Rally Italia Sardinia 2017

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just watched the OB of Latvala and the dust from Ostberg wasnt very bad. Maybe two places it looked a bit thick but it wasnt like he was following directly behind Mads. It was distracting but not enough to get any time back from the Stewards I think..

[AnttiL]

All I've ever heard Latvala say in the face of adversity was "ei voi ella totta" (I think it's spelled that way)



"This can't be true". That's what he says often indeed.

I also love it that Lappi/Ferm are using the same note as Mäkinen/Harjanne did, "pirun pitkä" which is used for a very long corner, but it's directly translated as "damn long"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

To be fair to him, if the delay situation when Neuville got time back had never happened, Latvala wouldn't be making an issue of it on this rally. Unfortunately a precedent has been set.

[steve.mandzij]

"This can't be true". That's what he says often indeed.

I also love it that Lappi/Ferm are using the same note as Mäkinen/Harjanne did, "pirun pitkä" which is used for a very long corner, but it's directly translated as "damn long"
Do Lappi and Hanninen use descriptive pacenotes or numeric ones? I know Latvala uses 1-7(6?) pacenotes from least to sharpest.

Now that we're at it, what system do other drivers use? Any oddities?

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[BigWorm]

"This can't be true". That's what he says often indeed.

I also love it that Lappi/Ferm are using the same note as Mäkinen/Harjanne did, "pirun pitkä" which is used for a very long corner, but it's directly translated as "damn long"

Interesting find! Has Tommi made those notes for him now or is it something they've always had?

[Mirek]

If I remember right both Hänninen and Lappi use numeric pacenotes but frankly I feel too lazy now to watch some onboards...

[stefanvv]

If I remember right both Hänninen and Lappi use numeric pacenotes but frankly I feel too lazy now to watch some onboards...

Then of course You speak Finnish perfectly?

[N.O.T]

Then of course You speak Finnish perfectly?

how hard is it to google search "the numbers in Finish" and then watch the onboards ???

[Mirek]

Then of course You speak Finnish perfectly?

I can count to five, say hello and thank You and few other things. I think that it is enough for this task. Don't You think?

[stefanvv]

I can count to five, say hello and thank You and few other things. I think that it is enough for this task. Don't You think?

May be. You know better.

[mknight]

Really strange mistake by Paddon, he just turns in too early in like the 2nd real corner of the stage. In a way similar to the Argentina roll, even though at completely different speed.

[stefanvv]

Yes, very strange, too late on the braking at previous corner I guess.

[GigiGalliNo1]

When Lappi hits a Drone

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170610/fe1e65b2b49efaf49afb598f0a69ae96.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon's was nothing strange at all.. described it himself:
'Dickhead ! I turned in too early and clipped a bank. '

[Mirek]

Is it an optical illusion or does the operator of the drone deserve a punch?

[macebig]

R.I.P Camera Drone ?/?/?-10/6/17

[Zeakiwi]

Nooooo Paddon. You needed this victory.. Im a little bit worried Hyundai will change their line up for next year if he keeps going on like this.

Paddon and Reeves (Paddon's gravel note driver) for APRC in Hyundai R5's for '18 to give the MRF Skodas some competition and reduce the amount of 'free' media publicity Skoda are getting in this part of the world from the MRF team.

[lnvs]

Do Lappi and Hanninen use descriptive pacenotes or numeric ones? I know Latvala uses 1-7(6?) pacenotes from least to sharpest.Both use descriptive pacenotes.

I think sharpest corner (proper hairpin) for Latvala is 8.

[NickRally]

That's probably pointing to mapping of center differential.

I would be very surprised if it is software related and will be more inclined to believe it is something to do with a piece of hardware.

[Zeakiwi]

Probably, but Mikkel need more testing km, to test several centerdiff options.
This is more or less same scenario as Ogier coming to Ford, centerdiff did nor suite him at all, but now it is ok.

The C3 has hydraulically controlled? centre diff according to this https://www.topspeed.com/cars/citroen/2017-citroen-c3-wrc-ar175474.html could the valving/ clutch be set to work in a narrow window and needs different hydraulic valving/ clutch settings to have the car work in a wider window/ different driving style??

[AnttiL]

Do Lappi and Hanninen use descriptive pacenotes or numeric ones? I know Latvala uses 1-7(6?) pacenotes from least to sharpest.

They both use descriptive ones. Latvala/Anttila are a bit of an exception for using numeric pace note in Finnish.

[AnttiL]

BTW I wonder if Paddon will be the first car on the power stage, taking his chances for extra points?

[mknight]

Is it better to ruin it for drivers that actually didn't crash out of the rally ? ex. Ogier

EDIT: Checking two previous PS, superrally drivers seem to start first yes. Totally fine with me for the reason above.

[dimviii]

M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
We've got everything crossed, said hello to every magpie, and got the boys searching for four-leaf clovers, let's start the final day! #WRC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCBU198XUAQGyf3.jpg

[mknight]

Now that's what I call good allocation of resources!

[dimviii]

#Tyre info:
Citroen/Sordo/M-Sport/Toyota: 5 Michelin LTX Force S5
Neuville: 6S
Paddon: 2H+3S

[stefanvv]

Whoa, does Mikkelsen has new car today?

