[WRC] Rallye Monte Carlo 2022

[WRCStan]

Kalle is stopped according to the live map, but Oliver passed him without issues it seems like.

Edit:

https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2022-News/WRC/January/Monte-Carlo/200121_Rovanpera_Stopped.jpg

Looks like he got a parking fine already.

[Norm75]

Only shakedown but maybe Loeb prefers/driving style suits cars with no active diff.

[rp]

Only shakedown but maybe Loeb prefers/driving style suits cars with no active diff.

The Masters are just on the different level! It does not matter if active diff or not...

[er88]

Worrying afternoon for the teams regarding the reliability issues, before we start tonight

[rp]

The reliability is not looking good indeed! Friday and Saturday without the service could be a nightmare for the Rally1 cars. :(

[Negaiss]

The Masters can tell what they want on the interviews -- "Ou, I just like to have fun bla bla , bla". But in reality, They just want to beat a crap out another and you can see it on a shakedown already !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-beats-loeb-on-first-shakedown-of-hybrid-era/

[tpt010]

Quick question... is it allowed to replace hybrid unit or any parts within the unit during the rally? Thank you.

[OHL]

Quick question... is it allowed to replace hybrid unit or any parts within the unit during the rally? Thank you.

From the sporting regs:

17.8 RESTRICTIONS ON HYBRID UNITS
17.8.1 For cars entered by Manufacturers for the purpose of scoring
points in the Manufacturers’ Championship, the use of hybrid
units per season (testing not included) without incurring a
penalty will be limited as follows:
- Each Manufacturer Team - 9 hybrid units per season
17.8.2 For all other Rally1 cars, one hybrid unit and one spare hybrid
unit may be used in each rally.
17.8.3 For all Rally1 cars, only one hybrid unit and one spare hybrid
unit may be used in each rally.
17.8.4 The spare components and those fitted to the car will be
marked/sealed at initial scrutineering.
17.8.5 Should the maximum number of hybrid units as defined in
17.8.1 be exceeded, a time penalty of 5 minutes will be
imposed when each additional hybrid unit is first registered at
pre-event scrutineering.

I understand the unit itself is sealed but it is okay to change it during the rally, however the number of units is limited as stated above.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pity there couldn't be a SD for some WRC2 drivers for reference. Will have to wait for the rally proper...

[EstWRC]

Nice work out for the drivers https://youtu.be/O_0JnQzYq2M

[seb_sh]

so far problems with the hybrids: Tanak, Katsuta?, Greensmith?, Rovanpera?

[EstWRC]

so far problems with the hybrids: Tanak, Katsuta?, Greensmith?, Rovanpera?

As I understand Tänak had problems with hybrid, Kalle with transmission, Taka had some kind of leak and two fords with power steering

[Päss1928]

Nice work out for the drivers https://youtu.be/O_0JnQzYq2M

I'm sorry but that just looks ridiculous.

[KKS]

didnt get a clue with the shakedown, seems the cars are quite equal and its up to drivers to make the differences

but it was such a short stage so we will be smarter later tonight + the problems for different drivers
And seems quite twisty stage so some cars mb didn't like this type of roads. So things can change on more speedy and flowing roads

[Sulland]

Nice work out for the drivers https://youtu.be/O_0JnQzYq2M

Is the servo gone?

[seb_sh]

Is the servo gone?

Seems that the servo is not working under only electric power which they have to do in the service park...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SD videos

https://youtu.be/KAAivx360qE

https://youtu.be/khq3GFVJ24c

[Sulland]

Seems that the servo is not working under only electric power which they have to do in the service park...

Maybe an electric servo then.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/ir4_P_Ueq84

Riviera video
https://youtu.be/XFD9Zl51NNk

[Rallyper]

4,5 hrs left for doing Pickems, guys!

[er88]

In a way I'm quite OK with this being a dry, essentially full tarmac Monte (besides 1 stage).

It should give us a better idea on performance compared to very tricky Monte's. The teams and drivers have enough to worry about in terms of hybrid/ reliability/ edgier new cars without sweating about the weather and tyre choices too.

[EstWRC]

Lights on the bonnet
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/8949973757250c237cfedb2828042299.jpg

[shaitan]

Lights on the bonnet
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/8949973757250c237cfedb2828042299.jpg

We did this on truck only lol

[EstWRC]

sick dogs on the road for Evans at 0.40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xxUE77Gjs

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJkKZUYXsAIDNho?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJj96oKXwAQ4_Mf?format=jpg&name=small

[WRCStan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJkKZUYXsAIDNho?format=jpg&name=small

G'won Gus!

