88. Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo 2020

[swanny]

Holy crap. That was a big one! It went on for a long time too.

Seemed like that compression unsettled the car, then it was all over. To me at least probably a tough one to spot at reccy speed.

[AnttiL]

Evans seems to be maturing like a fine wine. Keep it up son.

Super happy about him doing so well

[meh]

One thing to compare: reaction for "missing Tänak" at the stage end between Neuville and Ogier.

[Jewy46]

One thing to compare: reaction for "missing Tänak" at the stage end between Neuville and Ogier.

Genuine concern from Ogier. The longer time goes on the more I like him, in the VW years I'll admit I wasn't a fan.

[tomhlord]

Horrible crash for Tanak that, the final impact before the video feed cuts looks equally savage as the first. Hope all is well.

[cali]

Wonder if Evans is ahead of Ogier after the finish if there's any team orders in place from Tommi?

[er88]

Superb start this from Evans, loving it

[EstWRC]

Horrible crash for Tanak that, the final impact before the video feed cuts looks equally savage as the first. Hope all is well.

crew reported okay, they were talking while rolling, lol

Martin asked:"water is coming?"
Ottt answered:"what?"

[swanny]

Isn't the tech amazing? Live streamed from a car as it's being smashed to bits.

[denkimi]

Onboard of the crash: https://twitter.com/SebLoebMLDC/status/1220634796482793472
those are the things i'm scared off driving myself. i get the chills just seeing it.

[AnttiL]

crew reported okay, they were talking while rolling, lol

Martin asked:"water is coming?"
Ottt answered:"what?"

worried that they would go to a river, which flows nearby?

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCUhheWoAE_IxW?format=jpg&name=small

[swanny]

Wonder if Evans is ahead of Ogier after the finish if there's any team orders in place from Tommi?

Team orders to 'hold station' or swap positions?

[meh]

Tänak - from going off and finally "landing" took around 13 seconds. Maybe he is used to / expected Toyota style downforce.

Not promising for this season.

[eib1]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392

[tr4m]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392
Holy shit

[EstWRC]

Tänak - from going off and finally "landing" took around 13 seconds. Maybe he is used to / expected Toyota style downforce.

Not promising for this season.

ah i already waited when this starts :D

this is Monte, and everything can happen with everyone. It was inevitable that the crash would come someday, the longer the pause is, the more realistic that it will come one day. And today it came.

i would say the aftermath was bigger than the mistake, just little too fast there but consequenses were big.

[denkimi]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392

if there would have been something solid like rocks or big threes there, they would have died.

[Rallyper]

They were lucky it was a soft ploughed field they had the inpact on. Then nose to end roll...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awesome morning by Elfyn Evans
but gutted for Greensmith.

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392

holy hell :eek:

[AnttiL]

Tänak has been quite consistent with no crashes with the new cars, only Poland and Corsica in 2017 and Australia in 2018.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCUhheWoAE_IxW?format=jpg&name=small

this should be repaired for tomorrow i think

[AnttiL]

They were lucky it was a soft ploughed field they had the inpact on. Then nose to end roll...

It also looks like they clip a tree high in the air which seems to bend softly, softening the speed

[cali]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392

Oh my...that was massive!

[surdna]

this should be repaired for tomorrow i think

depends prob hows the cage

[meh]

if there would have been something solid like rocks or big threes there, they would have died.

They hit a tree with bad angle. If some part comes through some window, it will not end good as well. GB 2005...

[Rallyper]

this should be repaired for tomorrow i think

Nope. ;)

[Sulland]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCUhheWoAE_IxW?format=jpg&name=small

Looking at the film, I would imagine the car would look much worse! But they have been lucky, thats for sure.
Wonder if anyone filmed the compression, but the team will have all needed data to analyze reason.

[spark13]

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1220639658293563392

We've seen TiTanak. But this is Tanak Airlines for sure....

[cali]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCUhheWoAE_IxW?format=jpg&name=small

Link/picture broken...Edit it just my browser, in Tapatalk pic is OK

[EstWRC]

Nope. ;)

why? doesnt look that bad for me, like said, depends how is the cage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCQIU2XsAAaWrg?format=jpg&name=small

[MartijnS]

https://youtu.be/7C0TxriYeNw

[er88]

He was too fast. Maybe wrong pacenote made on recce, either in terms of corner speed or not appreciating how big a compression that was.

[Rallyper]

why? doesnt look that bad for me, like said, depends how is the cage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCQIU2XsAAaWrg?format=jpg&name=small

Let´s wait and see. However repaired Ott will drive like Jocius rest of the rally.

I´ve really been more and more uncomfortable with the development. The speed will take its share of accidents if something is not done. Especially RMC is a dangerous rally. As said.

[EstWRC]

He was too fast. Maybe wrong pacenote made on recce, either in terms of corner speed or not appreciating how big a compression that was.

i think those both, anyway, we will hear later

[Rallyper]

https://youtu.be/7C0TxriYeNw

Horrible!!

