53º Rally RACC Catalunya – Costa Daurada 2017

[wwbroe]

Next stage (8) is live now, let's see what Hyundai's can do and if Meeke will be able to keep it together.;)

[mknight]

Nowhere did he say Meeke is now going to win the event though, which you said. Why don't you try harder to hide your hatred?

Meeke has been in and around the leading times all rally so far. Was 3/4secs off the lead after 6 gravel stages and is now fastest after the first tarmac stage. He might bin it, the C3 might have a technical issue but is it really "tiresome" for Clark to say his money is now on Meeke, who is 9secs in the lead and has nothing to lose?

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So he doesn't believe he is going to win by saying his money is on him?

Apart from the finger pointing you are clearly missing the message there, as that long explanation confirms. Based on 1 stage you can't say it's only crash or technical issues that are keeping him from winning. This is like saying Tanak was going to be fastest yesterday after first stage which he won, way too early.
Yes based on earlier C3 performance on tarmac and the fact he has nothing to loose he could win, but 1 stage doesn't show he has the pace. Note how Neuville was clearly behind Meeke and Ogier in Corsica on friday and said he couldn't match them.. and then on Saturday he got much faster, all that on dry tarmac.

[er88]

Hopefully Sordo can fight for the win. Would love to see him win on his home rally before he retires or leaves the sport. If he can get infront of Seb that will help limit the damage a little for Neuville in the championship, but Thierry needs to find some more pace himself if he can

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[dimviii]

Mads moment
https://twitter.com/pacoelchurro1/status/916562146141581313

[sete]

Neuville wil have hard times at next year championship with Mikkelsen in same car

[wwbroe]

Good splits sofar for Hanninen

[KKS]

Not good pace of Hyundais here... Sordo and Neuville slow here(

[KKS]

Good splits sofar for Hanninen
3rd was not good as prev ones

[wwbroe]

3rd was not good as prev ones
Fastest sofar

[er88]

Good to see Juho showing speed. Shame he's so far back after yesterday

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[er88]

Seb and Andreas level at first split.

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[KKS]

Yeah... good stage and especially last sector by Juho! Well done!

[wwbroe]

Hanninen still fastest trough, 1,3 faster as Meeke

[dimviii]

Yeah... good stage and especially last sector by Juho! Well done!

last sector is tight narrow and technical part. Meeke lost about 3 sec there

[wwbroe]

Getting very close up there for podium places:eek:

[er88]

Very honest from Seb. Just needs to drive faster

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[wrc2017]

nothing changed here since i last posted.
bye.
So he doesn't believe he is going to win by saying his money is on him?

Apart from the finger pointing you are clearly missing the message there, as that long explanation confirms. Based on 1 stage you can't say it's only crash or technical issues that are keeping him from winning. This is like saying Tanak was going to be fastest yesterday after first stage which he won, way too early.
Yes based on earlier C3 performance on tarmac and the fact he has nothing to loose he could win, but 1 stage doesn't show he has the pace. Note how Neuville was clearly behind Meeke and Ogier in Corsica on friday and said he couldn't match them.. and then on Saturday he got much faster, all that on dry tarmac.

[wwbroe]

Seems like Juho is really fighting for his place with toyota next year.;)

[dupanton]

For all the guys writing Neuville off already: He is now 5th, 0,9s from Ogier and 1s from second place.

[satukata]

Great to see Meeke leading after big problems. And JUHO wow!! Great tarmac speed!

[KKS]

Kopecky in trouble at SS8 +50sec :(

[wwbroe]

Kopecky in trouble at SS8 +50sec :(
Definitely something wrong, maybe puncture?

[wwbroe]

Maybe time is not completely correct, some minute fault?

[tomhlord]

Wow, what a rally we have on our hands now.

Mega impressed by Ogier's drive on gravel, but this could potentially unravel on tarmac for him. Let's see.

Also, Camilli has done really well in the second half of this season, well done.

[KKS]

Maybe time is not completely correct, some minute fault?
Yep seems to be

Looks like Kopecky request 2min gap instead of 1 after Tempestini and system give this gap to Loubet.

http://i.piccy.info/i9/4402e6a9ceac916960c96115e8483baa/1507363482/57397/1185642/Kopecky_start.jpg

[AnttiL]

Yeah, Kopecky didn't report any problems at the stage end.

[er88]

For all the guys writing Neuville off already: He is now 5th, 0,9s from Ogier and 1s from second place.If Neuville can get himself ahead of Seb and regain more confidence after a few tweaks in service, things will be looking up. Especially if Dani can help Neuville out and either get between him and Seb, or perhaps gift a position to Thierry late in the rally if he's ahead of him.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

So, tight battle here this morning between the contenders... but Meeke blowing them all away. Ironic.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2017/post-1072-0-09256200-1507362977.png

[dimviii]

Neuville late braking hot moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19wrQ-YDX4&feature=youtu.be

[KKS]

Something starnge with start times at SS9
Sordo has 10:14 as 4min gap from Juho
and Neuville have 10:15 - 1 min from Dani

[KKS]

Oh Neuville...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville with car damage ?!

[BigWorm]

:(

[KKS]

Bahhhh so many troubles at ones for Neuville ....

[Eli]

Neuville with car damage ?!

Hydraulic system... imho think it's his championship challenge over....

[wwbroe]

Probably you are right:(

[wwbroe]

Hanninen is going very fast again

[KKS]

12.4 lost

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not all over for Neuville as now going to service.

