Wrc Deutschland 2017

[er88]

Neuville in a bit of trouble. Catch up in the afternoon but can't afford any more mistakes

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[Allez Andruet]

Stage stopped or why the two remaining Toyotas haven't started?

[René]

It seems Breen have some trouble before first split

[EstWRC]

another m-sport 1-2-3 at the moment on this stage...of course Mikkelsen ruined it stage before.

[Whinlatter]

I'm at mid point of stage (approx) and Breen has come past at full speed. Where is Sordo?

[EstWRC]

stage resumed now, Paddon on the stage

[mufcAleksi]

Sordo is stopped half a kilometer from the start.

[jonkka]

Hyundai confirms that Sordo and Marti are OK.

[jparker]

As I predicted yesterday! Different game being the hare and not the hound.

I'll talk to you on Monday.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen may go into the lead after this stage

[Eli]

Shame for Sordo, Hyundai & Neuville's titles challenge loses ground...

[EstWRC]

Lappi fastest!

[Mise]

Very good times for Hänninen and Lappi. There might be some drying going on...

Mikkelsen is flying now

[macebig]

Lappi showing pace on tarmac too. A real steal for Toyota.

[EstWRC]

the stage is trying rapidly.

[Eli]

Stage win for Mikkelsen & takes overall lead!

[Mise]

Wow, Mikkelsen.

[macebig]

C3 Touring Car with dry tarmac pace.

[EstWRC]

what a time from Mikkelsen

[jparker]

well done Mikkelsen

[Mirek]

Camilli in trouble with clutch issues. Loosing time on splits.

[dimviii]

Paddon after ss4

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHgSblhXoAAvqfB.jpg

[Rallyper]

You know Kopecky won 2 stages here in 2006 driving Fabia WRC against Loeb and Sordo with Xsara, Gronholm with Focus etc...

So no need to mock him.

I didn´t. Was honest. However 11 yrs ago. ;)
Talking about mocking drivers, there are many doing that. Even to those who are fast.

[dimviii]

Evans

https://youtu.be/NyltWwZ9rcE

[BigWorm]

Paddon looks very ragged on tarmac, from the onboards I've seen. Punctures are almost inevitable for him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen impressive.

Very...

[Mirek]

I didn´t. Was honest. However 11 yrs ago. ;)

Kopecký as a driver is now faster than 11 years a go. Anyway his strongest ground has always been Panzerplatte.

[EstWRC]

Evans

https://youtu.be/NyltWwZ9rcE

isnt it the same place where Camilli went off lst year? looks very similar at least.

[KKS]

Bonato fastest at WRC2. Stage was still drying

[racerx1979]

Lappi with a good time too.

Mikkelsen flying!

[KKS]

All who start after 11min interruption are faster than himself... so it more for road conditions rather than pure driver speed

[electroliquid]

#45flagBonato Yoann - Boulloud Benjamin
"I'm happy. Two good special stages. Better than Poland. I like driving through the vineyards but I prefer drinking them."

[racerx1979]

Sitting at SS 5. It's nice and dry but clouds are coming. Felt a few drops, but no rain as of yet. Cars starting now!

[mufcAleksi]

Latvala has a puncture? Very slow driving in SS5

[racerx1979]

Latvalas car sounding really bad. Ignition or turbo issue. Almost sounds like an intercooler pipe blew off. Car not making boost.

[mufcAleksi]

Oh my god.... not again

[KKS]

Latvala moving slow.... AGAIN? 3rd in a row?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHghcWBWAAM5sLH.jpg

[EstWRC]

this stage doesnt suit at all to Tänak, too much time giving away

[Eli]

How come there's no stage end reporter??

[Eli]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHghcWBWAAM5sLH.jpg

That is how far he's away from scoring decent points this rally, such a shame for him really, deserved better.

[er88]

Latvala would have been right up with Ogier and Neuville in the championship if it wasn't for the reliability of his Toyota. It always seems to be his Yaris as well

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

FRI 13:30 - SS5: LATVALA
Disaster. Jari-Matti loses almost 1m30s. His car's engine is making a funny noise and appears to have no power at the start. He has a small off in the stage later on. This will cost Latvala fifth place and send him out of the top 10.

[N.O.T]

piece of junk finish engineering... something like their drivers the last decade.

[Sulland]

Radio on my pc playing SS2 until 30 sec, now music.
Are they on a lunchbreake?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Radio on my pc playing SS2 until 30 sec, now music.
Are they on a lunchbreake?

