WRC Rally Sweden 2020

[EstWRC]

Morning guys.

It seems it has rained overnight, at least in service park and also snowing at hof- finnskog

[EstWRC]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
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3m
Rallirinki correspondent have parked his car on the same spot near Hof-Finnskog as yesterday. It's now +2 celcius as yesterday it was -13. It's a different game today.


#Tyre info - SS5

All the
@Michelin@OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN X-Ice North 3


#Tyre info - SS5

#WRC2

@MadsOstberg
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@AdrienFourmaux
/ Yates Rhys /
@HuttunenRacing
/ Lindholm Emil: 5 MICHELIN NA01s

[EstWRC]

New day same stage like yesterday.
SS Hof-Finskogen 2

Weather +3 Cloudy and snowy sections of the stage possible mist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQzFEWdXUAA59Ju?format=jpg&name=4096x4096



https://twitter.com/FinChef1/status/1228573530234740741?s=20

[KKS]

Here we go to the mud bath. Welcome to Walsy'Norwy'Sweden )

[Rallyper]

Morning guys of rallying.
Exciting two days to come. Tomorrow seems to be the ultimate challenge...

[EstWRC]

stage looking in very good condition IMO, the base is good

[Tauri_J]

Into the unknown we go...

[mknight]

Well I am not in the forrest today, due to things that were planned before the revised schedule :(

Too bad since today the differences will imo be much bigger than yesterday.

[KKS]

just to remind... one and only normal working splits - https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes

[EstWRC]

Katsutas time faster than EVans yesterday

[mknight]

just to remind... one and only normal working splits - https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes

The only problem is that they are much slower than those on WRC+ maps.

[EstWRC]

Suninen thinks its better to start from the back

[Tauri_J]

Suninen thinks its better to start from the back

Well, times are telling us the same story

[Rallyper]

Did Janne say "aja kulta..."?

[Rallyper]

Ogier much more relaxed this year.

[dimviii]

Tanak fastest at first split

[EstWRC]

Tänak holding up witht he Toyotas but so difficultto make differences today, eberybody knowns the stages

[EstWRC]

Tänak and Neuville both complaining about stiff suspension

[dimviii]

amazing Evans!

[KKS]

Wow what a progress every split from Evans. It's not just fastest time like it bang. Constant every split faster. Impressive, impressive. Never expect that from Evans

[EstWRC]

im gonna make a early predicton too now(like many here)

Evans will be champion this year, i havent seen something as impressive as this in a long time. i can see him getting even faster as the season progresses

[KKS]

Tänak and Neuville both complaining about stiff suspension
when you 4 yrs in a row must use handbrake to make car turn into a corner - that's something wrong with a car. Tanak knew it but change a team anyway

[Rallyper]

Evans all over the place at the end. Could see the marks from Mads incar...

[KKS]

im gonna make a early predicton too now(like many here)

Evans will be champion this year, i havent seen something as impressive as this in a long time. i can see him getting even faster as the season progresses
We must wait till gravel rallys and see how Evans was there.
I bet it was 1.Ogier 2. Tanak 3.Evans battle for WDC. In that order.

[dimviii]

135.4 km/h for Evans

[dimviii]

We must wait till gravel rallys and see how Evans was there.
I bet it was 1.Ogier 2. Tanak 3.Evans battle for WDC. In that order.

Neuville?

[COD]

im gonna make a early predicton too now(like many here)

Evans will be champion this year, i havent seen something as impressive as this in a long time. i can see him getting even faster as the season progresses

Surely reminds me of a another Toyota driver last year

[AnttiL]

Did Tänak almost say he is missing Toyota (that go-kart feeling)?

Anyway, too early to say Evans is the biggest championship contender, remember how Latvala was at this part of the season in 2017. Hyundai is strong on the technical gravel rallies and there will be four of them coming next. I'm ready to place Tänak as no1 on my pickems for Mexico.

[STI69]

when you 4 yrs in a row must use handbrake to make car turn into a corner - that's something wrong with a car. Tanak knew it but change a team anyway

Tänak will fix this car in a month a two, he did the same to Yaris too. Lappi told in his interview on the Tänak Movie extra DVD, that they all thought Yaris is as fast as it can be but then came Ott and after some rallies requested change to dampers and bang, car was much faster.

[TypeR]

let's wait till proper rallies with normal road conditions..
I'm sure Tänak will make the Hyundai better, because he has much more experience with current WRC cars, while Neuville only knows Hyundai and I think he is ,,out of ideas'' what to change or do with the car

[mknight]

8 out of 13 rounds are dry gravel, most of it slow. How Evans (and Toyota) will do on that is a big question still. However his step up when changing the car is truly amazing. Especially considering how he compared with Ogier in same car in 2018.

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when you 4 yrs in a row must use handbrake to make car turn into a corner - that's something wrong with a car. Tanak knew it but change a team anyway

Tbh I think Neuville doesn't even think that it's strange to do that anymore. He is just used to use the handbrake to turn in every corner.

[KKS]

Pontus: "Grip - OK, stage - was good, all - incredible...." but you lost 10sec to stage winner. HOW? If all was very OK

[krissucool]

It is going to be super weird seeing Evans and Rovanperä completely dominate Tänak in Finland, in which is his strongest rally.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQxA946WsAAPqhT?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQxA943X0AEPj3h?format=jpg&name=large

[KKS]

Tänak will fix this car in a month a two, he did the same to Yaris too. Lappi told in his interview on the Tänak Movie extra DVD, that they all thought Yaris is as fast as it can be but then came Ott and after some rallies requested change to dampers and bang, car was much faster.
It's require time and... testing days that slightly limited nowdays. Also we must remember that it's same car as Neuville drove. Hyundai can't develop two different cars for Tanak and Nueville. So if Tanak will fix car - he fix car for himself and Neuville not gonna be happy with that, cuz he has different driving style.

