Turkey 2018

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2018/hfr_dsc_3397.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/515/

[mknight]

which retirements can we say that they were from ''roughness'' of rally?
I have not seen footage since I am in the wild, but sounds like Ogier (1st damage, not the off), Mikkelsen and Latvalas issues.

[N.O.T]

nice picture... it can also be used to play the game: Spot the low life worthless trash that does not care for his existence...

[danon]

Great event I would say.
Bring on Safari :D

[N.O.T]

still no footage of Ogiers off ?

[dimviii]

almost all of them... right now only 2-3 crews had a clean run, other had some kind of problem that either lead to retirement of losing too much time.

its a stupid event.

Ostberg turbo
Breen fire
Mikkelsen driveshaft there is no rally without driveshaft problem for some works cars,We see it at every rally even the smooth or asphalt ones.
Ogier driver mistake
Lappi driver mistake
Neuville suspension collapsed without hitting something while brand new.Problematic suspension unit probably.

works drivers are 12....rest of them are still at rally almost without problems
about r5 cars Henning was faster without a puncture with same tyres/car.

Yes rally was extreme rough at day 1 ,but this roughness didnt drive to retirements,at least at more percentage from other rallies due to ''roughness''

[N.O.T]

Ostberg turbo
Breen fire
Mikkelsen driveshaft there is no rally without driveshaft problem for some works cars,We see it at every rally even the smooth or asphalt ones.
Ogier driver mistake
Lappi driver mistake
Neuville suspension collapsed without hitting something while brand new.Problematic suspension unit probably.

works drivers are 12....rest of them are still at rally almost without problems
about r5 cars Henning was faster without a puncture with same tyres/car.

Yes rally was extreme rough at day 1 ,but this roughness didnt drive to retirements,at least at more percentage from other rallies due to ''roughness''

when in every rally you have about 7-10 manufacturer cars finishing and here you have 5 with a day to go means that this rally is a car breaker...

[dimviii]

when in every rally you have about 7-10 manufacturer cars finishing and here you have 5 with a day to go means that this rally is a car breaker...

drivers errors ,fires and turbo has nothing to do with roughness.

Here is Ogiers incar off. 2 beers.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/26932-wrc-rally-turkey-2018-highlights-stages-11-13/

[Indreq]

Just trying to think if other factors may have been there besides rough road. What ambient temperatures are there? Is it possible that while cars can handle engine cooling, some other components (diffs, hydraulics) still may suffer from overheating? Mikkelsens diff issue may be because of too hot oil not providing enough lubrication/cooling to diff, also Latvala mentioned hydraulics overheating. Breen fire quite probably also started from oil leak, wether oil temperature plays any role there, i dont know. Also in case of Ostberg turbo fail easily could have been destroyed bearings due to lubrication issues.

[dimviii]

there wasnt higher temperatures from other rallies like Sardegna for example,or other Mediterranean former rallies as Acropolis,Cyprus,Jordan.

[dimviii]

Rallirinki / Teemu
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@HartusvuoriWRC

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https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/1041035269074505728


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edit better video
https://twitter.com/IbrahimAlZubadi/status/1041011677137956867

[sollitt]

Do You really enjoy watching 5 WRC cars on stage? Would You go to spectate such event?

Not at all. Do you not understand that there are fast rallies and rough rallies and they each require a different approach?

[EstWRC]

Let me jinx that for you.

Tanak can't lose this.

Have a pleasant Sunday! ;)

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Lol. What’s your problem ?

[Mirek]

Not at all. Do you not understand that there are fast rallies and rough rallies and they each require a different approach?

I do understand that. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

[Mirek]

Nice gallery: https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/515/

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2018/hfr_dsc_7366.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2018/hfr_dsc_3158.jpg

Some guys removing a huuuge stone from the road (?)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2018/hfr_dsc_7202.jpg

Here also a massive one in front of Paddon (small for sure)
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_turkey_marmaris_2018/hfr_dsc_7059.jpg

[N.O.T]

drivers errors ,fires and turbo has nothing to do with roughness.

Here is Ogiers incar off. 2 beers.


yes it does have to do with roughness... when the car shakes like a bitch for 2 days all components take damage that slowly accumulates and the part brakes or fails.

the off was the most stupid off someone can have... so 1 beer...

[dimviii]

michelin day 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DveRwbbKlk

[Mirek]

Guys do You also have wrong time in forum? It's 27 minutes late for me.

[Sulland]

Local Time on iPad 2124.

[eib1]

same here, i think few years already

[dimviii]

why no Lappi at start list?
http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Start-List-For-Section-6-TC13D-Sunday-16th-Sept-2018.pdf

[BigWorm]

why no Lappi at start list?
http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Start-List-For-Section-6-TC13D-Sunday-16th-Sept-2018.pdf

Not sure, has Toyota said anything? Rollcage damage?

[AnttiL]

Just announced he's retired https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/1041048179419041794

[mknight]

End of a terrible rally for him then. Suninen also quite bad performance overall.

Quite a contrast to all the expectations before the event. New rally was supposed to level the playing field for them. Instead it seems that experience was more important.

[Tarmop]

Experience or incase of its absence, careful approach always counts and sometimes even the best aren`t safe. Without their own mistakes they could`ve been quite high.

[Allez Andruet]

Suninen also quite bad performance overall.
Last time I checked he was lying fourth overall?

[mknight]

Last time I checked he was lying fourth overall?
The last wrc without issues and 2 mins behind Paddon who is also "driving safe". One 2nd time as the only highlight. That surely is below most expectations.

[Tauri_J]

End of a terrible rally for him then. Suninen also quite bad performance overall.

Quite a contrast to all the expectations before the event. New rally was supposed to level the playing field for them. Instead it seems that experience was more important.

facepalm

[Allez Andruet]

The last wrc without issues and 2 mins behind Paddon who is also "driving safe". One 2nd time as the only highlight. That surely is below most expectations.

I checked again and he's still fourth overall. Hard to blame him for all the issues the others have had.

[itix]

yes it does have to do with roughness... when the car shakes like a bitch for 2 days all components take damage that slowly accumulates and the part brakes or fails.

the off was the most stupid off someone can have... so 1 beer...Yeah, that's why Dakar cars break all the time. Enduro bikes too. That's why most winners of either usually walk to the finish line.

If you don't want to watch, take your complaints and watch tennis or something.

In the meanwhile, let us who don't mind enjoy the event. Thank you kindly.

[N.O.T]

Yeah, that's why Dakar cars break all the time. Enduro bikes too. That's why most winners of either usually walk to the finish line.

If you don't want to watch, take your complaints and watch tennis or something.

In the meanwhile, let us who don't mind enjoy the event. Thank you kindly.

the difference is that enduro bikes and dakar cars are made to withstand punishemnt...

modern rally cars are build around speed because all events apart from one are based on speed... and the stupid organisers make them do a worthless event... i doubt their development would be around to tackle a single event...

back to school now kid.

[Micke_VOC]

Guys do You also have wrong time in forum? It's 27 minutes late for me.

Did see that today when was reading some posts in the app tapatalk and the newest post was always 27 min away...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville stated his issue was not caused by the rough roads (on Friday) as all the parts were replaced in service before Saturdays stage.

As for Ogier, the off was the smallest of mistakes that 99/100 you would drive off undamaged in seconds.

Really bad luck for both of them.

I also agree with those saying the rally is not a problem and happy to have it to add to the variety the WRC should provide.

[mknight]

As for Ogier, the off was the smallest of mistakes that 99/100 you would drive off undamaged in seconds.

It's still his second retirement crash of the year. Neuville has 0, quite a change from last year.

