88. Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo 2020

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb slow start..

[EstWRC]

it looked far worse from outside IMO

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi having a push.

[KKS]

Looks like Loeb got another spin/problem at the beginning

[TypeR]

Lappi taking a lot of time off Loeb

[EstWRC]

cmon Lappi! finally showing what i expected

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Finally EP comes alive.

[KKS]

ohoooohh Evans split!

[TypeR]

Finally EP comes alive.

not yet with emotions :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Elfyn !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb saving tyres too much.

[KKS]

Not well split for Ogier. Evans pointing for rejoin a leadership

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Evans !!

[KKS]

Oh, soooo excited !!!! Battles!!!

[KKS]

incredible

[Katvala]

No words

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[Portimao]

I never expected Evans to be so fast. Fiesta and M-Sport was slowing down his career so much.

[RS]

not yet with emotions :D

What do you expect? He is Finnish.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

EE smsshed it !

[BigWorm]

Excellent Elfyn

[TypeR]

Evans leading again, 4.8s ahead of Ogier

[RS]

Not bad times from Greensmith today. Yesterday’s mistake was amateurish but I don’t get the criticism.. no Greensmith and no third Fiesta, simple as that.

[dimviii]

Αmazing pace from Evans!

[cali]

Greensmith is okay and I don't see him as a problem at all.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not bad times from Greensmith today. Yesterday’s mistake was amateurish but I don’t get the criticism.. no Greensmith and no third Fiesta, simple as that.

5th fastest on that one is no disgrace.

[mknight]

I never expected Evans to be so fast. Fiesta and M-Sport was slowing down his career so much.

Me neither.

Was it the Fiesta slowing him down? (in 2018 Ogier won the title in it...)
or is it that anyone is fast in Yaris? (look at Meeke and Latvala last year, they were top 3 fast almost everywhere)

A bit of both?

Agree that this kind of discussion will go on forever.


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First good time from Lappi

[EstWRC]

WRC+ has longer Onboard.. should have cut the end part tho.
Ott says he can't breathe couple of times while getting out of the car..

watched it too now, quite horrible, Tänak has no breath at all after landing, barely can speak and say it to Martin....but thats totally normal after such a big hits to your body

[KKS]

Camilli with 'safe' no push run - still fastest

[Alex009]

Fiesta and M-Sport was slowing down his career so much.

So Greensmith have to be much better driver than Rovanpera? Stupid comparison between the cars, especially in Monte.

[denkimi]

So Greensmith have to be much better driver than Rovanpera? Stupid comparison between the cars, especially in Monte.
They are all on the same tyres in the same conditions today, so there is nothing stupid about comparing them.

[arx]

Me neither.

or is it that anyone is fast in Yaris? (look at Meeke and Latvala last year, they were top 3 fast almost everywhere)



Yep, seems like everybody with above average talent and without mistakes throughout the season can be world champion with Yaris. :D

[Alex009]

They are all on the same tyres in the same conditions today, so there is nothing stupid about comparing them.

Greensmith faster than Rovanpera on slower car, so Greensmith is much better driver than Kalle. I like your logic.

[dimviii]

Solberg with some kind of problem,read at French forum something like bend rear wheel

[KKS]

Looks like it's over for Oliver
edit: +13min not over till it's over

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPHZN99X4AIP5qR?format=jpg&name=small
no doubt why heavier right side more down to ground :D Go Danos! )))

[EstWRC]

Tänak had max speed 188km/h (according to wrc plus) before the corners, 172km/h around that first and second bump (he has only incar cam so i cant get the exact places compared to others)

Evans 182km/h before spectators but i see the spectators are showing him to slow down so after that 160km/h but i dont know if he did that because of them or not

Ogier has 185km/ little bit before that place, again spectators showing with hands to slow down, he does to 168km/h but man, has a veeery hairy moment too, lucky i would say

Neuville also 180km/h before spectators but he clearly sees them and then slows down to 130km/h after

Suninen hasnt got the spectators there because he was first one, but again around that spectators place 180km/h and 160km/h something exactly on that spot were the bumps were and has a lucky escape as we have seen from youtube vid.

Same story for Lappi as Suninen speedwise and Janne is laughing after they have a moment there, lol


wha i want to say is thank god the spectators were there and showed to slow down for othres, without them there might have been even more crashes

[denkimi]

Greensmith faster than Rovanpera on slower car, so Greensmith is much better driver than Kalle. I like your logic.
You must be a master in jumping to conclusions.

[EstWRC]

first interviews in to estonian media with Ott and Martin

they havent had a chance to make deep analysis yet. the car was okay, Ott says it was something he just couldnt see ahead when making recce and were taken out by surprise.

interview to wrc.com https://www.wrc.com/en/editor-tree/season-2020/wrc/tanak-crash-interview-rallye-monte-carlo/?fbclid=IwAR2LtY8KeBZZnRK_fPRH6CzAUH7c-YwaMaO56mrViNmaJMTF2K-XiexBsNE

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82794665_3302334549782656_2602700939575951360_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeFGWoI9K9aO80J5evLEVz5b1dxpxM5ITRXV6ln16 kt2ztmHfLTsjIF9lDEiLcTq2TYbN__WCtfa24C1J4BFxezGqhp F8DGasObDjLRCgNjMQQ&_nc_oc=AQkHuO-7BPAu_ysCVlUhiskVVeC5YTO2Ks5NE6Nh_IGgIS5tUUjyxVg73 Wz4FSvoSUc&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=37ecff5139adc15a87e79167d2f9123c&oe=5ED7CFC2

[RS]

^^^ Red Bull athlete.

