WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2018

[mknight]

When he was crawling through the stages last season in the c3 in Sardinia, he did a tv interview where he said he could walk into the i20 and be fast straight away as that car was more like the Polo (compared to the c3 which was totally different to drive). I think he's just having a bad year and isn't as fast or competitive as many thought he was. When he was over looked by Makinen it was made out like he was a nailed on future champion by some. He needs to step up because Neuville is winning this championship in the same car and Sordo is having a good season too.

(note that this was after he tested the I20 on gravel)

Also he walked into the I20 and immediately led after first gravel day of Spain, so he told the truth.

[EstWRC]

when he was crawling through the stages last season in the c3 in sardinia, he did a tv interview where he said he could walk into the i20 and be fast straight away as that car was more like the polo (compared to the c3 which was totally different to drive). I think he's just having a bad year and isn't as fast or competitive as many thought he was. When he was over looked by makinen it was made out like he was a nailed on future champion by some. He needs to step up because neuville is winning this championship in the same car and sordo is having a good season too.

nailed it!

[KKS]

Reply from WRC+ Support:

' We have already recognized the problem and at the moment we are working hard to solve it as soon as possible.
We apologize for any inconvenience and would like to ask you to retry later. Thank you ! '
Very fast. Only 20 days left when they recognized something

[tomhlord]

Mikkelsen is nowhere...

I wonder what the contract exit clauses are?

[AnttiL]

(note that this was after he tested the I20 on gravel)

Also he walked into the I20 and immediately led after first gravel day of Spain, so he told the truth.

And this year the pace has been there on gravel, at least at times

[BigWorm]

Hyundai have been in WRC for many years now, they have the biggest budget together with Toyota and yet the car is this bad on tarmac. Im starting to think the guys on the top are doing a pretty shitty job.

Let's see if they find some speed after service, but it's indeed frustrating to see that the problems they've had for a while aren't fixed.

[mknight]

Let's see if they find some speed after service, but it's indeed frustrating to see that the problems they've had for a while aren't fixed.

It looks like some things sit quite hard at Hyundai.
Paddon supposedly got the dif he wanted first in Finland this year. 1,5 year after the car introduction. (and Paddon has been driving also the previous I20 and won Argentina with it)

[BigWorm]

It looks like some things sit quite hard at Hyundai.
Paddon supposedly got the dif he wanted first in Finland this year. 1,5 year after the car introduction. (and Paddon has been driving also the previous I20 and won Argentina with it)

The 2016 i20 was quite good, second best to the Polo on most of the events including tarmac events such as Germany and Spain. For those two events things have gone in the wrong direction.

[Eric]

I wonder what the contract exit clauses are?

At the moment I wouldnt be surprised if Mikkelsen wants to go back to citroen. He clearly likes the C3 better on tarmac. And the car is going in the right direction on gravel. I cant see Hyundai being very happy with him either. Maybe they start to realise this wasnt a perfect match.

[mknight]

Whom would they replace him with? Paddon has comparable (slightly worse) results on gravel this year and he has never shown any good speed on tarmac.
Sordo said he doesn't want to do full season again.

Only clearly better option could be Lappi, who is still quite untested and unlikely to want to change so early. Latvala as mentioned is doing even worse than Mikkelsen this year and was also worse in 2016 when they were in same car.

[Rally Power]

With Germany and Spain on tarmac and fighting for both championships I'd expect them to be testing on tarmac like hell before Germany. Instead all drivers got like 1 day and a bit of test and as Nandan said they only worked a bit on setup.
I get they can "sacrifice" Finland cause it's one rally ( a bit like Toyota "sacrifices" Mexico) but 3 tarmac rallies that's too much.

Aren’t you being a bit too harsh on Hyundai? Neuville is fighting for the win (at least for P2 as Tanak seems unreachable) and Sordo for P4. Only Mikkelsen is out of the pace, but that’s hardly something new like most already mentioned. Besides they are leading both manus and drivers series, thank Gods not in a dominant way like we were used in VW days.

Btw, what happened to Lefebvre on SS3?

[Eric]

Whom would they replace him with? Paddon has comparable (slightly worse) results on gravel this year and he has never shown any good speed on tarmac.
Sordo said he doesn't want to do full season again.

Only clearly better option could be Lappi, who is still quite untested and unlikely to want to change so early. Latvala as mentioned is doing even worse than Mikkelsen this year and was also worse in 2016 when they were in same car.

Thats true.. Lets hope he and the car becomes better friends the last part of the season. Would be fun to see him and Neuville at the top next. I think we would see a pissed off Neuville if that happens :D

[mknight]

Aren’t you being a bit too harsh on Hyundai? Neuville is fighting for the win (at least for P2 as Tanak seems unreachable) and Sordo for P4. Only Mikkelsen is out of the pace, but that’s hardly something new like most already mentioned. Besides they are leading both manus and drivers series, thank Gods not in a dominant way like we were used in VW days.


Maybe, as mentioned elsewhere it's good that they are not dominant.
However, this is their home rally where both Neuville and Sordo have won before and even last year they were very fast. It's also a bit about the tarmac trend they have. Since Spain last year they haven't been very fast on any tarmac event (Neuville and Sordo).

[Eric]

Aren’t you being a bit too harsh on Hyundai? Neuville is fighting for the win (at least for P2 as Tanak seems unreachable) and Sordo for P4. Only Mikkelsen is out of the pace, but that’s hardly something new like most already mentioned. Besides they are leading both manus and drivers series, thank Gods not in a dominant way like we were used in VW days.

Btw, what happened to Lefebvre on SS3?

There is no doubt the Hyundai is off pace on tarmac. If you look at the trouble they had in Spain last year and Corsica this year, nothing has changed. Thats not good enough. Simple as that.

[Marcco]

I would not be that fast to judge Hyundai, Neuville is still 3rd, Sordo 5th (more or less where you can expect him) and Mikklesen clearly has some issues with setup. And they are still 1st in manufacturers championship.

[Rally Power]

There is no doubt the Hyundai is off pace on tarmac. If you look at the trouble they had in Spain last year and Corsica this year, nothing has changed. Thats not good enough. Simple as that.

