[René]

10 sec penalty jump start for Ogier

[cosmin_sb]

Jump start for Ogier

[EstWRC]

the maestro tricked and won him

[becher]

What!? How did that happen?

[Sulland]

Penalty for Ogier. Game over. What a shame, we've been robbed of a great fight. Unless Loeb has an "oopsie", of course.

????

[MentalParadox]

????

Which part of that confuses you?

[Rallyper]

Jump start for Ogier.

[er88]

Ogier not liking Pirelli lol

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb wins - the Puma wins on debut - M-Sport wins !!! :D

[wia5958]

2 drivers one stage between them for the win and ogier chokes shows the hold the goat has over him chances are we won't see a final stage showdown between them like that again

[denkimi]

Loeb is not driving as clean as we are used of him here.

[er88]

If Ogier didn't have the penalty this could've swung !

[jonkka]

At 47 years and 331 days Seb Loeb is now oldest WRC winner. It is very big achievement as previously oldest WRC winners usually were in events where out-and-out speed mattered less than experience and measured approach (Waldegard and Mikkola in Safari).

[MentalParadox]

If Ogier didn't have the penalty this could've swung !

Nope. He would still have won by 0,5 seconds.

[TypeR]

fkin amazing!

[becher]

Take a bow! Maestro!

Also first female win since F. Pons?

And my first prediction is correct hahaha, would've never imagined.

[erikli2]

Goat

[Rallyper]

Congrats to Maestro Loeb and Galmiche! Welcome to Sweden. You must!

[Eli]

Somebody pinch me, are we back in 2013? If not for Breen in third, you could’ve fooled me.

[denkimi]

Can we repeat this every year from now on? A loeb vs ogier fight, just to put in perspective how the other drivers compare.

[EstWRC]

so happy for M-sport, years of misery and finally a win

like i said on friday, the most talented motosport guy that there ever has been

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle 3rd in the Ch'ship.

[Eli]

If not for the penalty, would’ve been the closest finish in Monte Carlo ever! What a sport, two amazing legends.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Congrats Seb and Isabelle! They were so cool and chatting the whole event and then still delivered. Hey Mr ben Sulayem I think I've found the Superstars you were looking for, lol!

[MentalParadox]

So surreal seeing the name "Loeb" on top of the championship standings.

[denkimi]

So does ogier gets power stage points? I assume not?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Emotional.

[focus206]

I can't believe that Loeb did it... what a driver, I'm speechless. Some time ago, a topic was opened on this forum "was Loeb really THAT good?"...
Yes, he was. And yes, he still is. The maestro.

[Kielder]

97 years onboard. The old era of hybrids.

[jonkka]

So does ogier gets power stage points? I assume not?

Yes he does, one for being 5th fastest. On PS, any penalty received (for jump start) is added to the stage time (WRC regs art. 50.4 second paragraph).

[greencroft]

I wonder if Loeb knew about Ogier's jump start penalty when he went into the stage. Would he have been able to see him off the line from where he was sat before pulling up to the startline?

[denkimi]

So does ogier gets power stage points? I assume not?
So he does, one.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rovanpera to open the road in Sweden.

[denkimi]

I wonder if Loeb knew about Ogier's jump start penalty when he went into the stage. Would he have been able to see him off the line from where he was sat before pulling up to the startline?
It think he did. At least about the jump start, so he should have been expecting it.

[MentalParadox]

So, what do you think? Does this confirm an Ogier entry into Monte Carlo 2023? :D

[the sniper]

Can we repeat this every year from now on? A loeb vs ogier fight, just to put in perspective how the other drivers compare.

I don't think Ogier would be able to live with the disappointment year after year! :D

[EstWRC]

I don't think Ogier would be able to live with the disappointment year after year! :D

he was really disappointed, you could see that.

Neuville also super frustrated

[dimviii]

Congrats Maestro,fully deserved win,no mistake at all.

Remember that plenty said that ok he has all the records you can count about wins,stage wins,championships etc,but he was at a team that build cars only to his likes.

I feel priveleged to watch him from his beggining with saxo s1600 at Acropolis before so many years.


simply GOAT.

[dimviii]

he was really disappointed, you could see that.


''Finally there is justice to the sport''

[Fitz]

Wow, amazing, well done.
I think the bit that choked me was when Isabelle said at the end ‘thank-you Seb’.

I’ve never sat & watched every stage but I did this weekend for this bloke.

Thanks so much Seb Loeb for all the excitement over the years.

[becher]

''Finally there is justice to the sport''

Ahahaha that stupid sentence, the audacity to mock your team like that!

[cali]

I can't believe that Loeb did it... what a driver, I'm speechless. Some time ago, a topic was opened on this forum "was Loeb really THAT good?"...
Yes, he was. And yes, he still is. The maestro.Yes, he still is and today I think all debates about that topic ended. THE GOAT!

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[MentalParadox]

''Finally there is justice to the sport''

I don't know who said that, but I don't really agree with it. Ogier is still a great champion and I don't think it's right to dogpile him just because he lost this fight (due to a puncture).

[cali]

And it shows how much hold Loeb has over Ogier. He almost never makes mistakes and in the end a little choke was all the Maestro needed....was caused by his presence

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[becher]

I don't know who said that, but I don't really agree with it. Ogier is still a great champion and I don't think it's right to dogpile him just because he lost this fight (due to a puncture).

He said it in Germany 2011. He was told by the team to hold second and not risk the 1-2 with a stupid fight and when Loeb had a puncture, he came up with the brilliant idea show his team the finger with this statement.

[doubled1978]

Wow, I didn’t expect him to go and win it. Impressive. Isobel almost looks like she is just having a nice weekend out, no pressure and not really thinking about what she is achieving.
Bit hard on Ogier as he was great during the event, but that’s rally.

Wonder what the odds are for Loeb to win a rally in his 50’s? Might be worth a few quid on a punt.

[Fitz]

Loeb didn’t make any mistakes that I saw this weekend whereas there were a few times Ogier was a bit fortunate. That helicopter shot on the right hander where he was exceptionally close to going off on the snowy section. Also some of his cuts were a bit whoa.

So for that reason I wasn’t surprised by the puncture.

Loeb you could argue had the sense to hold back where he wasn’t sure.

Interesting to note quite a bit of reference to Loeb being GOAT. Which is probably right.

[focus206]

ewrc-results is down for me at the moment... too many people went to check the results to see if they were dreaming or not? :D

[tommeke_B]

The stage-end interview with Ogier where he indirectly blames Pirelli for the puncture. That was showing the big difference between Loeb and Ogier as human beings.