[eib1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44DpPbNTPk&feature=youtu.be&t=4

[kubiczech]

There are weird sounds between the cut on the right side and the moment car left the road, you can hear them in onboard and outside video, it sounds like car is bottoming twice ... maybe he broke something in that cut and was not able to steer the car???

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44DpPbNTPk&feature=youtu.be&t=4

its like it didnt turn at all to left or it sbecause the speed as high?

[Timmy]

Probably no traction after the compression.

[T16]

Looking at the film, I would imagine the car would look much worse! But they have been lucky, thats for sure.
Wonder if anyone filmed the compression, but the team will have all needed data to analyze reason.

I think the front underside will look worse than this angle shows. That took the biggest hit.

[Rallyper]

its like it didnt turn at all to left or it sbecause the speed as high?

Yes. Agree on that one.

But - he could even had the spinal feeling turning wheel should have getting the car sideways in such situation of very high speed. Of course wrong decision taken in one thousand of a second...

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCb0BYW4AAf5t4.jpg

[TypeR]

I think it was better to fly off and crash nose first, rather than taking the first biggest impact on the side.. but us here will never know.. thank god they are OK and that Hyundai has made a safe car

[EstWRC]

well it take my words back repairing the car

massive loss for Ott not gettin to know the car more

[swanny]

... Hyundai has made a safe car

Yep. Big thumbs up that everyone is ok.

I don't think that will buff out....

[ipe]

God damn that's insane damage.

[Marcco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44DpPbNTPk&feature=youtu.be&t=4

It looks like first compression unsettled the car and it under-steered and the second compression launched it completely. Maybe car a bit too low or two soft?

[er88]

Yeah that car is done.

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uFZJmBACZQ&feature=emb_logo

More footage

[BigWorm]

Frightening crash that

[Norm75]

Yep. Big thumbs up that everyone is ok.

I don't think that will buff out....

Buff out! Have you not heard of gaffer tape :)

[Oscar Cibie]

Buff out! Have you not heard of gaffer tape :)

Couple of headlamp bulbs & they'll be alright...

Seriously though, that's one bad crash & i'm glad that they're okay.

[er88]

Moment for Suninen at the start of this stage.

[AnttiL]

Looks quite slippery

[AnttiL]

It's raining

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCc1kvX4AATAMX.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCfd4xWsAEiJVJ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[wyler]

Moment for Suninen at the start of this stage.

Just in front of me...close call

[AnttiL]

Everyone is too shocked to follow the rally?

Evans and Ogier are again faster than Neuville

[EstWRC]

i would have expected Ogier to go as fast as EVans, interesting

[Rallyper]

Evans really good. Thinking it over it´s not a surprise.

[er88]

Brilliant again for Evans. Keep going lad!

[486]

Perhaps too optimistic pace note. Around 80 meters brake blockage marks before the right with the fist compression. Compression could upset undercar donwforce due to airflow strangulation before diffuser. Second compression on the left does not help and very slight humid. I am on the place.

[Rallyper]

WRC Fiesta needs a better engine.

[Moriarty]

More then 120m in straight

[mknight]

Last year Evans crashed out from 6th, 3 mins behind. This year he leads.

Last year Tänak was clearly fastest, this year he crashed from 4th.

Not all cars are the same?

[AnttiL]

Lappi had a field excursion

[er88]

These times don't reflect well on Suninen.

[Rallyper]

Ask Makinen if not JML would´ve been better than this Katsuta...

I know Toyoda want him to drive (Katsuta) but still...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Elfyn Evans take a bow son !

[AnttiL]

Ask Makinen if not JML would´ve been better than this Katsuta...

I know Toyoda want him to drive (Katsuta) but still...

I think we all know why Katsuta is driving. If it wasn't for Katsuta, they wouldn't have a fourth car, it's meaningless for the manufacturers title. Katsuta is there for a reason.

[Tauri_J]

https://i.imgur.com/WzUsyec.jpg

[theracingelf]

Ask Makinen if not JML would´ve been better than this Katsuta...

I know Toyoda want him to drive (Katsuta) but still...

It's frustrating knowing there are drivers and apparently cars available to make the championship more competitive and exciting isn't it...

[AnttiL]

It's frustrating knowing there are drivers and apparently cars available to make the championship more competitive and exciting isn't it...

All WRC teams have deployed four cars at a rally after 2017 (including Citroen). It's not a matter of resources, it's a question of someone paying for it.

Also, it's pointless to say "you have a WRC car in the garage, why not let someone drive it?". Of course they have spare chassises, but it's not free to run it.

[theracingelf]

All WRC teams have deployed four cars at a rally after 2017 (including Citroen). It's not a matter of resources, it's a question of someone paying for it.

Also, it's pointless to say "you have a WRC car in the garage, why not let someone drive it?". Of course they have spare chassises, but it's not free to run it.

Well that's exactly why I find it so frustrating, that it's only money that's the limiting factor.

[EstWRC]

https://i.imgur.com/WzUsyec.jpg

wow. to be honest it didnt look that horrible from onboard

[doubled1978]

Evans really good. Thinking it over it´s not a surprise.

I agree, he’s the man with the chance to really make his career with this move, looks like he intends to take it.