Sorry, isn't Germany a tarmac event? Why keep looking at past events when there's one running and both Neuville and Sordo are doing well in it?

[mknight]

...there's one running and both Neuville and Sordo are doing well in it?

Last year at this point Hyundai won 2 out of 5 normal stages with 1 win for Neuville and 1 for Sordo.
They are not doing very bad this year atm, but not very good either.

[mknight]

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[Eric]

Sorry, isn't Germany a tarmac event? Why keep looking at past events when there's one running and both Neuville and Sordo are doing well in it?

I wouldnt say they are doing "well". Sordo is a tarmac specialist, Neuville is driving on his home event. Maybe you are impressed, im not. Especially when you know that their testing area is tarmac. They should be no.1 on tarmac. At the moment they are bottom two.

[EstWRC]

Neuville 6 secs slower in spl1 than in the morning

[Rallyper]

Have you even following this season?

Ogier, Neuville and Tänak are in another league. If they would start from the back, they would still beat everyone else, only with lesser gaps.

Neuville even said that there could be a little cleaning after him, he felt he was sliding a lot on a dusty asphalt.

Finland also? Or you mean only tarmac? So cutting doesn´t affect the later cars?

[Rally Power]

I wouldnt say they are doing "well". Sordo is a tarmac specialist, Neuville is driving on his home event. Maybe you are impressed, im not. Especially when you know that their testing area is tarmac. They should be no.1 on tarmac. At the moment they are bottom two.

You can bet I’m impressed with Sordo; he’s on is 13th or 14th WRC season and he can still be close to the top. Also impressed with Neuville; he’s right behind Ogier, his main opponent at the series, and he’s not taking unnecessary risks. But most of all I’m impressed with the fans wanting Hyundai to dominate the series instead of having a leveled field…

[EstWRC]

havent seen Tänak sweating like this for a long time!

[mknight]

But most of all I’m impressed with the fans wanting Hyundai to dominate the series instead of having a leveled field…

It's not like Hyundai dominated a few weeks ago in Finland did they? Toyota did.. and it was their home rally. This is home rally for Hyundai.

[EstWRC]

man that one corner before the end is worse than some corners on gravel rally!

[Ucci]

And Mikkelsen loosing again....

[EstWRC]

Great time from Evans!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier just 0.3s off Tanak... the Fiesta's speed looks pretty good now.

Evans also showing it even with old aero.

[Eric]

You can bet I’m impressed with Sordo; he’s on is 13th or 14th WRC season and he can still be close to the top. Also impressed with Neuville; he’s right behind Ogier, his main opponent at the series, and he’s not taking unnecessary risks. But most of all I’m impressed with the fans wanting Hyundai to dominate the series instead of having a leveled field…

Dominate? Did you see Finland? Def the slowest car.
This is their home event and tarmac is the surface they are testing on. Look at Toyota in Finland. This is how the Hyundai should be in Germany.
They have been struggling on tarmac and wanting to make the car better. Still they are not where they should be.

[HaCo]

Suninen half a spin in front of us on SS Stein und Wein

[EstWRC]

Ogier just 0.3s off Tanak... the Fiesta's speed looks pretty good now.

Evans also showing it even with old aero.

The Fiesta has always been a great car on tarmac...last year Ogier won Monte and was second in Corsica, Tänak won Germany and in spain Ogier and Tänak were 2nd and 3rd. This year Ogier has won Monte and Corsica.

[Tarmop]

Ummm, Paddon was 4th in Finland...Best Ford 5th. Not the slowest car fs.

[mknight]

The Fiesta has always been a great car on tarmac...last year Ogier won Monte and was second in Corsica, Tänak won Germany and in spain Ogier and Tänak were 2nd and 3rd. This year Ogier has won Monte and Corsica.

Yes, but Evans didn't do very well in Corsica.

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala is dreadful this rally. Plain admitting he's not quick enough.

[mknight]

Suninen had very good splits for first half. Better than Sordo and Lappi.

[Eric]

Ummm, Paddon was 4th in Finland...Best Ford 5th. Not the slowest car fs.

Paddons starting position helped him a lot there.

[er88]

Last year at this point Hyundai won 2 out of 5 normal stages with 1 win for Neuville and 1 for Sordo.
They are not doing very bad this year atm, but not very good either.Neuville has a 20 odd point advantage in the championship to think about. He has to produce a thinking man's drive - he can't do what Ott is doing and drive flat out to win every remaining event. Ogier has to beat Neuville in every remaining event yet there's only 7seconds between Thierry and Seb. Neuville isn't off the pace, he's where he needs to be.

As for Sordo, he just isn't on the level of the top 3 drivers (even on tarmac anymore imo), but is still fighting for 4th. Yes the Hyundai isn't perfect on tarmac but it's almost like some people are trying to convince themselves that the i20 is bad here.

[Tarmop]

Paddons starting position helped him a lot there.

Well, the lack of kilometres didn`t...

BUT
At the moment we have three manuf. in Top 3. They are followed a bit further down again by 4 manuf. fighting in 3 seconds. It`s not only about the cars, mostly i`d say drivers. Probably without Tänak we`d be talking also about the lack of pace from Toyota cars.

[mknight]

Neuville has a 20 odd point advantage in the championship to think about. He has to produce a thinking man's drive - he can't do what Ott is doing and drive flat out to win every remaining event. Ogier has to beat Neuville in every remaining event yet there's only 7seconds between Thierry and Seb. Neuville isn't off the pace, he's where he needs to be.

As for Sordo, he just isn't on the level of the top 3 drivers (even on tarmac anymore imo), but is still fighting for 4th. Yes the Hyundai isn't perfect on tarmac but it's almost like some people are trying to convince themselves that the i20 is bad here.

Sure Neuville doesn't need to risk. But before rally he said he expects to fight for win.

Sordo won 5 stages here last year and it's with typically one of his 2 best rallies (with Spain). Now he is behind Evans and Lappi.