Team orders can also help him gain places.

[BigWorm]

To top it off a 30 sec time penalty. Started the stage 3 mins late.

[mknight]

Off on a road section... surely he was driving at legal speeds :D

[KKS]

went off on road section for Neuville... I want see this onboard

[dimviii]

its not so much,plenty of kms to recover as Ogier doesn't seen to shine too.
At least lucky that they go to service now.

[smsgrafica]

Looks like someone hit him in the back?

[wwbroe]

Looks like someone hit him from the back?
No, he went off on road section because of no hydraulics working

[AnttiL]

went off on road section for Neuville... I want see this onboard

I bet even NOT couldn't see this happening

[dimviii]

went off on road section for Neuville... I want see this onboard

just a photo for now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLhYtRTXcAA5NMe.jpg

[KKS]

Good morning. Meeke and Hanninen win a stages and a lot of overall movement and news... perfect rally so far!

[BigWorm]

Disaster. 8th will not be good enough.

[wwbroe]

Impressed by Juho's pace i must admit.

[er88]

Disaster. 8th will not be good enough.If things remain the same surely Sordo and Andreas will drop behind him at the end of rally, if Hyundai have any sense. Even still, Seb will have increased his champisonhip lead and you have to feel time has nearly run out for Thierry.

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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLhcKZuW0AAUf7F.jpg

[AL14]

Neuville late braking hot moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19wrQ-YDX4&feature=youtu.be

Amazing corner! Love that.

Anyway photgraphers in that place... Jesus Christ...

[AL14]

He spun in the road section. It means he was speeding a lot among civil cars... That's reckless

[KiwiWRCfan]

If things remain the same surely Sordo and Andreas will drop behind him at the end of rally, if Hyundai have any sense. Even still, Seb will have increased his champisonhip lead and you have to feel time has nearly run out for Thierry.

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Team orders will only be used if it does not affect manufacturer points. Thierry needs to take 25.6 seconds off Juho and be ahead of him before team orders could be used.

[er88]

Team orders will only be used if it does not affect manufacturer points. Thierry needs to take 25.6 seconds off Juho and be ahead of him before team orders could be used.The manufacturers championship is over realistically. Should all be about helping Thierry now, and having Sordo and Andreas drop behind Juho and Neuville helps the Belgian more than the current situation.

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[HaCo]

What a shame for TN, stil a long way to go, keep on fighting!

[cali]

Neuville and Tanak complaining of understeer, Meeke is flying (for now)I can confirm this, all Hyundais with a lot of understeer in Montmell. Tänak maybe was driving with a different style because visually I could not recognise it.

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[Mintexmemory]

its not so much,plenty of kms to recover as Ogier doesn't seen to shine too.
At least lucky that they go to service now.
There is a phrase in English - 'doing enough'. Why try to fight Meeke? All that matters is Neuville is behind him.

[dimviii]

There is a phrase in English - 'doing enough'. Why try to fight Meeke? All that matters is Neuville is behind him.

today it wasn't matter of choice, that he couldn't match Meekes pace.

[KiwiWRCfan]

The manufacturers championship is over realistically. Should all be about helping Thierry now, and having Sordo and Andreas drop behind Juho and Neuville helps the Belgian more than the current situation.

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Valid argument. At start of rally Catalunya drivers title was more realistic option for Hyundai than Manufacturers title.

[Mintexmemory]

today it wasn't matter of choice, that he couldn't match Meekes pace.

He didn't doesn't equal he couldn't. Why would anyone gamble on matching Meeke when he is not the competition?

[Tauri_J]

Gearbox change for Ott. Reverts to gravel gearbox.

Pretty much out of the contention

[EstWRC]

Yeah. He says it definitely won’t make things better. What a shame

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Link to the live stage via RBTV:

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1Q84GSB591W11/fia-world-rally-championship

[KKS]

Gearbox change for Ott. Reverts to gravel gearbox.

Pretty much out of the contention
Emm.. a gravel gearbox quite different to tarmac?

[RS]

Looks like Hänninen would quite like to keep his drive for next year.

Kopecky will be level with Camilli when they give back the 90s he lost yesterday in Sederidis' dust.

[Tauri_J]

Emm.. a gravel gearbox quite different to tarmac?

He said that differentials and gear ratios are different

[sonnybobiche]

Clark saying on rallyradio that Latvala goes so much faster with Toyota that it stresses the car more than other drivers and that leads to reliability issues.

Imo there are 2 angles to this:

- he is driving "full speed" and car can't handle it (car has issues)
- his driving destroys the good car (remember how in VW his car seemed always to have issues while other 2 were ok)

Not sure what Clark is on about. All the failures except yesterday's have been fundamentally electrical problems. e.g. in Poland I believe the throttle position sensor was stuck open, so the engine was doing max revs and ruined the clutch. Finland the ECU died in the middle of a gentle left hand corner.

I don't see how anybody can drive a car so hard that it breaks the electrics and not the mechanicals.

[denkimi]

So msport has not brought a spare asphalt gearbox to an asphalt rally? Or do they have one, but keep it for ogier?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@thierryneuville
Once again, our @HMSGOfficial team did an amazing job to repair the car! In only 30 minutes !

https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/status/916611115001491456

[dimviii]

He didn't doesn't equal he couldn't. Why would anyone gamble on matching Meeke when he is not the competition?


I understand..... he didn't matched Meeke pace on purpose....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLhz1biWAAA1WUh.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

So msport has not brought a spare asphalt gearbox to an asphalt rally? Or do they have one, but keep it for ogier?

