WRC Rally Sweden 2020

[dimviii]

Mares testing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQKQa5jVUAk06gq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[mknight]

Well it will be very interesting to see what happens sunday evening/monday with forecasts now just around zero...

either tons of rain or tons of snow...one or two degrees can make a big difference.

[Tauri_J]

Seems that organisers could be very lucky, monday after the rally shows +11 degrees.

[EstWRC]

yeah but the question is, how long they and FIA will continue to gamble with their luck?

every year basically the same story and them being very lucky with some kind of winter conditions just arriving for the rally time.

[mknight]

Seems that organisers could be very lucky, monday after the rally shows +11 degrees.

Where? The Scandinavian models show between -2 and +2 with snow.

Btw. average temperaturen this january has been 10 degrees! above normal.

Anyway there is a trend and to organizers a rally there needs to be some predict le conditions so if rally Sweden should stay a snow rally in the future it needs to react.

[AnttiL]

I keep looking at these forecasts every day

https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Innlandet/%C3%85snes/Finnskogen/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Liken%C3%A4s/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/long.html

Likenäs has some sub -10 temps forecasted for Thursday-Saturday and Finnskogen area may have some snow instead of the rain on Sunday. Torsby doesn't look good, but I guess they can just run the short stage in any conditions. It's also run after two long stages, so the drivers will have worn most of their studs by that stage.

[AndyRAC]

If Karlstad is the only place in Sweden that has the funding for the rally, then the WRC snow event has to go elsewhere. Somewhere were it's virtually guaranteed snow.

[Rallyper]

If Karlstad is the only place in Sweden that has the funding for the rally, then the WRC snow event has to go elsewhere. Somewhere were it's virtually guaranteed snow.

I see no problem (if they want to) finding sponsors at better suited places. However I do believe the problem is that organizing people live in the Karlstad area and might not want to move some 500-750 km... But it´s their living, so...

[Tauri_J]

Where? The Scandinavian models show between -2 and +2 with snow.

Btw. average temperaturen this january has been 10 degrees! above normal.

Anyway there is a trend and to organizers a rally there needs to be some predict le conditions so if rally Sweden should stay a snow rally in the future it needs to react.

Windy.com, but it has now updated it to colder weather

[EstWRC]

Latvala livery https://twitter.com/jarimattiwrc/status/1226136628026134528?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQQcWxYW4AAicQd?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/driving-without-worries-latvala-on-his-wrc-return/

[tommeke_B]

Loving the back end of Latvala's Yaris WRC :vader:

[WRC1]

Latvala livery https://twitter.com/jarimattiwrc/status/1226136628026134528?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQQcWxYW4AAicQd?format=jpg&name=medium

made by a 3 years old child??

[Sso]

Don't know if it has been answered before, but anyway? Has it been announced why Latvalas normal codriver isn't doing the Swedish Rally with him?

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[flat_right]

Do you guys know in which year(s) have we had the most snow in Rally Sweden? Just want to watch some great videos of cars between snowbanks on Youtube! :)

[linni]

2018 was lots of snow. Most of snow - probably during the times the camcorder was not invented yet.

[BleAivano]

Do you guys know in which year(s) have we had the most snow in Rally Sweden? Just want to watch some great videos of cars between snowbanks on Youtube! :)

2006 looked pretty decent. Part 1/3: https://youtu.be/GTHi0f9DwM0

[bluuford]

Do you guys know in which year(s) have we had the most snow in Rally Sweden? Just want to watch some great videos of cars between snowbanks on Youtube! :)

2003 and 2010 were also very nice:)

[Essaj]

Don't know if it has been answered before, but anyway? Has it been announced why Latvalas normal codriver isn't doing the Swedish Rally with him?

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Miikka is co-driving for Eerik Pietarinen who can offer a better schedule for 2020 than JM.

[PLuto]

Miikka is co-driving for Eerik Pietarinen who can offer a better schedule for 2020 than JM.

Yes, German championship...

[Micke_VOC]

Do you guys know in which year(s) have we had the most snow in Rally Sweden? Just want to watch some great videos of cars between snowbanks on Youtube! :)

2010 it was a lot of snow here. We had over 1 m of snow in my hometown 70 km south of Torsby to March-April.

I remember it well because we need to plow the RX-track here in Arvika in middle of April so we could start to invite to RX-test in start of may.
When we plowed we had 108 cm of snow on track.

[Essaj]

Yes, German championship...

Well 2 Finnish events, Rally Sweden and German championship is lot better than just one confirmed round of WRC? Most of the time you don't make any sense.

[AnttiL]

Don't know if it has been answered before, but anyway? Has it been announced why Latvalas normal codriver isn't doing the Swedish Rally with him?

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In rallying, the driver usually pays the salary of the co-driver. Latvala told Anttila that he cannot be guaranteed a year's salary and he's free to search for other drives. Pietarinen's previous co-driver Juhana Raitanen started driving himself so there was an empty slot for him. Meanwhile, Hänninen doesn't really get a professional co-driver salary from his drives with Latvala.

[Eli]

2003 and 2010 were also very nice:)

2011 wasn't too bad as well, if I remember correctly...

[DocMS]

Is storm Ciara having any effect on area at the moment?

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[SubaruNorway]

2011 wasn't too bad as well, if I remember correctly... Look at some yt onboards on Röjden, huge banks. Windy and light snow not far from Likenäs now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is storm Ciara having any effect on area at the moment?



https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/vader/superstormen-ciara-slar-hart-mot-sverige/

[PLuto]

Well 2 Finnish events, Rally Sweden and German championship is lot better than just one confirmed round of WRC? Most of the time you don't make any sense.

Only two events in Finland? In that case it is worse than I expected...

[bluuford]

Is storm Ciara having any effect on area at the moment?

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Storm is hitting further south and mainly coastal areas. Karlstad gets some heavy rain and quite strong winds, the further north you get, less impact it has. It means mostly moderate rain for cancelled stages and Torsby region, light to medium sleet/rain for Norwegian stages and Likenäs. Quite normal wind, mostly less than 10 m/s (currently 1-3 m/s, gusts 6-8 m/s). Total rain in stages region during last 13 hours has been mostly around 1 mm, part of it came down as snow in Norwegian stages. next 12 hours are the most critical, after that, just some isolated showers, higher temperatures for tomorrow day, but freezing from tomorrow sunset. So far, everything according to the plan, or even slightly more positive.

[BigWorm]

Is storm Ciara having any effect on area at the moment?