[mknight]

Did Tänak almost say he is missing Toyota (that go-kart feeling)?

That's how I understood his comment as well. When asked what he was missing he said "that gokart feeling" (which he had in Toyota)



Tänak will fix this car in a month a two, he did the same to Yaris too. Lappi told in his interview on the Tänak Movie extra DVD, that they all thought Yaris is as fast as it can be but then came Ott and after some rallies requested change to dampers and bang, car was much faster.

Depends on how much actually can be changed and how much they will want to change if it makes Neuville slower. On tarmac based on Loeb and Mikkelsen it looked like things actually couldn't be changed.

[EstWRC]

That's how I understood his comment as well. When asked what he was missing he said "that gokart feeling" (which he had in Toyota).


he was asked how the feeling was and he answered still not good because the car still feels like go-cart, not that he is missing it.

Neuville said the same, the car was too stiff

[TypeR]

Tänak is WDC, Neuville is not and Adamo wants to win.. if Tänak asks to try something different and fix the possible problem, then I think Adamo would listen Tänak and find the solution..

[KKS]

RC2 has very tight to groups with great battles. P1-P4, P5-P7. Hope Oliver can make much better day today

[mknight]

he was asked how the feeling was and he answered still not good because the car still feels like go-cart, not that he is missing it.

Neuville said the same, the car was too stiff

Question: "What's the issue with the feeling, what are you missing"
Tanak:" It's just the... go-kart feeling".

See for yourself now on the allive record of the stage at 31:30 in.

[AnttiL]

For example Kankkunen said about 205T16 that it turns easily like a go-kart, whereas Delta S4 is more difficult to drive

[EstWRC]

Tänak doesnt want the car to feel like go-kart, he said the same comment about Toyota in Monte 2018 on one stage when the dampers were too stiff


his english isnt best so some things get lost in translation

but ok, everybody can understand it as they want

[dimviii]

Hope Oliver can make much better day today

Oliver Solberg
My first #WRC3 stage with @MotorsportSkoda
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[doubled1978]

RC2 has very tight to groups with great battles. P1-P4, P5-P7. Hope Oliver can make much better day today

Yeah awesome battle, I’m just going to call it R5 as this WRC2/3 none sense annoys me.
Great to see 4/5 so close and going at it...and it should stay close as in those classes the guys behind will have a better road position today it looks.

[KKS]

Michelin Motorsport
3m
#Tyre info - SS6/SS7/SS16 All the @Michelinb @OfficialWRC drivers with 6 MICHELIN X-Ice North 3 except
@thierryneuville and @TeemuSuninenRac with 5 tyres.

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Tyre weight strategy this day

[er88]

Don't want to speak so soon, but what is so impressive about Evans is that he seems so comfortable when setting these faster times than Ogier (was the same in Monte bar the last 4stages).

[TypeR]

Michelin Motorsport
3m
#Tyre info - SS6/SS7/SS16 All the @Michelinb @OfficialWRC drivers with 6 MICHELIN X-Ice North 3 except
@thierryneuville and @TeemuSuninenRac with 5 tyres.

//
Tyre weight strategy this day

so Neuville and Suninen can get only 1 new tyre after SS6, others get 2 new ones

[Rallyper]

Don't want to speak so soon, but what is so impressive about Evans is that he seems so comfortable when setting these faster times than Ogier (was the same in Monte bar the last 4stages).

Yes he seems calm and comfortable, but is very wild in his driving. It might punish him now and then. Let´s see.

Impressive so far though.

[TypeR]

According to Rally Sweden Fb, there will only be PS tomorrow. First run cancelled, but still full points.

[raybak]

WRC+ not working for me. Anyone else?

Ray

[Tauri_J]

Weather will be atrocious tomorrow, good call

[EstWRC]

good news for Evans (less km) but he is untouchable anyway

[AnttiL]

So after the current stage, only two long stages and one short to go. Basically as if it was Sunday morning now.

[KKS]

WRC+ not working for me. Anyone else?

Ray
work so far

[KKS]

Ogier on a push. I think he aim Tanak today

[KKS]

Esapekka 'to be honest' Lappi :D

[Tauri_J]

Ogier on a push. I think he aim Tanak today

too few km to go, i think

[COD]

Suninen totally lost on speed on second rally in a row. Not looking good

[EstWRC]

and then comes Evans....

[TypeR]

,,Hey Kalle, it's Tommi! Ogier is behind you!''

Kalle: I don't know where my speed is :D

[KKS]

,,hey kalle, it's tommi! Ogier is behind you!''

kalle: I don't know where my speed is :d
. :D :D :D


Tanak show how that last corner should be driven

[EstWRC]

Tänak showing these times with not a good fleeing, cant wait to see when he gets it sorted

he said yesterday he felt really good on gravelly sections

[Sulland]

Suninen totally lost on speed on second rally in a row. Not looking good

Malcolm need to do something. Sunninen is fast, but he does not have the psyke to pick himself up from bad rallies.

But the car does also play a role, looking at Evans blossom in Toyota.

[cali]

Evans untouchable

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[ipe]

Evans is flying!

[KKS]

WOW Evans. I'm not bored wondering that times

[mknight]

Now even Alllive crew picked up that Evans is just like Tanak here last year.