[doubled1978]

wow. to be honest it didnt look that horrible from onboard

Yeah it looked mostly a gentle slope down the hill onboard, but the more videos and images we see it seems to get worse and worse. I think we can all be happy that everyone is safe and ok.
We could also add that it’s fortunate that no Marshall or spectator cars were parked on the road below.

[denkimi]

Ask Makinen if not JML would´ve been better than this Katsuta...

I know Toyoda want him to drive (Katsuta) but still...
Mikkelsen or jml would have been better than rovanpera too, mut toyoda absoluyely want a japanese driver in the car, and makkinen absolutely wants a finnish kid in the car too.

So that leaves not much space for good drivers.

[AMSS]

What happened to Formaux yesterday? looks really fast today

[dimviii]

It looks like first compression unsettled the car and it under-steered and the second compression launched it completely. Maybe car a bit too low or two soft?

i would like to see video from same place for Neuville Loeb Ogier etc.
second compression really launched the car.
glad they are both ok,it could turned out much worser...

[AnttiL]

What happened to Formaux yesterday? looks really fast today

Puncture

[dimviii]

What happened to Formaux yesterday? looks really fast today

he had puncture on the 2nd one if i am remember right.

[EstWRC]

i would like to see video from same place for Neuville Loeb Ogier etc.
second compression really launched the car.
glad they are both ok,it could turned out much worser...

Neuville was slowed down by spectators, dunno about others

[AnttiL]

makkinen absolutely wants a finnish kid in the car too.

So that leaves not much space for good drivers.

Yeah, that's the only reason he's there...

[Tauri_J]

i would like to see video from same place for Neuville Loeb Ogier etc.
second compression really launched the car.
glad they are both ok,it could turned out much worser...

It would be pointless, They were warned to slow down.

[dimviii]

Evans 16 sec faster from Ogier today at 3 stages.Faster at all 3 stages.
Both at new car.Impressive.

[dimviii]

Neuville was slowed down by spectators, dunno about others

oh didnt know it,i am at work,and havent watched properly

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Early days but a great start by Evans.

Too soon for any conclusions though and esp on this rally. There are so many variables.

This applies to the slow M-Sports too.

[dimviii]

Lappi in the field
https://twitter.com/andyjg1970/status/1220666166559023104

[dimviii]

The vice-World Champion is 8.9 seconds behind the former M-Sport driver, while Sébastien Ogier (Toyota Yaris WRC), third, is only eight tenths of a second behind his Belgian rival.

"It was a difficult morning for us, admitted Thierry Neuville at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special envoy to the south of France. We start the morning 19 seconds early, we finish with 10 seconds late. Not a good morning for us, and yet I think we did well in the last two stages. In the first, it was very complicated: we stalled, we lost time ... and it took a long time to understand the annotations of our openers (Bruno Thiry, his usual opener, being sick, it is the Spaniard Dani Sordo who replaces him in this particular role this weekend, Editor's note: Obviously, we don't always speak the same language, and I was suddenly a little hesitant. Toyota in front of this morning? This is probably worrying for this rally, but for the rest, I don't know But at this speed, we will have a hard time resisting them. A little more difficult conditions, this could have der, because under fairly constant conditions, they go very fast. "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-dans-ces-conditions-on-va-avoir-du-mal-a-resister-aux-toyota?id=10415238&fbclid=IwAR26t7lcpCVaNZRXc-C4qvxjE974LJy3xcNRfKAQ9KiYLvQ6u-wB6kcXPzg

[dimviii]

the good old Ogier
--------------------------------------


Neck and neck, the two men had to bow this Friday morning against the speed of the Welsh Elfyn Evans (Toyota Yaris WRC), very comfortable for his first driving the Japanese racing car, and now in the lead of the event with a little ten seconds in advance.

"It was a decent morning, everything is fine so far, rejoiced Sébastien Ogier at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special envoy on Monte-Carlo. But I'm not yet 100 % comfortable, and I'm sure we can do even better. The proof is that our teammate is doing better than us at the moment! But we're going to hang on. "

And when we tell him that Thierry Neuville said that if the conditions remained constant, he could not do anything against the Toyota: "Thierry, anyway, it's never his fault if he is not fast enough, we know that! "smiled the six-time World Champion, used to little" wars of words "with his Belgian rival in recent years.
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_thierry-ce-n-est-jamais-de-sa-faute-ogier-titille-deja-neuville?id=10415397&fbclid=IwAR0SRm2XhaRti5mT7o5SMtW1PNc7-rFNIsreyHEIWigUbCFXFgjdGWKpGkY

[dimviii]

#Tyre info - SS6 ➡️ SS8

Ogier: 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS) +1 Soft (S)
Evans/Neuville/Loeb/Suninen/Lappi: 4SS+2S
Rovanperä/Katsuta: 6SS

#MichelinWRC #RallyeMonteCarlo

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCw4nWWoAAMheK?format=jpg&name=medium

[Rallyper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPCw4nWWoAAMheK?format=jpg&name=medium

Yeah. Incar showed they didn´t stop rolling when they were supposed to do that (at ordinary crash...)