[486]

Tänak had max speed 188km/h (according to wrc plus) before the corners, 172km/h around that first and second bump (he has only incar cam so i cant get the exact places compared to others)

Evans 182km/h before spectators but i see the spectators are showing him to slow down so after that 160km/h but i dont know if he did that because of them or not

Ogier has 185km/ little bit before that place, again spectators showing with hands to slow down, he does to 168km/h but man, has a veeery hairy moment too, lucky i would say

Neuville also 180km/h before spectators but he clearly sees them and then slows down to 130km/h after

Suninen hasnt got the spectators there because he was first one, but again around that spectators place 180km/h and 160km/h something exactly on that spot were the bumps were and has a lucky escape as we have seen from youtube vid.

Same story for Lappi as Suninen speedwise and Janne is laughing after they have a moment there, lol


wha i want to say is thank god the spectators were there and showed to slow down for othres, without them there might have been even more crashes

Thank you.

How it does compare with the second pass to the stage? Thanks.

In the second pass Loeb got a heavy suspension bounce up on the rear, although in control all the time. The day before Thierry commented his car to be a less stiff set up than his team mates.

[dimviii]

Rubén Pérez
@RubnPerez
Good news.

After spending the night under observation in the hospital after his accident yesterday, Ott Tänak has already been discharged. #RallyeMonteCarlo


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIG72GXUAATK1r?format=jpg&name=medium



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPH5BUQW4AEjm9j?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[dimviii]

Elena trolling their slowness

Daniel Elena
@DanosElena
Recce tour completed
✔️
Strongly the start of this third stage

https://twitter.com/DanosElena/status/1221032304186941441

[dimviii]

nice spot
https://twitter.com/brievesrallye/status/1220781707915296770

[Crazy J]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPFd9skWAAEefsC?format=png&name=900x900

Any calculations where the car would had ended up without chopping that tree?

[dimviii]

Loeb

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIABi_X0AEjqOt?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

day 3 flat out at 176 km/h
https://youtu.be/Upmn9TQSIQ8

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
·
28s
#Tyre info - SS11 & SS12

Ogier/Evans/Neuville/Loeb: 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS)

Rovanperä/Greensmith: 4SS + 2 MICHELIN pilot Alpin A4
Katsuta Takamoto 4SS + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin A4CL (Studded)

Suninen/Lappi: 6SS

[486]

Tänak had max speed 188km/h (according to wrc plus) before the corners, 172km/h around that first and second bump (he has only incar cam so i cant get the exact places compared to others)

Evans 182km/h before spectators but i see the spectators are showing him to slow down so after that 160km/h but i dont know if he did that because of them or not

Ogier has 185km/ little bit before that place, again spectators showing with hands to slow down, he does to 168km/h but man, has a veeery hairy moment too, lucky i would say

Neuville also 180km/h before spectators but he clearly sees them and then slows down to 130km/h after

Suninen hasnt got the spectators there because he was first one, but again around that spectators place 180km/h and 160km/h something exactly on that spot were the bumps were and has a lucky escape as we have seen from youtube vid.

Same story for Lappi as Suninen speedwise and Janne is laughing after they have a moment there, lol


wha i want to say is thank god the spectators were there and showed to slow down for othres, without them there might have been even more crashes


Any calculations where the car would had ended up without chopping that tree?

Actually I counted five; two of then thick.

[mknight]

Solberg damage coming to service:
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/status/1221051174406754304

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Moment for Suninen.

[dimviii]

Rovanpera
https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1221057374674472960

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport
@Michelin_Sport
·
7m
#tyre info WRC2/WRC3 - SS11 & SS12

Østberg: 4SS 2NA00
Fourmaux: 4SS 2NA00CL
Yates: 4SS 2NA00CL
Bonato: 4SS 2NA00
Camilli: 4SS 2NA00CL
Ciamin: 4SS 2NA00CL
Rossel: 4SS 2NA00CL
Scandola: 4SS 2NA00CL

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPISr5AX4AInmVb?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Taka goes fastest so far !

[AnttiL]

Katsuta faster than Suninen and Greensmith!

[steve.mandzij]

Suninen making a fool of himself, slower than Katsuta of all people.

[AnttiL]

Suninen making a fool of himself, slower than Katsuta of all people.

No, Katsuta just had a very good stage. Suninen's pace (with few seconds lost on the moment) were on his level of the whole weekend compared to Rovanperä and Greensmith.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Lappi !!

[steve.mandzij]

No, Katsuta just had a very good stage. Suninen's pace (with few seconds lost on the moment) were on his level of the whole weekend compared to Rovanperä and Greensmith.But Suninen should be faster than a rookie, a pay driver and a Japanese poster child three years after his WRC debut.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb just steady to ensure Manu points ?

[er88]

But Suninen should be faster than a rookie, a pay driver and a Japanese poster child three years after his WRC debut.Yep. He's driven very poorly this weekend

[AnttiL]

Yep. He's driven very poorly this weekend

This is true. Monte is not a good rally for him at all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville was on a good push as you could see from the body language of his car... pretty on the limit.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier on it too... great battle !