[CoyoteVillagra]

or no saving tyres

[dimviii]

still absent EstWRC? https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/omg.gif

[mknight]

Well I didn't expect that. Totally uncertain if it only lasts 1 stage (ref. Breen yesterday).

Then again it might show what was possible if he had a proper test instead of using the rally to setup the car.

[AnttiL]

Is it better to ruin it for drivers that actually didn't crash out of the rally ? ex. Ogier

EDIT: Checking two previous PS, superrally drivers seem to start first yes. Totally fine with me for the reason above.

But out of the three super rally drivers, Paddon got the farthest. So is it Breen, Evans or Paddon first?

[mknight]

No idea.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen fastest till now,probably nobody pushing,everybody looks his tyres for powerstage.

[abxyz]

SS17 on BT sport: e502c197dde3921551957ef2ec08fc6bbdc663ae (ace)

[KKS]

Tanak 5 sec slower!

[AnttiL]

Paddon flying

[stefanvv]

Tanak 5 sec slower!

He can afford that of course, if he wants more fresh tyres later on

[KKS]

-5.5 sec for Latvala )
I think Tanak trust to Latvala words from yesterday that he didn't attack

[EstWRC]

Tänak made a mistake, i saw his speed only 1km/h for a short period in wrc+, spin or smth and i had a heart attack then

[BigWorm]

BTW I wonder if Paddon will be the first car on the power stage, taking his chances for extra points?

Not sure if he will be first, but he will be early.

[SubaruNorway]

I was right about what broke on Paddon's car, not a big hit it seemed like so guess they will make it stronger

[KKS]

Juho very slow, if he continues like that Ogier will take him

[BigWorm]

Juho almost 4s/km slower. Pick it up man

[EightGear]

Latvala stalled.

[AL14]

I hope EstWRC is not listening to the rally radio :D

[stefanvv]

#12
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/finland.pngLappi Esapekka - Ferm Janne (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36018-rally-italia-sardegna-2017/1467524/)
"We have found the right set up now and the car is really easy to handle. I struggled here last year [in an R5 car] especially on the second pass." Should we bet €5 on a Lappi Power Stage win? "No, €20."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes.. time all back for Tanak after Latvala's stall.

[KKS]

Good to see that Ott in good mood now and all weekend. Never see him being so high.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Juho very slow, if he continues like that Ogier will take him

Steering problem returning for Juho.

[KKS]

Steering problem returning for Juho.
And he didn't lost power steering completely. Hope he continue with good pace

[Simmi]

#12
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/finland.pngLappi Esapekka - Ferm Janne (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36018-rally-italia-sardegna-2017/1467524/)
"We have found the right set up now and the car is really easy to handle. I struggled here last year [in an R5 car] especially on the second pass." Should we bet €5 on a Lappi Power Stage win? "No, €20."

With the sandy road it seems like someone in the top few starters could take it. Could be good news for Paddon maybe.

[dimviii]

another photo with Lappi and drone

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCA0_awW0AAG6Nv.jpg

[Franky]

I'd guess it's the WRC TV crew drone as it's DJI Inspire model. Maybe Matt or someone else can confirm.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any report about Latvala's request for getting time back yesterday ?

[Lundefaret]

#12
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/finland.pngLappi Esapekka - Ferm Janne (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36018-rally-italia-sardegna-2017/1467524/)
"We have found the right set up now and the car is really easy to handle. I struggled here last year [in an R5 car] especially on the second pass." Should we bet €5 on a Lappi Power Stage win? "No, €20."

Power Stage betting will be interesting. Difficult to say if it was an advantage to run first, since both Latvala and Tanak had issues (stall and dust inside cockpit). PS could yield a surprise.

[Kaspark]

Any report about Latvala's request for getting time back yesterday ?

Radio confirmed that the request was denied

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Radio confirmed that the request was denied

Thanks, that's what I expected.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/psiB-PDid8U

https://youtu.be/X7VAssit050

[Simmi]

another photo with Lappi and drone

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCA0_awW0AAG6Nv.jpg

You'd be pissed off if you'd waited two hours to get that shot. On balance though I do think the DJI/drones deal has been a big plus for the WRC.

[Mirek]

You'd be pissed off if you'd waited two hours to get that shot. On balance though I do think the DJI/drones deal has been a big plus for the WRC.

This is firstly very irresponsible from the drone operator. Imagine the hit would come in the windshield.

[lnvs]

another photo with Lappi and drone

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCA0_awW0AAG6Nv.jpg
wtf WRC+, some nice effect for the onboard. Trying to hide this incident? :rolleyes:
https://streamable.com/fe1n2

Sounds like it didn't even touch but still they should keep some distance before they ruin someones rally. It's complicated to give time back if you destroy windscreen in the first stage of the loop for example. :evil:

[KKS]

Juho only 10 sec down. Keep going!

[Simmi]

Wow yeah. From the image I assumed there was some perspective trick and the drone was further away. But you can clearly see there would probably have been a collision if the operator didn't quickly send the drone skywards. Not good.

[KKS]

5.6 gap to PowerStage :( And Ogier will get it

[BigWorm]

Piloting the drone like that is disrespectful against the drivers. Not very safe.