I know. I came back in and got totally confused, thought it was deja vu... ;)

[KKS]

He was lucky that it happen on stage before a service and quite short

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TGR_WRC‏ @TGR_WRC
On SS5 @JariMattiWRC suffering from engine misfire, team works hard to find the reason and fix at midday service.

[dimviii]

Neuvilles mistake from another camera
https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/898496979407437824

[racerx1979]

Have no idea. I hear cars now. We're back on!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I give up... going for lunch.

[Lead]

Whats up with this delay?

[dimviii]

Latvala with engine problem
https://twitter.com/TommiKaen/status/898510063270318080

[bluuford]

Whats up with this delay?

Those who were behind Sordo, they cannot reach here faster.

[EstWRC]

SS5 and fifth different stage winner on this rally...what a season!

[Eli]

SS5 and fifth different stage winner on this rally...what a season!

And Mikkelsen leads on only his 3rd outing in the C3. Most impressive, hopefully he can keep up the pace.

[Lead]

And Mikkelsen leads on only his 3rd outing in the C3. Most impressive, hopefully he can keep up the pace.
And first on tarmac. Impressive. Lets hope he can keep up the speed.

[stefanvv]

piece of junk finish engineering... something like their drivers the last decade.

Actually the engine is made by TMG, but of course You don't know that.

[Mintexmemory]

If Mikkelsen is leading at the end of the day he will have gone up tremendously in my estimation (fwiw). However he lucked out tremendously with the delay and drying track. If this afternoon is consistent and slipperier for lower numbers I expect the Ford's to go past him in the overall list

[AMSS]

Interesting afternoon ahead, I expect Neuville to be the man to beat in the afternoon

[mknight]

Quite surprised by Mikkelsen.

C3 is supposedly problematic in tricky conditions (Loeb said so too), and running late clearly brings mud issues. So I was expecting 4-5th at best.

That said I don't expect he will hold it, but a podium should be possible with Sordo and Latvala out.

[Eli]

Quite surprised by Mikkelsen.

C3 is supposedly problematic in tricky conditions (Loeb said so too), and running late clearly brings mud issues. So I was expecting 4-5th at best.

That said I don't expect he will hold it, but a podium should be possible with Sordo and Latvala out.

Let's see how Breen gets on, Only 8th although he is tied to it with Juho, first time for both drivers with a world rally car here so should be interesting. All the best of luck for Breen.

[dimviii]

Quite surprised by Mikkelsen.

C3 is supposedly problematic in tricky conditions (Loeb said so too), and running late clearly brings mud issues. So I was expecting 4-5th at best.

That said I don't expect he will hold it, but a podium should be possible with Sordo and Latvala out.

While Mikkelsen did a good job,he advantaged from road position.See Bonato who is faster from Kopecky Tidemand at the 2 long stages

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks ominous for this afternoon...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHg2Y9rWAAAvqfN.jpg

[mknight]

While Mikkelsen did a good job,he advantaged from road position.See Bonato who is faster from Kopecky Tidemand at the 2 long stages

With conditions like that it's an advantage in one corner and disadvantage in another, don't think there is a clean pick in front. However he did have different tires and 1 less spare than most.

After 19 cars (Kopecky) and 31 (Bonato) the road is for sure muddy, if it's drying out it can be drier mud and dry tarmac in clean spots.
First 3 cars on the road can have wet clean road and 12 on road (Mikkelsen) could have drier muddy road + dry(er) tarmac sections.

Anyway the point really wasn't that Mikkelsen is driving so much faster than everyone, but that he seemingly handled the C3 well in tricky conditions which were supposed to be the worst option. That is the surprising part.

[Rallyper]

Any credits to Mr Loeb, who tested the C3 week before Germany? Think he might be the difference from before.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Becs Williams
Update: Torrential rain! #WRC

rallytravel.com
Absolutely chucking it down here at Piesport-Grafschaft area!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHg6IwdXgAATgtT.jpg

[mknight]

Any credits to Mr Loeb, who tested the C3 week before Germany? Think he might be the difference from before.

Repeating what I wrote yesterday.

Loeb tested in France after all 3 drivers tested for min 2 days each in Germany before that.
IMO it's quite unlikely that they would suddenly change setup they spend 2-3 days finding based on Loeb's input after they were finished testing.

