WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2018

[AnttiL]

Last year on Grafshaft:
- Sordo jumped off the road right after start on first pass
- Lappi ripped a wheel off on second pass

These parts of last year's stage are not included on this year's stage. But still there was enough drama.

[René]

https://youtu.be/yGLoiel0WP8

Ostberg off !

[mknight]

And jesus christ are the Toyotas unreliable. Can somebody count how many technical issue related retirements Latvala has had in 2 years? The other weird part seems to be how they seem to happen to certain guys.
Mexico was a disaster but overall Tänaks mechanical issues seem to have somekind of a reason behind it, either a random stone damaged something or whatever. Latvala seems to have all the gearbox issues, electronical issues and so on.

I sometimes think is there something the driver can do about it? Can they be more thorough in check in the service. Is it that they have shittier mechanics dealing with their car or is it just purely bad luck.

In terms of reliability this year it's:

Ford > Citroen (fuel pressure issues in Finland) > Hyundai (Neuville - Mexico, Corsica PS (neither of them rally-ending), Mikkelsen - Monte, Portugal, Sardinia) > Toyota (all 3 Mexico, Latvala - Sardinia, Germany, also "partly" some of the suspension failures (JML -argentina, portugal, Tanak - portugal, sardinia)

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As to Latvala, while it doesn't look like his fault here in Germany, he was also the only one out of the 3 Polos that had so many issues and very often "suspension failures" from hitting rocks on the side. Same now in Toyota (Agentina, Portugal), so might have to do with driving style.


Tanak in Portugal seemed to have a bit lower ride height than the others and the front got lower just before the rocks. The jump in Sardinia was quite massive as well. Yes the Toyota seems more fragile, but it's not like they were completely innocent impacts.
( a bit like Hyundai suspension issues in Germany and Spain last year)

[SubaruNorway]

Roavnperä outpaces Veiby and other drivers in WRC2. Except for his podium contenders. What´s wrong with the others?

Veiby is not in WRC2 so probably just taking it easy and learning the rally.


Østbergs off
https://youtu.be/yGLoiel0WP8

[Mirek]

Veiby is not in WRC2 so probably just taking it easy and learning the rally.

I think that after the number of crashes he was simply ordered to finish and not to try anything else. Still he's been really slow here.

[sonnybobiche]

He's a fucky lucker, you know.

[KKS]

I think that after the number of crashes he was simply ordered to finish and not to try anything else. Still he's been really slow here.
He's run a PrintSport Fabia. Ordered by who? Skoda Motorsport?

[mknight]

He's a fucky lucker, you know.

A bit over the top from Tanak tbh.

It's rally. Yes Neuville is lucky here, in other rallies others were lucky.

For example in Mexico Neuville was massively unlucky with the car issues on day 1m that cost him starting position for rest of rally. Similarly in Argentina Tanak was lucky when he just bent the steering on day 1 while Latvala with similar impact destroyed the suspension.

[Päss1928]

A bit over the top from Tanak tbh.



Yep, no need for such statements. Pull yourself together Ott.

[KKS]

Cool story from JML. Toyota should ban pee outside a service to prevent car issues.

[krissucool]

A bit over the top from Tanak tbh.

It's rally. Yes Neuville is lucky here, in other rallies others were lucky.

For example in Mexico Neuville was massively unlucky with the car issues on day 1m that cost him starting position for rest of rally. Similarly in Argentina Tanak was lucky when he just bent the steering on day 1 while Latvala with similar impact destroyed the suspension.

Pretty sure it was meant as a joke.

[mknight]

Latvala saying the hydraulics stopped working on road section while he was peeing next to the car....

Yaris does not like that ;)

[EstWRC]

Yaris wanted to pee too

[mknight]

Can Sordo without windscreen keep 28s ahead of Breen?
Most likely not.

[sonnybobiche]

Can Sordo without windscreen keep 28s ahead of Breen?
Most likely not.

I wonder whether he will take out the rear windows for drag reduction.

[Mirek]

He's run a PrintSport Fabia. Ordered by who? Skoda Motorsport?

By his father and co.

Also even if he runs with a private car it can be in works team organization scope. All Nordgren's starts so far have been with rented private cars from Wevers or Kresta despite being organized by the works team.

[HaCo]

I wonder whether he will take out the rear windows for drag reduction.

I remember Schwarz doing the same in this event a long time ago, cannot imagine there isn’t a rule against this.

[dupanton]

Can Sordo without windscreen keep 28s ahead of Breen?
Most likely not.

Funny interview when he calls the vineyards "binyards" :p

[HaCo]

Sitting between the vineyards now, a lot of sun, getting hotter and hotter. Hear the card coming :-D

[HaCo]

No images of Sordos excursion?

[Mirek]

https://www.wrc.com/images//News/2018/August2018/14399_DaniSordo-Germay-2018_001_896x504.jpg?

From wrc.com

[HaCo]

Thanks, did they fix the overheat issue?

[wwbroe]

Sordo started the stage 10 mins late, so a 1min40 penalty, but he started the stage

[mknight]

Everything calmed down, only WRC2 fight still going on.

[wwbroe]

Kopecky virtually in the lead now

[KKS]

First 3 splits Kopecky and Rovanpera are leveled, but from 4th - Jan start to pulling out. -2.7 on 4th.

[wrc2017]

Otsberg doesn't getting pilloried for going off from 10th place? Why not?

[wwbroe]

Seems Sordo didn't start the stage after all, pitty.

[wrc2017]

Can someone explain the purpose of having Mikkelson in your team? He can't even help his teammate.

[SubaruNorway]

Is it just me or was Tänaks gearbox making more noise than normal in 1st and 2nd?

[wwbroe]

Kopecky pulling away now, almost five secons

[KKS]

-4.7 now. Welcome back Jan for leading position

[EstWRC]

Is it just me or was Tänaks gearbox making more noise than normal in 1st and 2nd?

i hope it was just you

[BigWorm]

Did Colin Clark call Fabio Andolfi ''Umberto''?

[SubaruNorway]

Can someone explain the purpose of having Mikkelson in your team? He can't even help his teammate.

Dude, you spelled his name right in your first post what happened?!

[AnttiL]

Did Colin Clark call Fabio Andolfi ''Umberto''?

Heard that as well

[wwbroe]

Kopecky really in the lead of WRC2 now

[mknight]

Dude, you spelled his name right in your first post what happened?!

If you haven't noticed he has been miss-spelling him and 2-3 other drivers that he does not like on purpose for last year or more just to troll.

One of the reasons he is the single person on my ignore list. Even NOT does not get that privilege.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

why? whyyyy????? Neuville in the end with second place, whatever

I know, crazy.

He's had no pace all rally and ends up handed 2nd place.

[BigWorm]

Heard that as well

Awkward, Colin.