Btw. Henning Solberg claims Ogier was putting some parts in wrong and he had to explain him how to do it properly during the repair.

[Indreq]

It's still his second retirement crash of the year. Neuville has 0, quite a change from last year.

Btw. Henning Solberg claims Ogier was putting some parts in wrong and he had to explain him how to do it properly during the repair.

haha maybe Ogier is not quite the mechanic we were led to believe :D I wonder what would the driver-as-mechanic ranking be among current crop? We know that Ott has worked as car mechanic in past, so probably he would be quite high in this ranking too.

[steve.mandzij]

haha maybe Ogier is not quite the mechanic we were led to believe :D I wonder what would the driver-as-mechanic ranking be among current crop? We know that Ott has worked as car mechanic in past, so probably he would be quite high in this ranking too.Meeke probably had some knowledge, but I reckon Latvala or Miikka must be at the very top of the workmanship standings.

On an unrelated note, I'm very excited about this rally. It's exciting to see an endurance race once again, even if it means few WRC cars at the end. It's a proper race against everything and was sorely missed in the WRC. However...

I'm against this rally counting towards JWRC. WRC drivers are more experienced and their cars much stronger than the R2 cars. For a junior title to be decided by luck, especially when in a championship where, with so few rallies, every rally counts, is almost cruel when you consider that many of the young drivers have placed their career hopes on a JWRC season. I'd have much rather put a rally decided on pace as their finale.

[Eli]

I know some of you guys don't like the fact that this rally is so rough. However, Imho it just goes to show, how the cars these days, as evolved as they are in terms of speed they have lost some of their ability to endure tough conditions such as the ones we see here in Turkey. If you look at the Ford Focus & Citroën C4 from 10 years ago and even the Polo back in 2013 (the last year to have Greece) they were quite robust. I think it's safe to say that these new generation of cars are based more on speed and who can blame them when you have only one harsh car breaker rally such as this. With all due respect to Sardegna and Mexico, both still aren't as tough as here or Acropolis or Cyprus and I'm not even gonna mention the fact that Safari might join in less than 2 years time....
One last thing, as someone here mentioned, the drivers themselves a part from Ogier, Sordo, Latvala, Ostberg aren't used to these type of tough & rough events.

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[the sniper]

I'm against this rally counting towards JWRC. WRC drivers are more experienced and their cars much stronger than the R2 cars. For a junior title to be decided by luck, especially when in a championship where, with so few rallies, every rally counts, is almost cruel when you consider that many of the young drivers have placed their career hopes on a JWRC season. I'd have much rather put a rally decided on pace as their finale.

I agree, Spain or GB would have been a better/fairer choice, particularly with it being the final JWRC round, but I've got to say that the current positions look pretty representative of the cream of the crop rising to the top. You talk about luck, but the top three in the rally currently are three of the top tenders in the championship, particularly when it comes to gravel...

[krissucool]

As for Ogier, the off was the smallest of mistakes that 99/100 you would drive off undamaged in seconds.

Really bad luck for both of them.



Now you are just trolling with this Ogier stuff.

[T16]

Now you are just trolling with this Ogier stuff.

Krissucool, have you seen Ogier’s off?

[pokey2014]

Rally Turkey seems to be really harsh for the new generation rally car

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[Ucci]

An event which you need to manage your speed can be nice, but this rally is just a car wrecker. Cars are being destroyed no matter the approach from the driver.

It is pointless to argue whether this event belongs to WRC calendar, the essence lies in the fact, that all top teams knew very well where they are going, so did the drivers and they should ADAPT the cars and driving approach to this kind of a car-breaker event. The mony is there, the knowledge too. Period.

[KKS]

Did Evans must be near Ostberg road position as he SupeRallying too?

[Mirek]

It is pointless to argue whether this event belongs to WRC calendar, the essence lies in the fact, that all top teams knew very well where they are going, so did the drivers and they should ADAPT the cars and driving approach to this kind of a car-breaker event. The mony is there, the knowledge too. Period.

Nice but You're acting like the event was made only for those 12 works cars but the entry field is not only made of works WRC cars - quite the opposite. I can guarantee that event like this will never be popular among other competitors because there is no pleasure in braking your car without actually racing. Imagine You're a junior R2T competitor. Why should You spend money on an event which is no joy to drive, which will cost you fortune and where there is low chance you'll even finish? After that people will cry that there are always 30-40 cars entered like if it was somewhere in Mexico. Cyprus organizers also found that the car braking stages are not what attracts competitors and instead came with other unique concept.

[Rallyper]

Morning. I was out Saturday afternoon. However had full coverage, but no forum... Yesterday was just unbeleviable...

Let´s see what will happen today.

[Rallyper]

Nice but You're acting like the event was made only for those 12 works cars but the entry field is not only made of works WRC cars - quite the opposite. I can guarantee that event like this will never be popular among other competitors because there is no pleasure in braking your car without actually racing. Imagine You're a junior R2T competitor. Why should You spend money on an event which is no joy to drive, which will cost you fortune and where there is low chance you'll even finish? After that people will cry that there are always 30-40 cars entered like if it was somewhere in Mexico. Cyprus organizers also found that the car braking stages are not what attracts competitors and instead came with other unique concept.

Best words so far!

+10

[Rallyper]

I´ll be quiet after this one.

Technically Ogeir maybe could persuade some WRC2 drivers to step down (e.g. MSport) and gain maybe 8 th? What do we think of that?

Edit: No. Silly of me. Thinking those thoughts...

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!


the fire is coming
https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/1041174571628601344



#RallyTurkay #Tyre info - Final Day

All Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 6 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 except Ogier: 5 MICHELIN LTX ForceH4 and Qassimi: 6 MICHELIN LTX Force M6

[René]

It is pointless to argue whether this event belongs to WRC calendar, the essence lies in the fact, that all top teams knew very well where they are going, so did the drivers and they should ADAPT the cars and driving approach to this kind of a car-breaker event. The mony is there, the knowledge too. Period.

The money is there, the knowledge too But where is the sport? where is the talent of the drivers? where is the performance?
From the very first day, the cars were so shaken that the rest was predictable. When chance replaced talent, the show replaced the performance. Then, to see these cars, jewels of technology, slaughtered, it saddens me..... But I respect your point of view

[mknight]

I´ll be quiet after this one.

Technically Ogeir maybe could persuade some WRC2 drivers to step down (e.g. MSport) and gain maybe 8 th? What do we think of that?

Edit: No. Silly of me. Thinking those thoughts...

He will prbly catch Kajetanowicz and MSPORT will then for sure drop Evans down so he gets 1 point.

[Mk2 RS2000]

haha maybe Ogier is not quite the mechanic we were led to believe :D I wonder what would the driver-as-mechanic ranking be among current crop? We know that Ott has worked as car mechanic in past, so probably he would be quite high in this ranking too.. Hayden would have more knowledge and experience than many who work on his car

[AL14]

Tanak should not be under pressure from Latvala...

SUN 10:32 - SS14: TÄNAK
The rally leader is fastest by 2.0sec on the cleaning road to extend his overall lead to 15.1sec. "I'm focused hard. Let's see how it goes. It looks like Jari-Matti doesn't want to slow down too much!

[Rallyper]

Tanak should not be under pressure from Latvala...

SUN 10:32 - SS14: TÄNAK
The rally leader is fastest by 2.0sec on the cleaning road to extend his overall lead to 15.1sec. "I'm focused hard. Let's see how it goes. It looks like Jari-Matti doesn't want to slow down too much!

Maybe, but not in the results.

Ostberg good for my FantasyWRC points !!