[EstWRC]

Ott had only 3 cylinders during shakedown, they just showed the judges decision on estonian TV

[er88]

Did anyone's sound go weird on the intro credits and when they go to the graphics to show stages etc?

Edit - seems to be fixed

[AnttiL]

Everyone, have a great WRC season, let's enjoy this together!

[Rallyper]

Yeah. Agree. It´ll be really exciting watching these new machines. Will they pass the test in this rally?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJkTC3OXoAA69GA?format=jpg&name=medium

[er88]

Great start - no onboard so far ffs

[meh]

and let me guess, we don't have any splits before 1st is in the finish. Bets? :)

[Portimao]

What a fuck up

[er88]

Absolute tin pot operation

[MentalParadox]

Guess it's just Ogier's cam that's broken.

[er88]

Working now!

[meh]

and let me guess, we don't have any splits before 1st is in the finish. Bets? :)

whoa, we have split! We have an improvement!

[Essaj]

Kalle is no where near the start?

edit: just a gps error

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks a touch frosty.

[er88]

Ogier battering Evans and Neuville

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier bossing it here. Standard.

[MentalParadox]

Wow, Kalle even further down on split 1.

[meh]

Will it be battle of Kings or just Ogier's solo?

[RS]

Neuville looks visually slower, especially on onboards. Toyotas look more agile.

[er88]

Yeah Hyundai looks very sluggish. Although Neuville lost brakes and tyres a bit

[seb_sh]

these cars seem more exciting than I expected, the acceleration is impressive.

[MentalParadox]

Big gaps for a tarmac rally. Almost as if the stage surface is degrading.

[er88]

Kalle seemed slow + had issues on shakedown, and that trend has continued on ss1

[MentalParadox]

"Kalle, while parked here eager to leave, could you just explain how the entire hybrid system works real quick?"

This is why drivers hate stage end interviews.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle - 'Hybrid ? I just drive !'

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen started well.

[er88]

Ott doing an Ott thing and driving off

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak drove off... more issues ?

[Oliverk]

Looks like misfire

[EstWRC]

This started off well again…ffs

[Tauri_J]

Grumpy Tänak...nothing has changed lol

[meh]

Greensmith faster than Neuville and Tänak...

[MentalParadox]

Tanak drove off... more issues ?

I think he may be realizing how far behind Hyundai really is in terms of development and speed.

[er88]

Issues for Taka

[Tauri_J]

Greensmith faster than Neuville and Tänak...

Good for him

[EstWRC]

I think he may be realizing how far behind Hyundai really is in terms of development and speed.

Please stop it

He stopped already on liaison before first stage

There’s a problem

[er88]

Decent enough Craigy Breen

[MentalParadox]

Please stop it
No, I don't think I will.

Anyway, interesting how many people are having issues with one 12-minute stage. Could be a real rally of attrition.

[er88]

This is very nice from Gus

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen really happy with the car. :)

[MentalParadox]

Craig is such a wholesome person. Must be a pleasure working with such an appreciative driver.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job Gus !

[EstWRC]

Awesome Gus

[seb_sh]

about Hyundai performance, let's see, even a "village team" managed to win their 2nd ever rally in WRC, anything can happen :P

[PLuto]

Greensmith faster than Neuville and Tänak...

Gus on 4 supersoft, as only one from Rally1

[itix]

The Ford is quick!

Great news for the season!

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[meh]

. o O ( is it only me who sees Breen still driving for Hyundai in WRC+ maps view? )

[EstWRC]

Damage limitation for Neuville and Tänak today.

Next stage even longer with their problems

[seb_sh]

Solberg seems very hesitant

[RS]

Please stop it

He stopped already on liaison before first stage

There’s a problem

Sure? All the Hyundais seem pretty slow, Tanak not THAT far behind Neuville.

[becher]

I doubt the hybrid graphic is accurate, but I think the battery was shown to be more empty towards the end with Fourmaux then with others.

[er88]

Very decent from Oliver considering he couldn't hear the notes!!

[EstWRC]

Sure? All the Hyundais seem pretty slow, Tanak not THAT far behind Neuville.