[SubaruNorway]

i hope it was just you

I can't hear it on the last stage yesterday, time will tell

[HarriK]

He's run a PrintSport Fabia. Ordered by who? Skoda Motorsport?
Most likely Evenrally because livery is also that.

[dimviii]

virtual points till last stage

Neuville 171
Ogier 144
Tanak 132


source @KiwiWRCfan

[dimviii]

I know, crazy.

He's had no pace all rally and ends up handed 2nd place.

that was almost the rule for Ogier at 2017

[dimviii]

@RallySolo video with Sordos off

[KKS]

@RallySolo video with Sordos off
https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/1031091823127736320

[racerx1979]

Andreas should be sharing a car next year. He’s been nowhere this year unfortunately. Sordo has had a much better drive bar today’s off.

[KKS]

Andreas should be sharing a car next year. He’s been nowhere this year unfortunately. Sordo has had a much better drive bar today’s off.
And whom you promoted to 2nd driver with full season?

[EstWRC]

:D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk8wky6XcAA1qd6.jpg

[Japé]

^^ Ok as a road section solution, but it is hard to understand why so few drivers have select helmet model with visor, since you can always keep visor up when not needed.

[mknight]

:D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk8wky6XcAA1qd6.jpg
Epic. Was it Colin C that claimed Sordo will use shades instead of goggles because of the looks?

[HaCo]

Kreim doing very well! Almost 4th

[racerx1979]

And whom you promoted to 2nd driver with full season?

Sordo is best bet.

[racerx1979]

that was almost the rule for Ogier at 2017

This is the damn truth. Ogier was also one lucky fu@c$r at times. It’s part of rally.

[mknight]

Sordo is best bet.
Sordo said he doesn't want to do full season.

Anyway if they want Mikkelsen to drive on tarmac both the team and him have to use time (and money) to make the car+driver combination work. I didnt notice any real effort from any of them between the rallies.

[racerx1979]

Sordo said he doesn't want to do full season.

Anyway if they want Mikkelsen to drive on tarmac both the team and him have to use time (and money) to make the car+driver combination work. I didnt notice any real effort from any of them between the rallies.

Well rumor has it he has changed his mind and wants to pursue a full program, but I heard this from a source within Toyota so who knows... either way there is no denying Mikkelsen has had a rough year in the I20 and he’s driving full time unlike Sordo and Paddon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

that was almost the rule for Ogier at 2017

So you will all moan about lucky Neuville all the time now then ?

[mknight]

Thing is Sordo is (historically) terrible in Finland and GB and weak in Sweden and Australia. At this point of his career its unlikely he'll improve at those rallies. While Mikkelsen was fast on tarmac as late as last year in different car.
Mikkelsen gravel pace this year while not epic, is comparable with the other 2.

[wrc2017]

Sordo said he doesn't want to do full season.

Anyway if they want Mikkelsen to drive on tarmac both the team and him have to use time (and money) to make the car+driver combination work. I didnt notice any real effort from any of them between the rallies.
Give me one reason why you would pay Mikkelsen to drive for your team?

[Ucci]

Kopecky really in the lead of WRC2 now

Kopecky really humiliated other R5 drivers. He is good, I admit. Sordo will strugle to beat him next weekend......

[mknight]

Sordo's understeer on gravel off for those who haven't seen it yet:
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2018/special/crash-dani-sordo/

[dimviii]

So you will all moan about lucky Neuville all the time now then ?

if he starts to moan at every stage stop about his start position of course.

[Ucci]

Sordo's understeer on gravel off for those who haven't seen it yet:
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2018/special/crash-dani-sordo/

This is a ''school case'' of understeer.

[Indreq]

Haha Tänak tweet is epic :D
https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/1031112308880236544

[dimviii]

Franceschi retitred from differential while he had 4 minutes lead.

[Eric]

Give me one reason why you would pay Mikkelsen to drive for your team?

Whats the alternatives? Mikkelsen is a better overall driver than Paddon. I cant see who else would join Hyundai next year.

[Lead]

Evans lucky to get away with it. Trees were close.

[stefanvv]

rally to forget for Evans.

[SubaruNorway]

If Hyundai doesn't change the car for next year i think It's better the Mikkelsen contract is broken and maybe try Toyota if rumors of one of them leaving are true

[Eli]

rally to forget for Evans.

For Evans, Sordo, Latvala, Breen.....

[mknight]

For Evans, Sordo, Latvala, Breen.....

... Østberg, Mikkelsen

It's the same story as the whole season tbh.

You have 3 drivers that are doing very well (Neuville, Tanak, Ogier)
2 good (Sordo, Lappi)
and just about everone else has a terrible season one way or another.

[RS]

Awful choice for tv stage again and/or awful editing.

Onboard signal breaking up all the time.

[Eric]

If Hyundai doesn't change the car for next year i think It's better the Mikkelsen contract is broken and maybe try Toyota if rumors of one of them leaving are true

Agree. No point for neither Hyundai or Mikkelsen to continue if the car doesnt fit him. The guy can be fast. Everyone knows that. But with the Hyundai he is actually one of the slowest driver in the WRC.

[Lead]

If Hyundai doesn't change the car for next year i think It's better the Mikkelsen contract is broken and maybe try Toyota if rumors of one of them leaving are true
Thats true, something isnt really working in that driver and car/team combination.

[rp]

If Hyundai doesn't change the car for next year i think It's better the Mikkelsen contract is broken and maybe try Toyota if rumors of one of them leaving are true

Do you think that Toyota is willing to sign Andreas..?

[Lead]

They really didnt have any other stage to choose for powerstage? Simply awful.

[EstWRC]

Awful choice for tv stage again and/or awful editing.

Onboard signal breaking up all the time.

Agreeed. Bullshit again

[peg306]

He's run a PrintSport Fabia. Ordered by who? Skoda Motorsport?


Most likely Evenrally because livery is also that.

It's Kristofferson Motorsport that owns the car, it's on swedish plates. Same car that Johan did Rally Sweden in.

[N.O.T]

the power stage is trash !!!

[AndyRAC]

Awful choice for tv stage again and/or awful editing.

Onboard signal breaking up all the time.

Does nothing to 'promote/ sell' the sport......No real sensation of speed, mostly hidden under the trees.....a waste!

[denkimi]

Whats the alternatives? Mikkelsen is a better overall driver than Paddon. I cant see who else would join Hyundai next year.
They could try kopecky. He's been the best non wrc driver for years now.

[mknight]

They could try kopecky. He's been the best non wrc driver for years now.

one word:
gravel

[mknight]

Extremely good result from Rovanpera, in many ways more important than winning 3-4 rallies on gravel.

Maybe Skoda will give him full WRC2 season next year with promise of WRC if they go for it in 2020.

[RS]

Extremely good result from Rovanpera, in many ways more important than winning 3-4 rallies on gravel.

