Rally Sweden 14-17 FEB 2019

[bluuford]

Do not worry about the weather, region has 50+ cm of snow right now and more is coming, some melting during the day (espescially when it is sun-induced) and freezing overnight is doing only good. Recent over -20 degrees on the ground has accumulated a lot of cold in the ground, so, melting on the top ends with freezing below. That rain may clean some asphalt roads but non-salted local roads, narrow, with high snow-walls on the sides... only thing is that some of those snowpiles will be a bit icy and a bit more than usual number of bumpers are needed ;) Ice surface can be a bit uneven also.

Well, and Karlstad, during most of the recent events, there was only ice they created with some watering, not much difference then :P

And about the predictability, it is between 5-25% for next week, so not very high :P But weather tends to repeat itself, this winter in this region has been snowy, and often on minus side with short warmer periods, keep it in your mind when looking how the forecasts are changing;)

[EstWRC]

Finally we got you posting! Hehe

Thanks for info!

This should calm everyone down here.

[Luijbregts]

Exactly. I have been to 15+ Sweden rounds. This year it looks very good actually. with lots of rain next monday followed by lots of new snow and minus temps again making a good ice basis again on the road. And with the current snow debt already pretty solid I expect it to be perfect conditions for he rally. It takes a long time for that snow to disappear.

[dimviii]

Lasse Paanala
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@LPaanala

According to his own words, one full day test and few runs in difficult conditions on second day is enough to be 5. in @RallySweden. And he thinks that @SebastienLoeb will be 6. ��
������ @GronholmM!
Happy birthday as well!!
#WRC

https://twitter.com/LPaanala/status/1092676597008748544

[dimviii]

Erik Veiby
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@VeibyErik

This new rules are not fair, in Finland competitors in #wrc2 are testing unlimited before @RallySweden on perfect winterconditions. In Norway or Sweden its banned. @MadsOstberg @OCVeiby @Yves_Matton

[dimviii]

Opens&Tightens
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@OpensTightens

#WRC @RallySweden #RC2 PET feat. @PrintsportFI's @HuttunenRacing & @lindholm_emil
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyocF72X4AA0rpF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyocIUYWoAA_roa.jpg
https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/1092717550683721728

[AnttiL]

Erik Veiby
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@VeibyErik

This new rules are not fair, in Finland competitors in #wrc2 are testing unlimited before @RallySweden on perfect winterconditions. In Norway or Sweden its banned. @MadsOstberg @OCVeiby @Yves_Matton

To have some context for this, it's only for WRC2(Pro) competitors, who are not allowed to test in the country of the next rally three weeks preceding the event. So Swedish and Norwegian drivers must now go to Finland for their Rally Sweden tests.

[SubaruNorway]

To have some context for this, it's only for WRC2(Pro) competitors, who are not allowed to test in the country of the next rally three weeks preceding the event. So Swedish and Norwegian drivers must now go to Finland for their Rally Sweden tests.
It says P2 and P3 drivers in the rules so that means even JWRC. M-Sport had to do their JWRC test in Norway a couple weeks back

[DocMS]

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[SubaruNorway]

Rally Sweden changing it up again next year, making a new start to Vargåsen are one of the things mentioned

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varmland/forandringar-i-rally-sweden-nasta-ar?fbclid=IwAR3ONaVvRZRU1qsbrAe5XtXJaDL-sG_QEBK0s7IWVtQQBrdKjNHopPviS5k

[Lead]

Rally Sweden changing it up again next year, making a new start to Vargåsen are one of the things mentioned

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varmland/forandringar-i-rally-sweden-nasta-ar?fbclid=IwAR3ONaVvRZRU1qsbrAe5XtXJaDL-sG_QEBK0s7IWVtQQBrdKjNHopPviS5k

New stages?

[Myrvold]

New stages?

Yup. Seems like it. FIA wants certain stuff. "We will swap stages that doesn't have an arena, or anything of big value to us". "We need to find new forest stages to use, mainly on the Friday but also Saturday and Sunday"
Too bad really, as the Norwegian stages have been among the best in Sweden, both technically and condition-wise. But there are traditional rally stages, and not "arena stages".

Ugh :(

[AnttiL]

Torsby, Hagfors and Likenäs have an ”arena”

[tommeke_B]

The part before the finish of Svullrya is packed with people, also has big parking possibilities etc, could be considered an arena. Next to that they could bring back Kirkenaer, which was a real arena-stage and actually not boring at all. :)

[dodge33cymru]

WRC Promoter is really about to fall into all the same traps from the early 2000s aren't they...?

[steve.mandzij]

WRC Promoter is really about to fall into all the same traps from the early 2000s aren't they...?What was it? Rally ending super-specials?

[cali]

Yup. Seems like it. FIA wants certain stuff. "We will swap stages that doesn't have an arena, or anything of big value to us". "We need to find new forest stages to use, mainly on the Friday but also Saturday and Sunday"
Too bad really, as the Norwegian stages have been among the best in Sweden, both technically and condition-wise. But there are traditional rally stages, and not "arena stages".

Ugh :(Arena stages... wow have they gone mad?

[tc10a]

Arena stages... wow have they gone mad?

Calm down. In rally sweden just the bigger spectator places like Colins Crest Arena, Torsby Arena or the finish of Hagfors stage at the old ski slope etc. are called Arena.

For sure they want to keep this places. No one is talking about full arena stages - dont make anything up from nothing.

After some years with nearly identical itinerary, some change for 2020 is very positive.

[dodge33cymru]

What was it? Rally ending super-specials?

Giving up classic events in pursuit of new money, auctioning events around the world and bloating the calendar instead of focusing on the things that actually make the sport iconic. Thinking they were bigger than Monte Carlo being the epitome of it. But wrong thread, I'm looking forward to Sweden this year and hopefully for many more.

But yes, rally ending super specials were awful too.

[Myrvold]

Arena stages... wow have they gone mad?

Like tc10a says, it's not a whole stage, in an arena. It's what they call a stage with an arena.
Here you can see the stages with and arena https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/
So they would have to swap all Norwegian stages on Friday (so keep Torsby, that's it), swap Rämmen on Saturday and Likenäs on Sunday.

Though I do agree with tommeke the end of Svullrya can be considered an arena (and the spot I've been at for the last years are getting fuller and fuller!)

[cali]

Calm down. In rally sweden just the bigger spectator places like Colins Crest Arena, Torsby Arena or the finish of Hagfors stage at the old ski slope etc. are called Arena.

For sure they want to keep this places. No one is talking about full arena stages - dont make anything up from nothing.

After some years with nearly identical itinerary, some change for 2020 is very positive.Been in those places and never going back there. Absolutely horrific places to spectate a rally. It's more for people who goes there to have a drink and enjoy the athmosphere. And by enjoying the atmosphere I mean have a lot of drinks. But it is not for spectating a rally. More like an open air festival.

[cali]

Like tc10a says, it's not a whole stage, in an arena. It's what they call a stage with an arena.
Here you can see the stages with and arena https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/
So they would have to swap all Norwegian stages on Friday (so keep Torsby, that's it), swap Rämmen on Saturday and Likenäs on Sunday.