Maybe to avoid some penalty? Using yesterday one?

[N.O.T]

potato dog is nothing....

[Tauri_J]

2 gearboxes allowed per driver

its a mixed event so 1 gravel and 1 tarmac

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport‏
#tyre info: Day 2 - Afternoon: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Hard except Mikkelsen with 4H+1S #RallyRACC

[dimviii]

Sat 13:05 - SS10: Start intervals
Up from two to three minutes for the 2017 World Rally Car crews.

[KKS]

Watching Al Qassimi run - ruin my nervous system at all

[er88]

Someone needs to move that rock. Just sitting on the road, spectators on the bank above

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dirty road due to cutting. Good job its stayed dry.

[steve.mandzij]

Good grief, Luis Moya speaks too fast!

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Impressive Lappi on this stage.. matching local super-experienced guy Sordo.

[steve.mandzij]

Neuville is scaring me. He was pushing way too hard, pulling the handbrake on smooth corners and going waaaaay too close to the walls and barriers. I felt this same way seeing Meeke's pace on the power stage in Mexico: his speed isn't sustainable.

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[dimviii]

Νeuville

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLiFsBrXkAE4UE5.jpg

[dimviii]

Meeke very fast 2nd split

[er88]

Meeke not in containment mode. Very fast at 2nd split

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[er88]

Lost time towards the end there

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job Tanak with the gravel 'box... goes ahead of Ogier.

[KKS]

Lost time towards the end there

Any reason why?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLiKgU7WkAAbj2W.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLiJAD_XUAICVxl.jpg

[dimviii]

Any reason why?

too cautious with dirt on road he said.

[KKS]

too cautious with dirt on road he said.
as I remember from TV that the end of stage without cuts, or just not shown those cuts

[jparker]

There is a phrase in English - 'doing enough'. Why try to fight Meeke? All that matters is Neuville is behind him.

Being in front of Neuville is not enough. What's the point of finishing 7th in front of Neuville 8th for example? Neuville gets the Power Stage better than Ogier, and they are both to square one. So, Ogier is getting bitten very very badly, it shows on his face.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/hsLrP6YbGo8

[MikeD]

Being in front of Neuville is not enough. What's the point of finishing 7th in front of Neuville 8th for example? Neuville gets the Power Stage better than Ogier, and they are both to square one.

No, that's not back to square one, because after Cataluña, there is only 2 rallies left and therefor fewer points up for offer, so the pressure is on Neuville to up his game. Ogier is an absolute master of the points game.

[N.O.T]

Being in front of Neuville is not enough. What's the point of finishing 7th in front of Neuville 8th for example? Neuville gets the Power Stage better than Ogier, and they are both to square one. So, Ogier is getting bitten very very badly, it shows on his face.

when was your last mental evaluation by a professional ?

[jparker]

potato dog is nothing....

U2

[jparker]

when was your last mental evaluation by a professional ?

When stupid people have no arguments, and have nothing to say, they start talking like you. Peace of Greek nothingness

[jparker]

No, that's not back to square one, because after Cataluña, there is only 2 rallies left and therefor fewer points up for offer, so the pressure is on Neuville to up his game. Ogier is an absolute master of the points game.

So, you think the Ogier will not try to finish the title game as soon as possible, leaving all to chances? I think he wants that, but he can't do it.

[spiderem]

talking about team orders, Ott can also drop behind ogier, and still no consequence for M-Sport as it stands now...

[tommeke_B]

I don't expect M-Sport to use teamorders in this case. It could raise the (already huge) chances for Ogier to become champion, but it would lower the chances of scoring a 1-2 in the championship. IF M-Sport manages to become manufacturers champion, and score 1-2 in the drivers championship, it would be huge.

[USER47]

Ogier fastest on first split, nice.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don't expect M-Sport to use teamorders in this case. It could raise the (already huge) chances for Ogier to become champion, but it would lower the chances of scoring a 1-2 in the championship. IF M-Sport manages to become manufacturers champion, and score 1-2 in the drivers championship, it would be huge.

M-Sport will be more than happy with both Championships. A driver 1-2 would just be a bonus.

[KKS]

uhh fighting continue... Ott, Sordo, Nueville, Meeke, Ogier - pushing like hell

[tommeke_B]

M-Sport will be more than happy with both Championships. A driver 1-2 would just be a bonus.

It would mean they'd win the drivers title without Ogier too. ;)

[AMSS]

When stupid people have no arguments, and have nothing to say, they start talking like you. Peace of Greek nothingness

Your own comments about M-sport/Ford doesn`t exactly hint you are responsible of splitting the atom neither... Peace ;)

[jparker]

Ogier fastest on first split, nice.

I wonder why? All he needs is Neuville to be behind him?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solid time again by Ott, not dropping much time.

And Ogier is flying !

[AMSS]

I wonder why? All he needs is Neuville to be behind him?

But the biggest wonder is how he can do it with the piece of shit car????

[jparker]

Your own comments about M-sport/Ford doesn`t exactly hint you are responsible of splitting the atom neither... Peace ;)

I do have arguments against Ford. They don't have driver's title in WRC for 30 years. And not going to get this year either.

[tommeke_B]

I do have arguments against Ford. They don't have driver's title in WRC for 30 years. And not going to get this year either.

Are you plotting an attack on Ogier?

[N.O.T]

And not going to get this year either.

using medication beyond the expiration date is not good for you kid....