[Rallyper]

Out of schedule now... (13.54)

Edit: seemed they wanted to have SP talk instead of showing stage...

[dimviii]

no splits?

[AnttiL]

Evans flying again!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Elfyn !

[AnttiL]

Now Evans down on third split a bit

[EstWRC]

unebelievable this Evans so far

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier up to 2nd.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans dropped time..

[TypeR]

gave away a lot of time to Ogier.. damn

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans damaged the wheel in a ditch.

[er88]

This is one of the problems for Msport/ Suninen and Lappi, with Msport not having an experienced man like Mikkelsen/Meeke/ Latvala in the 3rd car.

Nobody knows whether the two Finns just aren't doing a good enough job, or if it's the car that is also lacking and falling behind vs the Toyota and Hyundai. They both could've done with more of a reference in the team.

[Rallyper]

Veiby stopped?

Edit: Puncture

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What did I say about Evans showing speed on the Monte...


It means he's set some fast times there. He is very quick on the tarmac but needs to cut out the mistakes.

[Rallyper]

Oliver faster than Camilli and Gryazin on SS6. Quick learning.

[dimviii]

lol

https://twitter.com/rockollector/status/1220702740516679681

[mknight]

lol

https://twitter.com/rockollector/status/1220702740516679681

Ogier won a title in 2018 in same Fiesta... so not so sure it was always the Fiesta being slow. It probably is as much that the Yaris is really fast and easy to adjust to.

[dimviii]

Update from Rallye Monte-Carlo organisers following Tänak's crash in SS4

The car left the road at high speed and after several rolls ended on a road below the rally road. Both occupants exited the vehicle on their own and were reportedly free of serious injuries. They were examined by the Doctor of Automobile Club of Monaco, who arrived at the scene at 10:09. Then the Dragon helicopter, which arrived on site at 10:34 and departed at 10:36 for Gap Hospital, evacuated them. On their arrival at 11:04, the crew TANAK Ott (driver) and JARVEOJA Martin (co-driver) was taken over by the medical team of the Emergency Department where further examinations were done. The medical status is comforting but as a matter of precaution and because of the strength of the impact, the doctors have decided to keep the crew under observation until Saturday morning.

[theracingelf]

Ogier won a title in 2018 in same Fiesta... so not so sure it was always the Fiesta being slow. It probably is as much that the Yaris is really fast and easy to adjust to.

I think it's more down to development. The Fiesta was a good car out of the box but the others have simply improved a lot more over the years in comparison.

[mknight]

I think it's more down to development. The Fiesta was a good car out of the box but the others have simply improved a lot more over the years in comparison.

That is true but in the case of Evans he was faster and got better results in 2019 than in 2018.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think it's more down to development. The Fiesta was a good car out of the box but the others have simply improved a lot more over the years in comparison.

... due to being run by FACTORY TEAMS with massive budgets.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A funny picture on a morning in the #RallyeMonteCarlo something moved ...

https://twitter.com/RevistaScratch/status/1220654071960547328

[dimviii]

Sanglierrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans lost a bit at 3rd split

0.1s now... going to be close with Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle has started well.. 4th on splits.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Q. Any changes ?

(4 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): Maybe we should change the driver?

[TypeR]

Q. Any changes ?

(4 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): Maybe we should change the driver?

same old same old.. can't drive with such thoughts all the time..

[Rallyper]

same old same old.. can't drive with such thoughts all the time..

Yeah. Lappi should reset his mind.

[theracingelf]

Q. Any changes ?

(4 - Lappi Esapekka / Ferm Janne): Maybe we should change the driver?

He shouldn't talk himself down so much. There are some promising splits here and there, he just has to string them together which I believe will come when he becomes accustomed to the Fiesta.

[swanny]

Malcom picked him over a range of other drivers. He must have believed he had something.

[Tauri_J]

Guys check Lappi's onboard on SS4 at Ott's place.

165km/h cornering speed, was same as Ott I think. Very nasty bumps and gave Lappi a scare.

[eib1]

https://vimeo.com/386931814?ref=fb-share&1&fbclid=IwAR1EVMygHrdmEWg3oIxUCSNlkqZGU7vvt9BseDQex zqsI8Z53jKI9HGojVE

[mknight]

Malcom picked him over a range of other drivers. He must have believed he had something.

(Potential) money return to Msport was likely a big factor. On basis of that it is clearly Lappi>Mikkelsen>Latvala>Meeke.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

(Potential) money return to Msport was likely a big factor. On basis of that it is clearly Lappi>Mikkelsen>Latvala>Meeke.

His first year salary owed by Citroen helped..

[COD]

Has anyone seen any news or photos on weather Msport made changes to the cars front after yesterdays leave disaster?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Has anyone seen any news or photos on weather Msport made changes to the cars front after yesterdays leave disaster?

They fixed a small mesh over the lower grille to leave space for air to enter either side.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

off road @Steph_Sarrazin SS6 #RallyeMonteCarlo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPDq3ZbXkAEVCF2?format=jpg&name=small

[wrchirek]

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83360721_2720154171365094_7476110140328902656_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=6DCRRj13nAQAX-_CEUT&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=18a0af4be5c5430ca54aaa0e350c2f7e&oe=5E997315

[jparker]

Mikkelsen or jml would have been better than rovanpera too, mut toyoda absoluyely want a japanese driver in the car, and makkinen absolutely wants a finnish kid in the car too.