Thierry said his brakes were gone

Ott didn’t even give an interview and he was stopped on liaison before first stage for a long time

Oliver didn’t hear notes

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is why M-Sport wanted him here. Class Seb Loeb.

[er88]

Any you French know what Seb said there to Isabelle

[seb_sh]

Any you French know what Seb said there to Isabelle

i bet it was "i'm going to teach these kids a lesson"

[MentalParadox]

What an animal. Absolute legend.

[er88]

Mikkelsen all over the place there. Weird line

[Jewy46]

I reckon conditions were worse for Loeb there, more icy than what Ogier had!

This has the makings of a battle for the ages between the 2 masters

[dimviii]

Maestro did it again. What a driver....

[becher]

Loeb is just amazing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice run Gryazin !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Camilli !!!

[er88]

Camilli with a massive time despite no bite in the brakes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram real slow !?

E: Gearbox issue - stuck in 3rd gear. :(

[René]

Any you French know what Seb said there to Isabelle

"Loeb says we are parked at the arrival!"

I guess the notes didn't fall as he hoped :)

[steve.mandzij]

Ingram real slow !?And you are surprised?

Oh had a gearbox problem, nvm

[doubled1978]

Impressed with Greensmith.

[dimviii]

"Loeb says we are parked at the arrival!"

I guess the notes didn't fall as he hoped :)

On French forum they wrote that she was reading the notes too fast for him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJke-szXwAcdurq?format=jpg&name=medium

[René]

It can't be easy for her, a lot of pressure. She's going to need some time to adjust.

[krissucool]

So, season over for Ott and Hyundai? Was nice till it lasted. See you next year guys.

[becher]

On French forum they wrote that she was reading the notes too fast for him.

To be honest I thought it doesn't sound as calm as with Elena.

[Lead]

So, season over for Ott and Hyundai? Was nice till it lasted. See you next year guys.

What?? :D

[dimviii]

Loix very slow,any info?

[er88]

Ogier just looks to be driving so well and confident from this onboard

[René]

Welcome Mister Loeb !

Credit photo: Tapio Lehtonen

[rp]

So, season over for Ott and Hyundai? Was nice till it lasted. See you next year guys.

Do you think that Ott is driving Toyota or Ford?

[dimviii]

Happy Malcolm
https://twitter.com/MSportLtd/status/1484255331119255554

[dimviii]

Welcome Mister Loeb !


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJkmJgAXoAI5GTs?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not even a stage-side camera at Turini... :(

[dimviii]

spectators welcome to Maestro
https://youtu.be/4lkl9POsZGM

[Tauri_J]

Kalle awfully slow

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle slow again.

[dimviii]

Evans now close to Ogier

[Fide]

Anxious to see Loeb splits

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Better from Neuville on this one... but not for long. Maybe hybrid or brakes..

E: No trust in the car.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Better from Neuville on this one... but not for long. Maybe hybrid or brakes..

E: No trust in the car.

And a possible gearbox issue - loosing oil

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Engine & hydraulic issue for Tanak

[EstWRC]

Tänak:”the list is long”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux fast at Split 1

Still going well at Split3...

[Ds3]

It seems the two Sebs are doing Monte 2022 while the rest are back at Monza..

[MentalParadox]

Very, very impressed with Gus. Didn't see that coming.

[the sniper]

A bit of showmanship cost young Solberg there?! :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent evening's work Gus !!

[EstWRC]

Get in Gus!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux well on it this stage. Also really loves the Puma downhill. :)

[MentalParadox]

Sounds like both young guns Gus and Adrien really love the way the cars drive. Explains their speed.

[RS]

Kalle must have some technical problem, barely any quicker than Rally2 cars?

[MentalParadox]

Loeb is Loeb'ing

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Three in the Top 5 - what a night for M-Sport and the Puma, all of their driver's love it !

”We have been waiting two years for this car. I said to Jonas earlier, this car is f****** brilliant."

[EstWRC]

awful evening for Hyundai, great one for Ford.

[MentalParadox]

Mikkelsen beats Kalle despite being a category down...

[Fide]

Loeb is Loeb'ing

Master of the Universe !!! Without any preparation from Dakar to WRC without scales !

[Lead]

What happened to Gryazin?

[cali]

Is there anyone now still not convinced that Seb Loeb is the greatest rally driver ever? Wow, just wow!