[er88]

I do have arguments against Ford. They don't have driver's title in WRC for 30 years. And not going to get this year either.The hole you're digging with every post is beyond deep enough for you now. Just stop.

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[KKS]

what a fight!! 7 cars within 3sec at 21km stage!

[focus206]

And not going to get this year either.

If anything, you're jinxing Neuville... as if he doesn't do that by himself already.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

talking about team orders, Ott can also drop behind ogier, and still no consequence for M-Sport as it stands now...

True, but will they do that if Ott still has a mathematical chance of the drivers title himself ?

[USER47]

Mikkelsen comparing C3 and i20 in the radio interview...

Apparently a big change - C3 was snappy and oversteering all the time, he had to be careful, now in i20 it's the entire opposite.

Not a big surprise, but strange he just says it publicly.:-D

[jparker]

The hole you're digging with every post is beyond deep enough for you now. Just stop.

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No I'm not going to stop.
Why is OK for some PS to call reputable person like Neuville "is nothing", and I can't say so for Ford? Ford is peace of machinery after all

[N.O.T]

No I'm not going to stop.


ok kid...we are all friends here... just do not complain if you end up in very long sleeves suit.

[jonkka]

Not a big surprise, but strange he just says it publicly.:-D

No need to be so diplomatic for the future's sake any more?

[jparker]

ok kid...we are all friends here... just do not complain if you end up in very long sleeves suit.

Are you friend with Neuville you idiot?

[KKS]

Sordo stopped!!!!

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport‏*@HMSGOfficial
#Sordo stopped on SS12 with a broken steering. #WRC #RallyRACC

[BigWorm]

Ahhh, Neuville would have needed Sordo to keep Ogier away from second place. Crap.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A Neuville team-mate lets him down again.

They really should've got Mikkelsen in at the start of the year and it would been such a different season for them.

[tommeke_B]

Don't worry guys, Neuville will be champion anyway, as someone said here. :D

[er88]

A Neuville team-mate lets him down again.

They really should've got Mikkelsen in at the start of the year and it would been such a different season for them.Yes his teammates haven't helped him but the reason this championship will be lost will go back to Monte and Sweden. His mistakes while he should've been cruising.

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[itix]

Hyundai can definitely kiss their Manu championship goodbye now. Sordo also denied Ogier points so this puts Ogier in a better position.

Very bad news for Hyundai.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes his teammates haven't helped him but the reason this championship will be lost will go back to Monte and Sweden. His mistakes while he should've been cruising.


But Mikkelsen could've taken points off Ogier and Neuville would still have a better chance despite those mistakes.

[dimviii]

Sat 15:36 - SS12: Ostberg
Believes he hit an object in a ditch - the same thing he believes Sordo hit. Mads reports his steering now feels "weird".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sports coming fast now...

[KKS]

Disaster!

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen stopped as well!!!

[itix]

Oh god... good bye Hyundai.

[USER47]

And Mikkelsen hit it too and stopped. Also Tanak reported hitting it and having weird steering feeling.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen stopped !!!!!

[er88]

JParker, how you coping with this stage?

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[itix]

The rock that killed Rally Spain...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@thierryneuville 3m3 minutes ago
SS12 "It's not over."

It is now.

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport‏*@HMSGOfficial
#Mikkelsen stopped on SS12 with a broken steering - same place as #Sordo. #WRC #RallyRACC

[jparker]

JParker, how you coping with this stage?

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Just run our of expired pills ....

[N.O.T]

The potato dog is hopeless... lets see if he manages to finish the super special without crashing....

[dimviii]

WRC‏
Mikkelsen update - WRC TV crew reports that Mikkelsen has lost a wheel. #WRC

[itix]

So Østberg, Mikkelsen, Sordo and Tänak are all suspected to have hit a big rock in a cut and Tänak and Østberg managed to complete. Tänak has stopped past the finish line to look at the car, Østberg has stopped past the stop control, Mikkelsen and Sordo are stopped in the stage.

[spiderem]

well, ogier and tanak are sending a clear message to Ford about the car potential... but you can see that next year they won't be able to be in the same team, or malcom will have a lot on his plate to keep them both happy.

[René]

Again a bad day for Hyunday !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There will be no MSport team orders according to Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak says his car is fixed and ok now. :)

[AnttiL]

A great day from Suninen, still over 50 seconds of lead over Kopecky

[itix]

Dani broken Tie-rod
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/36021_dliky-jw4aaqh3d.jpg

[macebig]

There will be no MSport team orders according to Ogier.

They are not needed.Ogier is ahead of Ott and without the tarmac spec gearbox the Esthonian shouldn't be able to re-pass him.

[AnttiL]

Today Ott has been 5 seconds faster than Seb.

[macebig]

Ogier is faster in the second loop.

[Jinu13]

WRC+ live stage is in slow-mo (it's not my mobile as the highlights are fine) Bugger :( Please keep me posted!

[BigWorm]

Yes his teammates haven't helped him but the reason this championship will be lost will go back to Monte and Sweden. His mistakes while he should've been cruising.

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Think the events of Germany and Spain have been more influencing than Monte and Sweden as he still passed Ogier in the standings after Finland. A rare DNF from Seb was his way in, I don’t think we will see another.

[wrc2017]

ok. 2 potato dog wannabes took wheel off in this stage.
The potato dog is hopeless... lets see if he manages to finish the super special without crashing....