So that leaves not much space for good drivers.

Someone should probably explain to Toyoda that good drivers are born, not made. Nothing good will come from Katsuta, they are just embarrassing themselves.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier leads.

[KKS]

So many people on dangerous places on a stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Very unhappy Lappi.

[KKS]

Very unhappy Lappi.
"regular" - now

[AnttiL]

Someone should probably explain to Toyoda that good drivers are born, not made. Nothing good will come from Katsuta, they are just embarrassing themselves.

If having him driving is what keeps Toyota in WRC, it's fine with me. Just like Al-Qassimi's drives were the price of Abu Dhabi sponsorship.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"regular" - now

He's a bit like Breen - things are either really fantastic or the worst ever.

He needs to be a bit more level in his emotions like Mon Loeb.

[mknight]

Somebody knows the rules for starting order for rest of the field?

Solberg started as 31. similar to yesterday even though he was 18th or so, so I wonder if he will drive so late also tomorrow.

[PLuto]

Somebody knows the rules for starting order for rest of the field?

Solberg started as 31. similar to yesterday even though he was 18th or so, so I wonder if he will drive so late also tomorrow.

All WRC, then all WRC2+WRC3 and then the rest... In this term of rules, Solberg is "nobody" on Monte.

[mknight]

All WRC, then all WRC2+WRC3 and then the rest... In this term of rules, Solberg is "nobody" on Monte.

Question was more whether they change WRC2-3 and rest depending on the standings or not. Today they did not. EDIT: Just like they didn't in WRC.

[KKS]

Oliver again catch-up a Spanish guy even with 3min gap

[Barreis]

https://www.redbull.com/se-en/events/world-rally-championship-monte-carlo-2020-event-info

[KKS]

All WRC, then all WRC2+WRC3 and then the rest... In this term of rules, Solberg is "nobody" on Monte.
But Day2 classification based on Day1 result or no from 2020?

[denkimi]

If having him driving is what keeps Toyota in WRC, it's fine with me. Just like Al-Qassimi's drives were the price of Abu Dhabi sponsorship.
if it wasn't for katsuta, rovanapera would be driving the 4th car and latvala or mikkelsen the 3th.

[AnttiL]

if it wasn't for katsuta, rovanapera would be driving the 4th car and latvala or mikkelsen the 3th.

You are quite confident about this.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/x72jvw-ZV3M

[EstWRC]

neuville https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1220745464695357441?s=20

[Sulland]

Oliver again catch-up a Spanish guy even with 3min gap

hopefully he will start in front of him tomorrow?

[TypeR]

neuville https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1220745464695357441?s=20

damn, these Hyundais are strong..

[mknight]

neuville https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1220745464695357441?s=20

Same spot as Tanak's spin.

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak

It wasn’t the start of the season that we were looking for, but fortunately we are both okey thanks to the safety equipment.

We will fight back soon!
��

[dimviii]

neuville https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1220745464695357441?s=20

very lucky he continued

[SubaruNorway]

if it wasn't for katsuta, rovanapera would be driving the 4th car and latvala or mikkelsen the 3th.

Actually it was supposed to be a shared third car with Østberg and Rovanpera probably but the bosses in Japan decided to run only one driver on the third car.

[dimviii]

Monte atmosphere,at the end Cubi with hyundai side mirror
https://youtu.be/nOzhSbYivss

[EstWRC]

Having watched now that Tänak crash like thousand times with different vids, it was the second bump which was nail in the coffin. it seems he would have made it after that first but then the second one just makes him and Martin travelers.

but it was so lucky one, massive massive crash and thank god no one wasnt at the side of the road there or something like that. The last time he had a crash massive as that was in Finland 2016.

the most painful thing is the rally is over and they cant get the experience with the car, just two test days and 3 stages so far with the car. with Sweden being questionable and you never know, the next event may even be Mexico for them.

But the pace was more than i expected, out of the 3 stages on 2 he was faster than Neuville (ok Neuville had that mega time on stage2) which i didnt expect at all before the season.

But the record with consecutive stage wins stopped now.

[Co-FIN]

..

[dimviii]

Lopez for 2nd day

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82763231_606815703221451_2409196724267515904_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=-wVszh-lyzIAX92_Z3i&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=6713609c2a800a853b48616677ac8957&oe=5E9955F5

[TypeR]

Can't understand the hype about Mads :D yes, he's a nice guy and loves rallying a lot, but don't see him being hired by some teams anymore. having already a lot troubles in WRC2..