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[cali]

awful evening for Hyundai, great one for Ford.Expected, unfortunately

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[becher]

Is there anyone now still not convinced thad Seb Loeb is the greatest rally driver ever? Wow, just wow!

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In terms of pure getting in a car and just driving it, I don't think there has ever been someone as talanted as him.

[dimviii]

Loeb very fast at downhill

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen the slowest of the M-Sport's - who'd have guessed that ?

[doubled1978]

Expected, unfortunately

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Yes, we feared they were behind, now we know for sure.

[MentalParadox]

Interesting: Ford's "part-time crew" Loeb/Fourmaux are beating the "full timers" Breen/Greensmith across the board.

[mknight]

Quite a few shockers this evening, and Loeb being 2nd isn't even one of them.

- Fastest Hyundai 6th ( not that much of a shocker)
- Breen slowest Puma
- Rovanpera slowest WRC, behind R5s (definitely biggest (bad) surprise)

[René]

Seb Ogier "Right now it's hard to know where we stand, we're still trying things with the car. I'm glad we got to the end of tonight, it's always a challenge."

[René]

https://www.wrc.com/?proxy=redaktion/Season-2022-News/WRC/January/Monte-Carlo/Gryazin-Fire.png

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram still not started SS2 ?

[dimviii]

Interesting: Ford's "part-time crew" Loeb/Fourmaux are beating the "full timers" Breen/Greensmith across the board.

i would say it a bit different.
The two fastest drivers (till now at least) will not do the whole championship.

[EstWRC]

i will wait until tomorrow night to make some conclusions

i cant believe some of you are making them already after 2 stages

[Andre Oliveira]

Interesting: Ford's "part-time crew" Loeb/Fourmaux are beating the "full timers" Breen/Greensmith across the board.

Fourmaux will do all rallies.

[Eli]

Breen the slowest of the M-Sport's - who'd have guessed that ?

Well, I wasn’t expecting him to come charging out of the box tbh, after all he hasn’t done Monte since 2018, different car, different tyres, it was always going to be a challenge. Besides Loeb has won the event how many times? And both Greensmith & Fourmaux have competed here for the past two years, and you can tell how much those experiences makes a difference.

[RS]

Ingram still not started SS2 ?

Through but still with problems it looks like. Hopefully fixed for tomorrow.

[Eli]

awful evening for Hyundai, great one for Ford.

Hopefully they’ll get those teething problems out before Sweden and hopefully, fingers crossed we won’t see a reply of 2021 for them. As for Ford, I think I heard Richard saying in the interview they’ve been preparing this for the last 18 months so I think we should be pretty glad it seems to have worked out for them, but as you mentioned, early days.

[René]

Finally, when we look at the ranking tonight, there are 17 world championships ahead and the rest behind. Nothing illogical!

[doubled1978]

Quite a few shockers this evening, and Loeb being 2nd isn't even one of them.

- Fastest Hyundai 6th ( not that much of a shocker)
- Breen slowest Puma
- Rovanpera slowest WRC, behind R5s (definitely biggest (bad) surprise)

I think Breen was being a little cautious tonight, not entirely a surprise all things considered.
Rovanpera’s comment about not being able to cope with understeer is a bit of a worry.

[mknight]

Rovanpera’s comment about not being able to cope with understeer is a bit of a worry.

Yes he sounded quite hopeless.
He drove the Fabia R5 a lot though and that one supposedly has understeering nature. Hopefully he can adapt.

[Sulland]

A bit of showmanship cost young Solberg there?! :D

What did he do?

[MentalParadox]

What did he do?

Half-spin at the peak of Turini.

[AnttiL]

Last night I was speechless.

The two retired Sebs, awesome, especially for Loeb to just come from Dakar and a year off WRC. And we were ready to write him off after the Hyundai years.

The Fords were amazing, I'm so happy to see them back at the pace. And nice to see Greensmith so high on the stage times although he had different tyres. In fact Breen was slightly disappointing by being the slowest one. Fourmaux doing more or less what I expected.

As for Toyota, it seems the car is fast but doesn't fit Kalle's driving style. As he said at the end of SS2 it understeers and it's difficult for him. Hopefully he can learn to change his style quickly (as he has done before) or they can do something about the setup (now with no centre diff it's difficult to make changes). Also interesting that they've agreed to do the whole year with that diff setup that's so hard for him, the must have noticed this time loss on the tests? But apparently it fits Elfyn (and Seb) better. Based on what happened with Citroen in 2019, this setup will not fit Esapekka.