[dimviii]

The stage-end interview with Ogier where he indirectly blames Pirelli for the puncture. That was showing the big difference between Loeb and Ogier as human beings.

For me that is a reason why i always had prefered Loeb over Ogier.
Loeb always down to earth,never blaimed anybody,never moaning,and the biggest reason is that when he was loosing a rally never told excuses. He just said that this weekend Gronholm ,Ogier,Latvala etc was simply faster.

[seb_sh]

I think that now there can be no more doubt.

[WRCStan]

I like Ogier so I'm stepping into the shoes of others who say he likes to find excuses here.

"Seb, you jumped the start."
"Ah, there was a noise with the engine it distracted me"

[focus206]

The stage-end interview with Ogier where he indirectly blames Pirelli for the puncture. That was showing the big difference between Loeb and Ogier as human beings.

While both are amazing drivers, only one of them is a gentleman... such a shame that one of the best drivers of all times had to be one of the whiniest as well.

[denkimi]

Loeb 27
Ogier 19
Rovanpera 17
Breen 15
Neuville 11

Msport 42
Toyota 39
Hyundai 13

[MentalParadox]

I wonder what these comments would have looked like had Ogier not had that puncture.

"I always knew Ogier was the GOAT"
"There can be no more doubt!"
etc.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/cP6GY9dd7Eo

[seb_sh]

I wonder what these comments would have looked like had Ogier not had that puncture.

"I always knew Ogier was the GOAT"
"There can be no more doubt!"
etc.

You must be new here

[Rally Hokkaido]

Loeb didn’t make any mistakes that I saw this weekend whereas there were a few times Ogier was a bit fortunate. That helicopter shot on the right hander where he was exceptionally close to going off on the snowy section. Also some of his cuts were a bit whoa.

So for that reason I wasn’t surprised by the puncture.

Loeb you could argue had the sense to hold back where he wasn’t sure.

Interesting to note quite a bit of reference to Loeb being GOAT. Which is probably right.
Yes, for sure Ogier drove very well and tactically, as usual. Here we always compliment him on his incredible ability to know when to take risks, avoid trouble, etc. However, this rally he found himself under pressure from his nemesis and I believe that caused him to take more than normal amount of risks and even make a jump start (very rare among Rally1 drivers) on the most critical stage.

[cali]

I wonder what these comments would have looked like had Ogier not had that puncture.

"I always knew Ogier was the GOAT"
"There can be no more doubt!"
etc.At 47 years old, beating all the young guns and even if Ogier would've won I would've said the same. Ogier is the reigning champion while Loeb has been making random appearances just for fun. All the rest of the field should now take a big breath after being beaten by oldtimer.

And don't get me wrong these mistakes happen when you're under pressure. Just that for Ogier others are childs play until Loeb steps into the game.

It's actually quite unbelievable really.

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[focus206]

I wonder what these comments would have looked like had Ogier not had that puncture.

"I always knew Ogier was the GOAT"
"There can be no more doubt!"
etc.

The difference is:
if the world champion Ogier wins the rally against semi-retired 47 years old Loeb, well, nothing incredible.
but if semi-retired 47 years old Loeb, straight after Dakar, jumps in the Puma and wins against 8 times world champion Ogier... now that's incredible, and shows what a driver he was and still is.

[EstWRC]

5 minute onboard of Tänak from SS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQaObp8FGy8

[denkimi]

I wonder what these comments would have looked like had Ogier not had that puncture.

"I always knew Ogier was the GOAT"
"There can be no more doubt!"
etc.
I feel ogier would not have had his puncture and jumpstart if it wasn't for loeb. Loeb seems to be the only driver that can get under his skin and make him push over the limit.

They are both goats, loeb just has an age advantage. Lets see what ogier will achieve in the next 10 years.

[NOT]

We should all feel incredibly privileged. We're about to see Ogier and Loeb, the absolute GOATs of the sport, fighting each other with 110% of their power. On their strongest rally, their home rally.
Things like this don't happen often.

There is ONE absolute GOAT in the sport and then there is a retired LOSER sick crying dog that nobody will miss ever apart from a bunch of "people" (newflash: they are not humans) that the only reason they support the sick crying dog is because the absolute GOAT beat their favourite drivers again and again AND AGAIN during his reign and they feel hurt like sick dogs without an owner...

"sometimes there is justice in the sport"

[MentalParadox]

There is ONE absolute GOAT in the sport and then there is a retired LOSER sick crying dog that nobody will miss ever apart from a bunch of "people" (newflash: they are not humans) that the only reason they support the sick crying dog is because the absolute GOAT beat their favourite drivers again and again AND AGAIN during his reign and they feel hurt like sick dogs without an owner...

"sometimes there is justice in the sport"

Is this kind of dehumanizing language permitted around here? I don't like being called a "sick dog" just for posting a lukewarm comment in defense of Ogier. I'm not even a hardcore Ogier fan, I've always wanted Thierry to win.

[USER47]

It's just NOT, he's a bit of an idiot. I thought he was banned already long time ago, I see he's back on a new account.

[MentalParadox]

I understand believing Loeb is better than Ogier, but calling him a "retired LOSER sick crying dog"? Like, okay...? And I got flak for saying "RIP Fourmaux" (in obvious jest), but this is okay around here?

[NOT]

Is this kind of dehumanizing language permitted around here? I don't like being called a "sick dog" just for posting a lukewarm comment in defense of Ogier. I'm not even a hardcore Ogier fan, I've always wanted Thierry to win.

No its not permitted by lesser users so do not use it...

[seb_sh]

I understand believing Loeb is better than Ogier, but calling him a "retired LOSER sick crying dog"? Like, okay...? And I got flak for saying "RIP Fourmaux" (in obvious jest), but this is okay around here?

The guy had been banned, somehow he popped up again, rest of the forum doesn't speak like that.

[flat_right]

There is ONE absolute GOAT in the sport and then there is a retired LOSER sick crying dog that nobody will miss ever apart from a bunch of "people" (newflash: they are not humans) that the only reason they support the sick crying dog is because the absolute GOAT beat their favourite drivers again and again AND AGAIN during his reign and they feel hurt like sick dogs without an owner...

"sometimes there is justice in the sport"

Just wow... go outside and enjoy some fresh air.

[USER47]

...but this is okay around here?
You can report him and move on, he'll probably be banned soon enough again.

