Turkey 2018

[jonkka]

Man with blue shirt isn't a spectator - he is FIA official. so it's allowed 'help'

As per rules, is not. It specifically says that:
48.1.2 The crew, using solely the equipment on board and with no external physical assistance, may perform service on the car at any time, other than where this is specifically prohibited.

[T16]

Man with blue shirt isn't a spectator - he is FIA official. so it's allowed 'help' = safety provided

What so you mean KKS? that he's allowed assistance from the official?

[JUF]

And everybody here presumed Turkey will be the worst rally of the season....
Ironic
Who did?

[Tarmop]

If there`s a chanche for risk to ones health, yes.

[BigWorm]

What did he do? All I saw was the FIA man putting a tire under the car, purely for Ogier's and Ingrassia's safety.

[Rallyper]

If that indeed is true, it might mean trouble for Ogier. Tommi Makinen was disqualified from 1999 Safari Rally for that reason.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-403504-ks6wbtz/index.html

He just put a wheel under the car for safety reasons. No help that is.

[T16]

As per rules, is not. It specifically says that:
48.1.2 The crew, using solely the equipment on board and with no external physical assistance, may perform service on the car at any time, other than where this is specifically prohibited.

I guess, that if he just rolled a tyre to them (I didn't see it myself), then he technically didn't touch the car, just placed something under it?

[jonkka]

He just put a wheel under the car for safety reasons. No help that is.

In that case it's not forbidden outside assistance, surely.

[KKS]

As per rules, is not. It specifically says that:
48.1.2 The crew, using solely the equipment on board and with no external physical assistance, may perform service on the car at any time, other than where this is specifically prohibited.
2.13 PROHIBITED SERVICEThe use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by theorganisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence ofteam personnel as defined in Art. 48.2.

no?

[Eric]

Ogier still not moving. When will he have a time penalty?

[deephouse]

He brought two tyres, one that was beside the car and one from the trunk. The crews must follow safety rules. Just like everyone at their work.

[cali]

Who did?A lot of, you can scroll back and see it for yourself

[jonkka]

2.13 PROHIBITED SERVICEThe use or receipt by the crew of any manufactured materials (solid or liquid, unless supplied by theorganisers), spare parts, tools or equipment other than those carried in the competing car or the presence ofteam personnel as defined in Art. 48.2.

no?

What about this? Covers different situation entirely.
EDIT: Also, that's a quote from Definitions.

[Tarmop]

Ogier still not moving. When will he have a time penalty?

TC in 11.36, 33km to go.

[Indreq]

Even if some really strict interpretation of rule would state that this was "help" and infringement, then probably nobody would like this kind of thing to be protested and having any effect on championship. This would be pure "racing on paper" as this placing of tyre could possibly have no effect on outcome of rally.

[KKS]

Evans leave Ogier place and drive into next stage

[Rallyper]

Lappis car moving strangely... Rocking...

Maybe just the camera.

[Eric]

Doesnt look good for Ogier

[KKS]

What about this? Covers different situation entirely.
EDIT: Also, that's a quote from Definitions.
PROHIBITED SERVICE ... use ... manufactured materials ....unless supplied by theorganisers...

[Eric]

Ogier moving!

[Indreq]

i hope i dont jinx it but - so far it seems Toyota is strongest car out there :P

[KKS]

Ogier on a move 142kph. 10min to stage start

[jonkka]

PROHIBITED SERVICE ... use ... manufactured materials ....unless supplied by theorganisers...

Word "materials" refer to things like drinking water which are supplied EVENLY TO EVERY COMPETITOR, it doesn't mean that individual timing official can fix competitors car in his garage / with his power tools (a bit extreme but helps illustrate the issue). Additionally, like I wrote, your quote is Definition of Prohibited Service. It has no regulatory power other than defining.

[T16]

What about this? Covers different situation entirely.
EDIT: Also, that's a quote from Definitions.

Daft question, but doesn't Evans count as a prohibited team member?

[KKS]

Kajto a near 20sec faster than Kopecky. seems sunday drive already for Jan

[Simmi]

Do people actually think the FIA would penalise Ogier for the outside involvement of an FIA official?

[Indreq]

Ogier on a move 142kph. 10min to stage start

if that speed is true than this is surely illegal....

[Oliverk]

156 km/H That cant be allowed

[jonkka]

Daft question, but doesn't Evans count as a prohibited team member?

In what capacity? Anyone can give advice, but can't do any physical work.

