[WRC] 86th Rallye Monte-Carlo 2018 (Jan 22-28)

[tommeke_B]

does somebody know, is the 2019 edition of rally monte carlo again based in gap. if I remember correctly there was a discussion of going back to valance and the ardeche region.

There were rumors that Monte Carlo would go back to Valence for 2017, but it hasn't happened. I think there's no reason to assume the rally would leave the Gap region for the moment.

[A FONDO]

The guy at 1:00 :laugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2wXF7qCUY

[Mirek]

The guy at 1:00 :laugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2wXF7qCUY

IMHO this guy was even better, especially his RPM limiter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mhn8LYOdEQ :D

[A FONDO]

Haha crazier indeed, first time I see someone do this. Gotta check the suggested clips on the right too :D

[Simmi]

does somebody know, is the 2019 edition of rally monte carlo again based in gap. if I remember correctly there was a discussion of going back to valance and the ardeche region.

I'm sure I saw a French news tweet earlier this week saying the rally would remain in Gap for 2019. Like tommeke said no reason for it to change really.

[dimviii]

It's good to note that the PS is actually pretty bumpy stage therefore I would say the problems with C3 are not that much related to the suspension (at least tarmac one) but rather to the diff setup or geometry.

imho the major problem is at slippery stages(asphalt/gravel),not bumpy.

[dimviii]

The Belgian co-driver came back on this incident, as well as on those who enamelled the race of their rival Sébastien Ogier, who has the flair to always go to the fault "in the good place".

"We were trapped at the outset in a very delicate part, but it is very important to score points on each event, so we are happy to have achieved this goal, said Nicolas Gilsoul at the microphone. Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special correspondent in the south of France, we were also able to show our speed and consistency afterwards, which bodes well for the rest of the championship. Sebastien Ogier rally? No, it's NOT his rally, he made more dumplings than us, with all the respect I have for Julien (Ingrassia, his co-driver, Ed) and Sébastien. There are two peeled and three sheared, one of which holds his GoPro instead of pushing the car, and when it happens to him, there are fifty spectators and they come right away. good time !"

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_gilsoul-quand-on-se-plante-il-y-a-deux-peles-et-trois-tondus-quand-c-est-ogier-ils-sont-50?id=9824133

[itix]

8 early arrivals to TC is not because of narrow roads or spectators...True... That is surprising for a world level event.

[ESTR]

The Belgian co-driver came back on this incident, as well as on those who enamelled the race of their rival Sébastien Ogier, who has the flair to always go to the fault "in the good place".

"We were trapped at the outset in a very delicate part, but it is very important to score points on each event, so we are happy to have achieved this goal, said Nicolas Gilsoul at the microphone. Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special correspondent in the south of France, we were also able to show our speed and consistency afterwards, which bodes well for the rest of the championship. Sebastien Ogier rally? No, it's NOT his rally, he made more dumplings than us, with all the respect I have for Julien (Ingrassia, his co-driver, Ed) and Sébastien. There are two peeled and three sheared, one of which holds his GoPro instead of pushing the car, and when it happens to him, there are fifty spectators and they come right away. good time !"

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_gilsoul-quand-on-se-plante-il-y-a-deux-peles-et-trois-tondus-quand-c-est-ogier-ils-sont-50?id=9824133

Well same opinion about that one.

[Andre Oliveira]

Baby cry

[mknight]

Mikelsen had absolutely no idea what he is doing this weekend, a miracle he reached the finish somehow!

WHAT?

You been watching some different rally?
Retired from 3rd place due to alternator. Fastest on Saturday leg. Cruising for PS on Sunday and took 3 points.

Number of mistakes: 2 (overshoot on SS3, and spin SS9 which he still won by 22s).

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Btw this last statistic would certainly be interesting. I don't think anyone is below 2 (Ogier had the spin on SS1 and then the ditch on Friday), Neuville is on 8+

[doubled1978]

imho the major problem is at slippery stages(asphalt/gravel),not bumpy.

For sure you are correct, if they had a problem in the bumpy sections last year, that seems to have been improved. I said last year, the rear end of the C3 is loose, and when the tyres cant hold on the driver is always on a knife edge to keep it all pointing the right way.
Its not a coincidence that on the 1 proper dry stage Meeke was the fastest.

[Eli]

does somebody know, is the 2019 edition of rally monte carlo again based in gap. if I remember correctly there was a discussion of going back to valance and the ardeche region.

I remember I saw in a french website on Thursday they just agreed to have the rally again in Gap in 2019. There were some talks about going to Valance a couple of years back but at then end as you can see we are staying in the champions land.

[A FONDO]

WHAT?

You been watching some different rally?
Retired from 3rd place due to alternator. Fastest on Saturday leg. Cruising for PS on Sunday and took 3 points.

Number of mistakes: 2 (overshoot on SS3, and spin SS9 which he still won by 22s).

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You didn't even bother watching RedBull's review to see him smashing through some peasants' front yard. Let alone multiple times going wide at exit of corners, at places where nobody else (first 20 or so cars) did it.
Watch more clips, kiddo, and go to bed early today.

[SubaruNorway]

Mikkelsen had absolutely no idea what he is doing this weekend, a miracle he reached the finish somehow!

Third when he retired, fastest on leg 2 by 12 sec and one small spin makes you not have a clue what you are doing...?

Edit: mknight wrote it already but doesn't hurt to repeat it.

[dimviii]

Classic clipping the bank with the front of the car is he? Or is he losing the rear

front wheels at fresh snow(more adhesion) rear wheels at less adhesion,late on gas at exit =spin.

[bassist]

Points standings after Monte - http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=121

I bet Kris can't believe his luck with 17points. Lappi's mistake and fastest time on power stage. Bet he will take that !!!!

[T16]

For sure you are correct, if they had a problem in the bumpy sections last year, that seems to have been improved. I said last year, the rear end of the C3 is loose, and when the tyres cant hold on the driver is always on a knife edge to keep it all pointing the right way.
Its not a coincidence that on the 1 proper dry stage Meeke was the fastest.

Doesn’t look too much like they have put any money into developing it, rather just kicked on with a view to seeing what they can pick up in (what’s probably) their last year.

Meeke looks like a broken man already.

Just hoping Peugeot pick up the baton, especially now the WRC seems gaining some of its former strength.