[GardS]

Mads and Henning having fun today
https://www.facebook.com/MadsOstbergRally/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Driver, car, tyres, road position... many variables to explain speed or lack of it in rally.

[AdvEvo]

An expensive fun....

If you have money you're driving! if you have none you're behind a forum on a screen.

[EstWRC]

tyre choice now...for sure no one with hards but someone with rain tyre?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rain not just in Germany !

RallyFM.net‏ @RallyFM
Ulster Rally SS1 Crews having to back off due to the heavy rain making seeing the road difficult.

And here at home it's torrential rain, hail and now thunder. Is this really August ?? :(

[Ucci]

Rain not just in Germany ! Is this really August ?? :(
Ohh yesss, it is August...I'm in the south Croatia, island Korčula, there hasn't been any drop of rain since beginning of May....today air temp.35dg......it feeels good. Enyoy behind the computer screens, I'm going back to swim....

[stefanvv]

With conditions like that it's an advantage in one corner and disadvantage in another, don't think there is a clean pick in front. However he did have different tires and 1 less spare than most.

After 19 cars (Kopecky) and 31 (Bonato) the road is for sure muddy, if it's drying out it can be drier mud and dry tarmac in clean spots.
First 3 cars on the road can have wet clean road and 12 on road (Mikkelsen) could have drier muddy road + dry(er) tarmac sections.

Anyway the point really wasn't that Mikkelsen is driving so much faster than everyone, but that he seemingly handled the C3 well in tricky conditions which were supposed to be the worst option. That is the surprising part.

You overanalyze it. He just meant the road was much more dry for late runners.

[EstWRC]

Michelin Motorsport‏Verified account @Michelin_Sport 4m4 minutes ago
More
1/2 #tyre info - Day 1 - Afternoon
Meeke: 6 Michelin Pilot Sport FW
Mikkelsen: 4 FW+2S
Breen: 2FW+4S

Michelin Motorsport‏Verified account @Michelin_Sport 2m2 minutes ago
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2/2 #Tyre info - Day 1 - Afternoon
Toyota/Ogier/Neuville: 5S
Paddon: 4S+2FW
Tanak: 3FW+3S
#rallyedeutschland



this is gonna be reaaalllyyy interesting

[mknight]

Meh Neuville and Ogier with same tirechoice, could have been even more interesting.

[mknight]

Neuville 3s slower than in the morning on first split.. and in the morning he went out here before it no?

Should be very wet then.

[Tarmop]

Well, soft tyres and roads that look like rivers. Could be worse.

[Mirek]

I noticed only now... they drive three times the same circuit stage today? Isn't that too little? Why not a whole leg on one circuit?

[N.O.T]

Neuville 3 secconds slower than this morning on split 1

[mknight]

I noticed only now... they drive three times the same circuit stage today? Isn't that too little? Why not a whole leg on one circuit?

3x and it's 2-3 rounds every time.

[mknight]

Tanak with 2 wets gives them 5s just on first split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak on a flier...

[stefanvv]

Tanak on a flier...

not on flier, on fullwet

[mknight]

not on flier, on fullwet

He took 3 wet 3 soft. So he can have max 3 on.

[N.O.T]

no split for neuville...

[BigWorm]

not on flier, on fullwet

Most likely this

[N.O.T]

neuville finished... half a minute off his morning time.

[KKS]

not on flier, on fullwet
on threequarterwet

[KKS]

is it raining NOW on stage?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak also had a 'moment'.

6.9s up for Ogier on Neuville.

[N.O.T]

Ogier 6 seconds quicker.

[stefanvv]

Neuville lost time due to some mistake near the finish.

[mknight]

is it raining NOW on stage?

Yes

[KKS]

so it isn't dryout so quick

[Mise]

What's with Paddon. Terrible first split

Edit: Hänninen with the same time , might be the rain is worse

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow Tanak was off but still made a brilliant time.

[EstWRC]

Wow Tanak was off but still made a brilliant time.

said lost about 10 secsond, damn! would have been a huge time

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent first split for Meeke and Mikkelsen is on the same tyres.

[KKS]

Not good split for Meeke as fullwet

[EstWRC]

lets wait Mikkelsen now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak
SS6: "Actually not a great stage as I went into the vineyards and was really lucky! Wish I had gone with all full wets!"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lets wait Mikkelsen now

Split 1 -4.4s

[stefanvv]

Paddon seems completely lost

[EstWRC]

what the splits are you guys watching??? Mikkelsen +1.5 slower than Tänak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

what the splits are you guys watching??? Mikkelsen +1.5 slower than Tänak.