Though I do agree with tommeke the end of Svullrya can be considered an arena (and the spot I've been at for the last years are getting fuller and fuller!)Myrvold, I have been many times in Rally Sweden and visited those arena stages. Maybe it is just me and my friends but we're never going back to those "Arena places". Just horrible.

[ruesluporp]

Did you receive the rally magazine? It was to be sent on the fifth week?!?

[AnttiL]

Like tc10a says, it's not a whole stage, in an arena. It's what they call a stage with an arena.
Here you can see the stages with and arena https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/
So they would have to swap all Norwegian stages on Friday (so keep Torsby, that's it), swap Rämmen on Saturday and Likenäs on Sunday.

Though I do agree with tommeke the end of Svullrya can be considered an arena (and the spot I've been at for the last years are getting fuller and fuller!)

Likenäs has also the rallycross part in the beginning, that counts as an arena, right?

In Finland we also have these large official spectator areas which an be considered as arenas, the most famous of them the Kakaristo junction. For sure it's nice for the casual fan or a tourist, but for the hardcore fans it's better to pick a quieter place in the forest. Like cali said, it's more of a festival, lots of drunk people who don't even care so much for the competition...

[AnttiL]

The long term forecasts are still to be changed, but let's speculate. Right now it looks like there won't be snowfall during the whole rally week, especially not during Friday. If we assume we get some plus degrees and rain on the weekend, then some -8°C days before the rally and no fresh snow, that would mean a good ice base for the roads. This would favour the first car on the road, right? The studs would have a direct contact to the ice, whereas all the next cars would have to deal with various amounts of loose snow/slush on top of the ice?

[linni]

I remember very clearly 2017 Rally Sweden, when yrno forecast promised some + degrees throughout the whole rally, but in fact it hit the very first night -17 C and stayed well below the zero during the event.

[AnttiL]

2017 was still a year with quite little snow and small snowbanks, but a good ice layer on the roads.

[Rallyper]

I do hope there will be new fresh stages, maybe run ten-twenty years ago.

But really no more show is needed.

[tpt010]

Did you receive the rally magazine? It was to be sent on the fifth week?!?

I have not received mine. I sent query about that today, but no reply yet.

[SubaruNorway]

If you are waiting for the spectator maps with parking areas you can find them here also
https://rallysweden.com/en/the-race/

[pantealex]

https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/bulletin-no-2.pdf
Bulletin 2

All P1 and P2P will be required to complete their first passage of Shakedown in order of classification in the Championship.
(WRC + WRC2PRO drivers)

[Myrvold]

Myrvold, I have been many times in Rally Sweden and visited those arena stages. Maybe it is just me and my friends but we're never going back to those "Arena places". Just horrible.

Agreed, However, while I'm usually several KM's from the end of the stage, I've seen more and more people around "my" spot as the of the stage gets more and more "arena"-like.


Likenäs has also the rallycross part in the beginning, that counts as an arena, right?

In Finland we also have these large official spectator areas which an be considered as arenas, the most famous of them the Kakaristo junction. For sure it's nice for the casual fan or a tourist, but for the hardcore fans it's better to pick a quieter place in the forest. Like cali said, it's more of a festival, lots of drunk people who don't even care so much for the competition...

Seemingly not, at least it hasn't before, and isn't this year.


The long term forecasts are still to be changed, but let's speculate. Right now it looks like there won't be snowfall during the whole rally week, especially not during Friday. If we assume we get some plus degrees and rain on the weekend, then some -8°C days before the rally and no fresh snow, that would mean a good ice base for the roads. This would favour the first car on the road, right? The studs would have a direct contact to the ice, whereas all the next cars would have to deal with various amounts of loose snow/slush on top of the ice?

I'll admit, I don't hope for -8 during Thursday and Friday night... I plan to sleep outside in a hammock, so I would prefer the temperatures to be closer to 0 :D

[linni]

I have not received mine. I sent query about that today, but no reply yet.

Received week ago. Estonia.

[ruesluporp]

Received week ago. Estonia.

Not in Belgium!

They told me:

I’m really, really sorry for this but we seems to have messed this up a little bit.

I have two solutions to offer by now:

Either we send the package to where you are staying in Sweden

or I’ll add you to the list which allow you to pick them up at any of the Rally-sites from our staff.

What would you prefer?

[AnttiL]

https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/long.html

Now the forecasts are again giving more plus degrees, for all of Thursday and for the warmest points of Friday and Saturday.

Disclaimer: I'm not afraid they will cancel the rally. It will just affect the conditions. If it's like this then we'll see more gravel on the second runs.

[tomhlord]

We didn't receive the rally guide either, but called two days ago and apparently it will arrive now on Monday due to an error. Very apologetic, let's see if it arrives.

[tommeke_B]

Does anyone know if the lake near Colin's Crest will be open for cars this year?

[Tarmop]

Well, beacuse of the thick snowlayer, cold can`t reach the ice/water and it`s quite thin this season. i`d guess no.

[Myrvold]

https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/long.html

Now the forecasts are again giving more plus degrees, for all of Thursday and for the warmest points of Friday and Saturday.

Disclaimer: I'm not afraid they will cancel the rally. It will just affect the conditions. If it's like this then we'll see more gravel on the second runs.

Perfect weather for sleeping in a hammock though!

[EstWRC]

Previews

Citroen https://media.citroenracing.com/en/c3-wrcs-head-winter-wonderland?idtok=6824dbbb7069
Toyota https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/report/2019/02/preview.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrUAfnwtazE
Hyundai https://motorsport.hyundai.com/snow-business-rally-sweden/
M-sport - TBA

[Tauri_J]

https://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/long.html

Now the forecasts are again giving more plus degrees, for all of Thursday and for the warmest points of Friday and Saturday.

Disclaimer: I'm not afraid they will cancel the rally. It will just affect the conditions. If it's like this then we'll see more gravel on the second runs.

wow...+8 for thursday

[Micke_VOC]

wow...+8 for thursday

Minus 1 on Thursday in Svullrya so i hope that its a better sign for the stages /:

[Tarmop]

About to change for sure.

[DocMS]

Rammen stages this morning https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/164ffd7c8f1cf8ead2138d7f50ea0638.jpg

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[Tauri_J]

yup, ice layer is very thin this year. Thursday's gonna be brutal, warmest day of the week. But monday-tuesday looks to be chilly. Maybe watering the roads is an option like in 2016?

[er88]

Oh dear, doesn't look good in those pics at all

[Allez Andruet]

Wednesday and Thursday will be brutal, especially if there's nothing (i.e. ice) covering the road surface at that point. The minus degrees on Thursday evening and the following night could save a lot though. Fingers crossed.

[Rallyper]

Minusdegrees during all nights though. Will be icy gravel. Let´s see how much snow on snowbanks that will last throughout the weekend...

[EstWRC]

Previews

Citroen https://media.citroenracing.com/en/c3-wrcs-head-winter-wonderland?idtok=6824dbbb7069
Toyota https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/report/2019/02/preview.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrUAfnwtazE
Hyundai https://motorsport.hyundai.com/snow-business-rally-sweden/
M-sport - TBA

M-sport https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/02/09/M-SPORT-FORD-READY-FOR-A-WINTER-CLASSIC

[masa90]

Wow that Rammen stage looks pretty horrible already. How does it compare to 2016? When many stages were cancelled?