Mikkelsen was mentioned more than enough, 2nd last year in C3. Fighting with Ogier for win in VW in 2016 (there was just the review on alllive between stages).

So either all 3 suddenly got worse in germany, or maybe the car performance also has a bit to say ;)

[Tarmop]

Well, when one loses 7.7 seconds to the first one and 5.4 to his teammate in a 10km stage, mostly made for driving flat out, then i´d say it`s quite hard to blame the car...unless it`s broken.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Fiesta has always been a great car on tarmac...last year Ogier won Monte and was second in Corsica, Tänak won Germany and in spain Ogier and Tänak were 2nd and 3rd. This year Ogier has won Monte and Corsica.

That was last year, things dont stay the same. Some others cars also progressed and the Toyota especially.

M-Sport clearly needed to up their game, hence the new aero.

[EstWRC]

lol, i just said to you that Ogier won in Monte and Corsica this year and is second atm

[mknight]

Well, when one loses 7.7 seconds to the first one and 5.4 to his teammate in a 10km stage, mostly made for driving flat out, then i´d say it`s quite hard to blame the car...unless it`s broken.

Last year on exactly same stage in the dry (first run) it was Hyundai 1+2 and Mikkelsen in C3 4th.
This year it's Hyundai 3+4/5 and Mikkelsen 10th.

Surely Mikkelsen drives the same car slower than his teammates, that's not the argument. Argument is that Hyundai is slower here than last year compared to other cars. Which is surprising.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lol, i just said to you that Ogier won in Monte and Corsica this year and is second atm

So is Tanak now a better tarmac driver to be beating him here ?

[EstWRC]

Ott got 200km/h on the straight

[N.O.T]

the driving is over now... only mistakes will change things.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If Tanak wins it will be pleasing to Neuville.

Better he finishes 3rd to Ogier in 2nd... only a 3 pts drop not 7 pts (like 1st - 2nd)

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen seems found some speed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott got 200km/h on the straight

Strongest engine according to Julian Porter.

[EstWRC]

Latvala also with much better speed in the afternoon

[mknight]

Strongest engine according to Julian Porter.

In the morning on SS2 long straight before finish all 4 cars had basically same top speed (186).
(doesn't mean Toyota can't have strongest engine)

[latek]

Looks like Tanak is untouchable and Neuville is happy with 3rd. Pretty much everything solved.

[KKS]

Ott got 200km/h on the straight
where you saw that? 187 it's maximum for several cars

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In the morning on SS2 long straight before finish all 4 cars had basically same top speed (186).
(doesn't mean Toyota can't have strongest engine)

What were they all doing where Tanak was at 200 kph ?

[EstWRC]

where you saw that? 187 it's maximum for several cars

you are talkking about different stage...im talking about SS3 and i saw it on live maps

[Oliverk]

you are talkking about different stage...im talking about SS3 and i saw it on live maps

On live, all cars 187 max.

[AnttiL]

The top speed is more about the gear ratios than engine power.

[mknight]

What were they all doing where Tanak was at 200 kph ?

Didn't saw that spot, the one I mean is the long straight about the time they switch to each car before end of SS2/SS5. All cars that were shown had exactly the same speed. Unlikely on many similar places earlier this year.

[EstWRC]

On live, all cars 187 max.

yes, that was on SS2/SS5 this time, like i said, im talking about SS3/SS6


geeeezzzz

[stefanvv]

you are talkking about different stage...im talking about SS3 and i saw it on live maps

Live maps are not the best measure in terms of speed. They rely on GPS data, not in-car telemetry.

[mknight]

Suninen great splits gain, lets see if he keeps it on the road.

[EstWRC]

Live maps are not the best measure in terms of speed. They rely on GPS data, not in-car telemetry.

so you are still saying that the 187km/h that you all guys saw on a different stage is correct then?


LOL

[mknight]

The display with revs/gears/brake/throttle is in-car telemetry and should give good results as long as all wheels are on the surface and not spinning (typical on tarmac). All the other displays are based on GPS which won't give good results under many conditions.

[Eric]

Mikkelsen suddenly faster than Neuville trying a new driving style

[Tauri_J]

Mikkelsen suddenly faster than Neuville trying a new driving style

since ss1 he's driving with "new style"

[EstWRC]

everybody seems to be going better than in the morning against the TOP3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

the driving is over now... only mistakes will change things.

With two more days still to go and very different roads like some country lanes and the infamous Panzerplatte ... plus the unpredictable weather. No.

[stefanvv]

so you are still saying that the 187km/h that you all guys saw on a different stage is correct then?


LOL

I didn't saw 187km/h anywhere. What I did saw was some hitting the limiter already below 180km/h. Anyway GPS has latency and inaccuracy in coordinates which should be considered.

[Tauri_J]

everybody seems to be going better than in the morning against the TOP3

of course, because conditions have evened out

[N.O.T]

With two more days still to go and very different roads like some country lanes and the infamous Panzerplatte ... plus the unpredictable weather. No.

you are the reason old people should not get internet access...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

you are the reason old people should not get internet access...

You are the reason the internet is a sewer.

[dimviii]

nice time from Solans with the new generation pirellis.Pitty that he checked 4 min later and dropped to 7th at general classification.
Without that he would be just 4,5 sec behind Kopecky .

[racerx1979]

Wow, are they really wasting our time with a bunch of kids playing a sh!tty simulator on All live??

[eib1]

Well, the lack of kilometres didn`t...

BUT
At the moment we have three manuf. in Top 3. They are followed a bit further down again by 4 manuf. fighting in 3 seconds. It`s not only about the cars, mostly i`d say drivers. Probably without Tänak we`d be talking also about the lack of pace from Toyota cars.

Agree, no need to talk about domination yet. All 4 manu-s are fast, it`s all about drivers and their skills to setup a car. Without Tänak Toyota`s results would be pretty poor. Ott has the best mechanical/technical skills imo, he knows what has to be done to be fast and he is clearly showing it this year. If he had gone to Citroen or Hyundai, the result have been pretty much the same. The guy is genius, nothing more

[flykas]

I wouldn't call that a simulator.