Maybe Skoda will give him full WRC2 season next year with promise of WRC if they go for it in 2020.

Yes, very impressive for his first proper tarmac WRC event.

Great fight back from Kopecky too.

[SubaruNorway]

Do you think that Toyota is willing to sign Andreas..?

Why would you not sign a guy that can beat Ogier in a straight fight and does PR no bad as well

[Tauri_J]

rally to forget for Evans.

season to forget

[Eric]

They could try kopecky. He's been the best non wrc driver for years now.

I think we all know that that wont happen

[KKS]

It's Kristofferson Motorsport that owns the car, it's on swedish plates. Same car that Johan did Rally Sweden in.
PrintSport on Entrylist and on a rear wing
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2018/hfr_dsc_6788.jpg

[AndyRAC]

End of a lacklustre event for Mikkelsen....he looks glad it's over.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen: Nothing to push for, but 10 sec off the pace from Breen in 14km is huge.

[AnttiL]

Great rally for Suninen, fifth on first tarmac WRC rally

[MartijnS]

Just finished my photos as we went home last night. Good weekend again, not all the spots were good photowise, but enjoyed ourselves a lot!

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More at: https://www.facebook.com/rallymedia/ !

[Lead]

Ogier on the limit

[dimviii]

30.000 euro fine at hyundai because car No 40 found with wheels exceeding the nomimal width

[KKS]

hohohoooowwww Tanak -0.4 on 2nd split

[jonkka]

If he makes it...

[lnvs]

Why would you not sign a guy that can beat Ogier in a straight fight and does PR no bad as wellThey already have a pair of those + one young guy who has potential to improve. ;)

[KKS]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa +0.1 :(

[jonkka]

Damn, not quite

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great drive Tanak... perfect.

[BigWorm]

Now all of the current cars have won on sealed and loose surfaces.

Very well done, Ott!

[gheeD]

Tactical hay bale contact from ogier on the powerstage.. made sure he would win the PS by maximizing dirt on the tarmac.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tactical hay bale contact from ogier on the powerstage.. made sure he would win the PS by maximizing dirt on the tarmac.

He made a mistake there and it cost HIM time !

[mknight]

I can think of 4-5 reasons why Toyota wouldn't want Mikkelsen but these 2 are not one of them:


They already have a pair of those + one young guy who has potential to improve. ;)

a) they likely don't have a pair cause rumor has it that one of Latvala/Lappi is leaving to Citroen (also Lappi has not beat Ogier in straight fight yet)
b) Lappi is not really "young", or inversely Mikkelsen isn't "old". The difference is 1,5 years.

[bugwrx]

my god how good Ott Tänak is, points wise he should be just there with Thierry

[N.O.T]

Nice win... Τanak is a contender for sure... if that village team manages to keep reliable.

[jonkka]

48th win for Toyota, the are now the most successful Japanese make in WRC and tied with Peugeot as 4th most successful make in WRC history.

[BigWorm]

Tactical hay bale contact from ogier on the powerstage.. made sure he would win the PS by maximizing dirt on the tarmac.

Now that is far fetched

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier only lost 2 points to Neuvulle despite yesterdays disaster.

[EstWRC]

Yesssss, yessssssss, yessssssssssss, yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Yessssssssssss


Did I say yessssssssssss?


Yeaaaaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahajajajajajah aj

[KKS]

Ogier only lost 2 points to Neuvulle despite yesterdays disaster.
it's called - LUCK

[AnttiL]

Awesome driving again from Tänak. Lappi also ended a difficult rally with a podium, well done.

[Augury]

Kaj :D

[flykas]

Rollercoaster of a rally:) great drive by tanak, back in the fight for the title. Nice drive in ps for Ogier.

[ziggysony]

video from 3 days action in WRC Rally Deutschland 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNATb9QzYJs

[cosmin_sb]

also great drive for Kopecky

[Eli]

Nice win by Tanak, and that trio (Ogier-Neuviile-Lappi) very good rally and season. The top 3 are head & shoulders above the rest, while Lappi is in a class of his own (not quite in the top 3 but still far from the others) while all the other drivers seem pale somewhat when you look at their scores after 9 rounds.

[wrc2017]

season to forgetcareer to forget.. really what has he done apart from a couple of events with a specially designed tyre

[dimviii]

Οgier Neuville Tanak each one with 3 wins this year.

[Tarmop]

career to forget.. really what has he done apart from a couple of events with a specially designed tyre

What have you achieved...apart from being an "expert" in everything considering rally?

But he hasn`t delivered yet, especially this season, that is true.

[cosmin_sb]

actual standing and 4 rounds remaining:1 Neuville 172p 2 Ogier 149p 3 Tanak 136p

[Zeakiwi]

Give me one reason why you would pay Mikkelsen to drive for your team?

Norwegians buy quite a few electric cars, hyundai have the ioniq and kona evs , so the marketing department at Hyundai might hope they can leverage some brand awareness/support in Norway by employing a Norwegian wrc driver.

Hopefully Mikkelsen had some technical learning while at vw. Hopefully it is not a Mitsubishi/ Makinen situation and only drivers with a similar driving style could ever get a reasonable speed out of the car.

Paddon said the rally finland i20 wrc front diff was similar to the 2016 diff so it has taken more than a year and half to get back to a 2016 'feeling'. So by that measure it could take till the middle of 2019 for Mikkelsen to be comfortable with the i20?

[focus206]

Amazing rally by Tanak, great job. If his car won't betray him, he can fully get back in the title fight.
Great pace by Ogier, 4th + PS win is actually a very good result, considering his mistake could have costed him to super rally for the 3rd day.
Neuville not on pace with his rivals here, but he didn't make mistakes and got a good 2nd place as reward.
So now 23 points between him and Ogier in the classification. One DNF and Ogier might be the leader again, and people were saying the championship was over...

[stefanvv]

season to forget

Also true. He needs "reset" button.

[KKS]

Sordo's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D515dAVej3Q

[jparker]

that was almost the rule for Ogier at 2017

.... and the same person called him "master" who uses his brain. I'm not judging, just share the facts.

[dimviii]

Congrats to Tanak Jarveoja for a well deserved win.
Tanak really could be a championshipcontenter,but Neuville have shown amazing mature,and he can gets good points even at rallies he is not fast.
Tanak at the moment is the best driver,fast at every surface,but too little rallies to steal the crown.

Citroen a real disaster.They still support Lefebvre to show how fast is their new r5 car.

[dimviii]

.... and the same person called him "master" who uses his brain. I'm not judging, just share the facts.

didnt get what you want to say.

[Eli]

Congrats to Tanak Jarveoja for a well deserved win.
Tanak really could be a championshipcontenter,but Neuville have shown amazing mature,and he can gets good points even at rallies he is not fast.
Tanak at the moment is the best driver,fast at every surface,but too little rallies to steal the crown.