[Rallyper]

Last year we said Ott was from other planet...

This year we have another alien. :) :)

[krissucool]

Tänak showing these times with not a good fleeing, cant wait to see when he gets it sorted

he said yesterday he felt really good on gravelly sections

If he ever gets it sorted. We have seen a few guys in Hyundai not ever being able to do it.

[TypeR]

seems like Evans is doing ,,Tänak'' this year.. coming from Ford, 3rd in Monte and really close to win Sweden with incredible pace

[mknight]

Last year Hyundai typically was slower than Toyota on the first passes but faster on second ones, but on this specific rally we haven't really had normal second pass conditions yet.

[KKS]

Huttunen past Mads while Mads try get Lindholm %)

[COD]

Huttunen showing why he should have been in the official Hyundai R5 team. But money talks

[EstWRC]

Last year Hyundai typically was slower than Toyota on the first passes but faster on second ones, but on this specific rally we haven't really had normal second pass conditions yet.

yep, yhats what im missing too, plus the drivers could change the setup in service which is also missig now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Brilliant speed from Evans again today and he looks so focussed and confident.

Ogier said no team-orders this year thinking it was just natural for him to be no.1. What now Seb !??

[TypeR]

Tom Kristennson showing super times with Fiesta R2, being close to last R5's and even faster than some of them..

[krissucool]

Ogier seems really pissy at stage ends. Seems to be not happy with the car.

Thats weird as Tänak, Evans, Meeke etc have previously felt very at home with the Toyota from the first kilometers. (Rovanperä the same it would seem)

So is he the only one not being able to fit into the Toyota rather well or are his moods mainly down to his team mate just trashing him.

[KKS]

Till 4th splits all was looking good for Oliver to get RC2 stage win and another WRC3 stage win, but than something going wrong :/
But still 2nd fastest.

[mknight]

Ogier seems really pissy at stage ends. Seems to be not happy with the car.

Thats weird as Tänak, Evans, Meeke etc have previously felt very at home with the Toyota from the first kilometers. (Rovanperä the same it would seem)

So is he the only one not being able to fit into the Toyota rather well or are his moods mainly down to his team mate just trashing him.

Here it doesn't seem Ogier is really pushing into the (fast) corners. Trying to be smooth and straight instead all the time. Somehow like he doesn't trust the car for some reason.

[dimviii]

Evans ............ 42 pts

Neuville ......... 38 pts

Ogier ............ 37 pts

Lappi ........... 33 pts

Rovanpera ... 22 pts

Tanak ........... 18 pts

[dimviii]

Antti // It Gets Faster Now!
@AnttiL_WRC
The whole #RallySweden leader average speed is now at 126.6 km/h . The fastest WRC event so far has been Finland 2016, at 126.62 km/h. #WRCLive

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQzu6c7XsAA2t9a?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[EstWRC]

Taka sayin this one was the worst with conditions

[er88]

Suninen needs to sort himself out. Poor start to the season.

[KKS]

Breen two splits faster than Neuville

[EstWRC]

Go Lappi!

[Tauri_J]

Neuville looks really slow with his 5 tyres

[KKS]

Nueville now start to complain about time and Breen )

[krissucool]

It is getting rather embarrassing for Suninen. Lappi shows you can have some speed with that car.

[EstWRC]

EVERYBODY COMING A LOT faster now, Rovanpera fastest in 1st split

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Lappi great time.

[KKS]

Rovanpera!

[krissucool]

Get in there, Lappi!

[er88]

Well in Lappi. Good time even with the road cleaning

[krissucool]

Come on you crazy Fins, show them frogs what you are made of!

[EstWRC]

Go kalle!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing Kalle smashing Ogier !!

[dimviii]

Come on you crazy Fins, show them frogs what you are made of!

who is the frog? Evans?

[er88]

Haha have that Seb!!! Go on Kalle

[Allez Andruet]

An absolute monster time from Kalle!

[krissucool]

who is the frog? Evans?

Naah, Evans is cool.

[EstWRC]

when i see EVans onboard, he actually doesnt seem very nice and tidy but the times are awesome, compared to Tänak for example who keeps the car very straight everywhere

E: see? just made a mistake as i was writing

[KKS]

how much heartbeat do we have now?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job Elfyn !

[cali]

I must say for keeping in mind long perspective Kalle's speed is terrifying

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[er88]

I must say for keeping in mind long perspective Kalle's speed is terrifying

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkBasically a question of how many titles he'll win :D

[EstWRC]

Today

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/60140-rally-sweden-2020/?leg=2

[mknight]

So we are handing out titles again already...

[KKS]

Huttunen might lead RC2 after this stage.
E: yes.

[krissucool]

Considering the starting positions, would it be fair to say that Katsuta was as fast or faster then Suninen today, being first on the road?

[Eli]

im gonna make a early predicton too now(like many here)

Evans will be champion this year, i havent seen something as impressive as this in a long time. i can see him getting even faster as the season progresses

Told you he changed after Monte-Carlo, something clicked there, and it shows here...Really hope he can maintain the speed and claim his second victory, Fingers crossed.

[bassist]

Great job Elfyn !

Go on my son, you got this in the bag if you keep your head!!!!

[cali]

Basically a question of how many titles he'll win :DWe never know what happens in the future but more experienced Kalle is a frightening thought

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[mknight]

Fun facts (not necessarily related?)