I just hope that they can run the rally, no matter if it is bit slushy. Just a shame since it looked so nice few weeks ago :(

[ruesluporp]

Wow that Rammen stage looks pretty horrible already. How does it compare to 2016? When many stages were cancelled?
(

It looks like there was a little bit more snow in 2016! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL1i1XJzNUU)

[SubaruNorway]

It looks like there was a little bit more snow in 2016! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL1i1XJzNUU)

It's quite a lot more in the terrain this year, reason Lesjöfors was cancelled in 2016 was that the 10-15cm deep ruts in the gravel froze before they had time to scrape it, I'm sure there would have been no problem to run all stages twice in the end.
I checked the weather in 2016 and it was 10-15 days of around +5 then so i think it should be fine this year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Linuscooler
Picture from SS10/13 Hagfors yesterday...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy5Rwq_XcAEK6QY.jpg:large

[bluuford]

Rammen stages this morning https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190209/164ffd7c8f1cf8ead2138d7f50ea0638.jpg

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I am not sure this is correct image... I have followed around 10 stations in the region all night, it was basically snowing everywhere overnight except Karsltad, some light rain near noon for some stages... Conditions in Sunday and Friday stages should look very good right now, a bit less good on Saturday stages, but this image does not look right.. And the image was posted.. before it was actually taken?

[DocMS]

I am not sure this is correct image... I have followed around 10 stations in the region all night, it was basically snowing everywhere overnight except Karsltad, some light rain near noon for some stages... Conditions in Sunday and Friday stages should look very good right now, a bit less good on Saturday stages, but this image does not look right.. And the image was posted.. before it was actually taken?This image that was posted on Swedish Facebook page at 9.40 gmt so 10.40 Swedish time.

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[satnav]

These stage image's are all posted on ; https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/

There are also pictures from Hagfors and unfortunately they look similar

[bluuford]

These stage image's are all posted on ; https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/

There are also pictures from Hagfors and unfortunately they look similar

OK, clear, seems that they have ploughed that stage in the morning (you can clearly see if you compare some images), this is not so good idea, I would say :/ Some tyre management is needed on Saturday ;)

[Tauri_J]

Well they cant leave it unploughed, locals obviously want to use the roads

[tommeke_B]

Also Ogier would be complaining too much, and nobody wants that.

[SubaruNorway]

Or just use a roller to pack it hard, hopefully they will with the wet snow tomorrow night

[Eli]

I am not sure this is correct image... I have followed around 10 stations in the region all night, it was basically snowing everywhere overnight except Karsltad, some light rain near noon for some stages... Conditions in Sunday and Friday stages should look very good right now, a bit less good on Saturday stages, but this image does not look right.. And the image was posted.. before it was actually taken?

Reminds me of 2004, when 3 days before the rally it was all covered in snow but then this happened....and Loeb won....

[tomhlord]

Thanks for all the help regarding staying warm-ish on pages 19/20, much appreciated!

[SubaruNorway]

If it stays at +5 staying warm will be no problem, you will probably be too hot walking into the stages most of the time ;)
Looks like it might be like it was in 2014
https://youtu.be/LoKjLyWaRKg

[masa90]

Weather will not be optimal, but no fear of cancellation?

[BleAivano]

Weather will not be optimal, but no fear of cancellation? I really doubt that they will cancel the entire rally. Possibly they might not allow the historic cars in some stages or just run the first loop one some stages. It's a bit too early to say though.

[Entertainer]

Everybody needs to calm down, during the nights the forecast says -2 to -6 or even colder, and with rain now there will be a ok ice-base.
Only thing that is sad and a bit worrying is the lack of snowbanks and/or thin icelayer for 2nd runs🥺

[tommeke_B]

Only thing that is sad and a bit worrying is the lack of snowbanks and/or thin icelayer for 2nd runs��

Many of the spectators won't even remember there was a 2nd loop the day after, so no issue for them. :)

[tomhlord]

If it stays at +5 staying warm will be no problem, you will probably be too hot walking into the stages most of the time ;)

Good point!

[EstWRC]

Every year same damn shit. A week before or after the rally the conditions are perfect but at rally weekend it turns to mess.

[satukata]

If it stays at +5 staying warm will be no problem, you will probably be too hot walking into the stages most of the time ;)
Looks like it might be like it was in 2014
https://youtu.be/LoKjLyWaRKg


2014 lesjeförs was full gravel, but they still drove it twice. Hope they can run whole rally this year!

[Tauri_J]

Everybody needs to calm down, during the nights the forecast says -2 to -6 or even colder, and with rain now there will be a ok ice-base.
Only thing that is sad and a bit worrying is the lack of snowbanks and/or thin icelayer for 2nd runs��

no, it wont be ok

[satnav]

Many of the spectators won't even remember there was a 2nd loop the day after, so no issue for them. :)

I seen a few one year didn't even know about the first loop , any excuse for a party

[dimviii]

shakedown

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzC3PNsXcAEhZtj.jpg

[Tarmop]

no, it wont be ok

Be more reasonbable than you are in sr.org, ability to think is the key.

[pantealex]

Latvala believe that fight for win is between Himself, Neuville and Tänak.

[dupanton]

Ogier believe that fight for win is between Himself, Neuville and Tänak.

Fixed it for you

[BleAivano]

Everybody needs to calm down, during the nights the forecast says -2 to -6 or even colder, and with rain now there will be a ok ice-base. Only thing that is sad and a bit worrying is the lack of snowbanks and/or thin icelayer for 2nd runs🥺 -2 isn't much and only Tuesday will be cold and Wednesday seems like it will be very warm with +6.

[pantealex]

Fixed it for you

Probably both think like that but JML is closer to truth ;)

[Entertainer]

-2 isn't much and only Tuesday will be cold and Wednesday seems like it will be very warm with +6.

I guess it depends which weather service you choose to rely on. The one I use is usually correct, and shows Wednseday in Torsby getting between +1 and -6 deg...

[satukata]

Latvala believe that fight for win is between Himself, Neuville and Tänak.

where you get this info?

[BleAivano]

I guess it depends which weather service you choose to rely on. The one I use is usually correct, and shows Wednseday in Torsby getting between +1 and -6 deg... Yes for Tuesday. but not Wednesday. https://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/ortsprognoser/q/Torsby/2667876#ort=2715953,59.366665/16.5;flik=0,tab=0,chart=1 https://www.yr.no/sted/Sverige/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/langtidsvarsel.html

[masa90]

I guess it depends which weather service you choose to rely on. The one I use is usually correct, and shows Wednseday in Torsby getting between +1 and -6 deg...

Finnish sites show plus degrees for the whole rally. Lets see and hope for the best.

[stefanvv]

Latvala believe that fight for win is between Himself, Neuville and Tänak.

That's easier than between himself and .... himself.

[tc10a]

@OfficialRallySweden 44 Min · Weather Report - The plus degrees has hit the Rally Sweden roads as wished for. Now we wait on getting the minus degrees back to freeze the water to ice. Tomorrows forecast says +2 during the day and down to -7 in Torsby tomorrow night.��✨��

�� See todays pictures from Likenäs, Svullrya & Shakedown.