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Doubt it, it's worst at the western coast

[AnttiL]

Only two events in Finland? In that case it is worse than I expected...

I thought it would be full Finnish championship, Rally Sweden and Rally Finland. And apparently also the German tarmac championship?

Latvala could only promise two WRC starts.

[dimviii]

made by a 3 years old child??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQVayepX0AEUUXs?format=jpg&name=medium

[pantealex]

OT

and she isn´t the only one, there are more with same caliber...

[DocMS]

Pictures from some stages today taken from enthusiasts of Rally sweden facebook page https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200209/bb2d85df3c2312e717d738ac92a863c3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200209/d769d77ae81c5372f0808258fb773c63.jpg

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[mknight]

The big question is how much of the ice layer disappears from now until it starts freezing tomorrow evening.

[cali]

2011 wasn't too bad as well, if I remember correctly...Remember being 2011 in Sweden when these new 1.6L cars were introduced. Lots of snow everywhere, very nice conditions.

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[Eli]

Remember being 2011 in Sweden when these new 1.6L cars were introduced. Lots of snow everywhere, very nice conditions.

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That DS3 sounded magnificent (at least from the TV lol). Was an exciting year. not as if now it isn't, but something is missing...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That DS3 sounded magnificent (at least from the TV lol). Was an exciting year. not as if now it isn't, but something is missing...

Citroen.

Monte Carlo was good but it did feel like there was a hole in the WRC entry.

[pantealex]

Bulletin-1

https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/bulletin-1.pdf

Only 1 tyre type in use so no tactics. (but is Michelin or Pirelli better ? WRC2/3 drivers have a choice)

JWRC drivers can use 22 tyres.

[AnttiL]

Has there been previously different compounds available anyway?

[EstWRC]

Dunno what to expect this time from this rally,

i guess the win will be between Ogier and Neuville because they should have the best conditions. If we look at 2016 when the conditions were also very bad, then Ogier just ran away with the win starting from 1st position, he won first 4 stages and his lead was already up to 24 secs at that point against Mikkelsen, who was in 2nd position and also started second.

i think it will be very hard for Tänak and Latvala to make a very good result here.

Anyway we will see what the conditions will exactly be on those days, could well play also in Tänaks and Latvalas hands.

[AnttiL]

Theoretically, if there's any ice on the roads and not snow, it will be good to be first on the road. For the rest it will get more slushy and more stud-destroying gravel is pulled up. If there's some snow on top of the ice (unlikely with the current forecasts) the first car will have to sweep it. The shakedown could tell us something or not. I presume the shakedown will have less snow than the actual forest stages. Maybe the road is already muddy and rutty gravel when Tänak and Latvala get there?

[Rallyper]

The big question is how much of the ice layer disappears from now until it starts freezing tomorrow evening.

And second biggest question is how much ice is still left after recce with full studs tyres...?

[AnttiL]

And second biggest question is how much ice is still left after recce with full studs tyres...?

It's not "full studs", since the recce studs are smaller and there's less of them. Still, what happens during the recce is an issue for the road conditions.

[AnttiL]

Current forecasts are predicting some snowfall early on Saturday morning and some rainfall on Sunday morning.

[AnttiL]

Finnskogen has no snow or ice.

https://scontent.fhel1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84311538_2750950808326566_147982861960478720_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=NklAbgkWzE8AX8_T8wg&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel1-1.fna&oh=c5b9c4a4ddafc10fcc89ba7fad4b7c77&oe=5ED8CEFC

[Luis Pacheco]

I have a bad feeling seeing such photos ...

[Rallyper]

It's not "full studs", since the recce studs are smaller and there's less of them. Still, what happens during the recce is an issue for the road conditions.

Sorry, didn´t read your previous answer close enough...

However, we agree on that even recce will be an issue...

[sindroms]

I don't want to make a drama and I hope maybe organizers have something to hope for but...

I just received a small (1:20 min) today's onboard video from the site - SS3/6. Looks quite terrible. No snow, road is wet and soft with a few ice patches. Driver says - car sinks in to the road and in these conditions road will be gone after recce. Same applies to other Norwegian stage.

[RS]

I have a bad feeling seeing such photos ...

Looks like Wales on a summer’s day..

[AnttiL]

I don't want to make a drama and I hope maybe organizers have something to hope for but...

I just received a small (1:20 min) today's onboard video from the site - SS3/6. Looks quite terrible. No snow, road is wet and soft with a few ice patches. Driver says - car sinks in to the road and in these conditions road will be gone after recce. Same applies to other Norwegian stage.

Right now it's in plus degrees and the road is wet. But it should go to minus degrees in the evening and stay there. Not sure though if that's enough...

[DocMS]

We fly out Wednesday morning. Surely they will make call on this soon if they dont intend on running

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport preview
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2020/02/07/EAGER-TO-%E2%80%98SNOW%E2%80%99-WHAT-THEY-CAN-DO

[bluuford]

I don't want to make a drama and I hope maybe organizers have something to hope for but...

I just received a small (1:20 min) today's onboard video from the site - SS3/6. Looks quite terrible. No snow, road is wet and soft with a few ice patches. Driver says - car sinks in to the road and in these conditions road will be gone after recce. Same applies to other Norwegian stage.

Tell your friends to keep away from stages for today and tomorrow (maybe morning is OK), that was the reason to postpone recce until Wednesday.

[Sulland]

Could be touch and go, but the rally could be saved by temp under 0, thursday and friday.

https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Innlandet/%C3%85snes/Finnskogen/long.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

+- 0 degrees isnt really enough. It needs a proper freeze to make the surface solid or the studs will rip it to muddy slush.

[Luis Pacheco]

I did not also receive my tickets. I live in Portugal. I hope they arrive no later than next Tueseday.

It's finally in my hands.

[dimviii]

. (but is Michelin or Pirelli better ? .

pirelli imho

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Poor Deividas Jocius...

@JociusDeividas
All connection flights for today to Oslo cancelled (due to Storm Ciara). :(

[dimviii]

Mads
https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/1226892683693711361

[dimviii]

Kristian Sohlberg
@Krisse_Sohlberg
Should I stay home or go to @RallySweden
? Its not a nice decision to think but im still not convinced that they can run the rally, even with the new itinery. Its a big shame as @samipajari
would start his @FIAJuniorWRC
campain. #wrc #showmesnow

[Tauri_J]

I see now Sunday becoming very grim. +5 degrees with 25m/s wind gusts and rain.