Hyundais...they were the slowest but then again all cars had issues. Hopefully they can get the package together, shakedown pace was promising but like I said, it was a very slow stage so it didn't tell anything about corners with higher speed, long straights, big accelerations and brakings.

And finally, none of the cars retired! And Rally2 cars didn't win stages!

PS: I won a beer from Miika Wuorela because back in May (when Compact Dynamics pulled back their hybrid units from tests) he wanted to bet big money on Rally1 hybrid cars not happening in 2022. I agreed but I said I never gamble on bigger bets than "a beer" so that's what we agreed on. :D

[cali]

Miika now been proven wrong on many cases he predicted ;)

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[EstWRC]

Don’t get your hopes high with Hyundai Antti

Tänak saying to Estonian media that the car just isn’t ready yet and they knew that coming to Monte and he is happy that he survived yesterday. Also says that there’s lack of parts and they can’t set the car like they want to for such a dry monte. Hoped they can fix the bigger problems overnight and keep the car going to get the data

Gonna be another tough year for Estonians i guess

[AnttiL]

Yeah, just saying that we don't yet know the performance of the car since they all had some issues.

They could also have the same lack of spare parts as Suninen mentioned about the Rally2 car, the pandemic makes everything slower. For example, getting spare derailleurs for normal bikes has been difficult, everything is sold out and warehouse stocks empty. I can only imagine how it is for something more specialized.

[TypeR]

The lack of parts etc sound a bit bs.. One of the biggest car manus in the world and can't set up/build 3-5 race cars + spare parts?

It's not like they have to build tens of them every week.

Tänak: ,,We cannot be completely disappointed with the first day. We made it through both stages.''

That can't be what he or any champion racedriver really thinks..
It's a disaster tbh.

Impressive how they keep themselves motivated. Let's only hope they can(all Hyundais) recover and get their stuff together in the team.

[EstWRC]

TypeR, Antti just explained the lack of parts thing

Tänak mentioned it already during that long interview last week

It’s not that manufactures are super men and they get only the parts and others not

[TypeR]

I know the lack of parts thing in the world.
And I also said that building so few cars by such a manufacturer can't/shouldn't be a problem.

[denkimi]

TypeR, Antti just explained the lack of parts thing

Tänak mentioned it already during that long interview last week

It’s not that manufactures are super men and they get only the parts and others not
They kinda are. They have huge budgets, connections and especially leverage.

For example, the lack of chips should be a problem if you need a million of them cheaply, not if you need a few dozens.

Everything is still available if you need only small quantities, just harder and more expensive to come by.

[AnttiL]

Also it makes a difference if you can wait for a month or two for something to be shipped from the other side of the world

[seb_sh]

I think Hyundai have been in crysis mode since they started developing the car too late and what we see comes from that. Still it's not horribly slow so far. If they can get it sorted by Portugal not all is lost.

[EstWRC]

I just want that they could do at least some stages today without problems to see what speed they have

[AnttiL]

BTW was Thierry running without hybrid on SS2? The telemetry said so.

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/47194c8189130a97b253aa4d9774ca7a.jpg

[er88]

Tanak made a horrible decision leaving Toyota when on top, but having had a bad two years at Hyundai and then signing a new multi year contract on the back of that, could arguably prove to be an even bigger mistake....

Let's hope for Tanak and Neuville that Hyundai can recover this situation and it's just a case of increasing the development - through more parts being available/ designed and hopefully lots of appearances at local rallies to ramp up the testing.

Let's hope they can have some trouble free stages today and show a bit more pace.

[EstWRC]

BTW was Thierry running without hybrid on SS2? The telemetry said so.

I remember Estonian commentators saying also that he used it weirdly or something like that

[spyros]

Tanak made a horrible decision leaving Toyota when on top, but having had a bad two years at Hyundai and then signing a new multi year contract on the back of that, could arguably prove to be an even bigger mistake....

Let's hope for Tanak and Neuville that Hyundai can recover this situation and it's just a case of increasing the development - through more parts being available/ designed and hopefully lots of appearances at local rallies to ramp up the testing.

Let's hope they can have some trouble free stages today and show a bit more pace.



Dont forget that Ott was very fast last year and he won most stages,I'm sure they will be back.