Shakedown: 30-40 cm snow depth, 3-4 cm layer of ice on the road.❄️

(��: Martin Johansson, Magnus Säfström)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BttYralC9qf/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1r6l9fteilgcj

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[Entertainer]

Yes for Tuesday. but not Wednesday. https://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/ortsprognoser/q/Torsby/2667876#ort=2715953,59.366665/16.5;flik=0,tab=0,chart=1 https://www.yr.no/sted/Sverige/V%C3%A4rmland/Torsby/langtidsvarsel.html

You need to learn how to read... I wrote "depends which weather service you choose", and you still tried to correct me.
This is the forecast for Wednesday according to Klart.se: You still want to argue that I'm wrong? +1 to -6 degrees. 1723

[hari]

Before the action starts - a look back on Rally Sweden 2007-2018:
Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_rueckblick_rally_sweden_2007_2018.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/12.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/65.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden_archiv/108.jpg

[mknight]

Funny looking at 2003+ Focus. When introduced it had so massive aero relative to the cars of the era.

Now after watching the 2017 WRC for two years it looks almost like an R5 car, or maybe not even that considering C3 R5 and the like..

[TypeR]

also one awesome shot from last years rally, F lucky landing it was ;)
https://www.upload.ee/image/9551925/WRC-Rally-Sweden-2018-15.jpg
*not my photo

[BleAivano]

You need to learn how to read... I wrote "depends which weather service you choose", and you still tried to correct me. This is the forecast for Wednesday according to Klart.se: You still want to argue that I'm wrong? +1 to -6 degrees. 1723 Yeah since imo klart.se is less accurate then Yr and SMHI.

[N.O.T]

So who cancelled his spectating so far because of the weather predictions ????

what do you mean no one ???

you mean to say... that discussing about swedish weather makes no difference ???

HOW CAN THIS BE ???

[er88]

Latvala believe that fight for win is between Himself, Neuville and Tänak.Fighting talk. Hope he doesn't have a meltdown if he can't match those two though, or gets beaten by another driver like Ogier/Loeb/Mikkelsen who he has ruled over. Even worse for his mental state would be Meeke!!

[Rallyper]

Again. No worries about the surface. It will be icy.
And yes NOT, you´re right, no one cancelles his visit bcs of lack of snow or something...

[pantealex]

where you get this info?

Keskisuomalainen (sunday)

[SubaruNorway]

What's the difference with this new snow tyre?

[tc10a]

During the night it has frozen with some light snow - sunny skies today at the service:

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51756943_10214349207306271_1446138561127514112_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=047bf85462ed2e77dfc748d5c7550e8e&oe=5CF4477C

Foto: Lars Emilsson‎

[tc10a]

WRC2-Test stage today 9-15h:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzG4TgDXgAEV903.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzG4TgAWkAI8zB0.jpg
Fotos: Fredrik Gustavson

https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/1094858850732310528

[Entertainer]

Yeah since imo klart.se is less accurate then Yr and SMHI.

Your "opinion" of which service is best is not relevant. What is relevant is your inability to understand what I wrote or to say "Yes you are correct, we are looking at two different sources of information".


As for the weather situation, I guess it's mixed signals and it makes everyone (including me) a bit uneasy, understandably. SNevertheless, the rally will be brilliant with the lineup we have! :D

[tc10a]

@OfficialRallySweden Weather report - Test stage Torsby‼️☀️❄️ -2 c° and thick ice layer!

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51781247_2140435972715951_6554397445504106496_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=76f4b02820ca6116ef576402cb492615&oe=5CF79BDBhttps://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51808564_2140436032715945_3681365285723439104_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=d9d3eca6bd845ef2e9cba72ee97f398c&oe=5CF5A2E9

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/1094981069760356353

[tc10a]

@RallySweden - Weather report - Our wishes came true with todays minus degrees that gave us a nice solid layer of ice! ����❄️

�� See todays pictures from Vargåsen, Hagfors and Rämmen!

https://twitter.com/RallySweden/status/1094981069760356353

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[dimviii]

I hope that we have good conditions so we can enjoy ourselves, although I’m aware that running first is very often a significant disadvantage, due to the layer of snow covering the ice,” said Ogier, a three-time Sweden winner

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2019/ogier-sweden/page/6091--12-12-.html

[masa90]

Those shots looks great ! Here in Finland it has been raining for four days now and there is so much slush. I was fearing something similar :)

Still time to go though. Btw, to rally sweden veterans, is there some booths etc on the stages that sell food like "rallykorv" etc :) Just so that I know how to prepare.

[EstWRC]

so rallying week finally.

Since we still dont know the exact weather, then at the moment its hard to predict who is gonna be at the top but looking the previous years, the guys should be the usual ones, Ogier, Neuville, Tänak, Latvala. Loeb, Lappi and Mikkelsen too i guess.

Neuville will be interesting to watch, two years in a row he has had excellent starting position but this time he is starting at the front, but he is always fast, whatever position he is starting at.

Meeke showed great speed in Monte but Sweden has been a nightmare for him. Every result i checked from the past, he has never finished this rally without trouble.

Lets hope we will have a nice weather and conditions, which is the main thing.

[er88]

Yep Meeke has had a nightmare in Sweden every time he's tackled the event. I can't see him either matching the pace of Tanak and Latvala, or finishing solidly. Can't see Latvala or Tanak not being among the leaders, unless Latvala caves in mentally for some reason.

Anyone of the 3 Hyundai's could/ should fight for the win depending on conditions. The car is superb in Sweden - pressure on Mikkelsen following a poor start to the season and it being his home rally.

Citroen will be interesting - the car was awful here in 2017 but Ostberg and particularly Breen were fast last year (helped by road position initially, but then Breen outpaced Mikkelsen and finished 2nd). Not sure what to expect with Lappi, but favourable road position and he could be near the front after the first day at least.

Msport - hoping to see some pace at least from Tidemand after a cautious Monte. And especially want to see more from Suninen - this rally and Finland are events he should've been targeting at the start of the year. As for Evans, he's in the same boat as Mikkelsen - pressure on him from a bad season and then a poor start in Monte this year. Unfortunately I can't see him doing anything in Sweden, whereas Mikkelsen I can see doing well. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Evans gets dropped before the end of the season for Breen or Paddon...

[krisgerhard]

Rally Sweden predicting is now opened on WRC Fan as well. More details https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40138-WRC-Fan-A-Free-Prediction-Platform-By-WRC-fans

[stefanvv]

Msport - hoping to see some pace at least from Tidemand after a cautious Monte. And especially want to see more from Suninen - this rally and Finland are events he should've been targeting at the start of the year. As for Evans, he's in the same boat as Mikkelsen - pressure on him from a bad season and then a poor start in Monte this year. Unfortunately I can't see him doing anything in Sweden, whereas Mikkelsen I can see doing well. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Evans gets dropped before the end of the season for Breen or Paddon...

Well Evans had good rally in Sweden last 2 years (of course Ogier and Tanak had nightmare last year, but still very good results for Evans). Agree about Tidemand and Suninen. Hopefully it'll be a good rally for M-Sport.

[Rallyper]

Those shots looks great ! Here in Finland it has been raining for four days now and there is so much slush. I was fearing something similar :)

Still time to go though. Btw, to rally sweden veterans, is there some booths etc on the stages that sell food like "rallykorv" etc :) Just so that I know how to prepare.

There is food on every stage, but not at all marked spots...

[Rallyper]

NOTE! Only cash on stages for parking and tickets. Organizer is very clear on that, saying no cards or swish possible.