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83583975_10157077853760678_8845238335816335360_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=Q_e7EU4fLrcAX-OsILC&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=0f77d94e561b30ecf2b0215993835d92&oe=5ED3DF85
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82876451_10157077853510678_3424341244296298496_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=TG5OL6v_7JAAX-BV4zD&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=af284c896f0560edb2d5ada382a77b30&oe=5E9D583A
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83573391_10157077853515678_6222601515262017536_o.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=zsRPgrEwy3sAX-gE6Ik&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=ee66ff7cbee23ea3cee19b4638eee45d&oe=5E918124
https://www.autohebdo.fr/sites/default/files/actualites/wrc-rallyemontecarlo-msport-ford-technique-suninen-2020.jpg

[AnttiL]

It's quite amazing that after doing 54% of the rally the top three is separated by only 6.4 seconds. And I'm sure Tänak would have been in the mix as well.

[denkimi]

You are quite confident about this.
no one in their right mind would hire a new unproven kid to fight for the manufacturers title against loeb and sordo. a fourth car yes, to learn the car and the rally's.

but then again, tommi has made a lot of stupid driver choices through the years.

[cali]

We desperately needed 4th guy at the top and by the looks of it we got it. Very very interesting season ahead.

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[SubaruNorway]

Actually not.


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What Østberg said in an parcferme.no article, i say probably Rovanpera because he was supposed be in the army but that wouldn't work with a full season so he left after 2 weeks was it?

Much more consistent and less boring on stage end interviews than half the field right now so wouldn't hurt anyone having him in WRC

[Co-FIN]

..

[hari]

Some pictures from Thursday / Friday: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_monte_carlo_2020.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/31.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/monte2/18.jpg

[Sulland]

Østberg has an advantage to most other rally2 drivers, he has driven top-class cars for many seasons, and he is used to drive at higher speeds than rally2 cars can achieve.
That is why he says he need to keep concentration and focus, his head and capabilities are not maxed out.

[dimviii]

the tricky corner where Neuville and Tanak spun
https://youtu.be/G55YEUgamJ8

[Kielder]

Suninen was close too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfu5PUlZptY

[dimviii]

what an honest guy!

Sébastien Loeb
@SebastienLoeb
Day 2
✅
And under these conditions, it's already a small victory! P4 tonight, behind the #WRC leaders, it's a good position for @HMSGOfficial
and the “Manufacturers” Championship
��
We would like to be more ahead, for sure, but for the moment, we cannot

[dimviii]

Suninen was close too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfu5PUlZptY

veeeery close!!

[EstWRC]

Suninen was close too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfu5PUlZptY

wow, very very very lucky.....thats a nasty place

[T16]

Well, some day. Watched Tanak's crash live and it properly shook me up, as I'm sure it did many others. It's kind of one of those accidents where the cause actually doesn't matter at all... Even though they didn't initially impact anything, the first hit into the field was horrific in its own right. We could have been reflecting a very sombre day and they, along with everyone who cares about the sport have had a massive let-off.
I wonder what his reaction will be. Surely that's got to have some mental impact, but I guess we hear about the mindset of top drivers in all disciplines and their ability to just crack on with the next one. Sending him wishes he can do that and get himself back to speed soon enough.

The positive has to be Evans. Let free from the shackles at M-Sport and with such a good car, he goes and nails Ogier for most of the day... what better accolade can you possibly have than being quicker than Ogier on the Monte? No matter what he does for the rest of the rally, he's made his mark more than even when he won in Wales. He's growing stronger in confidence and ability still and I would love it (and not be surprised) if he's running at the top for a long while now.

[dimviii]

day 2

https://youtu.be/nQjVa6aCn7I

[cali]

Østberg has an advantage to most other rally2 drivers, he has driven top-class cars for many seasons, and he is used to drive at higher speeds than rally2 cars can achieve.
That is why he says he need to keep concentration and focus, his head and capabilities are not maxed out.Thats so ridicilous fairytale story

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[er88]

We desperately needed 4th guy at the top and by the looks of it we got it. Very very interesting season ahead.

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkI'm one of Evans' biggest fans, love the pace he has shown and hope he can convert this to at least a good podium. But tarmac and changeable conditions has always been a strong point of his, nevermind tackling these conditions in a better car than the Fiesta.

We will have to see how he gets on in events like Sweden and other gravel events before saying he has made the top 3 a top 4.

But I'm sure everyone wants him to, and Toyota need him to as well if they are to fight for the manufacturers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The positive has to be Evans. Let free from the shackles at M-Sport and with such a good car, he goes and nails Ogier for most of the day... what better accolade can you possibly have than being quicker than Ogier on the Monte? No matter what he does for the rest of the rally, he's made his mark more than even when he won in Wales. He's growing stronger in confidence and ability still and I would love it (and not be surprised) if he's running at the top for a long while now.

What shackles at M-Sport, he was team leader last season ?

He's started well here and I hope you're right about Elfyn. But there have been many false dawns when he's shown great speed, only to make a bad mistake.

The Toyota is a top machine and the team has big bucks so he has no excuses now. Time to deliver.

[dimviii]

day 2

https://youtu.be/EryWLuR1OOY

[dimviii]

DirtFish
@DirtFishRally
You have to deal with all sorts on the Monte Carlo Rally! @thierryneuville
overtaking the fastest moving olive tree in France on his way to SS1
@HMSGOfficial
@OfficialWRC

click to link
https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1220779155312324609

[T16]

What shackles at M-Sport, he was team leader last season ?