[tommeke_B]

For me that is a reason why i always had prefered Loeb over Ogier.
Loeb always down to earth,never blaimed anybody,never moaning,and the biggest reason is that when he was loosing a rally never told excuses. He just said that this weekend Gronholm ,Ogier,Latvala etc was simply faster.
+1
Also throughout the first stages, Isabelle was quite off the pace with her notes, first stage too fast, second often late. You could hear the direct feedback towards her at the end of the stages. It's not surprising given her limited experience with fast cars and drivers, that there was a bit of a struggle to start with. He never mentioned any of it in the stage-end interviews even while it visibly frustrated him. There is a lot many people can learn from Loeb, not just rally drivers.

[mknight]

And it shows how much hold Loeb has over Ogier. He almost never makes mistakes and in the end a little choke was all the Maestro needed....was caused by his presence

Yep, Ogier has own complex for Loeb. Always focusing on him.

Since we have the forever Ogier vs Loeb debate....

For me Ogier has better results (with 3 different manus and complete domination over everyone including Latvala in VW).
Loeb could have possibly gotten as good results, but "sadly" for him the competition was rather thin during some of his career and he never had to change teams.

On a personal level I agree that Loeb doesn't have same excuses for everything like Ogier.

[becher]

Yep, Ogier has own complex for Loeb. Always focusing on him.

Since we have the forever Ogier vs Loeb debate....

For me Ogier has better results (with 3 different manus and complete domination over everyone including Latvala in VW).
Loeb could have possibly gotten as good results, but "sadly" for him the competition was rather thin during some of his career and he never had to change teams.

On a personal level I agree that Loeb doesn't have same excuses for everything like Ogier.


The competition for Loeb was arguably less, because he was a level above everybody.

[dimviii]

+1
Also throughout the first stages, Isabelle was quite off the pace with her notes, first stage too fast, second often late. You could hear the direct feedback towards her at the end of the stages. It's not surprising given her limited experience with fast cars and drivers, that there was a bit of a struggle to start with. He never mentioned any of it in the stage-end interviews even while it visibly frustrated him. There is a lot many people can learn from Loeb, not just rally drivers.

at French forum who can understand their language through onboards said that some times she was totally lost with notes,and find the correct note after some time.
Can understand her pressure of course.

[WRCStan]

Maths lesson will be fun for the kids this week. If a Ford Puma travelling at 100kph crosses the line.... who is leading the championship?

[Rallyper]

at French forum who can understand their language through onboards said that some times she was totally lost with notes,and find the correct note after some time.
Can understand her pressure of course.

And that fact makes Loeb even bigger. As person and driver.

[Japé]

We need to remember that Loeb also lost some time during the Friday because of technical issues.

[dimviii]

Yep, Ogier has own complex for Loeb. Always focusing on him.

Since we have the forever Ogier vs Loeb debate....

For me Ogier has better results (with 3 different manus and complete domination over everyone including Latvala in VW).
Loeb could have possibly gotten as good results, but "sadly" for him the competition was rather thin during some of his career and he never had to change teams.

On a personal level I agree that Loeb doesn't have same excuses for everything like Ogier.

Loeb didnt loose championship from anybody.Ogier lost.
Loeb beat Ogier with same car while cleaning ALL gravel rallies.
Loeb won championships against World Champions like Sainz,Mc Rae,Makkinen,Kankkunen,while at Ogiers era wasnt any World Champion.So Loeb had much stronger opposition not Ogier.
About different manufacturers Loeb just answered today if he was able to win with other car except citroen.
Even if he hadnt win today,why he had to change team when he had a good car/team/salary?
Its like to ask Ogier when competing at VW to change team.

[becher]

Loeb didnt loose championship from anybody.Ogier lost.
Loeb beat Ogier with same car while cleaning ALL gravel rallies.
Loeb won championships against World Champions like Sainz,Mc Rae,Makkinen,Kankkunen,while at Ogiers era wasnt any World Champion.So Loeb had much stronger opposition not Ogier.
About different manufacturers Loeb just answered today if he was able to win with other car except citroen.
Even if he hadnt win today,why he had to change team when he had a good car/team/salary?
Its like to ask Ogier when competing at VW to change team.

Couldn't agree more, the winning with different teams/manufacturers complex many fans have is far from relevant in the real world.

[mknight]

The competition for Loeb was arguably less, because he was a level above everybody.

Nope. For 4 years ( 2009-2012) there were 2 teams. Out of these Loeb's teammates were basically not allowed to fight him. (Sordo Spain, Ogier etc..).

Personally I think Loeb could achieve same type of results like Ogier, it's just that there was no opportunity.

[NOT]

Yep, Ogier has own complex for Loeb. Always focusing on him.

Since we have the forever Ogier vs Loeb debate....

For me Ogier has better results (with 3 different manus and complete domination over everyone including Latvala in VW).
Loeb could have possibly gotten as good results, but "sadly" for him the competition was rather thin during some of his career and he never had to change teams.

On a personal level I agree that Loeb doesn't have same excuses for everything like Ogier.

I bet it was traumatizing seeing Loeb beating Mcrae in the same car..

i suggest therapy instead of creating stories about the greatness of Ogier winning championships against a bunch of nobodies...

Ogier is nothing... he was nothing and will be forgotten...

i cannot imagine this atmosphere will ever be recreated for Ogier even if his house is a few yards away

2235

[seb_sh]

Loeb won championships against World Champions like Sainz,Mc Rae,Makkinen,Kankkunen,while at Ogiers era wasnt any World Champion.So Loeb had much stronger opposition not Ogier.


Don't agree with this one, Loeb before him didn't allow any other world champions, altough some were close, so kinda not Ogier's fault. I think overall if you really look at the details the competition was similar but they were both 1 level above their contemporaries.

For me the 1 doubt that remains is that Ogier won titles with more manufacturers. Other than that Loeb won with more generations of car (Xsara, C4, DS3, and now rally wins with C3 and Puma). And now in this direct fight where Ogier had all the advantages (knows the team, participated in developing the car, has recent form in WRC, had some rest) Loeb comes from finishing 2nd in the Dakar, takes a shower goes to a new team and is challenging him.

And there is a final plus for Loeb, that is not Ogier's negative but it's just that Loeb was first. Loeb changed the game, he had the efficient driving style, pragmatic championship approach and was fast on all surfaces. Each individual trait is not new but I think he was the first to have all of them.