[dimviii]

wrc2 testing for Sweden
https://youtu.be/wWKGJjSkHjM

[pantealex]

Any pictures (cars) from WRC2 testday ?

Interested to see liveries before leaving to SWEDEN. Easier to spectate if I know which car belongs to which driver.

[Micke_VOC]

Great video from todays WRC2-test from Passats de canto !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKGJjSkHjM

Some pictures from test here:
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[tc10a]

Great video from todays WRC2-test from Passats de canto !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKGJjSkHjM

Some pictures from test here:
FB LINK (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=ms.c.eJw9j8kNBEEIAzNacTSH809stCD8LZmyMS8BshqB yvCfLRD9g3I5kDaJBEEYXEWYEEnL5~_gDhkl4Hng5ibADOtJSS q32hI5Wgwv6HajYpScN5C4N7uhxRLF2n2s~_997uoLQxLcWlgU k4h7kOSEpVt~_V9yoJCMA~-~-.bps.a.2370995816264417&type=1)



Crazy video - full attack already at the test from most of them. Very nice

[satukata]

Great video👌

[Allez Andruet]

https://twitter.com/TeemuSuninenRac/status/1094930941414387714

Stick 'em up motherfucker
This is a hold up
We've come for what's ours!

[tomhlord]

I know it's a bit cliched, but I'm fancying a visit to Colin's Crest. Is it simply the case of turning up and parking here https://goo.gl/maps/kVgty11Hb672 (first image) before the stage starts, or is it here https://goo.gl/maps/4ZVE8fsiHsz (second image) and then a three-hour walk?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The Rally Sweden magazine (page 16) says "slightly inaccessible location, which requires a long walk or ATV."

[Luijbregts]

I know it's a bit cliched, but I'm fancying a visit to Colin's Crest. Is it simply the case of turning up and parking here https://goo.gl/maps/kVgty11Hb672 (first image) before the stage starts, or is it here https://goo.gl/maps/4ZVE8fsiHsz (second image) and then a three-hour walk?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The Rally Sweden magazine (page 16) says "slightly inaccessible location, which requires a long walk or ATV."

From what I remember is hours walk and poor visibility if you are not there at least 3/4 hours before stage start. That spot has become like a stadium with folks practically living there in tents and closing off the best spots to view.

[STI69]

First option has two big parking areas, then take ATV ride to the stage, non stop running, 40-50 sek if I remember correctly. Second option is tricky, we managed to drive the road quite close last year but there is only roadside parking available and the walking distance really depends from how many cars are there parked before your arrival.

[tc10a]

I know it's a bit cliched, but I'm fancying a visit to Colin's Crest. Is it simply the case of turning up and parking here https://goo.gl/maps/kVgty11Hb672 (first image) before the stage starts, or is it here https://goo.gl/maps/4ZVE8fsiHsz (second image) and then a three-hour walk?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The Rally Sweden magazine (page 16) says "slightly inaccessible location, which requires a long walk or ATV."


First place and its just about a 20 minutes walk from the big road to colins crest. Was there last year and had no problem finding a perfect place about 1 hour before the start of stage. There are plenty of people but because of the campingsite-like area there is much space between. I have left it out for about 7 years as I feared also the mass of people - but it was a very good decision to go there last year. Simply crazy and lots of action. Will probably do it again this year.

[df93]

Looking for any spectating tips for the Vargåsen stage? Not too much of a walk from spectator car park. Spectator area 1 looks the best I would say?

[tomhlord]

First option has two big parking areas, then take ATV ride to the stage, non stop running, 40-50 sek if I remember correctly. Second option is tricky, we managed to drive the road quite close last year but there is only roadside parking available and the walking distance really depends from how many cars are there parked before your arrival.


First place and its just about a 20 minutes walk from the big road to colins crest. Was there last year and had no problem finding a perfect place about 1 hour before the start of stage. There are plenty of people but because of the campingsite-like area there is much space between. I have left it out for about 7 years as I feared also the mass of people - but it was a very good decision to go there last year. Simply crazy and lots of action. Will probably do it again this year.


Okay, that's great, thank you. I plan to drive to the car park that is closest ( link one in my original post ) for an hour before stage start and then hope to catch the ATV or walk to 20 minutes – if I understand correctly.

Looking forward to it.

[SubaruNorway]

Looking for any spectating tips for the Vargåsen stage? Not too much of a walk from spectator car park. Spectator area 1 looks the best I would say?

If you go there from Torsby try not to drive past the stage end as it's a complete chaos down there after they shortened the stage, better to drive around north past the start i think.
Road up there is a bit narrow so seen several getting stuck in the deep ditch and much more people now than before.

[AnttiL]

Now it seems like a good amount of minus degrees all over the route. Some freezing also forecasted for wednesday-thursday night but other than that, a lot of plus degrees. I would say challenging conditions but no fear of canceling anything.

[Rallyper]

Now it seems like a good amount of minus degrees all over the route. Some freezing also forecasted for wednesday-thursday night but other than that, a lot of plus degrees. I would say challenging conditions but no fear of canceling anything.

So far there has been dry warm air, so not much melting anywhere daytime, despite several plusdegrees. Looking good.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzNVRTvWkAEliQw.jpg

[tc10a]

@OfficialRallySweden - StartseiteWeather report - Svullrya, Röjden, Hof Finnskog, Likenäs‼️��❄️ Temperature this morning: -17 c° and thick ice layer on the stages!��

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51835819_2142160802543468_1652062275667755008_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_eui2=AeGEZWDVA6_CYL5lX122nMYBGDCkWv2AQOoWx-WC3jMzh-51d_-eSkrtlzioeJQEMNIzF2N87rJQl2_oWdguhkD4tbrUVhTDriahu Dq2_a9Jbg&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e1b157c28e10b0784ee677d2810b987f&oe=5CF98F0Bhttps://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52585283_2142160929210122_2729173110669443072_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeG1mBXIFhHF6aqUXKa9YA46xCS9ARQGKL11TCGup oA6tyAED_0sW_OD828vI2J1oN7AM1TgtL2t-0e9Uk4lecIhdV5ZIk0zbVG-3t6u2xVwzQ&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=b611fde8f9876c0ee0d15cd8718ad4e1&oe=5CECB653https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51863892_2142160759210139_3347738329318686720_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_eui2=AeHltsmX0RO4IEenP8AxmIUXUc_dJqeEYiB65wNqC FGdgOplvZOzRZN7w_tFNflXjZk53AVPSSdHAoqlr84K-4dg-G7wmkt350NUv_Snd9_ovA&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=5e8bb6fe4212fb2f4f2a23fd0f708adc&oe=5CFDBCD0https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51742011_2142160875876794_916092377930661888_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeEouw5vUsjaQ_qz7sEWjBbikkPp_YKfiPoFzO2T8 4GZNBSITA5r3po1XDZvq6i8zN0Krfp-k7be7tmTHvzJkO3-l2pRZDD3sdfpEZ7SkTYssw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=b50c8e7ea9c225504fa0c1d99ccd3622&oe=5CF2C595

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2019/post-157-0-68663600-1549979612.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_02_2019/post-157-0-42249300-1549979619.jpg

[EstWRC]

nice to see some kind of different livery on the Yaris

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nicer livery than the official one ! ;)

[dimviii]

Colins crest today morning
https://twitter.com/rallytravel/status/1095276518169808896

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1095342081629872132


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzNVRTwXgAA9qN0.jpg

[dimviii]

What's the difference with this new snow tyre?