Just the way its set up, (and I'm not complaining, I'm very glad we have them) but he's never driven there and been on a proper contract, plus he's always wondering if he / they are going to run the next season.

[EstWRC]

I'm one of Evans' biggest fans, love the pace he has shown and hope he can convert this to at least a good podium. But tarmac and changeable conditions has always been a strong point of his, nevermind tackling these conditions in a better car than the Fiesta.

We will have to see how he gets on in events like Sweden and other gravel events before saying he has made the top 3 a top 4.

But I'm sure everyone wants him to, and Toyota need him to as well if they are to fight for the manufacturers.

toally agreed, every year Evans has these 2-3 events where he is suddenly super fast and consistent but then on the other events he cant maintain that, thats the question for this year too.

Todays performance reminds me Corsica last year, didnt expect him be to that fast there and totally surprised me.

[AnttiL]

wow, very very very lucky.....thats a nasty place

Suninen was the first car, Tänak second. Later starters got warned.

[dimviii]

Sarrazin a bit unlucky you can say...
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/1220788964065521664

[dimviii]

Bonatos notes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPETNv1WkAA2wqn?format=jpg&name=medium

[gorganl2000]

Bonatos notes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPETNv1WkAA2wqn?format=jpg&name=medium

note to self, keep my day job,,,absolutely nothing in there makes any sense to me...lol
that looks like some sort of advanced maths/physics

[EstWRC]

Suninen was the first car, Tänak second. Later starters got warned.

i havent yet watched myself other drivers onboards from that place. But on estonian forum some have and say Ogier and Lappi also had quite hairy moments there.

[dimviii]

rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/7DhQwTOOiTA

[AnttiL]

Lappi was again more direct to YLE reporters. He said he thought the WAT T (Water temperature) warning on SS1 means an electrical issue (BTW Lehtinen also said after Finish line something about voltages) and started switching off lights and stuff. And he can't properly see the steering wheel buttons in the dark. Then on SS2 he had a puncture warning, although there was no puncture.

[Rally Power]

Still impressed with Tanak crash videos. Thank gods Hyundai has turn the i20 into a tank. Nice show from Evans; fingers crossed for him.

[argomees]

Bonatos notes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPETNv1WkAA2wqn?format=jpg&name=mediumGraphic novel by Stan Lee

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[AnttiL]

Still impressed with Tanak crash videos.

YLE highlights showed a face cam angle. It's scary to watch. Tänak holds onto the wheel until the car stops. The impacts are so hard their helmets are visibly moving over their heads.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark day 2 review with Seb Marshall for DirtFish
https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clark-reviews-a-wild-monte-day-one/

[SubaruNorway]

Someone trying to find the car
https://youtu.be/jyIbdr1IEZU

[dimviii]

watch the first plan,amazing spot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=nAGRr04LTvQ&feature=emb_logo

[TypeR]

Sorry for language, but I have watched different videos of today's crash for like 200 times.. and I can't still believe something like that happened and they fcking walked out of it.. Even last year's Neuville's crash was so fk sickening.. you just can't do anything behind the pc and no information is coming in.. Yes ofc the live cameras can't show it but all the thoughts makes you so sick.. Especially today.. there have been only couple of times that guys crash heavily while being AllLive.. I had my eyes off the TV like for 14.7 secs and then saw somebody of the road a bit.. First thought was that, okay it's a replay of a moment, but then realised it is live and Estonian flag on the screen..
I'm not religious or anything like 90% of estonians, but today I might have become rallygod-believing guy..
Long story - sh!t story..

[mknight]

We desperately needed 4th guy at the top and by the looks of it we got it. Very very interesting season ahead.

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It's good if it's closer on top when we have less drivers.

But I agree with others that it's early to tell.

Last year there were multiple drivers that were faster than one or more of the top 3 on a single or multiple rallies. Actually it happened on just about every other rally to Neuville and Ogier from all kinds of drivers (Lappi - SWE, FIN, TUR, Mikkelsen - Arg, Sar, FIN, TUR, Evans - Mex, COR, GB, Suninen - Sweden, Sard, Latvala - Fin... and this is just those that I remember from the top of my head, surely missing a few).

It was over multiple rallies combined that those 3 stood out so much in the standings.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPExPKlX4AYEXPR?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

checkpoint rallye video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=vyt3juAO65A&feature=emb_logo

[dimviii]

Saturday start list
https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Start-List-for-Section-4-TC8D-Saturday-25th-January-2020.pdf

[Jarek Z]

What a silly mistake by Greensmith at 0:45!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbZCElJpzNk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seeing Tanaks crashed car on a road I thought it had been dragged there from the crash site, but it actually fell that far down to the road below. Incredible !

[Steve Boyd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPExPKlX4AYEXPR?format=jpg&name=small
Isn't the top picture Gwyndaf & the bottom one Elfyn?