[meh]

Loeb vs Ogier - there are too many variables to compare who is better over all time, and for me it does not matter. They are both masters with their own way and own style, one likes more one style, another likes more another style.

This time in Monte is win for Loeb. We can have endless and pointless discussion "but Ogier had puncture", there are so many "if-s" in rally, that we can overlook all rallies and stages if we want. At the end, in the protocol, the winner is Loeb. Simple as that.

Like it was mentioned before - we just should be happy to be able to observe this battle between masters.

... and to be honest, after Monte, it gives taste for other rally wins and for entire championship - "you are the best after 2 kings". Yes, I know, that those kings would both be master everywhere and Monte is kind of home event for both. But still...

Hopefully Hyundai is also getting their problems kind of sorted and we will see more tight battles in the future.

[mknight]

Loeb didnt loose championship from anybody.Ogier lost.
Loeb beat Ogier with same car while cleaning ALL gravel rallies.
Loeb won championships against World Champions like Sainz,Mc Rae,Makkinen,Kankkunen,while at Ogiers era wasnt any World Champion.So Loeb had much stronger opposition not Ogier.
About different manufacturers Loeb just answered today if he was able to win with other car except citroen.

This is funny, a bit try hard aren't you?

The best argument is that Ogier didn't beat any world champions, kinda hard when the guy that took previous 9 left.

Anyway if you want something to fume about Loeb didn't get better than 3rd with i20.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Maths lesson will be fun for the kids this week. If a Ford Puma travelling at 100kph crosses the line.... who is leading the championship?

Or she could use this one: If a 21 year-old from Finland finishes 4th in a race, how old would the Frenchman who won be?

[wia5958]

Wonder if danos was in the car what the times would of been surely talking a few seconds per stage. Full commitment and trust in him. I don't think this would be a talking point Loeb would of easily had the win. But then we wouldn't of came to a final stage showdown and witness ogier choke under the pressure of having to attack Loeb a situation in his career I don't think he has ever found himself in. Really really wanting to beat another competitor and he choked

[becher]

Nope. For 4 years ( 2009-2012) there were 2 teams. Out of these Loeb's teammates were basically not allowed to fight him. (Sordo Spain, Ogier etc..).

Personally I think Loeb could achieve same type of results like Ogier, it's just that there was no opportunity.

Beating a mentally broken Latvala and a still developing Mikkelsen for four years is hardly any more impressive.

[focus206]

For me Ogier has better results (with 3 different manus and complete domination over everyone including Latvala in VW).
Loeb could have possibly gotten as good results, but "sadly" for him the competition was rather thin during some of his career and he never had to change teams.


I don't agree. "Beating Latvala in VW", as if Latvala has ever been in the fight for any title except for 2014, but still at a distance. Hirvonen, who everyone underestimates, was leagues above Latvala in terms of being a complete driver and a threat for the title, he was way more consistent.
Gronholm, Solberg, Hirvonen, Sainz and the others made up for a very good competition, especially at the beginning of Loeb's career.
Then we had 2009-2010, with only 2 manufacturers and Hirvonen being the only real threat (as Latvala was crashing too often anyway), before winning the 2011 title against Hirvonen and Ogier, and again in 2012 with Hirvonen as teammate.
On the other hand Ogier had a very thin competition during his VW days, with other cars unable to compete and teammates who never fought for championships.
I agree that Ogier has the plus of winning titles with different manufacturers, but to me it doesn't go much further than that.

[dimviii]

This is funny, a bit try hard aren't you?

The best argument is that Ogier didn't beat any world champions, kinda hard when the guy that took previous 9 left.



the funny is that YOU said that Ogier had better competition.
Explain to us how Latvala,Mikkelsen,Breen,Neuville etc is ''bigger competition'' against Sainz,Kankunnen,Mc Rae,Gronholm etc.

[doubled1978]

+1
Also throughout the first stages, Isabelle was quite off the pace with her notes, first stage too fast, second often late. You could hear the direct feedback towards her at the end of the stages. It's not surprising given her limited experience with fast cars and drivers, that there was a bit of a struggle to start with. He never mentioned any of it in the stage-end interviews even while it visibly frustrated him. There is a lot many people can learn from Loeb, not just rally drivers.

That is because he was looking to help her, to help him, rather than use her as an excuse why he didn’t achieve XYZ.
And it worked, she got herself in rhythm and off they went.
Let’s be honest, she was probably extremely nervous as well….

[Danny0405]

Great job for M-Sport and Loeb who catches the oldest winner record.

On a more global basis, difficult to make a clear evaluation on this one because Monte is a special rally + maybe some test days not adapted (Hyundai?) and also the car development is not fully finished (Hyundai again?)

However, if we make a short-term evaluation:

- the 2 Sebs still prove to be the greatest. I must admit I’m not a huge fan of the situation of seeing them (especially Ogier as he is the incumbent WC) making stints in their favorite rallies or with favorable road positions because it lowers the credit given to the future champion, all the more than the others cannot take the same level of risk (except Evans :D ). But, okay, I can understand the 2 Sebs enjoy to make WRC rallies.

- as in 2017, Ford has a very good car from the start of the season; the main difference is that they do not have an identified (full-time) top-class driver as Ogier and also the high-potential drivers behind the leader are still too soft. I think it will be really complicated for the manufacturer championship against Toyota, even with Loeb in 2 or 3 additional rallies. The question mark is to know if Breen can make a skyrocketing progression such as Tanak to be in the game for WDC; first day was not really good compared with his colleagues but, in the end, he has reached the best result he could hope, considering he has not driven here for a while (+ his test crash).
Greensmith proves he is not only a paying driver; deserved top-5 (even far) after all the troubles with some good times and consistency in the 1st day, a little more average after. He should deliver some good results through the year but probably a little short for the manufacturer championship (all the more if he is reliable so he would not benefit from very good road positions)
Fourmaux already under pressure with a new mistake. He will have to be really cautious in the next 2-3 rallies.
Maybe a little question mark about reliability also with the troubles underwent by Greensmith + a little for Loeb (but not a big concern compared with Hyundai).

- Toyota, maybe the best car now or close with Ford and a proven good bunch of drivers with almost no reliability issues.
For the manufacturer championship, I could be wrong but they confirm to be favorite by far even if behind Ford in championship standings right now: the car is good, the Lappi/Ogier duo may be terrific whereas Hyundai will have to solve reliability issues (and a questionable 3rd car) and M-Sport lacks big drivers.
Would be a little more worried on the WDC; Evans made a new blockhead decision which is not the best thing for your main championship contender; Rovanperä had a lackluster first day as he has sometimes even if he was really solid for the rest with a good result overall. In the end, not much lose but still to be analyzed.
New mistake by Katsuta who gives 2 additional points to Hyundai and which does not end his negative strike since half of last year even if he finishes 8th overall. I personally think that Toyota is too permissive with him.