[Rallyper]

Mornin´

Good day ahead.

[spyros]

I believe that Loeb can catch Ogier at first loop

[AnttiL]

Today's stages are easier than yesterdays, and with some faster sections (SS3 one of the fastest/smoothest/widest in this rally)

[Rallyper]

And it´s not dark, which would´ve harmed Loeb more yesterday evening (age)

[EstWRC]

Lucky there Seb again

[Rallyper]

Ogier going wide 500 m from finish!!

[Essaj]

Looks slippery. Ogier with quite a moment towards the end :eek:

[Rallyper]

Damage looks exact the same on both Toyotas... :)

[meh]

Damage looks exact the same on both Toyotas... :)

Hyundai (last year version) could lose half of the rear for those impacts.

[Rallyper]

TN describes his car as "a nightmare" "never been so scared in my life..."

[MentalParadox]

Devastating comment from Thierry. They don't seem ready.

[MentalParadox]

Ott says hybrid not working, dead weight he's carrying in the car. lol. corpos at WRC promoter and FIA won't like that

[EstWRC]

Not a bad time from Ott without the hybrid

[Norm75]

Gus starting to look quite good

[EstWRC]

Breen just 0.3 faster than Ott with no problems

Gus has lost a lot in spl2

[Rallyper]

Gus starting to look quite good

One must feel happy for him, honestly.

(Not only bcs of swedish co-driver, that is...)

[Norm75]

One must feel happy for him, honestly.

(Not only bcs of swedish co-driver, that is...)
Moment before the finish there! I’ll keep quiet now lol

[MentalParadox]

Yes, I'm sure the improved pace comes from his co-driver being Swedish. His stage didn't end so well, though. Maybe a wrong note? Must be that Swedish co-driver.

[MentalParadox]

RIP Fourmaux.

[ouvreur]

RIP Fourmaux.

That's a bit excessive...

[MentalParadox]

Loeb still Loeb'ing

[DoN_cz]

RIP Fourmaux.

dont do that. not everyone is watching and knows what exactly is going on.

[MentalParadox]

That's a bit excessive...

Excessive? He rolled and he's out of the car. Unless he makes it into the top 50, that's a DNF.

[ouvreur]

Excessive? He rolled and he's out of the car. Unless he makes it into the top 50, that's a DNF.

DNF, yes. RIP? Come on now. Not everyone is watching live.

[MentalParadox]

dont do that. not everyone is watching and knows what exactly is going on.

It's a figure of speech... kinda common in English internet parliance. I think you guys need to relax a little. You're sounding like a bunch of clueless boomers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Seb Loeb !!

[ouvreur]

It's a figure of speech... kinda common in English internet parliance. I think you guys need to relax a little.

In a sport like this, it's really not appropriate. Not trying to provoke you or start an argument, but having been at events where competitors have paid the ultimate price, I don't think you (or anyone else) should use expressions like that, where 'DNF' or 'big one' would do the job.

[Norm75]

It's a figure of speech... kinda common in English internet parliance. I think you guys need to relax a little. You're sounding like a bunch of clueless boomers.

Well I’m English and I don’t read people type that in a sport where someone can quite easily be killed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bad Puma damage. :(

[Rallyper]

MSporters are good mechanics but this one (Fourmaux) isn´t going to run anymore this rally...

[René]

The puma has taken out its fangs....

[erikli2]

That Puma wasnt pretty, but this might be how rolled Rally1-cars will look like now since they have a different chassis structures etc.

[MentalParadox]

Anyone who's spent longer than a day on Twitter or read YouTube comments knows "RIP" can mean anything from "a guy stubbed his toe" to "that guy's argument got destroyed". You're being hysterical.
I will not comment on this subject any more, this is a ridiculous thing to argue about

[er88]

Fourmaux setting good pace before that massive off.

He's a top prospect, no doubt.

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/ed18df6785e16a682047e07517b0449a.jpg

[Rallyper]

Yes, I'm sure the improved pace comes from his co-driver being Swedish. His stage didn't end so well, though. Maybe a wrong note? Must be that Swedish co-driver.

Should´ve written "...not bcs of..." Because clearly it was only GG I was happy about. Honest.

[svstock]

LEGO™
https://i.imgur.com/ApnzpHw.png

[doubled1978]

Silly from Formaux, just didn’t need to push so hard so early. I’m a fan of him, but this was silly mistake at this point.