[T16]

Henning's a legend, always makes me smile.... "maybe a small beer"

[TWRC]

haha maybe Ogier is not quite the mechanic we were led to believe :D I wonder what would the driver-as-mechanic ranking be among current crop? We know that Ott has worked as car mechanic in past, so probably he would be quite high in this ranking too.
Henning is quite a good mechanic himself, I remember one Rally Sweden when he took of the alternator off of his Fiesta WRC and repaired it roadside, put it back on and continued like nothing happened... :D

[Simmi]

Henning's a legend, always makes me smile.... "maybe a small beer"

I would love to be on the beers with Henning tonight in Marmaris!

[Carbon]

https://i.imgflip.com/2i1mel.jpg

[EstWRC]

MIkkelsen lost 34 secs on ss15?

he was only 6 down in final split

[krissucool]

No picture from stage 15????

[KKS]

Again for Mikkelsen... it never ending story

[KKS]

EstWRC are you still alive after that Ott moment? )

[Eli]

Again for Mikkelsen... it never ending story

what happened to Mikkelsen?

[dimviii]

what happened to Mikkelsen?

just taking it easy.

[KKS]

what happened to Mikkelsen?
I thought it was a puncture again.

[Simmi]

Some interesting tactics and small stories today. Ogier fight for points, Elfyn penalties?, tyre saving, Power Stage approach and the manufacturers battle. Could seem like a nothing day on paper but I'm interested to see what happens.

[mknight]

For PS the approach for the top 5 overall will be interesting yes.
Think Toyota will leave it up to Tänak and he will try. Latvala will likely take it easy as well as Paddon (who didn't seem to have the speed for top 3). Other big question is Mikkelsen, he could take points of Tänak, but Hyundai said before that manu is priority.

[EstWRC]

wtf, why is Evans starting before Tänak now?

[Oliverk]

wtf, why is Evans starting before Tänak now?

5 mins early check in to start before Seb in powerstage

[cali]

Evans booked in 5 min early

[KKS]

wtf, why is Evans starting before Tänak now?

lol... tactics +5 min early for Evans

[deephouse]

What for, if M-Sport will sack him he is stupid as shit...

[mknight]

Just as predicted. Everything to get Even the smallest advantage.

[Simmi]

Evans has certainly indebted himself massively to M-Sport this season. Just swallowed everything they've thrown at him and asked him to do. Makes me think he'll be with the team next year.

[dimviii]

Evans has certainly indebted himself massively to M-Sport this season. Just swallowed everything they've thrown at him and asked him to do. Makes me think he'll be with the team next year.

next year maybe they dont need somebody who will ease his pace to number 1 driver.

[KKS]

Evans has certainly indebted himself massively to M-Sport this season. Just swallowed everything they've thrown at him and asked him to do. Makes me think he'll be with the team next year.
Same as Latvala

[deephouse]

Evans has certainly indebted himself massively to M-Sport this season. Just swallowed everything they've thrown at him and asked him to do. Makes me think he'll be with the team next year.

I have a feeling he doesn't have any offer at all. And M-Sport is waiting for Seb to decide.. If he will go Elfyn will surely stay.. Otherwise I don't know, he is not apreciated in the team just like Breen in Citroen.

[BigWorm]

So they have already given up on the Manu championship

[Simmi]

So they have already given up on the Manu championship

I think the gap is too big for them now so it makes sense.

[Simmi]

I have a feeling he doesn't have any offer at all. And M-Sport is waiting for Seb to decide.. If he will go Elfyn will surely stay.. Otherwise I don't know, he is not apreciated in the team just like Breen in Citroen.

Reminds me a lot of cycling. Elfyn in the domestique role for M-Sport. Whole team focused around a single leader.

[deephouse]

So they have already given up on the Manu championship

I doesn't change anything. Suninen will bring 12 points and Evans would 8 (Ogier will bring now instead of him). Citroen have their drivers far away at the bottom. Toyota and Hyundai are better..

[Mirek]

This whole last day is ridiculous.

[jonkka]

M-Sport makes every gesture to demonstrate to Seb that they will serve his every need (apart from pouring money that they don't have into development), that is only logical given team's situation.

[jonkka]

This whole last day is ridiculous.

Sundays often are.

[KKS]

typical WRC Sunday

[deephouse]

Every stage could be rewarded for points so that would bring competitevness for all three days...

[jonkka]

Every stage could be rewarded for points so that would bring competitevness for all three days...

All days don't have same number of stages, all stages aren't the same and running order largely decides who can and can't fight for stage honours. So no.

[Mirek]

Sundays often are.

It's getting naturally worse and worse as the end of the season closes.

I stand my point from many years a go that giving few bonus points for whole last leg instead of for power stage alone would bring way more interesting events than this.

[deephouse]

But it's stupid for every rally on every sunday to just waiting for powerstage... And then there are 3 drivers who really gives everything. Rest are just driving to the end...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Unfortunately Evans has done nothing performance-wise all season and made lots of mistakes too. Obeying team-orders is the least he can do.

[RS]

But it's stupid for every rally on every sunday to just waiting for powerstage... And then there are 3 drivers who really gives everything. Rest are just driving to the end...

Why not just give everyone a fresh set of tyres for the PS?

[wrc2017]

typical WRC Sunday 2 day rallys.

[wrc2017]

Unfortunately Evans has done nothing performance-wise all season and made lots of mistakes too. Obeying team-orders is the least he can do.
He is not going to be in factory seat next year is he.

[dnb]

He is not going to be in factory seat next year is he.

replaced by who? and if ogier leaves?

[Rallyper]

replaced by who? and if ogier leaves?

Tidemand? Meeke? Lappi?

[Simmi]

No one is complaining about the final day format when you have a climax like Sardinia for example. Not all events are made equal. In the larger context of rallying final day cruising is nothing new either.

I'm surprised about the negativity to be honest.

[Simmi]

Tidemand? Meeke? Lappi?

At least two of those would actually require paying.

[AnttiL]

No one is complaining about the final day format when you have a climax like Sardinia for example. Not all events are made equal. In the larger context of rallying final day cruising is nothing new either.

I'm surprised about the negativity to be honest.

Yeah. Finland had also battles to the seconds and Germany was quite dramatic. And now people say it's a "typical WRC Sunday"

[jonkka]

I stand my point from many years a go that giving few bonus points for whole last leg instead of for power stage alone would bring way more interesting events than this.

It's slightly better idea than points per stage but even legs aren't equal so it would penalize some drivers more than others. We have enough whining about road position already and unless that is satisfactorily resolved (not possible in my opinion unless we can recruit half-a-dozen ex-champions to do the road cleaning), points per legs isn't a feasible solution.

Currently, Sunday is shortest day (apart from first day if it's SSS like it mostly is) for a good reason. It's a parade but still you have to survive it. And there usually are at least one fight to follow - and the PS. Two day rallies aren't a solution either, what we need is seven day rallies and 52 of them. Only too much is enough is my motto.

[AnttiL]

Like I said earlier, Turkey Sunday is the shortest of the whole season at 35 km. For example Germany had more than double the amount. But in general the lengths of the events are the same so this means Turkey just loaded more length to Friday and Saturday, obviously with having four 34-38 km stages. And I think it was good for this event.

Also worth mentioning that Gökce, the latest stage just run was the fastest of the rally with the winning average speed at 92.5 km/h. The overall winner's average speed is at 78.2 km/h right now, making it clearly the slowest rally of the season (Mexico 88, Sardegna 89, Monte 90, Argentina 92, Portugal 93 km/h)

I also have to say I like the idea of having one slower and rougher rally in the calendar. The team with the most durable car can shine, and also drivers who can manage a more sensible speed.