- 2019 after Friday first Toyota (2nd place), 16s ahead of first Hyundai behind it
- 2020 after "Friday" stages and about same amount of km first Toyota (1st place), 17s ahead of first Hyundai behind it

Lots of Differences though:
- conditions, Friday stages over 2 days this year, Suninen leading last year and this year almost slowest WRC, Tanak only common driver

Other things in common:
Toyota driver starting 3rd on the road, Hyundai driver starting as one of the last cars

[Rallyper]

when i see EVans onboard, he actually doesnt seem very nice and tidy but the times are awesome, compared to Tänak for example who keeps the car very straight everywhere

E: see? just made a mistake as i was writing

Yeah. He has been all over the place but fast.

[COD]

Huttunen might lead RC2 after this stage.
E: yes.

Shaming the official Hyundai wrc3 drivers

[Allez Andruet]

What a drive by Huttunen on that stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans is certainly in the title fight now but its way too soon to write the others off.

[Rallyper]

Oliver Solberg interviewed in swedish at stageends reminds completely of Petter. So determined. And also laughing and giving cool answers to swedish reporters... You should hear...

[BleAivano]

Swedish Television interviews a spectator who have come all the way from Barbados.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varmland/fran-barbados-till-svenska-rallyt

[Katvala]

Not many changes in position in this one! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200215/3a85064cbffc16e669cf6f0d6339ad92.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200215/999e8585600b67109d77893caa39dc9a.jpg

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[Tarmop]

Hold your horses. Now comes the interesting part: opening the road and copeing with Toyota tech. issues ( demonstrated by Latvala's car already).

[andyone]

im gonna make a early predicton too now(like many here)

Evans will be champion this year, i havent seen something as impressive as this in a long time. i can see him getting even faster as the season progressesI agree with you. And Evans hasnt been a crashing person. His speed.is not normal. He is good

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[andyone]

when you 4 yrs in a row must use handbrake to make car turn into a corner - that's something wrong with a car. Tanak knew it but change a team anywayHe just ditched his second championship win the minute he did that decision

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[mknight]

I'll write it again:
9 out of 13 rounds are on gravel
7 out of these are on "rough" gravel.

On rough gravel Hyundai wasn't far off Toyota most of last year (certainly not in second half of the year). We haven't yet seen a single round on it this year.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ0E22UWAAUrKAj?format=jpg&name=medium


http://ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2020.html

[KKS]

Shaming the official Hyundai wrc3 drivers
Maybe you have say wrc2 drivers? Huttunen only one at Hyundai in WRC3

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sunday to only run with ONE stage...

[KKS]

Sunday to only run with ONE stage...
Sunday and TWO stages doesn't sound so well too. So at least one stage it's good.

[stefanvv]

Yeah. He has been all over the place but fast.

Leans on the non-existing snowbanks.

[tommeke_B]

Another question is if they'll let all drivers run that stage tomorrow... Maybe they'll cancel it after WRC and WRC2 drivers as the road could be completely destroyed.

[KKS]

Another question is if they'll let all drivers run that stage tomorrow... Maybe they'll cancel it after WRC and WRC2 drivers as the road could be completely destroyed.
IMHO they didn't care about other who not showing on TV. It must be good for top RC2 and all WRC, other - didn't care if they stuck in mud or not

[COD]

Maybe you have say wrc2 drivers? Huttunen only one at Hyundai in WRC3

Yes, my mistake. Stupid two championships for similar cars

[AnttiL]

Has a Hyundai ever before led the RC2 category in a WRC event?

[BigWorm]

Has a Hyundai ever before led the RC2 category in a WRC event?

Don't think so although Abbring's pace when it was brand new was decent. It seems to be much better now.

[the sniper]

Got to say that Emil Lindholm comes across very well as a personality, English language media wise. Shame this sport doesn't make the most of such people.

'Studio Torsby' was worth watching on All Live, nice stuff.

[EstWRC]

haha this stage looks exactly like wales

[KKS]

Power stage has same road condition as this Torsby sprint stage? It's horrible

[krissucool]

Erm, All live working for you?

[KKS]

Erm, All live working for you?
yep

[Rallyper]

Power stage has same road condition as this Torsby sprint stage? It's horrible

Have you been there today?

[EstWRC]

Ogier again shaking his head

ive noticed he is using like only his left hand mostly when steering? anyone else?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Horrible ugly stage with no snow or ice. Not the pictures this rally wants to be sending out...

[EstWRC]

Kalle fell behind Ogier again, for sure he wont be allowed to push tomorrow?

[Rallyper]

Leans on the non-existing snowbanks.

Had there been snowbanks he´d been stuck on last stage...

[KKS]

Have you been there today?
it's a short fun stage so really not matter what condition they are. But if PS has same - it's horrible. Before the rally we expect even snow on Sunday, but now forecast +7 and rain

[Rallyper]

it's a short fun stage so really not matter what condition they are. But if PS has same - it's horrible. Before the rally we expect even snow on Sunday, but now forecast +7 and rain

Aaahh. Didn´t see you were asking...

No Likenäs should be more icy and better condition, if it´s not melting away coming night.

[Tauri_J]

ive noticed he is using like only his left hand mostly when steering? anyone else?

It has been always like this. Maybe to use handbrake instantly when needed

[KKS]

Fourmaux didn't start at his minute

[EstWRC]

It has been always like this. Maybe to use handbrake instantly when needed

Ok thanks. I’ve never noticed it so much

[RS]

Has a Hyundai ever before led the RC2 category in a WRC event?

The R5 class seems really competitive here, both in terms of drivers and cars. The Hyundai, Skoda, Citroen and VW all seem on a good level now.