- really difficult for Hyundai. Bad testing conditions affect the 1st day; the rythm was not bad during the Friday (but not better than the others) and a lot of reliability issues ... and reliability is not easy to solve within a season (Toyota had to wait 2018 to solve most of their reliability issues). And already a lot of manufacturer points lost with no 2nd car at the finish.
Really worried for Tanak, I’m not sure this new regulation suits his driving style and if the car is far, it might be a terrible year all the more if he adds bad decisions (1 spare tyre).
The only positive for them is that they have probably the best full-time driver with Neuville: he makes less blockhead choices than Evans (in the last years at least), he is more polyvalent than Rovanperä, more experienced than Breen and he has shown last year that he is more tenacious than Tanak with a bad car. And Neuville did not lose too much ground against Rovanperä and Breen. So if Hyundai’s car has the best improvement margin (which would sound logical), he is not out of the game for the WDC and the big series of gravel rally may help them.
I Don’t know what to say about Solberg because the smoke thing seems to be a big constraint, let’s hope Sweden will be more relevant.

- in WRC-2, Citroen clearly matches Skoda now for the level of the car. Still, even if he has been contested, Mikkelsen’s win here against a bunch of Citroen French drivers is a big hit. Only Rossel saves the minimum but still, it’s a lot of points lost for the championship.
The young Skoda-affiliated bunch (Bulacia, Gryazin, Ingram and we can add Lindholm) is probably a little soft to be sure to clinch the title against Rossel, Suninen, Huttunen and maybe Ostberg. So Toksport will probably use Mikkelsen for a full 7-rally program (only MC was in the deal until now) and he will be difficult to beat with his Ogier-approach.
Big result from Cais for his 1st Monte, clearly a high prospect to follow.

[mknight]

the funny is that YOU said that Ogier had better competition.
Explain to us how Latvala,Mikkelsen,Breen,Neuville etc is ''bigger competition'' against Sainz,Kankunnen,Mc Rae,Gronholm etc.

Kankunnen did many seasons vs Loeb? McRae? Sainz did two and was basically same age as Loeb is now.
Skip over Tanak and mention Breen that never won a rally vs Ogier....jeez.

Yes I think that Ogier had better competition and rules (2 day gravel clearing) and other issues (VW exit, "semi works" MSport ) against him so that I rate his results higher. But think that Loeb could have achieved same results if he was in same situation.

As a person I like Loeb better.

Yet you two malakas have to go full retard...

[NOT]

entry list monte 2004

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/49-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2004/

entry list monte 2013

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/5887-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2013/

LOL

but yeah... ogier beat a driver with mental issues that retired at 30 and a driver that lost a cghampionship by crashing on super specials... and he lost to a driver that made mcrae look consistent....

[René]

https://twitter.com/CSainz_oficial/status/1485225391501594634?s=20

https://twitter.com/F1MikaHakkinen/status/1485227732929851399?s=20

[NOT]

https://twitter.com/CSainz_oficial/status/1485225391501594634?s=20

https://twitter.com/F1MikaHakkinen/status/1485227732929851399?s=20

can you imagine anyone apart from that butthurt colin clark (who was never man enough anyways and he did not make a single comment regarding Loebs win) nobody referring to Ogier as legend ?

the sick dog will be forgotten in no time...

[djip]

in WRC-2, Citroen clearly matches Skoda now for the level of the car. Still, even if he has been contested, Mikkelsen’s win here against a bunch of Citroen French drivers is a big hit. Only Rossel saves the minimum but still, it’s a lot of points lost for the championship.
The young Skoda-affiliated bunch (Bulacia, Gryazin, Ingram and we can add Lindholm) is probably a little soft to be sure to clinch the title against Rossel, Suninen, Huttunen and maybe Ostberg. So Toksport will probably use Mikkelsen for a full 7-rally program (only MC was in the deal until now) and he will be difficult to beat with his Ogier-approach.
Big result from Cais for his 1st Monte, clearly a high prospect to follow.

Mikkelsen did a good job and starts his season proper (even if he was less dominant than last year, and even less then the year before where he was stellar)

The most impressive must have been Rossel : for his first "big league" rally, he could have won save for a few last day mistakes. This young fella has a bright future given that he probably still has a lot of upside. He is also no slouch on gravel, as demonstrated last year (Acropolis), wich is unsual for a french driver.

Amongst the "Skoda-affiliated bunch", Gryazin has been pretty impressive. He was one of the fastest WRC2 following his first day technical issue (brakes) who cost him 3min ... less than the final gap to Mikkelsen. For someone who has been so crash-prone, he drove a fast and sensible rally. Don't discard him for the title.

I was pretty impressed also by the speed of the Citroen folks (Camilli, Lefebvre) although both crashed. Don't discard them on tarmac rallies to come. Lesser expectatins on gravel - They missed a golden opportunity for the title here...

[dimviii]

Yet you two malakas have to go full retard...

telling me asshole in my language will not proove that Ogier had better competition.

[djip]

Monte Carlo 2017, first event for the new WRC1 cars : Ford 1st and 3rd, 3rd with a young Tanak, finally coming to the ages after years of unfulfilled promises
Monte Carlo 2022, first event of the new Rally 1 cars : Ford 1st and 3rd, 3rd with a (not that young) Breen, finally on a full WRC campaign after years of scattered results
History seems to repeat itself, could te end of year be the same with Ford winning both titles ?
Seems pretty far fetched, unlesss (i) Loeb competes in at least 5-6 events (ii) Breen delivers on the fast flowing rallies that he seems to favor (starting with Swedento come) and (iii) Fourmeaux stops crashing, just as Tanak did in 2017!

[Danny0405]

Mikkelsen did a good job and starts his season proper (even if he was less dominant than last year, and even less then the year before where he was stellar)

The most impressive must have been Rossel : for his first "big league" rally, he could have won save for a few last day mistakes. This young fella has a bright future given that he probably still has a lot of upside. He is also no slouch on gravel, as demonstrated last year (Acropolis), wich is unsual for a french driver.