[Rallyper]

New tyres for PS is an option who makes Sundays more competitive I guess, like Mirek said.

[Essaj]

Change power stage into a power day so sundays stages would be like a sprint rally in a rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Brilliant TV coverage for Chris Ingram on the power stage. :)

[Tauri_J]

Tidemand? Meeke? Lappi?

Meeke lol

[deephouse]

Meeke lol

Meeke could replace Ogier if he will go after Citroen. They can't attack only with Evans and Suninen...

[Mirek]

New tyres for PS is an option who makes Sundays more competitive I guess, like Mirek said.

That was RS who post that, not me ;)

[Tauri_J]

Meeke could replace Ogier if he will go after Citroen. They can't attack only with Evans and Suninen...

M-Sport would go to money making mode

Malcolm would never hire Meeke, if the drives for free...then all bets are off, but thats a big if

[deephouse]

M-Sport would go to money making mode

Malcolm would never hire Meeke, if the drives for free...then all bets are off, but thats a big if

Was that question asked for McRae too... When he raise his reputation after title with Subaru...

[Mirek]

Kopecký in the finish spoke about the title being close. If everything is as planned, i.e. Tidemand drives 6 events and only Wales remains than Kopecký is a champion already. Let's see when some official press release is out.

By the way it's five victories of five events for Jan this season while two of those events were gravel ones. Also eleventh victory in a row overall from all events he started (since second place in Catalunya 2017).

[Rallyper]

Very good from Thierry!

[BigWorm]

Flat out, nice stage from him

[Tauri_J]

Was that question asked for McRae too... When he raise his reputation after title with Subaru...

dont live on the past, times have changed

meeke is now the only car wrecker in the WRC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Power Stage system is weird.. top placed drivers cant push so hard and risk their o/a points.

Maybe it should be seperate like a Golden Stage and the time not added to the rally total, only driven for points...

[deephouse]

dont live on the past, times have changed

meeke is now the only car wrecker in the WRC

But he is the only one that could win more than one event besides Latvala, Tanak, Ogier, Mikkelsen, Neuville and Loeb

EDIT: BTW he would be way more cheaper than Ogier, and if he could manage to stay on the road (Citroen isn't the best driveable car out there). He could challenge the top...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wild from Ogier but to no avail.

[Mirek]

Ogier looked to be far behind the limit. Twice close to crash.

[Simmi]

Power Stage system is weird.. top placed drivers cant push so hard and risk their o/a points.

Maybe it should be seperate like a Golden Stage and the time not added to the rally total, only driven for points...

That's precisely the reason I like it. It's all about risk/reward. By upping the points I think they've got it just about right. Because before with just 3, 2, 1 it probably wasn't worth that extra mad push.

[Mirek]

Hats off to the old man Henning!!!

[RS]

Kopecký in the finish spoke about the title being close. If everything is as planned, i.e. Tidemand drives 6 events and only Wales remains than Kopecký is a champion already. Let's see when some official press release is out..

Looks like not, SM just tweeted they won the WRC2 teams title already, nothing about drivers title.

This is all pretty messy, I would like to see title won on the stages and not in a press release.

[Zeakiwi]

Did Henning get the car started?

[BigWorm]

Did Henning get the car started?

Yes, they pushed the car

[Simmi]

If we're just throwing ideas out there maybe incorporating power stage points into the manufacturer championship total in some way might see them push a bit more. But I'm happy enough with how it is now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only the Rally2 driver's pushed on the PS as they had nothing to lose.

[BigWorm]

Very complete now, is Ott. Well done!

[Indreq]

Who could have thought that Toyota would be toughest car in Turkey....

[AL14]

So how are rankings now? Tanak 15 points behind Neuville?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Who could have thought that Toyota would be toughest car in Turkey....

Possibly because their driver's drove them accordling to the conditions. Or they just had some luck.

[cosmin_sb]

first points for Tempestini in WRC

[Oliverk]

Dictator is shadowing the podium drivers

[cali]

So how are rankings now? Tanak 15 points behind Neuville?Neuville 177
Tänak 164
Ogier 154

[wrc2017]

Neuville 177
Tänak 164
Ogier 154

Tanak will win title.

[Indreq]

Heh, i was hoping to see how they spray champange on president, no luck here.... :D

[Rallyper]

YEEEESSSS! Emil Bergkvist wins the Juniors title!! A very well earned title. Let´s hope he gets a brilliant 2019 in WRC2.

[RS]

Kind of went unnoticed but Kajto set some good times today, shame about his power steering problems this rally.

[Rallyper]

Kind of went unnoticed but Kajto set some good times today, shame about his power steering problems this rally.

I had Kajto in FantasyWRC... And Seb, Ott and Mads...

[Indreq]

I know its not quarantee of anything but with 3 rallies to go points from last 3 rallies:
Neuville 28
Ogier 32
Tänak 87

:D

[mknight]

Who could have thought that Toyota would be toughest car in Turkey....

Indeed, 1-2 from the event where they were expected to be both slow and unreliable. But it's rally. They were expected to do well in Sweden and the opposite happened. Similar with Citroen having terrible Corsica.

Rest of season is wide open.

[N.O.T]

stupid rally... glad its over !!!

GO TANAK !!!!!

[Jarek Z]

Kind of went unnoticed but Kajto set some good times today, shame about his power steering problems this rally.

Not only today, Kajto won 9 stages in WRC2 throughout the whole rally. Shame about his power steering problems indeed.

[PLuto]

Not only today, Kajto won 9 stages in WRC2 throughout the whole rally. Shame about his power steering problems indeed.

Everybody (not only) from WRC2 had problems during the rally. This event was mainly about good combination between speed and safety.

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnNu2JXX4AA0rl_.jpg:large

[flykas]

Rally was getting very interesting till half point. Really good fight between Ogi and Neuville, but than it dissolved. Also sad to see two small mistakes almost destroying the chances of Seb. However championship fight is very interesting at the moment.

[scn]

I can guarantee that event like this will never be popular among other competitors because there is no pleasure in braking your car without actually racing. Imagine You're a junior R2T competitor. Why should You spend money on an event which is no joy to drive, which will cost you fortune and where there is low chance you'll even finish?

I have participated as a driver in three Acropolis rallies with a small FWD car and I can guarantee you that what you say is very far from true. There is great driving pleasure and excitement in trying to go fast on such roads. And even the overcoming of problems when you work as a mechanic offers excitement that today's soft rallies don't offer.
As a driver I would love to participate in Turkey (although I can't because my car is not new and it can participate only in national championship rallies).
As a spectator, I just promised myself to go to Marmaris next year. I know well that if you sit on fast sections you can see great things as the cars are almost all the time "up on the air".
As a Greek I would prefer to have Acropolis in the calendar, of course. But I know from the inside that this is not going to happen in the following years because of lack of money, so I welcome Turkey and I wish it remains in the calendar. A rally of this kind is needed.

[Tarmop]

Sure you enjoy them, when you have grown up on them and don`t have other roads.

[Jarek Z]

Guys, did you see this situation? Yazeed al Rajhi stops Burak Çukurova on a special stage and asks to give him a lift :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n26_pd5hGls

[Simmi]

You have to go back to 2012 for the last time Ogier was this low in the championship battle. First or second in the championship ever since.

[Jarek Z]

I have participated as a driver in three Acropolis rallies with a small FWD car and I can guarantee you that what you say is very far from true. There is great driving pleasure and excitement in trying to go fast on such roads. And even the overcoming of problems when you work as a mechanic offers excitement that today's soft rallies don't offer.


I agree with Mirek. If there is such a great driving pleasure and excitement, why do those survival rallies always have the worst entry lists (usually 30-40 crews)?