Sorry, was time to Neuville.

Meeke slower now despite full wets... :(

Mikkelsen also slowing.

[Mise]

Paddon lost 37 secs.

[KKS]

what the splits are you guys watching??? Mikkelsen +1.5 slower than Tänak.
Andreas -4.4, Ott -5.9

[EstWRC]

Tänak using the advantage nicely that he got to test the wet tyres on first day of this test

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dirty roads probably making the full wets have less benefit for the later runners...

[KKS]

As for splits - end of stage is more for soft's tyres

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke saying road was washed clean so no excuse for slower time.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen +3.2...0.9 still leading Tänak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent job by Mikkelsen but lead cut to 0.9s by Tanak.

[EstWRC]

man of the stage is Lappi...coming so far back and with slicks and 4th time...what a guy

[mknight]

Anyway the expected Neuville charge doesn't seem to be happening.

[stefanvv]

Ogier & Neuville might take advantage of the tyres on this stage.

[KKS]

I don't understand Meeke tyre choice. If road dry out, than he can use 2S but nooo... fullwet on boot aswell. WHY?

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20992819_1599043296794079_65127459767707297_n.jpg? oh=f36a60fbd04a37c1d8ff71d9c729894e&oe=5A31FAC7

[mknight]

I don't understand Meeke tyre choice. If road dry out, than he can use 2S but nooo... fullwet on boot aswell. WHY?

He complained in the morning that he didn't like the car with a cross-choice.

[jparker]

Tanak not moving on map

EDIT: and he jumped few kms for one sec :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak fastest again so far, should take the lead. :)

[stefanvv]

yeah, space technology not always works.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhQXUwXoAQUTvp.jpg

[er88]

Neuville will just have to settle for 4th (try and maintain it), and beat Seb in the power stage. Then let Seb clean the Spanish gravel day 1 and hope to gain pts on him there.

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[N.O.T]

Neuville continues to be total shit as far as speed goes.... of course with the first day in spain on gravel and the rest on tarmac i think going there and running second can be an advantage.

[EstWRC]

Lappi stopped

[cali]

This rally is too young to predict any forthcomings in future rallyes.

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[mufcAleksi]

Lappi stopped... fucks sake

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS7: Lappi - WRC+ live tracking shows his Yaris stopped at 8.7km

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen 0.1 faster than Tänak in first split, now we have to wait for stage end because we dont have Tänaks second split

[mknight]

Lappi stopped

He would have passed Evans...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen is totally embarrassing Meeke in the C3.

[dimviii]

Bonato 27 sec slower from Kopecky at ss 6

[Integrale]

So 7 of the 21 stages on this rally are super special stages? I hope drivers complain about that, just like some did about the chicanes in Finland. This is very sad.

[dimviii]

seems mechanical?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhZxejWsAALftc.jpg

[AnttiL]

Twitter says suspension damage

[cali]

Mikkelsen is totally embarrassing Meeke in the C3.Meeke lost confidence.


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[Eric]

Paddon is so far away from where he should be

[jparker]

Neuville continues to be total shit as far as speed goes.... of course with the first day in spain on gravel and the rest on tarmac i think going there and running second can be an advantage.

Well, he's not mentally impaired like you, he has WDC title to take care of, you know.

[Eli]

Meeke lost confidence.


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Would blame his lost confidence after yesterday...looking for 2018 already I presume.

[dimviii]

about Lappi

Michel V.‏*@rockollector 3m

broken left suspension

[KKS]

Meeke now is driving like Slowson :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak leads..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

As well as going for the WDC, Neuville is the only Hyundai with any chance of good points. Could be a great rally for M-Sport in the Manufacturers championship (1-3-5 atm) :D

[mknight]

As well as going for the WDC, Neuville is the only Hyundai with any chance of good points. Could be a great rally for M-Sport in the Manufacturers championship (1-3-5 atm) :D

Yeah it's almost settled that M-Sport will increase the lead. They'd need 2 drivers to drop behind Paddon not to.

[Mirek]

Twitter says suspension damage

In the past far majority of all Lappi's starts on asphalt ended with an accident and it's here again.

