Wrc Deutschland 2017

[EstWRC]

michelin video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RuMydXHBus&feature=youtu.be&a

[KKS]

Lappi's comment on WRC radio in Finnish: "a bad day".
too much information as for him

[Rallyper]

Tidemand said he´s driving for the championship now, when loosing contact after puncture. Very wise, I should say.

[N.O.T]

Don't worry, we'll take over and conquer the whole series for a while.

how ?

[KKS]

Did Kopecky said he had a puncture on this stage? Or he about Panzerplatte?

[dimviii]

Don't worry, we'll take over and conquer the whole series for a while.

that was much better


sorry guys, but we're gonna take back what's ours and rule it for a long long time.

[dimviii]

Did Kopecky said he had a puncture on this stage? Or he about Panzerplatte?

about Panzerplatte said.

Sat 19:01 - SS17: WRC 2 Kopecky
Second in WRC 2 but still ruing the Panzerplatte puncture that robbed him of the lead. "What positive can I take from today? Well, I'm making less mistakes than I'm getting punctures. It's incredible. Just bad luck."

[macebig]

Weather prediction for tomorrow?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHm6iwaXYAEGUwl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHm6jZ0XUAUwXUt.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHm6lSkWsAAHTfT.jpg

[EstWRC]

Weather prediction for tomorrow?

same as today.

[EstWRC]

Leg 2 https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/36020-adac-rallye-deutschland-2017/?leg=2

[EstWRC]

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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnDMoMWAAIlVwn.jpg

[mknight]

To answer myself from the morning:



Things to watch today:

- Tanak on dry tarmac, in Corsica he was a bit behind the top 3 in speed, how about here.
- C3 on dry tarmac
- Ogier usually is very good on Panzerplatte, how about Neuville this year (related: tirewear on I20?)
- Breen vs Hanninen

- Tanak was surprisingly good on dry tarmac. Compared with most others he gained due to tires in the morning, but Ogier had same tires and still Tanak was at least as fast if not faster.
- C3 on dry tarmac (vs cars with same tires) was good/very good but after some of the hype (originating mostly from Citroen) it clearly wasn't much faster than the other cars in the hands of any of the 3 drivers.
- we didn't get to see Neuville there
- Hanninen again surprisingly good (even though he gained a lot as the only guy with hard tires in the morning) and Breen not as fast as expected (see C3 comment), but Breen also has minimal experience in Germany (only two times and never in WRC)

Additional observations:
- really hard to tell how much Ogier was pushing and how much he was playing it safe
- Lappi got some hard feedback about tarmac speed, not unexpectedly
- Sordo won 3 stages, but still overall for the day still not very fast even compared with cars on same tires, based on that I doubt he could have charged for win

[AnttiL]

Breen had like three overshoots today alone. He seems quite lost on these roads.

[Eli]

- Sordo won 3 stages, but still overall for the day still not very fast even compared with cars on same tires, based on that I doubt he could have charged for win

Don't forget Sordo's confidence was knocked after yesterday's off so you can't blame him fully for not being any faster imho.


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[mknight]

Don't forget Sordo's confidence was knocked after yesterday's off so you can't blame him fully for not being any faster imho.


Yes, it's clearly a factor, maybe he could have been faster. But in similar situations on previous rallies this year he typically racked staged wins after returning anyway.

[KKS]

Don't forget that Sordo had full soft tyres for 1st pass a Panzerplatte where they didn't work properly

[mknight]

Finally got to watch Neuville's onboard and it doesn't seem so mythical after all.

He starts to go sideways on power while left wheel is still in the cut. Wouldn't really blame him, most others took same cut, but it seems to explain what happened.

------------

Don't forget that Sordo had full soft tyres for 1st pass a Panzerplatte where they didn't work properly

As had everyone except Tanak, Ogier, Paddon and Hanninen.

[KKS]

As had everyone except Tanak, Ogier, Paddon and Hanninen.
14 sec of 20 at Day2 he lost on SS10 with soft tyres. And just +6 sec to fastest 'soft tyres' driver

[olemann]

After Finland, the Finns were invincible, what are the Finns now? Looks like they play on ice like Bambi.

[AL14]

Don't worry, we'll take over and conquer the whole series for a while.

It's not that first time I see some of you acting as badass regarding finnish domination in rally.
I know you are ironic (I guess) but I still don't think it's the case after all the painful beating you are taking for 15 years, and it didn't stop yet.

[mknight]

14 sec of 20 at Day2 he lost on SS10 with soft tyres. And just +6 sec to fastest 'soft tyres' driver

- Latvala lost 2 mins with puncture, without that his total was about 10 ahead of Sordo.
- Mikkelsen lost 13 with the two mistakes, without that he would be 17 ahead of Sordo for the leg.

Sure it's not like Sordo is much behind, that's basically same speed and maybe slightly pointless comparison. Probably just an overreaction of mine to the TV commentators saying how Sordo would win without the off yesterday.

[stefanvv]

I know you are ironic (I guess) but I still don't think it's the case after all the painful beating you are taking for 15 years, and it didn't stop yet.

Oh I think he is serious with all the young talented Finns coming around. But You're right, they might rest for awhile at least while Ogier is still in the series.

[JUF]

Heiko Maas, Minister of Justice in Germany, co-driving with Kevin Abbring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksq3czb3P3g

I´m really surprised to see Kevin in an official M-Sport-Fiesta! I thought he is still an official Hyundai driver (doing roll outs etc.). But obviously he is not?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/posts/10154920620840678

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQqKtPjEQs

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnfD3EXUAAVcAn?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Heiko Maas, Minister of Justice in Germany, co-driving with Kevin Abbring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksq3czb3P3g

I´m really surprised to see Kevin in an official M-Sport-Fiesta! I thought he is still an official Hyundai driver (doing roll outs etc.). But obviously he is not?

No, Kevin has been just driving a Peugeot in Belgium this year.

[AnttiL]

After Finland, the Finns were invincible, what are the Finns now? Looks like they play on ice like Bambi.

Jari Huttunen is the best 2WD car by a margin of 2:14.6

[macebig]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnfD3EXUAAVcAn?format=jpg&name=large

Meeke isn't restarting? Looks like that was the rock bottom... Sad...

[AnttiL]

official WRC site lists Meeke on the retirements list

EDIT: also here http://int-media.citroen.com/en/mikkelsen-hangs-tough/

[Roy]

Meeke isn't restarting? Looks like that was the rock bottom... Sad...

From Citroën press realese:

Meeke: ...We won't be rejoining under Rally2 rules tomorrow for three reasons: we don't want to run the risk of damaging the engine, Paul's wife gave birth to a baby boy this afternoon and we've nothing to gain from contesting the last four short stages."