[dimviii]

Roland Poom
@RolandPoom
Just finished the first test of this season. Everything worked fine. Every km i drive this car, i feel more and more confident. Still, there is a lot to learn, so Sweden will be a good learning event for us
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[Rallyper]

I see now Sunday becoming very grim. +5 degrees with 25m/s wind gusts and rain.

Like Rally GB then...

[DocMS]

If we get lucky enough to make it too Sunday im sure likenas stage will hold up for 2 runs.

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[Katvala]

Service parkhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200210/c1461e7838b0e87f6fde2bec3867720b.jpg

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[Rallyper]

Hey, fellow rallyfans.

Weather or not (!) don´t forget to make your Pickems for Rally Sweden!

[EstWRC]

man seeing the pics posted here today makes me really sad.

whats the weather prediction, for better? if not im afraid the drivers will say after recce: "forget it"

[dimviii]

if not im afraid the drivers will say after recce: "forget it"

thats what i wait to hear too,drivers interviews after recce

[Portimao]

This rally should be cancelled.

[Tarmop]

If it gets cold like like promised, it will be ok....that mud freezes quite quickly. Not ideal, but...like winter nowadays.

[er88]

Hard on the organisers and fans but if they want to be on the calendar in future, I'd tell them to either move the itinerary/base further north, or have a ready made backup plan/ itinerary so things can be switched with more ease to other stages (stages possibly in reserve where snow is more of a guarantee?).

[masa90]

Wow things went depressing in a weekend. Really gonna need a miracle now.

[Meekefan]

If it is going to cancellation, please do it before people travel to Sweden on order to avoid throw more money to the garbage!!!

[Meekefan]

It's finally in my hands.

I hope everyone of us could give the best usage to the tickets.

[mknight]

Recce is on Wednesday, stages are closed now before they freeze. (think they were close pretty much all day today)

Weather forecast is for freeze from now (already freezing right now), with only afternoon temps going above 0.

The big question as it looks right now is Sunday.

[Myrvold]

Hard on the organisers and fans but if they want to be on the calendar in future, I'd tell them to either move the itinerary/base further north, or have a ready made backup plan/ itinerary so things can be switched with more ease to other stages (stages possibly in reserve where snow is more of a guarantee?).

Fair enough, Torsby have issues as well this year, but it shouldn't be much more complicated (if you don't include the money-factor), than skipping Karlstad, and spending that 205km road section on going north/higher up, but you could still have service on the airfield in Torsby. We've seen it from testing that there are roads with snow in the area.

With that being said, I am on the fence if I should drop this or not. Been going for years and years, but not sure it's worth it this year.

[bluuford]

Recce is on Wednesday, stages are closed now before they freeze. (think they were close pretty much all day today)

Weather forecast is for freeze from now (already freezing right now), with only afternoon temps going above 0.

The big question as it looks right now is Sunday.

For all long stages, ground temperatures dropped below zero at around 15:30-16:00 today, gravel road does not need too much minus degrees to freeze. just some time and few degrees. I have lived in a small village for 18 years and basically you need one night with 1-2 degrees below zero and then you have only puddles that need a bit more time, otherwise it was OK to go with 5-6 tonnes tractor without any marks on surface. To make sure the road last, was the reason why stages are closed today and tomorrow.

For Likenäs they have built every year very thick layer of ice. With spikes and plus degrees they turn it to a slush from the top, but road should stay OK. It will be just very tricky end of rally for the drivers. And there is still some time to go, so, I would not take precipitation forecasts so granted yet;)

One of my work fields at the university is adaptation to the changing climate. One way is to run away, the other way is to find solutions for staying. I dont want to run away, I like to find solutions ;) This is what Rally Sweden is doing right now and the best we can do right now is to support their adaptation:)

[RS]

Hard on the organisers and fans but if they want to be on the calendar in future, I'd tell them to either move the itinerary/base further north, or have a ready made backup plan/ itinerary so things can be switched with more ease to other stages (stages possibly in reserve where snow is more of a guarantee?).

Where/when would WRC need to go to in order to stronger guarantee a winter rally? Even if it means a different country and holding a summer rally in Sweden instead maybe..

[PLuto]

This rally should be cancelled.

This rally should have been cancelled a week ago.

[SubaruNorway]

This rally should have been cancelled a week ago.

So said many people in 2016, look how Ogier uses the extra grip at 1:10
All stages i saw looked completely fine after 1 run and nothing should have been cancelled in the end apart from Lesjöfors.
https://youtu.be/E1LzC_DTYKQ

[DocMS]

So said many people in 2016, look how Ogier uses the extra grip at 1:10
All stages i saw looked completely fine after 1 run and nothing should have been cancelled in the end apart from Lesjöfors.
https://youtu.be/E1LzC_DTYKQSubaruNorway any recommendations for locations in Hof-Finnskog stage?

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[AnttiL]

Weekend forecasts looking worse now, even for Likenäs and Finnskogen. No more minus degrees after Friday, some rain on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

[linni]

Considering most of the stages are in the morning, should be ok.

[AnttiL]

Considering most of the stages are in the morning, should be ok.

I'm now worried about Likenäs, as it will possibly have rain and plus degrees for more than 24 hours before it's run. Probably the first run of the day is cancelled in that case.

[raybak]

Maybe a snow rally in Canada? We had a tarmac rally in Australia in November just before Summer and it snowed with stages cancelled and changed.

Ray

[Rallyper]

Maybe a snow rally in Canada? We had a tarmac rally in Australia in November just before Summer and it snowed with stages cancelled and changed.

Ray

Sweden could stay as host for winterrally. No problem. But have to look for another hostcity.

As said before, Umeå or Östersund have all the possibilities for making a top WRC round in the future.

All communications for travelling, airports, train. By car. And stages even better than Värmland. Not to talk about accomodations. Plenty of beds.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Any Swedish members on forum with subscription to read this article in local Varmlands paper ? https://www.vf.se/2020/02/10/ingen-sno-men-ingen-oro-for-installd-tavling/

[mknight]

Where/when would WRC need to go to in order to stronger guarantee a winter rally? Even if it means a different country and holding a summer rally in Sweden instead maybe..

Just 1 hour north of the Friday loop of stages you have perfect conditions right now, even with the warmest January ever recorded.

[Rallyper]

Any Swedish members on forum with subscription to read this article in local Varmlands paper ? https://www.vf.se/2020/02/10/ingen-sno-men-ingen-oro-for-installd-tavling/

"No worries for cancelling the event" says headline.