[dimviii]

Neuville has a 20 odd point advantage in the championship to think about. He has to produce a thinking man's drive - he can't do what Ott is doing and drive flat out to win every remaining event. Ogier has to beat Neuville in every remaining event yet there's only 7seconds between Thierry and Seb. Neuville isn't off the pace, he's where he needs to be.

As for Sordo, he just isn't on the level of the top 3 drivers (even on tarmac anymore imo), but is still fighting for 4th. Yes the Hyundai isn't perfect on tarmac but it's almost like some people are trying to convince themselves that the i20 is bad here.
very well said.

[Sulland]

Mikkelsen suddenly faster than Neuville trying a new driving style


since ss1 he's driving with "new style"

In his own words;

"The style reminds me of when I did this rally with Thierry before Christmas - the Monza Rally - when I was his passenger. I'm trying this new style with no trail braking at all."

[Tauri_J]

Wow, are they really wasting our time with a bunch of kids playing a sh!tty simulator on All live??

lol they are god awful too

[Tauri_J]

"WRC7 has stopped working" lmfao

[HaCo]

What happened to Kreim on SS2?

Kreim doing exceptional well in his home rally, pitty for the puncture he had on ss2.

[HaCo]

TN with right front damage, light is missing

[dimviii]

Νeuville didnt commented at stage end?

[racerx1979]

lol they are god awful too

And yes, they should at least use a real simulator.. what a joke.

[HaCo]

Seb throwing the car a lot... nice to watch!

[HaCo]

Middle part of Weiskirchen much nicer to spectate!

[EstWRC]

nice, calm day for Tänak! the stages of next days should suit the car even better.

[spiderem]

evans to push hard and get in front of Neuville for Seb...

[HaCo]

Greensmith limping through the stage...

[rallyfiend]

Greensmith limping through the stage...

That's better than his hospitalised co-driver can do...

[dimviii]

Greensmith limping through the stage...
he mentioned broken driveshaft at previous stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

evans to push hard and get in front of Neuville for Seb...

Evans has beaten Neuville on the last two stages. Just 10s gap now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Makinen confirming the Toyota engine joker has made a difference.. more driveable and torquey. Said it will also be even better in Spanish tarmac.

Cooling problem also addressed so should be ok for Turkey.

[Mirek]

In his own words;

"The style reminds me of when I did this rally with Thierry before Christmas - the Monza Rally - when I was his passenger. I'm trying this new style with no trail braking at all."

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.

[SubaruNorway]

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no

[mknight]

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.
I googled it. Seem that it means braking into the first part of the turn. Which is a bit strange since Citroen said last year he wasnt left-foot braking. (maybe they meant "tapping" the brakes).
Anyway he said he stopped doing it in SS6 and suddenly he was fastest Hyundai with similar time in next stage too.

Doesn't change that Hyundai is getting beaten by both Toyota and MSPORT on their home rally.

[Sulland]

1624

https://driver61.com/uni/trail-braking/

As far as I read it is what we call left foot braking to balance the car.
In a racecar it used to je called tiptoe when using right foot if you need to clutch at the same time.

[Mirek]

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no


1624

Thanks, I thought it's this but I was not sure ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier at end of last stage saying he's happy with the new aero and the car chassis, so seeming to indicate he's maybe not so happy with the power.
Is there an engine upgrade coming ?

[racerx1979]

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no

Neuville driving style similar to Scandinavian style where as Andreas is smoother similar to Seb O and Seb L.

[Mirek]

Ogier at end of last stage saying he's happy with the new aero and the car chassis, so seeming to indicate he's maybe not so happy with the power.
Is there an engine upgrade coming ?

Ogier's car engineer (who is Czech by the way) told to mediasport/ewrc crew yesterday that according to him the aero changes are not expected to be felt that much by the driver. He was anyway confident that they are strongly prepared. He also said that except the aero the car of Evans is identical and even the settings is nearly same.

[dimviii]

Thanks, I thought it's this but I was not sure ;)

as SubaruNorway mentioned,all this requires different diff settings.
generally if you do trail braking you cant use tight settings at front diff,because tight settings tends to understeer a lot without pressing the gas pedal.If you have understeer its difficult to find the corners apex/loosing the ideal line
Tight settings will help with better traction,but will understeer ie at slippy corners without pressing the gas pedal(imagine now corners at ashpalt with gravel dirt=undrivable/dangerous for crashing)
You have to find the sweet spot.Something is not easy when between all these you have to change settings at center electronic diff/ rear diff,suspension etc.

[Mirek]

In R5 Veiby seems to be completely lost after his crashing spree and also Lefebvre is slower than I expected.

[Mirek]

as SubaruNorway mentioned,all this requires different diff settings.
generally if you do trail braking you cant use tight settings at front diff,because tight settings tends to understeer a lot without pressing the gas pedal.If you have understeer its difficult to find the corners apex/loosing the ideal line
Tight settings will help with better traction,but will understeer ie at slippy corners without pressing the gas pedal(imagine now corners at ashpalt with gravel dirt=undrivable/dangerous for crashing)
You have to find the sweet spot.Something is not easy when between all these you have to change settings at center electronic diff/ rear diff,suspension etc.

Thanks, I know this :) I was just not sure if I properly understand the English term ;)

[mknight]

Ogier's car engineer (who is Czech by the way) told to mediasport/ewrc crew yesterday that according to him the aero changes are not expected to be felt that much by the driver. He was anyway confident that they are strongly prepared.
In Finland it might have been the change of dampers almost without testing that was as much or more important than aero.

[Mirek]

In Finland it might have been the change of dampers almost without testing that was as much or more important than aero.

Exactly my thinking. I can only judge from Škoda swapping from Reiger to Sachs between S2000 and R5 and I know that it was quite painful at the beginning.

[stefanvv]

Škoda swapping from Reiger to Sachs between S2000 and R5 and I know that it was quite painful at the beginning.

VW were struggling with them as well to work proper I think.

[Mirek]

VW were struggling with them as well to work proper I think.

I don't mean that. I meant that they were very different in characteristics and in philosophy and required a complex change of settings and geometry.