[bugwrx]

From Citroën press realese:

Meeke: ...We won't be rejoining under Rally2 rules tomorrow for three reasons: we don't want to run the risk of damaging the engine, Paul's wife gave birth to a baby boy this afternoon and we've nothing to gain from contesting the last four short stages."

Now that is some serious bullshit here ...

[Roy]

When the road is dry Neuville, Ogier, and I think even Mikkelsen are faster then Tänak. The Estonian did an amazing job. He handle the car good on tricky conditions and has a lot if luck today. But in dry situation it will be difficult for him to stay in front. I hope I am wrong. He did a really good job today.

And Tänak proofs me wrong. We have missed a battle for championship so Ogier was holding off. But Tänak did an amazing job today, again.

Was thinking this day at the days when I start following rally and see in Tänak more and more a new Märtin. I hope for you Estonians, Tänak can finish the job Märtin started and make possible for him. But is to early for that. Fingers crossed for tomorrow stages.

[JUF]

No, Kevin has been just driving a Peugeot in Belgium this year. Apart from competing in Monte-Carlo for Hyundai, he has been just driving a Peugeot competitively, you´re right. But I´m pretty sure I saw an Instagram story some weeks ago with him testing an official Hyundai rally car! The one doesn't exclude the other, you know... :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

Now that is some serious bullshit here ...

maybe not if the retirementwas due to water pump=overheated engine.

[Allez Andruet]

It's not that first time I see some of you acting as badass regarding finnish domination in rally.
I know you are ironic (I guess) but I still don't think it's the case after all the painful beating you are taking for 15 years, and it didn't stop yet.

Hell no, there's not single bit of irony there. Trashtalk it sure is, but I'm quite sure we're gonna back it up in the near future.

Btw, sorry to let you down, but regaring the "beating"... we've taken more WRC medals than any other country during the 15 years you mentioned.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnsx9zXYAECY6M?format=jpg&name=large

[eddy707]

Lappi's comment on WRC radio in Finnish: "a bad day".

That made me remember Gronholm :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr-PISRQfpI

[Andre Oliveira]

Spanish to beginners

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnutEtXcAEjB8a?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So first stage on Sunday morning at 7.25am (6.25am UK) and then a gap of an hour and a half til the next one, then another hour and a half gap, then another etc.. great. :rolleyes:

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97yakLhHwVM
RallyMedia video

and wooouuhhh that Opel extremely lucky!

[KKS]

So first stage on Sunday morning at 7.25am (6.25am UK) and then a gap of an hour and a half til the next one, then another hour and a half gap, then another etc.. great. :rolleyes:
we have comfortable here with start at 8.25am Kyiv time :D

[JoostSchouten]

Thanks for sharing KKS! ;)
It was a crazy section at the Panzerplatte! Visited it two times.
The second loop of that stage the last car (another Opel Adam) crashed really really heavy there! (car rolled and even went on fire) Luckily they didn't have heavy injuries.
At request of the driver I will not publish those shots.

[sonnybobiche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97yakLhHwVM
RallyMedia video

and wooouuhhh that Opel extremely lucky!

The WRC TV coverage would be so much more interesting if they just paid like $100 for this kind of footage from the fans and included it in their broadcast. But no, they have to pay 10 guys probably $50 per hour and buy them $3000 cameras. For what? For them to sit there and film the same boring shot over and over again. Wooooow, slow motion dirt, woooooooow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

we have comfortable here with start at 8.25am Kyiv time :D

Still gaps between the stages though...

[mknight]

And Tänak proofs me wrong. We have missed a battle for championship so Ogier was holding off. But Tänak did an amazing job today, again.

Was thinking this day at the days when I start following rally and see in Tänak more and more a new Märtin. I hope for you Estonians, Tänak can finish the job Märtin started and make possible for him. But is to early for that. Fingers crossed for tomorrow stages.

Since you bring the comparison up..

I really hope Tanak doesn't do what Martin did. Leaving M-Sport just as he starts winning with them (due to salary?).

There is no guarantee the Toyota (or other car) will be competitive and that it will suit him, after all he developed the Fiesta to his liking and got for sure some interesting feedback/info from Ogier to help.

[Mirek]

Did they have pacenotes? https://youtu.be/hciiVxDcMFM

[Andre Oliveira]

For the most distracted:

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/129586/msport-ready-to-use-team-orders-to-help-ogier

"I want to win the drivers' championship and this is the best chance I've had and, from where I'm sitting right now, it could be my last chance to do that," Wilson told Autosport.

"If I have to do it [use team orders], I will do."

[COD]

Did they have pacenotes? https://youtu.be/hciiVxDcMFM

1. Was not listening
2. Wrong pacenote
3 co-driver mistake

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For the most distracted:

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/129586/msport-ready-to-use-team-orders-to-help-ogier

"I want to win the drivers' championship and this is the best chance I've had and, from where I'm sitting right now, it could be my last chance to do that," Wilson told Autosport.

"If I have to do it [use team orders], I will do."

Wilson certainly doesnt 'have to do it' here with Ogier's 3rd place already outscoring Neuville.

[Andre Oliveira]

If Ogier catch Andreas... so easy be late in TC.

[macebig]

I don't think Malcolm will use team orders here. Maybe at Wales or Australia.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/uDhagqRkVW4

[bugwrx]

https://youtu.be/o7tI8Bz4yic

Press conference

[Kris82]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHl5pt3XcAAQNtN.jpg
Is that the corner where Neuvile's wheel fell of on that picture by Breen?

[Andre Oliveira]

Good morning all. Lets see the action.

[AnttiL]

Problems for Evans? Slower than Kremer

EDIT: Stalled the engine somewhere

[KKS]

Morning guys... seems now we have old good Sunday driving here

[AnttiL]

Tänak taking it easy

EDIT: no, he improved after the split

[KKS]

Funny stage-end quote by Tanak :D

[mknight]

as always on sunday it's hard to tell who is pushing but still Hanninen surprises again.

Also a bit surprised by Ogier, was expecting him to try to put some pressure early to see if Mikkelsen cracks before settling for points.

[KKS]

You don't see it from yesterday and hope the same today? Ogier will not attack Mikkelsen! He pretty comfortable where here is now.

[dimviii]

good morning guys!

*@Michelin_Sport
Replying to @Michelin_Sport
#Tyre info - final day: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 except @MSportLtd with 4H+1S #RallyeDeutschland

[mknight]

You don't see it from yesterday and hope the same today? Ogier will not attack Mikkelsen! He pretty comfortable where here is now.

Specially for the first stage he could drive "safe" and fast to see if Mikkelsen still does mistakes like yesterday. 5s behind on such a short stage doesn't fit with that. Taking risks and pushing is another level.