NA 01 is for wrc2 ,same number studs as Ice North 3 which is for wrc cars.The only difference is that tyres for wrc2 protrudes 1 mm more than these for wrc cars(6,5mm vs 7,5mm)

[dimviii]

Pepo Matiauda
‏

@pepomatiauda
The youngest driver of this race (Sweden) #JWRC is Fabrizio Zaldivar (Fau) from Paraguay, South America, he turned 18 on February 8 and it will be his first race in snow


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzKUq3IWoAAQ0yb.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzKUqR-WwAEzvoD.jpg

[pantealex]

nice to see some kind of different livery on the Yaris

Yes but it´s still too similar. White car with red and black. Car should be black or red...
Something totally different than TGR is having. I liked his NESTE rally17 promo Yaris more.

[Rallyper]

That Fiesta is "flong ny" as we say in swedish... (Brand new in swedish slang...)

[Tarmop]

That Fiesta is "flong ny" as we say in swedish... (Brand new in swedish slang...)

All JWRC cars are brand new...

[janvanvurpa]

Hej Micke! are there any classes for the more interesting cars? You know the ones normal (well sort of normal) ( well OK a little Abbey Normal) people car afford, like Historics or Grupp H added on? It sure was fun a few years ago when they Historics were going, fun to plug their times into the WRC times..
I'm asking for a friend...

[janvanvurpa]

That Fiesta is "flong ny" as we say in swedish... (Brand new in swedish slang...)

flong ny...är det ett flong ny ordspåk? har spillans pensionerat? Eller spik ny...som motsvarade nagel neu på saksalianen? Är det sten-alder slang?


Please note, since it IS Swedish rally a little detour into Swedish when asking about Swedish rally is OK...
We return you to normal Ängleski before people start complaining..

Sorry!

[dimviii]

Μads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzO3UZ0W0AEaKp7.jpg

[Tarmop]

Hej Micke! are there any classes for the more interesting cars? You know the ones normal (well sort of normal) ( well OK a little Abbey Normal) people car afford, like Historics or Grupp H added on? It sure was fun a few years ago when they Historics were going, fun to plug their times into the WRC times..
I'm asking for a friend...

Historics are there, including Solberg Petter with his Escort mk2. Full entry list available on the events webpage.

[Rallyper]

flong ny...är det ett flong ny ordspåk? har spillans pensionerat? Eller spik ny...som motsvarade nagel neu på saksalianen? Är det sten-alder slang?


Please note, since it IS Swedish rally a little detour into Swedish when asking about Swedish rally is OK...
We return you to normal Ängleski before people start complaining..

Sorry!

Maybe it´s farmer språk from my part of the country north of Hallstavik. Roslagen. Familiar with that?

[dimviii]

Torstein Eriksen
‏

@TorsteinEriksen
The ���� stages of @RallySweden feels wider, but still with snow banks. For the moment it's a full ice surface, which means it will be flat out and I can't wait to co-drive! The big question⚠️ How much will the forecasted warm weather change the surface? #Codriver @OfficialWRC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Janne Tuohino - Mikko Markkula, Ford Fiesta WRC,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzOVuKeW0AkgZ_h.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally Sweden rejects WRC drivers' snow, temperature and road fears...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/141448/rally-sweden-rejects-drivers-temperature-fears

[dimviii]

watch what kind of autograph signed Elena lol
https://youtu.be/MPVoufipx_o

[mousti]

Probably got it from a visit to Ypres that Ricard card

Verstuurd vanaf mijn ONEPLUS A6013 met Tapatalk

[stefanvv]

watch what kind of autograph signed Elena lol
https://youtu.be/MPVoufipx_o

Here we have established expression - "beer tummy".

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzSE1p_X4AArhT9.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport Fiesta WRC now advertising their new R2 car:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzSU4u_X0AAlyCE.jpg:large

[janvanvurpa]

Historics are there, including Solberg Petter with his Escort mk2. Full entry list available on the events
webpage.

Jooo saw this on some BaseFook page:
[IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52337567_2136890756371633_7302833722041040896_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=eee3ec8e2d653dbf3ab427505f89b354&oe=5CF46298

All is good in the world..
Wonder if Petter will go crying to organisers about conditions??

[Rallyper]

Jooo saw this on some BaseFook page:
[IMG]https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52337567_2136890756371633_7302833722041040896_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=eee3ec8e2d653dbf3ab427505f89b354&oe=5CF46298

All is good in the world..
Wonder if Petter will go crying to organisers about conditions??

No. Why should he? But you must agree with, both you and me would want that car to drive on stages, right?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@Autosport
Loeb says Gronholm's comeback to the WRC at Rally Sweden will be difficult after the Finn's long spell away. https://t.co/Arat4eQEqU

[mousti]

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[janvanvurpa]

No. Why should he? But you must agree with, both you and me would want that car to drive on stages, right?

jag skojade lite pga jag läste nåt däruppe att WRC grabbar hade grinade om förhållandet på sträckorna...
Och visst fan jag skulle vara överlyckligt att gassa en sånt bil...Escorten i Grupp4 spec är otvivlaktigt kulaste bilen i världs historien o jag säger det som livstid (nåååå nästan livstid...från 1980 i alla fall) Saab 96 frälst dåre...

Ska du ut o tirra?

[janvanvurpa]

@Autosport
Loeb says Gronholm's comeback to the WRC at Rally Sweden will be difficult after the Finn's long spell away. https://t.co/Arat4eQEqU

Well of course it will be difficult..
But think of this: driving a rally car is supposed to be difficult, that's what makes it fascinating to see those guys do so well what we can't or don't..

So its already difficult...the question is "how much more difficult" than what he could already do before??"

Some things however have become easier since his best days..Certainly the long travel suspension has made some things easier..like "saving it" when doing crazy mistakes..Engines he might look at as easier..1600 smaller but can rev more...same power as before but delivered "easier" maybe

That's why we're interested....and not just with Marcus' return but I'm crossing my fingers for Loeb, too.
Lookin good.

[EstWRC]

Morning guys. Shakedown starts in a minute.

Judging by the order in WRC Plus, we will have Grönholm and Loeb as the last pair for tonights super special.

[Eric]

The Toyotas will be hard to beat this weekend. I wouldnt be shocked if we have three Toyotas in top 4/5.

[EstWRC]

quite a nasty bump near the end of the stage, throwing the car quite a lot

[drive]

R5 with a longer stud michelin looks good

[EstWRC]

first run times in championship order


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzWla7AWoAAGIfT.jpg

[Rallyper]

jag skojade lite pga jag läste nåt däruppe att WRC grabbar hade grinade om förhållandet på sträckorna...
Och visst fan jag skulle vara överlyckligt att gassa en sånt bil...Escorten i Grupp4 spec är otvivlaktigt kulaste bilen i världs historien o jag säger det som livstid (nåååå nästan livstid...från 1980 i alla fall) Saab 96 frälst dåre...

Ska du ut o tirra?

Yep, me, my son Simon and son in law will be at Rämmen on hopefully a very nice spot... Only Saturday though.