[TypeR]

Ogier and Evans same time overall :D

[krissucool]

Stage end girl!?!?!!?

Max gringe.

[Katvala]

What on earth was that question to Evans

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

1-2 are level on time o/a ... wow !

[TypeR]

What on earth was that question to Evans

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verbal diarrhea..

[KKS]

Must be a good feeling when you leveled overall with 6 times WDC!
Good stage Elfyn!

[dimviii]

What on earth was that question to Evans

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absolutely clueless.

[AnttiL]

What on earth was that question to Evans

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Well, Neuville is known for using the handbrake a lot, it's clearly visible. But I for sure saw Evans use it in one of the hairpins there.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Never seen such dust on a Monte.

[mknight]

On dry it's more "back to normal" allround.

Lappi back to normal ish speed.

Loeb still struggles with the car on dry tarmac.

[steve.mandzij]

What on earth was that question to Evans

Sent from my F8331 using TapatalkNo mention at all of the gargantuan lead battle to either driver, who the shit cares about the handbrake

[AnttiL]

Never seen such dust on a Monte.

Watch 2018 power stage.

[mknight]

About the stage end question.

She is desperately? trying to ask more complicated questions than "how was your stage" (which is what people here always complained about). But she is trying too hard and using way too many words to ask those questions.

[Päss1928]

What on earth was that question to Evans

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Missing Molly and Colin, or atleast somebody who has watched some rallying before. That was cringe.

[KKS]

Mads pushing like Mad! On downhill

[steve.mandzij]

I'd love seeing Camilli get another go at WRC, he's a totally different driver from 2016.

[dimviii]

Suninen,must be the same spot as at first pass

https://twitter.com/Bartolbia84/status/1221066158893301762

[KKS]

Missing Molly and Colin, or atleast somebody who has watched some rallying before. That was cringe.
She doing FB live show for Citroen WRC last year but still knows nothing about rally :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watch 2018 power stage.

I really meant dont remember any back in the day (80's / 90's).

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
SS11 #RallyeMonteCarlo #WRClive #WRC

How much times improved in the afternoon compared to the morning run:

Lappi -1.07,8
Neuville -54,2
Ogier -54,2
Loeb -51,8
Evans -51,0
Rovanperä -50,6
Greensmith -49,3
Suninen -42,8

[Berke]

Heard some rumors about ss12 being cancelled. Anyone know anything?

----

Seems like it's ok.

[TypeR]

can somebody explain what's the thing with Gus maybe not getting to drive tomorrow? the topic was just on AllLive, but didn't hear the whole story..
again rally Monte-Carlo ,,own rules''?

[Rallyper]

Heard some rumors about ss12 being cancelled. Anyone know anything?

----

Seems like it's ok.

WRC.com says GG ready to start. That was 2 min ago.

[KKS]

can somebody explain what's the thing with Gus maybe not getting to drive tomorrow? the topic was just on AllLive, but didn't hear the whole story..
again rally Monte-Carlo ,,own rules''?
yep it's Monte rule, due not much room in Monaco for all service spots. Max 60 crews allowed

[AnttiL]

Missing Molly and Colin, or atleast somebody who has watched some rallying before. That was cringe.

Again, people used to complain all the time about them, especially Molly.

[KKS]

no sun now on stage, possible freezing now?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus says he's a slush-plough.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bit better by Teemu.

Kalle quite slow.

E. Kalle now fastest !

[TypeR]

Bit better by Teemu.

Kalle quite slow.

Took 20sec from Teemu between 2nd and 3rd split
Kalle has 2 snow tires tho

okay, some new fast reborn guy called Lappi is even faster with only slicks..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb spun

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi just +14.1 to Loeb now.

[TypeR]

cmon Evans, do you magic..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Theirry has flown and closed to the Toyotas.

[TypeR]

Evan had a moment, touched a ditch for a sec

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ragged run by Evans.

[KKS]

Evans have a moment at same corner as Loeb

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier lost a bit now.

[KKS]

ououuo Neuville could lead this rally!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ououuo Neuville could lead this rally!!!

No Evans is still ahead and leads now.

[KKS]

No Evans is still ahead and leads now.
Oh, my bad. I forgot that (

[TypeR]

Ogier said he was too cautious.. no mistakes

[denkimi]

It will be an exiting day tomorrow. Places 1-3 are still open, and lappi is close to Loeb for 4th.

[Päss1928]

Ogier said he was too cautious.. no mistakes

Double check that from his onboard later. He sounded like a kid lying to his mom :D

[stefanvv]

What an epic rally these 3 are doing. Remarkable.

[KKS]

Are that Mads splits real? -30.3 on Ciamin

[AnttiL]

Are that Mads splits real? -30.3 on Ciamin

Ciamin also slower than Camilli, probably having a bad stage.

[flat_right]

https://streamable.com/tp3b1

Ott Tänak’s crash onboard face cam

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In the same place as Suninen, Neuville also had some difficulty...

https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1221088616576843779

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks a lot like Rally GB - maybe why Evans going so well ! ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPIsjvRW4AEPb0N?format=jpg&name=medium

[Päss1928]

Loving Loeb's comments. He doesn't talk himself up in any way, tells it how it is without any excuses. He has absolutely nothing to prove anymore and he knows that.