[AnttiL]

Greensmith retired and Suninen passed Gilbert, he's back to fourth in WRC2

[KKS]

Huttenen on R2 faster than both Trophy WRC Cars :D

[RS]

as always on sunday it's hard to tell who is pushing but still Hanninen surprises again.

Not really a surprise for me, he became quite a good tarmac driver in his IRC days, and I think this is only his second proper tarmac event in a World Rally Car?

[mknight]

Not really a surprise for me, he became quite a good tarmac driver in his IRC days, and I think this is only his second proper tarmac event in a World Rally Car?

2nd event yes. In IRC days he was good on tarmac, but he also was as fast (and sometimes faster) as Neuville and Mikkelsen on gravel then.

[AnttiL]

Hänninen also made some good stage times in Monte and Corsica

[KKS]

Good stage again from Hanninen. I wonder why he didn't go so fast on days before.

[AnttiL]

Ott keeps going at full speed.

[AnttiL]

Wow Lappi stage win

[EstWRC]

Ott keeps going at full speed.

no he didnt....took it safe, even said the notes were quite slow and safe

[Thousandlakes]

Lappi first stage win in asphalt in wrc level. Lets see if he can keep that pace in power stage.

[KKS]

Toyota quick this morning.... even slow Lappi :)

[mknight]

Maybe the good Toyota times (all 3 of them now) are also due to the quite faster stages today.

[AnttiL]

Toyota quick this morning.... even slow Lappi :)

Lappi said he analyzed what's wrong with his driving and seems to have found the cure. That's the way to go.

[KKS]

Sunninen out somewhere

[AnttiL]

Oh Suninen did it again :( would have been better to take it safe now that Tidemand was uncatchable and Gilbert wouldn't have been faster than him anyway. Instead he was pushing up to Kopecky's split times...

[dimviii]

Lappi first stage win in asphalt in wrc level. Lets see if he can keep that pace in power stage.

front runners are not pushing.

[dimviii]

"Andreas, what's the plan for tomorrow? Make the podium or try to attack for victory?"
"Help Thierry in the championship and beat Seb"

Interview: Olivier Gaspard (RTBF)

[A FONDO]

"Andreas, what's the plan for tomorrow? Make the podium or try to attack for victory?"
"Help Thierry in the championship and beat Seb"

Interview: Olivier Gaspard (RTBF)

Seb is not even pushing anyway. What a twat. He is even worse than Hirvonen in 2011 and 2009.

[mknight]

Waiting for the PS....for speculation:

The top 4 drivers in this rally (seemingly) all don't have contracts for next year. There are also (seemingly) 4 seats available.

[AnttiL]

All day I was expecting Neuville to win the Power Stage but it seems he's lost with his pace (or then he's playing mind games). Could Lappi surprise? Top 4 probably want just to hold their positions. Breen and Evans might give it a go, but Evans seems to be going nowhere today. Latvala probably doing very well.

[mknight]

Evans said he had some soft tires while all others had hard.

[KKS]

Toyota fly today
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHp5ACgXYAAwmNj.jpg

[dimviii]

Sun 10:28 - SS20: Stage conditions
Report from the driver of the road-opening zero car. "Pretty much the same as before. A few places where there is mud in the narrow corners."

[RS]

Good stage again from Hanninen. I wonder why he didn't go so fast on days before.

He won Panzerplatte yesterday.

[KKS]

Good first split from Breen

[KKS]

He won Panzerplatte yesterday.
More or less because of tyres. In more equal circumstances his not driving so fast. But yeah... that stage was so fast

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Six hours for 4 short stages and driver's not pushing in 3 of them..

[AnttiL]

Good first split from Breen

He's gonna catch Evans

[Mise]

Good first split from Breen

And a bad split for Evans

[dimviii]

He's gonna catch Evans
if he catch him he will finished again 5th lol

[KKS]

Oh just 1.7 sec to PS... will be interesting

[jparker]

I wonder what the Ford boys prefer now, Tanak wining, or slowing down to 3rd?

[KKS]

I wonder what the Ford boys prefer now, Tanak wining, or slowing down to 3rd?
Through away 7 manufacture points? Don't think it's good idea for Malcolm.

[AnttiL]

Oh no Lappi what's going on

[AnttiL]

Through away 7 manufacture points? Don't think it's good idea for Malcolm.

and throwing away a victory, don't see that happening

[jparker]

Through away 7 manufacture points? Don't think it's good idea for Malcolm.
Yes, but he wants WDC title more.
This is the real test to see what he actually wants.

[AnttiL]

Are we gonna get a 10th stage winner in this rally?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes, but he wants WDC title more.
This is the real test to see what he actually wants.

Tanak will win and shut up your nonsense.

[Augury]

Are we gonna get a 10th stage winner in this rally?

Yep, second stage win of the season for Breen.

[Eli]

Yep, second stage win of the season for Breen.

When was his first? remind me again.

[AnttiL]

When was his first? remind me again.

Out of my head I think it was Sardegna where three drivers shared the fastest time. The one stage where Breen's car felt like a Playstation and on other stages it was "diabolical"

EDIT: checked and it was Portugal.

[mknight]

When was his first? remind me again.

Portugal SS4

[Eli]

Portugal SS4

Cheers, hope he nets more stage wins this year, really need it for his confidence.

[jparker]

Tanak will win and shut up your nonsense.
Could you tell me what nonsense are you referring to? I just ask a question. What's with your attitude?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Could you tell me what nonsense are you referring to? I just ask a question. What's with your attitude?

Yout usual anti-M-Sport shit stirring.

[Ucci]

Yes, he should. To prove he is fast. ;)

After all-you were wrong.

[jparker]

Yout usual anti-M-Sport shit stirring.
Sometimes life is bitter my frind, you should take it easy.

[Mintexmemory]

Tanak will bring the win home as in Sardinia which will also not compete with Ogier for PS points. Expect Seb to be saving his tyres for the PS

[EstWRC]

5 minute gaps between TOP3 drivers on power stage

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqYkXCWAAA-AP2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqZVV5WAAAtM5Q.jpg

Tom ¨nn‏*@Umlaut_doubleN
So that's what teared off @thierryneuville & @nicolasgilsoul wheel
Not impressed. That I20 ain't no VW #WRC #RallyGermany #MadeOfCrystal
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHqI1QoXkAAmL1z.jpg

[Mirek]

That's definitely big enough step to brake suspension if the wheel is hit from the side. It's not about I20 vs. Polo. Driving sideways over such edge is pure gamble.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sometimes life is bitter

Arent you just proof of that..