[TanaKa]

Evans is cooking a Rally jamie oliver ,, exquisite,nobody put him in that position

[EstWRC]

Järveoja is saying that tomorrow will be the biggest challenge

Of course depending on how much damage the overnight rain does

[AnttiL]

It has been always like this. Maybe to use handbrake instantly when needed

No, it's to keep the right hand at the gearshifter. I think Tänak does the same, shifting the position on the wheel on longer bends in order to be able to shift quickly.

[AnttiL]

haha this stage looks exactly like wales

If Wales Rally GB looked like this people would complain it looks weird because it's so dry and not muddy.

[AnttiL]

Järveoja is saying that tomorrow will be the biggest challenge

Of course depending on how much damage the overnight rain does

Looking bad really, heavy rain and lots of plus degrees, without going to minus in between. Still, I don't believe they would cancel it at this point.

[the sniper]

Still, I don't believe they would cancel it at this point.

Me either. Not with it being the Powerstage. It'll be what it'll be. Wouldn't surprise me if they stop it before the JWRC come through though, if it's bad.

[mknight]

Likenas has always been a terrible stage for Hyundai. So unless it changes into safari-rally style they might end with just one car in top 5 in the stage.

[Old Rally Fan]

Hello to everyone. I am "new" on this forum. As my nickname suggests, I was deeply interested in WRC, that was the "old epoch", second half of 90s, early 2000s. Than I lost a bit sight of WRC (but not completely, I know who has won champ titles during the last several years). And now I try to back to old passion. I found this phantastic forum. Could you answer, from time to time, some questions from me? I try to realize, what's happening now in this business. And here comes my first question: is there any explanation, why in the previous season Hyundai was - as it was said in one post - usually slower than Toyota on the first run of stages, but faster during the repetition? What is the explanation for this regularity (if it was regularity)? Thanks!

[mknight]

Welcome to the forum.


is there any explanation, why in the previous season Hyundai was - as it was said in one post - usually slower than Toyota on the first run of stages, but faster during the repetition? What is the explanation for this regularity (if it was regularity)? Thanks!

Obviously we don't know and we don't have detailed telemetry or other info so we can just speculate.
In general I'd say there are two main theories:
- Yaris is "softer" and hugs the road better, so when surface is smooth it can stay low and hug the surface which together with better aero makes it faster, Hyundai is much more stable and suspension absorbs rough surface better so drivers can push harder in rough conditions without getting thrown around.
- I20 seems harder to set-up and small changes seem to do a lot (until they changed damper supplier last year they also had like 50 dampers to choose from), so after first pass they can analyze the setup and tweak it better for second runs

How much any of these is correct is hard to tell, might be it's for some other reason completely. But it's a fact that Hyundais do better on second runs (especially on gravel) and on rougher stages compared with Toyota.

[AnttiL]

Welcome! My fan history is similar, I remember the 90's well but I got bored in the early 00's, then coming back along the new cars in 2017.

On the topic, it also seems Hyundai is suited better to rougher than smoother rallies in general. For example, it has never done well in Finland.

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Z_SDscf2E
Neuville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEU7LDZGBw
Evans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx1umlnV4PU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnDrL5mcNLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptuh836COPM amazing vid

[Norm75]

Welcome to the forum.



Obviously we don't know and we don't have detailed telemetry or other info so we can just speculate.
In general I'd say there are two main theories:
- Yaris is "softer" and hugs the road better, so when surface is smooth it can stay low and hug the surface which together with better aero makes it faster, Hyundai is much more stable and suspension absorbs rough surface better so drivers can push harder in rough conditions without getting thrown around.
- I20 seems harder to set-up and small changes seem to do a lot (until they changed damper supplier last year they also had like 50 dampers to choose from), so after first pass they can analyze the setup and tweak it better for second runs

How much any of these is correct is hard to tell, might be it's for some other reason completely. But it's a fact that Hyundais do better on second runs (especially on gravel) and on rougher stages compared with Toyota.

I would say it's probably a combination of both of your theories.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/imitaattori1981/status/1228659640013119491?s=20

[masa90]

Oh not that guy again. He spams those imitations so much.

[dimviii]

Jari Huttunen
”Today was a maximum attack day and everything went well, just a small drama with a broken oil sump. Interesting sunday ahead.”
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[EstWRC]

flaaaattt ouuutttt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jFAGt8bnI

[mknight]

Anyone seen any kind of vid with Adamo since the start of the rally? Cause I haven't, not in Alllive or anywhere else since Thursday. Tommi is on almost tall the time and Millener has been on DirtFish twice.. but no Adamo.

[dimviii]

is it right that Huttunens hyundai is old spec?


Jarno Saari
@SaariJarno
Very high on 'Driver Of The Day' list:
@HuttunenRacing
drives flat out with older spec Hyundai i20 R5 car!
#HatsOff #FlyingFinn #WRCLive

[EstWRC]

Anyone seen any kind of vid with Adamo since the start of the rally? Cause I haven't, not in Alllive or anywhere else since Thursday. Tommi is on almost tall the time and Millener has been on DirtFish twice.. but no Adamo.