[dimviii]

I bet Kris can't believe his luck with 17points. Lappi's mistake and fastest time on power stage. Bet he will take that !!!!

as he mentions at citroen racing final press confernce,yes he admits that he cant believe it.
The laughable is that citroens plans for power stage, was maximum points for Breen, while Kris has to hold his position.
Nothing went as they planned.

[T16]

For sure you are correct, if they had a problem in the bumpy sections last year, that seems to have been improved. I said last year, the rear end of the C3 is loose, and when the tyres cant hold on the driver is always on a knife edge to keep it all pointing the right way.
Its not a coincidence that on the 1 proper dry stage Meeke was the fastest.


as he mentions at citroen racing final press confernce,yes he admits that he cant believe it.
The laughable is that citroens plans for power stage, was maximum points for Breen, while Kris has to hold his position.
Nothing went as they planned.

Why would they plan it to have Breen collecting more points?

[mknight]

You didn't even bother watching RedBull's review to see him smashing through some peasants' front yard. Let alone multiple times going wide at exit of corners, at places where nobody else (first 20 or so cars) did it.
Watch more clips, kiddo, and go to bed early today.

That's the overshoot on SS3 that I mentioned, but collecting stuff together is too hard for brainiacs like you, much easier to just spam random insults.

[Morte66]

I bet Kris can't believe his luck with 17points. Lappi's mistake and fastest time on power stage. Bet he will take that !!!!

As a Meeke fan, who thought "oh well that's that" at the end of day one, I'm quite pleased with this rally. Not so bad.

[dimviii]

Why would they plan it to have Breen collecting more points?

probably they fear Kris to told him for max attack. lol

[mknight]

As a Meeke fan, who thought "oh well that's that" at the end of day one, I'm quite pleased with this rally. Not so bad.

Meeke did what I thought was impossible from him. The only stage where C3s had top pace was the dry PS (both runs).

But he kept it together and just by staying on the road and not making big mistakes it's 4th place!! That's what I was missing from him before and especially last year, settling for some "worse" result instead of binning it. If he can repeat that and takes the wins where C3 is strong (sure looks strong for Corsica based on the PS here), he might be somewhere near the top of the championship by the end of the year.

[T16]

probably they fear Kris to told him for max attack. lol

Cheers, makes sense.

[T16]

For sure you are correct, if they had a problem in the bumpy sections last year, that seems to have been improved. I said last year, the rear end of the C3 is loose, and when the tyres cant hold on the driver is always on a knife edge to keep it all pointing the right way.
Its not a coincidence that on the 1 proper dry stage Meeke was the fastest.


as he mentions at citroen racing final press confernce,yes he admits that he cant believe it.
The laughable is that citroens plans for power stage, was maximum points for Breen, while Kris has to hold his position.
Nothing went as they planned.


probably they fear Kris to told him for max attack. lol


Meeke did what I thought was impossible from him. The only stage where C3s had top pace was the dry PS (both runs).

But he kept it together and just by staying on the road and not making big mistakes it's 4th place!! That's what I was missing from him before and especially last year, settling for some "worse" result instead of binning it. If he can repeat that and takes the wins where C3 is strong (sure looks strong for Corsica based on the PS here), he might be somewhere near the top of the championship by the end of the year.

I reckon he will be in a better place with a new team boss, rather that the previous chap, who seemed to do everything to demotivate him.

Different mindset will hopefully enable him to drive with his head more than last year.

Saying that, even if he does this, the car might be so bad that even getting a fifth or six on some rally’s might be seen as a ‘result’.

[dimviii]

Ogier mentions again the new meteo guy. Bluuford have made a mess.lol

We had some changes in the team, some new engineers, a new meteo forecaster who is unfortunately from Estonia – that’s why we got it wrong sometimes! No, I mean when we know how hard it is, we have to congratulate all of them, they have all tried as hard as they can.

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-seb-ogier-once-again-it-was-huge-challenge

[Bartek]

I highly recommend to watch onboards from SS9 (Ogier had few big moments, especially this where he destroyed rim)

[spiderem]

end of SS12 on redbull TV, ogier gets the gifts from the french dude and complain about tricky conditions, and end up saying "l'annee prochaine je suis plus la" which means next year i wont be here...

[AL14]

The Belgian co-driver came back on this incident, as well as on those who enamelled the race of their rival Sébastien Ogier, who has the flair to always go to the fault "in the good place".

"We were trapped at the outset in a very delicate part, but it is very important to score points on each event, so we are happy to have achieved this goal, said Nicolas Gilsoul at the microphone. Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special correspondent in the south of France, we were also able to show our speed and consistency afterwards, which bodes well for the rest of the championship. Sebastien Ogier rally? No, it's NOT his rally, he made more dumplings than us, with all the respect I have for Julien (Ingrassia, his co-driver, Ed) and Sébastien. There are two peeled and three sheared, one of which holds his GoPro instead of pushing the car, and when it happens to him, there are fifty spectators and they come right away. good time !"

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_gilsoul-quand-on-se-plante-il-y-a-deux-peles-et-trois-tondus-quand-c-est-ogier-ils-sont-50?id=9824133

Poor Jilsoul, too much time with Neuville has affected him.

[dimviii]

Neuvilles moment from new angle

https://www.facebook.com/284272841621633/videos/1581705898544981/?hc_ref=ARTP8TDsPL7BYELE7Eiop31E2Hp9SSEB8Gbqq8qAcv 2PBJPmjC_oxfhT_MY4VLhQi8A

[PLuto]

De Mevius obtained penalty 19 minutes because weight of his battery was not correct...

[dimviii]

De Mevius obtained penalty 19 minutes because weight of his battery was not correct...

http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.6.pdf

[Tarmop]

end of SS12 on redbull TV, ogier gets the gifts from the french dude and complain about tricky conditions, and end up saying "l'annee prochaine je suis plus la" which means next year i wont be here...

And in the post-event conference he hinted that he still has Loeb`s achivement to beat...
Probably retiring will be on the table this year too, but hopefully he he decides to continue again.

[Mirek]

De Mevius obtained penalty 19 minutes because weight of his battery was not correct...

That's exactly to place him last behind Suninen. In that case Kopecký won by nearly 23 minutes...

[A FONDO]

Dams snow fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FVnF8WvYRQ
Davideo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHWpWnuU87E

[mousti]

That's exactly to place him last behind Suninen. In that case Kopecký won by nearly 23 minutes...