[dimviii]

Sun 11:27 - SS21 start intervals
Longer than normal. Three minutes for the first three cars. Four minutes for Tidemand to Hanninen. Five minutes for the final three cars.

Sun 11:27 - SS21 running order
A few changes to suit the live TV schedule. Here's how the drivers will tackle the Power Stage: 1.Lappi, 2.Sordo, 3.Neuville, 4.Tidemand, 5.Kremer, 6.Paddon, 7.Latvala, 8.Breen, 9.Evans, 10.Hänninen, 11.Ogier, 12.Mikkelsen, 13.Tänak

[dimviii]

That's definitely big enough step to brake suspension if the wheel is hit from the side. It's not about I20 vs. Polo. Driving sideways over such edge is pure gamble.

yes that's right,but you can see that the ''step'' is for some 15cm,after and before, its almost no step.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

3, 4, 5 minute gaps... could they drag today out any more.

[Mirek]

yes that's right,but you can see that the ''step'' is for some 15cm,after and before, its almost no step.

Yes, but that's not a problem of the car as the hashtag suggests...

[dimviii]

Yes, but that's not a problem of the car as the hashtag suggests...

neither I agree,i just post the photo to see how big was the step

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi going for it there ! :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville is slow, not going to get many PS points.

[BigWorm]

Awful, not gone to plan this rally. On to the next.

[mknight]

Hyundai really does struggle on fast roads. Now on tarmac just as well as on gravel in Finland.

[Eli]

Neuville is slow, not going to get many PS points.

It'll be a miracle if Neuville gets a point here, although Tanak won't risk it...tough to call.

[Eli]

Hyundai really does struggle on fast roads. Now on tarmac just as well as on gravel in Finland.

Well they have 7 weeks to figure things out until RACC and manage all their speed struggles.

[BigWorm]

It'll be a miracle if Neuville gets a point here, although Tanak won't risk it...tough to call.

I don't think it's good enough. Zero points this rally I'm afraid.

[Ucci]

Neuville is slow, not going to get many PS points.
Shame...I think he lost all motivation....shitty weekend for Hyundai.

[Ucci]

Well they have 7 weeks to figure things out until RACC and manage all their speed struggles.
Yes, but championship will be over by RACC....

[Eli]

Yes, but championship will be over by RACC....

For Hyundai it looks like only a matter of time, however Neuville....time will tell.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yet another 5th for Breen coming ? ;)

[noel157]

Yet another 5th for Breen coming ? ;)

He'd be wise just to let the hare sit. Too risky.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ha Breen's face !

[macebig]

Front lift again from the C3...

[BigWorm]

The DMacks can't compete with the Michelins on tarmac. Shame for Elfyn really.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disappointing for Evans and the new tarmac DMacks.

[Eli]

Well done for Breen, 6th time for him this season.

[noel157]

The DMacks can't compete with the Michelins on tarmac. Shame for Elfyn really.

Forgot about that. More slow Evans than fast Breen perhaps. Good for Breen.

[Mirek]

Disappointing for Evans and the new tarmac DMacks.

Disappointing? They have never been so close to Michelin.

[Ucci]

Disappointing? They have never been so close to Michelin.
Agree with that!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job Seb... beats Neuville.

[dimviii]

zero points for Neuville.Not good.

[Ucci]

Ogier (again) on safe mode in PS...

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie‏*@planetemarcus
#WRC In the moment Ogier secures 17pts ahead Neuville in driver Championship http://bit.ly/2uK7wU4* #DeutschlandRallye

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent rally by Mikkelsen. Must guarantee a seat for 2018.

[Eli]

Actually glad Meeke isn't competing today, just not hearing that:"the man from Dungannon" makes me happy.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tremendous tarmac Tanak !!

He's the complete driver now.

[dimviii]

where is EstWRC?

[Ucci]

?...tarmac Tanak !!


Tarmac Tanak...I like it.

[macebig]

A-MA-ZING!!! Best tarmac result for Ford since Catalunya 2000(!!!).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First ever Rally Germany win for Ford M-Sport !

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

From TiTanak to Tarnak.. :)

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk

[GravelBen]

where is EstWRC?

Drunk already?

[BigWorm]

Tänak right up there with Neuville now. What a weekend for M-Sport, Ogier edges clear and the constructors is essentially done and dusted.

Big, big test for Neuville's mentality now. Basically needs to win the remaining three now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disappointing? They have never been so close to Michelin.

Solid weekend from @ElfynEvans & @danielbarritt - 6th is our top Tarmac result in WRC. Made big improvements from Corsica, still work to do.

[Ucci]

Big, big test for Neuville's mentality now. Basically needs to win the remaining three now.
No way dude.....

[dimviii]

Tanak very close with Neuville at points.
One point less actually than Neuville from Ogier(16 vs 17)

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ha ha what a joke WRC twitter is.. :)

BREAKING NEWS: Victory for Lappi - https://t.co/cMcivCvoZP https://t.co/XPt4JyNKCq

[EightGear]

Good win by Lappi...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/f7b7943a0c434143bf963a8b93cd237e.jpg

[itix]

Good win by Lappi...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/f7b7943a0c434143bf963a8b93cd237e.jpgBrilliant! :D

[BigWorm]

No way dude.....

Definitely possible. Only questionmark is Spain where he has been pretty average in the past, GB and Australia have been good hunting grounds for him.

[Eli]

A-MA-ZING!!! Best tarmac result for Ford since Catalunya 2000(!!!).

Annoying that Ford is getting the recognition without them actually being there, I mean I know it's a Ford Fiesta but Malcolm more than deserves Full Factory Status next year.

[AMSS]

Nothing else useful in Ogier's pocket I guess.
He can't make the junk go faster, so why not do some publicity of his fading superiority.

This "junk" has now won the most events this season and is leading both drivers and manufactorer championships, just admit you`re wrong and move on, just as a lot of us myself included have had to do regarding Toyota

[focus206]

Definitely possible. Only questionmark is Spain where he has been pretty average in the past, GB and Australia have been good hunting grounds for him.

I guess he can count on Ogier opening the roads on gravel for the next rallies, but it'll still be super hard... Ogier crashed only once and never had major mechanical problems this season...

[Tauri_J]

A-MA-ZING!!! Best tarmac result for Ford since Catalunya 2000(!!!).

Märtin won two tarmac events in 2004

[Ucci]

Well, "Deutschland" didn't disappointed me....event full of action, retairments, changable weather....
Tanak-again positive surprise. Big congrats. It will be interesting to see pickem results...
Mikkelsen-third event in C3, second place. Nothing to add....done with master's degree!
Ogier-for me the biggest winner of this rally. 17 points lead will give him some peacefull sleeping before Spain. And he showed, that is possible to drive this beasts for two days on 95% of their performance.
Juha Hanninen-well done. No dramas, good for his confidence.
M-Sport: the constructive title is already in their hand. Awesome result for Malcom.