Citroen a real disaster.They still support Lefebvre to show how fast is their new r5 car.

Citroen need a break from the WRC for a couple of years and come back when they got themeselves sorted. Really need a fresh start.

[eib1]

Ott has taken 36 points back from Neuville in two rallies
36 to go in four rallies...

[Tarmop]

Four rallies could equal 120 points. Noone is safe from DNF, Neuville definitely won`t be so up there with his P1 starting position on gravel rallies etc. Tänak actually decreased the difference to Neuville the same amount, he is behind atm with NORF and ADAC. Plus Ogier and Tänak are the chasers...it`s easier to be the chaser...mentally and physically.

[jparker]

Give me one reason why you would pay Mikkelsen to drive for your team?

He just finished 6th, adding some valuable Manu points. That's the power of finishing.

[jparker]

Ogier only lost 2 points to Neuvulle despite yesterdays disaster.

So, who is more lucky? I'm getting confused now.

[dimviii]

Ott has taken 36 points back from Neuville in two rallies
36 to go in four rallies...

26 points are from Finland where Neuville was totally lost.At next rallies this will not going to happen.
so its not easy to gain 36 points,when Neuville can earn points from 2nd 3rd places.
only dnf can change this

[Tarmop]

26 points are from Finland where Neuville was totally lost.At next rallies this will not going to happen.

How do you know that? Turkey is a wild card for everyone. Then there are other gravel events, where he has to be the first one on the road, incl. Spain. He was supposed to be the winner here, pretty much his home event, best starting position...but without the "gifts" from other contenders, he would have managed 5.-6. place...

And then there is that DNF part...


Wide open championship.

[wrc2017]

Norwegians buy quite a few electric cars, hyundai have the ioniq and kona evs , so the marketing department at Hyundai might hope they can leverage some brand awareness/support in Norway by employing a Norwegian wrc driver.

Hopefully Mikkelsen had some technical learning while at vw. Hopefully it is not a Mitsubishi/ Makinen situation and only drivers with a similar driving style could ever get a reasonable speed out of the car.

Paddon said the rally finland i20 wrc front diff was similar to the 2016 diff so it has taken more than a year and half to get back to a 2016 'feeling'. So by that measure it could take till the middle of 2019 for Mikkelsen to be comfortable with the i20?

nah.. don't buy it.

He has been about too long, and does nothing only complain about car not suiting his driving style

[jparker]

didnt get what you want to say.

Edie was trying to convince us last year that what Other was doing is peace of a master who uses his brain. Apparently the same doesn't apply for Neville.

[wrc2017]

He just finished 6th, adding some valuable Manu points. That's the power of finishing.
does think it worth paying him anything for that performance. neither him or the team can be happy with this rally.. or the last one, or the one before that.

[wrc2017]

How do you know that? Turkey is a wild card for everyone. Then there are other gravel events, where he has to be the first one on the road, incl. Spain. He was supposed to be the winner here, pretty much his home event, best starting position...but without the "gifts" from other contenders, he would have managed 5.-6. place...

And then there is that DNF part...


Wide open championship.
I'd nearly put money on Tanak now.

[wrc2017]

Citroen need a break from the WRC for a couple of years and come back when they got themeselves sorted. Really need a fresh start.

it's a valid point, if they don't get a Ogier or Neuville or Tanak.. nothing is going to change, and there would be a high probability they could withdraw.

[wrc2017]

What have you achieved...apart from being an "expert" in everything considering rally?

plenty my friend.

[wrc2017]

He just finished 6th, adding some valuable Manu points. That's the power of finishing.
I'm sure he and the team are delighted.

[lnvs]

b) Lappi is not really "young", or inversely Mikkelsen isn't "old". The difference is 1,5 years.It was wrong to use word young. I just mean his level of experience. IMO Mikkelsen has already peaked concidering his experience. He did some good rallies with superior car when his team mate had championship in the pocket and other had no motivation left for the season. Mikkelsen just has no championship potential in my books.

Sure he could be nice 3rd driver if Lappi or Latvala is leaving. I don't think they are because Rovanperä is not ready yet.

[Ucci]

My five seconds:
- deep respect for Tanak, the guy is at the moment simply the fastest on this planet. Well deserved victory, but still with some bitterness, because he knows now that he is the master, he can win everywhere & anytime, but there are just four events to the end of this season and it is unfortunately not enough. Still, enjoy the champagne.....
- Neuville; not a performance for the world champion 2018, but at the end, who cares.....second place with some luck is a top result, especially because he must now drive tactically. Which sometimes is not quite easy, but to push in the next events over 100% would be even bigger stupidity.
- Lappi; average, mentally important result for him, as he did not have any drama.
- Ogier; huge looser, he was here to win, at the end pure luck gave him P4. Five points from PS are just a wound patch...Constant complaining are caused by the knowledge, that he is no more Nb.1 driver in the world. Simple. The star has a name Ott. And this particular Ott can even take him second place in the world championship standing at the end of 2018. Remember this!
- now I would also mention somebody, who gave a promisse at the beginning of this rally: Greibel. He expressed his wish to be in top10 and faster than WRC2 drivers. And he did it. Well done.
- I did not expect from Ostberg to retire due to drivers error, anyway he was lost during event....
- shame for Sordo, he is the master of Panzerplatte. But the retirement was his fault....
- Mikkelsen, enough of humiliation from other forum members....

All in all nice event, sunday gave us real excitement, should be even more with some rain.

[jparker]

You can keep bashing Mikkelsen, but most of you know he has what it takes to be top contender. It's quite obvious that something is not working for him at the moment, but he had same decent events. Unfortunately tech issues spoiled the delivery of good results.

[wrc2017]

You can keep bashing Mikkelsen, but most of you know he has what it takes to be top contender. It's quite obvious that something is not working for him at the moment, but he had same decent events. Unfortunately tech issues spoiled the delivery of good results.

The fact is he will never be anything more than a 3rd driver.
At the moment there are more seats than there are good drivers.

[KKS]

Citroen need a break from the WRC for a couple of years and come back when they got themeselves sorted. Really need a fresh start.
Just need normal people to team management... not only fresh, just new.
Cuz it's another great weekend for Citroen without Meeke. All Citroen problems was sorted out after Portugal, and 3 wins in a row for team.... actually not.

[AnttiL]

- now I would also mention somebody, who gave a promisse at the beginning of this rally: Greibel. He expressed his wish to be in top10 and faster than WRC2 drivers. And he did it. Well done.

True, but he was driving a more powerful car than WRC2 cars. He was basically alone in his category, with no one to match his speed to. I mean, probably still the best private WRC drive this year, but not much competition in the field...

[latek]

Toyota only 13 points behind Hyundai now in manufactures championship.