[mknight]

"Factory" Fords are the only cars without issues this weekend.
Hyundai with brakes for Neuville and turbo for Sordo.
Citroen with diff/FWD for Mikkelsen and also for Breen I think.
Toyota with brakes overheating (same as Mexico) and 2x steering for Juho.

[Mirek]

5.6 gap to PowerStage :( And Ogier will get it

Not good, the last stage is very twisty, without power steering no chance even when it is short.


Toyota with brakes overheating (same as Mexico) and 2x steering for Juho.

To be fair this problem may come from his accident in first leg.

[BigWorm]

Paddon stopped - another off

[KKS]

stage stopped?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Top job again Ott... one to go !

[mknight]

Paddon joins the ranks of Meeke and Hanninen who manage to crash out twice per rally.

A detail there though, since the stage is paused and they do a regroup before PS, this can delay everything.

EDIT: Looks like they then opt to cancel it to keep the schedule.

[chris_bakelas]

Is power stage live?

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[KKS]

EDIT: Looks like they then opt to cancel it to keep the schedule.
But it was re-group after stage. 45 min. They could resume this stage

[BigWorm]

Is power stage live?

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It's due 12:18 local time so should start in about 40 mins

[dimviii]

Sun 11:34 - SS18: Stage stopped
Paddon's car is blocking the road. Breen and the drivers behind him are held at the start.

[KKS]

Breen and co. reverse and back directly to regroup

[mknight]

Sure that's good PR for rally to show Webber and Biasion? driving a Delta without seatbelts?

[dimviii]

Red Bull doesn't like this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCB1BJAWAAEECde.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ouch was a nasty hit that for Paddon !

[mknight]

Paddon with exactly same mistake again, turn-in too early. That's at least 3rd time this season.

[abxyz]

That Paddon crash was scary

[dodge33cymru]

Don't worry EstWRC, I put Tanak as my winner in the PickEm for the last few events but chose Ogier for this one - he'll be fine!

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[macebig]

Red Bull doesn't like this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCB1BJAWAAEECde.jpg

Why?They are both sponsored by Red Bull, so there isn't really any conflicting advertising.

[BigWorm]

Red Bull doesn't like this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCB1BJAWAAEECde.jpg

I don't blame him, Red Bull's cola is truly awful!

[KKS]

Why?They are both sponsored by Red Bull, so there isn't really any conflicting advertising.
with coca-cola in hand :D

[dimviii]

have we got any photos with Paddons crash?

[macebig]

with coca-cola in hand :D

Ah, I missed that detail.Shame on me!And shame on the Frenchman!

[dimviii]

Sun 12:18 - SS19: LIVE
Evans on stage.

Sun 12:16 - Power Stage running order
A few changes to suit the live broadcast schedule (on TV and WRC ). Here's how the World Rally Car runners will line up: 1. Evans, 2. Breen, 3. Al Rajhi, 4. Sordo, 5. Mikkelsen, 6. Østberg, 7. Ogier, 8. Hänninen, 9. Lappi. 10. Neuville. 11. Latvala, 12. Tänak. Four-minute intervals for these drivers.

[BigWorm]

So, who's going to have to use reverse this time?

[TWRC]

Desborough says that this friday was Breen's career low point? What the hell?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans 8 sec down on Sordo's fastest time this morning.

[EightGear]

Desborough says that this friday was Breen's career low point? What the hell?
He doesn't have a clue.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Desborough says that this friday was Breen's career low point? What the hell?

Idiot. Turn the sound off and enjoy the pictures.

[BigWorm]

Huh, I thought he said Friday in Portugal was his best of 2017?

[Simmi]

Why the F does Desborough keep calling the WRC Trophy the 'Champion's Trophy' !!??

[AL14]

He is nervous because Meeke isn't there and he can't say where he comes from. Try to understand him.

[AnttiL]

Sordo made a very good time

[dimviii]

Karlip *
��
‏*@Karlip1
Huge rock mid-stage #Warning #slowcorner #WRC #RallySardegna SS19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCJ5J4XoAEctQ3.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads broken suspension.

[MikeD]

Come on Ogier, go for all 5 power stage points!

[Eli]

so annoying, WRC+ stop itself all the time, are you guys experiencing the same problem?

[Rallyper]

Mads still can hold his position coming to Service.

[stefanvv]

Floene enjoying the scenery:D

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCMoIfXsAAGeCs.jpg

[Rallyper]

Mads and Ole chatting and joking I think.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good run by Seb.

[BigWorm]

Come on Juho

[BigWorm]

Nope, losing it to Seb.

[MikeD]

Looks like 5th place for Ogier in total result and maybe 2nd or 3rd in Power Stage. Damage limitation against Neuville.

[Rallyper]

I think I said it before. Is this Sardinia PS a stage worth the name in WRC???

[EightGear]

Desborough of course not realising Juho lost 5th

[Tauri_J]

I think I said it before. Is this Sardinia PS a stage worth the name in WRC???

???

What an awesome stage

[raybak]

Can we start a petition to get rid of Desborough, he's getting worse:(

[MikeD]

Well done Lappi. What a star for the future! He might be the driver breaking the French hold on the Drivers' Championship.

[AnttiL]

Go Esapekka go, show the champion how it's done!

[KKS]

Eeeeaaaah! Lappi!