[N.O.T]

fantastic win by tanak... unmistakable run throughout.

the potato joke will retire in at least 2 events from now on... he will go down in history like the bozzo the clown who lost the championship in a superior car to the driver who got constantly ridiculed by his team mate and he could not find a way out of super specials...

i feel sorry for the hyundai team... they build a great car but they choose useless dogs to drive them... the human resources manager should be proud.

[itix]

Annoying that Ford is getting the recognition without them actually being there, I mean I know it's a Ford Fiesta but Malcolm more than deserves Full Factory Status next year.Truth has been spoken. It is pathetic that Ford still has not given them a phone call and a contract. They have the chance to replicate VW with a strong package and a world champion driver...

Have they? No. The marketing department or possibly the entire management of Ford should be sacked. They just released the very successful Focus RS too (where RS stands for rally sport).

[sonnybobiche]

As much as I would criticize the organization of the rally, I have to say they did a lot of cool and interesting stuff after the powerstage. That soundbite from the Tanak's car to the "pit wall" at the end was very F1, they should do that more often. And going straight to the real podium after the powerstage and showing the whole podium celebration was great as well. They did that in Sweden as well and it was awesome. Very interesting result in terms of putting more intrigue into the driver market (Mikkelsen) the driver championship (Ogier) and interesting also that Tanak and Ogier are on the same number of wins! I suspected this was going to be a great year for the sport, and it has been just that. The only element missing would have been just a tiny bit more reliability from Jari-Matti's car and it would be a 3 or 4 way title fight going into the summer break. Great.

[itix]

This "junk" has now won the most events this season and is leading both drivers and manufactorer championships, just admit you`re wrong and move on, just as a lot of us myself included have had to do regarding ToyotaPeople like him and not will never see the truth...

[Ucci]

Definitely possible. Only questionmark is Spain where he has been pretty average in the past, GB and Australia have been good hunting grounds for him.
Well, this is enormous stress. He will not handle it.

[AMSS]

Truth has been spoken. It is pathetic that Ford still has not given them a phone call and a contract. They have the chance to replicate VW with a strong package and a world champion driver...

Have they? No. The marketing department or possibly the entire management of Ford should be sacked. They just released the very successful Focus RS too (where RS stands for rally sport).

If Ford does not wake up to the situation fast and give M-sport full factory support for next season and get to keep both Tänak and Ogier than at least the idiot of the year award is a no brainer.. ;)

[BigWorm]

Well, this is enormous stress. He will not handle it.

As I said, massive test for his mentality if he's up for it.

[KKS]

The DMacks can't compete with the Michelins on tarmac. Shame for Elfyn really.
Yeah... when you compete with Soft DMacks over Hard Michelins.... it's a mistake to put soft here

[doubled1978]

In a funny way if Neuville can keep his head it might work in his favour... If he can chip away over the next two events he could head in Australia a few points behind but, starting behind Seb on day 1 which will be an advantage....
Lots to happen before that tho...

[EstWRC]

YEEEEEEHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, WUHUUUUUUUUUUUU TARMAC TÄNAK :D


i held my horses before the rally, i remember when some members here made predictions how fast some drivers will be then i really wanted to write Tänak is gonna surprise you all. (remember how i wrote there will be surprises ;) )

But to be honest even i didnt predict such a performance. i thought he will mix with TOP3 definitely and 3rd was also my prediction.. He drove very maturely, got the lead on friday and held it perfectly. Okay we must admit he was very lucky also getting out of the vineyards on friday but that was the only mistake he made the whole weekend.


Amazing weekend and today is Estonias Re-Independence day so all in all everything is very good and perfect. :)

[Francis44]

Supreme work by Tanak and also Ogier, here you see why he is champion.

I am not necessarily sure the championship is over, Ogier is not so strong on GB. Let's wait and see, I would be extremely happy to see M-Sport and Ogier champions.

[MartijnS]

Really nice victory for Tanak.
We had a pretty good rally. Didnt like the super special and the first stage of friday, but apart from that some good spots and nice action, especially on the Panzerplatte! Great fast new section there with such a tricky jump. Big big scare when really the last car of the rally crashed there very hard and started to burn immediately, but everything ended well for the crew, gladly.

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https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20901557_1508072649236123_6297102172250425186_o.jp g?oh=72fc2909aefd525a00fb7f4720129f6e&oe=5A17E36E

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20988819_1508072279236160_4718037659564533049_o.jp g?oh=01eed6f076e0a78c98b2efb5a3ce02ab&oe=5A1905CC

Some more photos at https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1444481895639775.1073741916.102597653161546&type=3 ! Next is Spain :)

[Mintexmemory]

I am not necessarily sure the championship is over, Ogier is not so strong on GB.
How is winning the last 4 editions 'not so strong? The time before he didn't win was 2011 when he binned it purposely at Great Orme.
Ogier will have the championship sewn up when Wales is over. Neuville must hope that the gravel in Spain is dry or he has no chance of matching Ogier

[Francis44]

His results in GB were only strong when he was in VW, before that he was very prone to mistakes there, I think if the pressure is on he might cave there.

[doubled1978]

How is winning the last 4 editions 'not so strong? The time before he didn't win was 2011 when he binned it purposely at Great Orme.
Ogier will have the championship sewn up when Wales is over. Neuville must hope that the gravel in Spain is dry or he has no chance of matching Ogier
I don't think anything is decided, a mistake or a mechanical can change everything. One thing is for sure, Neuville has to go flat out tho...should be good to watch.

[jparker]

This "junk" has now won the most events this season and is leading both drivers and manufactorer championships, just admit you`re wrong and move on, just as a lot of us myself included have had to do regarding Toyota

Resultwise yes, I have to admit it, but that has more to do with better team work and relable driving.

[N.O.T]

Really nice victory for Tanak.
We had a pretty good rally. Didnt like the super special and the first stage of friday, but apart from that some good spots and nice action, especially on the Panzerplatte! Great fast new section there with such a tricky jump. Big big scare when really the last car of the rally crashed there very hard and started to burn immediately, but everything ended well for the crew, gladly.

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20988386_1508072655902789_4744116545280865290_o.jp g?oh=b5298b49992c4723a948dc411f18ba8d&oe=5A2BEAE7

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https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20901557_1508072649236123_6297102172250425186_o.jp g?oh=72fc2909aefd525a00fb7f4720129f6e&oe=5A17E36E

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20988819_1508072279236160_4718037659564533049_o.jp g?oh=01eed6f076e0a78c98b2efb5a3ce02ab&oe=5A1905CC

Some more photos at https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1444481895639775.1073741916.102597653161546&type=3 ! Next is Spain :)

the lack of flowers and rivers in your pictures is disturbing kid... its like you went to Germany to see a rally.