[Mirek]

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?

[mknight]

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?

They said already in Finland that the change is only for gravel. So same as before.

[dimviii]

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?
trying to find a photo from previous rally,nobody cared to took one.

[Rallyper]

I should imagine that left foot breaking trough the corners doesn´t need tight front diff setting. You can have a bit looser and adjust just by breaking harder or looser wtih left foot.

Is that what you meant, Dimviii?
(Driving old Saabs with no slipdifferential, you had to do hard left foot breaking sometimes...) (And I´m talking abot two stroke Saabs... in the 70´s) :) :)

[hari]

Some images from today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2018.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/13.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2018/deutschland2/15.jpg

[skarderud]

Mads Østberg had reduced power in his car after "an human error at service", says Budar in an intervju:
https://parcferme.no/rally/mikkelsen-det-tar-tid-a-ga-vekk-fra-en-10-ar-gammel-kjorestil/

Mikkelsen struggle to change his style of driving, but it's his only option to get his car to not understeer it's also says.

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[dimviii]

I should imagine that left foot breaking trough the corners doesn´t need tight front diff setting. You can have a bit looser and adjust just by breaking harder or looser wtih left foot.

Is that what you meant, Dimviii?
(Driving old Saabs with no slipdifferential, you had to do hard left foot breaking sometimes...) (And I´m talking abot two stroke Saabs... in the 70´s) :) :)

when you have a tight front diff tends to understeer when you hesitate at gas pedal at entry/mid corner but gives better traction vs a not so tight diff.
the tight diff tends to understeer a lot at greasy slippery ashpalt when a less tight diff is more driveable,but with less traction at exit of corner
antilag system plays a big role at that too.
All them you have to find the sweet spot that will allow you to push at every rally.Its not an easy job.
About two stroke Saabs i dont know,i am old,but not so much.lol

[Munkvy]

What happened to Rovanperä? He started well on the SSS, then a bit average?

[Mintexmemory]

Love Hari's pics - especially the hairpin above Klusserath, one of my favourite spectating points!

[KKS]

yes, that was on SS2/SS5 this time, like i said, im talking about SS3/SS6


geeeezzzz
Watch now SS3 onboard from Tanak. It was two places where 200kph now pop-up. First one at downhill section at vineyards and 2nd on later paert at wide road 201kph. But see how those speed behaving. It was 100kph on slow hairpin and 45kph on huge acceleration to 5th gear.
Now on wrc+ (before we had gear indication and rev's) - it's pure GPS data which transmitted into wrc+ live maps. And when wrc stuff upload real car data - see that stage again and see real speed on that two places.

[KKS]

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?
All M-Sport cars till the end of this season on tarmac will use Reiger dampers

[steve.mandzij]

What happened to Rovanperä? He started well on the SSS, then a bit average?Taking it easy, first tarmac rally with Skoda. He's been doing well though, lost lots of time on the first couple of stages but then closed in on the leaders' times as the day went on.

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/OxOLjjweNfk
https://youtu.be/BV0tvtC_PAs
https://youtu.be/_8AhPVfGxpQ
https://youtu.be/C_jeF9ly84I

[Tauri_J]

What happened to Rovanperä? He started well on the SSS, then a bit average?

Why would you even thought he'd be fast here? because of one non-representative mickey mouse stage?

[Mirek]

Speaking about Škoda crews Rovanperä is doing ok. Veiby is not...

[EstWRC]

Morning guys and Happy Birthday to Martin Järveoja!

#Tyre info SS8 & SS9

All Michelin @WRC Drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport H5

[mknight]

Serderidis starting before Østberg? Why? They didn't do this on gravel rallies earlier.

Even with 4 mins it's quite possible he catches him on Panzerplatte.

[AnttiL]

Serderidis starting before Østberg? Why? They didn't do this on gravel rallies earlier.

Even with 4 mins it's quite possible he catches him on Panzerplatte.

I think Henning started first in Sweden on Saturday? That's the only private WRC17 car we have seen earlier this season.

[mknight]

I think Henning started first in Sweden on Saturday? That's the only private WRC17 car we have seen earlier this season.

Well you'r probably right, but there were more 2016 and previous WRCs and they were not first on gravel legs.

[AnttiL]

Well you'r probably right, but there were more 2016 and previous WRCs and they were not first on gravel legs.

yeah, but as you see, Griebel is not starting after Serderidis. WRC17 cars are treated differently.

[KKS]

Serderidis starting before Østberg? Why? They didn't do this on gravel rallies earlier.

Even with 4 mins it's quite possible he catches him on Panzerplatte.
P1 driver reverse order.

[KKS]

Good time by Craig!

[KKS]

Evans very wobbling on brakings

[KKS]

Ogier very aggressive through the stage but +1.5 to JML

[mknight]

Many weird stage results on this one.

[AnttiL]

Quite weird stage end results compared to the splits at times. But it's a stage win for Latvala.

[cosmin_sb]

let see what will happen in the long stage

[HaCo]

My impression from Panzerplatte 1:
https://youtu.be/Umete007mto

[SubaruNorway]

Mads Østberg had reduced power in his car after "an human error at service", says Budar in an intervju:
https://parcferme.no/rally/mikkelsen-det-tar-tid-a-ga-vekk-fra-en-10-ar-gammel-kjorestil/

Mikkelsen struggle to change his style of driving, but it's his only option to get his car to not understeer it's also says.

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They forgot the air duct pipe leading from the bumper into the engine bay for anyone who missed that on All live this morning

[cosmin_sb]

Sordo is very fast, he can cath the fourth place in general after this stage

[mknight]

Sordo is very fast, he can cath the fourth place in general after this stage

He won it last year (2nd run), anyway today (so far) he is driving like I was expecting yesterday. Neuville seems to be going the other direction.

[mknight]

Probably puncture again for Kopecky?

[HaCo]

Probably puncture again for Kopecky?