[abxyz]

Bravo Lappi!

[AnttiL]

Go Esapekka go, show the champion how it's done!

Yes!!!

[EightGear]

Lappi has really impressed me.

[stefanvv]

Impressive Lappi this rally

[Rallyper]

Lappi!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi amazing !

[AL14]

I think I said it before. Is this Sardinia PS a stage worth the name in WRC???

Are you serious? It's one of the best of the championship imho

[Eli]

Well Done Lappi!!! wonder kid indeed!!

[stefanvv]

I think I said it before. Is this Sardinia PS a stage worth the name in WRC???

Last year was not so good, now it's better.

[EightGear]

Jeeeeez Neuville, just STFU now please.

[rallyfiend]

I think it's a great stage.

Unique.

And that's what the WRC needs.

[TWRC]

Neuville still so sad :D

[abxyz]

Let it go, Thierry!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier ahead of Neuville on the PS.

[Eli]

I think Colin is gonna win 20 euros on his bet ;) for sure a star of the future Lappi, 2nd event in WRC & finishes 4th...

[MikeD]

Come on Tänak. Make it happen!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Here we go... nice and easy Ott.

[mknight]

saatana! On live TV....

[AL14]

Which kind of drugs take the man who decided where to put latvala's camera?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCQroMWsAIAH4S.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCQshEWsAAglkW.jpg

[EightGear]

Tanak taking it easy.

[stefanvv]

On the cruise to victory

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak !!! :bounce:

Yessss, M-Sport has another 2017 rally winner !!! :champion:

[abxyz]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

[stefanvv]

Well done Tanak, well done

[dimviii]

very happy for Tanak,well deserved win,hope there are more to come.

[Kielder]

Another brick in the wall...

[Lord_Shaitan]

He did it! Bravo Ott!

[AL14]

Finally! Good job Ott! Fucking deserved win!

[EightGear]

Very nice!


I will drink one on EstWRC tonight.

[A FONDO]

So happy for Tanak, finally gets a deserved win. Lappi also impressive. Hope for interesting seasons ahead.

[Mirek]

Very impressive performance from Tänak and Lappi. Bravo!


I will drink one on EstWRC tonight.

Good idea. I take a shot right now :champion:

[AL14]

Very nice!


I will drink one on EstWRC tonight.

I will have an jchnusa which sounds appropriate :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where are you EstWRC... you ok ??!! ;)

[Thousandlakes]

Well done Tänak. Deserved win. Lappi showed huge performance in Sardinia. Not big surprise for me. Wait and see Neste rally...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCUO9dXYAAGkk7.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

Let it go, Thierry!

Thierry, if Evans wouldn't had all those problems in Argentina that would be 4 out of 7 for M-Sport, with all their drivers having won.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thierry, if Evans wouldn't had all those problems in Argentina that would be 4 out of 7 for M-Sport, with all their drivers having won.

I was just thinking the same earlier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak
VICTORY AT RALLY ITALIA!! Thanks to everyone for their support and to the team who have been amazing! This is only the beginning!

[Rallyper]

Are you serious? It's one of the best of the championship imho

You haven´t seen much, have you. This stage could be driven on any beach around Mediterrainian sea.

[Mirek]

So in the end Camilli wins RC2 few seconds ahead of Kopecký who wins WRC2 classification (they still haven't received notional time for SS18 so I hope the stweards won't make something crazy). Sadly nobody else was able to keep with them.

[Rallyper]

Big congrats to Ott. Very well deserved win for him and Martin.

[KKS]

Which kind of drugs take the man who decided where to put latvala's camera?
it best so far, we see steering, foot working and a stage at same shoot.

[AL14]

You haven´t seen much, have you. This stage could be driven on any beach around Mediterrainian sea.

What's the point? I didn't say it is the only scenery where you can have a stage. But one of the best stages of WRC.
And sorry, but you know nothing about what I've seen or not... stay in topic if you want to discuss.

[macebig]

Great!Consecutive wins for Ford for the first time since 2009.An excellent first win for Tanak, who now has a realistic outsider's chance for the title.Ogier was nowhere, but he managed to really limit his loses.What a lucky guy he is.Lappi is a rising star.Positive rally for the Finnish village team overall.Not so good for Hyundai with Neuville running his mouth a bit, Paddon crashing twice and many problems for Sordo.And the least we talk about Citroen, the better...And the next two rallyes with lots of bumps and high speeds may be even worse for them...

[Watson]

Come on Ott get in there. Congrats. Poland and Finland suit him even better. Let's see how this continous.

[KKS]

Well deserved win Ott!

Waiting for Poland ;)

[dimviii]

Rally Paradise‏*@rallyparadise
#WRC points after #RallyItaliaSardegna: @SebOgier 141 @thierryneuville 123 @OttTanak 108 @JariMattiWRC 107 @DaniSordo 70 @ElfynEvans 53

[Mirek]

So what I just wrote...

They gave Kopecký notional time better than to Camilli because he was not part of WRC2 and by that Kopecký won by 0,9 seconds. Well this is quite incredible bullshit.