[jonkka]

156 km/H That cant be allowed

If it's his first or second, he can risk it... :D

20.3.4 Penalties for infringements during the competition element of the rally:
a) First infringement:
- Speeding: A fine of €25 per km/h over the speed limit, applied by the clerk of the course;
- Other than speeding: A penalty will be applied by the Stewards.
b) Second infringement:
- Speeding: A fine of €50 per km/h over the speed limit, applied by the clerk of the course;
- Other than speeding: A penalty will be applied by the Stewards.
c) Third infringement: A 5-minute time penalty applied by the clerk of the course.
d) Fourth infringement: Disqualification applied only by the Stewards.

[er88]

Car failure then if he didnt hit anything. No excuse for Hyundai - everyone knew this would be a tough rally.Another car failure from Msport on this rally. You can't be pleased?

[er88]

Really hope that Toyota holds it together for Ott. Fingers crossed

[Päss1928]

https://i.gyazo.com/51e8fc2b7003bdcb8d1c95e30d381a6e.png


Woops.

[Lead]

Ogier is pushing on road section :D

[KKS]

some 2-3 spectators could help Lappi out of.. but seems they not even try

[Rallyper]

Lappi!!??

[KKS]

Lappi!!??
out.

half of car on road and half in a deep ditch

[deephouse]

Ogier has fixed the car but with ratchet strap holding parts together. Nice for that kind of rough road. Good luck

[EstWRC]

Tänak with a steering issue but managed it !

what a morning

[KKS]

Tanak with some brokes too

[EstWRC]

Ogier on the stage now, lets see the splits

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/active_diff/status/1040884081926594560

[Päss1928]

Lappi probably handed a place to Ogier for free again like in every rally.

[EstWRC]

Ogier on the pace and he dropped only to 4th position or smth like this?

[deephouse]

Maybe he is working as a team mate already..

[KKS]

Ogier is pushing on road section :D
need pacenotes for roadsection too :D

[EstWRC]

Ogier fastest in spl2

[Päss1928]

need pacenotes for roadsection too :D

Wouldn´t surprise me if they had Evans sweep for him on the road section.

[Negaiss]

I remember the days without WRC+ All Live. Now it is hard to imagine, how would it be to follow rally without it. Today it is so exciting to watch - better than any tv show.

[EstWRC]

quite a balls from Ogier to go flatout on this one just after having a problem

[SubaruNorway]

If there is a ratchet strap in there It's probably on the rear mount of the wishbone, looked like that's what broke earlier by the way the wheel was moving

[wwbroe]

Best split 3 for Ogier also

[er88]

Ogier could get Latvala and Tanak by end of today on this pace? He can't be far behind them - 20 seconds or something?

[EstWRC]

he will definitely get them


E. lol just 10 secs away from Tänak in overall

[er88]

Incredible

[KKS]

Pure double luck

[BigWorm]

Going to finish second, at least

[denkimi]

indeed incredible. i thought he was gonna back off and just try to make it safe to service, but no. boom, another scratch.

[er88]

He could still win this event. He battered Mikkelsen in the long stage this morning.

[Rallyper]

Solberg now 8th ...

[mknight]

I like how everyone already knows how the rally will finish after barely half way trough, with massive things happening all the time.

[SubaruNorway]

Kopecky with an issue it seems

[Lord_Shaitan]

A wild lust of kicking Ogier that is coming from many users here is simply amazing...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS10: OGIER
What a recovery! Having fixed his car, Seb bags fastest time on SS10 to slot fourth in the overall standings. He's only 7.7sec off the podium places. "Still it's really good," he says. "It was a big fight. We made it at the last minute and I'm happy to be here!"

[KKS]

Great stage by Ingram, just 3.8 sec away from Henning and back into WRC2 lead. Who can expect that... wow

[Rallyper]

Great stage by Ingram, just 3.8 sec away from Henning and back into WRC2 lead. Who can expect that... wow

Still Solberg is 4:21,8 faster overall...

[Got Mail]

Still Solberg is 4:21,8 faster overall...

You will see Ingram's pace on Rally GB - not here.

This is a drive to stay out of trouble.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

krismeeke.com @krismeeke
Replying to @SebOgier
@SebOgier Work on road section and blitz everyone on the next! Reminded me of this.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQkxXqxY78 …

McRae comparison heroic enough ?

[Simmi]

You will see Ingram's pace on Rally GB - not here.

This is a drive to stay out of trouble.