[dimviii]

yes^^

https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Meet_the_crew_24.01_GB.pdf

[KKS]

Morning!
Looks like all going with studded tyres this loop, or it's winter non-studded.. I'm getting confused :/

[KKS]

But it better have studds on here
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPHHMOwW4AAJwxC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPHKhu1W4AAvgnT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[theracingelf]

All studs according to Tommi Makinen

[EstWRC]

#tyre info SS8 & SS9

Ogier/Evans/Rovanperä/Neuville/Loeb/Suninen/Lappi/Greensmith: 6 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin A4CL (studded)

Katsuta Takamoto: 4A4CL + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS)

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPFd9skWAAEefsC?format=png&name=900x900

[mknight]

Almost can't remember last time they used 6 studs.... don't think they did in 2017 even. Usually it's like 3/3 or 4/2 at most.

[EstWRC]

proper Monte conditions!

[KKS]

those fcking splits didn't work till 1st car doesn't finish a stage! Embarrassing

[mknight]

those fcking splits didn't work till 1st car doesn't finish a stage! Embarrassing

Splits on live maps work better.

[Japé]

Suninen was the first car, Tänak second. Later starters got warned.

Did they got warned by some FIA incar system or by spectators? It sounded that in end of stage interview Ogier knew right away where it happened.

[KKS]

Slicks on his way ((

[EstWRC]

just found out from TV commentator that SUninen is living in Tallinn now.

[KKS]

Loeb +1.5 on 1st split O_o

[KKS]

Kalle very spectacular at the end. Love it ^_^

[EstWRC]

very mature approach from Kalle...good boy

[cali]

Rovanperä very flamboyant, good for the eye

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[EstWRC]

Loeb has been somewhere

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPHZN99X4AIP5qR?format=jpg&name=small

[KKS]

Could be shocking split from Ogier

[cali]

Nice to see how drivers take different lines and approach on the final part of the stage

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[EstWRC]

TOP3 just on another planet

[Katvala]

With the lack of more middle/top range drivers this year, the gap between top 3 and the rest will just be big like this

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[KKS]

Suninen mini-moment that spotted on wrc-live , from outside view
https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/1220994791464415232

[mknight]

With the lack of more middle/top range drivers this year, the gap between top 3 and the rest will just be big like this

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Well let's hope MSport guys are less hopeless on other rallies. Similarly Hyundais 3rd car has to be better than this.

[Tarmop]

Hyundai`s third car is at the moment Hyundais 2nd car, holding P4 and earning precious manuf. points.

[mknight]

Hyundai`s third car is at the moment Hyundais 2nd car, holding P4 and earning precious manuf. points.

We have eyes

Point is that it is 1 s/km behind the top 3. That should not be the case on most rallies.
EDIT: Certainly not with road position advantages on gravel.

[Jakem]

Hyundai`s third car is at the moment Hyundais 2nd car, holding P4 and earning precious manuf. points.

:D Really?

[Tarmop]

RMC is not like most rallies. People with eyes should see that also...

[Katvala]

This was last year after 9 stageshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200125/75767b7ade3d27d56780728bd0767cef.jpg

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[EstWRC]

so exactly the same gap now today between Ogier and Neuville

Citroen was better/as good as Toyota? :D

[KKS]

Splits on live maps work better.
now on live-maps they broke too. What a useless people doing this!? 2020! We don't have worked splits. On 2003 with a dial-up connection I have it. Move back me to 2003! :mad:

[mknight]

This was last year after 9 stageshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200125/75767b7ade3d27d56780728bd0767cef.jpg

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In this specific case it's not very comparable, last year top drivers had a lot of very different tire choices trough thrusday and friday in different conditions.

The one obvious difference is where Evans was then compared with now.

[Katvala]

Yep, I wasn't making a point just interesting to see. Main difference is we now have three drivers fighting for the win rather than 2

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[denkimi]

Citroen was better/as good as Toyota? :D
sometimes yes, if it worked the way it was intended.

but if we look at evans, we can say the toyota is much much better than the fiesta.

[Tarmop]

And in Corsica, Fiesta was a much better car right?

[EstWRC]

sometimes yes, if it worked the way it was intended.

but if we look at evans, we can say the toyota is much much better than the fiesta.

i wouldnt draw any conclusions yet on car peformances, especially based on Monte...

[TypeR]

pretty dangerous pump on around 9.10-9.15 according to Suninens time

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice run by Gus after yesterday.

[EstWRC]

Tänak crash incar https://www.facebook.com/robert.kikkatalo/videos/1399548926892775/

[Katvala]

Lol, the "which car is better" discussion will keep on after earth is gone probably. It's not so black and white in bad or good car.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Teemu slower but laughing...

[KKS]

Gus doing well compare to late splits. Very strange that he will be quick from that early position

[Rallyper]

pretty dangerous pump on around 9.10-9.15 according to Suninens time

And clips now on driver instead of bonnet passing... :(

[dimviii]

Tänak crash incar https://www.facebook.com/robert.kikkatalo/videos/1399548926892775/

oh my God...

[TypeR]

Tänak crash incar https://www.facebook.com/robert.kikkatalo/videos/1399548926892775/

WRC+ has longer Onboard.. should have cut the end part tho.
Ott says he can't breathe couple of times while getting out of the car..