Don’t see anything on the car

[stefanvv]

Crazy Tanak in there

[EstWRC]

Ott with a quite shitty mood this morning..car not working like he wants

[dimviii]

Camilli would be the wrc2 leader after problems for Kopecky

[KKS]

Very fast tyre change for Kopecky, only 1.30 mins

[mknight]

Anyway a bit of a letdown from Panzerplatte. Much smaller differences than last year, even less than second pass last year (first pass was damp),

Breen doing good,was expecting him to be 4-5 already yesterday.

[er88]

Hyundai 3rd and 4th now and Thierry doing what he needs to do for the championship - driving sensibly. Car is not perfect but that'll be no excuse for Mikkelsen when he is getting destroyed by his two team mates regardless.

Tanak looks to still be in control so far this morning despite not seeming too happy with the car/setup. Unless he makes a mistake I can't see him losing this on speed alone to Ogier.

Evans has gone backwards following a promising second loop yesterday.

Breen has been a bit more pacey in these two stages but his rally is over and he has nothing to fight for. Citroen have stood still on tarmac from last year imo, while other teams have improved. Partly understandable considering how much work that c3 has needed on gravel.

[MartijnS]

Just saw some photos of Solans. He had a really big off at the Panzerplatte!

[mknight]

Breen has been a bit more pacey in these two stages but his rally is over and he has nothing to fight for. Citroen have stood still on tarmac from last year imo, while other teams have improved. Partly understandable considering how much work that c3 has needed on gravel.

1 or 2 places up are possible for Breen. Also there was not a single big moment/retirement/tire issue for any WRC yet, imo unlikely it will stay like that whole weekend.

I share your view on Citroen though, somehow it was also visible on Corsica. They kept speed on tarmac but others have closed up.

[Japé]

Toyota should hire three Tänaks to show car's full potential. Lappi seems to be lost talent compared to high hopes that was targeted to him based to pre-Toyota era. Latvala, well what can you say - running in WRC more or less full time from 2003. Maybe Lappi and Latvala has to stop whining and use more time by taking driving lessons from Tänak.

[KKS]

Just saw some photos of Solans. He had a really big off at the Panzerplatte!
Share it

[mknight]

Toyota should hire three Tänaks to show car's full potential. Lappi seems to be lost talent compared to high hopes that was targeted to him based to pre-Toyota era.

Huh what....

Pre-Toyota era Lappi has not driven a WRC car at all.
This is now his 4th (5th if you count Monte) rally on tarmac and on friday he was doing good, also set two 2nd times.

This is a bit like saying Msport should get 3 Ogiers...

[wrc2017]

1 or 2 places up are possible for Breen. Also there was not a single big moment/retirement/tire issue for any WRC yet, imo unlikely it will stay like that whole weekend.

I share your view on Citroen though, somehow it was also visible on Corsica. They kept speed on tarmac but others have closed up.

All their resources have went into sorting diff, front and rear geometry which was defective from its inception. Tavares also thinks you can run a WRC on a limited budget. You can. But your not going to win anything.

[MartijnS]

Share it

Don’t know how on my phone..

[KKS]

Loubet crashed too

[René]

2 years ago @SLefebvreRallye @moreaugabin had probably the biggest accident of their careers on 1st pass through 'Panzerplatte' Funnily enough, @PH__Sport's #DS3WRC that is driving #MarijanGriebel this w/end is the rebuilt car from that day.

https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/1030737936961220608

[Rallyper]

Think it´s a shame Serderidis starting first getting much attention, which could go to more competent drivers.

He is not in a position to be first driver in startlist. Maybe only moneywise.

[Indreq]

is it just me or has wrc+ had adverse effect on rally chat in this forum - most people are looking wrc+ and having same info, doesnt seem like much reason left to share info or impressions here. Thats unfortunate as i personally am at work at the moment and trying to keep myself informed with glimpses to this forum, splits from wrc.com and rally blog of local news portal... In past this forum was by far best and most exiting source of info and opinions but not so much on this rally. But maybe its just me bitching :P

[mknight]

is it just me or has wrc+ had adverse effect on rally chat in this forum - most people are looking wrc+ and having same info, doesnt seem like much reason left to share info or impressions here.

Well it's exactly like that. People don't feel the need to write what "everyone" sees on alllive.

[Lead]

Poor Mikkelsen... he cant even match the pace of Ostberg and Suninen :D

[AL14]

is it just me or has wrc+ had adverse effect on rally chat in this forum - most people are looking wrc+ and having same info, doesnt seem like much reason left to share info or impressions here. Thats unfortunate as i personally am at work at the moment and trying to keep myself informed with glimpses to this forum, splits from wrc.com and rally blog of local news portal... In past this forum was by far best and most exiting source of info and opinions but not so much on this rally. But maybe its just me bitching :P

It's because a lot of members are directly commenting the all live and not the splits or the radio, so you don't see "Sordo is 1.4 faster at first split" but "wow Suninen was wide on thath one!"

[mknight]

Poor Mikkelsen... he cant even match the pace of Ostberg and Suninen :D

Yeah just shows how terrible his drive his. 2nd place last year and now losing to Suninen who drives his first tarmac rally (and last year was 1 min behind Mikkelsen in R5s on Corsica).

The driver+car combination just doesn't work and now trying to change driving style on his 3rd tarmac rally with the car sounds a bit desperate.

[Rallyper]

Maybe also bcs Rally Germany is a rally where nothing really happens...

[KKS]

Finally Lappi got some pace or just afraid fast Breen behind?

[EstWRC]

Neuville second slower than Sordo in spl1

[Rallyper]

But we could always try to write some more info. Lappi still fastest on SS10. Sordo lost a couple of seconds.

[mknight]

Finally Lappi got some pace or just afraid fast Breen behind?

This is same stage like yesterday that seemed to suit the car and Lappi. (and not suit for example Sordo as he now says on alllive).

[dimviii]

hahaha Suninen comment
at corners i have to improve,at straights i cant go faster.

[dimviii]

It's because a lot of members are directly commenting the all live and not the splits or the radio, so you don't see "Sordo is 1.4 faster at first split" but "wow Suninen was wide on thath one!"

maybe plenty of people are on vacations like me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans dropping away today... needed him to pressure Neuville and also get more Manu points but he's not. :(

[Rallyper]

Evans lost another position. 7,9 secs slower than LAP. Had a small stall.