[Zeakiwi]

Al Rajhi bbqed the fiesta.

https://youtu.be/klx3lZV_CSI

[AnttiL]

You have to go back to 2012 for the last time Ogier was this low in the championship battle. First or second in the championship ever since.

Or when he had three consecutive non-podiums

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

stupid rally... glad its over !!!

GO TANAK !!!!!I thought you hate Toyota with passion..:D

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk

[dnb]

Al Rajhi bbqed the fiesta.

https://youtu.be/klx3lZV_CSI

@2:15 Jazeed also driving at someone's trunk?

[scn]

I agree with Mirek. If there is such a great driving pleasure and excitement, why do those survival rallies always have the worst entry lists (usually 30-40 crews)?

Entry lists are affected by many factors. Logistics of transport and country's financial condition are the most important. Greece, Turkey and Cyprus are very far from the center of Europe, so the logistics are much harder. Also, the condition of their economy is very far from good. However, 65 participants in this year's Acropolis (including locals of course) is not a small number, especially if you consider the awful condition of Greek economy. Surely they are less than the 120 participants fifteen years ago, but the number is not small for the current conditions.
I am not going to try to persuade anyone about what I said. Take a small car and participate in such a rally and you will see what I mean. Personally I prefer Acropolis than all softer rallies here in Greece. And I am sad that I don't have a car that can participate in Turkey next year.

[dnb]

Can anyone young enough enter JWRC? Bergkvist already had 10 starts in wrc2 (+ 2 with opel adam r2).

[Indreq]

@2:15 Jazeed also driving at someone's trunk?

It was Ken Torn.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mäkinen's Toyota now leads the Manufacturer's Championship. Great job considering they are the newest WRC team.

They seem to have added reliability to their speed and their cars are now a complete package.

[PLuto]

I agree with Mirek. If there is such a great driving pleasure and excitement, why do those survival rallies always have the worst entry lists (usually 30-40 crews)?

It is mainly about the costs. I know that drivers doing Acropolis and Cyprus in ERC really enjoy the events, but you must spend more money to repair the cars after the events...

[PLuto]

Can anyone young enough enter JWRC? Bergkvist already had 10 starts in wrc2 (+ 2 with opel adam r2).

Yes, anyone young enough can enter JWRC... With Emils experience he was biggest favourite of JWRC, but I expected he will be more masterful.

[Mirek]

I have participated as a driver in three Acropolis rallies with a small FWD car and I can guarantee you that what you say is very far from true. There is great driving pleasure and excitement in trying to go fast on such roads. And even the overcoming of problems when you work as a mechanic offers excitement that today's soft rallies don't offer.
As a driver I would love to participate in Turkey (although I can't because my car is not new and it can participate only in national championship rallies).
As a spectator, I just promised myself to go to Marmaris next year. I know well that if you sit on fast sections you can see great things as the cars are almost all the time "up on the air".
As a Greek I would prefer to have Acropolis in the calendar, of course. But I know from the inside that this is not going to happen in the following years because of lack of money, so I welcome Turkey and I wish it remains in the calendar. A rally of this kind is needed.

Of course there are people like You but I stand my ground. There is very clear correlation showing that very rough events don't attract a lot of crews be it Turkey, Acropolis, Sibiu (in IRC times) or in the past Cyprus.

[SubaruNorway]

It's rough alright!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2195512540662432&set=a.1606819872865038&type=3&theater

[tommeke_B]

@Mirek, Also a fact is that all events you mention have relatively weaker national rally-scene than other countries for example. When Bulgaria (smooth tarmac) was in WRC it had no more entries than Turkey or Acropolis had... In the French gravel championship we see the most demanding events have as much, if not more, entries than some other events that are not car wreckers.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier reply to Meeke's tweet:

Thanks Kris!😉
We cannot say there was no action this weekend... a bit too much for me but I’ll keep fighting💪 until the end as hard as I fought with this wishbone...😜
Hope to see you soon fighting with us again!

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Tanak, Jarveoja and Toyota. Nice job from Neuville on the PS and despite the silly off it will be hard to forget Ogier epic win on SS10; what a show! Overall, it’s great to see we’ll probably have a big title fight till the end of this season last stage.

Btw, those complaining about Ogier or Neuville getting good results when they are more cautious in some events should look at the way Tanak behaved on this one and stop the BS. Rally it isn’t about luck; it’s about merit and Tanak, like Ogier or Neuville in other occasions, had the merit to avoid troubles and be in a good place to benefit from others mistakes.

[Rally Power]

My 2 cents on the rally roughness: it has been overrated. People perception was somehow influenced by some random images or footage (since the SD), the number of retirements or tire punctures (forgetting that some of them occurred in smoother roads and most punctures were due to WRC2 proved tire weakness) and the use of long twisty stages (which are tough by definition).

This said, there’s no doubt that Friday stages were quite rough (as many others in the WRC) but some sections (mainly mid of SS2/5 and end of SS3/6) were simply unbearable and should never been part of a modern rally; let’s hope next year those will be avoided.

[Indreq]

i am wondering if this was good thing or bad that in addition to being twisty, rough roads were also quite narrow. I believe Latvala mentioned before event that due to narrow roads there are less options to avoid things and choose other lines. But i believe this also kept speed down and at low speed drivers have more chance to react to stuff and avoid big problems. Similar roughness at 100+kmh is quite a bit more dangerous to car than at 60kmh.

[Rallyper]

Yes, anyone young enough can enter JWRC... With Emils experience he was biggest favourite of JWRC, but I expected he will be more masterful.

One could think that he should outpace all others. But there´s so many factors here. In my opinion this is/was his last chance of anything on an international basis. He took it, handled it and won. Nothing is done until it´s done. And he did it.

With so many talented youngsters it´s not drive and win.

However he did manage it and in the last round (I hate to say it) he was the guy who managed speed and consistency and endurance in the best way under the really hard circumstances this rally offered for these R2 cars.

Very well deserved victory for Emil, and it will be interesting seeing him next year. Hopefully without the heavy economic pressure he will perform like the pace he has.

[Rallyper]

It's rough alright!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2195512540662432&set=a.1606819872865038&type=3&theater

Talking about Emils´ performance...

[Mirek]

My 2 cents on the rally roughness: it has been overrated. People perception was somehow influenced by some random images or footage (since the SD), the number of retirements or tire punctures (forgetting that some of them occurred in smoother roads and most punctures were due to WRC2 proved tire weakness) and the use of long twisty stages (which are tough by definition).

From this interview (only parts related to the topic translated by me): https://sport.idnes.cz/jan-kopecky-turecka-rallye-rozhovor-dv0-/motorsport.aspx?c=A180916_142648_motorsport_tof


Question: How difficult was the Turkish rally which returned to the championship after eight years?

Kopecký: I have mixed feelings from it. It was an extreme event which I didn't enjoy a lot. One is afraid if the car endure that even when Fabia is really tough and can endure a lot. I was thinking about tyres, not to puncture them or wear them to the canvas. It's not the most enjoyable driving then. Everybody wants to come back to the old times of rally but those are long gone. The rules are different, the cars are different and the conditions as well. Who compares that doesn't know what he's talking about.

Question: What was crucial for the success in Turkey?

Kopecký: To get to the finish one needs some racing, thinking and luck. There was not much of racing, only in sections which were clean and it was clear that there was no risk of damage to the car. That was maximum one half of the event.

Question: Some drivers called the event a survival. Do You agree?

Kopecký: For sure it was a difficult rally. it wasn't possible to go flat out. In that case the risk of retirement was enormous.

Question: In WRC You won in the category for the fifth time of five starts. What's behind that?