[Essaj]

Pontus might aswell be driving r5... or maybe he is 😁

[Allez Andruet]

Pontus might aswell be driving r5... or maybe he is ��

It's only the shakedown but sure it doesn't look good to be behind the R5's (as of now).

[AnttiL]

Nice pace from Suninen, given his limited snow rallying experience.

[Japé]

Glasses specs 2019 based to SD FB stream? ;)
Ogier: Light yellow
Neuville: Orange / Red
Meeke: Orange
Tanak: None
Loeb: None
Latvala: Yellow
Suninen: None
Tidemand: Yellow
Mikkelsen: Yellow
Lappi: None
Evans: None
Gronholm: None
Bertelli: None
Tuohino: None
Greensmith: Light yellow
Rovanpera: None


Though many drivers having orange visor attached to helmet but not using those.

Some 10 years ago no one had any of these.

[dimviii]

Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzWjs0tXgAAO5TF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzW4JsrX0AAxcxm.jpg

[EstWRC]

wow, Neuville way fastest than everybody else on third run


E:Meeke has had a problem or is his time wrong on third pass? 3 minutes down

[AnttiL]

wow, Neuville way fastest than everybody else on third run

Stage getting faster now?

[mknight]

Times looks strange half way through 3rd passes. Haven't been following car by car, but it seems strange that everyone in the top is within 1-2 secs around 4:10-4:11 and the Neuville goes so much faster followed by Loeb and Latvala.

Myabe someone (Meeke? looking at his time) "remove" some snowbank?

[PLuto]

Stage getting faster now?

Since beginning, with another run the stage is faster and faster. And difference is really big now.

[EstWRC]

Times looks strange half way through 3rd passes. Haven't been following car by car, but it seems strange that everyone in the top is within 1-2 secs around 4:10-4:11 and the Neuville goes so much faster followed by Loeb and Latvala.

Myabe someone (Meeke? looking at his time) "remove" some snowbank?

Tänak and Ogier were first ones with third pass...then there was a gap and after that Neuville, Loeb, Latvala and Evans set their times.

[mknight]

Since beginning, with another run the stage is faster and faster. And difference is really big now.
Yes but it's strange that Neuville improves more from 2nd to 3rd pass than from 1st to 2nd.

[dimviii]

Katsuta on pirellis?

[AnttiL]

Tänak and Ogier were first ones with third pass...then there was a gap and after that Neuville, Loeb, Latvala and Evans set their times.

A lot of R5 cars drove the stage in between

[AnttiL]

Katsuta on pirellis?

Yes. Also Pietarinen, Gryazin, Bergkvist and Kristoffersson

[AMSS]

Yes but it's strange that Neuville improves more from 2nd to 3rd pass than from 1st to 2nd.

Not if you consider there was a bunch of R5 cars (WRC 2 NOT plus) in addition between 2 and 3 run for Neuville, first 2 runs is more equal for all WRC and WRC 2+ three or more runs is WRC 2 as well in the mix so lots of more cars have been on the stage now

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport

@Michelin_Sport

BREAKING NEWS: Tyres allocations have changed.

@WRC drivers can now use 30 Michelin X-Ice North 3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any sign of gravel coming through ?

[KKS]

R5 with a longer stud michelin looks good
6.5mm studs for WRC and how mm studs for R5?

[AMSS]

6.5mm studs for WRC and how mm studs for R5?

~7,3

[dimviii]

6.5mm studs for WRC and how mm studs for R5?

7,5mm

[COD]

Well of course it will be difficult..
But think of this: driving a rally car is supposed to be difficult, that's what makes it fascinating to see those guys do so well what we can't or don't..

So its already difficult...the question is "how much more difficult" than what he could already do before??"

Some things however have become easier since his best days..Certainly the long travel suspension has made some things easier..like "saving it" when doing crazy mistakes..Engines he might look at as easier..1600 smaller but can rev more...same power as before but delivered "easier" maybe

That's why we're interested....and not just with Marcus' return but I'm crossing my fingers for Loeb, too.
Lookin good.

The cars maybe easier to drive, but without the experience that the others have, so much more difficult to utilise the whole potential of these cars. Also long brake makes you lose the touch and age doesn’t make things any easier...

[Mirek]

7,5mm

Any idea why the R5 have longer studs than WRC?

[dimviii]

Any idea why the R5 have longer studs than WRC?

dont know,maybe because they are less powerfull, cant harm a bigger stud, which gives more traction?

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
‏

@HartusvuoriWRC

Meeke off to a ditch on his 3rd run. He was helped backed on the road. #RallySweden

[EstWRC]

final times

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzXOG1YWwAEsHWd.jpg

[AL14]

Let's start a discussion about Shakedown times impressions just to piss NOT off.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville sounded very happy and confident pre-rally and his fast SD seems to back it up.

Tanak has the proven car and the speed and Ogier always goes well here if the road conditions are good.

Should be another great battle.

[stefanvv]

Neuville seems well prepared, but tomorrow will be difficult for him. I'm a bit surprised by Latvala's and Mikkelsen times. Also expected Tidemand to show more speed right from the start. The others more or less as expected.

[AL14]

Nice job guys, I like those. Evans set fifth time, I think he can easily challenge for a podium here.

[EstWRC]

Let's start a discussion about Shakedown times impressions just to piss NOT off.

and ill give two beers to the guy who guesses right after which stage Meeke says :"i love my yaris/car"

[dimviii]

and ill give two beers to the guy who guesses right after which stage Meeke says :"i love my yaris/car"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzXUNqBWkAYRFXv.jpg


https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1096015425320742912

[Rallyper]

and ill give two beers to the guy who guesses right after which stage Meeke says :"i love my yaris/car"

Or, on which stage he won´t come to finish...

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/28156-wrc-rally-sweden-shakedown-2019/

[drive]

Any idea why the R5 have longer studs than WRC?

I think it was that Michelin wanted to give R5 drivers a better tyre against Pirelli (7mm), as before Michelin for R5 had the same tyre as wrc cars (6.5mm) and were 'loosing' to Pirellis so to say... Just guessing :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville:
Good changes at the service! Feeling was very good on the 3rd run. Quickest through @RallySweden shakedown !

1. Neuville & @nicolasgilsoul
2. Tänak +2.2
3. Ogier +2.3
4. Meeke +2.5
5. Evans +2.7
6. Suninen +2.8
7. Lappi +3.4
8. Loeb +3.8

#WRC #HMSGOfficial #TN #NG https://t.co/S3UpGvMwwo

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ppEHMiIe8

[mousti]

Picture of TommekeB.

Dupanton's cord helped him back on thé road.

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[AMSS]

I think it was that Michelin wanted to give R5 drivers a better tyre against Pirelli (7mm), as before Michelin for R5 had the same tyre as wrc cars (6.5mm) and were 'loosing' to Pirellis so to say... Just guessing :)

It`s not just the protrusion that`s different compared to the WRC tire it`s a completely new tire as well though it looks the same..

[dupanton]

Meeke went of on a long righthander with a big bump just before. Hyundais jumped much more than the other cars. A lot of goof passes, nice shakedown!

[mknight]

With the road order making so big differences on SD it's also likely to make big differences tomorrow.