[AnttiL]

Just 1 hour north of the Friday loop of stages you have perfect conditions right now, even with the warmest January ever recorded.

This, it wouldn't make a lot of difference really. However, it would make the rally even more like Monte Carlo where Karlstad is the main financial supporter of the event but all the action happens hundreds of kilometres away from it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Horrible stages...
https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-horrible-swedish-stages-also-equal-opportunity/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[skarderud]

Lillehammer, the olympic city from 1994, "the best ever wintergames" has everything you need, enormous possibilities in 3 valleys, lots of mountains around everywhere.
The problem is of course, organisations, money and political will.
The same problems everywhere i suppose:)

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[Myrvold]

Lillehammer, the olympic city from 1994, "the best ever wintergames" has everything you need, enormous possibilities in 3 valleys, lots of mountains around everywhere.
The problem is of course, organisations, money and political will.
The same problems everywhere i suppose:)


All very evident with Rally Norway. Sadly the money decided :/

[EstWRC]

SS2...this isnt even funny anymore

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQfvUORXUAIS8is?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQfvU8lXYAIg3mt?format=jpg&name=small


SS3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgSdMhWkAAXiFQ?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgSeDGWkAAOcjV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgSk7UXsAYdWUV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096


https://twitter.com/gronholmmk2/status/1227251377468051456?s=20

[flat_right]

Looks like a proper gravel rally :D

I don't know even what to think. Surely the sport side will be damaged but in a way it will be an experience for everyone. So in the future they will certainly know which will be the right decision.

[Tarmop]

This is how climate is and we have to cope, manuf. have to cope, tyre suppliers have to cope and world best drivers have to cope.

[Tauri_J]

Easy win for Neuville

[Rallyper]

1997 was about the same I do think. Many stages were just gravel and water.

[AnttiL]

1997 was about the same I do think. Many stages were just gravel and water.

I watched a video of that recently, there was much more ice and snow back then. Well, some stages were down to gravel, but not all. People were spectacting on the ice of a lake on the route of this year's Hagfors stage. On this year's pictures there's no ice on that lake.

[EstWRC]

shakedown

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgp9PXX0AAB_hT?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgp9P6X0AAtawc?format=jpg&name=small


https://twitter.com/BritRallyMedia/status/1227277063985471489?s=20

[er88]

I think the organisers have made their bed and will have to face up to heavy repair bills for these stages, to try and run them anyway (for one day at least). Cant see how we won't see some cancelled stages though, and lots of moaning and groaning from teams, drivers, media, organisers and fans.

Does make you think binning the rally last week would've been the best all round decision? At least it would maybe resemble a more professional/ measured decision, instead of the chaos I worry we will see this weekend :(

[mknight]

If there already weren't 2 cancelled rallies within 6 months they'd call Sweden off. But there were, so pressure is on to run something.

From a spectator point of view it's much better to watch them run on frozen gravel than to not have a rally. Drivers should adapt. So the only ones I really pity is the organizers.

[SubaruNorway]

Too much money at stake to cancel. They will take the hit on repair bills but think rather than clinging to hope personally feel the brave decision would have been to bite the bullet and cancel. The USP of this rally is snow and without that it becomes another gravel rally with a bit of extra danger from loss of studs thrown in. Real shame as would have loved to see it have the weather the event deserves.

If they can rally on road tyres in USA and Canada they should be fine, some of the twisty sections in the shade on Hof still had thick ice and 20cm snowbanks so might last ok until TZ.
Any pics of tyres from Saturday in 2016?

10 times more dangerous driving on slicks in MC in my opinion.

[masa90]

Wow that is horrible. Hope nothing bad happens and we still have a proper rally Sweden next year.

[DocMS]

If they can rally on road tyres in USA and Canada they should be fine, some of the twisty sections in the shade on Hof still had thick ice and 20cm snowbanks so might last ok until TZ.
Any pics of tyres from Saturday in 2016?

10 times more dangerous driving on slicks in MC in my opinion.Any locations in Hof-Finnskog that can be accessed with decent ice layer etc for viewing?

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[Mirek]

If they can rally on road tyres in USA and Canada they should be fine, some of the twisty sections in the shade on Hof still had thick ice and 20cm snowbanks so might last ok until TZ.

Some funny note here. In 2010 or 2011 Prague Rallysprint was held on snow while studs are not allowed in CZ at all. The obvious question was which tyres to pick. There were many strategies like Michelin MC tyres without studs (that didn't work at all), stock Nokian tyres with additional hand cuts, old narrow Matador snow tyres without studs (these actually existed in rather soft compound) or 30 years old Barum pattern from gr.B times which is still produced in a form of cheap remould tyres. In the end it was very interesting to see how each team can cope with those conditions and how picking a remould tyre for 30 Euro could make you 1-2 s/km faster than the JWC on MC Michelins.

[Rallyper]

I watched a video of that recently, there was much more ice and snow back then. Well, some stages were down to gravel, but not all. People were spectacting on the ice of a lake on the route of this year's Hagfors stage. On this year's pictures there's no ice on that lake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPWDGEp8LlE From 24:00 Last day. Not even frozen gravel.

However much more icy roads Friday/Saturday

[Tauri_J]

10 times more dangerous driving on slicks in MC in my opinion.

Nope. They have ice/gravel crews and they are crawling on those icy sections.

[EstWRC]

Form guide by dirtfish https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally-sweden-form-guide/

[BleAivano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPWDGEp8LlE From 24:00 Last day. Not even frozen gravel.

However much more icy roads Friday/Saturday

Impreza, Lancer...... great rally cars (compared to today's go carts).

[SubaruNorway]

Nope. They have ice/gravel crews and they are crawling on those icy sections.

Which a lot of the time wasn't correct two hours later anyway, Neuville crawling in SS2....?
It's not the full icy sections i mean but the patchy fast stuff with big drops is sketchy! No big drops in Sweden...

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
Comparison pictures from the same corners between the situation now and how we'd like to see @RallySweden
. Looks wrong. #WRC
��
Tapio Lehtonen


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhMa5BX0AA7itK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQgtC_0UUAIgFso?format=jpg&name=900x900

[SubaruNorway]

Any locations in Hof-Finnskog that can be accessed with decent ice layer etc for viewing?

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I don't remember everything, try and get a hold of a recce video?

[MTA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPWDGEp8LlE From 24:00 Last day. Not even frozen gravel.