Kopecký: A big thanks belongs to Škoda. They built a really robust car which has nearly no technical problems. We haven't had any technical issue which would cause a retirement. I can't remember something like that. I am enormously happy about those five victories. But again I have to repeat that I have very mixed feelings from Turkey. Already after the test on Monday the car looked after fourty kilometers like after a whole rally. That's just braking the machinery. Novadays when everyone tries to save money such an event is senseless. I don't want to dissimulate, I didn't enjoy the weekend very much. I felt myself more comfortable in all previous events than here.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I hope I wasn’t missed in the forum but this rally was awesome to attend! Minimal spectators but excellent access points for those who attended.

The scenery was epic and of course the competition!

Who would have thought Tanak to win again and the two other boys out!


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[EstWRC]

WUUUHHUUUUUUUUU! wow, couple of years ago I didnt even dream about 3 wins in a row.


He didnt have the speed this weekend but the patience really paid off!


Im ok with ONLY one rally in the calendar being rough one, something different to others. But if I could choose between Turkey or Poland, Turkey - New Zealand...then I would definitely choose Poland or New Zealand.

[dimviii]

crash of Torn
https://twitter.com/TorAndreBorrese/status/1041261548818378752

[janvanvurpa]

From this interview (only parts related to the topic translated by me): https://sport.idnes.cz/jan-kopecky-turecka-rallye-rozhovor-dv0-/motorsport.aspx?c=A180916_142648_motorsport_tof


Booo fawkin Hooooo.....Maybe he should switch to asfalt circuits...no bumps..

This bullsh*t "the cars have changed" drives me nuts..Yes that have changed, they now have un-godly amount of suspension travel and extrmemly high quality suspension---I manufacture suspension I know what it was like 20-25 years ago..220mm travel max..
So the cars have GREAT suspension and body shells they spend 5 to 7 times more man-hours reinforcing and caging and modifying....

And this man complains about "it's too rough" ?
What the fawk?

What does he want? Every event identical? Perfectly perfect stages every km so its merely full gas all the time..

Yes the WRC has changed...its full of softies and whingers.
Closeted circuit racers maybe..

[Jarek Z]

From this interview (only parts related to the topic translated by me): https://sport.idnes.cz/jan-kopecky-turecka-rallye-rozhovor-dv0-/motorsport.aspx?c=A180916_142648_motorsport_tof

Kajetanowicz said something similar like Kopecky on Friday:

"The second loop looked like a huge pile of stones, with route charted through it – and we have to drive on it. Even with extreme caution, it was quite easy to get a puncture and we also suffered. I think it would be really difficult to find someone who did not have any problems. You have to take a really unusual line on these roads, sometimes we have to weave on the straights. The road is unbelievably destroyed."

[mknight]

I saw part of the TV coverage with Anders Grøndal as commentator. He believed that Ford and Hyundai breaking more than Toyota might have to with the setup. Toyota possibly opting for stiffer setup to avoid bump-trough and reasoning it would also explain why Toyota drivers were complaining about lack of grip on friday.

[RS]

Very well deserved victory for Emil, and it will be interesting seeing him next year. Hopefully without the heavy economic pressure he will perform like the pace he has.

Was prize a Fiesta R5? I can’t quite remember.

[deephouse]

Yes, and I think free gas entry fee and tyres. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

[mknight]

Looked on the onboard from Mikkelsen from SS11 where he got the issues.

18s into the stage he has first massive oversteer on corner exit (it's like 3rd shaper corner). 35s in he starts complaining loud that the car is behaving very strange.
Quite weird that a driveshaft/diff lasts 18s of the first stage seemingly without any big impact.

On shakedown he got gearbox/diff issue after 1 pass and I believe this is the same car that lost 2nd gear in first stage after service in Sardinia.

[dimviii]

you can loose a driveshaft even when launching the car at stage start.It just happens.

[m-ast]

So another "error" found in Junior Fiestas R2T, this time the external reservoirs of the dampers
http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Stewards-Decision-No.-8.pdf

[Tarmop]

I saw part of the TV coverage with Anders Grøndal as commentator. He believed that Ford and Hyundai breaking more than Toyota might have to with the setup. Toyota possibly opting for stiffer setup to avoid bump-trough and reasoning it would also explain why Toyota drivers were complaining about lack of grip on friday.

I think Mäkinen also said that.

[pantealex]

Was prize a Fiesta R5? I can’t quite remember.

Yes.
with paid entry to JWRC events (Sweden, Portugal and Finland were mentioned)
200 tyres
fuel covered

[Mirek]

Looked on the onboard from Mikkelsen from SS11 where he got the issues.

18s into the stage he has first massive oversteer on corner exit (it's like 3rd shaper corner). 35s in he starts complaining loud that the car is behaving very strange.
Quite weird that a driveshaft/diff lasts 18s of the first stage seemingly without any big impact.

On shakedown he got gearbox/diff issue after 1 pass and I believe this is the same car that lost 2nd gear in first stage after service in Sardinia.


you can loose a driveshaft even when launching the car at stage start.It just happens.

It's not strange at all. The biggest stress for the whole drivetrain comes at the start from zero speed. I would say that majority of drivestahfts and diffs get broken during starts or in first gear corners.

[mknight]

It's not strange at all. The biggest stress for the whole drivetrain comes at the start from zero speed. I would say that majority of drivestahfts and diffs get broken during starts or in first gear corners.

I though it was strange right after service if it was to be caused by an impact or wear. But I have no idea how much diagnostics they do in service (and how many sensors they have to monitor the health).

If it was just caused by a hidden manufacturing defect or something like that I get that it's not strange.

[SubaruNorway]

I though it was strange if it was to be caused by an impact or wear. But I have no idea how much diagnostics they do in service (and how many sensors they have to monitor the health).

If it was just caused by a hidden manufacturing defect or something like that I get that it's not strange.

Could maybe have something to do with them running the car higher than normal, causes more stress on the drive shaft joints due to the angle they are at.

Just out of interest, did anyone on here manage to drive the stages in a rental?

[Rally Power]

i am wondering if this was good thing or bad that in addition to being twisty, rough roads were also quite narrow. I believe Latvala mentioned before event that due to narrow roads there are less options to avoid things and choose other lines.

Actually, the parts I’ve mentioned (after a quick check on onboards) were quite narrow (the second is where Evans/Ostberg drama took place), resulting on a harsh combination of deep roots and big stones.


From this interview (only parts related to the topic translated by me): https://sport.idnes.cz/jan-kopecky-turecka-rallye-rozhovor-dv0-/motorsport.aspx?c=A180916_142648_motorsport_tof

Who am I to question Kopecky words, but from the onboards anyone can see that the most problematic sections of Friday stages weren’t that long and Saturday or Sunday SS’s were far less rough. What probably made his life harder was having to deal with a permanent rocky surface, once WRC2 tyres are still looking to be more prone to punctures.

[dimviii]

or in first gear corners.

specially with a lot of steering.

[Mirek]

I though it was strange right after service if it was to be caused by an impact or wear. But I have no idea how much diagnostics they do in service (and how many sensors they have to monitor the health).

If it was just caused by a hidden manufacturing defect or something like that I get that it's not strange.

Well, I think that there is no way how to find some internal cracks in the material during service stop because You can't do an X-Ray or ultrasonic scan there. You have to trust Your experience. The thing is that if there is a crack in the material already initiated it will most likely result in a breakage when there is the highest load. That is when there is the highest torque (acceleration on first gear from zero speed) or when there is high torque combined with an extreme angle of the driveshaft joint (full steering at jump landing as the most extreme case).


specially with a lot of steering.