[ouvreur]

Sorry, no. Just because twelve year olds on gaming channels on YouTube or the long-term unemployed Twitter cave-dwellers use it, doesn't mean it's appropriate in this context. Nobody ever actually died losing a Twitter 'debate'. In a rally accident, is a completely different proposition. Please don't do that.

[EstWRC]

Anyone who's spent longer than a day on Twitter or read YouTube comments know "RIP" can mean anything from "a guy stubbed his toe" to "that guy's argument got destroyed". You're being hysterical.
I will not comment on this subject any more, this is a ridiculous thing to argue about

I have been a long time in Twitter and also on YouTube and haven’t seen RIP used like that

And what are you ? A 5 year old? Stupid comments all the way since yesterday

[Norm75]

Anyone who's spent longer than a day on Twitter or read YouTube comments know "RIP" can mean anything from "a guy stubbed his toe" to "that guy's argument got destroyed". You're being hysterical.
I will not comment on this subject any more, this is a ridiculous thing to argue about
And a lot of people a lot of the time call people a twat. I’ll say no more.

[cali]

I have been a long time in Twitter and also on YouTube and haven’t seen RIP used like that

And what are you ? A 5 year old? Stupid comments all the way since yesterdayWell the guy is Mental :D

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Think these car panels come off easier from the chassis and make crashes look worse.

[jonkka]

Think these car panels come off easier from the chassis and make crashes look worse.

Indeed, that's a spaceframe accident for you, panels all over the landscape and a skeleton of a car. On the upside, car is also easier to fix if frame and internal components just survived the roll.

[EstWRC]

A stage win for Ford!

[AnttiL]

Fourmaux's Puma is looking a bit like Vatanen's car in Argentina 1985. Although nice that the safety equipment has come a long way.

[wyler]

Anyone who's spent longer than a day on Twitter or read YouTube comments know "RIP" can mean anything from "a guy stubbed his toe" to "that guy's argument got destroyed". You're being hysterical.
I will not comment on this subject any more, this is a ridiculous thing to argue about

nope. ur being just childish.

[rpzcs]

Think these car panels come off easier from the chassis and make crashes look worse.

Yeah about that. Definitely the damage looks worse than than it really is. I started to think about branches, trees and stumps. If the bodywork (especially doors) come off so easy then there is nothing that can stop these kind of things penetrating the cabin. But lets hope that FIA knows what they are doing and the regulations have taken this in consideration.

[Mackie]

Somebody found a video of the crash?

[MentalParadox]

And a lot of people a lot of the time call people a twat. I’ll say no more.

I called no one a twat. In fact, I insulted no one.

[MentalParadox]

nope. ur being just childish.

Says the guy getting his panties in a twist over a single word that wasn't even an insult and wasn't even aimed at you.

Also, it's "you are".

[rpzcs]

Somebody found a video of the crash?

https://twitter.com/PHN16/status/1484448233820758018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1484448233820758018%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimees.ee%2Fembed%2Fl iveblog%2F15762%3Farticle_id%3D7432493

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/91d3432a43325e1392c18f7f9d32d0e2.jpg

[AMSS]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/91d3432a43325e1392c18f7f9d32d0e2.jpg

Looks like the rollcage is bent at least between he rear strut towers so probably game over than

[bandit12]

I called no one a twat. In fact, I insulted no one.
Shut up allready, Boris

[Salist]

Somebody found a video of the crash?. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1271787586560071&ref=sharing.

[jonkka]

Wheels seem to be intact, must have taken the initial impact and armco roll into chassis instead of wheels.

EDIT: Having seen the facebook video, seems Fourmaux rolled straight over the armco after having catapulted off from the slope.

[Sulland]

RIP Fourmaux.

So what did you mean with your comment then?
Pls explain us golden oldie boomers.

[becher]

Last night I was speechless.

The two retired Sebs, awesome, especially for Loeb to just come from Dakar and a year off WRC. And we were ready to write him off after the Hyundai years.

The Fords were amazing, I'm so happy to see them back at the pace. And nice to see Greensmith so high on the stage times although he had different tyres. In fact Breen was slightly disappointing by being the slowest one. Fourmaux doing more or less what I expected.