[mknight]

Loving Loeb's comments. He doesn't talk himself up in any way, tells it how it is without any excuses. He has absolutely nothing to prove anymore and he knows that.

He is honest that's for sure.

Doesn't mean he is satisfied with this:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/?leg=3

35s down on Lappi today and even 10s behind Rovanpera

[KKS]

we don't know how much Loeb playing safe role for securing team points for Adamo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

we don't know how much Loeb playing safe role for securing team points for Adamo

I said this earlier. With Tanak out he must finish for the Manu points.

[denkimi]

He is honest that's for sure.

Doesn't mean he is satisfied with this:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/?leg=3

35s down on Lappi today and even 10s behind Rovanpera
Weird to see a 7 times winner so slow. I wonder if time has finally caught up with him, or if he just doesn't care enough anymore.

[denkimi]

I said this earlier. With Tanak out he must finish for the Manu points.
He must finish yes, but not behind lappi.

[SubaruNorway]

What a strange interview with Tänak for WRC TV, just answer the damn questions instead of twisting them all the time.

[PLuto]

For me today was quite empty, too short. At least one stage should be added...

[tommeke_B]

+1. The classic Sisteron stage on the way to Monaco is something we're definitely missing this year.

[denkimi]

For me today was quite empty, too short. At least one stage should be added...
Another loop in the evening would be perfect. A repeat of the thursday stages for example.

[mknight]

Weird to see a 7 times winner so slow. I wonder if time has finally caught up with him, or if he just doesn't care enough anymore.

On the last rally ran in 2019 he led after the first leg with gravel car. It's just the Hyundai tarmac car that apparently can't be made to fit multiple drivers.

[AnttiL]

For me today was quite empty, too short. At least one stage should be added...

Last year it was the same. Before that, typically a repeat of Bayons-Breziers in daylight...

[Revman]

If he was still at Toyota, he would be blaming the car.

[Timmy]

If he was still at Toyota, he would be blaming the car.

Who? Tänak?
You don't see him complaining about the car often.
In a recent interview when asked about Toyotas reliability he said he never feared about it breaking down going into a rally and added that it's a technical sport and things happen.
And how would you blame the car in this situation? A misjudgement writing the pacenotes and he has openly said that.

[ggg377]

If he was still at Toyota, he would be blaming the car.

He didn't have a single serious crash with Toyota, with the closest being the Australia 2018 off. It's painful to read the stupid stuff that is being written here sometimes.

[dimviii]

Lappi
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1221096645288435712

[doubled1978]

I’m looking forward to tomorrow morning, it’s great to have this proper 3 way fight....really pleased Evans has stepped up and shown us that he’s ready to fight.
It’s a bit disappointing that the mid-field is so thin, but I’m sure on other events it’ll be a lot better as the likes of Lappi/Suninen/Rovanpera will be more competitive...

[AnttiL]

Impressive job by Evans and Rovanperä.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPJQxzaWkAIHkSe?format=jpg&name=medium

[denkimi]

Impressive job by Evans and Rovanperä.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPJQxzaWkAIHkSe?format=jpg&name=medium
what's impressive about rovanpera?
besides not crashing.

[doubled1978]

what's impressive about rovanpera?
besides not crashing.

No mistakes, decent drivers points for himself, good experience, improving pace....what did you expect?

[KKS]

I’m looking forward to tomorrow morning, it’s great to have this proper 3 way fight....really pleased Evans has stepped up and shown us that he’s ready to fight.
It’s a bit disappointing that the mid-field is so thin, but I’m sure on other events it’ll be a lot better as the likes of Lappi/Suninen/Rovanpera will be more competitive...
For me this mean only one: Yaris really fast car and Evans adapt better than Ogier. We must wait till May-June when Ogier will adapt to the car and then we can compare both. For my opinion Ogier will destroy everyone from late Spring.

[AnttiL]

what's impressive about rovanpera?
besides not crashing.


No mistakes, decent drivers points for himself, good experience, improving pace....what did you expect?

Faster than Loeb. Also faster than Suninen and Greensmith with more experience in their car. And yeah, completing Monte at a decent pace with no mistakes is also impressive.

[Crazy J]

With all respect to Meeke and JML, it is pretty challenging to see that they would had been currently leading this rally.

[Tarmop]

If he was still at Toyota, he would be blaming the car.


Do you own a Camry?
Stupid argumentns are stupid arguments, but....
Greensmith is not so dissapointing today afterall. Loeb holding on to his position, things are going nicely.

[dimviii]

lolowrc05 video
https://youtu.be/S0h0-M8G28A

[dimviii]

sudrallye big flat out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=ELiiKKRnqto&feature=emb_logo

[doubled1978]

For me this mean only one: Yaris really fast car and Evans adapt better than Ogier. We must wait till May-June when Ogier will adapt to the car and then we can compare both. For my opinion Ogier will destroy everyone from late Spring.

Historically speaking I agree with you, but I have a feeling that Evans knows this is his moment, and he is going to put everything into showing what he can do....I don’t underestimate him.

[mknight]

With all respect to Meeke and JML, it is pretty challenging to see that they would had been currently leading this rally.