[Mirek]

A great day from Suninen, still over 50 seconds of lead over Kopecky

On dry it's rather impossible to take so much time in Catalunya. Kopecký took 26 seconds on 6 stages which is a lot cosidering how close every fighting here is but it's nothing compared to time lost yesterday. Realistically he can only catch Veiby and even that will be difficult.

[wrc2017]

i think its called karma

Mikkelsen comparing C3 and i20 in the radio interview...

Apparently a big change - C3 was snappy and oversteering all the time, he had to be careful, now in i20 it's the entire opposite.

Not a big surprise, but strange he just says it publicly.:-D

[RS]

On dry it's rather impossible to take so much time in Catalunya. Kopecký took 26 seconds on 6 stages which is a lot cosidering how close every fighting here is but it's nothing compared to time lost yesterday. Realistically he can only catch Veiby and even that will be difficult.

It's not right that these events (and potentially championships) can be decided by running order decisions of the organisers. Perhaps FIA should introduce some seeding system actually based on speed, and not just the class of vehicle to prevent this happening in the future.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Eat my dust ... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLismxIW0AAYHTv.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They are not needed.Ogier is ahead of Ott and without the tarmac spec gearbox the Esthonian shouldn't be able to re-pass him.

Ogier didnt sound so sure...

[tommeke_B]

It's not right that these events (and potentially championships) can be decided by running order decisions of the organisers. Perhaps FIA should introduce some seeding system actually based on speed, and not just the class of vehicle to prevent this happening in the future.
There should be something yes. Maybe it's also a good idea to not let just everyone who has the money drive a WRC car...

[AnttiL]

Östberg got 20 second penalty and Lappi is now sixth

[AnttiL]

Kopecky almost fastest on the street stage :D

[Mirek]

There should be something yes. Maybe it's also a good idea to not let just everyone who has the money drive a WRC car...

2012 Monte Carlo. Louise Cook with Fiesta N3 was the last PWRC driver and Kevin Abbring with Fabia S2000 was the first non-championship driver. They gave Kevin 10 minutes gap but he finished SS1 (30 km long with snow and ice) another 10 minutes ahead of her.

Anyway in this case since the WRC Trophy is totally meaningless and worthless cup it should have been seeded behind WRC2.

[Mirek]

Kopecky almost fastest on the street stage :D

This is ridiculous. He was 7,6 seconds faster than Suninen on 2,2 km while he was 26 seconds faster over the whole leg. In the end it doesn't change anything between the two anyway.

[dimviii]

@ ΝΟΤ watch at 0,35
https://youtu.be/USz6F2qMfbE

[Rallyper]

This is ridiculous. He was 7,6 seconds faster than Suninen on 2,2 km while he was 26 seconds faster over the whole leg. In the end it doesn't change anything between the two anyway.

Would it maybe be called tactics? Safety first, or something?

[RS]

This is ridiculous. He was 7,6 seconds faster than Suninen on 2,2 km while he was 26 seconds faster over the whole leg. In the end it doesn't change anything between the two anyway.

It makes me wonder if works Fabia has some special engine mode just for super specials?

'Nearly' two stage wins this year, superspecials or not is quite something with an R5 car.

Edit: Actually lots of Fabias quick on this stage.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.facebook.com/rallyciak/videos/679496782252821/ :vader:

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLiksnDXUAALpvb.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier warming his tyres prior to ss 13
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/916689844755156994

[Mirek]

Would it maybe be called tactics? Safety first, or something?

Of course but it's still crazy ;)

[EstWRC]

Anyone knows at what time the press conference is?

[EstWRC]

Today Ott has been 5 seconds faster than Seb.

3.4 to be exact :)

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36021-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2017/?leg=2

[mknight]

As someone already said, the one rock killed the rally.

Apart from ruining Hyundai manu chances it also removed just about all other close fights.

Without Sordo nobody immediately threatens Meeke in front, so he should be able to bring it in. Tanak probably isn't able to with gravel gearbox. Ogier will not go 100% as the situation is now, and again due to Tanak's gearbox should be able to stay ahead of him. Hanninen wasn't as impressive in the afternoon so shouldn't be able to close up.

Impossible to tell without vids/pictures but it's clearly interesting that 5? cars hit the rock and it's 2 Hyundais that retire. Sure could be that they both cut more than others.

Mikkelsen didn't have much to loose so even if it's a stupid mistake it doesn't change much, Neuville would get ahead anyway (either on pace or on TO), others were too far behind and he clearly couldn't catch those in front. He also already impressed by leading after day 1. For Sordo it's much harder hit, probably the best chance for him so far this year and with 4 drivers next year it doesn't look good. Also getting unlikely Hyundai will send 4 cars to Australia.

[racerx1979]

No way Hyundai sends 4 cars to Aus.

Could have been Sordos best result.

Tomorrow isn’t a short day. Plenty of KM’s to go and anything can happen. Still an exciting year.

[dimviii]

Tanak small clip
https://twitter.com/PeAChapaRacing/status/916224099676053504

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/6K2RifF.jpg

[bluuford]

As someone already said, the one rock killed the rally.


It was not a rock. It was too much cutting by Andreas and Dani. They hit concrete"bridge" I do not know what is the exact word in English, but this is at the end of pipe that is placed under the road to connect two ditches on both sides of road. Similar to the one that Neuville hit in Monte.