[drive]

It`s not just the protrusion that`s different compared to the WRC tire it`s a completely new tire as well though it looks the same..

yes, but still I think the main reason was to give R5 cars a different tyre than wrc one - a bit lighter, bigger protrusion etc... - a better 'gun' in a fight with Pirellis :)

[Rallyper]

With the road order making so big differences on SD it's also likely to make big differences tomorrow.

Well, Tidemand favourite then... :)

[hari]

Some pictures from Shakedown: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_schweden_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden/1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden/3.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden/4.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/schweden/5.jpg

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzXmPCWWkAA14Ay.png

Possible entry list for SSS1

[er88]

Well, Tidemand favourite then... :)Mikkelsen and Lappi should really take advantage. Mikkelsen really needs to considering the poor form he's in and then the bad start in Monte. There's no excuses here - home rally, superb car in these conditions, seemingly good road position and a good previous record here.

Meanwhile we saw last year what Ostberg did in the c3 and especially Breen - so maybe Lappi can use the road order advantage and get himself into the fight at the front too.

Evans and Suninen maybe likewise on day 1, would be nice to see a Ford up there. Don't think it'll be Pontus somehow though ;)

[AnttiL]

Depending on conditions the road may become already worn and slower for Lappi, Mikkelsen etc.

[EstWRC]

As I understand tomorrow’s stages are in good condition. The front runners must use it big tomorrow. That’s what Järveoja is also saying. Saturday could be huge lottery.

[AMSS]

yes, but still I think the main reason was to give R5 cars a different tyre than wrc one - a bit lighter, bigger protrusion etc... - a better 'gun' in a fight with Pirellis :)

Absolutely yes

[PLuto]

Full starting order to SSS 1 - https://rally-base.com/2019/rally-sweden-2019/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=987

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shakedown time matters to Suninen:
Sixth fastest time on Shakedown is a good confirmation that we have found nice set-up for these conditions in @RallySweden - starting tonight at 20.08 local time. https://t.co/PJdvCk3QG5

[Esko]

Really interesting rally starting soon. I believe Lappi, Mikkelsen and Suninen can really fight for podium positions. Ott and JML will be really fast, now it's really time for JML to fight for his positions in the team. On SD Neuville was faster than I expected.

What I'm really waiting is WRC2 battle. Mads is favorite with his experience, however I expect Kalle to be fastest WRC2 in most of stages. Waiting nice fight from Pietarinen, Lindholm, Pieniazek and Greensmith.

[KKS]

Michelin shakedown vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG6ZMUTkdEM

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/GRW22gQNW9I

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52344321_1950996425026992_686239171496378368_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fath3-3.fna&oh=29f35ef751b26f43e02dd02ed16900f1&oe=5CF3339F

https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallypixels/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1950994415027193&__tn__=-U-R

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only Full Attack Rally Sweden 2019 Shakedown [Passats de canto]
https://youtu.be/yUbuujDa12U

[dimviii]

Bergkvist boot

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzYBTOIXgAEn2U1.jpg

[dimviii]

Meeke off road at shakedown
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/28169-crash-meeke-at-shakedown-wrc-rally-sweden-2019/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke off road at shakedown
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/28169-crash-meeke-at-shakedown-wrc-rally-sweden-2019/

Great job by the fans... :cool:

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/rally_sweden_2019/hfr_dsc_6834.jpg


https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/53052-rally-sweden-2019/

[Allez Andruet]

Great job by the fans... :cool:

That should be the standard service level.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That should be the standard service level.

Like it used to be.

[EstWRC]

Great picture. So awesome to see them with the current generation drivers. Wrc is just so awesome since 2017 that even they want to have fun from time to time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzYnTsMX0AArMGX.jpg

[Micke_VOC]

Meeke went of on a long righthander with a big bump just before. Hyundais jumped much more than the other cars. A lot of goof passes, nice shakedown!

It was a great spot, i also was there =)

JKS had some crazy attack there with the Polo also

[dimviii]

Devillers video
https://youtu.be/3Wc8qKHsy6Y

[mknight]

Meeke off road at shakedown
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/28169-crash-meeke-at-shakedown-wrc-rally-sweden-2019/

Weird, he comes in view with things hanging a little bit off the left rear corner. Does a touch on that corner again when we see him and then goes off in next corner also on that side. Something wrong with that side of the car/tire at that moment or he just doesn't like right turns ? (like those Lappi crashes on tarmac).

[Tauri_J]

there was huge bump, you cant turn your car while its in the air :)

[dimviii]

https://www.twitch.tv/flashday

[mufcAleksi]

The ruts on the start/finish straight are awful, let's see how bad they are for top drivers

[KKS]

very bad conditions at SSS but it's 100km south form rally base

[EstWRC]

agreed, looked great with the first cars but shit already after couple of cars.

[er88]

Yep, really awful road conditions here.

[Allez Andruet]

Gus, now that it's been a while since Monte, have you had the time to find out who's Kalle Rovanperä?

[mknight]

Neuville did look much better than anyone else trough there.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Bosse !! :)

[mknight]

Didn't expect that, though Loeb seemed to be driving carefully.

[mufcAleksi]

Very good time by Marcus

[Mirek]

Loeb looked very slow.

[KKS]

Neuville did look much better than anyone else trough there.
agree, especially in ruts and at 1st "outside" corner, he was a brilliant there.

[Allez Andruet]

Grönholm > Meeke.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[KKS]

Marcus probably hit a "Neuville" tyres )

[COD]

Impressive drive on the SSS by Neuville, but also Grönholm and Pietarinen!

[Jumppe]

Huttunen drove same time than Meeke and Pietarinen.

[AnttiL]

Tamara Molinaro quicker than Lorenzo Bertelli

[Entertainer]

Huttunen drove same time than Meeke and Pietarinen.

Clearly the SS has become a little quicker the more cars drive there, Berglund is normally not as fast as Kristoffersson and certainly not up amongst Rovanperä/Solberg. That makes Pietarinens run so much more impressive.
The Lindholm/Veiby/Bergkvist times also prove it.

[AnttiL]

Veiby said on twitter he drove in safe mode. Gryazin said he had a really bad feeling on the stage.

[Tarmop]

Well, then there are WRC cars proving the opposite again. But yeah, it was more about being wreckless that brought you the best time in these rough conditions.

[KKS]

very tight so far in juniors

BTW Sesks no more Opel factory driver?

[Entertainer]

Well, then there are WRC cars proving the opposite again. But yeah, it was more about being wreckless that brought you the best time in these rough conditions.

Well naah, Grönholm/Loeb shouldn't be anywhere close to Neuville/Ogier. Huttunen quicker than Tidemand/Evans? Not likely. It still proves that it is faster now than earlier.
But ok, with the wrecklessness you have a point.

[Allez Andruet]

Huttunen quicker than Tidemand/Evans? Not likely. It still proves that it is faster now than earlier.

What's the excuse for Pietarinen then?

[sindroms]

BTW Sesks no more Opel factory driver?

Nope. Doing JWRC this year and two races in ERC on R5 as a prize drive from last year U23 win.

[Esko]

Really challenging to compare times between first WRC2 cars and cars after WRC.
Neuville did solid run, however today he did benefit from road position. After tomorrow he and Ogier will be quite far from rally leader.
Pietarinen had a great first stage even though started quite early.