[Ucci]

maybe plenty of people are on vacations like me.
Me too.....enjoying the sun and see...

[mknight]

Yeah well now Neuville is loosing to Suninen as well....Hyundai does seem to have a problem on this kind of stages. (not on Panzerplatte)

[cosmin_sb]

It is no good for Neuville with 2 drivers just behind him so close

[Rallyper]

"All these Toyotas..." said Ogier. He had a perfect stage driving on the limits.

[mknight]

The difference between how Lappi does on the "Toyota stages" and on those that don't suit him is massive.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi stage win. If he can beat Ogier who said he did a perfect drive then that Toyota must have something special...

[EstWRC]

angry Tänak with one stage to go and he can get some rest and the setup right :D

[KKS]

Very angry Tanak at stage end. Nothing left from calming Ott.

[latek]

Impressive, looks like the village team has the best car.

[Indreq]

angry Tänak with one stage to go and he can get some rest and the setup right :D

Whats he angry about? Time seems to be ok, i thought maybe he is controlling the pace and not taking risks?

[mknight]

Impressive, looks like the village team has the best car.

Yeah, but silly me being concerned about 1 manu dominance.

[EstWRC]

Whats he angry about? Time seems to be ok, i thought maybe he is controlling the pace and not taking risks?

understeer and stiff car and wrong info from gravel crew

[latek]

I wonder if Sordo will be allowed to attack Neuville. He is much faster today.

[mknight]

I wonder if Sordo will be allowed to attack Neuville. He is much faster today.

They will let him drive as fast as he wants and then use timepenalties og tell him to slow down depending on the positions on sunday. No reason for any teamorders before.

[EstWRC]

Yeah, but silly me being concerned about 1 manu dominance.



yet they are third in the manu champs and currently their two other drivers are 5th and 6th not 2nd and 3rd

[Jarek Z]

is it just me or has wrc+ had adverse effect on rally chat in this forum - most people are looking wrc+ and having same info, doesnt seem like much reason left to share info or impressions here. Thats unfortunate as i personally am at work at the moment and trying to keep myself informed with glimpses to this forum, splits from wrc.com and rally blog of local news portal... In past this forum was by far best and most exiting source of info and opinions but not so much on this rally. But maybe its just me bitching :P

Aren't you part of the problem? You are one of those people who never post anything (29 posts in a year) and expect others to post like crazy? ;)

[Indreq]

I wonder if Sordo will be allowed to attack Neuville. He is much faster today.

There would be no end to whining if he would be allowed to do that. Even if Latvala passes both of them as a result, they still keep Sordo behind Neuville.

[BigWorm]

They are going to need Sordo for the last podium spot, at the moment you get the feeling Neuville is going to lose out. Unless Hyundai sort it out in service, which I don't believe they will, it's going to be two Toyotas on the podium.

[mknight]

yet they are third in the manu champs and currently their two other drivers are 5th and 6th not 2nd and 3rd

They are 3rd because of reliability issues.
Latvala and Lappi are where they are due to own crashes + some reliability.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So nothing can happen after day one unless there are mistakes eh ?

A real battle is on with 4 drivers for 3rd on pure pace !

[dimviii]

how Essapeka Lappis co driver holds his pacenotes?































Ferm-ly






NOT sent it by pm if you didnt like it.

[Indreq]

Aren't you part of the problem? You are one of those people who never post anything (29 posts in a year) and expect others to post like crazy? ;)

As i have no info compared to wrc+ viewers, what insightful input you would like me to post? But yes, i accept criticism. I was much more active years ago (McRae, Burns and Märtin era), participated in pickems and everything, but went inactive then for some time after Märtin quit and my stats were reset (account deleted) and now unfortunately i dont have that much time to spend here. So kick me out again if thats not acceptable.

[mknight]

how Essapeka Lappis co driver holds his pacenotes?

Ferm-ly



Too much boring holiday for you...

[KKS]

Loubet off
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/1933511516943380/

[Jarek Z]

My impression from Panzerplatte 1:
https://youtu.be/Umete007mto

Impressive number of spectators for a German rally.

[dimviii]

Too much boring holiday for you...

spending all the day at beach with friends/ family,and every morning driving at mountains with a 400 bhp 550 nm evo viii is not boring at all.

[KKS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk36o3aW4AAnmOu.jpg

[dimviii]

Opens&Tightens twitter account has a photo of Solans crashed fiesta.
Sorry i cant copy paste.

[Jarek Z]

But yes, i accept criticism.

Don't take it personally. I didn't want to criticise you. I also like reading posts on this forum after I come back from work to see what was going on in the rally. Many forum members have interesting observations. I agree with you. It would be said if they stopped posting.

[René]

Opens&Tightens twitter account has a photo of Solans crashed fiesta.
Sorry i cant copy paste.

https://twitter.com/OpensTightens/status/1030756537566982144

[mknight]

A note on the progress of cars...

Last year the winning time on this stage was 6:13.9

now Østberg has 6:03.8.

I don't know if the stage is 100% the same, but the listed length is same. Almost 1 s/km is a huge difference.

[EstWRC]

Evans out or puncture

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk4BoKFXcAEwhk2.jpg:large

[GravelBen]

A note on the progress of cars...

Last year the winning time on this stage was 6:13.9

now Østberg has 6:03.8.

I don't know if the stage is 100% the same, but the listed length is same. Almost 1 s/km is a huge difference.

How does the weather and road condition compare?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans out or puncture

Out.

[KKS]

First WRC out of a rally. Evans

[BigWorm]

Wheel is bent for Evans.

Not doing himself any favours...

[mknight]

How does the weather and road condition compare?

Was dry and clear weather last year as well. I remember it cause it was tv stage. Most cars had a mix of softs though, only Paddon and Hanninen had full hards. So you have a small point there.
Maybe better to compare 2nd pass. Winning time on 2nd pass last year was 6:12 on full hards, which is still a lot slower.