[dimviii]

It was not a rock. It was too much cutting by Andreas and Dani. They hit concrete"bridge" I do not know what is the exact word in English, but this is at the end of pipe that is placed under the road to connect two ditches on both sides of road. Similar to the one that Neuville hit in Monte.
is it confirmed bluuford?,hyundais press release talks about stone

https://motorsport.hyundai.com/double-disaster-in-spain/


Sordos broken suspension

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLjOHqsWsAAuhWF.jpg

[AnttiL]

3.4 to be exact :)

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36021-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2017/?leg=2

Yeh, I posted before the super special :)

[bluuford]

Look this corner from google earth street view, then turn around and you can see it just hidden behind the bush. Not It is not confirmed but people cut very close from this thing and some too close;)

[N.O.T]

did potato dog survive the super special ??? wow... he has potential after all.

[AnttiL]

Still 74 stage kms to go, more than usually on WRC events at this point

[wrc2017]

this SSS paving is always covered in sand.
it cleans alot.
This is ridiculous. He was 7,6 seconds faster than Suninen on 2,2 km while he was 26 seconds faster over the whole leg. In the end it doesn't change anything between the two anyway.

[wrc2017]

so its the rocks fault?
As someone already said, the one rock killed the rally.

Apart from ruining Hyundai manu chances it also removed just about all other close fights.

Without Sordo nobody immediately threatens Meeke in front, so he should be able to bring it in. Tanak probably isn't able to with gravel gearbox. Ogier will not go 100% as the situation is now, and again due to Tanak's gearbox should be able to stay ahead of him. Hanninen wasn't as impressive in the afternoon so shouldn't be able to close up.

Impossible to tell without vids/pictures but it's clearly interesting that 5? cars hit the rock and it's 2 Hyundais that retire. Sure could be that they both cut more than others.

Mikkelsen didn't have much to loose so even if it's a stupid mistake it doesn't change much, Neuville would get ahead anyway (either on pace or on TO), others were too far behind and he clearly couldn't catch those in front. He also already impressed by leading after day 1. For Sordo it's much harder hit, probably the best chance for him so far this year and with 4 drivers next year it doesn't look good. Also getting unlikely Hyundai will send 4 cars to Australia.

[wrc2017]

Mikkelsen hadnt much to lose.. but impressed with his speed
so taking a wheel off is ok? you never gave Meeke the same compliments.
Loser.

As someone already said, the one rock killed the rally.

Apart from ruining Hyundai manu chances it also removed just about all other close fights.

Without Sordo nobody immediately threatens Meeke in front, so he should be able to bring it in. Tanak probably isn't able to with gravel gearbox. Ogier will not go 100% as the situation is now, and again due to Tanak's gearbox should be able to stay ahead of him. Hanninen wasn't as impressive in the afternoon so shouldn't be able to close up.

Impossible to tell without vids/pictures but it's clearly interesting that 5? cars hit the rock and it's 2 Hyundais that retire. Sure could be that they both cut more than others.

Mikkelsen didn't have much to loose so even if it's a stupid mistake it doesn't change much, Neuville would get ahead anyway (either on pace or on TO), others were too far behind and he clearly couldn't catch those in front. He also already impressed by leading after day 1. For Sordo it's much harder hit, probably the best chance for him so far this year and with 4 drivers next year it doesn't look good. Also getting unlikely Hyundai will send 4 cars to Australia.

[focus206]

Shame for Sordo and Mikkelsen, but they can blame only themselves and it's game over for Hyundai now.
Ogier can gain some precious points on Neuville (and Tanak) here, only a retirement by Ogier can give them a chance for the championship, in my opinion.
Tomorrow 6 SS without service? Could be interesting.

[AL14]

did potato dog survive the super special ??? wow... he has potential after all.

He had 85% chances to bring the car at the end.

[wrc2017]

should you not be putting some effort into ridiculing Sordo and Mikkelsen.. and coming up with stupid names for them. it seems such a waste of your linguistic talent.


did potato dog survive the super special ??? wow... he has potential after all.

[EstWRC]

Had a amazing day. My first time to see these cars on tarmac and man this is great. You can clearly see different lines and styles of drivers. For example, Lefebvre and ostberg look very aggressive every time and ogier and Tänak always look like they are cruising and they aren’t fast and when I see the split times It’s the opposite.

So final day tomorrow and of course I hope that Ott will pass Ogier.

[cali]

Guys, take it easy. It's just an entertainment for us fans after all. I wouldn't go too far and start bashing the drivers. It has been a wonderful 2 days of rallying, pity for all the retirements, but this is what you get when performing on a highest level.

So chill everybody, quite annoying to read that there's a bashing competition going on while we have a wonderful rally and a marvellous season. Take it easy now...

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[Eli]

Eat my dust ... ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLismxIW0AAYHTv.jpg

you mean, eat M-Sport's dust ;)

[tommeke_B]

https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/videos/10154851578280404/ Big moment. Ten Brinke crashed on that spot last year.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/J4mXUhz.jpg

[Mirek]

this SSS paving is always covered in sand.
it cleans alot.

I don't know why You mention in the context of WRC2 because with their running order it's irrelevant .

[HaCo]

I attached an image from a facebook video of Hyundai Motorsport page. You can see the "stone" that Sordo. Really bad luck I think!

[er88]

Looks more like the concrete pipe to the inside that would've done the damage more so than the embedded rock? Like what Bluuford was saying.