Amongst the "Skoda-affiliated bunch", Gryazin has been pretty impressive. He was one of the fastest WRC2 following his first day technical issue (brakes) who cost him 3min ... less than the final gap to Mikkelsen. For someone who has been so crash-prone, he drove a fast and sensible rally. Don't discard him for the title.

I was pretty impressed also by the speed of the Citroen folks (Camilli, Lefebvre) although both crashed. Don't discard them on tarmac rallies to come. Lesser expectatins on gravel - They missed a golden opportunity for the title here...

I do not discard Gryazin (or any Skoda young folks) who made a good job here but with his spin in PS, he already misses some good points even if he has limited the loss (compared with Ingram and Bulacia) thanks to the issues of Munster and Rossel. So, right now, the best option for WRC-2 to beat Suninen-Huttunen-Rossel (and maybe Ostberg) is still Mikkelsen; not impossible for the other Skoda guys but less sure. So best option for both Skoda and Mikkelsen is to follow together even if Mikkelsen obtains some drives in WRC in addition to that.

On Rossel and the other Citroen guys, I think they missed a big opportunity here as it was a favorable ground for them, all the more than they all knew well this type of Rallye. They show great speed so they should bring big competition to Skoda during the season but may be short for the title (except if Ostberg is also in the mix).

But most impressive for me was Cais’ consistency for a 1st time here. Even if he is too young for WRC-2 Open title (and too much-tarmac centered). Surprised to see best Czech prospect for a while against Skoda.

[dimviii]

proove that he still got it

https://twitter.com/ACM_Media/status/1485279743876509696

[djip]

And one last hopefully to close the debate on Loeb vs. Ogier : As drivers, both are GOAT. What they achieved in unbelievable, seemed always "easy" to them and luck has no play here. You create your own luck. It is always the same drivers which errors are costly, and those wich remain just under the limit and find a way to get out of hairy situations... And trying to compare different times is pointless. At a time where events where much longer, retirements from on out of two event the norm, and almost nobody had the luxury on a full season, why would drivers such as Aaltonen, Carlsson, Therier, Rorlh, Mikkola, Makinen (both Tomi and Timo), etc ... be less extroardinary ? Just because all of these (save maybe for Rorhl), had ups and downs, whereas both Sebastiens seemed to be piling up victories and titles year after year ... and more as demonstrated by Loeb today.

[djip]

At the same time, Loeb appears a total class act, and a always-happy fellow, when Ogier seems to be grumpy most of the time...

[WRCStan]

About that HY being at the rear of the panel....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJvHO6rXsBE6Kv7?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

That came as a surprise to Loeb, who had been at a loss to explain why he wasn’t fast on sealed surfaces during his prior two-year stint at Hyundai in 2019 and ’20.

When asked by DirtFish if he thought winning the Monte had been a possibility on his return to the WRC, Loeb replied: “I didn’t, no.”

“I was a bit more confident on gravel than on Tarmac, from my last experience. What is nice is that I didn’t lose my speed on Tarmac.

“When finally I have a car that suits my driving, it’s going quite well. So I’m really happy for this.

“I didn’t know if I can [win], no. I didn’t even think that.”

Loeb’s victory this week is in stark contrast to his previous Monte start in 2020 with Hyundai, where he was running fourth for most of the rally before a tire gamble backfired and dropped him to sixth on the last day.

That rally had been a stark contrast to his final outing with Citroën, the team with which he won all nine of his world championship titles, where he won the 2018 edition of Rally Spain.

Not getting to grips with the previous-generation i20 Coupe WRC on asphalt had made Loeb question whether he was still capable of running at the front.

“It was one thing I was always thinking about: I didn’t know why when I did my comeback with Citroën in Catalunya, the next year I finished the gravel leading the rally and then I was slow like hell on Tarmac. I never understood how I could lose everything in one year.

“Now it seems I didn’t lose everything, so I’m happy about that.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loeb-didnt-believe-he-could-win-in-wrc-anymore/

[dimviii]

At the same time, Loeb appears a total class act, and a always-happy fellow, when Ogier seems to be grumpy most of the time...

Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
·
3h
Studio microphone "There was a strange noise on the engine at the start, I was a bit disturbed and maybe I released a little earlier. I can keep the head up, I did the job this weekend. That's the way it is. Well done to the team, a good weekend for the 1st time with the hybrid"

[seb_sh]

proove that he still got it

https://twitter.com/ACM_Media/status/1485279743876509696

Ok this wasn't necessary but God damn!

[AdvEvo]

Did someone see this.

The ford is the only car which uses the hybrid power out of hairpins proper. When the car is straight and has no wheel slip it releases the hybrid boost. Other cars release extra boost immediately when applying power out of hairpins. So it all goes lost in wheelspin.

In stages with less hairpins and slippery hairpins ford has more difficulty to win.

The advantage in medium and long corners is not there because there is hardly wheel spin.

There must be some kind of system in the ford that checks wheelspin before it releases the hybrid boost.

Just watch wrc live and look at slippery hairpins and see when ford releases it hybrid boost and compare it to other cars.

Maybe i am wrong but i could see the difference.

[USER47]

There must be some kind of system in the ford that checks wheelspin before it releases the hybrid boost.
Let's hope it's not deemed illegal, as it sounds suspiciously like a sneaky traction control in principle, which I believe is not allowed in Rally1 cars.

Or maybe the Puma drivers were just more cautious on the throttle, based on the reporting I believe the boost is tied to the throttle pedal position.

[Myrvold]

Wonder what the odds are for Loeb to win a rally in his 50’s? Might be worth a few quid on a punt.

Was talking with some friends yesterday, that there would be one record Loeb wouldn't get, and that's the oldest podium finisher. Then again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Loeb on the entry list for Monte Carlo 2037. He'd only be three years older than Delecour and Burri this year.

[Myrvold]

Let's hope it's not deemed illegal, as it sounds suspiciously like a sneaky traction control in principle, which I believe is not allowed in Rally1 cars.

Or maybe the Puma drivers were just more cautious on the throttle, based on the reporting I believe the boost is tied to the throttle pedal position.

May have a mapping that delays pick-up/applies gradually/doesn't apply hybrid under a certain speed when not on launch control. That way you avoid having full power out of slow corners. They are pretty free when it comes to how to map it.

[tommeke_B]

What if it's not mapping and just the same principle as the "kick down" you have in cars with automatic gearbox? You can easily make some mechanical resistance you need to push through, so you don't activate the hybrid by error. Just my guess but it could be so simple...

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=884yfLRcuRg

Amazing video from Passats. Check Ogier @ 30s!!