However much more icy roads Friday/SaturdayThe big difference is that 97 it had been cold very long time before the rally so the ground was frozen deep. Remember that there was parking on a frozen lake as well as transport by tractor and trolley over a lake (could it have been on the Rämen?)
So the ice must have been thick.

[AnttiL]

The big difference is that 97 it had been cold very long time before the rally so the ground was frozen deep. Remember that there was parking on a frozen lake as well as transport by tractor and trolley over a lake (could it have been on the Rämen?)
So the ice must have been thick.

https://youtu.be/uY_U5jKmRj0?t=684

In this onboard you can see people spectating on the ice. Here's the same place this year (what would have been Hagfors)

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83635288_10216750336171449_6981411353294536704_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=z8w_iGq7PboAX8yweG6&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=5d60cbcf1654261c61055f7c835a7089&oe=5EDC0723

[EstWRC]

Rallirinki / Teemu
@HartusvuoriWRC
Comparison pictures from the same corners between the situation now and how we'd like to see @RallySweden
. Looks wrong. #WRC
��
Tapio Lehtonen


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhMa5BX0AA7itK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096


Tänak and Latvala should have the cleanest gravel road :D

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhbnhCX0AEvPlN?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhfNrSWkAIzgQU?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhfNFkWoAEk4y1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhcP8BXUAMDQcA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Zeakiwi2]

Will the organisers be proactive and arrange a calendar date for mid-summer next year? Sweden to be the event before the summer break and then resume with Finland.

[RS]

Ooo, Oliver on Pirelli. That’s a surprise, works Skoda normally run on Michelin.

[AnttiL]

Tänak and Latvala should have the cleanest gravel road :D

If we talk about this seriously for a while

If there's still any icy sections on the road, there won't be any snow on those sections. Thus Neuville will get to attack that fresh ice with his studs. With every car, it will get more slushy and dirty. The gravel will pull through more with every car and the studs will break more. However, the gravely corners will be faster than if they were icy, if the drivers can see the conditions and trust in the grip. But if there's a clearly icy part and they have lost their studs, they will lose time. Another factor is that if the road will wear out quickly and get rutted, the later runners will suffer. The road could also be difficult for the first car on Saturday, but the starting order is reversed by then.

[doubled1978]

If we talk about this seriously for a while

If there's still any icy sections on the road, there won't be any snow on those sections. Thus Neuville will get to attack that fresh ice with his studs. With every car, it will get more slushy and dirty. The gravel will pull through more with every car and the studs will break more. However, the gravely corners will be faster than if they were icy, if the drivers can see the conditions and trust in the grip. But if there's a clearly icy part and they have lost their studs, they will lose time. Another factor is that if the road will wear out quickly and get rutted, the later runners will suffer. The road could also be difficult for the first car on Saturday, but the starting order is reversed by then.

I’ve been trying to think who will have the advantage in conditions for Friday, but there are so many variables that I think the answer is it could be anybody!

[AnttiL]

Ooo, Oliver on Pirelli. That’s a surprise, works Skoda normally run on Michelin.

Pirelli inserts the studs while the tyre is moulded so they will stick better. It could be crucial in these conditions. Veiby and Gryazin are also on Pirellis.

[pantealex]

Ooo, Oliver on Pirelli. That’s a surprise, works Skoda normally run on Michelin.

‘Skoda Motorsport Customer Racing’ ;)
says sticker in trucks

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1227502863510732800

Snowing near SS4!

[stefanvv]

https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/status/1227502863510732800

Snowing near SS4!

A lesson learned. Next time just pray to the weather Gods for snow.

[Franky]

Guys, I understand that your blood pressure is through the roof, but relax :)

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQj-2s7XYAEH--3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Likenas, twitter Ostberg.

[Sulland]

Ooo, Oliver on Pirelli. That’s a surprise, works Skoda normally run on Michelin.

The Solberg Clan loves Pirelli!

[AnttiL]

SS Finnskogen today. Not so bad conditions as I thought. Lovely stage.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkRfC5WsAAZ5q2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://twitter.com/MiikaWuorela/status/1227531654983569409

[EstWRC]

The pics I see posted today here and on Twitter look a lot more better than previous days. Let’s hope it stays so.

[AnttiL]

The pics I see posted today here and on Twitter look a lot more better than previous days. Let’s hope it stays so.

I would assume it stays like this over Friday. The weekend will be tougher, although I think the morning stages shouldn't be a problem, but it depends on how the roads are after the first run (and of course how the weather actually turns out)

[AnttiL]

SS1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkQsgdXUAA2C5C?format=jpg

[AnttiL]

SS2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkeoKvWAAEisdI?format=jpg&name=small

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A good freeze forecast on Thursday night should see a Friday stages run ok. Hopefully not too much rutting and they should stay good for Saturday with a slight freeze overnight.

[er88]

SS2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkeoKvWAAEisdI?format=jpg&name=smallOooh, Neuville suddenly the snow plough.

Will be interesting to see what it's like come friday morning though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC RALLY SWEDEN WEATHER REPORT!
SS3/6 🇳🇴 Finnskogen - 20,68km total
Overall good icy road conditions, but in the middle of the stage 7-9km pure gravel section 😬

[AnttiL]

Oooh, Neuville suddenly the snow plough.

If it was driven today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New GR Yaris will be 0-car in this weekends Rally Sweden.

https://twitter.com/motorsport4sale/status/1227567372879396864?s=20

[AnttiL]

https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/video-latest-sweden-conditions-updates/

Video with Colin Clark and Rich Millener discussing the conditions.

[TypeR]

New GR Yaris will be 0-car in this weekends Rally Sweden.

https://twitter.com/motorsport4sale/status/1227567372879396864?s=20

Would be cool to see it on proper speed and how it would do against R5's..

[Tarmop]

It`s a roadcar...
That means it would break down, even if it would get near to the pace in the first place...

[Henryfiles]

Shakedown tomorrow ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

C.Clark showing the road conditions:

https://youtu.be/okG5gMpf_Zw

Ostberg recce impressions:

https://twitter.com/MadsOstberg/status/1227607168637075457

[mknight]

SS1 is cancelled and will be ran as Shakedown 2 with only one run for each car. Normal shakedown is also only one run.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85061679_1042514936108680_2097418575735160832_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQk8nG5fYH-1XryVqofZ41V-eq8dUIuXVmJijY02irl86afN3JY84JKwvq6Q2-tFbZs&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=bd668e57c3fd214efaaa9352804ce7bb&oe=5EB50A4C

[satukata]

why they cancel ss1 and still go and drive as a shakedown?