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[dimviii]

I attached an image from a facebook video of Hyundai Motorsport page. You can see the "stone" that Sordo. Really bad luck I think!
here is the video,and its just extreme cutting.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23931-crash-sordo-mikkelsen-rallyracc-2017-edgar-racevideos/

[AnttiL]

Østberg said on twitter he had no handbrake on the super special

[HaCo]

here is the video,and its just extreme cutting.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/23931-crash-sordo-mikkelsen-rallyracc-2017-edgar-racevideos/

Pitty there is no shots of the other cars to compare...

[Simmi]

Is there any scope to say Hyundai's suspension might be a bit weaker than it should be?

Neuville had a pretty innocuous slide wide and broke one in Monte from memory. And I thought he was pretty unlucky in Germany with that cut. Just a thought.

[dimviii]

Pitty there is no shots of the other cars to compare...

yes that would be nice to compare.

[dimviii]

https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/videos/10154851578280404/ Big moment. Ten Brinke crashed on that spot last year.

https://twitter.com/pacoelchurro1/status/916562146141581313

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLjgV1rW0AI5wRq.jpg

[mknight]

I attached an image from a facebook video of Hyundai Motorsport page. You can see the "stone" that Sordo. Really bad luck I think!

https://www.facebook.com/HMSGOfficial/videos/1611699665562577/

Sordo at -1:40, Mikkelsen at -0:55

Note that on both vids from the Hyundais there is a clean line that goes into the cut. (left wheel line is clearly visible, that puts the right wheel into the concrete block).


Sure they could have cut just a few extra cm more than others, but doesn't looke like they were much more in. Note that Lefevbre and Hanninen drove just before Sordo and Meeke and Ogier drove before Mikkelsen so they should have been in the cut too.

Will be interesting to see the comparison when other onboards show up. But as of now my theory is that when in the cut both Hyundais turned the front wheel more out than others (probably to compensate understeer). It's still their mistake but could explain why others survived without ripping off wheels.

[Mintexmemory]

yes that would be nice to compare.
I bet Ogier went nowhere near it! As predicted yesterday cutting in Catalunya is like playing Russian roulette.

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/KXYfjCj.jpg

[Mirek]

I bet Ogier went nowhere near it! As predicted yesterday cutting in Catalunya is like playing Russian roulette.

From dimviii's photo it's clearly too deep cut. No accidental hit of a stone but a concrete bridge like I think Bluuford said.

[RS]

this SSS paving is always covered in sand.
it cleans alot.

Kopecky was still 3.5s quicker than next R5.

[SubaruNorway]

is it confirmed bluuford?,hyundais press release talks about stone

https://motorsport.hyundai.com/double-disaster-in-spain/


Sordos broken suspension

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLjOHqsWsAAuhWF.jpg

You don't see that very often, same part of the hub that broke in Neuville's small cut in Germany in the rear.

[Mirek]

Any idea what material is it with such white color? Some sort of cast white iron?

[A FONDO]

while we have a wonderful rally and a marvellous season. Take it easy now...



Indeed, we still got a three-horse fight for the win at the end of Saturday leg. :beer:

[SubaruNorway]

Any idea what material is it with such white color? Some sort of cast white iron?

This type i guess, pretty sure they will homologate a new part for next year. Haven't they had the hub break at the top bolt of the damper twice and Neuville in MC was maybe something with the hub?

"White cast iron

When the white cast iron is fractured, white coloured cracks are seen throughout because of the presence of carbide impurities. White cast iron is hard but brittle. It has lower silicon content and low melting point. The carbon present in the white cast iron precipitates and forms large particles that increase the hardness of the cast iron. It is abrasive resistant as well as cost-effective making them useful in various applications like lifter bars and shell liners in grinding mills, wear surfaces of pumps, balls and rings of coal pulverisers, etc."

[dimviii]

some kind of aluminium not iron.

[racerx1979]

The hubs are either forged aluminum or machined

White cast iron is used of cooking ware. Like pots and pans :). Not the best for suspension components of race cars.

[Mirek]

I thought as well but none of aluminium parts I have on my table is so white inside (I admit I don't have anything forged here only die casted and machined parts and moreover not suspension ones). Maybe some alloy is so white.

Maybe I used wrong English equivalent but what we call white iron in Czech (bílá litina) is actually used in automotive. I can see it's properly called whiteheart malleable cast iron or GJMW in EN code.

[mknight]

Haven't they had the hub break at the top bolt of the damper twice and Neuville in MC was maybe something with the hub?


Paddon on Sardinia and Paddon in Finland was the top breaking after impacts. (not sure which one of the 2 offs Paddon had in Finland).

Neuville in MC don't know.

[racerx1979]

Sounds like a problem to me. I’m sure they’ll be working on a new hub design at this rate.

Latvala has also had these weird “oil system failures” after hard impacts. Toyota’s have a few issues they need to solve as well but that’s expected. M-Sport has had the most reliable cars this year.

[AndyRAC]

Definitely a weakness for the Hyundai in that area; and not the first time they've had an issue - going back as far as the Monte.
To see 2 cars retire in the same corner reminds me of M-Sport Ford at Rally China in 1999, when McRae and Radstrom both hit the same culvert - and immediately retired.

[Mirek]

I do not agree here. From the photo it is clear they hit the massive concrete. If other car survived that it's more or less pure luck.

[mknight]

I do not agree here. From the photo it is clear they hit the massive concrete. If other car survived that it's more or less pure luck.

WRC+ now has onboards of Mikkelsen, Østberg, Meeke and Hanninen from the spot.