[dimviii]

What if it's not mapping and just the same principle as the "kick down" you have in cars with automatic gearbox? You can easily make some mechanical resistance you need to push through, so you don't activate the hybrid by error. Just my guess but it could be so simple...

thats right.You can control boost pressure accordingly and have almost same effects.
ie like antilag mappings.

[dimviii]

De Villers video with top speeds
https://youtu.be/AlQ9HFx4h-E

[RS]

But most impressive for me was Cais’ consistency for a 1st time here. Even if he is too young for WRC-2 Open title (and too much-tarmac centered). Surprised to see best Czech prospect for a while against Skoda.

It looks like Skoda are going with Stritesky who made some eye catching times in the Czech Championship early last year but at this stage Cais is definitely a more complete and impressive driver. I don't know if he wanted to not go the Skoda route or if Skoda wouldn't consider him because he drives with a Ford but it looks like a missed opportunity for them right now.. perhaps some Czech guys can fill us in?

[dimviii]

2022 Rallye Monte-Carlo - Transcript of the post-event press conference organised by the FIA

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-s-loeb-its-more-we-expected

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2022/photos/rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo_2022/vms_dsc_7017.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2022/photos/rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo_2022/vms_dsc_6942.jpg


more
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/72281-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2022/

[seb_sh]

Loeb and his daughter doing backflips on the Monte Carlo Podium after getting 1st place 20 years after his first on-road win. Please stop they're all already dead.

[dimviii]

lol


Kimmo Töyrylä
@imitaattori1981
Winner of Rallye Monte Carlo 2042

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ0AEPCXwAUNZW_?format=jpg&name=medium

[Eli]

I think if you’d tell anyone back in 2003 that in almost 20 years’s time you’d have two Sebs fighting for a Monte win and finally see Loeb take (& equal) that 8th win they’d think you’re being mad.

[AnttiL]

Thierry looks pretty annoyed. Did the camera crew fall to the ground there?

Yes. I think that was quite rude. I think he suddenly kicked the car in gear while the camera crew was half inside the car.

[seb_sh]

Yes. I think that was quite rude. I think he suddenly kicked the car in gear while the camera crew was half inside the car.

As I understand that was a mistake and he was sorry for losing his control, but we'll see.

[Eli]

Yes. I think that was quite rude. I think he suddenly kicked the car in gear while the camera crew was half inside the car.

Yes he was furious at the car, and I’m guessing a bit at the team, but as someone here already mentioned, he has his fair share in their situation. His crash certainly didn’t help.

[Gonek]

Top speeds.

https://youtu.be/AlQ9HFx4h-E

[logic]

Did someone see this.

The ford is the only car which uses the hybrid power out of hairpins proper. When the car is straight and has no wheel slip it releases the hybrid boost. Other cars release extra boost immediately when applying power out of hairpins. So it all goes lost in wheelspin.

In stages with less hairpins and slippery hairpins ford has more difficulty to win.

The advantage in medium and long corners is not there because there is hardly wheel spin.

There must be some kind of system in the ford that checks wheelspin before it releases the hybrid boost.

Just watch wrc live and look at slippery hairpins and see when ford releases it hybrid boost and compare it to other cars.

Maybe i am wrong but i could see the difference.

It is not hard, you check that the delta of wheel speeds are within a reasonable number and there is now yaw in the movement of the car and that should give you an idea if the car is sideways or turning etc then in the torque demand map you just input this condition in the software and there you have it.

[becher]

It is not hard, you check that the delta of wheel speeds are within a reasonable number and there is now yaw in the movement of the car and that should give you an idea if the car is sideways or turning etc then in the torque demand map you just input this condition in the software and there you have it.
Yep, fine tuning like this is the reason different HY maps are a thing, otherwise they might as well run with a spec controling unit from compact dynamics.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/cX7gzLLWEtA

[USER47]

It is not hard, you check that the delta of wheel speeds are within a reasonable number and there is now yaw in the movement of the car and that should give you an idea if the car is sideways or turning etc then in the torque demand map you just input this condition in the software and there you have it.
For sure it's not hard, but what you described is a form of traction control, which is not allowed in Rally1.

[Danny0405]

Some other points on this rally:

- Loeb 1st victory was the 66th French victory in WRC, this one is the 201th French victory (since then, all the 54 Ogier’s wins + 2 from Panizzi). In addition to becoming the oldest winner, he becomes the 3rd driver to win in 3 different decades (after Auriol and Waldegard). He also takes alone the biggest gap between 1st and last win.

- on a less positive note, it’s the 4th time since 2017 than a 3-car team does not bring at least 2 cars at the finish for the manufacturer championship (last time was M-Sport in Monza 2020)

- 5th mistake with ranking consequences in the last 5 rallyes for Katsuta (+ 2 spins). 3th in the last 3 for Fourmaux.

[dimviii]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZEYuQZMT4_/?utm_medium=share_sheet

[dimviii]

shitty pirellis,''cant understand why they dont fix them''.

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2022/post-1668-0-55200800-1643019678.jpg

[AnttiL]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZEYuQZMT4_/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Can't believe it's from 2022, nobody is watching through a smartphone

[Thousandlakes]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZEYuQZMT4_/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Nice reaction from Vatanen. This short video is all about rallying.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/UElQtJxix0o

https://youtu.be/4e3A0YObvhQ

[shaitan]

https://youtu.be/UElQtJxix0owhy speed up

[dimviii]

Colin Clark
@voiceofrally
So good to see Andrea looking great and as entertaining as ever. The championship and in particular Hyundai missed him last week. The sport needs Adamo, we can’t afford to lose people of his caliber and talent

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ4ljO5XsAIZeNH?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ4ljO3X0AMqCQ3?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ4ljO6WUAIpdSX?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

nice video with fast passes
https://youtu.be/3bBkDpvBsUQ

[Morte66]

nice video with fast passes
https://youtu.be/3bBkDpvBsUQ

Thanks for these, dimviii. I seem to be unusual in this, but I do like to watch the pretty GT cars go round. You only really get them in these fan videos.

[macebig]

Dunno if anyone noticed, but Isabelle Galmiche was the first female co-driver to win a rally since the first WRCar rally back in 1997 and Fabrizia Pons.

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220124/147a555131985fa2b7bef50e13c1bdf3.jpg

[WRCStan]

Dunno if anyone noticed, but Isabelle Galmiche was the first female co-driver to win a rally since the first WRCar rally back in 1997 and Fabrizia Pons.