Got my fingers crossed for Chris. Still such a long way to go and he's not exactly a stranger to bad luck. A big performance here might free him up a bit to push in Wales. He had previously said he was going for a finish on his home event.

As for the overall - I'm still firmly picking Ogier to win.

[SubaruNorway]

Great stage by Ingram, just 3.8 sec away from Henning and back into WRC2 lead. Who can expect that... wow

#32
Kopecký Jan - Dresler Pavel
broken driveshaft, only rear wheel drive

[JUF]

President Erdogan visiting the rally today. This will surely lead to some discussions...

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like the rear mount on the wishbone is held together by tie wraps and a ratchet strap https://twitter.com/davidevansrally/status/1040899351957123072

[N.O.T]

which are the real results ? rally base or wrc.com ones ?

[Eric]

Im not surprised if we see Ogier on top of the podium tomorrow. If he goes for it, Mikkelsen, Tanak and Latvala doesnt stand a chance. Lets see if he is playing it "safe" going for those 15/18 points or if he is willing to risk everything for first place.

[N.O.T]

ok rally-base changed theirs...

still ogier has the speed to win but Neuville had the speed to win as well... its a matter of being lucky with the stones.

[Rallyper]

ok rally-base changed theirs...

still ogier has the speed to win but Neuville had the speed to win as well... its a matter of being lucky with the stones.

You mean the championship I suppose ...

[N.O.T]

You mean the championship I suppose ...

no the rally... thats why i said neuville HAD...

the championship is wide open for all 3.

[Rallyper]

no the rally... thats why i said neuville HAD...

the championship is wide open for all 3.

Sorry, misread...

[Rallyper]

Smoke in Breens car. Should avoid that for their lungs. Really important.

[KKS]

Smoke in Breens car. Should avoid that for their lungs. Really important.
Mb some bush stuck near hot pipe and start to burn slowly?

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen +6 in spl1 ??

[KKS]

Too much drama for one stage and one rally

[BigWorm]

Mikkelsen +6 in spl1 ??

He might be saving his tir... car.

[EstWRC]

plus 11 allready in second split, that cant be saving

[Eric]

Mikkelsen losing time. Puncture?

[focus206]

lol at the people saying the championship was over after Deutschland, ridicolous...
Still drama to come in this rally, but I say Ogier is going to win this...

[N.O.T]

second pass slower than the first... the roads must be destroyed

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnH3-LKWwAAuE--.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnH3-NsW0AAeodI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnH3-LEX4AA_J3a.jpg

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen + 17 already in third split

we maight have Ogier, Tänak 1-2 in the end of the stage

[dimviii]

"Everything was going well, the car was very good, 8 kilometers before the first special stage, I felt like I had a slow puncture, I could not turn in the right turns. I saw the hood get up and I realized that it was a serious problem, we ended up idling, then we tried to put the front shocks in the back to relieve the front. there was no way to continue, "said Neuville when he arrived at the park.

"We showed good performances, unfortunately we did not pay, we were ahead of the middle, anything can happen, we have to accept it, we have to come back stronger and be a champion at the end of the year. It's part of the game. We were out of luck because we did not touch anything during this rally. We put new dampers this morning, it's incomprehensible. I did not make a mistake, it's bad luck, we were the strongest during the weekend, we have to bet on Sunday's Power Stage ", concluded the Belgian at our microphone.
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_neuville-je-n-ai-pas-fait-d-erreur-c-est-de-la-malchance-il-faut-l-accepter?id=10019737

[Päss1928]

Tänak's going to be in Breens dust now.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen loosing a lot of time in here.

[N.O.T]

Ogier is going to lead after this one if nothing happens to his car...

[EstWRC]

there was no dust, he is going so slowly

[EightGear]

Mikkelsen of no use at all to Neuville, again.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen of no use at all to Neuville, again.

i think he is no use at all in general....

[dimviii]

definetely must have some problem.Too slow.

[mknight]

Mikkelsen of no use at all to Neuville, again.

What a BS comment. At this point you have no idea what is going on.

[EstWRC]

Tänak and Ogier 1-2 after this stage


and Ogier will win it

[dimviii]

Tanak half minute faster from 1 st pass

[EstWRC]

ogier stopped!!!

[BigWorm]

Ogier stopped

[N.O.T]

Tänak and Ogier 1-2 after this stage


and Ogier will win it

no its going to be Ogier-Tanak...