[AnttiL]

Raoux and Serderidis are actually having a battle down to the seconds :D

[Integrale]

Ogier is in front of Neuville, but it only gains him 3 points if the rally would finish now. He won't settle for that I believe, especially as Neuville would have an easier first day in Spain. Taking 10 seconds back on Tanak gives him 13 points over Neuville. Or will Malcolm ask Tanak to play the buffer between Ogier and Neuville when Mikkelsen drops out of the top 3? Interesting day ahead. Neuville doesn't look like a happy chappy. I hope nobody crashes on one of those super special stages again.

[mknight]

Still full dry forecast for Saturday and Sunday. I'd expect the speed differences to change a bit. Some drivers/cars seem to like dry more (Ogier, Sordo, C3) some a bit less (Toyota, Lappi, maybe Tanak).

[cali]

Ogier is in front of Neuville, but it only gains him 3 points if the rally would finish now. He won't settle for that I believe, especially as Neuville would have an easier first day in Spain. Taking 10 seconds back on Tanak gives him 13 points over Neuville. Or will Malcolm ask Tanak to play the buffer between Ogier and Neuville when Mikkelsen drops out of the top 3? Interesting day ahead. Neuville doesn't look like a happy chappy. I hope nobody crashes on one of those super special stages again.Isn' too early while half a rally is still ahead of us???

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[RS]

After SS6, Kremer's protege is ahead of him. Good job, maybe a German driver with potential.

[Integrale]

Isn' too early while half a rally is still ahead of us???

Of course it's too early, but don't you think that the drivers are calculating as well in this stage of the championship? Risk management and so forth.

[Mirek]

Kopecky reported spin in ss7 and a slow puncture in ss6.

[EstWRC]

Tanaks mistake https://twitter.com/sirpatuomi/status/898571449702785025

Lost of a chunk of time

[HaCo]

So everyone had an off today?

[EstWRC]

Basically yes

[cali]

Of course it's too early, but don't you think that the drivers are calculating as well in this stage of the championship? Risk management and so forth.If you are only thinking about point then you lose the rally. Maybe that's what is wrong with Neuville. He has lost speed in last rallyes.

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[dimviii]

Lappi crash
https://twitter.com/JoMoWRC/status/898578996136484865

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhggI5U0AEPGuX.jpg:small

[dimviii]

Tanak photos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhggI5U0AEPGuX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhgkMBVYAEYQjY.jpg

[Eli]

If everything stays the same after the next SSS, tomorrow will be an interesting day as usually in the Baumholder area Ogier shows his strength, and usually nobody is able to match him there. Thierry will need to play it safe this rally and remember not to crash because it seems on speed alone Neuviile won't win here...

[cali]

Tanak photos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhggI5U0AEPGuX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhgkMBVYAEYQjY.jpgVery lucky....

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[jparker]

Ogier is in front of Neuville, but it only gains him 3 points if the rally would finish now. He won't settle for that I believe, especially as Neuville would have an easier first day in Spain. Taking 10 seconds back on Tanak gives him 13 points over Neuville. Or will Malcolm ask Tanak to play the buffer between Ogier and Neuville when Mikkelsen drops out of the top 3? Interesting day ahead. Neuville doesn't look like a happy chappy. I hope nobody crashes on one of those super special stages again.

So, your sophisticated analyses assume that all other drivers will drop or have problems, and Ogier and Tanak will drive like a rock stars to the finish? You don't think that Mikkelsen has a real chance to win? You don't think Tanak or Ogier can end up in the bush? What a crap ......

[Mirek]

Lappi crash
https://twitter.com/JoMoWRC/status/898578996136484865

This is very interesting. It's another accident in right-hand corner. Per the analysis of Hartusvuori from two years a go all Lappi's asphalt accidents (and they were many) happened always in right-hand corner. Never in left-hand one.

[dimviii]

Michelin video day 1
https://youtu.be/4deKXKG6g18

[dimviii]

Solans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhqRjyXgAAqSMD.jpg

[Mirek]

Very slow time compared to previous passes.

[dimviii]

Ogiers spin
https://twitter.com/DanosJo/status/898586833696702464

[dimviii]

Ogier lost plenty of time

Fri 18:48 - SS8: Neuville
He's been off and there is a big branch stuck in the rear spoiler. "It happened on a very dirty corner, it was worse than aquaplaning. Nothing I could do. Happy to be here - still a long way to go."

[KKS]

And we start another day from scratch :)

[noel157]

Would blame his lost confidence after yesterday...looking for 2018 already I presume.

Looks like it, plus hard to know what orders he's under from Matton after SS1.