If you look at last year Meeke's pace was pretty similar to Evans this year, so I don't see it as impossible.
(See for example https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/52398-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2019/?leg=3 )

Reliability and stable results is something else though, dunno yet how that will work out with Evans. But speed is there in Monte for sure.

[mknight]

Faster than Loeb. Also faster than Suninen and Greensmith with more experience in their car. And yeah, completing Monte at a decent pace with no mistakes is also impressive.

I wouldn't count "beating Loeb" when Loeb is this slow. Other than that Rovanpera is doing very well, in a way better than I expected, keep it on the road at quite good speed and learning.

Still it won't change that I think it's bad idea to put him in the 3rd car while they say they aim for manu champ. It puts unecessary pressure on him and he is unlikely to regularly finish in better points than Hyundais 3rd car.

[Rallyper]

No mistakes, decent drivers points for himself, good experience, improving pace....what did you expect?

Loosing about 1 sec/km. Like many other starters.

[Essaj]

Loosing about 1 sec/km. Like many other starters.

After 3 days he is 6th and have lost 0.86s/km to leader where as your beloved Tidemand's best stage last year when looking at s/km was 1.27s/km and most times the gap was way bigger and also didn't he crash while going that pace?

[dimviii]

rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/flPuPNUj38I

[AnttiL]

With 0.86 s/km lost Kalle would have finished...

in 2019 6th ahead of Meeke
in 2018 8th ahead of Bouffier
in 2017 6th ahead of Evans

How much are you expecting from his first WRC rally in a WRC car, which also happens to be the most difficult event of the season?

[tommeke_B]

+1, Kalle has shown so many things already, that some people expect things from him that are actually not realistic at all. He will get there, don't worry... ;)

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/2URZ0YlzJbc

[BigWorm]

For me today was quite empty, too short. At least one stage should be added...

And/or make a few stages longer. I'm no fan of this 20km every stage format.

[PLuto]

And/or make a few stages longer. I'm no fan of this 20km every stage format.

Today mileage was on level of czech rallysprint...

[TypeR]

Can't understand you PRO drivers smashing Kalle's performance last days.. he has done everything by the book..
- keep the car on the road
- learning the car
- wanting to go faster, but still keepikg it together
- bringing up the pros/cons abour his drive..

And still.. some ppl moan about his ,,slow,, driving.. ffs, it is his first official WRC event and he is keeping everything cool..
If the RMC had been his one and only chance, he would have been in top5 in most of the stages, but it isn't his task atm..

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/CZrrLCw_-g8

[mknight]

https://youtu.be/CZrrLCw_-g8

Massive Lappi understeer almost into a pole at 0:50

[T16]

For me this mean only one: Yaris really fast car and Evans adapt better than Ogier. We must wait till May-June when Ogier will adapt to the car and then we can compare both. For my opinion Ogier will destroy everyone from late Spring.

How on earth do you know Ogier will adapt to the car in May-June? Shouldn’t he be the one doing this now, with much more manufacturer experience?

Evans is just beating him, in Monte Carlo, in the same car.

[dimviii]

so at whom would you put your money as they are now?
i would at Evans.Sunday expected most dry.
As they are now,its difficult for Makinen to give orders.Neuville very close.

[KKS]

How on earth do you know Ogier will adapt to the car in May-June? Shouldn’t he be the one doing this now, with much more manufacturer experience?

Evans is just beating him, in Monte Carlo, in the same car.
Ogier is smart, he not pushing for a win and for 100% when he not confident on 100%. So now he's backing off and he need time and millage to get-in used to car. So need do some rally's. At Monte he definitely backing off

[T16]

so at whom would you put your money as they are now?
i would at Evans.Sunday expected most dry.
As they are now,its difficult for Makinen to give orders.Neuville very close.

If you asked me yesterday lunchtime, I would say Ogier, but somehow Evans has found something else.
He’s a pretty level character, so hard to tell how much he actually feels like he can pull this off, but I watched the same lad carrying on in the same way, in Wales a couple of years ago and he nailed it then.
This would be on another level though.

I actually think he’s got a lot more in the tank than Ogier and Neuville on this rally too.
So I’ll go with him.

[T16]

Ogier is smart, he not pushing for a win and for 100% when he not confident on 100%. So now he's backing off and he need time and millage to get-in used to car. So need do some rally's. At Monte he definitely backing off

Why’s he never not pushed for the win in the past then?

[BigWorm]

so at whom would you put your money as they are now?
i would at Evans.Sunday expected most dry.
As they are now,its difficult for Makinen to give orders.Neuville very close.

Evans for me. There's been that special something about him this weekend which we all hoped for.

[EstWRC]

agreed, like at Corsica 2015 or 2019

[Co-FIN]

..

[dimviii]

Evans for me. There's been that special something about him this weekend which we all hoped for.

also it would be good for the championship,if Ogier dont collect full points,as Tanak is retired.

[BigWorm]

Kalle is doing a mighty fine job.

[mknight]

so at whom would you put your money as they are now?
i would at Evans.Sunday expected most dry.
As they are now,its difficult for Makinen to give orders.Neuville very close.

Ogier, cause Evans gained time on mixed stages/stage sections. On the stages or parts that were dry Neuville and Ogier were slightly ahead.

Which is actually opposite to what I expected, historically Evans did well in Monte (and Corsica last year) on dry stages and struggled on mixed ones.