[KKS]

Ogier 'win' it :)

[dimviii]

Ogier stopped

[er88]

Carnage. What is happening

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Exciting and dramatic as I said pre-rally...

[BigWorm]

Is this exciting for the right reasons?

[N.O.T]

stupid rally.... but


GO TANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK

[JUF]

Is this exciting for the right reasons?

It is... ;)

[Lead]

Tanak will be in the lead after this one.

[EstWRC]

why deont show whats happened?

[KKS]

Latvala puncture? sounds horrible

[Eric]

Oh my what a rally!! Come on Tanak!

[mknight]

ogier stopped!!!

But you just announced how he will be first.

Seriously ppl, stop with these "sure" conclusions after every other minute. Irritating as hell to read forums.

[EstWRC]

off for Ogier, a rare sight

[BigWorm]

Ogier off

[dimviii]

SAT 14:08 - SS11: MIKKELSEN
WRC TV crew reports a deflated right-rear tyre on Mikkelsen's car. He's pushing on for now.

[BigWorm]

Looked Lappi-esque

[KKS]

Ogier as same off position as in Portugal

[KKS]

Latvala puncture? sounds horrible
yep RL

[dimviii]

Julian Porter

Amazing scenes in the service park, Elfyn Evans & Dan Barritt working on their own car to free up their mechanics to help the rebuild of Ogier’s & Ingrassia’s car. Team work to the maximum.

https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/1040905493584203776

[BigWorm]

Suninen to win this rally

[KKS]

Mikkelsen with puncture too.
Now Tanak must be very caution!

[cosmin_sb]

when was the last rally with so many events and it still remains 6SS 😊

[Lead]

Suninen to win this rally

Henning will win it.

[deephouse]

And then the teams want to boycott Sardegna and Tour de Corse... I think that this joke of a rally needs a boycott.

[EstWRC]

But you just announced how he will be first.

Seriously ppl, stop with these "sure" conclusions after every other minute. Irritating as hell to read forums.

i could say the same thing to you with your EWRC based conclusions and facts every now and then here....without knowing the back story

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pity for Ogier after all that effort to fix the car and blitz the next stage.

And yesterday Tanak said its not his rally..

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen with puncture too.
Now Tanak must be very caution!


SAT 14:06 - SS11: TANAK
Completes. Thinks he might have a problem with a rear damper.

[dimviii]

Pity for Ogier after all that effort to fix the car and blitz the next stage.

And yesterday Tanak said its not his rally..

driver mistake while championship leader out of rally.
Just unacceptable for his class.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen gutted.

[N.O.T]

Suninen to win this rally

if they continue like this neuville might win it as well...

stupid event

[Lead]

Seems some technical problems for Mikkelsen....

[er88]

Brilliant for Tanak. Go Ott!!!

[N.O.T]

Good thing is both Neuville and Ogier will go flat out on the power stage... its going to be good.

[er88]

Mikkelsen and Evans having horrible seasons. Driving badly and having bad luck as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

driver mistake while championship leader out of rally.
Just unacceptable for his class.

Fatigue after all the time repairing the car may have been a factor.

[dimviii]

Toyota 1-2 and plenty of championship manufacture points

[deephouse]

It is stupid, only 5 crews, and almost all with serious problems...

EDIT: on WRC official site in Live text section there is every post with triangle in it.

[dimviii]

Fatigue after all the time repairing the car may have been a factor.

dont make it worse.

[mknight]

Mikkelsen and Evans having horrible seasons. Driving badly and having bad luck as well.

Yes you usually lead a rally (4th rally this year) by driving badly.

[N.O.T]

dont make it worse.

he has no limits... he can make it far far worse...

[EstWRC]

nice time Elfyn

[Eric]

Mikkelsen and Evans having horrible seasons. Driving badly and having bad luck as well.

At least Mikkelsen has been fighting in the top for 3 rallies until the car breaks down.

[dimviii]

can somebody calculate both championship points as they are after ss 11?
2 beers from me.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen and Evans having horrible seasons. Driving badly and having bad luck as well.
Mikkelsen isnt driving badly... actually he has been leading couple of events this year until his car holds up.

[EstWRC]

i dont understand, yesterday the stages were much rougher and the Hyundai was going strong and today they are like made out of sugar

[mknight]

can somebody calculate both championship points as they are after ss 11?
2 beers from me.

Likely they will need to recalculate 1 stage later.