[EstWRC]

everyone having moments, Tänak saying he just got stuck in muddy corner and nothing to do.

[Mirek]

Well done Tänak, super performance today!

[Mirek]

Rujbr
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20882947_1877923472526888_3326414583412599699_n.jp g?oh=634169636553e68b3f640b759fbbe430&oe=5A3911D9

[Eli]

What just happened??? Ogier had a spin?

[EstWRC]

What just happened??? Ogier had a spin?

yes and actually Neuville went off also in one corner but his time is very good even considering that. Tänak got stuck in mud in one corner.

[René]

Rujbr
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20882947_1877923472526888_3326414583412599699_n.jp g?oh=634169636553e68b3f640b759fbbe430&oe=5A3911D9

Here it is necessary to use tracks !

[mknight]

Drivers were complaining about this stage already yesterday, 3 times run with 2 laps giving some 300 cars that have run trough the stage since morning.

[EstWRC]

Breen also with an spin and off, lol, everyone with some kind of moment.

[mknight]

Tanak's rally could have easily ended on that SS6, lucky to climb up
https://twitter.com/SirpaTuomi/status/898571449702785025

[Eli]

Well done Tänak, super performance today!

Honestly he's amazed me today, this is a man who hasn't bettered a 6th place in a Tarmac rally (Monte is tarmac but it was snow covered this year so...) and now he is leading!! Most Impressive!!!

[Oliverk]

Honestly he's amazed me today, this is a man who hasn't bettered a 6th place in a Tarmac rally (Monte is tarmac but it was snow covered this year so...) and now he is leading!! Most Impressive!!!
Never had good starting position or tires. Easy as abc

[Eli]

yes and actually Neuville went off also in one corner but his time is very good even considering that. Tänak got stuck in mud in one corner.

Good to know, going to be a thrilling battle tomorrow.

[BigWorm]

Hasn't surprised me too much, Tänak has been very good on tarmac in the past, especially Germany. Today he's put everything together well and he's deservedly leading.

[mknight]

Never had good starting position or tires. Easy as abc

Corsica this year?

[Eli]

Never had good starting position or tires. Easy as abc

True but still impressive, I mean, I remember seeing him back in Corsica 2015 when he just didn't look confident at all. A different man this season, hats off to him.

[Mirek]

True but still impressive, I mean, I remember seeing him back in Corsica 2015 when he just didn't look confident at all. A different man this season, hats off to him.

I remember him driving here on Barum with totally weird lines but maybe that time it had a lot to do with DMack form in that time.

[noel157]

Honestly he's amazed me today, this is a man who hasn't bettered a 6th place in a Tarmac rally (Monte is tarmac but it was snow covered this year so...) and now he is leading!! Most Impressive!!!

I think he did well in Germany and France in 2011 (?) in the old S2K Fiesta. He's always been good on asphalt.

[Mirek]

Great job from Mikkelsen today as well!

[EstWRC]

I remember him driving here on Barum with totally weird lines but maybe that time it had a lot to do with DMack form in that time.

yeah, he later admitted in an interview that he had to drive that sideways to keep the heat in the tyres or something like that.


Amazing day from Mikkelsen! really good to see him on the top!

[Eli]

I think he did well in Germany and France in 2011 (?) in the old S2K Fiesta. He's always been good on asphalt.

Perhaps but for the past 2 seasons (2015-2016) he hasn't shown great pace on Tarmac but this year, I'm glad it's working out for him. Well done to Malcolm Wilson for sticking his neck out for his drivers.

[mknight]

Mikkelsen beat Meeke (with same road position) by 55.4s and Breen by 59.5s. I was expecting him to be fastest of them based on previous experience and performance in germany but not by that much.

[cali]

It's a combination of new codriver, experience, car developed for him, which gives him huge confidence boost. Tänak had been ok on tarmac, but never that good. Enough praise, still two days to go.

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[KKS]

Looks like Meeke just give up.

[EstWRC]

Perhaps but for the past 2 seasons (2015-2016) he hasn't shown great pace on Tarmac but this year, I'm glad it's working out for him. Well done to Malcolm Wilson for sticking his neck out for his drivers.

in 2015 he was just rusty because he hadnt been competing on tarmac for 2 years with a WRC machine (remember he was dropped for 2013 and in 2014 competed in WRC2). and last year he was with Dmacks and i think that says it all.


but yeah, enough praise, long way to go.