[EstWRC]

Ogier, cause Evans gained time on mixed stages/stage sections. On the stages or parts that were dry Neuville and Ogier were slightly ahead.

Which is actually opposite to what I expected, historically Evans did well in Monte (and Corsica last year) on dry stages and struggled on mixed ones.

yes, but 2015 Corsica, which was kinda breakthrough performance for him at that time was also in very hard conditions and he was brilliant there.

[cali]

Kalle is doing as expected - learning and driving in a good pace. All good.

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[denkimi]

With 0.86 s/km lost Kalle would have finished...

in 2019 6th ahead of Meeke
in 2018 8th ahead of Bouffier
in 2017 6th ahead of Evans

How much are you expecting from his first WRC rally in a WRC car, which also happens to be the most difficult event of the season?
He does what i expected him to do. Drive slow, not crash and gain experience.

That is not impessive. If he would have won stages, that would have been impressive.
Being faster than kastsuka or Greensmith is not wat he was hired for, he needs to beat loeb or lappi to make an impression.

[PLuto]

Start list to Sunday - https://rally-base.com/2020/rallye-monte-carlo-2020/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=1107

[mknight]

yes, but 2015 Corsica, which was kinda breakthrough performance for him at that time was also in very hard conditions and he was brilliant there.

You just said 2015 Corsica contradicts last years Corsica and confirms Monte this year => Evans does well in mixed conditions and not so well in full dry.

Even more reason to favor Ogier over him tomorrow.

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/1221189787991801857

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd
@KiwiWRCfan
Stewards give Nicolas Ciamen back 12.0 seconds lost on SS5 when held up by driver who had changed puncture.
Ciamen goes into Sunday just 13.8 seconds behind Mads Ostberg in fight for P9 overall and P2 in #RC2
reference COC decision 5
https://acm.mc/wp-content/upl

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Omen for Evans ?

Vic Elford was the last Britsh winner of the ERC over 50 years ago... until Chris ingram last year.

Vic Elford was the last Britsh winner of the Monte over 50 years ago... until...

[Co-FIN]

..

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/opQiaQ3_vQ8

[denkimi]

Generally for them it took a while to get on pace, which is normal. Just saying this kiddo is doing well, not bad.
I'm not saying he isn't doing well. I'm saying he is doing what i expected, going slow and learning.
He just isnt doing extraordinary good. Perhaps it will get better, but right now i would rather hire ostberg.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Any comments/info on Sean Johnston, driver from the U.S., currently leading RC4?

[AnttiL]

I'm not saying he isn't doing well. I'm saying he is doing what i expected, going slow and learning.
He just isnt doing extraordinary good. Perhaps it will get better, but right now i would rather hire ostberg.

Østberg, who clipped a bank and had a puncture.

[dimviii]

team maxicorde video
https://youtu.be/PO_LWLev8S8

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/vms_s1.jpg


https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/573/

[dimviii]

#Tyre info - SS13
➡️
SS16

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä/Neuville/Lappi : 3MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS) + 3S

Katsuta: 4SS+2S
Loeb: 5SS
Suninen: 2SS + 4S

[dimviii]

Colin about weather at Turini
https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1221324356913188864

[Allez Andruet]

Perhaps it will get better, but right now i would rather hire ostberg.

When hiring Rovanperä, Toyota was maybe looking a bit broader timeframe than just this Monte.

[mknight]

I find it a bit strange that on all tirepicks all Toyota and Hyundai drivers except Katsuta pick essentially the same. (only tiny difference was Evans on Friday and it was only 2 tires). Last year you had radical differences quite a few times, as well as Hyundai deliberately picking different setup for each of their drivers.

Some spying going on between them?

[TypeR]

I'm not saying he isn't doing well. I'm saying he is doing what i expected, going slow and learning.
He just isnt doing extraordinary good. Perhaps it will get better, but right now i would rather hire ostberg.
Don't see Mads leading the R5 class by a calendar.. Kalle is a future top driver, rally winner and potential WDC.. While Ostberg will 99% never win a rally in WRC and by the speed he is also in the middle..

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
·
Last year Elfyn Evans missed these Sunday stages because of his accident on Saturday. Meanwhile Ogier and Neuville were pushing hard on these stages a year ago. #WRClive #WRC #RallyeMonteCarlo

[PLuto]

Any comments/info on Sean Johnston, driver from the U.S., currently leading RC4?

He is good driver, but level of RC4 (or better whole 2WD) on Monte is quite poor...

[Rallyper]

G´MAwning guys. Let´s get this day done. Neuville for win?

[TypeR]

good time from Takamoto, only 3s slower than Suninen

[steve.mandzij]

He is good driver, but level of RC4 (or better whole 2WD) on Monte is quite poor...He was unimpressive in JWRC the past two years, but he has a silly moustache. I like his silly moustache.

Also Alex Kihurani (ex Pastrana?) Is his Co driver.

[cali]

Taka has improved his pace a lot, I"m quite impressed

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[Rallyper]

Impressed? :)

[cali]

Impressed? :)Yes Per, i'ts quite huge improvement since friday.

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[Rallyper]

Yes Per, i'ts quite huge improvement since friday.

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However today seems consistent surface and no ice, maybe that is why?