Yes, I know that on asphalt with gr.N Civic You can nearly brake the driveshaft at will...

[Indreq]

specially with a lot of steering.

i am driving competitively off-road and there sure way to break driveshaft or diff is when slipping tire suddenly finds traction. Especially on low gears when lot of torque is applied. Could be similar thing on 1st gear corners also in rally - quite slowly rotating tires at full engine power (= huge torque applied) and if thread catches at some edge of embedded rock then it easily may break something. At higher speeds torque is substantially smaller. And torque is what breaks things.

[Indreq]

Yes, I know that on asphalt with gr.N Civic You can nearly brake the driveshaft at will...

True. Strangely, when i did some light hobby-rallying 2003-2007 (FWD Kadett GSI, 190hp) then most driveshafts i broke during winter, on spikes (swedish rally tire). Perhaps because i drove very little on tarmac...

[Ucci]

I also have to say I like the idea of having one slower and rougher rally in the calendar. The team with the most durable car can shine, and also drivers who can manage a more sensible speed.
100% agree! Rally is not a circuit racing and sometimes you need to lift the right leg....tactical approach.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq59W8iJJIo

[Rallyper]

100% agree! Rally is not a circuit racing and sometimes you need to lift the right leg....tactical approach.

Having said that, you must consider the small amount of competitors. Only those having enough money to spend on a car in an one off rally, more or less useless after such rally.

There´s been much talk like black and white. I´m not against different kinds of rallies, but much of what have been seen from Turkey isn´t in favour for more of this hard ad ruff kind of rallies.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

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Thierry Neuville tackles Ford and Ogier: "It gets a little heavy, their tactics"
*

Thierry Neuville perfectly accomplished his Sunday mission by winning, yesterday, the 5 bonus points of the ultimate Power Stage. "We drove absolutely," he exclaimed, pleased with himself, but was also upset about the attitude of Ogier and Ford.

*

He has not yet digested his abandonment the day before while leading the Rally Turkey: "We deserved to win here, we had prepared very well.We were the strongest, but a mechanical element in decided otherwise, we win together and we lose together ... "

Less than twenty-four hours after a left front suspension spring was passed through the hood of his Hyundai, Thierry gave us the reasons for the technical failure that cost him very big points. "One element of the shock absorber has unscrewed with shocks, not the fault of Hyundai but of our subcontractor (Editor's note: the company Ext)."

In the end, despite his withdrawal, the Belgian is still doing well by losing only 10 units, less than half of his advantage which remains 23 units on Seb Ogier and now 13 on Ott Tanak: "This could have been worse indeed, thanks to Seb for his mistake, we can see that he was not focused on the images, and now M-Sport has allowed him to recover a point by sacrificing Evans, who is starting to get some. This shows that Seb is afraid of not being able to gain his own strength.They do us honor, and I am convinced that if it is lost for him, he will prefer to help his friend Tanak for me not to be a champion. "

For his part, Hayden Paddon (3rd) and Andreas Mikkelsen (5th) have not been of any help for our compatriot. "I was hoping they would push a bit further into the Power Stage to at least take points in Tanak, the Estonian called me a cuckold in Germany, but what about him here? scratch (Editor's note: The Estonian actually signed two) when Ogier and I spun on Friday night. "

Bitter, Thierry Neuville balance. But claims to have as many chances of being crowned at the end of the year as before the Turkish event: "75%, that has not changed, we will be in England, we are going to have trouble in Spain. Australia, we will be competitive there too, but because of the sweeping phenomenon there, I would prefer to go to the championship final with 5 points behind 5 and to open the road on Friday. "

We are not there yet. There are still three races, 90 points to hand out and we now know that none of the three drivers started in the title race will be crowned in Wales in three weeks.

[N.O.T]

I cannot blame Neuville for being annoyed, to do this on one event its ok but ford is doing it all the time... maybe its in the mentality of the team to be both losers and cheaters... who knows.

[dimviii]

cant stop laughing watching this clip

https://twitter.com/fernischumi/status/1041585986134847490

[dimviii]

Citroen team principal Pierre Budar told Autosport: "We can confirm there was a leak in exhaust gas from the catalytic converter, but after that we don't know.
"We cannot talk more about what might have happened, because simply we don't know and the car was too badly damaged.
"We will investigate further when we get it back to the factory this week, but for now all we can say is that we had a failure with the catalytic converter - that much we do know."
Breen described the moments after the fire caught, and thanked rally winner Ott Tanak for trying to help.
"It's a heart-breaker," Breen told Autosport.
"I couldn't believe it, it just went so quickly.
"Ott was first there and as soon as I saw him I thought: 'He knows what it's like, he's the right man...' after he managed to save his car when it went up in Portugal a couple of years ago.
"Without a second thought, he gave us his extinguisher, which is a pretty big thing because it could potentially have compromised his event - but that's the kind of guy Ott is.
"Neither of the extinguishers touched it and in the end Ott had to pull me away from trying to chuck bottles of water on the thing. It was unbelievable."
Breen admitted he thought the situation was under control when he reached the end of the stage and the smoke had gone.
"We turned it into 'road' mode and that knocks the anti-lag off the turbo, so instantly the turbo's running a lot, lot cooler," he explained.
"With the heat of the event and everything, I thought we had burned through a heat shield or something like that."
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/138784/citroen-to-investigate-breen-cardestroying-fire

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier saying almost exactly what I did about his crash:

"Maybe the energy I used in the morning contributed to a certain lack of clarity, but the bottom line is that, between two very tight corners, I didn't take in one of Julien's pacenotes, I braked too late and we slid into a tree at 5kph.

"In 99% of cases this wouldn't have mattered at all, but that ground was very soft, so that the car sank into it as soon as I tried to move forwards."

[mknight]

https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lipssealed.gif copied from French forum

Bitter, Thierry Neuville balance. But claims to have as many chances of being crowned at the end of the year as before the Turkish event: "75%, that has not changed, we will be in England, we are going to have trouble in Spain. Australia, we will be competitive there too, but because of the sweeping phenomenon there, I would prefer to go to the championship final with 5 points behind 5 and to open the road on Friday. "


As he says in GB and Australia he should be able to fight for the win, with road sweeping mostly important in Australia.

But Spain is the key, he will likely still sweep the road on friday and unless a miracle happens with the new parts coming before Spain he won't have a chance on tarmac.
He can hope that Loeb will take the win (helped by road position on Friday) and take the 25 points from Ogier/Tanak.

[N.O.T]

As he says in GB and Australia he should be able to fight for the win, with road sweeping mostly important in Australia.

But Spain is the key, he will likely still sweep the road on friday and unless a miracle happens with the new parts coming before Spain he won't have a chance on tarmac.
He can hope that Loeb will take the win (helped by road position on Friday) and take the 25 points from Ogier/Tanak.

sweeping is not THAT important... he won from the front in Sardegnia and was leading in turkey after the sweeping stages... if he wants to be champion he must learn to win from the front.. Loeb did it all the time.

starting from the front is more of an excuse than a real reason to lose a rally apart from some rare cases.

plus running first or 2nd is not a huge difference... roads start to clear after 4-5 cars.

[mknight]

Ogier saying almost exactly what I did about his crash:

"Maybe the energy I used in the morning contributed to a certain lack of clarity, but the bottom line is that, between two very tight corners, I didn't take in one of Julien's pacenotes, I braked too late and we slid into a tree at 5kph.

"In 99% of cases this wouldn't have mattered at all, but that ground was very soft, so that the car sank into it as soon as I tried to move forwards."