[jparker]

Very disappointed by Neuville. Sordo won the PS, so car has the potential.
Having said that, his car sounded very strange durring the PS. Anyway, title looks out of reach now.

[Tarmop]

Resultwise yes, I have to admit it, but that has more to do with better team work and relable driving.

Do you even understand what kind of rubbish you are saying? Yes, consistent driving and team work is and has always been the key to succeed but without a car it`s impossible.

[bugwrx]

Shame for the poland off by tänak, can only imagine the situation we would have now.

But oh well ..

[BigWorm]

Ogier is not so strong on GB.

Think you got it wrong there mate, Ogier has led GB every stage since 2013.

[Mintexmemory]

His results in GB were only strong when he was in VW, before that he was very prone to mistakes there, I think if the pressure is on he might cave there.

You mean his results were only strong (4 in a row) when he became a mature competitor and No1 - He super rallied right to the end in 2011 winning the PS so only 2008-10 were 'poor' results. Ancient history!!

[N.O.T]

the championship is over, the potato dog is nothing....

[jparker]

Do you even understand what kind of rubbish you are saying? Yes, consistent driving and team work is and has always been the key to succeed but without a car it`s impossible.

How many times Neuville bined it, and how many times Ogier did te same.
If Neuville had been more reliable, he would've become a champion by now.

[rallysupportnl]

Highlights WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2017! [HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cIo2lqBFZE

[Tarmop]

How many times Neuville bined it, and how many times Ogier did te same.
If Neuville had been more reliable, he would've become a champion by now.

Ogier binned it in Finland, with no PS points etc. Ifs aren`t worth talking about, what has happened, has happened.

[Mirek]

His results in GB were only strong when he was in VW, before that he was very prone to mistakes there, I think if the pressure is on he might cave there.

Ogier took his first stage victory already on his very first stage with WRC car - in Wales.

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Tanak/Jarveoja and MSport. Great to see Mikkelsen and Citroen on the podium again. Nice win for Camilli and another stunning show from Huttunen. We’re all excited with Rovanpera achievements but Huttunen is probably this year revelation and it’d be a waste no to see a manu giving him a chance in WRC2.

Despite Neuville’s bad result, I still believe that the title will be only decided in Australia. Neuville is more at ease in chasing mode and Ogier always suffers from being first on the road. It’d be great seeing them fight till the end of such a fantastic season. Fingers crossed.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier took his first stage victory already on his very first stage with WRC car - in Wales.

Ssssh ....then he rolled!

[dimviii]

Ott Tänak‏*@OttTanak
These guys were my secret for win this weekend!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHrTVfkWsAEAWct.jpg

[EstWRC]

Neuville fans ? :D



http://www.rallifoorum.ee/foorum/download/file.php?id=547

[AL14]

the championship is over, the potato dog is nothing....

Why "potato"?

[AL14]

Have you looked at Tanak face during and after the PS? When I play with my playstation I am more emotional and agitated than him driving a real car in a real world championship. I don't remember this cool attitude in his past. This is also a good improvement. The guy can handle pressure and that means a lot these days.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice aero-effect comparison:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHq7486XYAAi2oN.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHq767eXgAANijv.jpg

[EightGear]

Have you looked at Tanak face during and after the PS? When I play with my playstation I am more emotional and agitated than him driving a real car in a real world championship. I don't remember this cool attitude in his past. This is also a good improvement. The guy can handle pressure and that means a lot these days.Poland last year was quite different, when he lost.

[racerx1979]

Great result for Tanak!!
Andreas with a near perfect drive!
Hanninen also had a good drive and fastest Toyota. Hope he continues to do well moving forward.
Ogier has ball in his court, but it's still too close to call.
Lappi showing good improvement. Kid is good!
RACC is going to be great.

[stefanvv]

C3's front is not very aerodynamic is it?

[AL14]

Poland last year was quite different, when he lost.Agree but I wasn't referring to that :), it was a more general analysis :)

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[mknight]

C3's front is not very aerodynamic is it?

Doesn't look like that.

That said in Poland Toyotas did this nose-high landing a lot as well (especially Hanninen), then there were the test vids for Finland where one day all Toyotas were nose-high and then second day all were level. Similar for Citroen. So I guess it depends a lot on settings and also on what you do right before going up in the air.

[rallyfanbelgium]

Mistakes and show Rallye Deutschland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18n1oJ0E4P4

[Thousandlakes]

Totally agree with Huttunen. He definetely deserve wrc2 seat



Congrats to Tanak/Jarveoja and MSport. Great to see Mikkelsen and Citroen on the podium again. Nice win for Camilli and another stunning show from Huttunen. We’re all excited with Rovanpera achievements but Huttunen is probably this year revelation and it’d be a waste no to see a manu giving him a chance in WRC2.

Despite Neuville’s bad result, I still believe that the title will be only decided in Australia. Neuville is more at ease in chasing mode and Ogier always suffers from being first on the road. It’d be great seeing them fight till the end of such a fantastic season. Fingers crossed.

[Duvel]

Great rally by Tanak, impressive! Also really nice to see Mikkelsen on the podium again, good to keep him in the picture for the teams.
A shame Neuville didnt perform as i was expecting him to do. Hope he can bounce back, whit the pace he showed on the first rally's of the season the championchip isn't over yet i think.

Cammili winning is also great, we where at the morning service on Friday watching the mecanics go ful gass on the right rear suspension, pressure was on whit Malcom whatching and coaching. The reward for the team is great than.

Hutinnen in the Opel is a class appart to the other Opel drivers. Dont know whats in the finnisch guys food or something but they have got so much talents, ther futere seems sure.

[stefanvv]

Doesn't look like that.

That said in Poland Toyotas did this nose-high landing a lot as well (especially Hanninen), then there were the test vids for Finland where one day all Toyotas were nose-high and then second day all were level. Similar for Citroen. So I guess it depends a lot on settings and also on what you do right before going up in the air.

I sometimes have wondered why all other teams are going with edged wheel arches, but C3 engineers came with this round design, doesn't seem very aerodynamic, isn't? May be they just compensate the ugly front aero design with less downforce at the rear of the car. But I'm not aero expert, just guessing.

[mknight]

I sometimes have wondered why all other teams are going with edged wheel arches, but C3 engineers came with this round design, doesn't seem very aerodynamic, isn't? May be they just compensate the ugly front aero design with less downforce at the rear of the car. But I'm not aero expert, just guessing.