Yes it's again a joke with those penalties

[dimviii]

including huge crash of Sarrazin
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24766-rallye-monte-carlo-2018-big-crash-mistakes-lot-of-show/

[Rally Power]

My 2 cents on RMC: it was really great see it with All Live coverage; stunning PS from Meeke; sad finish for Lappi; congrats to Kopecky and Bonato (RC4 winner); Rovanpera consistency impressed (first RMC never easy) and so Franceschi speed (RC4 initial leader).

Overall, Ogier in champ mode, Tanak as main contender, Neuville wasting chances, the others a step behind…will this be WRC picture all year long? We’ll probably know better from the next one; bring on Sweden!

[EstWRC]

Awesome flat out place again https://instagram.com/p/BegRIasBNeV/

Is there a YouTube version of it perhaps ?

[dimviii]

Awesome flat out place again https://instagram.com/p/BegRIasBNeV/

Is there a YouTube version of it perhaps ?

the logo at video reminds me the ''passats de canto'' logo.Search at youtube for their channel/videos.

edit must be another uploader.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rallyciak

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJVTiIJteA

[Rally Hokkaido]

De Mevius obtained penalty 19 minutes because weight of his battery was not correct...

I read the Steward's decision and I think it is strange. The normal penalty for car non-compliance with regulations is disqualification, even if there was no obvious advantage gained.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJVTiIJteA

Yassss. Thanks.

Shame he has only Meeke and Tänak, I would have loved to see every car in that place

[Eli]

http://www.auto-moto.com/actualite/sport/wrc/monte-carlo-wrc/linda-jackson-directrice-citroen-156741.html

An interesting interview with Linda Jackson here @ the Monte-Carlo, saying their program in the WRC is until the end of 2019, have we heard that before or not?

[mknight]

My rally review:

M-Sport:
Ogier as expected, hard to judge how things have changed relative to others speed-wise from end of last season. Faster and more at home in the car than at Monte last year for sure. Quite a few moments but most had them.

Evans all in all very good performance and better than I expected. That said it is a bit of a reality check to those that said he will fight for title in any car this year, don't think he's there just yet. Also remember that historically tarmac is his best surface.

Boufier Ok, specially considering the co-driver issue. But shows that "local specialists" might have a hard time jumping in with little experience with the cars.

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Toyota:
Certainly look like the main manu favorite now.

Tanak
Star of the rally. I was warning for half of last year that the move to Toyota is risky and he might end like Martin. Certainly doesn't look bad now even though it's just one rally. Moves him up as the main title contender with Ogier and Neuville.

Latvala
Slower than Tanak in the vast majority of stages. Result is good but wonder how it will work inside the team if this continues.

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Citroen:
Encouraging result, but apart from the clear dry tarmac stage(s) they always looked like the slowest of the 4 cars.

Meeke
Again have to praise him for staying on the road and settling for worse result instead of the charging of last year.
Breen
Decent times when things work, big problem with road position on Saturday.

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Hyundai

Neuville
The mistake on Friday was very similar to what Meeke, Breen, Tanak and Latvala all did at that stage, so a bit unlucky there. That said on Saturday he was over-pushing a lot of times with at least 4-5 moments and that nearly cost him the position against Evans. Excellent on Sunday in the conditions.

So for him last year continues, he just seems to try too hard and is unnecessarily stressed.

Mikkelsen
Obviously very unlucky with the technical issue. Looking at times (without sunday cruise) he'd be fighting around Tanak's position, which is a big improvement for him with Hyundai on tarmac compared to where he was in Spain.

Sordo
Well it's one mistake but on a tricky place where you really should watch out . He was matching Ogier in splits at that point in stage so it's not like he was taking it easy.
More so it came when he was the only Hyundai in decent points and it follows what happened last year. At this point in his career it's not like he's hired to show speed, he is there to ensure good points from those rallies. Instead just like last year he gets bad results on "his" rallies because of pushing too much (last year Germany and Spain).

[mknight]

http://www.auto-moto.com/actualite/sport/wrc/monte-carlo-wrc/linda-jackson-directrice-citroen-156741.html

An interesting interview with Linda Jackson here @ the Monte-Carlo, saying their program in the WRC is until the end of 2019, have we heard that before or not?

Think they said it before about 3 year program.

Some interesting bits:

- "Hiring Ogier or Mikkelsen was not the question of budget" LOL, well maybe she is right and they refused to drive the C3 no matter what money Citroen offered. But Matton said they didn't had money for Mikkelsen when Hyundai offered him a spot.

- "Current commitment gives them enough publicity" That kind of says it all, they rather use Loeb for a few rallies than getting 3rd car cause they know they won win champ. anyway

- "Commitment past 2019 will depend on results in 2018" Looks like we have to hope for miracles then.

[AnttiL]

I think Evans on Michelins was surprisingly similar as his 2017 season.
- Winning stages at times
- Off the pace at times
- Losing positions on Sunday
- Being overtaken by Neuville on PS
- Finishing 6th

[Mintexmemory]

Interesting that only 3 of 114 pickems predicted the correct 1-2. Nobody got 1,2,3 but one person had Ogier, Latvala,Tanak. Nobody else got all the podium placed drivers in any order.

[Rallyper]

Interesting that only 3 of 114 pickems predicted the correct 1-2. Nobody got 1,2,3 but one person had Ogier, Latvala,Tanak. Nobody else got all the podium placed drivers in any order.

Maybe wrong topic.
Not happy with result, even though I pointed 7 out of 8 in the scoring. However on wrong places.
I did better on FantasyWRC with topscoring points out of over 500 contenders. :) :)

[pantealex]

Maybe wrong topic.
Not happy with result, even though I pointed 7 out of 8 in the scoring. However on wrong places.
I did better on FantasyWRC with topscoring points out of over 500 contenders. :) :)

Place 101 is very good ;)

[Rally Power]

http://www.auto-moto.com/actualite/sport/wrc/monte-carlo-wrc/linda-jackson-directrice-citroen-156741.htmlAn interesting interview with Linda Jackson here @ the Monte-Carlo, saying their program in the WRC is until the end of 2019, have we heard that before or not?

The 3 years involvement was told at the beginning of the C3 campaign and has been repeated by Citroen officials, but people are always more eager to speculate than checking the facts. It has been also announced that each PSA brand will have only a major motorsport program and Peugeot will be involved in WRX for a long time.