While the off itself was a bit of bad luck you can question his tactics in that stage. At that point he was 4th, 8s behind Latvala, 9.8 behind Tanak and 46 behind Mikkelsen.
During the two morning stages without issues he beat Latvala by 50s, Tanak by 34s and Mikkelsen by 29s. Second run trough stages typically gives smaller gaps.

So he should have little issues catching Latvala and Tanak, while Mikkelsen would require maximum risk. Also at this point lots of cars already had issues including himself.

The Ogier of 2017 would have slowed down a bit, instead he seemingly went in about same speed as before, up on Tanak by 6s on last split before crash (half way trough stage). Like in germany on Saturday, he seems to have lost his cool calculated approach.

[Ucci]

Y
sweeping is not THAT important... he won from the front in Sardegnia and was leading in turkey after the sweeping stages... if he wants to be champion he must learn to win from the front.. Loeb did it all the time.

starting from the front is more of an excuse than a real reason to lose a rally apart from some rare cases.

plus running first or 2nd is not a huge difference... roads start to clear after 4-5 cars.
Finally some smart words from N.O.T!! Totally agree....

[dimviii]

Neuville goes even further, saying that Ogier could take advantage of his good relationship with Ott Tanak to influence the fight for the world crown. "I am sure that if he realizes he is no longer in the race, Ogier will be able to do everything possible to favor his friend Tanak," he said. "Seb has never hidden that he appreciated Ott, in any case much more than me! He never fails to put it forward, history probably to jostle me a little".

A tactic that could demonstrate a certain mental fragility? "I think that's the proof that he's not really happy with what's going on, and today, playing team tactics is a great recognition for our performance, when you start playing like that. is that you are afraid of not being able to win by your own abilities, "says Neuville.
https://www.rtl.be/sport/tous-les-sports/auto-moto/thierry-neuville-incendie-sebastien-ogier-et-ott-tanak-apres-le-rallye-de-turquie-1059996.aspx?dt=12:24


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[mknight]

Meh it's just Neuville, he's a bit of an a-hole. But there is some truth that Ogier likes Tanak more than him.

[Integrale]

Neuville goes even further, saying that Ogier could take advantage of his good relationship with Ott Tanak to influence the fight for the world crown. "I am sure that if he realizes he is no longer in the race, Ogier will be able to do everything possible to favor his friend Tanak," he said. "Seb has never hidden that he appreciated Ott, in any case much more than me! He never fails to put it forward, history probably to jostle me a little".

A tactic that could demonstrate a certain mental fragility? "I think that's the proof that he's not really happy with what's going on, and today, playing team tactics is a great recognition for our performance, when you start playing like that. is that you are afraid of not being able to win by your own abilities, "says Neuville.
https://www.rtl.be/sport/tous-les-sports/auto-moto/thierry-neuville-incendie-sebastien-ogier-et-ott-tanak-apres-le-rallye-de-turquie-1059996.aspx?dt=12:24


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Neuville should grab more opportunities to shut his mouth. This is getting ridiculous. Even if he is right, there's no point in stating it like that. He better wins this championship or he'll be the laughing stock for years to come.

[the sniper]

But there is some truth that Ogier likes Tanak more than him.

Is there anybody outside of Belgium who doesn't like Tanak more than Neuville...? :D

[Indreq]

Is there anybody outside of Belgium who doesn't like Tanak more than Neuville...? :D

maybe few people in Hyundai team? ;)

[Tarmop]

Well, they had a chance few years back to bring him in themselves, but only offered half a season.

But yeah, classic Neuville, offends others and is then offended from a small raillery (it wasn`t "fcking bastard", it was "lucky bastard").

[AL14]

Lol Neuville being Neuville

[AL14]

I wonder how much percentage does he think he has the probability to win this year

[Tarmop]

Previous page, 75%, like before Turkey.

[AL14]

Previous page, 75%, like before Turkey.

Lol!

[Päss1928]

Well, they had a chance few years back to bring him in themselves, but only offered half a season.

But yeah, classic Neuville, offends others and is then offended from a small raillery (it wasn`t "fcking bastard", it was "lucky bastard").

It was "fucky lucker" iirc and that's a bit too much imo.

[Tarmop]

If you are real softy...which he shouldn't be, comparing foreign citys with dark holes and constantly claiming that he is the best.

[Indreq]

IMHO it was bit colourful expression from Ott. Usually his responses are even boring, like on this rally - we heard many times same story: not fastest will win etc. And obviously he has quite annoying "parasite" words obviously. But now it seems that Neuville is feeling the stress, he is whining even more than he usually does - he should have won, Ogier going to help Tanak, Tanak calling him names etc.

[JUF]

Is there anybody outside of Belgium who doesn't like Tanak more than Neuville...? :D

Me :). But I like them both.

[Rallyper]

Isn´t it a journalist recalling Neuvilles´words? Or is it from the horses mouth?

I believe some upset 24 h after the event is acceptable. When they meet next time they are still friends as usual. And it´s like it should be.

Remember, the drivers are not in Formula One.

[Tarmop]

Well, "fcking bastard" bit seems directly from Neuvilles mouth, because a) he is clearly the only one to bring it up now b) it`s inaccurate

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnSYGr8WwAA9Wjv.jpg

[Rally Power]

Isn´t it a journalist recalling Neuvilles´words? Or is it from the horses mouth?

I believe some upset 24 h after the event is acceptable. When they meet next time they are still friends as usual. And it´s like it should be.

Remember, the drivers are not in Formula One.

You're probably rigth. According to French forum members the journo that write the piece is not a reliable source.

[bomber21]

Hello, these are some of the photos I took while in Turkey. I was in SS 1, 4, 6, 9 ,13, PS.
Myriads of people in SSS, few people in the mountains.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/893c5a551b1511418ff08c99a21c4246/tumblr_pf9omfHSY81smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/8fdf1bfb462c436b5c53d4ae9373c00d/tumblr_pf9omggCSX1smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/e1c61d8bf04ef8282434c3c98103f850/tumblr_pf9omgIVEr1smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/efb02b24bdd757f83e384cdd0f199708/tumblr_pf9omhsiUB1smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/41e8988f93da5bbb49718206d4216276/tumblr_pf9omiVGEa1smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/cb1fb1ee6c7c030829e61e489bf15c88/tumblr_pf8uncZnOW1smt3mt_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/351711e1ec8416b72ba6c6dc28a17314/tumblr_pf8ufzZhnN1smt3mt_400.gif

https://78.media.tumblr.com/65736fa3e4f1bd70cab23adccc89e8e9/tumblr_pf8ul4KruE1smt3mt_400.gif

[EstWRC]

onboard of Tänak on SS7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsd2wYCBgUg

[AnttiL]

onboard of Tänak on SS7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsd2wYCBgUg

At 5:40 there's a very rocky and rough section, up with the roughest sections of the rally. Remember this is the second run of the stage.

EDIT: Also, this is the slowest non-super-special stage of the rally. Ott does most of the stage with 2nd gear.

[Oliverk]

Sure would be boring stage to watch.

[EstWRC]

Suninen onboard SS12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aRDuTz7eWs

[the sniper]

This official video gives a better impression of how Ken Torn got it wrong. He wasn't alone either, Greensmith got away with it and Ott had a lucky moment too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ItdDi5oS4o&t=0s

[Marcco]

This official video gives a better impression of how Ken Torn got it wrong. He wasn't alone either, Greensmith got away with it and Ott had a lucky moment too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ItdDi5oS4o&t=0s

This video shows how driver evolves in rallying JWRC>WRC2>WRC :D

[sonnybobiche]

Not sure if it was mentioned earlier, but this great rally really needs a better trophy for next year. Knight figurines are cool or whatever, but honestly, that's not a trophy.