Adamo: "im not paid to be in ALLLIVE and in media, im paid to be nr.1 and world champions"

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
SS Likenäs road condition on Saturday afternoon. Road surface has still ice, but it's melting and the forecasted overnight rain is yet to come. Also entrance roads are getting soft. #WRC #WRClive #RallySweden
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Tapio Lehtonen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ0rTziXYAE_YAT?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ0pJtAWoAA7cpT?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Gary Boyd
@KiwiWRCfan
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2m
Rally Trivia
Seb Loeb has lead a rally from start to finish 19 times
Seb Ogier has lead a rally from start to finish 9 times

The last 3 times driver not named Seb have lead a #WRC event from start to finish are
Finland 2014 - Latvala
Sardinia 2009 - Latvala
Japan 2008 - Hirvonen

[mknight]

Adamo: "im not paid to be in ALLLIVE and in media, im paid to be nr.1 and world champions"

Yeah that's what he could say. But you know when he does "simple explanations" like this it invites for simple questions/replies to him. Like: "You are failing at both at the moment."

I still remember his words before Monte: "We have the best car, so we also need(ed) the best drivers." (which they got according to him). Certainly a very confident thing to say, which might not age well. So far it certainly hasn't, but it's early in the season.

Well, I was also one of those that was convinced manu champs was easy win for Hyundai seeing Toyota lineup compared with theirs before Monte.


Kind of reminds me of Matton at the end of 2016 a bit.... when after VW quit he said he already had his team of drivers and was "maybe" only interested in talking with Ogier. (but wouldn't let him test the car). 6 months later Ogier was leading WDC in another team, Latvala was fighting for the same title with Toyota and Mikkelsen was driving the Citroen after Lefevbre had no pace and kept crashing and Meeke was crashing while having pace.

[dimviii]

very easy conclusions from everybody. Hold on guys,we are just at the start.
First gravel rally will show much more, that these 2 special rallies.

[AnttiL]

is it right that Huttunens hyundai is old spec?


Jarno Saari
@SaariJarno
Very high on 'Driver Of The Day' list:
@HuttunenRacing
drives flat out with older spec Hyundai i20 R5 car!
#HatsOff #FlyingFinn #WRCLive

I don't know but Jarno is usually quite trustworthy

[mknight]

very easy conclusions from everybody. Hold on guys,we are just at the start.
First gravel rally will show much more, that these 2 special rallies.

Point is that Adamo is known to make decisions immediately if something doesn't work out. Typically on Sunday evening after a rally where something hasn't gone right he is already kicking drivers for next rally (Mikkelsen like this 2 times, Loeb now after Monte) or entering I20WRCs on local rallies for extra testing.

So wonder what comes tomorrow. Tanak driving some gravel rally? (he is already entered in one though)

[EstWRC]

Weather forecast for tomorrow's sole special stage, SS Likenäs 2 Power Stage, looks like one in which you'd normally prefered to stay at home. Heavy rains with wind. If all that rain would come down as snow, it'd be 20-30 cm of heavy snow

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1228772001789161473?s=20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ15m14X0AU5NrI?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

So wonder what comes tomorrow. Tanak driving some gravel rally? (he is already entered in one though)

Τanak is doing brilliant job so far.Fastest hyundai,after a big crash,in front of Ogier with a yaris,while he is not really confident with the car.
At Mexico with his road position will win easily.

[Rally Power]

Hold your horses. Now comes the interesting part: opening the road and copeing with Toyota tech. issues ( demonstrated by Latvala's car already).

True, but in face of Evans fantastic speed we can already tell that the Yaris is still the fastest car overall and that Ogier concistency is not enough anymore to keep him at the top; being also beaten by a 19 y.o. kid on his 2nd outing in a WRC car says it all.

[er88]

Anyone seen any kind of vid with Adamo since the start of the rally? Cause I haven't, not in Alllive or anywhere else since Thursday. Tommi is on almost tall the time and Millener has been on DirtFish twice.. but no Adamo.Only one I saw was Friday morning with Becs, just as the cars were leaving service before SS1. Not seen or heard any others since rally got underway

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OZzfjdAus

[RS]

The top three is pretty settled then, Rovanpera/Lappi/Neuville and the R5 battle will be more interesting.

[deephouse]

Man, how many times Elfyn was in this position until now. If he doesn't win this, I don't know what universe is against him...

[hari]

Some pictures from Saturday: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2020.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2020.htmlhttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/36.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/14.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/19.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/7.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2020/schweden4/10.jpg

[dimviii]

2448/5000
Elfyn Evans of Toyota has been completely dominant in the Swedish World Rally. The Welshman is just one special away from the second World Cup win of his career.

The Swedish Rally has been driven by eight special stages, with Evans driving as many as five times. Evans, who moved from M-Sport Ford to Tommi Mäkinen to lead the Toyota WRC team this season, leads the race with 17.2 seconds ahead of reigning world champion Ott Tänak.

- We are now in a similar situation to last year, when Tänak drove his own race and others followed. Now the car is the same, but the driver is different, Mäkinen told Rally.f.

- Elfyn has a very good feeling in the car, he has no need to do anything but focus on driving. He hasn't touched any adjustments in the car throughout the race, Mäkinen mumbled



Mäkinen revealed that Evans had made changes to his driving style for the Swedish World Rally. And it has produced results.

- In tests, Elfyn's driving style was quite different. We took the view that driving should be slightly revised. We went through that very carefully. And it sank quickly - PAM! He immediately changed his driving style, Mäkinen described.

Evans will rise to the top of the World Series if he clears Sunday's only special stage without extra program. Toyota's new star can even fight for the championship this season.

- I could think of her as one of her biggest champion favorites. He is good at all gravel races and he is also very good on asphalt. His confidence is growing all the time.

Evans had already made promising passes in Ford's wheel, but the start of the season for Toyota has been incredibly good. In the season opener in Monte Carlo, Evans fought for victory, but eventually finished third.

- Everybody on the team is pretty lips round how he can drive so hard, Mäkinen was amazed.