Btw, thanks for the link. From Mrs. Jackson answers we sadly got to know that she hasn’t understood that cost cuts aren’t the best option when fighting for a motorsport title.

[Eli]

The 3 years involvement was told at the beginning of the C3 campaign and has been repeated by Citroen officials, but people are always more eager to speculate than checking the facts. It has been also announced that each PSA brand will have only a major motorsport program and Peugeot will be involved in WRX for a long time.

Btw, thanks for the link. From Mrs. Jackson answers we sadly got to know that she hasn’t understood that cost cuts aren’t the best option when fighting for a motorsport title.

A. I wasn't sure about their involvement, that's why I asked, B. your'e welcome C. let's hope they'll magnage to stay into the next decade...

[Rally Power]

A. I wasn't sure about their involvement, that's why I asked, B. your'e welcome C. let's hope they'll magnage to stay into the next decade...

A. The speculation remark wasn’t meant to you in particular; even some journos have been spreading that nonsense about Peugeot returning, B. please keep sending interesting links, C. ...and beyond!

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUqUZh6XkAEeiQW.jpg:large
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[EstWRC]

sorry guys i just cant get enough of this place, some different angles in this video,

flaaaat ouuuuut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T4P11EyIA4&feature=youtu.be

[Mintexmemory]

Maybe wrong topic.
Not happy with result, even though I pointed 7 out of 8 in the scoring. However on wrong places.
I did better on FantasyWRC with topscoring points out of over 500 contenders. :) :)
Clearly FantasyWRC is a broken system ��

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interesting that only 3 of 114 pickems predicted the correct 1-2. Nobody got 1,2,3 but one person had Ogier, Latvala,Tanak. Nobody else got all the podium placed drivers in any order.

Predictions are pointless in rallying... there are so many variables, it's pure guesswork.

And all you so-called experts on here... you're no better than the mere fans.

[T16]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie WRC;1170241]Predictions are pointless in rallying... there are so many variables, it's pure guesswork.

I’m not so sure it’s pure guess work.
You think all the chaps who chose Ogier just guessed?

[spyros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJCldxhSmPs

its already posted but look at 2.54

[Rallyper]

Clearly FantasyWRC is a broken system ��

What do you mean? Don´t get it. Maybe my bad english.

[Mintexmemory]

What do you mean? Don´t get it. Maybe my bad english.

I'm being mischievous - if you won a round of a prediction game ........

[steve.mandzij]

My rally review:

You forgot Lappi there ;) IMO he was the most impressive driver, second to Tanak. I doubted his tarmac pace a little bit after Finland last year but even with minimal experience and on tarmac of all surfaces he still managed to almost snatch 4th. Not only is he a quick driver but he's also fairly reliable when on a mission to finish his rallies.

However, this year's Monte was a horrible metric on which to form assumptions for the rest of the year. The changeable weather left massive gaps between most drivers very early on and except for Neuville climbing to fifth no drivers pushed. The rally didn't give us a benchmark for flat out pace nor for survival pace. It was an endurance event where many drivers kept it clean waiting for everyone else to make a mistake.

(to be fair what I said above is in reference to Latvala's pace :) he was consistently slower than Tanak, yes, but still finished third and made it constantly clear that his goal was to finish the rally safely.)

I think Sweden and Mexico will be proper showcases of the cars' speed and the drivers' ability, and after those rounds we'll be able to predict the outcome of the year.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[Rallyper]

I'm being mischievous - if you won a round of a prediction game ........

Aaaschaaa!! ;)

[dimviii]

https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27066835_10215428435770502_7461751774925474905_n.j pg?oh=3450c2e1ba86e7c4ed92821f504458f5&oe=5B24E481

[SubaruNorway]

Seems like Top Gear recorded something in Monaco today, hopefully Chris Harris got to try one of the cars.

[mknight]

You forgot Lappi there ;) IMO he was the most impressive driver, second to Tanak. I doubted his tarmac pace a little bit after Finland last year but even with minimal experience and on tarmac of all surfaces he still managed to almost snatch 4th. Not only is he a quick driver but he's also fairly reliable when on a mission to finish his rallies.


Uhhh, I knew something didn't look quite right.

I agree he did quite good times especially compared with Latvala, beeing barely a bit slower than him. However he was luckier than most, with perhaps the most dangerous "survived" off that led to the puncture, could just easily have rolled there. Really interesting they didn't show the off in the highlights, only the puncture like it came out of nowhere.

I can partly understand the error on the PS, he was not risking anything for the team, only points for himself, so why not push a bit.

All in all better than expected.

[mousti]

Latvala was very hungry..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180129/26b30aa8ad18625cc0b46af7904e4dba.jpg

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk

[dimviii]

limiters
https://youtu.be/rOwXTr5bdvc

[A FONDO]

Pixel Nikara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoax7zC6ko 8:08 mikelsen almost killing a bunch of people

[SubaruNorway]

Pixel Nikara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoax7zC6ko 8:08 mikelsen almost killing a bunch of people

And Lappi didn't? What's your issue with Norwegians?

[Rally Power]

Come on guys. Let's not start another storm in a cup of tea.

[STI69]

Come on guys. Let's not start another storm in a cup of tea.

+1
Seams like a fighting year also here in forum, not only on the WRC stages. Next level is fights between fans like in football. Let's reset this sh*it now and carry on with normal posts.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/42870-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2018/

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2018/mes_montecarlo_04.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2018/dwi_18-01mon_tanak0013.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2018/rna_3h5a9468.jpg

[Integrale]

Pixel Nikara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoax7zC6ko 8:08 mikelsen almost killing a bunch of people
I hope that guy made a nice photograph. He's risking his life for it.

[A FONDO]

I hope that guy made a nice photograph. He's risking his life for it.

It's a video actually, but I don't remember the name of the uploader.

[drive]

Pixel Nikara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoax7zC6ko 8:08 mikelsen almost killing a bunch of people

cmon, was that outside corner 'safe place to stand/watch from'?? lets ask FIA... maybe FIA will ban MC rally... or take away points from all drivers as event wasnt safe..

[EstWRC]

for estonians, Tänak special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixVX8flfNes
Ogier special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AkeSpIhRpI

[AL14]

Latvala was very hungry..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180129/26b30aa8ad18625cc0b46af7904e4dba.jpg

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Is this after the arrival? If so then it's ok, otherwise I really don't understand why professional driver don't give too much attention to what they eat during rallys. I saw many of them eating sandwiches for lunch, some even hamburgers. In a sport where you have to be focused and enhance reflexes, I'm pretty sure that a dedicated diet can help a lot.