Off course it's hard to judge with different camera positions but the first tree look like they are very much same spot in the cut (Østberg easiest to compare), Hanninen maybe a little bit more left, but still in cut.

I'd say either Hyundai weakness or they were the only 2 with wheels turned more out or a combination of both.


EDIT: Ogier also very similar line to Mikkelsen, Sordo seems to have been a bit more in than Mikkelsen though. Neuville a bit less in than both, similar line to Hanninen. Again it is hard to judge between cars from different teams due to camera placement, but clearly more cars than just the 2 that DNF were there.

[dimviii]

Tanak small clip
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/916766686065381378

[KKS]

https://i.imgur.com/J4mXUhz.jpg
I'm not a fan of Gorban - Ukraine driver and picture is fantastic!

[Norm75]

Just watched highlights, Sordo, Mikkelsen and Tanak all clobber what definately seems to be storm drain, Tanak getting away with just a bent wheel rim. You can see onboard meeke clearly avoids the drain, and sounded to me the commentator said Sordo was warning him of the danger.

[mknight]

Just watched highlights, Sordo, Mikkelsen and Tanak all clobber what definately seems to be storm drain, Tanak getting away with just a bent wheel rim. You can see onboard meeke clearly avoids the drain, and sounded to me the commentator said Sordo was warning him of the danger.

You can see someone standing on the corner there, waving.
Anyway Tanak's rim was bent in, so quite heavy impact... but no broken steering like the two others.

[Rally Power]

Sad for the Hyundai drivers; the rally is still exciting but the titles are now almost decided. Besides Meeke/Citroen big opportunity for another win (fingers crossed!) it’ll also be interesting to see MSport possible team orders: if Tanak is asked to ease up, we get to know there’s still a chance to keep Ogier in the team; if not, that could mean Wilson is doing everything to avoid Tanak going to Toyota, as Ogier is already lost to Citroen, or that both drivers will leave the team and there’s no use to ask them anything at all…

Btw, Solans is the new JWRC champ since SS7, as he only needed 3 stage wins. Congrats to him and to Ciamin, his strongest competitor during the season.

[Eric]

Just watched highlights, Sordo, Mikkelsen and Tanak all clobber what definately seems to be storm drain, Tanak getting away with just a bent wheel rim. You can see onboard meeke clearly avoids the drain, and sounded to me the commentator said Sordo was warning him of the danger.

Sordo warning Meeke but not his team mate coming only minutes after? What on earth is he thinking???? Cannot see Hyundai let him get away with this. His interviews this weekend has been quite critical against Hyundai. This is not looking good:eek:

[KKS]

it's definitely just a deeper cut for Hyundais as they should do. It looks like all cars just dig those corner to a deeper cut and Dani try cut more then he does at 1st pass.

Slider compare of Sordo's SS9 and SS12 at same corner
https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=3e7ed93c-abac-11e7-b263-0edaf8f81e27

[KKS]

And it's concrete culvert as bluuford said before

http://i.piccy.info/i9/9eda3d8ee59e1ca7ddd8402a39466c79/1507414966/263367/1149228/Suninnen_at_Sordo_corner.jpg

[KKS]

Meet the Crews:
Driver's - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuV8zegNbOE
Team Managers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmRk2JQ09Nw

[er88]

Nandon saying there that it was the concrete block they hit. Clearly just slightly too deep a cut. A few centimetres to the left and maybe they'd have got away with it and missed the edge of the concrete storm drain

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[N.O.T]

I'm not a fan of Gorban - Ukraine driver and picture is fantastic!

the photoshoped flames are fantastic !!!!!

[Mirek]

Slider compare of Sordo's SS9 and SS12 at same corner
https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxtapose/latest/embed/index.html?uid=3e7ed93c-abac-11e7-b263-0edaf8f81e27

This is perfect, thanks! Really big difference between first and second pass and clearly wrong line in the second one.

[Jinu13]

Sordo warning Meeke but not his team mate coming only minutes after? What on earth is he thinking???? Cannot see Hyundai let him get away with this. His interviews this weekend has been quite critical against Hyundai. This is not looking good:eek:

Surely if he had the heart to warn the next driver he would have stayed to warn the others too, unless he was told it was too dangerous by the marshals. Not sure how far into the stage the culvert was but he would have known there were more cars en-route, including his team mates.

[wrc2017]

why are you looking for excuses. they hit a culvert and broke the steering. why dont you answer my previous question.
You can see someone standing on the corner there, waving.
Anyway Tanak's rim was bent in, so quite heavy impact... but no broken steering like the two others.

[KKS]

fighting talk by Neuville at the end of SS14. Looking forward to today stages!

[er88]

He's right, who cares about 2nd place in the championship

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[er88]

Tanak just faster than seb, good start for him

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[KKS]

Looks like it's Meeke fighting with Ogier for championship -1.1 to TN and Ott :D

[er88]

Meeke fastest so far, great great time

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[AnttiL]

Camilli has diff issues, probably losing his lead soon

[KKS]

Huge time-loss by Camilli. Couldn't hear him on a radio. What happen with him?

[dimviii]

Sun 07:32 - SS14: Camilli
Problems for Camilli. He's not registered for WRC 2 points here, but is the best placed R5 entry. "I broke the differential just before the start line so I am in rear-wheel drive only."

[AnttiL]

Østberg is now slow.

[AnttiL]

Lappi had a fast split and then stopped :(

[dimviii]

Sun 08:00 - Lappi update
He has gone off an collided with an armco barrier.

[dimviii]

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