[dimviii]

Latvala with hydraulic problems

[EstWRC]

can somebody calculate both championship points as they are after ss 11?
2 beers from me.

Neuville 172
Tänak 161
Ogier 149

without PS

[N.O.T]

can somebody calculate both championship points as they are after ss 11?
2 beers from me.

without the power stage... its easy just add 25 points to tanak

1. Neuville 172
2. Tanak 161
3. Ogier 149

[jonkka]

can somebody calculate both championship points as they are after ss 11?
2 beers from me.

172 Neuville
161 Tanak
149 Ogier
88 Lappi
77 Mikkelsen
73 Latvala
etc

284 Toyota
281 Hyundai
234 M-Sport (Evans will score some, not included here)
167 Citroen (Ostberg will score some tomorrow)

[N.O.T]

Neuville 172
Tänak 161
Ogier 149

without PS

a bit optimistic... tanak has 136 + 25

you edited your post you estonian DOG !!!!!!!!

[dimviii]

2 beers for jonkka.The only who calculated both championships.
Nandan going to be crazy if he loose the manufacture chapionship from Makinen.

[dimviii]

So Neuville while being the most unlucky without driver error,and faster one,will not be in a bad place after this rally.
he was 23 points ahead of Ogier,and now will be 11 points ahead of Tanak.Probably a bit more due to power stage points.
Ogier just fucked up his championship chances.

[EstWRC]

a bit optimistic... tanak has 136 + 25

you edited your post you estonian DOG !!!!!!!!

yes, i automatically put 5 PS also for Ott :p

[dimviii]

SAT 14:25 - MIKKELSEN UPDATE
Hyundai parked by the roadside, Andreas and co-driver Anders have the spanners out. The sump shield has been removed and is covered in oil. This, and rear-wheel drive only, suggests a front diff problem.

[Oliverk]

Breens car is in flames.

[er88]

Yes you usually lead a rally (4th rally this year) by driving badly.If you think Mikkelsen has driven well this year you're deluded.

Given his road position he should've been out of sight on this rally, not trailing his road opening team mate after the first day.


And since when did how many times a driver leads a rally mean anything? After all, Meeke has led rallies...

[jonkka]

Breens car is in flames.

As in fully ablaze?

[EstWRC]

you can see it on Järveojas instagram story https://www.instagram.com/martinjarveoja/

and here https://twitter.com/klaustrofoob/status/1040928468106731520

[Oliverk]

As in fully ablaze?
Backside was burning with big flames. From Järveoja insta story.

[EstWRC]

https://www.upload.ee/image/8946863/breen.jpg

[jonkka]

Damn, that's bad (for Citroen). It'll be total loss.

[Eric]

If you think Mikkelsen has driven well this year you're deluded.

Given his road position he should've been out of sight on this rally, not trailing his road opening team mate after the first day.


And since when did how many times a driver leads a rally mean anything? After all, Meeke has led rallies...

Well that is just a stupid thing to say. Meeke crashes out of the rallies. Mikkelsen is having technical issues every time.

[Mirek]

I am hiking in the hills and everytime I stop on some hilltop I can only count how many cars disappeared. Ridiculous.

[focus206]

Now that's some drama indeed. HUGE chance for Tanak, if he does not blow it, he's right there for the championship!

[Grutz]

Well that is just a stupid thing to say. Meeke crashes out of the rallies. Mikkelsen is having technical issues every time.

Cant say he had technical issues in Finland when he ROLLED!

[BigWorm]

Cant say he had technical issues in Finland when he ROLLED!

Did he roll out of the lead?

[dimviii]

SAT 14:47 - ALL OVER FOR BREEN
Craig's C3 caught fire after SS11 and has been completely destroyed. Crew are fine. Ott Tanak used his extinguisher to help, but in vain.

[Indreq]

SAT 14:47 - ALL OVER FOR BREEN
Craig's C3 caught fire after SS11 and has been completely destroyed. Crew are fine. Ott Tanak used his extinguisher to help, but in vain.

is it allowed to start to next stage without extinguisher?

[Eric]

Cant say he had technical issues in Finland when he ROLLED!

Can you even read? We are talking about when he is in the lead/fighting for victory..

[mknight]

If you think Mikkelsen has driven well this year you're deluded.

Given his road position he should've been out of sight on this rally, not trailing his road opening team mate after the first day.


And since when did how many times a driver leads a rally mean anything? After all, Meeke has led rallies...