[EstWRC]

Where are you EstWRC... you ok ??!! ;)


i have been here all the time, just had a huge pressure and didnt want to jinx him BUT NOW......WUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUUHUHUHU, FINALLYYYYY, FINALLYYY

Tear in my eye writing this at the moment, it means just so much to me especially how sadly Märtins career ended. i have protected him like hell here (ok i admit i have overdone it at times) and elsewhere, always believed in him and that he has this speed and talent. Things are really starting to come together now, he is consistent now and learns all the time.


thank you guys here and thanks Ott ja Martin. what a day. i will never forget this. amazing.


Aitäh!

[PLuto]

So in the end Camilli wins RC2 few seconds ahead of Kopecký who wins WRC2 classification (they still haven't received notional time for SS18 so I hope the stweards won't make something crazy). Sadly nobody else was able to keep with them.

Camilli lost the win because of stewards. Or better say due to clerk of the course.

[PLuto]

So what I just wrote...

They gave Kopecký notional time half minute better than to Camilli because he was not part of WRC2. Well this is quite incredible bullshit.

They changed it. Now Kopecky has beaten Camilli "only" for 0.9...

[Mirek]

Still, this is simply incredible nonsense.

[Watson]

I'm really happy for you EstWRC. I was a big fan of Märtin's and Park's back in the day and it's great to see that legacy going further.

As Colin Clark said, the first victory is the hardest, the others come much easier.

I'm still a bit hungover from going out last night but I will drink one on you later today :D

[macebig]

A much younger me had the chance to see Martin and Estonian fans at the start of the rally that ended with his inagural victory and being a Ford fan for years, I couldn't help but support them.It was really sad how things turned out then but now Tanak is continuing his legacy.Huge congrats to Ott and Estonian fans.They deserve this victory.

[Eli]

Well done to Ott, know he has been waiting for this moment for the past 2 years now, nice to see him finally on the top step of the podium, hope he will challenge for honors again next in his favorite rally & continue with his run of consistency. Also I must point out Lappi, what a drive, what a driver, only his 2nd time in a World Rally Car, finishing 4th ahead of Ogier (when the road position on the last 2 days was on the same level playing field) & took of his power stage win. Hope to see him challenge for a podium come the end of the year. Difficult stages ahead of everyone now as we are heading to the 2 fastest rallies in the calendar which are followed by a sudden switch to tarmac, we have got a really interesting season on our hands. Even if Ogier will take the title this year at least it won't be decided in Germany or Spain, they won't give it to him that easy.
On a less positive note, Citroen have got massive work to do if they want to stand any chance this year.

[PLuto]

Still, this is simply incredible nonsense.

Unfortunatelly it is usual on WRC level. Another stupid decision by stewards yesterday - foreign help doesnt meen exclusion, but time penalty 60 minutes...

[Lundefaret]

i have been here all the time, just had a huge pressure and didnt want to jinx him BUT NOW......WUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUUHUHUHU, FINALLYYYYY, FINALLYYY

Tear in my eye writing this at the moment, it means just so much to me especially how sadly Märtins career ended. i have protected him like hell here (ok i admit i have overdone it at times) and elsewhere, always believed in him and that he has this speed and talent. Things are really starting to come together now, he is consistent now and learns all the time.


thank you guys here and thanks Ott ja Martin. what a day. i will never forget this. amazing.


Aitäh!

Congratulations Ott and congrats ESTwrc!!! You have been hanging in there like a true fan, well deserved to the both of you!

[Andre Oliveira]

So what I just wrote...

They gave Kopecký notional time better than to Camilli because he was not part of WRC2 and by that Kopecký won by 0,9 seconds. Well this is quite incredible bullshit.


Thank god they fixed it :) Camilli 9th

[PLuto]

They changed it. Now Kopecky has beaten Camilli "only" for 0.9...

And they changed it again, Malcolm was pushing. Now Camilli back to the win ;)

[Eli]

Imagine now if Latvala would have got his 13 seconds back....

[dimviii]

Unfortunatelly it is usual on WRC level. Another stupid decision by stewards yesterday - foreign help doesnt meen exclusion, but time penalty 60 minutes...

what about are you reffering Pluto?

full drivers/manufacture standings
http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

[Watson]

Imagine now if Latvala would have got his 13 seconds back....

Then what? Tanak obviously cruised to victory. If Latvala had been closer he'd have driven faster.

[KKS]

Yazeed near crash at podium :D

[mknight]

Well done to Ott, know he has been waiting for this moment for the past 2 years now, nice to see him finally on the top step of the podium, hope he will challenge for honors again next in his favorite rally & continue with his run of consistency. Also I must point out Lappi, what a drive, what a driver, only his 2nd time in a World Rally Car, finishing 4th ahead of Ogier (when the road position on the last 2 days was on the same level playing field) & took of his power stage win. Hope to see him challenge for a podium come the end of the year.

While Lappi deserves the praise the second part is not true. Ogier lost 2 mins due to puncture. Otherwise he would have beaten Lappi during second day.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36018-rally-italia-sardegna-2017/?leg=3

[nafpaktos]

what happen exactly and kopecky took notional time?dust?

[Andre Oliveira]

No. Stopped stage after Paddon crash

[Eli]

Then what? Tanak obviously cruised to victory. If Latvala had been closer he'd have driven faster.

What I meant was if now after the rally has ended, they would have given him the time back.

[Mirek]

what about are you reffering Pluto?