[AnttiL]

Most likely this was at the finish, they are at Monaco in daylight.

Here's a good article of what Hayden Paddon eats during a rally https://www.redbull.com/int-en/wrc-rally-driver-nutrition

[TypeR]

Is this after the arrival? If so then it's ok, otherwise I really don't understand why professional driver don't give too much attention to what they eat during rallys. I saw many of them eating sandwiches for lunch, some even hamburgers. In a sport where you have to be focused and enhance reflexes, I'm pretty sure that a dedicated diet can help a lot.

maybe a dsq for 3-4 rallies? cuz MCd is so unhealthy..

[EstWRC]

yes it was after the rally.

[dimviii]

Camilli retirement
https://youtu.be/tkNpj2SyFpI

[the sniper]

Is this after the arrival? If so then it's ok, otherwise I really don't understand why professional driver don't give too much attention to what they eat during rallys. I saw many of them eating sandwiches for lunch, some even hamburgers. In a sport where you have to be focused and enhance reflexes, I'm pretty sure that a dedicated diet can help a lot.

If he walked to the McDonalds from there it's at least 10 minutes each way, that exercise burnt it off. ;)

[AL14]

If he walked to the McDonalds from there it's at least 10 minutes each way, that exercise burnt it off. ;)

Only with Coca Zero though!

[BigWorm]

Latvala was very hungry..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180129/26b30aa8ad18625cc0b46af7904e4dba.jpg

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Fast-food makes you drive faster

[Mr C1412]

Is this after the arrival? If so then it's ok, otherwise I really don't understand why professional driver don't give too much attention to what they eat during rallys. I saw many of them eating sandwiches for lunch, some even hamburgers. In a sport where you have to be focused and enhance reflexes, I'm pretty sure that a dedicated diet can help a lot.

Ban him, Tänak and any other f*ckers that like to have fun. F*ck the lot of them! Those Toyota boys are out of control. Tommy needs to get a handle on it before one of them looses it completely and ends up killing someone through their wreckless actions of living a normal life.

[Mr C1412]

In fact, ban rallying all together. The world will be a much safer place

[denkimi]

Why not ban cars altogether? That would improve everybody's safety.

[AL14]

Ban him, Tänak and any other f*ckers that like to have fun. F*ck the lot of them! Those Toyota boys are out of control. Tommy needs to get a handle on it before one of them looses it completely and ends up killing someone through their wreckless actions of living a normal life.

You obviously didn't get a bit of what I wanted to say.

[AL14]

Most likely this was at the finish, they are at Monaco in daylight.

Here's a good article of what Hayden Paddon eats during a rally https://www.redbull.com/int-en/wrc-rally-driver-nutrition

Very interesting article. I think every driver should listen to some expert as Paddon does with this one. Well maybe they already do it but I doubt everyone does since I saw some of them eating normal sandwitches between legs. On the other hand I knew that Bertelli had a chef among his team and a sort of kitchen in his stand if I remember correctly, but he is italian and that goes without saying :D

[AnttiL]

Very interesting article. I think every driver should listen to some expert as Paddon does with this one. Well maybe they already do it but I doubt everyone does since I saw some of them eating normal sandwitches between legs.

I remember reading an article of the Toyota Gazoo Racing chef and he said some services are so busy the drivers don't have time to sit down for a meal so they just replace it with sandwiches.

[Tarmop]

Most of them have training programs, team chef also prepares their menu according to their need. Some fast hydrocarbs to give them a boost on those days full of action isn`t comparable to getting fat behind the desk.

[Mintexmemory]

Bertelli would have had black truffle grated over his ragu d’anatra con pappardelle. Washed down by a good vintage of amorone

[AL14]

Bertelli would have had black truffle grated over his ragu d’anatra con pappardelle. Washed down by a good vintage of amorone

My friend if you cook pappardelle I strongly suggest you ragù di cinghiale (boar) instead of anatra :D.

Amarone is always welcome, cheers

[Mintexmemory]

My friend if you cook pappardelle I strongly suggest you ragù di cinghiale (boar) instead of anatra :D.

Amarone is always welcome, cheers
But a pasta with boar would make me want to shout ‘saaaaanglier’ before eating and I’d end up being ejected from the trattoria!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27066835_10215428435770502_7461751774925474905_n.j pg?oh=3450c2e1ba86e7c4ed92821f504458f5&oe=5B24E481

Ah, this is why Ken Block suddenly wants to do WRC again ! ;)

[bluuford]

Well, this was my first ever Monte Carlo rally and it was nice but very long  We arrived very late during Sunday night and I had 3 days of recce with Toni first and then with Martin and Kuldar. Nice. I found it really important to understand the weather to learn the stages etc.
Wednesday was really easy day, SD conditions were very easy for me.
Thursady evening was slightly more complicated but with Monday recce, I consider it was reatively easy for me and chosen tyre was right. But this night was crazy, it was long day and service very late and next day was expected to be the most tricky. So , engineers left around 2AM and I worked until 03:30 AM and was not still entirely satisfied. So, then I slept in service truck in sofa until 6AM when first engineers arrived and I also continued with my work.
Morning loop was almost OK, I think with better decision we would have been 5-7 sec faster in stage nr 4, but nothing serious.
Afternoon loop was perfect, all as expected.
By eveing, it was almost sure that next day will be snow and this was the message before the last service. Finally I had time to drive back to my hotel and take a shower. Then I slept an hour, woke up 10PM, took one beer with gravel crews and prepared Saturday until 2 PM, at 5PM I had breakfast and I drove to service where I started at 05:45.
Saturday morning was perfect, exactly as expected, preparation for that day was good. Afternoon was also perfect, no mistakes. We had some discussion regarding last stage with engineers and it was so, so, finally we agreed some kind of solution and it wokred out fine. Then I had to drive to Monaco, it was long drive, I arrived there around 10PM and then I had short discussion with engineers and little walk around the seaside, because I could not fell in sleep. So, finally I managed to mess up with alarm clock and I woke up when I had to start breakfast. So, no breakfast and run to Service instead. Weather was easy, but the extension of black ice was really big unknown factor for me. So, big thanks for the gravel crews once more. We managed to cover almost everything, when I had lack of info or not so clear info, they filled all the caps. Without them, the weather looked more like supersoft + soft but they convinced to play it safe, so, some studs were really good decision! Also for the second loop. So, On Sunday, I would say that I lacked a bit of preparation (no recce on those stages) and my hands were a bit short for such conditions.
Finally, I had to drive Nice to pick up Martin and Kuldar and I didn’t see the powerstage as our plane left just after 3PM already, otherwise, WRC all live is really nice addition!