He has driven worse than top 3. But putting him on same performance level as Evans is retarded.
He led 3 rallies this year (Arg, Sard, Tur) and was 2nd in two (Monte, Swe). Out of these 3times he got technical issues, once a puncture. Only "crash" was in Finland, without retiring.
Evans mostly crashed out by himself from worse places.

As to the road position here quite many drivers had better and Lappi and Tänak had 1-2 cars worse. But yeah Mikkelsen is the one who was driving bad.

Hard to win rallies when you never lead any, some would say impossible.

[AnttiL]

So, now there is five WRC cars still running? Or four if Mikkelsen retires? And yet no technical retirements for the fragile Yarises

[jonkka]

is it allowed to start to next stage without extinguisher?

I can't quote regulations for you but I think so yes, otherwise it would be rather pointless to have it as using one would mean withdrawal from the rally.

[mufcAleksi]

I think Mikkelsen will retire, he is still at the finish of SS11

[jonkka]

So, now there is five WRC cars still running? Or four if Mikkelsen retires? And yet no technical retirements for the fragile Yarises

Six (Tanak, Latvala, Paddon, Mikkelsen, Suninen, Evans). Also Al-Qassimi is still running, so seven.

[mufcAleksi]

Henning is in fifth place after the next stage, what the hell is going on

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnIjCtuVYAANLpV.jpg

[Jarek Z]

I am hiking in the hills and everytime I stop on some hilltop I can only count how many cars disappeared. Ridiculous.

Ogier, Neuville, Lappi, Breen, Ostberg, Tidemand, the list goes on...

[AnttiL]

Six (Tanak, Latvala, Paddon, Mikkelsen, Suninen, Evans). Also Al-Qassimi is still running, so seven.

I didn't count Rally2 cars in.

[deephouse]

Six (Tanak, Latvala, Paddon, Mikkelsen, Suninen, Evans). Also Al-Qassimi is still running, so seven.

Evans is under rally2. Don't know if Qassimi too but he is slow everytime so he doesn't even counts at all.

[Jarek Z]

And they say women don't like rallying!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlwnG46Fu0N/?taken-by=martinjarveoja

[KKS]

Oh poor Craig :(

[AnttiL]

Teemu and Mikko just had "seb's hole" in their pace notes

[dimviii]

Βreens c3
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1040937079939756032


http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_09_2018/post-157-0-18514200-1537013603.jpg

[EstWRC]

Latvala wants the win, fastest by far on spl1

[Sulland]

I thnk it is safe to say that todays WRCars are not made to take such tough conditions at full speed.

Maybe next year the drivers actually have to adapt their speed to make the car last to the "chequered flag" !
And then we suddenly have a old fashioned rally on our hands, where drivers have to think endurance!

[HaCo]

What a rally... Who is next?

[EstWRC]

okay thats why, Ott used the old tyres

[Sulland]

I think Mikkelsen will retire, he is still at the finish of SS11

If the pair can not mend it, he will probably loose less by driving slowly with rwd.

[AnttiL]

We have to wait for the afternoon loop. It will be a decider, for sure.


And then the tomorrow morning loop, and the tomorrow afternoon loop. They all will be deciders ;)

;)

[KKS]

;)
we have another loop tomorrow ))

[BigWorm]

6 cars starting this stage. Sad to see.

[KKS]

6 cars starting this stage. Sad to see.
"Eyes saw what they bought"

[dimviii]

Latvala probably wants to be ahead from Tanak after tonights last stage,to avoid orders


Latvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka
"The car is fine now, it was just overheating, now it is working really, really well. I thought I drove carefully here, so the time is a surprise. It seems the other drivers were more careful. Let's wait until the end of the day before we think about team orders."

[steve.mandzij]

Quite exciting to see this race of attrition for me!
6 cars starting this stage. Sad to see.

[AnttiL]

Evans is soon in the top 10. Will he catch Henning?

[Sulland]

I think Mikkelsen will retire, he is still at the finish of SS11

If the pair can not mend it, he will probably loose less by driving slowly with rwd.

Have they pulled out, or still fixing?

[SubaruNorway]

Mikkelsen at the startline now anyway

[Tauri_J]

Latvala probably wants to be ahead from Tanak after tonights last stage,to avoid orders


Latvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka
"The car is fine now, it was just overheating, now it is working really, really well. I thought I drove carefully here, so the time is a surprise. It seems the other drivers were more careful. Let's wait until the end of the day before we think about team orders."


lol

did you even hear the whole interview...he said he would help Ott for the campionship

[dimviii]

Opens&Tightens

#WRC #RallyTurkey SS12 Update

#Hyundai's #AM starting 20min late w/ only RWD

[dimviii]

lol

did you even hear the whole interview...he said he would help Ott for the campionship

which one part of interview we have to believe?