They had same wheelarches as all others in all test vids until the official launch.

Some speculation why they changed:
- the new design is better and they wanted to keep it secret or it wasn't ready due to some vind tunel testing/simulation (the opening upwards can help creating downforce due to the airstream from tires maybe?)
- the "traditional" ones were causing too much drag (but they should have seen that long before no?)

[hari]

Some images: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2017.html
Great ADAC Rallye Deutschland again.

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/deutschland2/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/deutschland3/1.jpg
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[stefanvv]

They had same wheelarches as all others in all test vids until the official launch.

Some speculation why they changed:
- the new design is better and they wanted to keep it secret or it wasn't ready due to some vind tunel testing/simulation (the opening upwards can help creating downforce due to the airstream from tires maybe?)
- the "traditional" ones were causing too much drag (but they should have seen that long before no?)

I don't mind to continue this nice discussion, but I'm not sure how competent we are:), moreover it's not the right thread for it. However just a final thought - if Citroen were hiding their final design to fool the competition, why the drivers were happy with the car performance so far?!? Is it just because there was no real comparison they could make? May be, may be, but anyway suddenly this year the car is undriveable on most of the rallies. They have to push too much all of a sudden?!?

[rallysupportnl]

Photos WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2017! (http://www.rallysupport.com/index.php?id=wrc-germany-2017-photos)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2017/WRCGERMANY2017/RallyeDeutschland-RallyGermanyRallysupport0003.JPG

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[mknight]

I don't mind to continue this nice discussion, but I'm not sure how competent we are:), moreover it's not the right thread for it. However just a final thought - if Citroen were hiding their final design to fool the competition, why the drivers were happy with the car performance so far?!? Is it just because there was no real comparison they could make? May be, may be, but anyway suddenly this year the car is undriveable on most of the rallies. They have to push too much all of a sudden?!?

I have no idea what the reason was, but it's a fact they changed it.
Example picture of the design on all public pictures from tarmac tests before: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HbRO1zOjTvY/V5Y4yYCTieI/AAAAAAAAtw4/kwmEr_t5_WcHPdYtJ0Xsr61FBUVY4HscQCLcB/s1600/citroen-c3-wrc-testing-asphalt-5.jpg

Matton said the drivers were happy after all tests. So might be more about the difficulty of driving when the setup is not spot on.

But yeah, going off topic. My last thought is that I just Breen jump that jump in first run of the PowerStage completely level, unlikely they changed the setup so maybe he just lifted on first pass.

[EstWRC]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/www.jree.ee/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1620752241290074


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[ziggysony]

video highlights adac rally Deutschland 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENXIJ2ELM8
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[stefanvv]

My last thought is that I just Breen jump that jump in first run of the PowerStage completely level, unlikely they changed the setup so maybe he just lifted on first pass.

From the pictures in question of him & Latvala the center of the car seems at nearly the same level at nearly the same place. So perhaps he just had braked more on the PS?!?

[EstWRC]

video highlights adac rally Deutschland 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENXIJ2ELM8
1376

amazing video like always! you really know how to find good places.

[dimviii]

amazing video like always! you really know how to find good places.

agree,always excellent videos with well choosen spots.Thank you.

[mknight]

video highlights adac rally Deutschland 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENXIJ2ELM8
1376

What stage is the very first spot?
(I want to check the onboards)

EDIT: Also the spectators on the outside of that dirty forest corner. Check out the guy just looking trough the camera lens as the Adam understeers right towards him.

[dimviii]

What stage is the very first spot?
(I want to check the onboards)
.

also the spot at 0,48

[mknight]

0.48 is Panzerplatte a bit after middle of the stage.

EDIT3: First spot is SS20 4:40 in.

[OldF]

Huttunen won RC4 by only 3:15. What the fuck did he do wrong not winning it by 4 minutes? It’s a mystery.:D

[MartijnS]

EDIT2: Meh can't find it, but should be either Mittlemosell or Grafshaft first pass since Neuville is still there and second pass was wet.

It'not Mittelmosel.

[mknight]

SS20 4:40 in.

[Andre Oliveira]

Huttunen won RC4 by only 3:15. What the fuck did he do wrong not winning it by 4 minutes? It’s a mystery.:D

He had a problem with tyre.

[Munkvy]

Lappi showing good improvement. Kid is good!


While he did win a stage, it was on the last day on the first run of the Power Stage. And he had already crashed once and been off road numerous times. I think he is driving on tarmac just like he used to in the IRC - into things. A more progressive approach to tarmac might be wiser. Better to do a Breen and come 5th, than to Rally2.

[Eli]

While he did win a stage, it was on the last day on the first run of the Power Stage. And he had already crashed once and been off road numerous times. I think he is driving on tarmac just like he used to in the IRC - into things. A more progressive approach to tarmac might be wiser. Better to do a Breen and come 5th, than to Rally2.

To do a Breen-5th, lol

[AL14]

My friends are coming back with a great trophy, Tanak's rearview window! Not a bad souvenir to remember the weekend :)

https://www.facebook.com/www.Rally.it/photos/a.10151420662827614.1073741837.168529437613/10154125031912614/?type=3&theater

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20915407_10154125031912614_5746572294634398629_n.j pg?oh=7f4abefef3e44ec43119630fe2b2960d&oe=5A27BE98

[stefanvv]

My friends are coming back with a great trophy, Tanak's rearview window! Not a bad souvenir to remember the weekend :)

"It's good for the aerodynamics"

Ott Tanak, ADAC Rallye Deutschland, 2017.

[dimviii]

Sunninen after off at 7.35
https://youtu.be/kYAPgpz-FzY

[EstWRC]

Tänak in estonian radio broadcast show saying that he really had to fight for the decision to take full wet tyres. The team didnt want so in the end they made a compromise with taking 3 full wet tyres and 2 soft although Tänak wanted to take 4 wet tyres.

Says big thanks to gravel crew and special thanks to bluuford :)

[AnttiL]

Tänak in estonian radio broadcast show saying that he really had to fight for the decision to take full wet tyres. The team didnt want so in the end they made a compromise with taking 3 full wet tyres and 2 soft although Tänak wanted to take 4 wet tyres.


He said the same in the official press conf and added that it really decided the rally.

[mknight]

He said the same in the official press conf and added that it really decided the rally.

The decision to take 3 hards on Saturday morning while whole Hyundai and Citroen went for full soft was imo just as important.

[dimviii]

Says big thanks to gravel crew and special thanks to bluuford :)

waiting bluuford to tell us some more about this.
Bravo bluuford!!