[Lead]

Well done by Tanak, but my surprise for today is Mikkelsen. Didnt expect that pace, he seems on the mission or something.

[jparker]

Drivers were complaining about this stage already yesterday, 3 times run with 2 laps giving some 300 cars that have run trough the stage since morning.

Nothing wrong with the road, it's the drivers that don't judge the conditions properly (little polish de javu).

[jparker]

Honestly he's amazed me today, this is a man who hasn't bettered a 6th place in a Tarmac rally (Monte is tarmac but it was snow covered this year so...) and now he is leading!! Most Impressive!!!

Well, today is like Monte in Germany. Let see what the boy can do tomorrow against Mikkelsen.

[Ucci]

I'm very disappointed for Ogier's mistake in the last stage.....but nothing cruisal....Panzerplatte will separate "boys from men"!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great day for MSport title chances with all three in the top 5.

Ogier ahead of Neuville on the road tomorrow.. if that means anything with the changable weather.

[Eli]

in 2015 he was just rusty because he hadnt been competing on tarmac for 2 years with a WRC machine (remember he was dropped for 2013 and in 2014 competed in WRC2). and last year he was with Dmacks and i think that says it all.


but yeah, enough praise, long way to go.

Oh I'm sorry lol, good luck to him & the other boys for the next 2 days...1 & a half days sorry...Sunday is way too short.

[COD]

Look at Hänninen who many here were ready to fire, he has upped his game once he has done a few events

[Lead]

Well, today is like Monte in Germany. Let see what the boy can do tomorrow against Mikkelsen.
Its funny but Mikkelsen is actually younger than Tanak :)

[Eli]

Well, today is like Monte in Germany. Let see what the boy can do tomorrow against Mikkelsen.

Even in Monte he hasn't lead after the first day, I think that says it all, but as all of you guys said let's see what tomorrow will bring us. As Ucci said:"Panzerplatte will separate "boys from men"!!"

[jparker]

I'm very disappointed for Ogier's mistake in the last stage.....but nothing cruisal....Panzerplatte will separate "boys from men"!!

I guess this is your original way of saying Ogier is the only real man. Bring it on body, will see who is the man tomorrow.

[jparker]

Great day for MSport title chances with all three in the top 5.

I've heard this 6-7 times today. Stop trolling please.

[EstWRC]

I've heard this 6-7 times today. Stop trolling please.

the same could be said to you. stop it please.

[stefanvv]

Ogier ahead of Neuville on the road tomorrow.. if that means anything with the changable weather.

I think he will do everything within his power to throw some snow on the road for Neuville.

[Tarmop]

Trolling?

Stop this stupid nonsense...

[Eli]

I think he will do everything within his power to throw some snow on the road for Neuville.

Why is Neuville starting behind Ogier, because the last stage was a SSS and not a SS? so the spin doesn't count for Ogier standing wise for tomorrow that is?

[mknight]

Look at Hänninen who many here were ready to fire, he has upped his game once he has done a few events

Upped to where?
6th place, 25s behind Lappi in his first WRC tarmac event before Lappi crashed.
Would have been some 40s behind Latvala without Latvala's technical issues.

He did a bit better than expected, but good enough for what again exactly? Place in the factory team with probably highest or second-highest budget? Not for me.

[Eli]

Upped to where?
6th place, 25s behind Lappi in his first WRC tarmac event before Lappi crashed.
Would have been some 40s behind Latvala without Latvala's technical issues.

He did a bit better than expected, but good enough for what again exactly? Place in the factory team with probably highest or second-highest budget? Not for me.

If Mikkelsen continues to show this pace, we might just see a fight for him between Citroen & Toyota.

[stefanvv]

Why is Neuville starting behind Ogier, because the last stage was a SSS and not a SS? so the spin doesn't count for Ogier standing wise for tomorrow that is?

May be You're right, last stage was super special(stupid), but I don't know if the length nearly 10km counts for the start order.

[Eli]

May be You're right, last stage was super special(stupid), but I don't know if the length nearly 10km counts for the start order.

Anyhow, shame for Neuviile, and shame that the rally is so short, what were they thinking making it only 306 competitive kilometers??

[stefanvv]

Anyhow, shame for Neuviile, and shame that the rally is so short, what were they thinking making it only 306 competitive kilometers??

Yeah, I'm not in love with the itinerary either, but at least the weather provides some challenges ahead.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why is Neuville starting behind Ogier, because the last stage was a SSS and not a SS? so the spin doesn't count for Ogier standing wise for tomorrow that is?