[steve.mandzij]

Solberg is such a pleasure to hear!

[Tauri_J]

which one part of interview we have to believe?

after stage 12...all live

[KKS]

which one part of interview we have to believe?
JML saying that to be ordered team to let Tanak go he must finished this day. And Jari himself ready to not attack him.

[dimviii]

after stage 12...all live

comments i quoted, are after stage 12 too

[denkimi]

They would be stupid not to let tanak pass latavala. He's in contention for the world title now.

[dimviii]

JML saying that to be ordered team to let Tanak go he must finished this day. And Jari himself ready to not attack him.

thanks for clarifying.

[Tauri_J]

comments i quoted, are after stage 12 too

its not full quotes jesus christ

do you really think drivers say only couple of sentences at the end of the stage

not your fault, but its theirs of whereever you copied them

[dimviii]

its not full quotes jesus christ

do you really think drivers say only couple of sentences at the end of the stage

not your fault, but its theirs of whereever you copied them

copied from official site.
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livetiming/page/4175----.html

[EstWRC]

not sa good pace from Ott compared to Paddon

[dimviii]

not sa good pace from Ott compared to Paddon

if thery have agreed with Latvala,he dont have to risk.

[wwbroe]

Yes, he can drive just trough the stages, nobody there who can push him

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnImt4pXcAEaScw.jpg

When will his luck ever change... :(

[wwbroe]

Paddon ever slower as Suninen

[EstWRC]

Paddon has no worry too

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnIJ_scWsAAQejV.jpg

Evans too (especially deserves some luck now for servicing his own car).

[wwbroe]

Tomorrow will be boring, except for power stage where both Ogier and Neuville will have to go for maximum possible points.

[jonkka]

I just noticed that if Tanak and JML can finish 1st and 2nd, it will be this season's first 1-2 result for any team. It has been so even season in this respect (and 2017 too, there was also only one 1-2).

[tommeke_B]

So that brings Tänak back in the middle of the championship fight... What a dramatic rally.

[KKS]

More interesting it's about team-orders in Msport. Will only Evans drop a position or Teemu too

[denkimi]

not sa good pace from Ott compared to Paddon
18 seconds faster in 20 kilometers seems like a good pace to me. :p

[EstWRC]

haha, i meant the beginning of the stage.

what a stressfull day! and tomorrow even more for me

[KKS]

If Latvala talking about that he want to win but must play a team card - thats mean only one: he stay in Toyota at next year

[KKS]

Ingram lost near 2 min and Kopecky back into a WRC2 lead

[Got Mail]

Ingram lost near 2 min and Kopecky back into a WRC2 lead

Rear puncture.

[focus206]

Ogier could also very well get back into the top 10 to scrap up some points, especially if there are team orders + eventual problems/retirements.
Neuville will go flat out in the Power Stage, nothing to lose, it will be interesting.

[Indreq]

It seems that Ford and Hyundai have chance to salvage at least some semi-decent points from this event. But for Citroen it is already another disaster.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame about Ingram's puncture, but all he really wants/needs is a debut podium in WRC2.

He still has a good gap of 1m36 over Kajto in 4th. :)

[Rally Power]

Holly cow! I thought Neuville or Ogier could get car issues considering their pace on these roads but was far from guessing all the top 3 would be affected. Gutted for all of them and hat off for their efforts fixing the cars. No matter what driver one support, everybody should praise these guys.

Btw, I’m curious to know what some folks always eager to mention Ogier or Neuville alleged luck will say on Tanak winning this rally...

[KKS]

It seems that Ford and Hyundai have chance to salvage at least some semi-decent points from this event. But for Citroen it is already another disaster.
Finally another good weekend without wrecker Meeke

[Tarmop]

Holly cow! I thought Neuville or Ogier could get car issues considering their pace on these roads but was far from guessing all the top 3 would be affected. Gutted for all of them and hat off for their efforts fixing the cars. No matter what driver one support, everybody should praise these guys.

Btw, I’m curious to know what some folks always eager to mention Ogier or Neuville alleged luck will say on Tanak winning this rally...