Originally Kopecký was given notional time 30 seconds better than Camilli while they were separated by 4 seconds in the leaderboard (and strangely they gave such time only to Kopecký, other WRC2 drivers were given same time as Camilli). After that they changed it but still Kopecký was given 6 seconds better time which was still enough to win the rally. And now finally they changed it again so that Camilli won like he deserved.

[Watson]

What I meant was if now after the rally has ended, they would have given him the time back.

I'm pretty sure that final decision has to be made before the beginning of a new day.

[mknight]

Well the WRC notional times were also random. Breen got a time that is exactly the same as first pass even though he never started the stage. Everyone else got Sordo's time (slowest one).

[Andre Oliveira]

#TiTanak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCC22HvXcAIr_cW?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCC49YEXYAE_lJE?format=jpg&name=large

[N.O.T]

Perfect win for tanak !!!! Ogier minimised his loses at the power stage... nice championship overall.

[KKS]

Why Evans retired after last stage?

[BigWorm]

Why Evans retired after last stage?

Teams retire some cars when the result is pointless. It allows them to fix with the car I would believe, or something like that.

[AnttiL]

thank you guys here and thanks Ott ja Martin. what a day. i will never forget this. amazing.

Aitäh!

Terviseks!

BTW: Lappi made the most stage wins in this rally, a total of six. Sordo made four and Tänak only three.

[AnttiL]

Teams retire some cars when the result is pointless. It allows them to fix with the car I would believe, or something like that.

It allows them to save sealed spare parts to the next rally.

[BigWorm]

It allows them to save sealed spare parts to the next rally.

Ah, had the feeling it was something like that.

[bugwrx]

I belieave Ott could go on a winning streak from here, winning poland and finland aswell.

[dimviii]

Originally Kopecký was given notional time 30 seconds better than Camilli while they were separated by 4 seconds in the leaderboard (and strangely they gave such time only to Kopecký, other WRC2 drivers were given same time as Camilli). After that they changed it but still Kopecký was given 6 seconds better time which was still enough to win the rally. And now finally they changed it again so that Camilli won like he deserved.

I understand that,i was talking about this one


Another stupid decision by stewards yesterday - foreign help doesnt meen exclusion, but time penalty 60 minutes...

which is the crew that had foreign help?

[dimviii]

Gerard Quinn‏*@WRCgerardquinn
Congratulations @OttTanak WINNER #RallySardinia. I remember your first seat fitting in a Ford Fiesta WRC Good things come to those who wait!

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[dimviii]

nice video
https://youtu.be/h_o4tUxkSnY

[Mirek]

which is the crew that had foreign help?

Aha, crew No.87, Italians with R5.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/7mT8pohZOvo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCDNyf_XoAEOgRt.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCDNygAWsAAyf4R.jpg

[sonnybobiche]

Well this will make the trip extra interesting - has there ever been as many possible winners of a WRC event since before GP B?
1 space still available with our gang - 6-13 June, staying at Porto Torres.
I think this could finally be the Tanak win location!

Fucking called it

[Coach 2]

Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
Tänak wont win never a rally if he continues like this, miserable afternoon

Quote Originally Posted by NOT
relax kid... he will.

[itix]

Late to he party as usual. Congrats Tänak to his first victory! Well deserved after so many attempts.

[Coach 2]

Good tipping- were there some who bet against?



#12
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/finland.pngLappi Esapekka - Ferm Janne (https://www.ewrc-results.com/entryinfo/36018-rally-italia-sardegna-2017/1467524/)
"We have found the right set up now and the car is really easy to handle. I struggled here last year [in an R5 car] especially on the second pass." Should we bet €5 on a Lappi Power Stage win? "No, €20."

[Watson]

Are they plugging Onebet in the driver interviews now?

[BigWorm]

Very enjoyable rally, loads of dramas and action. The result is also very good for the championship, all to play for still.

Miserable rally for Citroën again, I'd feel very awkward if I was Matton. At least Linda Jackson might find the result amazing.

[HaCo]

No images from last Paddon crash?

[EightGear]

At least Linda Jackson might find the result amazing.

She probably hopes Citroen will "Do even better on the next round" again.

[BigWorm]

She probably hopes Citroen will "Do even better on the next round"

Impossible to do better than the best.

[macebig]

Very enjoyable rally, loads of dramas and action. The result is also very good for the championship, all to play for still.

Miserable rally for Citroën again, I'd feel very awkward if I was Matton. At least Linda Jackson might find the result amazing.

Well, it could be worse...Imagine if they had Lefebvre in the No9 car and he followed on Meeke's footsteps...At least Mikkelsen brought the car home woefully slow but relatably trouble free..

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Well done Ott..

I'm happy to him..:D

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think this is the beginning of the end for Meeke unfortunately.

Word.

[nafpaktos]

fb

Eyvind Brynildsen

Nobody can't say Meeke isn't consistent at least! #WRC #meekecrash #rallysardegna

[Eli]

Word.

Well he is 38 due next month so....they really need to start thinking beyond next year if they want to stand any chance...get rid of Lefebvre and find another Esappeka.

[tommeke_B]

Well he is 38 due next month so....they really need to start thinking beyond next year if they want to stand any chance...get rid of Lefebvre and fine another Esappeka.