[seb_sh]

This was another great rally, even if the end wasn't as exciting as others. In the end it wasn't hugely surprising but I think few people expected how the podium looked so I think we can call this a "2017" rally. My impressions of the teams:

MSport
First, a fantastic result for Tanak he's showing this year he can win on any surface and has his head together, a star for the future. Ogier had a pragmatic approach and profited from Neuville's mistake. I didn't notice Evans much to be honest in this rally his result is about as expected for him.

Citroen
Mikkelsen got in and did the job, confirmed what many people are saying that the car is fast on tarmac, but interestingly it was also fast when the road was wet and muddy. Meeke did the opposite of what he needed and after that mistake he was mostly invisible. I think he needs a strong team-mate to take some pressure off him, he does well when he is the challenger not when it's all on him. Breen drove an unremarkable rally, except for some spins, I expected a bit more from him on this type of roads and conditions.

Toyota
Another technical problem for Latvala, without these he would be in the title fight, too bad. Hanninen surprised me, I know he was strong in IRC and WRC2 on tarmac but compared to his usual pace and mistakes he went quite well, not only good pace but consistent too. The last 2 rallies have been good for him. Lappi started off quite unsure but seemed to progress through the rally, there's still room to learn.

Hyundai
Sordo showed his weakness in changeable conditions and Paddon continued the season in the same way. Neuville did a good rally until that corner, he was both unlucky but also too aggressive. Sure other drivers cut it as well but Ogier didn't. Really that's the comparison that matters because Ogier and Neuville were equal on points, fighting for the championship and Ogier chose to take that corner safely. Pure luck? Experience? Both?

[Hartusvuori]

Sunninen after off at 7.35
https://youtu.be/kYAPgpz-FzY

Actual off at 2'13". "Fast left, 30, into fast right tighteeeeeeens."

[dimviii]

interesting

"The start of the rally, in very awkward conditions, was fairly difficult for us. Due to a problem that was beyond the team's control, we were unable to use the gearbox and differential settings that had been validated during our tests. M-Sport did everything possible to help us find the best compromise, but it still meant we had to make do with a less than optimal solution, particularly in the slippery and treacherous conditions of the first day."

http://media.sebastien-ogier.com/en/germany-provides-a-good-result-for-the-championship.html

[Whinlatter]

My second time at Rallye Deutschland and my first experience of the new WRC cars. We did three stages on Day 1, and two stages plus service on day 2. Very enjoyable, despite getting soaked to the skin on Mittelmosel 2! My boots were still soaking next morning when I pulled them on...

Very impressed with Tanak, Mikkelsen and Hanninen, all of them improved their reputation with their performances over the weekend.

Photos will be on my flickr later in the week but here are a few I am happy with...

https://s28.postimg.org/ben5l5vpp/Andreas_Mikkelsen_-_Anders_Jaeger.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/e12o23mx9/Fabian_Rotter_-_Enrico_Flores_Trigo.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/sgfzn9akt/Elfyn_Evans_-_Dan_Barritt.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/w2lszwgy5/Jourdan_Serderidis_-_Frederic_Miclotte.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/57brkzzyl/Hayden_Paddon_-_Seb_Marshall.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/cw8lwq0gd/Benito_Guerra_-_Daniel_Cue.jpg

[dupanton]

I went for 3 days (Friday till Sunday).
Friday
Grafschaft 1
A place where we could see the cars for several kilometers before coming to where we were. A jump with a fast corner and a dip after it. Citroëns clearly unstable compared to all other WRC and even R5 cars.

Mittelmosel 2
In the rain, a fast right hander with a big cut. Some hot moments for Mikkelsen, Suninen and a lot of the runners further down.

Saturday
Panzerplatte 1
Very fast left with a big cut, then double right. Latvala sideways and very deep in the cut. The Toyotas looked quickest there. Nothing special but very impressive and fast, we left after a couple of R5 cars.

Freisen 1
We were standing in a fast left hander, unfortunatly they placed haybales in all cuts... A lot of the top cars hit them, loosing wings and mirrors. Spectators almost starting fighting over them... We heared cars struggling some corners before, so walked along the stage to find the place. Almost everyone went in to the field there, in a muddy corner. Quite a nice place, spins for Bonato, Peiniazek, Lario...

Panzerplatte 2
Medium fast double left hander. The surface changed mid corner from the typical concrete to slippy asphalt. The WRCs were quite tidy there, but the R5 cars were very very sideways! We had to leave after +-5 R5s

Freisen 2
Went to the same spot but continued to the muddy corner. If course it already dried out quite a bit. Mikkelsen very fast and spectacular. Gassner Sr changed a puncture in front of us.

Sunday
Powerstage 1 (forgot the name)
We had recced the stage the evening before, but it was totally ruined by haybales in every possible cut (except 1). So we went to the place with no haybale. The didn't had a lot of speed coming there, but still the WRCs moved quite a lot. Had a nice overview afterwards too. Molle with an excursion through a field. Gave me the opportunity to wave at the codriver who is a friend of mine when I was going to push them out of the field :p

Powerstage 2
Downhill left - right over a bridge, followed by another fast right. Ok place, nothing special to end the rally with.

All in all we saw a good rally. Haybales, strict marshalls and a lot of closed roads far from the stage ruined it a bit on some places. And if course, very disappointed for Neuville...

[MartijnS]

I went for 3 days (Friday till Sunday).
Freisen 1
We were standing in a fast left hander, unfortunatly they placed haybales in all cuts... A lot of the top cars hit them, loosing wings and mirrors. Spectators almost starting fighting over them... We heared cars struggling some corners before, so walked along the stage to find the place. Almost everyone went in to the field there, in a muddy corner. Quite a nice place, spins for Bonato, Peiniazek, Lario...


Just came across a video of it! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16Ehrw1yXA&feature=share

[HaCo]

Just came across a video of it! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16Ehrw1yXA&feature=share

I was reporting live on the forum from that place ;-)

[dimviii]

scary crash with fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaxWH3N9o8

[dupanton]

Something I forgot to mention in my "report". Talked to several groups of French spectators. They all seemed to hate Ogier... He is really not popular in France I think.

[MartijnS]

Yes. We were there, they were ok, shaken but ok. Scary crash indeed, started to burn straight away.

[mknight]

Something I forgot to mention in my "report". Talked to several groups of French spectators. They all seemed to hate Ogier... He is really not popular in France I think.

Well he accused Loeb of not playing fair and left Citroen to crush them with a german car... and now again with english/american one.

Perhaps extra reason to come back to Citroen and rescue them ;)

[racerx1979]

The biggest group in Germany was the Thierry fan club crew. Hundreds of them walking around with hats and shirts.

Tanak fans are always in full effect and the most entertaining with their viking blow horns and large flags. It's always nice to see spectators from all over the world so passionately involved.