[AL14]

You can keep bashing Mikkelsen, but most of you know he has what it takes to be top contender. It's quite obvious that something is not working for him at the moment, but he had same decent events. Unfortunately tech issues spoiled the delivery of good results.

Yeah, let's not be that result oriented. He is a top driver and he has shown to be able to stay among the best.
Unfortunately for him in this sport everything has to be at its place and clearly this is not his case at Hyundai.
I also think that psychologically is not nice that a guy with whom you have shared most of your career, even if he is your friend, is going to realize your dream with the same car of yours.

[Indreq]

IMHO Citroen is not so much clear failure as Skoda and Seat were in their days, Citroen has shown us glimpses of speed. But obviously their driver lineup is weakest at the moment. Lets see if Loeb can show us something and if he can post top times again, then this may convince Ogier to give it a try, as currently it doesnt seem that Ford is just quick enough for him to enable to Ogier fight back Tänak and Neuville.

Edit: due to lack of sleep or sheer stupidity i thought for a moment that Mikkelsen is driving Citroen. Deleted that foolishness...

[mknight]

Think this event has been beaten to death by now.

For rest of season each team has a rally where they stuggled last year and the unknown of turkey.

(Toyota struggled in GB. Hyundai in Spain and MSport in Australia.)

[Tarmop]

But GB should be dryer this year...although this year the climate has been pretty different. Didn`t they also make modifications that would prevent this mud-collecting?
Hyundai promised changes for Spain, will see. If it`s stronger, then they should be fine.
M-Sport had a so-so rally in Australia, with Tänak being up there all the time and titles secured previously in GB.

[mknight]

It was wrong to use word young. I just mean his level of experience. IMO Mikkelsen has already peaked concidering his experience. He did some good rallies with superior car when his team mate had championship in the pocket and other had no motivation left for the season. Mikkelsen just has no championship potential in my books.


Tanak seemingly peaked in 2012 after which he got fired...
Latvala seemed like a guy to fire at end of 2016 and fought for championship in 2017.

Mikkelsen is very much like Burns. Doesn't typically push the 1% extra to win stages but is in top 3 on all stages when he is fast. I am not sure if he has potential to win championship. But he is without question among the top 6 best drivers atm.

[Eli]

IMHO, Turkey could be the decider as the crews will tackle the event for the very first time so it will be a level playing field. Tanak will have a hard time catching the top two, although all he needs is for one of them to DNF. Hopefully Paddon can scrape some of his speed back & Breen will get some consistency, they have 4 weeks to prepare & I really hope that for both their sakes, their fortunes will improve.
As for the three remaining rounds after that it's anyone's guess. Must say that this is one of the most interesting championships I've seen since Marcus Gronholm & Sébastien Loeb fought back in 2007, and to add a little spice, we have a really tight manufacturer title being chased by three teams.

[steve.mandzij]

You can keep bashing Mikkelsen, but most of you know he has what it takes to be top contender. It's quite obvious that something is not working for him at the moment, but he had same decent events. Unfortunately tech issues spoiled the delivery of good results.The reality is Mikkelsen, while quick, has only ever won a single rally on pure pace (Aus 2016), inheriting his other wins. Almost every single time he's been in the lead, he's made mistakes. Regardless of his speed, he cracks under pressure from behind during rallies, every single time (re Germany 2017, and I think Australia 2017 too).

[PLuto]

True, but he was driving a more powerful car than WRC2 cars. He was basically alone in his category, with no one to match his speed to. I mean, probably still the best private WRC drive this year, but not much competition in the field...

His only real target before this rally was to enjoy driving and beat all WRC2 drivers. No other chances to go more up...

[PLuto]

After winning of Kopecky in Deutschland, his chances with Pontus to WRC2 title are equal. I hope that everything will goes according to previous plans and both drivers will fight each other in Turkey.

[ESTR]

With all bad talking about Mikk. He si currently lying 5th, That's better than Latvala, Evans and Breen (I exclude half seasoners). That's not bad at all.

[EstWRC]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z6e_EXeq4Q

wtf...

[dimviii]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z6e_EXeq4Q

wtf...

i had post it from yeserday.Farmer decided to close the road because they disturb? him.

there are onlines videos from JM,rigostyle and DeVillers,all recomended.

[Jarek Z]

Roavnperä outpaces Veiby and other drivers in WRC2. Except for his podium contenders. What´s wrong with the others?

Has Veiby ever been fast or what? Come on! He has the same number of points as the unexperienced Pieniazek! :)

[mknight]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z6e_EXeq4Q

wtf...

Do they mean that small stick holding the red/white plastic?
LOLz

Hypotetically if Boland (coming next) crashed into that old A6 I guess the owner would get nothing on insurance and possibly a lawsuit from organizer and/or Boland?

[mknight]

The reality is Mikkelsen, while quick, has only ever won a single rally on pure pace (Aus 2016), inheriting his other wins. Almost every single time he's been in the lead, he's made mistakes. Regardless of his speed, he cracks under pressure from behind during rallies, every single time (re Germany 2017, and I think Australia 2017 too).

Ogier spun in Austria 2016 giving win to Mikkelsen who did not crack. At this point Mikkelsen had no drive and was arguably under biggest pressure ever. The only time he really cracked from lead is Sweden 2015 afaik.

In Germany 2017 he lost a chance to fight Tanak on saturday morning due to tire choice and then made some mistakes trying to catch up, but still kept same spot. Again without a drive from that rally he was arguably under huge pressure and still got 2nd. Australia 2017 is hard to judge, was quite innocent being wide and it resulted in 2 punctures.

So I don't really see any clear pattern. It's rather when he is under career-threatening pressure he does well.

Interestingly this season he is together with Neuville the only one without rally-ending crash.

[AnttiL]

I know the Mikkelsen discussion is off topic, but here's a list of his good pace with Hyundai.
- Leading after day 1 in Catalunya 2017. First event in the new car
- Leading Australia until his double puncture
- Almost all Top 5 stage times and 3rd overall in Sweden 2018
- Leading Argentina 2018 until losing one place to Ott and then more to a puncture
- Leading Sardegna 2018 until gearbox issues

[Jarek Z]

Panzerplatte :)

http://kajto.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/034-1-1024x683.png

[dimviii]

read the fia press conferance and answers from Ott about the ''hunter'' Ogier.

[mknight]

read the fia press conferance and answers from Ott about the ''hunter'' Ogier.

Two things stand out for me from the press conf:
1. Neuville saying how they had good performance on saturday when they dropped
from 3rd to 5th. Wut?

2. Makinem believes Latvala will be world champion one day.

[rallyfiend]

Two things stand out for me from the press conf:
1. Neuville saying how they had good performance on saturday when they dropped
from 3rd to 5th. Wut?

2. Makinem believes Latvala will be world champion one day.

Tommi must have had more than the usual number of drinks before the press conference if he's saying that...