By the way, Toyota team is really nice. Working with such a professionals is pure enjoyment! I like this "village" :P
PS! That other Estonian in M-Sport was doing quite OK, he made some mistakes, and I was able to see where he might make mistakes as he used same methods as I did before (well, he had to produce info in similar way as I did there, and quess what I changed my approach this year and went one step further, which is secret;)) but otherwise I rate his perfomance as quite OK :)
Interesting season will be ahead :)

[TypeR]

Well, this was my first ever Monte Carlo rally and it was nice but very long  We arrived very late during Sunday night and I had 3 days of recce with Toni first and then with Martin and Kuldar. Nice. I found it really important to understand the weather to learn the stages etc.
Wednesday was really easy day, SD conditions were very easy for me.
Thursady evening was slightly more complicated but with Monday recce, I consider it was reatively easy for me and chosen tyre was right. But this night was crazy, it was long day and service very late and next day was expected to be the most tricky. So , engineers left around 2AM and I worked until 03:30 AM and was not still entirely satisfied. So, then I slept in service truck in sofa until 6AM when first engineers arrived and I also continued with my work.
Morning loop was almost OK, I think with better decision we would have been 5-7 sec faster in stage nr 4, but nothing serious.
Afternoon loop was perfect, all as expected.
By eveing, it was almost sure that next day will be snow and this was the message before the last service. Finally I had time to drive back to my hotel and take a shower. Then I slept an hour, woke up 10PM, took one beer with gravel crews and prepared Saturday until 2 PM, at 5PM I had breakfast and I drove to service where I started at 05:45.
Saturday morning was perfect, exactly as expected, preparation for that day was good. Afternoon was also perfect, no mistakes. We had some discussion regarding last stage with engineers and it was so, so, finally we agreed some kind of solution and it wokred out fine. Then I had to drive to Monaco, it was long drive, I arrived there around 10PM and then I had short discussion with engineers and little walk around the seaside, because I could not fell in sleep. So, finally I managed to mess up with alarm clock and I woke up when I had to start breakfast. So, no breakfast and run to Service instead. Weather was easy, but the extension of black ice was really big unknown factor for me. So, big thanks for the gravel crews once more. We managed to cover almost everything, when I had lack of info or not so clear info, they filled all the caps. Without them, the weather looked more like supersoft + soft but they convinced to play it safe, so, some studs were really good decision! Also for the second loop. So, On Sunday, I would say that I lacked a bit of preparation (no recce on those stages) and my hands were a bit short for such conditions.
Finally, I had to drive Nice to pick up Martin and Kuldar and I didn’t see the powerstage as our plane left just after 3PM already, otherwise, WRC all live is really nice addition!

By the way, Toyota team is really nice. Working with such a professionals is pure enjoyment! I like this "village" :P
PS! That other Estonian in M-Sport was doing quite OK, he made some mistakes, and I was able to see where he might make mistakes as he used same methods as I did before (well, he had to produce info in similar way as I did there, and quess what I changed my approach this year and went one step further, which is secret;)) but otherwise I rate his perfomance as quite OK :)
Interesting season will be ahead :)

Cool that you share such information! Good luck! ;)

[SubaruNorway]

Are the MC winter tyre softer than the studded tyre?
So if there's just snow and slush you want the winter tyre, but for frost like on Thursday and Col De Turini you choose the studded.

[bluuford]

Cool that you share such information! Good luck! ;)

Well, I carefully look what I can share and what is not harmful for me or the team and is nice to read here:)

[EstWRC]

Awesome bluuford! So proud!

Continue this diary kind of writing :)

[PLuto]

Well, I carefully look what I can share and what is not harmful for me or the team and is nice to read here:)

I know this situation very well, sometimes is very difficult to find what should be published...

[A FONDO]

Well, this was my first ever Monte Carlo rally and it was nice but very long  We arrived very late during Sunday night and I had 3 days of recce with Toni first and then with Martin and Kuldar. Nice. I found it really important to understand the weather to learn the stages etc.
Wednesday was really easy day, SD conditions were very easy for me.
Thursady evening was slightly more complicated but with Monday recce, I consider it was reatively easy for me and chosen tyre was right. But this night was crazy, it was long day and service very late and next day was expected to be the most tricky. So , engineers left around 2AM and I worked until 03:30 AM and was not still entirely satisfied. So, then I slept in service truck in sofa until 6AM when first engineers arrived and I also continued with my work.
Morning loop was almost OK, I think with better decision we would have been 5-7 sec faster in stage nr 4, but nothing serious.
Afternoon loop was perfect, all as expected.
By eveing, it was almost sure that next day will be snow and this was the message before the last service. Finally I had time to drive back to my hotel and take a shower. Then I slept an hour, woke up 10PM, took one beer with gravel crews and prepared Saturday until 2 PM, at 5PM I had breakfast and I drove to service where I started at 05:45.
Saturday morning was perfect, exactly as expected, preparation for that day was good. Afternoon was also perfect, no mistakes. We had some discussion regarding last stage with engineers and it was so, so, finally we agreed some kind of solution and it wokred out fine. Then I had to drive to Monaco, it was long drive, I arrived there around 10PM and then I had short discussion with engineers and little walk around the seaside, because I could not fell in sleep. So, finally I managed to mess up with alarm clock and I woke up when I had to start breakfast. So, no breakfast and run to Service instead. Weather was easy, but the extension of black ice was really big unknown factor for me. So, big thanks for the gravel crews once more. We managed to cover almost everything, when I had lack of info or not so clear info, they filled all the caps. Without them, the weather looked more like supersoft + soft but they convinced to play it safe, so, some studs were really good decision! Also for the second loop. So, On Sunday, I would say that I lacked a bit of preparation (no recce on those stages) and my hands were a bit short for such conditions.
Finally, I had to drive Nice to pick up Martin and Kuldar and I didn’t see the powerstage as our plane left just after 3PM already, otherwise, WRC all live is really nice addition!