[masa90]

To give people at least something to see. But I must say, what a bad situation

[dimviii]

It`s a roadcar...
That means it would break down, even if it would get near to the pace in the first place...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkyA94XUAIcS0S?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkyA9aWAAA8HZp?format=jpg&name=large
https://www.motorsport4sale.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/0FA48C1B-20F6-4470-BED1-7BBAA6FDE39D-635x700.jpeg

[Rallyper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkyA94XUAIcS0S?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQkyA9aWAAA8HZp?format=jpg&name=large
https://www.motorsport4sale.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/0FA48C1B-20F6-4470-BED1-7BBAA6FDE39D-635x700.jpeg

Niklas seems very happy!

However the car looks even greater... :) :)

[satukata]

To give people at least something to see. But I must say, what a bad situation

is it big difference to drive one car on track or two cars same time?

[Tarmop]

why they cancel ss1 and still go and drive as a shakedown?

Because it is already sold out as a TV stage and in tv schedules, but in terms of deciding results too far gone.

[denkimi]

Is the zero car not supposed to have a roll cage, bucket seats, 6 point seatbelts and all other safety equipment?

[dimviii]

Thierry Neuville
@thierryneuville
Back from the recces and I have to say that the conditions will be difficult this weekend. There’s more gravel than we expected. In any case, the rally is on and we will do our best as always.
����


click at link for small interview

https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/status/1227653019300438023

[Micke_VOC]

Pirelli inserts the studs while the tyre is moulded so they will stick better. It could be crucial in these conditions. Veiby and Gryazin are also on Pirellis.

Also Pontus Tidemand are on Pirellis =)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville not too happy...

https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/status/1227653019300438023?s=20

[EstWRC]

Tänak sayin to estonian media that they will go kind of unknown on friday, they dont know how the conditions will be at that day and how the road is gonna hold up and etc

[AnttiL]

I don't understand why they cancel SS1 but still drive on the track. Is it just considered two dangerous to have two cars at the same time?

[Tarmop]

I don't understand why they cancel SS1 but still drive on the track. Is it just considered two dangerous to have two cars at the same time?

TV stage.

[AnttiL]

TV stage.

Let me try to place my words better.

Why is SS1 cancelled if the track is drivable?

[AnttiL]

I think I realized the reason - the cars are now allowed to be transported from Karlstad to Torsby. They won't have to drive a long liaison with rally studs.

Also the tyre quota isn't used now.

EDIT: Also, Skalla is only allowed for P1 and P2 drivers. So this is the only shakedown for other drivers.

EDIT2: Two cars at the same time would result in broken lights and windscreens due to rocks flying

[EstWRC]

Drivers on recce with comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7RZtYR6iCA

Neuville sayin not driveable for sure, the others not being so dramatic

[mknight]

He says that about Finnskogen (SS3) which is where this was filmed.

The thing is that they recced this stage as 3rd when everything already started to melt today, while on both next nights and most of friday it should have freezing temps down to -6. That won't cover the gravel part though unless they water it.

[AnttiL]

TGR posted this picture on their facebook. They are clearly not happy.

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85149222_935416313527221_1193901720313266176_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=1RwwZshakX0AX_q6Fr6&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=0f825f1bbbc9ccd6171b466d42518d02&oe=5ED2E762

https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/photos/a.935415956860590/935416310193888/?type=3

[PLuto]

I am afraid if it will frozen with these lines on the road, it will also not help so much...

[Rallyper]

TGR posted this picture on their facebook. They are clearly not happy.

https://scontent-hel2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85149222_935416313527221_1193901720313266176_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=1RwwZshakX0AX_q6Fr6&_nc_ht=scontent-hel2-1.xx&oh=0f825f1bbbc9ccd6171b466d42518d02&oe=5ED2E762

https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC/photos/a.935415956860590/935416310193888/?type=3

Well it doesn´t look good. However they probably captured the most bad place on the stage. It´s easy to see sun has melted everything at the place. Yes. It will be muddy.

But. Do we remember Sardinia Power Stage? Looser than that I promise, it´s not.

[PLuto]

Well it doesn´t look good. However they probably captured the most bad place on the stage. It´s easy to see sun has melted everything at the place. Yes. It will be muddy.

But. Do we remember Sardinia Power Stage? Looser than that I promise, it´s not.

In Sardinia you are not going with studded tyres...

[er88]

The rest of the pics Toyota posted looked good/ok though

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ice-gravel-ice and losing studs is just something the driver's have to manage. Its not the first time in Sweden these situations have happened.

[Entertainer]

Ice-gravel-ice and losing studs is just something the driver's have to manage. Its not the first time in Sweden these situations have happened.

First sane comment I've read in the "Rally Sweden 2020"-forum in a long time. Rally is, to a huge part, about adapting to conditions.
Adapting to icy patches in Monte,
adapting to heavy rain in France,
adapting to to icy slushy Welsh roads in Rally GB,
adapting to HUGE rocks in the road vs sand in Turkey...

but no, we never hear as much whining/negativity/complaints from everyone as when Sweden is coming up... either too much snow or too little, too little ice etc.
This year is a freak of nature, an oddity and will most likely not be happening again in at least 20 more years if we look at weather statistics.

So please folks, 24 hours until rally start... lets focus on the driving, the powerful cars, Ogier's last season, "comeback" of Breen and Latvala, the speed and action in the forest, the junior WRC premiere, the fight of the R5s and the lovely thrill that is WRC!

[Co-FIN]

..

[AnttiL]

We’re is this info concerning Shakedown for others than P1&P2?


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Actually the bulletin says Priority 1 only. One article said ”WRC and WRC2”.

[EstWRC]

Interview with Tänak https://youtu.be/IgdYKpSENc4

Service park and some recce https://youtu.be/F7fPd0R3N-0

[PLuto]

First sane comment I've read in the "Rally Sweden 2020"-forum in a long time. Rally is, to a huge part, about adapting to conditions.
Adapting to icy patches in Monte,
adapting to heavy rain in France,
adapting to to icy slushy Welsh roads in Rally GB,
adapting to HUGE rocks in the road vs sand in Turkey...

but no, we never hear as much whining/negativity/complaints from everyone as when Sweden is coming up... either too much snow or too little, too little ice etc.
This year is a freak of nature, an oddity and will most likely not be happening again in at least 20 more years if we look at weather statistics.