[stefanvv]

2. Makinem believes Latvala will be world champion one day.

And I believe in extra terrestrials. Surely that's always Latvala's goal, but he must be more realistic now.

[HaCo]

The performance of TN is a bit confusing. I was very surprised by his time this morning, I think he would have gone passed both Latvala and Sordo on both vineyard stages. These stages were also ok for him on Friday compared to Sordo and Latvala.
The other type of stages he was under performing.
Both Sordo and Latvala did exceptional well on Panzerplatte stages, why they got passed him.
I really wonder why the performances of Sordo and TN are so different in the same car, the one is fast on Panzerplatte, the other in the vineyards.
Not to talk about Mikkelsen, but I’m under the impression he has similar issues as TN, and Sordo, but he could not find a good feeling on any tarmac surface with this car.
I fear Spain for many reasons for TN, but first check Turkey, it will be hard for everyone.

[AnttiL]

Neuville had a diff issue, forcing him to use the diff with Corsica settings, which didn't suit this rally as well.

[HaCo]

Neuville had a diff issue, forcing him to use the diff with Corsica settings, which didn't suit this rally as well.
Really, when was this mentioned? Very interesting!

[AnttiL]

Really, when was this mentioned? Very interesting!

At the end of the rally press conference.


Coming here on Friday morning I could tell straight away that the speed was there, but suddenly I got a gearbox issue and I had to change to another setting, which makes things much more complicated for us to push hard and I struggled from then on with the pace. On Saturday it was a little bit better compared to the first day and it worked a little bit better with the changes, so today I felt a bit more comfortable. But we were never really on the pace to match the speed Ott was going, and even Seb. I knew that I was last in the battle for the championship in this race but consistency paid off. Seb made a bit of a mistake. Ott was constantly strong and feeling comfortable so we tried to finish the race, but at the end of the Power Stage I made a mistake and lost important points.

Q:
Talking about that differential change: obviously you had a problem on Friday and you changed the diff, but what wasn’t working?
TN:
I had to use my Corsica diff, which is much more open and I was locking my wheels all the time. I lost efficiency on the workings. Dani [Sordo] was going really fast and I was not able to match his times. But today we worked on the settings and I felt a lot more comfortable, so I could have made some good points on the Power Stage, but I was a little bit too optimistic.

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tanak-it-was-obviously-tough-tough-weekend

[HaCo]

Thanks for sharing!

[Integrale]

First time I went to Rallye Deutschland. I went to Finland last year so I feared being underwhelmed a little by the spectacle in Germany, but luckily my preparation paid off. Looking at the big spectator areas, the organisers seem to think that people like to see wide 90 degree corners, hairpins and jumps. And my impression was that the marshalls were very strict and only wanted you to spectate in those areas. Common sense about safety was lacking sometimes and that was a bit frustrating. On Panzerplatte we didn't want to stand behind a yellow banner (it was on the outside of the braking zone), which resulted in an absurd discussion. Zuruck! This morning we went up, down, up and down the vineyards again to get to a spot I wanted to see, being sent away by different marshalls in different directions. This was 30 minutes before the first car. A bit too much, I think. /rant

I saw brave drives by Sordo, Lappi and Ogier. Neuville seemed fast and neat too, but the times weren't. We were at Evans' spot when he went off on Romerstrasse, it was a bit weird actually. It looked like a small off, turn around and get on with it, but no. This morning I was surprised Evans taking a lot of risks, all over the place where we stood.

We ended up at the spot where Ostberg crashed. They actually damaged a sitting bench on that corner (next to the tree). Funny moment was when him and his co-pilot 'repaired' the bench, put it upright and went to sit on it side by side. Big applause from the spectators there. :)

[steve.mandzij]

And I believe in extra terrestrials. Surely that's always Latvala's goal, but he must be more realistic now.If anything it suggests Toyota is still behind him, and that he might be staying.

[mknight]

If anything it suggests Toyota is still behind him, and that he might be staying.

Might also be "good luck in the future" statement before leaving, impossible to tell.

[Rally Power]

Nice rally! Congrats to Tanak, Jarveoja and Toyota. There’s no doubt that Tanak is on a peak form and did an outstanding job but we should also praise Ogier effort. He was the only one pressing Tanak and in the middle of such a fight mistakes tend to happen; it was Ogier making one as it could have been Tanak. Neuville was lucky to keep his advantage but the championship fight is far from closed. Bring on Turkey!

Congrats also to Skoda and their drivers; Kopecky pace, especially after the puncture, was exceptional and Rovanpera driving evolution on tarmac is fantastic.

[Rally Power]

IMHO Citroen is not so much clear failure as Skoda and Seat were in their days, Citroen has shown us glimpses of speed. But obviously their driver lineup is weakest at the moment. Lets see if Loeb can show us something and if he can post top times again, then this may convince Ogier to give it a try (...)

Amen! I try to be optimistic believing that Citroen can be competitive without one of the top 3 drivers, but realistically that’s almost impossible. Besides their skills behind the wheel Ogier, Neuville or Tanak are also driving forces at any team and that’s what Citroen desperately needs.

[hari]

My final gallery of a very good ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2018 edition: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2018.html

http://www.ir7.at/gg18.jpg

[denkimi]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z6e_EXeq4Q

wtf...
i hope they give him a big fine so he and everyone who might get the same idea learn their lesson.


At the end of the rally press conference.


I had to use my Corsica diff, which is much more open and I was locking my wheels all the time.

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tanak-it-was-obviously-tough-tough-weekend

so hyundai wants to win the world championship, but they don't bring a correct spare diff for their number one pilot?

[AnttiL]

so hyundai wants to win the world championship, but they don't bring a correct spare diff for their number one pilot?

These parts are regulated by the rules, you can only have a certain amount of them during a season.

[dimviii]

These parts are regulated by the rules, you can only have a certain amount of them during a season.

also the spare diffs/gearboxes are sealed before the rally.

[dimviii]

very good video from RallyeChrono at youtube. Watch the spot where they cut a lot with almost top speed.

[eib1]

very good video from RallyeChrono at youtube. Watch the spot where they cut a lot with almost top speed.


direct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjaJe7eeEyQ

@dimviii, please dont go to vacation during rally weekend anymore, we need your links and pics here :)

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/ijHGLvGvDIg
https://youtu.be/wYONm4jIlXY
https://youtu.be/D5Vb-NAE_L8
https://youtu.be/ZWINmv6wruM
https://youtu.be/bdFgSsAKchk
https://youtu.be/s-4JIZ_iTo4
https://youtu.be/HjbwCJTiyg0

[denkimi]

These parts are regulated by the rules, you can only have a certain amount of them during a season.
so they cannot carry a spare differential? i have a hard time believing that.