By the way, Toyota team is really nice. Working with such a professionals is pure enjoyment! I like this "village" :P
PS! That other Estonian in M-Sport was doing quite OK, he made some mistakes, and I was able to see where he might make mistakes as he used same methods as I did before (well, he had to produce info in similar way as I did there, and quess what I changed my approach this year and went one step further, which is secret;)) but otherwise I rate his perfomance as quite OK :)
Interesting season will be ahead :)

Thank you for this review, despite the exhaustion it must have been a great feeling to be with the team and tackle a challenge and successfully fulfil it.

Was this a one-off because of the specific nature of this event, or you are booked for next ones aswell?

[ziggysony]

My video from Rally Monte Carlo 2018 https://youtu.be/M9sBigvuzCU 1513

[br21]

Are the MC winter tyre softer than the studded tyre?
So if there's just snow and slush you want the winter tyre, but for frost like on Thursday and Col De Turini you choose the studded.

Winter and studded tires are exactly the same compound - same tire, just one is with the studs and other without.
Plus two slick compounds, super-soft (probably used only in Monte) and soft.

We did whole rally without using even one studded tire, mostly due to budget, but still managed to set pretty decent times on the slippery stages.

[AnttiL]

Kristian Sohlberg's VLOG part one from Monte Carlo, inspecting the conditions on Sisteron and Bayons-Breziers. Would have been better to see this before the rally https://vimeo.com/253244644

[spiderem]

So basically out of the WRC drivers, only Mikkelsen retired from the rally (for mechanical) and Sordo for crash? That is quite a low number especially considering it's Monte.
Every driver took the Ogier approach... hope it doesn't turn the season into no one is taking any risks anymore and they all "cruise" till the end.

[AnttiL]

So basically out of the WRC drivers, only Mikkelsen retired from the rally (for mechanical) and Sordo for crash? That is quite a low number especially considering it's Monte.
Every driver took the Ogier approach... hope it doesn't turn the season into no one is taking any risks anymore and they all "cruise" till the end.

It's just a part of Ogier's long-term tactics. He used all of 2017 to lure all his competitors into cruise mode so he can win all the rallies in 2018.

[bluuford]

Thank you for this review, despite the exhaustion it must have been a great feeling to be with the team and tackle a challenge and successfully fulfil it.

Was this a one-off because of the specific nature of this event, or you are booked for next ones aswell?

Yes, it was fun:) whole season, easier events from my office and more difficult events on site.

[steve.mandzij]

It's just a part of Ogier's long-term tactics. He used all of 2017 to lure all his competitors into cruise mode so he can win all the rallies in 2018.I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.

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[stefanvv]

Are the MC winter tyre softer than the studded tyre?
So if there's just snow and slush you want the winter tyre, but for frost like on Thursday and Col De Turini you choose the studded.

I see on the highlight there are tyres without studs, but holes made for them eventually. May be this answers Your question. There is a possibility those are used tyres with studs gone though.

[SubaruNorway]

I was just wondering since studless road tyres are softer than the studded ones.
Studdles fades really fast though, scared myself once only after a few corners on dry tarmac since it was suddenly like driving on marbles.

Did DJI stop doing WRC btw?

[stefanvv]

Perhaps it depends on the manufacturer?!?

[Watson]

It's just a part of Ogier's long-term tactics. He used all of 2017 to lure all his competitors into cruise mode so he can win all the rallies in 2018.

Actually I had a thought like that to. I don't think it's intentional but everybody repeating the mantra of just taking home points gives him the opportunity of opening the tabs a bit more.

[spiderem]

It's just a part of Ogier's long-term tactics. He used all of 2017 to lure all his competitors into cruise mode so he can win all the rallies in 2018.

Interesting indeed... let's see what Sweden brings in terms of risk versus good points. Ogier finished with 1min advantage the Monte, they may all use the same approach now, but they are not 5x champion with natural raw speed...

[Mirek]

I was just wondering since studless road tyres are softer than the studded ones.
Studdles fades really fast though, scared myself once only after a few corners on dry tarmac since it was suddenly like driving on marbles.

Don't know how it is now but at least few years back the Monte Carlo tyres without studs were actually pretty crappy on snow in comparison to anything except what was available for Monte. In 2010 we had Prague rallysprint with snow (on asphalt - so just like Monte) and no studs allowed. P.G. Andersson was using Monte tyres and he was completely destroyed by guys using stock winter tyres or even protector tyres with a 30-years old rally pattern (used by rallycars in 80'). P.G. himself told me the Monte tyres were really bad without studs exactly because they were too hard.

Check this stage (full snow technical stage quite similar to what You can find in RMC): https://rally-base.com/2010/tipcars-prazsky-rallysprint-2010/?ssId=343&ssGroupId=1

Less than 7 km and PG was 37 seconds slower without spinning or some other mistake. If I remember Valoušek - the fastest guy was on stock 18" wide Nokian WR tyres with additional hand cuts. I don't remember all other but Pech and Štajf were on very old narrow Matador non-studded snow rally tyres (the softest snow rally tyres ever produced I believe).

PS The stock Nokians were gone after 20 km if I remember.

[mknight]

Think that's why SubaruNorway is asking.

"Studless snow tire" can mean extremely different properties depending on the compound. Stock example since you mentioned Nokian would be the difference between studless Hakkapeliitta and the "Central Europe" WR D3. In full snow/ice conditions it is about as much of a step between them as there is between summer tires and the WR D3. But this also counts the opposite way if it's wet tarmac. The studless Hakkapeliitta feels like jelly compared with the WR D3.

[SubaruNorway]

Thank you for the story.
And and this is why i find watching the cars on snow in MC a bit of an anticlimax since i know i could go faster in my own STI in most places. (If I'm brave enough)
A third tyre option for full snow would be good and safer, i wonder if they have tried a stock Michelin winter tyre before to see how it works.

In America they use this funny thing called tractionizing if you haven't seen it before.
https://youtu.be/P5bnYgI30ZQ

[Essaj]

Does anyone know what was the trophy that Kalle received at the finish?

[AnttiL]

Does anyone know what was the trophy that Kalle received at the finish?

2nd of class RC2? My father-in-law has a trophy in his bookshelf for being third in 1000 Lakes Rally in the 80's in some small Group N class, but it's still a proper trophy.