Can you name another driver who you think can do what Lappi does? There aren't so many around... I think he surprised everyone with the pace and consistency he already has in his 2nd event with a WRC.

[mknight]

As Lappi himself said, he's not a "starting driver". He is 26 and has been driving for a while, he just can't use a 1-2 seasons to learn.

[wrc2017]

This would all be true, if Mikkelson wiped the the floor with Meeke. Lappi appears the real deal, but he wouldnt be able to do anything in that current citroen.
Can you name another driver who you think can do what Lappi does? There aren't so many around... I think he surprised everyone with the pace and consistency he already has in his 2nd event with a WRC.

[steve.mandzij]

Uh oh

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/citroen-drops-meeke-for-mikkelsen-for-rally-poland-917431/

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[Eli]

Can you name another driver who you think can do what Lappi does? There aren't so many around... I think he surprised everyone with the pace and consistency he already has in his 2nd event with a WRC.

No I can't unfortunately, they are in a pickle....perhaps they need to make sure Kalle Rovanpera reaches them before anyone else.

[steve.mandzij]

Speaking of which, have Kalle and Oliver Solberg ever competed together?

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[Watson]

No I can't unfortunately, they are in a pickle....perhaps they need to make sure Kalle Rovanpera reaches them before anyone else.
Get lost, he is a 16 year old kid. Him entering the WRC is still ages away.

[Eli]

Get lost, he is a 16 year old kid. Him entering the WRC is still ages away.

Will be 17 this October, and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) once he's 18 he'll be able to compete in the WRC no?

[Watson]

Will be 17 this October, and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) once he's 18 he'll be able to compete in the WRC no?
Yes, but look at the average age of WRC drivers. It is so much based on experience. It's not like F1 where kids like Verstappen can walk in and do a job straight away. Lappi is 26 and is considered very young. Suninen will make his WRC debut in Poland at the age of 23 and he only gets two drives this year. He'll spend the next few years predominantly in WRC2 too unless he comes in and does a surprise monster job.

Look at Paddon (30), Tanak (29) and Evans (27) still maturing.

[BigWorm]

Will be 17 this October, and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) once he's 18 he'll be able to compete in the WRC no?

Would be very extreme. Risky to give a young kid so much pressure. Thinking of Max Verstappen, but for circuit racing the tracks remain the same for each place, in the WRC every km is unique and Kalle still needs a lot of time.

[Simmi]

Yes, but look at the average age of WRC drivers. It is so much based on experience. It's not like F1 where kids like Verstappen can walk in and do a job straight away. Lappi is 26 and is considered very young. Suninen will make his WRC debut in Poland at the age of 23 and he only gets two drives this year. He'll spend the next few years predominantly in WRC too unless he comes in and does a surprise monster job.

Look at Paddon (30), Tanak (29) and Evans (27) still maturing.

All these conventional arguments don't really apply to a guy who is winning rallies in an R5 car at 16! Age is just a number - the reason all these guys you list are getting results around 30 is because that's how long it took them to gain the experience and speed to get there. It's not a case where team managers were waiting until drivers hit 25 before hiring them.

Anyway this is OT - I'm not saying Citroen should start reaching out to team Kalle just yet.

[SubaruNorway]

Get lost, he is a 16 year old kid. Him entering the WRC is still ages away.

Just under 5 months to be exact, are there any other country than Wales where you can drive at 17 in the calendar btw?

[tommeke_B]

I think that at the age of 17, if he has a legal driving license, he can compete everywhere. Kruuda competed in several events at the age of 17 (for example Ypres). Also Pieterjanmichiel Cracco (Belgian, but got an Estonian driving license) did WRC Portugal at the age of 17. But we're going off-topic...

I went to Sardinia, but returned this morning already, so saw shakedown, show stage, friday and saturday. Very nice event, as always. Didn't take much pictures, but I'll try to link a small album tomorrow, together with some brief review.

https://scontent.fbru1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19055895_1813988141946397_1471960442322036003_o.jp g?oh=9b3e2e3932793cb8fde6dc6c275a7342&oe=59A608EE
Photo of Sordo on SS Coiluna 2, very impressive how much he was still attacking even with a rear-left puncture.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/e4S_4rZAYv8

[Essaj]

Just under 5 months to be exact, are there any other country than Wales where you can drive at 17 in the calendar btw?

It's actually just over 4 months ;) and atleast Australia, maybe south american rallies? and he can do Rally Finland in 2018 since he is getting finnish driving license this october

[dimviii]

We did really important steps before Portugal, we were not competitive in Mexico or Argentina and we have understood other things in other areas so the car was really competitive here. It is looking very positive for all the team. Lappi was driving very well, also Hanninen was driving well before the power steering problems but we do have one problem because I said on the interview on Saturday that I would stop my driving if I did not get the time benefit. I did not get it and I am a person that stands behind my words. The situation is this; I am in the middle of the season and have never been so close to the championship leader, even if I am in forth position. I would not really want to stop now when things are looking good. I must apologise for my words but you have to understand that there is lots of passion for this sport and I want to do well so this is why I was a bit frustrated. Sorry about that

http://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tanak-feeling-job-has-been-done

[stefanvv]

#TiTanak

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCC22HvXcAIr_cW?format=jpg&name=large


That is correct - Nose End First

[EightGear]

Very nice!