So please folks, 24 hours until rally start... lets focus on the driving, the powerful cars, Ogier's last season, "comeback" of Breen and Latvala, the speed and action in the forest, the junior WRC premiere, the fight of the R5s and the lovely thrill that is WRC!

Yes, but crews should have enough sources to adapt. As there are allowed ONLY studded tyres in Sweden, it is so dangerous to drive on them on normal gravel, especially if it will not be frozen. On Monte you have proper tyres (or at least you can choose what suits you better), here you have no option...

[Co-FIN]

..

[mknight]

Facebook Enthusiasts of Rally Sweden says they have two trucks watering Likenas now. Would be really interesting to know if something like that is going on at Finnskogen.

[steve.mandzij]

I've never been so enthralled by the leadup to a rally. Whatever happens this'll be a very special event and likely the only time something like this will happen. Bring it on! :D

[PLuto]

I think we can try to bet how many stages will be cancelled. Current situation is - 8 stages week before race, 1 stage two days before race...

[EstWRC]

Adamo with dirtfish https://youtu.be/pl9B60Z6P7E

[AnttiL]

It means that Priority 1 has to do ONLY 1 run since normally 3 runs is mandatory.

Nothing about cancelling rest..


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Yeah, maybe the article I read had interpreted this wrong.

[Sulland]

Weather forcast for Hagford and Finnskogen
https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Hagfors/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Innlandet/%C3%85snes/Finnskogen/long.html

A bit colder on the norwegian side of the border, for the most northern stages.
Lets hope the nightfrost will remain, that will help a lot!

[mknight]

This is Rovanpera's onboard from SS3 recce:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/1227849165138538496

[Rallyper]

Yes, but crews should have enough sources to adapt. As there are allowed ONLY studded tyres in Sweden, it is so dangerous to drive on them on normal gravel, especially if it will not be frozen. On Monte you have proper tyres (or at least you can choose what suits you better), here you have no option...

Morning guys.

No. It´s not more dangerous.

How do you mean it´s dangerous?

[EstWRC]

this is just pathetic to watch

[EstWRC]

Suninen was off

[Rallyper]

this is just pathetic to watch

This is also rallying my friend.

[the sniper]

Suninen's off could have been ugly... Lucky.

[Rallyper]

Suninen was off

Could have been a disaster for him...

[EstWRC]

Ott or Martin saying after the finish: "Tyres already finished"

[Rallyper]

Remember Audi Quattros ate tyres. Blomqvist had no studs in front after half stages and full icy conditions... Back in the 80´s...

So just adapt. (Or Adapta, like Mads should say...) :) :)

[EstWRC]

"For sure, we will have lots of moments" E.Lappi

[ELPE]

this is just pathetic to watch

I am so tired of all these complaints about the weather, instead give compliments to all organizers who work night and day to provide as good conditions as possible. A few years ago it was nice winter roads, then Tanak bitterly complained that there was snow on the road, what to say ??

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQpGn9tWAAADtgO?format=png&name=small

[Rallyper]

Ogier and Rovanpera doing one more run through SD stage. Was it even allowed?

[EstWRC]

rovanpera and ogier now also on their second run, weird, they changed the decision then?

[dupanton]

Ogier and Rovanpera doing one more run through SD stage. Was it even allowed?

As I understood, it was a minimum of 1 pass, not maximum.

[mknight]

1 run is a minimum, but there is no restriction on the number of runs

[flykas]

Well I'd say it is interesting to watch with such conditions. Something extraordinary.

[EstWRC]

oh okay, i underrstood it the other way

[the sniper]

I guess the one run restriction was only meant to apply to 'Shakedown 2' tonight? I too was under the impression it applied to both though.

[mknight]

I guess the one run restriction was only meant to apply to 'Shakedown 2' tonight? I too was under the impression it applied to both though.

Yes it's only for SD2, guess partly because of the schedule and partly due to the road/track which will be soft unlike this morning SD which is frozen.

[Päss1928]

oh okay, i underrstood it the other way

Didn't you read your own post #651?

1926

[ipe]

This weekend will be interesting. All the drivers looked a bit confused at the shakedown. Battle of survival for sure.

[AnttiL]

Emil Lindholm said they won't drive the Skalla shakedown because the conditions are so bad. So I guess it's not mandatory for all cars to go there at all, whereas it was mentioned that everyone must drive once through Karlstad.

[AnttiL]

1 run is a minimum, but there is no restriction on the number of runs

But only one set of tyres to use today.

[mknight]

But only one set of tyres to use today.

If you want to use them and see how it works with less studs it's much better to drive SD1 as it is at least a bit similar to the conditions on the stages. The SD2 track run in the evening will have nothing in common with the stages, both in character and surface (since it's run in the evening in the open in a much warmer area).

[AnttiL]

Sami Pajari (JWRC) also tweeted that they only drive Karlstad tonight.

[drive]

Last year I've driven with studed tyres on a frozen gravel with a wee bit of ice (less than 10%) - the grip is amazing, very close to a grip on normal ice. Problem is studs overheating, I've been driving on a short track, about 4 km, so I didnt loose studs, giving time for tyre to cool down after each run. There were a lot of studs 'moving' in a rubber blocks, and I imagine if you drive over 10km without cooling the tyre studs will be lost, but the feeling is amazing - grip is much better than on gravel tyre (we use the same track all year round, and time was better on a winter tyre on frozen gravel in comparison with gravel tyre in summer/autumn runs).

But you need a lof of confidence when trees are around like in Sweden, our track is safe in that comparison :) very strange feeling driving that fast on a gravel (the good one feeling, I must admit :) )

[drive]

and Breen goes fastest so far - sort of understand why :)

[AnttiL]

and Breen goes fastest so far - sort of understand why :)

Evans and Ogier even faster. I don't understand if they have only one set of tyres, how they can go faster anymore

[rallyfiend]

But only one set of tyres to use today.

My understanding is that they can use as many tyres as they want to today.

The tyres for Shakedown are not included in the restricted number of tyres for the event. They are outside the 'package'.

[drive]

they dont loose much studs (over 7km), but find 'confidence' where to push a bit more. From seeing state of SD from the video, only in some places gravel is a bit 'ripped off', in those places is less grip, in general - there is a loads of grip. Just need not to overpush :)

[EstWRC]

they dont loose much studs (over 7km), but find 'confidence' where to push a bit more. From seeing state of SD from the video, only in some places gravel is a bit 'ripped off', in those places is less grip, in general - there is a loads of grip. Just need not to overpush :)

https://www.upload.ee/image/11123015/Screenshot_20200213-115136_Instagram.jpg

[AnttiL]

My understanding is that they can use as many tyres as they want to today.