Toyota has good buns in the oven in Sweden, with six-time world champion Sebastien Ogier third and WRC newcomer Kalle Rovanperä fourth. Rovanperä is only half a second away from the Ogierista, and the Toyota duo struggling with each other instead of the prize last Sunday Power Stage
https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makisen-tiimin-uusi-tahti-pisti-tallipaallikonkin-hamilleen-kaikki-ovat-ihan-huuli-pyoreina/

[Old Rally Fan]

I would say it's probably a combination of both of your theories.

Thanks a lot for your answers and for the "combination", sounds convincing. Very interesting. Well, we'll see, what happens on Sunday. Specially the game for the third position looks promising. Nice to trace!

[satnav]

There's a stage video from Likenas on the Rally site ……...https://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

[AnttiL]

There's a stage video from Likenas on the Rally site ……...https://rallysweden.com/en/competitors/documents/

Filmed yesterday afternoon. It must already look different.

[Tauri_J]

Likenäs start yesterday was pretty bad already before the rain.

[mknight]

Τanak is doing brilliant job so far.Fastest hyundai,after a big crash,in front of Ogier with a yaris,while he is not really confident with the car.
At Mexico with his road position will win easily.

Surely, you are not saying that Adamo should be satisfied with Sweden?

You write yourself that Tänak isn't satisfied with the car. Note that here he had good road position on friday as well and Hyundai has never won in Mexico before.

[dimviii]

Surely, you are not saying that Adamo should be satisfied with Sweden?

You write yourself that Tänak isn't satisfied with the car. Note that here he had good road position on friday as well and Hyundai has never won in Mexico before.

Αdamo of course would not be satisfied with a 2nd place,but thats not the problem of Tanak or Neuville.
Both of them,is a known quality and what they can do, if the car is well setup for each rally.
Tanak is coming from a big crash,and from first km is faster from Ogier Neuville.Dont forget it.
also is visual that yaris at this surface is just a better car.
That hyundai had never won in Mexico,thats not going to keep for ever.See c3 at asphalt ,fiesta last year at Sweden etc

[KKS]

Corrected itinerary for today
https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/bulletin-no.-6.pdf

[dimviii]

same corner,watch the hyundais

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2414.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2426.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2445.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2404.jpg

[krissucool]

Surely, you are not saying that Adamo should be satisfied with Sweden?

You write yourself that Tänak isn't satisfied with the car. Note that here he had good road position on friday as well and Hyundai has never won in Mexico before.
Neither has Toyota won in Mexico.

So I guess Suninen for the win next rally :)

[COD]

same corner,watch the hyundais

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2414.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2426.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2445.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2404.jpg

When can Ford cure that tendency to oversteer?

Hyundai seem also much lower that Toyota?

[arx]

Year after year and Hyundai can't fix that massive understeer...

[doubled1978]

same corner,watch the hyundais

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2414.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2426.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2445.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_sweden_2020/hfr_dsc_2404.jpg

This actually shows exactly the balance of the cars, Ford too much oversteer, Hyundai understeer, Toyota just neutral bit of oversteer... no surprise the Toyota is quick on these kind of roads if that happens in every corner for 20km...

[dimviii]

Hyundai seem also much lower that Toyota?

imho seems lower due to understeer

[atsiotras79]

Just saw video from friends who are in the SS. Raining. Mud and water...

[dimviii]

Just saw video from friends who are in the SS. Raining. Mud and water...

give us a link mate

[atsiotras79]

They send it to me on FB... I don’t know how to put it in here... I can send it to you on FB...

[doubled1978]

imho seems lower due to understeer

Could also be that Toyota is already back on throttle because the car is under control.

[Tauri_J]

Theres a video on FB on conditions...its BAD

[dimviii]

They send it to me on FB... I don’t know how to put it in here... I can send it to you on FB...

dont have facebook

[KKS]

Year after year and Hyundai can't fix that massive understeer...
They had a handbrake... perfect solution :|

[atsiotras79]

It’s mud dim... the rally is far from over... with such conditions... I wonder how traction with these tyres will be...

[EstWRC]

imho seems lower due to understeer

i remember some years ago there was a kind of Q&A with Tänak, where fans could ask some questions and one guy asked if he "prefers" oversteer or understeer and Ott answered definitely understeer, that he copes with it better

[EstWRC]

some pics here of the stage https://twitter.com/mpl_ee/status/1228972863799033861?s=20

[Rallyper]

some pics here of the stage https://twitter.com/mpl_ee/status/1228972863799033861?s=20

More interesting is the stage in the woods.

Surface could look bad, but foundation could still likely be icy. (My hopes...)

[dimviii]

not looking good

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ4zElNWkAARde4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[KKS]

some pics here of the stage https://twitter.com/mpl_ee/status/1228972863799033861?s=20
Rally-cross track already yesterday looks bad, but forest roads yesterday looks OK. So making judgments on that track not quite right

[mknight]

Wet ice-rests like that are crazy slippery and don't give all that much grip with studs either as they start turning into slush.

But small changes in the structure/temperature make a big difference. So far it looks like first starts can have an advantage, but if it is already very soft when they come it can even clear in ruts later.

[dimviii]

deeper at forest
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ4tJSfW4AE_z6O?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ4ucCWXkAEOTL_?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

amazing vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWGT4Y4WeDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4zOFdD__9I

[dimviii]

i remember some years ago there was a kind of Q&A with Tänak, where fans could ask some questions and one guy asked if he "prefers" oversteer or understeer and Ott answered definitely understeer, that he copes with it better

yes but a light understeer behaviour is not the same with a heavy understeer behaviour.