He hasn`t won anything yet, so lets no get ahead of ourselves and well, this is the event, where you can talk both about luck or strategy.

[Integrale]

haha, i meant the beginning of the stage.

what a stressfull day! and tomorrow even more for meLet me jinx that for you.

Tanak can't lose this.

Have a pleasant Sunday! ;)


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[mknight]

Holly cow! I thought Neuville or Ogier could get car issues considering their pace on these roads but was far from guessing all the top 3 would be affected. Gutted for all of them and hat off for their efforts fixing the cars. No matter what driver one support, everybody should praise these guys.

Btw, I’m curious to know what some folks always eager to mention Ogier or Neuville alleged luck will say on Tanak winning this rally...

Well Tänak was only 4th fastest here which is basically his slowest performance of the season (hard to count sweden). Then again you could say he was the one that drove without destroying his car.
Certainly lot of luck as well, but that's rally, sometimes it goes one way sometimes the other.

Personally (without seeing the onboard) I think Ogier seriously messed up here with the off after almost retiring. (also mistake on SSS). He could gain good points on Neuville. Similar story as in Germany where he could get good points but pushed for win and lost points instead. Somehow he is losing his cool .

[AnttiL]

Sunday is probably the shortest of its kind of the season, only 35 km. About the same as the first stage today.

[denkimi]

Sunday is probably the shortest of its kind of the season, only 35 km. About the same as the first stage today.
Ridiculous. They could just add a 35k night powerstage on saterday evening so everyone can sleep long on sunday.

[KKS]

Ridiculous. They could just add a 35k night powerstage on saterday evening so everyone can sleep long on sunday.
good to be at same timezone as rally :D

[René]

Maybe I'm getting too old? But I'm not passionate about this kind of carnage. Sorry but that the winner of such event is the one who has encountered the least problem, which will be seasoned with a little bit team-order to finish. No sporting interest....

[sollitt]

Encountered less problems or invited less problems? Not every rally is flat out sprint event.

[Simmi]

Variety is the spice of life. Events are so short these days it's nice to have one where you can lose a minute and not be out of the game. I think it's been a fantastic addition to the championship.

[Mirek]

Encountered less problems or invited less problems? Not every rally is flat out sprint event.

Do You really enjoy watching 5 WRC cars on stage? Would You go to spectate such event?

[dimviii]

Maybe I'm getting too old? But I'm not passionate about this kind of carnage. Sorry but that the winner of such event is the one who has encountered the least problem, which will be seasoned with a little bit team-order to finish. No sporting interest....

Ogier retired from driver mistake
Neuvilles suspension collapsed in a not rough stage,while it was a new one fitted this morning.We ve seen that kind of failure at other rallies too.
Lappi was drivers mistake.
Ostberg turbo =nothing about roughness
Breen fire the same as Ostberg.

about r5 cars Henning with michelin tyres as Kopecky/Tidemand and while he was as fast,he hadnt got any problems,with same car.

So? Imho is good to have a such rally,rally is not only flat out at Finland like smooth terrains.
we need variety,all kinds of conditions.

[BigWorm]

An event which you need to manage your speed can be nice, but this rally is just a car wrecker. Cars are being destroyed no matter the approach from the driver.

[dimviii]

Do You really enjoy watching 5 WRC cars on stage? Would You go to spectate such event?

Mirek this generation of drivers (except Latvala,Ogier)havent compete at Acropolis and such rough rallies,maybe they didnt know how to drive accordingly.Next time will be more ready.

[mknight]

I think polo wrc was built more robust than other cars from same era. But obviously manufacturers adapt to the rallies that are on the calendar.

Interesting that most retirements came today with seemingly less rough stages than yesterday. Maybe drivers started to push more with that in mind.

[dimviii]

Interesting that most retirements came today with seemingly less rough stages than yesterday. Maybe drivers started to push more with that in mind.

which retirements can we say that they were from ''roughness'' of rally?

[Mirek]

Mirek this generation of drivers (except Latvala,Ogier)havent compete at Acropolis and such rough rallies,maybe they didnt know how to drive accordingly.Next time will be more ready.

Maybe but I really didn't follow today at all - even when my friend is going for WRC2 title. It was just completely uninteresting for me when stage times were basically meaningless and it was just about waiting who retires next.

[N.O.T]

which retirements can we say that they were from ''roughness'' of rally?

almost all of them... right now only 2-3 crews had a clean run, other had some kind of problem that either lead to retirement of losing too much time.

its a stupid event.