I will drink one on EstWRC tonight.


Cheers.


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[Mirek]

That foam looks like non-alcoholic beer though :)

[EstWRC]

Cheers guys! Got just back from an epic rammstein concert. Good way to celebrate!


Täääännnnaaaakkkkkkk

[Mirek]

Hehe, I'm going to Sytem of a Down tomorrow :p

[EightGear]

That foam looks like non-alcoholic beer though :)
Haha, I can assure (comfort?) you it isn't. :)

[EstWRC]

Oh I envy you, they are one of my favorites!

System of a down I mean

[stefanvv]

Oh I envy you, they are one of my favorites!

System of a down I mean

They're quite in-place for the next 2 rallies with their famous hit "Aerials", aren't they?

[bluuford]

Great rally, great result!

I have been working with Ott since 2011 Germany and today was just........ no words, I am very, very happy !:) I posted last forecast for the team eraly in the morning and I was scheduled to fly from Tallinn to Berlin at 13:50 (Estonian time), today, luckily, plane was delayed 20 minutes (thank you AirBaltic for being consistent with your delays) and 20 seconds before taking off and switching my phone to flight mode, I got the mesage from the team - "Ott won !":):):):):)

I must say that this is a great team work. M-Sport might have the smallest budget, they might not have separate people for each task, they might noth have fancy caps or posters for the fans.. but what I have seen, they work really closely as a team. Most of the people are not working for the money only, they work with a passion and for the passion. I have talk to the person who is driving the truck, sets up service park and helps with quarding overnight, opens the gates for VIP-s and quests and he is really proud about his work! He feels as an important part of the team. I have seen how Julien is shaking everybodies hand in sevice park in the morning.. This is really good example how the team has grown together as a family. I think, this is one of the reaons behind their success in this season. I am just looking and wondering about one other team where one star driver is playing down his car and complaining mehcanical issues stage, by stage, day by day. this is not team spirit. They have something to learn from M-Sport.

I will take a second beer now :)

One thing that must be definitely noted here. Big, big, big, big, big credits to Toyota. Clerck of the course did nothing related to Latvalas dust problem and sportingly, Toyota decided not to ask to review his stage time. This is great rally spirit, this is rally :) Thank you Tommi, you are GREAT for the rally!

[steve.mandzij]

We did really important steps before Portugal, we were not competitive in Mexico or Argentina and we have understood other things in other areas so the car was really competitive here. It is looking very positive for all the team. Lappi was driving very well, also Hanninen was driving well before the power steering problems but we do have one problem because I said on the interview on Saturday that I would stop my driving if I did not get the time benefit. I did not get it and I am a person that stands behind my words. The situation is this; I am in the middle of the season and have never been so close to the championship leader, even if I am in forth position. I would not really want to stop now when things are looking good. I must apologise for my words but you have to understand that there is lots of passion for this sport and I want to do well so this is why I was a bit frustrated. Sorry about that

http://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tanak-feeling-job-has-been-done
Wow. His attitude is a bit scary. It makes it sound like he's getting frustrated with the title again. I don't want him to go back to 2016!

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[seb_sh]

Another crazy rally!

The good: Tanak, whole Toyota team, Sordo's good pace on gravel, championship fight got tightened, saturday Red Bull tv production
The bad: Citroen car, Meeke, Paddon, wrcplus live stages commentary (seemed especially horrible after comparing it to Red Bull on saturday)

Matton finally making some "corrections" is also good and a break rally will probably help Meeke. After the SSS on thursday the first thing he said was he put the previous rallies out of his mind. Except he didn't and mentioning it at the first chance he got shows it. After that quote i was sure he would crash but it's now clear the car is the most set up sensitive by far of all '17 machines so can't put all blame on him.

Also, for me, Neuville has surpassed Ogier as biggest whiner by far.

[EstWRC]

Tänak in a hurry

https://www.facebook.com/EpicRallyTribe2.0/videos/677164292481911/

[stefanvv]

Also, for me, Neuville has surpassed Ogier as biggest whiner by far.

Oh, boy!

[GigiGalliNo1]

For McKlein

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I love this rally!

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[GigiGalliNo1]

Something special for the Estonians. Well done and congrats!

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[Watson]

Also, for me, Neuville has surpassed Ogier as biggest whiner by far.

He has become my villain, the attitude of a 3-year-old, the ego of a sociopath and a temper shorter than a yardstick in a black hole.

A very gifted driver without a doubt, but also a properly unlikeable character.

[Rally Power]

Huge congrats to Tanak and Jarveoja for their victory; first of many, surely. A big applause to EstWRC, bluuford and the other Estonian fans for their continuous support to Tanak, here on the forum and also on WRC stages, waving the nice looking Estonian flags!

Also huge congrats to Lappi for his pace and stage wins. I’ve said a long time ago: he’s champ material!

[Rally Power]

He has become my villain, the attitude of a 3-year-old, the ego of a sociopath and a temper shorter than a yardstick in a black hole. A very gifted driver without a doubt, but also a properly unlikeable character.

No need to be that harsh Watson. WRC isn't a popularity contest; we must praise drivers for their talent and forgive possible character flaws, having in mind the huge pressure they're submitted.