[flykas]

So do you think the gearbox issues could be related to Latvala's driving style? It is a little bit odd. Anyway really hope for good luck for him

[dimviii]

so they cannot carry a spare differential? i have a hard time believing that.

they have a spare diff,but with ''wrong'' settings and sealed.

[dimviii]

So do you think the gearbox issues could be related to Latvala's driving style? It is a little bit odd. Anyway really hope for good luck for him

no

[stefanvv]

so they cannot carry a spare differential? i have a hard time believing that.

They do carry, who said they don't?

[satnav]

so they cannot carry a spare differential? i have a hard time believing that.

Everything is controlled by this document ; https://www.fia.com/file/69693/download/9275?token=PzL43l_H

Section 64 , sub section 64.5 all relates to the transmission linked events .

[Barreis]

what happened to Sordo?

[Zeakiwi]

what happened to Sordo?

Ran wide on a dirty corner hitting the vineyard posts/ end ties damaging the car.

[Grundo Farb]

The reality is Mikkelsen, while quick, has only ever won a single rally on pure pace (Aus 2016), inheriting his other wins. Almost every single time he's been in the lead, he's made mistakes. Regardless of his speed, he cracks under pressure from behind during rallies, every single time (re Germany 2017, and I think Australia 2017 too).

I agree. He was in the best car by far and while no-one doubts his talent, at the top end of the game there isn't much to choose between the drivers.

What annoys me is how Hyundai threw their weight behind him over and above Sordo and Paddon. Both very loyal to the brand and also very good performers. He has been very slow on the last two rallies.

I really wonder what must be going through their minds as to what they do next year.

[denkimi]

Everything is controlled by this document ; https://www.fia.com/file/69693/download/9275?token=PzL43l_H

Section 64 , sub section 64.5 all relates to the transmission linked events .
And what do they do when both transmissions are broken?

[Tarmop]

Bad luck for the driver and the team then. Probably get to use the third one wih a big time penalty.

[AnttiL]

What annoys me is how Hyundai threw their weight behind him over and above Sordo and Paddon. Both very loyal to the brand and also very good performers. He has been very slow on the last two rallies.

Well, Paddon has had a quite terrible two years now. This year he's the only factory driver yet without a podium.

[Simmi]

very good video from RallyeChrono at youtube. Watch the spot where they cut a lot with almost top speed.

Not sure I'd want to have been stood there. Especially if the car snapped!

[Grutz]

Well, Paddon has had a quite terrible two years now. This year he's the only factory driver yet without a podium.

Agree Paddon had a shocking 2017, but in 2018 he has only competed in 4 rallies to date with 1x 5th position, 2x 4th position and 1x DNF in Portugal when he was actually leading. Still a lot of improvement is required to compete with the TOP 3 drivers, but I do feel he seems to be on the impovement list at the moment.

[EstWRC]

more vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQTjP4wpl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogYDXj_Sses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xg4zf_dL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZWoTXzJ5QA

[SubaruNorway]

Hyundai has realized it takes more than just setup to make the car work on tarmac.
https://parcferme.no/rally/mikkelsen-jeg-er-ikke-keen-pa-a-beholde-denne-kjorestilen/

[denkimi]

Bad luck for the driver and the team then. Probably get to use the third one wih a big time penalty.
Well that's a retarded rule.

[mknight]

Hyundai has realized it takes more than just setup to make the car work on tarmac.
https://parcferme.no/rally/mikkelsen-jeg-er-ikke-keen-pa-a-beholde-denne-kjorestilen/

Question is, why havent they done anything about it until now...

I think they thought that Neuville and Sordo did somewhat ok in Corsica and Spain so why bother changing too much.
Now they probably realized 2 things:
- there is little point in having Mikkelsen drive as last WRC, even a tiny bit better speed in Germany would let him get 4th instead of 6th

- even Sordo and Neuville are starting to have issues now, the results from the easy SS11/15 are more than telling with all 3 Hyundais as last cars (Østberg stalled on second run)

[gianni123]

My video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDz2o1vYtSg

[SubaruNorway]

Well that's a retarded rule.

I don't think we have seen anyone get a penalty for it yet?
Unlike F1 where drivers have 20 grid places penalty a couple of times a year at worst.

[pantealex]

They can fix those between rallies, those just have to remain in same spec.
2 available for rally, that´s why there is sealing before each rally.

[AnttiL]

It's the same with engines. If the engine breaks, you cannot change it. And transmission changes were regulated already in the early 90's, you could only change the gearbox on an overnight service (instead of the 10-20 other services during the day).

[bunnings]

http://i68.tinypic.com/aqqmr.jpg (https://youtu.be/NzyaydZUW1I)

Best of WRC Rally Germany 2018 - @BunningsVideo: https://youtu.be/NzyaydZUW1I

Hope you enjoy it!!

[SubaruNorway]

If you haven't watched Sunday's review yet prepare to laugh when you hear the sound effect on Sordo's crash, It's like watching a scene from Dukes Of Hazzard or something :rotflmao:

[HaCo]

How much time did TN loose when he had to reverse in the Power Stage? Any footage?

[eib1]

just watched it wrc+ onboard, maybe 4 max 5 sec

[Päss1928]

How much time did TN loose when he had to reverse in the Power Stage? Any footage?

4-5s. There was footage but I forgot where I saw it. Probably from official wrc channels.

[HaCo]

Thanks guys!

[EstWRC]

I would say he was very lucky there. Almost would have hit a tree and could have damaged the radiator

[denkimi]

https://youtu.be/oHVsq6Fv3YM

[GravelBen]

Agree Paddon had a shocking 2017, but in 2018 he has only competed in 4 rallies to date with 1x 5th position, 2x 4th position and 1x DNF in Portugal when he was actually leading.

Yes, its pretty ridiculous for people to say he's had a terrible 2018 when he has hardly been in the car. And don't forget that about half of his bad results in 2017 were from mechanical problems not driver.

I don't think Hyundai's treatment of Paddon and Sordo contracts will help them attracting other drivers if they are looking - drivers have seen that a 'full season contract' with Hyundai might mean you only get to drive half the season if they find someone else they want.

[mknight]

Note that they both had 2 rallies in 2017 in same car (and 1 when all 3 were there). Mikkelsen was fastest in all cases except Spain on tarmac part.

Anyway I agree the threatment was not very nice, but not unseen before in WRC. Also note that this whole thing was created by the VW pullout that suddenly left 3 of the top 6 drivers without a seat.

[jparker]

They can fix those between rallies, those just have to remain in same spec.
2 available for rally, that´s why there is sealing before each rally.

In this case why did they left the diff with Corsica settings?

[ESTR]

Yes, its pretty ridiculous for people to say he's had a terrible 2018 when he has hardly been in the car. And don't forget that about half of his bad results in 2017 were from mechanical problems not driver.