[cali]

However today seems consistent surface and no ice, maybe that is why?He had better pace yesterday as well, not so lost as 2 previous days. Didn't expect that at all

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[PLuto]

He was unimpressive in JWRC the past two years, but he has a silly moustache. I like his silly moustache.

Also Alex Kihurani (ex Pastrana?) Is his Co driver.

He was doing JWRC only last year, not year before. He was really improving during last year. But like I told, level of 2WD on Monte is not so high.

Alex Kihurani has nothing to do with Pastrana, in past he was codriving Alex Parpottas and some UK or USA drivers.

[TypeR]

Neuville on a mission, virtually passed Ogier

[cali]

Neuville with a massive time could lead this rally after this stage!

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[TypeR]

even circuit racing has bigger gaps, than this :D after 15 stages in Monte, top 3 in 6.2 seconds

[BigWorm]

Oh dear what a rally. Is this the new standard for Monte?

[cali]

Fantastic

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[dimviii]

nice attack from Neuville!
lets see how they will response at next one.

[mknight]

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?

[pantealex]

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?

He isn´t giving free points to Neuville...

[mknight]

He isn´t giving free points to Neuville...

Sure, but does he see Tanak as a more dangerous opponent? I'd say yes.

Compare last year when fighting with Neuville here he was really "excited" and "nervous" after each stage when in close fight and this year he is just "relaxed".

[KKS]

Why’s he never not pushed for the win in the past then?
He never pushed 100% when not confident. And now he confirmed that on all live. If you don't understand that - it's your problems.
Ogier achieve all his trophy by steady approach, backing off in situations when it could go wrong. That what JML or Meeke need to learn, but never learnt.

[dimviii]

Suninen's revised start time is 0913hrs.

[Katvala]

Ss12 delayed. New start time 0913hrs

Edit: I was late

[Katvala]

No commentary I use for Desborough stages

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[wia5958]

Omen for Evans ?

Vic Elford was the last Britsh winner of the ERC over 50 years ago... until Chris ingram last year.

Vic Elford was the last Britsh winner of the Monte over 50 years ago... until...

Didn't meeke win ERC?

[PLuto]

Didn't meeke win ERC?

No. He won IRC.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPKcRjwXsAMFxmU?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

Sure, but does he see Tanak as a more dangerous opponent? I'd say yes.

Compare last year when fighting with Neuville here he was really "excited" and "nervous" after each stage when in close fight and this year he is just "relaxed".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMTqu8XUAAfMPh?format=jpg&name=large

[Rallyper]

@Cali : agree with you. Katsuta improved a lot during rally, actually. ;) ;)

[PLuto]

@Cali : agree with you. Katsuta improved a lot during rally, actually. ;) ;)

He is beating Kalle now :)

[wia5958]

No. He won IRC. thanks my bad

[KKS]

Heavy artillery on a stage. Neuville -6.0 on 1st ^_^

[Katvala]

As last year, Live TV stages waste too much time on slow Mo replays and showing start launches..

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[mknight]

Adamo won't be happy

[Katvala]

Loeb got stuck, lost lots of time!

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[KKS]

Oh how lucky Loeb was

[TypeR]

seems like Neuville is going for the win.. faster than Ogier and Evans

[Katvala]

We get to see 20 seconds of driving every car. I can't believe it

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[EstWRC]

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?


He never pushed 100% when not confident. And now he confirmed that on all live. If you don't understand that - it's your problems.
Ogier achieve all his trophy by steady approach, backing off in situations when it could go wrong. That what JML or Meeke need to learn, but never learnt.

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.

[KKS]

We get to see 20 seconds of driving every car. I can't believe it

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wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing car

[Katvala]

wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing carAll live stages are still better. Less time wasted like that, and use of picture in picture view. Live TV is something else

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[KKS]

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.
I'm pin this post and we go back later on it after probably Portugal

[mknight]

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.

Evans who in 5 WRC starts never was better than 6th in Monte and never really fought for podium either now immediately fights for win. Tanak went from easily beating everyone last year (on speed) here to crashing from 4th.. but yeah Toyota is bad.

Try harder...I am sure you will as the year is long.

[EstWRC]

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?


I'm pin this post and we go back later on it after probably Portugal

hehe, totally fine. im not saying he wont be dominating in the future, you never know when something clicks suddenly.

But i mean, the one and only rally where you expect Ogier to win and dominate no matter what the car is Monte Carlo, his record here speaks for itself.

He was beating Evans left and right in M-sport days and is now struggling to match him the whole weekend.

[AnttiL]

wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing car

This stage was shortened from the end for some reason, but the time control is still in the same place. Thus the distance from the finish line to the end interview is much longer.

Can't help noticing the big Pirelli signs on the banks...

[dimviii]

too early for conclusions guys!

[dimviii]

Veiby blocked the road,stage cancelled

[EstWRC]

Evans who in 5 WRC starts never was better than 6th in Monte and never really fought for podium either now immediately fights for win. Tanak went from easily beating everyone last year (on speed) here to crashing from 4th.. but yeah Toyota is bad.

Try harder...I am sure you will as the year is long.

where did i say the car is bad? and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?

i too expected Ogier to come here and dominate, most of all because of his Monte record no matter what the car but it hasnt happened, like i said it doesnt mean it wont happen this season.

Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one. im not taking anything away from this weekend, he has been brilliant and i wish he would win.

[PLuto]

Veiby blocked the road,stage cancelled

Currently only interrupted, not cancelled yet.

[AnttiL]

where did i say the car is bad? and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?

i too expected Ogier to come here and dominate, most of all because of his Monte record no matter what the car but it hasnt happened, like i said it doesnt mean it wont happen this season.

Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one. im not taking anything away from this weekend, he has been brilliant and i wish he would win.

All in all it's too early to make conclusions, especially because Monte is so special event. Going into a new car shuffles the deck and for Evans it has been a easier/quicker/better fit than for Ogier.

Could also be that Ogier is losing his motivation.

[AnttiL]

Veiby

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMhwxSWAAEXQvr?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

SS14 Update

Veiby's Hyundai i20 has lost a wheel and it sounds like he could be blocking the stage.

Stage halted

Organisers have decided to halt the stage. More news as we know it.

[KKS]

hehe, totally fine. im not saying he wont be dominating in the future, you never know when something clicks suddenly.

But i mean, the one and only rally where you expect Ogier to win and dominate no matter what the car is Monte Carlo, his record here speaks for itself.

He was beating Evans left and right in M-sport days and is now struggling to match him the whole weekend.
yep, cuz he felt OK with Fiesta basically straight away, getting some experience by every next rally. Now we got a 1 WRC rally winner beating 52 times rally winner and 6 times champion. It's not happen for nothing.
Loeb told as yesterday that he can't much Yaris speed cuz it too fast car. For me a point of 9time WDC matters and I believe him. And you?

Low speed from Ogier now only cuz he cut off himself, to prevent crashing. 3rd pos it's better than retire. Only JML and Meeke didn't know that.
PS Ott will lose this champ for sure. 2nd or 3rd this a question. He's move and reaction from Toyota was like crying kid.

[KKS]

This stage was shortened from the end for some reason, but the time control is still in the same place. Thus the distance from the finish line to the end interview is much longer.

Can't help noticing the big Pirelli signs on the banks...
So why not switch to active car and show only interview on small screen?

[Mise]

All in all it's too early to make conclusions, especially because Monte is so special event. Going into a new car shuffles the deck and for Evans it has been a easier/quicker/better fit than for Ogier.

Could also be that Ogier is losing his motivation.

What if Ford is closer to Toyota than Citroen in driveability. Then it is only logical that it takes less time to adapt the car. since there's less thing to adapt.
Both Ogier and Lappi were complaining about the behaviour of Citroen.

[Portimao]

I can see exactly the same kind of frustration on Ogier's face like in previous year with Citroen. Wonder if his wife is gonna tweet about "Shitoyota" anytime soon.

[erikli2]

Veiby blocking the road:

https://twitter.com/Bartolbia84/status/1221359931183505408/photo/1

[mknight]

where did i say the car is bad?



im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected.

There


and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?


Nobody said that, just that Tanak was slower on Monte this year in i20 than last year in Yaris, which is a fact.




Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one.

In Corsica 2019, Suninen in his first rally in WRC on Corsica almost beat Sordo and decimated Loeb and Latvala. So Fiesta totally wasn't a bad car there, proving the point here again.

Huge sudden changes in driver performances are mostly down to car (and ajusting to it). This has been proven over and over again in last 20 years, yet some people always blame the driver (or applaud him). Going from Martin's change from Ford to 307, Solbergs decline in later Subarus and then suddenly fighting in the top in C4 and very recently with the likes of Loeb forgetting how to drive on tarmac right after winning a tarmac rally.

[surdna]

I can see exactly the same kind of frustration on Ogier's face like in previous year with Citroen. Wonder if his wife is gonna tweet about "Shitoyota" anytime soon.

i wonder did Ogiers contract included a point about he's wife twitter usage

[PLuto]

Currently only interrupted, not cancelled yet.

Now it is cancelled.

[KKS]

Lappi's "when wall come closer it's not be fun anymore"
https://www.facebook.com/ramotorsportphotography/videos/178674143237797/

[BurgundyRedMamba]

There


Nobody said that, just that Tanak was slower on Monte this year in i20 than last year in Yaris, which is a fact.



I believe there's a difference between "bad" and "not being dominating". Can't interpret everything as one wants to think. When it comes to Ott's speed, he already seemed faster on the first stage of Friday. Can't make many conclusions based on 3 stages. Nobody knows where he would have ended up on Sunday afternoon if it wasn't the crash. Let's wait and see at least couple of rallies and hopefully there will be 4 top drivers fighting for championship this year.

[AnttiL]

So why not switch to active car and show only interview on small screen?

Because this broadcast is targeted to "regular" viewers who might get confused if the car switches in the middle and then cuts to someone else's interview? I dunno. We understand this sport, but it's complicated to explain for the average man down the road.

I agree that it was dull to watch, but I also try to understand why they chose to do it like this.

[EstWRC]

I believe there's a difference between "bad" and "not being dominating". Can't interpret everything as one wants to think.

you did get me and thats what i meant.


i cant believe he translated that sentence with me sayin the car is bad.

[AnttiL]

One thing that people forget that performance is not just a simple sum of driver and car performance. They much match together, it's more like a chemical reaction. One car suits one driver better and vice versa.