[mknight]

Αdamo of course would not be satisfied with a 2nd place,but thats not the problem of Tanak or Neuville.
Both of them,is a known quality and what they can do, if the car is well setup for each rally.


As you agree with Adamo can't be satisfied with results/performance here.

My point is that it is well know that he has the urge to always "do something" immediately after a rally (Sunday-Monday) when things don't go well, even when next rally is not related. So I wonder what he will do this time. No reason to change drivers for Mexico for sure, so will he put up some additional testing in form of a rally entered by some of the cars?

[rallyfiend]

Looks like today will be a question as to who manages their studs in the first part, to be able to negotiate the ice in the last part....

[KKS]

start order could be crucial for RC2. If it will be as usual and top of RC2 will be first on a road it could be massive advantage in a class
E: they are https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/7-start-list-for-section-7-tc16d-sunday-16th-february-2020.pdf
Veiby, Mads, Lindholm, Huttunen - first on a road

[Rallyper]

Anyway. It´s going to be nasty...

[mknight]

start order could be crucial for RC2. If it will be as usual and top of RC2 will be first on a road it could be massive advantage in a class

Start order is up, the first 4 R5s go first (before WRC) Veiby very first, Solberg is the first one after WRCs.

[doubled1978]

start order could be crucial for RC2. If it will be as usual and top of RC2 will be first on a road it could be massive advantage in a class
E: they are https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/7-start-list-for-section-7-tc16d-sunday-16th-february-2020.pdf
Veiby, Mads, Lindholm, Huttunen - first on a road

Yes, normally when it is swamp conditions, the first cars have a big advantage before the road turns to mud.
I hope they send all R5 together or it will kill the result. Also, if it’s really bad even someone like Suninen or Breen could have a huge advantage over the likes of Tanak and Evans, I know it’s a big gap but with this weather, anything could happen

[dimviii]

video from ss
https://twitter.com/alekslesk/status/1228976486960566272

[mknight]

Well on the positive side there can be real surprises on the PS.

And rally is about racing in all conditions...

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/1228985243413209088


Karlip
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@Karlip1
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3m
4 minute gaps for the crews as they enter Likenäs 2 #WRC #WRCLive

[KKS]

video from ss
https://twitter.com/alekslesk/status/1228976486960566272
not sure that whole stage has such a conditions

[dimviii]

not sure that whole stage has such a conditions

in the woods is much better.Previous posts have photos and seems ok

[KKS]

��
@Karlip1
·
3m
4 minute gaps for the crews as they enter Likenäs 2 #WRC #WRCLive
Already in original startlist was 4m gap
https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/7-start-list-for-section-7-tc16d-sunday-16th-february-2020.pdf

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport
@HMSGOfficial
·
1m
#WRC Just the Power Stage left to run today at @RallySweden
but before that the cars are in Torsby for a quick service
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#HMSGOfficial #RallySweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ5BzKrXUAARbqO?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ5BxuFXsAAPfO_?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

Karlip
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@Karlip1

.@SebOgier
joking around a bit with @ElfynEvans
saying that Elfyn has the upper hand being at his home rally

.@SebOgier
has told @The_Rally_Guru
that he is used to doing a full loop on used tyres and knows how to save them. This gives an upper hand to the youngsters who get to push full stages with new tyres.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At the start
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ45ODcWkAAABHi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[AnttiL]

This is just the rallycross track on an open area. In the woods there's still some ice.

[Portimao]

Just cancell this bullcrap. It already a disaster.

[KKS]

Just cancell this bullcrap. It already a disaster.
it's looks better than both Torsby stages

[skarderud]

It's rally, best driver to handles the conditions win.

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[Portimao]

it's looks better than both Torsby stages

And it's still a disaster. Even Totd said it's it's the last time to see Rally Sweden without snow. Now it's like "ok, let it just end".

[Tauri_J]

Conditions in the forest look good

[EstWRC]

i wouldnt be surprised if Thierry ends up in 3rd after this stage

[ipe]

I expect a lot of surprises in the power stage. Let's see what happens.

[Tauri_J]

Geez Tommy your English has gotten worse over the years.

[Rallyper]

And it's still a disaster. Even Totd said it's it's the last time to see Rally Sweden without snow. Now it's like "ok, let it just end".

Disaster for snowrally, but no problems for drivers. Normal conditions to handle.

[cali]

Disaster for snowrally, but no problems for drivers. Normal conditions to handle.Don't lie to yourself, it's an absolute disaster of a winter rally.

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[Zeakiwi2]

Three days to complete a bit over one hour's competitive driving........

[Rallyper]

Don't lie to yourself, it's an absolute disaster of a winter rally.

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I just said that.

But drivers must handle whatever conditions are.

(I believe Rally sweden turns up on another place next year. At least they will have a plan B ready if snow doesn´t come. This year is an exception to the rules...)

[Allez Andruet]

Three days to complete a bit over one hour's competitive driving........

Still so much better than no rally at all.

[EstWRC]

Mads 4.6 faster in 1st split

[cali]

I just said that.

But drivers must handle whatever conditions are.

(I believe Rally sweden turns up on another place next year. At least they will have a plan B ready if snow doesn´t come. This year is an exception to the rules...)I sure hope so

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[Rallyper]

Where´s that live estonian site? Forgot...

[dimviii]

Where´s that live estonian site? Forgot...

https://sport.postimees.ee/wrc/splittimes

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Horrible road conditions usually suit Evans.