[Rallyper]

Evans off in a righthander. LF wheel bent and not rolling free.

[mknight]

Evans out or puncture

Interesting I was watching Østberg on allive over that crest and wondering if some kamikaze-guy like Tanak might try to do it flat out....

Evans tried

[Rallyper]

Evans probably trying to repair on sight.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

0.1s Neuville behind Latvala !

[Rallyper]

Neu now 0,1 s slower than JML o/a.

[KKS]

First stage win of a rally for Citroen!

[mknight]

All 3 Hyundais within a second of each other and all off the pace even behind Suninen.

I can still hear the people saying this morning how Hyundai is not bad here.

[mknight]

First stage win of a rally for Citroen!

Citroen also won first pass last year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier on the Toyota's: "Under the bonnet something is working well..."

[Jarek Z]

German vineyards...

http://kajto.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/027-1-1024x683.png

[EstWRC]

stop whining about the Toyotas Ogier FFS....you had the absolutely dominating car for 5 years....

[Eli]

First stage win for Breen! Finally!!!! What a tight battle for 3rd.

[krissucool]

Did Ogier mention how much faster his car was after every stage when he was at Volkswagen?

[tommeke_B]

https://www.facebook.com/nikias.priem/videos/10156698505018833/ Evans off filmed from outside.

[Tauri_J]

A note on the progress of cars...

Last year the winning time on this stage was 6:13.9

now Østberg has 6:03.8.

I don't know if the stage is 100% the same, but the listed length is same. Almost 1 s/km is a huge difference.

this isnt circuit racing

cant really compare these times. Bales on a different spot, weather, tyres etc

[stefanvv]

Neu now 0,1 s slower than JML o/a.

So now Lappi & Breen are heading for him. Tell me that before that rally started. Hyundai should let Sordo fight.

[AL14]

stop whining about the Toyotas Ogier FFS....you had the absolutely dominating car for 5 years....

He always has to find something to whine about that is not himself...

[denkimi]

weird to see neuville so slow. yesterday morning he was setting top 3 stage times with tanak and ogier, and in the afternoon and today he's struggeling to match even suninen or breen.

[KKS]

weird to see neuville so slow. yesterday morning he was setting top 3 stage times with tanak and ogier, and in the afternoon and today he's struggeling to match even suninen or breen.
New diff settings from last day midday service. And it doesn't suit to him or conditions

[Indreq]

IF current trend continues then Neuville takes 6th place points and things look considerably better for Ogier (2nd place points). Tänak still has to win most if not all remaining rallies to beat them both...

[steve.mandzij]

Surprised to see Latvala 3rd after such a dreadful Friday, but it seems he's back on it! His pace has been good today. All is not lost!

[cosmin_sb]

Lappi recover from Neuville 7.5s on the first loop. Now the difference between them are 7.8s

[KKS]

New diff settings from last day midday service. And it doesn't suit to him or conditions
And they try replace an old diff from Friday morning at this service

[PLuto]

weird to see neuville so slow. yesterday morning he was setting top 3 stage times with tanak and ogier, and in the afternoon and today he's struggeling to match even suninen or breen.

Yesterday stages were quite different.

[EstWRC]

look how tight today has been so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44263-adac-rallye-deutschland-2018/?leg=2


That Toyota is totally dominating....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

stop whining about the Toyotas Ogier FFS....you had the absolutely dominating car for 5 years....

How is praising another car 'whining' ?

Sordo said the same earlier but that doesnt get called whining...

[Rallyper]

Someone told me on this forum that roadposition didnt play any role.

So? It isnt?

Today totally opposite times on stages than yesterday. (Except maybe Ogier)

I´ve been around in the sport for a while, son!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier in service:
"Good loop for us. Not easy but still a long way to go. I don’t think we can find out much more in the car, it feels good to drive, so I have to push even harder. Of course I don’t want to do a stupid mistake. That's rally, you need to push the limit without crossing it!"

[Jarek Z]

look how tight today has been so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44263-adac-rallye-deutschland-2018/?leg=2


That Toyota is totally dominating....

Yeah, someone needs to learn what the word "domination" means...

[KKS]

Next excuse will be that Ott using estonian pacenotes and he only french

[dimviii]

happy birthday to Martin Jarveoja.
didnt know that was a Estonian judo champion.

[eib1]

happy birthday to Martin Jarveoja.
didnt know that was a Estonian judo champion.

Estonian judo champion 5 times

[dimviii]

@RubnPerez twitter account you can watch Solans crash.A hard one

[eib1]

direct link:
https://youtu.be/PIomvI3Sa0I

[Rally Power]

look how tight today has been so far https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44263-adac-rallye-deutschland-2018/?leg=2 That Toyota is totally dominating....

People tend to forget that WRC cars are permanently evolving. Sometimes the upgrades work better for a certain team and for a moment it may look they’re dominating but on the next rally their competitors can get back and be ahead. That’s why it makes little sense to compare with last year events.

Btw, great fight for P3. Soon we’ll know if Hyundai has managed to improve the car set up during service; if Neuville keeps loosing time the championship can become quite interesting. Also nice battle for P2 at WRC2; Lefebvre (P5) is recovering from yesterday puncture but all the guys in front of him (Rovanpera, Andolfi and Kajto) are fighting hard and it won’t be easy to pass them.

[Rally Power]

No idea if this was already posted. Day 1 video from Rallysupport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ArXfVGovE

[Indreq]

Estonian judo champion 5 times

1625

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville re Toyota's coming up:

“There’s no chance for us to resist against their speed (and) I’m pushing really hard."

[steve.mandzij]

Luis Moya is an excellent host on RBTV, great insight and stories!

[Rallyper]

Afternoon loop is on! Welcome back guys!

[steve.mandzij]

No matter how much you dislike Serderidis' airtime he's got the best livery the Fiesta has ever seen.

[krissucool]

Neuville re Toyota's coming up:

“There’s no chance for us to resist against their speed (and) I’m pushing really hard."

Yes and Ogier has said the same thing on every interview, every service and after every stage. It makes it more funny when he does it after a stage that Citröen win.