[Essaj]

2nd of class RC2? My father-in-law has a trophy in his bookshelf for being third in 1000 Lakes Rally in the 80's in some small Group N class, but it's still a proper trophy.

But the trophy is bigger than Jan's :confused: https://twitter.com/MotorsportSkoda/status/957656616668684288

[Hartusvuori]

But the trophy is bigger than Jan's :confused: https://twitter.com/MotorsportSkoda/status/957656616668684288

No, Kalle is smaller - still growing.

[Hartusvuori]

Rallirinki picture gallery from RMC
https://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rallye+Monte+Carlo+2018/

[pantealex]

Does anyone know what was the trophy that Kalle received at the finish?

He was best privateer. (Driving with TGS car)

[Fabian Gaukler]

Check out this video with many crashes from Rally Monte Carlo including a completely slippery passage at Col de Turini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKsFOUIPnA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The truth from Meeke ... they were nowhere on pace:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2018/meeke-monte/page/5188--12-12-.html

This is why I said stage-winners Evans or Neuville deserved to finish above him.

[Essaj]

The truth from Meeke ... they were nowhere on pace:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2018/meeke-monte/page/5188--12-12-.html

This is why I said stage-winners Evans or Neuville deserved to finish above him.

Meeke also had a stage win and the finish time matters, not the stage wins.

[Tarmop]

It`s RMC, everyone who finishes it ahead, deserves his place.

[Simmi]

The truth from Meeke ... they were nowhere on pace:
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2018/meeke-monte/page/5188--12-12-.html

This is why I said stage-winners Evans or Neuville deserved to finish above him.

Meeke took an ill-performing car to a very strong points finish. Last year he was ripping wheels off or rolling cars into balls, and justifying it due to the fact the car was bad. So I'd say this is some nice progress. Regarding people deserving anything in rallying... let's just say we agree to disagree.

[AnttiL]

Meeke lost a bunch of time on the first day in a similar off as Ogier, who lost only a little time. It's also a bit of luck in the game as well.

[Mirek]

Check out this video with many crashes from Rally Monte Carlo including a completely slippery passage at Col de Turini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKsFOUIPnA

This variant of going over Col de Turini (or this one reversed) is the most spectacular one. Pity there is less and less alowed space for spectators every year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.

I get it. There is no justice in rallying and you are all happy about that.

Even Meeke is as good as saying he was lucky to get the place and points.

[Mirek]

So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.

Yes, that's absolutely fine. Nobody forced the first guy to go off where there were no spectators to help.

[steve.mandzij]

So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.

I get it. There is no justice in rallying and you are all happy about that.

Even Meeke is as good as saying he was lucky to get the place and points.The thing about punctures is valid, because that is mostly pure luck. Now, if a driver finishes ahead of another solely because he went off once and the other went off twice, he deserves to finish ahead regardless of speed.

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[Mirek]

Most of the time punctures are not a result of bad luck but a mistake.

[Integrale]

The thing about punctures is valid, because that is mostly pure luck. Now, if a driver finishes ahead of another solely because he went off once and the other went off twice, he deserves to finish ahead regardless of speed.

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Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.

[AnttiL]

Most of the time punctures are not a result of bad luck but a mistake.

And in the case of Evans it was a mistake.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.

Correct, it isnt fair, like in this instance.

But point that out and everyone says it is fair, because the result is all that matters.

Why are most if you discussing post-rally when there is nothing to say ? The result tells you everything apparently...

[steve.mandzij]

Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.That doesn't make much sense. You can't predict when somebody will make a mistake. Sweden 2017 or both Mikkelsen's first victories are perfect examples of the second placed driver inheriting a victory by virtue of making one less mistake than the leader. In those cases the eventual winner deserved the victory.

Sport isn't fair when a driver drops out of contention due to a failure beyond his control, like Argentina 2016, Finland 2017 or Wales 1998. In both of these cases, while the winners deserved their victories for being the best of the rest, they didn't win because they made less mistakes than the guy ahead, they won because they were luckier.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

And in the case of Evans it was a mistake.

But a puncture in the dark on the first stage and directly before the icy section... so tricky to change the wheel, and then drive on the ice with one stone cold tyre. Big time lost.

A heavy punishment for a small mistake when others actually went off the road and lost much less time.

[Integrale]

That doesn't make much sense. You can't predict when somebody will make a mistake. Sweden 2017 or both Mikkelsen's first victories are perfect examples of the second placed driver inheriting a victory by virtue of making one less mistake than the leader. In those cases the eventual winner deserved the victory.

Sport isn't fair when a driver drops out of contention due to a failure beyond his control, like Argentina 2016, Finland 2017 or Wales 1998. In both of these cases, while the winners deserved their victories for being the best of the rest, they didn't win because they made less mistakes than the guy ahead, they won because they were luckier.

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And what's the difference? There's no justice in rallysport and I'm perfectly fine with that! :)

[Mirek]

But a puncture in the dark on the first stage and directly before the icy section... so tricky to change the wheel, and then drive on the ice with one stone cold tyre. Big time lost.

A heavy punishment for a small mistake when others actually went off the road and lost much less time.

Shit happenes. So what?

[Tarmop]

The name is "rally", you and your cars has to perfrom everywhere, not only on one stage. Puncture is part of performing, call it bad luck or driver`s error. Besides they had their opportunity to pass him. They didn`t use it.

[T16]

Eddie... Neuville was regarded as the faster driver in the championship last year, quicker than Ogier, but ultimately, Ogier won because he made a better job of it.
Based on your logic, Ogier shouldn't have won the WDC.....

[N.O.T]

Based on your logic

you spelled disability wrong

[dimviii]

nice aerial
https://youtu.be/Ox3cUnUsA4o

[AnttiL]

https://vimeo.com/254318255

Kristian Sohlberg's video report about working as a gravel crew member

[PLuto]

As a warm up before start of Rally Sweden you can look at another gallery from Monte - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=19572

[KKS]

https://vimeo.com/254318255

Kristian Sohlberg's video report about working as a gravel crew member
didn't know that they use same recce car for gravel crews

[PLuto]

didn't know that they use same recce car for gravel crews

It is not mandatory, but why not?

[pantealex]

didn't know that they use same recce car for gravel crews

Factory teams have always done like that, saves lot of money to use those recce cars.

[AnttiL]

didn't know that they use same recce car for gravel crews

Actually he was in weather, not gravel crew.