I don't think Hyundai's treatment of Paddon and Sordo contracts will help them attracting other drivers if they are looking - drivers have seen that a 'full season contract' with Hyundai might mean you only get to drive half the season if they find someone else they want.

Every team have their issues, no one is perfect. Hyundai have these driver rotating thing, Toyota is unreliable at the moment, M-Sport does everything only just for frenchie, others are there just to fill the spots, Citroen have bad reputation. So where will everyone go if all will look at these problems.

[pantealex]

In this case why did they left the diff with Corsica settings?

"remain in same spec"
Rallies are paired, you have to use same setup (diffs, gear-ratio etc.)

[AnttiL]

Diff settings are not a matter of turning a knob from "Corsica" to "Deutschland" or even from "tight" to "loose" or something. It requires changing parts, and that is not allowed.

[jparker]

Diff settings are not a matter of turning a knob from "Corsica" to "Deutschland" or even from "tight" to "loose" or something. It requires changing parts, and that is not allowed.

Ok, that's clear now, but why TN was more competitive the following day? Got used to the Corsica diff, or something else? Did they repaired the broken one (is it allowed?).Sorry, but all these rules are confusing.

[Tarmop]

Didn`t they replace the gearbox on Friday, and so had to also change the diffs because of ratios, but put the gearbox back on Saturday with suitable diff. ratios once again.

[mas-racing]

https://s33.postimg.cc/thc7tuj1b/sf2_adac_2018.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NchhNSowiSo&feature=youtu.be)

[EstWRC]

zeroundersteer video https://youtu.be/NzD6JfSVdEs

[GRID.Media]

Highlight Video from all days, Enjoy it! >>> https://youtu.be/soGmTU5gNuk

[dimviii]

Thierry, a second place behind Ott Tanak, 19 points, two better than Ogier, you're doing pretty well?

"Indeed, we had a difficult weekend, we struggled to find the right pace for a variety of reasons, we had a differential problem before Friday, and by the time the team checked it, we had to to give the one of Corsica that did not suit, I got a little misguided in my settings, maybe I also paid a little bit for my position of leader of the championship.I could not take all the risks, too cut the ropes But in the end, the result is quite satisfactory. "

At one point you ended up fifth. But you did not get angry, you did not force or commit any fault to go up.

"It's what's called managing a championship, I can not afford to be abandoned, so I stayed calm, I kept a smart approach, which was not the case with Sébastien. Ogier, frustrated at being behind his former team-mate Tanak, took big risks in Panzerplatte and hit a 250-kg rock in a rope, which resulted in his puncture, ultimately losing more than he could have won. "

How do you explain that suddenly you were able to sign the scratch Sunday morning?

"We did a good job on Saturday night, I put the same rear shock settings as Dani Sordo, softened and gave more confidence and traction when braking in the dirt."

You were hoping to score more than one point in the Power Stage?

"Yes, but I was too optimistic and I missed a crossroad at the start of the stage, I had to go into reverse, I lost a handful of seconds and some important units."

Next step, Turkey, a new rally where you will be handicapped by your position of opener ...

"That may be the case until the end of the year, we will try to manage that at best.There will be a lot of sweeping apparently, but on the other hand, it looks very brittle. which is pretty good for the Hyundai. "

23 points ahead, it starts counting.

"It's better to have them in advance, but we have seen this weekend as it can change quickly.If I give in Turkey and Ogier wins, I'll be 2nd in the championship. It will be necessary to continue to roll with his head until Australia to be champion.

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/wrc/thierry-neuville-j-ai-mieux-gere-qu-ogier-5b79ad0e55324d3f140a4d82

[HaCo]

Not sure if this was mentioned already, apparantly Tanak ran with 30/70 middle diff mapping. To be honest I find it hard to believe, such a big difference, car must be hard to control. What are the technical guys here on the forum thinking about this?
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/d/2018/08/22/geheimnis-gelueftet-darum-war-taenak-so-schnell/

[dimviii]

Not sure if this was mentioned already, apparantly Tanak ran with 30/70 middle diff mapping. To be honest I find it hard to believe, such a big difference, car must be hard to control. What are the technical guys here on the forum thinking about this?
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/d/2018/08/22/geheimnis-gelueftet-darum-war-taenak-so-schnell/

mapping cant be 30/70 or 50/50.
electronic center diffs distribute the power/torque continiously depenting at which point of corner is the car
the 50/50 or 30/70 distribution is from gears,and not mapping
that can change only with different gears
Of course from mapping you can transform the behaviour of the car,but that is something different
probably the author something didnt understand or lost in translation

[HaCo]

The term used is Kraftverteilung, literally translated force distribution.

[EstWRC]

I tried to find the original article on Motorsport aktuell but no luck

[Oppositelock]

It looks like the author(s) mixed it up a little bit.

In "Motorsport aktuell" and in "Rallye Magazin" (quoting Motorsport aktuell) it says Tänak had "70 Prozent Kraft auf der Hinterachse" meaning "70 per cent of power on the rear axle" with reference to the centre diff (without going into detail whether electronically or mechanically achieved).

Any engineer here who can shed some light on how it really works in a 2017 car?

[NickRally]

As dimviii pointed, the basic torque split is determined by the gearing and this basic torque split is only applicable when the hydraulic (or another) lock is not applied. Once lock is applied, torque can flow in different proportion, being determined by the amount of diff lock and grip/resistence at each axle.
But to return to the original question, I can believe that Tanak used 30/70 mechanical split on this tarmac rally, providing more of a "classic" race car handling.

[EstWRC]

thanks for the answers, very interesting.

[dimviii]

But to return to the original question, I can believe that Tanak used 30/70 mechanical split on this tarmac rally, providing more of a "classic" race car handling.

Nick this is a lot complex to change,needs new homologated gears,and its something that will change drastically the whle car behaviour.Do we know if toyota has homologated new center diff gears?
If not,Tanak just used a more rear based maps at center diff.

[NickRally]

Sorry dimviii, I should have clarified that when saying I can believe he used the 30/70 split, I was referring to the actual race car physics, but you are a lot more knowledgeable about the homologation and logistical matters, that could have prevented runninf it.

[EstWRC]

In Rally Germany the increased driveability of the engine has a strong influence on the performance, the team and the drivers were very happy with the upgrades. Tanak chose a different torque split to the other drivers.

In tarmac configuration the drivers have a choice in the two homologation torque splits, with 50% or 72% to the rear, as selected by driver preference and expected road conditions, Ott selecting the 72% option.


https://rallysportmag.com/wrc-preview-rally-turkey/

[EstWRC]

Neuville didnt cut the corner at all this year where he lost the wheel last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBf_YLNUFDk

[SubaruNorway]

Neuville didnt cut the corner at all this year where he lost the wheel last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBf_YLNUFDk

The upright broke, i don't think we have seen that happen once this year? Hyundai retired 5-6 times with it last year