The tyres for Shakedown are not included in the restricted number of tyres for the event. They are outside the 'package'.


This was my source:

https://twitter.com/SaariJarno/status/1227840099901231104

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä now fastest...clearly the drivers have now fresh tyres on with the times getting better.

[masa90]

Seeing quick clips on ig it looks like Rally Finland with some weird filter.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Remember Audi Quattros ate tyres. Blomqvist had no studs in front after half stages and full icy conditions... Back in the 80´s...

So just adapt. (Or Adapta, like Mads should say...) :) :)

Correct.

I watched the preview programme and there were loads of clips of previous events where the roads were just black (ie gravel had come through).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SD4 - Kalle now goes 3.5s faster !

[AnttiL]

Seeing quick clips on ig it looks like Rally Finland with some weird filter.

One difference is that Finland has more sharp crests and jumps, although the shakedown stage has some of that stuff.

[flykas]

So how is the situation with points now? If they cancel more stages, the drivers will not be able to receive regular amount of points?

[drive]

https://www.upload.ee/image/11123015/Screenshot_20200213-115136_Instagram.jpg

Suninnens all spykes are still there, maybe after spin they didnt push anymore, but I suspect something else made that tyre above 'bold' - still strugling to understand what thou... lets wait for more pictures of tyres after this stage
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQpFBy3XkAEh6vD?format=jpg

[AnttiL]

I believe Kalle did three passes with the same tyre, each one slower. Then the fourth one with fresh tyres. Suninen clearly took it easy after the spin.

[TypeR]

Don't forget that this tyre is after 3 runs of SD.. Suninen cruised thru after crash..

[drive]

I believe Kalle did three passes with the same tyre, each one slower. Then the fourth one with fresh tyres. Suninen clearly took it easy after the spin.

OK, that explains then. Only my presumption that 7km should be OK was wrong, they started loosing some studs earlier than 7 km :) wrc driving puts more pressure on studs then my Subaru :D
But with fresh 'boots' you can see that speed is there, even if road gets a bit ripped of in places

[flat_right]

What did Martin Järveoja mean by that? Two runs of shakedown. Have I missed something?

https://www.upload.ee/image/11123221/shakedown.png

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[masa90]

What did Martin Järveoja mean by that? Two runs of shakedown. Have I missed something?

https://www.upload.ee/image/11123221/shakedown.png

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Ss1 was turned into second shakedown.

[flat_right]

Ss1 was turned into second shakedown.

Okay, thanks for the update.

[AnttiL]

Back in the 80s they had 40+ stages to think about.

Fresh tyres after every stage.

[EstWRC]

shakedown re-live for those who didnt see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGElUkUJQY

[PLuto]

Back in the 80s they had 40+ stages to think about. Will be interesting to see how the current crop of drivers play the long game (sic) when the distance is so short. Hate to use a cricket analogy but its like the difference between those good at the one day format and those good in the five day tests. Who's the most intelligent driver?

Back in the 80s they had free tyre choice.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Back in the 80s they had 40+ stages to think about. Will be interesting to see how the current crop of drivers play the long game (sic) when the distance is so short. Hate to use a cricket analogy but its like the difference between those good at the one day format and those good in the five day tests. Who's the most intelligent driver?

Ogier is the tyre-saving master and has huge experience.

But this is more like a "rally-sprint" so it will really hard for any of them to play the long game.

[doubled1978]

OK, that explains then. Only my presumption that 7km should be OK was wrong, they started loosing some studs earlier than 7 km :) wrc driving puts more pressure on studs then my Subaru :D
But with fresh 'boots' you can see that speed is there, even if road gets a bit ripped of in places

3 runs is approx 21.5km, the length of the longest stages....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jari-Matti Latvala @JariMattiWRC
Shakedown is completed for us and the feeling is good with the #YarisWRC! The most important will be to focus on the comportement of the car with the different conditions we will have and adapt our driving accordingly.

Well said JM !

[EstWRC]

Suninen mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz-T5Ky1SM&feature=emb_logo

[faateris]

I don't understand, what Suninen is doing in WRC...... or....is it Ford that bad?

[mknight]

Well it's pretty impossible to predict results atm.

- Road position: First runners might suffer from cleaning on the gravel parts, but loose less studs so can push more overall, late runners might suffer on the parts that get softer
- Tire conservation: Obviously the drivers have to be clever about keeping the stages for whole loop or even just from one part of stage with gravel to the icy part
- How much risky each is willing to take: Ogier and Neuville probably a bit less than others, but then again they don't win rallies by playing it safe
- Cars: Only Hyundai has tested in something similar, then again Hyundai is usually the car that is most tricky to set up, further Likenas which will be a big portion of the rally is stage where Hyundai never did well

[RS]

Could be some interesting times from R5 crews on Pirellis during the rally if they manage to keep their studs better.

[Sulland]

What kind of tyres are available to the drivers for sweden?
Only studded, or can they choose gravel where that is the best option?

[T16]

Suninen mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz-T5Ky1SM&feature=emb_logo

bit of a strange one.

[bwallace]

I think Winters rally's use only studded tyres gravel tyres woun't be able to get minimum work temerature.

[Sso]

Seems like Jocius is missing from startlist for tomorrow. Has he withdrawn officially and I just missed the info?

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[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87J5D-b4SYI

[bwallace]

Yes he will skip rally sweden couse of price is the same but km is much lower couse of condition to, and he miss the test couse siara storm and the flight was canceled.

[PLuto]

What kind of tyres are available to the drivers for sweden?
Only studded, or can they choose gravel where that is the best option?

Only studded tyres. No other option.

[PLuto]

Seems like Jocius is missing from startlist for tomorrow. Has he withdrawn officially and I just missed the info?

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He has withdrawn, same like other eight crews.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb8dPIJU4Ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtrhaH6-0c4

[AnttiL]

in the end Huttunen was the fastest R5 on the shakedown.

[AnttiL]

I have to say that I'm excited about this rally. The varying conditions, tyre preserving, the shortness, everything. Difficult to predict. It will be short but intense! Hopefully I won't have to miss a minute of All Live. Of course I hope the roads will withstand and the weather won't turn worse, and stages are not cancelled. But if the conditions would be like today (and some ice in the forest), it would be fine.

[Tarmop]

Only studded tyres. No other option.

There's nothing better to choose also.