As for Toyota, it seems the car is fast but doesn't fit Kalle's driving style. As he said at the end of SS2 it understeers and it's difficult for him. Hopefully he can learn to change his style quickly (as he has done before) or they can do something about the setup (now with no centre diff it's difficult to make changes). Also interesting that they've agreed to do the whole year with that diff setup that's so hard for him, the must have noticed this time loss on the tests? But apparently it fits Elfyn (and Seb) better. Based on what happened with Citroen in 2019, this setup will not fit Esapekka.

Hyundais...they were the slowest but then again all cars had issues. Hopefully they can get the package together, shakedown pace was promising but like I said, it was a very slow stage so it didn't tell anything about corners with higher speed, long straights, big accelerations and brakings.

And finally, none of the cars retired! And Rally2 cars didn't win stages!

PS: I won a beer from Miika Wuorela because back in May (when Compact Dynamics pulled back their hybrid units from tests) he wanted to bet big money on Rally1 hybrid cars not happening in 2022. I agreed but I said I never gamble on bigger bets than "a beer" so that's what we agreed on. :D

If it really is such an understeering car there team principal might be quite fast in it.

[jonkka]

Evans faster than Ogier...

[EstWRC]

Nice split from Thierry, just 0.2 down from evans

[René]

Wheels seem to be intact, must have taken the initial impact and armco roll into chassis instead of wheels.

EDIT: Having seen the facebook video, seems Fourmaux rolled straight over the armco after having catapulted off from the slope.

Exactly https://twitter.com/Motorsport_FR/status/1484456858098319363?s=20

[TypeR]

from estonian friend - Tanak's PR guy said, that even all the hybrid packs can be a bit different and some work better, some not so good. + there seem to be problems getting new hybrid packs/systems from the manufacturer.
Others have also had issues and changed them.
Sounds promising!

[RS]

I just signed up for AllLive and watching SS4.. do they not use a helicopter much? Disappointing to have only onboards on this stage.

[meh]

I just signed up for AllLive and watching SS4.. do they not use a helicopter much? Disappointing to have only onboards on this stage.

It depends on region, weather, and 100 more things

[Rallyper]

Quick learners, aren´t they. All started from zero, now we see who are the top dogs...

[ouvreur]

Hyundai are either more comfortable going uphill, or have smoothed out some of the bugs in the system...

[EstWRC]

Very good second half of stage from Tänak.

The Hyundai is moving!

[RS]

It depends on region, weather, and 100 more things

Well it's not too cloudy or foggy today.. hope for more from other stages.

[bomber21]

https://youtu.be/xTvImA_iTBo

Great atmosphere from the fans!!! This is what brings fans to a sport.

[AnttiL]

This is an angular, very hybrid favourable stage. Long accelerations and heavy brakings.

Also it seems the surface is more consistently slippery so it favours Hyundais, even Rovanperä said it's more comfortable to drive on slippery.

[AnttiL]

If it really is such an understeering car there team principal might be quite fast in it.

Really? I thought he would also have problems with it...

[Rallyper]

The Master has spoken again...

[jonkka]

How many picked Loeb to win (in pickems)? :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Total Legend !

[denkimi]

Quick learners, aren´t they. All started from zero, now we see who are the top dogs...
Especially noticeable is how slow the two golden sons of are.

Getting beaten by katsuta, greensmith and loeb is not good when you want to become champion one day.

[Rallyper]

Especially noticeable is how slow the two golden sons of are.

Getting beaten by katsuta, greensmith and loeb is not good when you want to become champion one day.

One has no confidence. The other had technical issues and in RMC to learn....

[Danny0405]

One point to remember: Monte Carlo, even dryer that usual, is a special rally and it is too early to think it will be representative of the quality of the car in a season, all the more with the 7-out-of 8 gravel rallie series between Portugal and New Zealand that can change the situation. And Sweden also is special so difficult to have a real opinion before having at least one standard tarmac and one standard gravel rally (so Portugal or Sardinia).

The system is all new and they can improve things: for example, Hyundai’s leaders are close from M-Sport drivers (except Loeb) now so the car might not be that bad (okay, Hyundai’s driver are better also but probably Hyundai’s preparation was slighter so the improvement margin through the season is higher). Probably M-Sport is higher to their final version (I mean by this when you reach the level where no major evolution is forecasted for the rest of the season) than the others considering their strategy.

In 2017, after two rallyes (MC and Sweden), JML was the championship leader

[denkimi]

Loeb showing his talent.

I feel the ford could be the best car out of the box here.