And Enni Mälkönen was the first co-driver to win in a Rally3 world championship.

[becher]

Dunno if anyone noticed, but Isabelle Galmiche was the first female co-driver to win a rally since the first WRCar rally back in 1997 and Fabrizia Pons.

Yeah thought so as well, and in both instances completely new regulations with part time drivers.

[Rally Hokkaido]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220124/147a555131985fa2b7bef50e13c1bdf3.jpg

Amazingly, all four wheels are touching the ground at the same time. In the crash it flew through the air after launching off the bank. It then tumbled down the slope. So dissipating all the energy gradually (instead of instantly if hitting a wall) has likely prevented major structural damage. I'm sure M-Sport will do a thorough tear down and inspection before rebuilding it though.

[flat_right]

Fourmaux's crash from a different angle. Looks spectacular!

https://streamable.com/2p4twj

[240RS]

Fourmaux's crash from a different angle. Looks spectacular!

https://streamable.com/2p4twj

Jeeeez. . . . that was WILD. . . Glad the cars are a lot safer now!

[dimviii]

Μaestro

https://www.facebook.com/video83/videos/1911350049073909/?t=2

[Simmi]

What a stunning rally. Think that might be my favourite of the three Montes I've done. Made a bit sweeter by finding out at the last minute I could go. The cars are incredible. Can't wait to see a gravel event now.

A few pictures here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842870920_837530d4d3_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZbgm5)1 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZbgm5) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842503774_197b899a33_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ocY)10 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ocY) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842136181_325f97f550_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ7uWa)2 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ7uWa) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842132061_6019eec360_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ7tH8)3 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ7tH8) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842503924_488932e042_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ofy)6 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ofy) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842249338_fb3d73168b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ85z9)5 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ85z9) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[Sulland]

Fourmaux's crash from a different angle. Looks spectacular!

https://streamable.com/2p4twj

Wow, from that angle it looks more like Ott Tanaks, even if the speed is slower.
Violent crash, and the cage held up! Was it in any way dameged, or will it be used again?

[bomber21]

What a stunning rally. Think that might be my favourite of the three Montes I've done. Made a bit sweeter by finding out at the last minute I could go. The cars are incredible. Can't wait to see a gravel event now.

A few pictures here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842870920_837530d4d3_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZbgm5)1 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZbgm5) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51842503774_197b899a33_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ocY)10 (https://flic.kr/p/2mZ9ocY) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/),

Amazing photos!

[becher]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220124/147a555131985fa2b7bef50e13c1bdf3.jpg

Rally1 is the second coming of Group S.

[Gio]

Where are the green lights on the windows? :D

Lucky escape for sure.

[Rallyper]

Fourmaux's crash from a different angle. Looks spectacular!

https://streamable.com/2p4twj

Not even a videogame crash could have been worse.

[Mirek]

Where are the green lights on the windows? :D

Look again. It's those three white diods attached to the B-pillar.

[Gio]

thx for the feedback. Didn't see it

[denkimi]

It kinda worries me that it has no more doors. They are a big part of the drivers protection, so them just flying off is not a good thing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It kinda worries me that it has no more doors. They are a big part of the drivers protection, so them just flying off is not a good thing.

Spot on. The safety cell may be intact and the crew further away from the (spaceframe) chassis than with the old bodyshell cars, but the way the doors and panels are just 'attached' isn't much protection. A tree branch or a pole could come through after they fly off and do real damage.

Plus, the old cars had good areas to be 'crushed' too whereas the spaceframe is quite solid.

[PLuto]

And Enni Mälkönen was the first co-driver to win in a Rally3 world championship.

And Sami Pajari was the first driver to win in a Rally3 world championship...

[PLuto]

It looks like Skoda are going with Stritesky who made some eye catching times in the Czech Championship early last year but at this stage Cais is definitely a more complete and impressive driver. I don't know if he wanted to not go the Skoda route or if Skoda wouldn't consider him because he drives with a Ford but it looks like a missed opportunity for them right now.. perhaps some Czech guys can fill us in?

For a long time Skoda was supporting mainly Kopecky and some northern drivers who brought the money. Then they have started with some dealers programme and last year support for few drivers was quite good, mainly in Czech championship. They have sent Dominik also to Catalunya, but this was way too early. Regarding Erik, there were not so many negotiations with Skoda. He is going through his career according to long-term plan, step by step. No need to have Skoda now...

[PLuto]

But most impressive for me was Cais’ consistency for a 1st time here. Even if he is too young for WRC-2 Open title (and too much-tarmac centered). Surprised to see best Czech prospect for a while against Skoda.

I am really happy with what Erik did in Monte. He was going exactly according to plan. Monte is not about to be fastest on the stages, but finish the rally. Always there is plenty of issues or crashes for other competitors. And his main target was to go through all stages and gain the experience. He was always doing his own speed concentrating on himself. On some stages where he believes they can suits him he was pushing little bit more and times were there. From the top of RC2 drivers he was only one who was without any troubles.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone hear the DF podcast about when Ogier swapped tyres on SS13 to all Softs to copy Loeb ?

If he had stuck with his original choice (2 studded/snow), like stage-winner Rovanpera used, he could've taken enough time there to win the rally...

[rallyfiend]

Anyone hear the DF podcast about when Ogier swapped tyres on SS13 to all Softs to copy Loeb ?

If he had stuck with his original choice (2 studded/snow), like stage-winner Rovanpera used, he could've taken enough time there to win the rally...

Also discussed here:

https://www.wrc.com/en/video/player/?videoId=1225749

[Fast Eddie WRC]

To be fair Ogier still took 21s out of Loeb on the same tyres. On the snow tyres he might've lost more on the long tarmac sections which he said he enjoyed a lot.

[gorganl2000]

Anyone hear the DF podcast about when Ogier swapped tyres on SS13 to all Softs to copy Loeb ?

If he had stuck with his original choice (2 studded/snow), like stage-winner Rovanpera used, he could've taken enough time there to win the rally...

i've heard it, and it makes for a speculative conversational piece. But a lot of "ifs" come into play in such situations, same as with his puncture, barrier contact, close to the slope edge, etc.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb changed no settings on the Puma during the the whole rally !

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-incredible-detail-that-showed-loebs-monte-brilliance/

[Mirek]

M-Sport released full stage onboard of Erik Cais from Sisteron, a stage which Erik won among all Rally2 drivers.
https://www.facebook.com/106632069379854/videos/265185355758975/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list