Because tomorrow the order reverts to the reverse of the current rally standings, with lowest placed running first. Neuville is now ahead of Ogier overall so will be behind him on the road.

[Integrale]

So, your sophisticated analyses assume that all other drivers will drop or have problems, and Ogier and Tanak will drive like a rock stars to the finish? You don't think that Mikkelsen has a real chance to win? You don't think Tanak or Ogier can end up in the bush? What a crap ......
Haha! Why so serious? :)

[Eli]

Yeah, I'm not in love with the itinerary either, but at least the weather provides some challenges ahead.

Thank the weather, hopefully next year they'll bring back some stages like: Ruwertal/Fell, Dhrontal, Moselland, Moselwein, Bosenberg, Peterberg, Stein & Wein.

[Eli]

Because tomorrow the order reverts to the reverse of the current rally standings, with lowest placed running first. Neuville is now ahead of Ogier overall so will be behind him on the road.

Of-course, I forgot, thankx for reminding me.

[WUff1]

Well done by Tanak, but my surprise for today is Mikkelsen. Didnt expect that pace, he seems on the mission or something.

He´s fighting for his seat in 2018, which could even be more difficult if Ogier goes to Citroen.

[tc10a]

Thank the weather, hopefully next year they'll bring back some stages like: Ruwertal/Fell, Dhrontal, Moselland, Moselwein, Bosenberg, Peterberg, Stein & Wein.

Moselwein = Mittelmosel 2017

Ruwertal / Fell = Stein & Wein - one stage

Part of Peterberg was Shakedown

[Eli]

Moselwein = Mittelmosel 2017

Ruwertal / Fell = Stein & Wein - one stage

Part of Peterberg was Shakedown

Didn't know, thankx for the info. Still a lot of stages missing from the itinerary, also why aren't there any night time stages?

[jparker]

He´s fighting for his seat in 2018, which could even be more difficult if Ogier goes to Citroen.

What's more remarkable, he did it on wet. We all predicted that wet will = disaster for Citroen, but not to be.
Loeb testing came to late for Germany, so I think Citroen are making progress. I just don't know why this progress is not working for Meeke and Breen. Well, in a way it does work ....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier nearly hit a deer !
https://youtu.be/EUpuB8X-Hyk

[A FONDO]

Conditions seem to be really difficult. Respect to all of them who reached the end of the day without off-road excursions. Tomorrow is the big deal.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiKoQVXYAAMjox?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiKoQWWAAA8l45?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/Karlip1/status/898621805883248640


lucky as hell

[mknight]

WOW 5 min penalty for going 40 and 36 kph on 30kph zone.

Compare that with Ogier doing 160 on road with 90 top speed AND taking a roundabout the wrong way on purpose in Poland (he got only a fine for the roundabout).
and Hanninen doing 160 on a road with 80 in Finland (he got no penalties, even though it's documented by the GPS trakcing).

Double standards much.

EDIT: Thx I see now it's second time for both. But 36 on a 30 zone....

[mknight]

I highly recommend watching Tanak and Mikkelsen onboard from SS6.

Tanak has 3 moments - high speed sideways trough junction on start, the well published one which starts really innocent then seems to turn really ugly and at the last moment he pulls up.. and then another sideways powerslide later

Mikkelsen has at least 4 small ones including a missed braking (2-3sec lost), a braking completely without control and some sideways snaps.

[Andre Oliveira]

Cause is second time to both

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/20952913_1840474265981992_4696695190381230524_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=a531f86a390ad55782eba889e6cb126d&oe=5A2FA272

[wrc2017]

I highly recommend watching Tanak and Mikkelsen onboard from SS6.

Tanak has 3 moments - high speed sideways trough junction on start, the well published one which starts really innocent then seems to turn really ugly and at the last moment he pulls up.. and then another sideways powerslide later

Mikkelsen has at least 4 small ones including a missed braking (2-3sec lost), a braking completely without control and some sideways snaps.

by wathing that, plus all the other offs you didnt see, you cant say luck doesnt play an element. but you mentioned before, how good drivers pick safe places to go off on? these guys are pushing over the limits of adhesion most times, and hoping they get away with it. and you wonder what some driver have accidents. us mere mortals cant actually fathom what it takes to drive like this.

[Mirek]

So You still believe that it's caused by luck that some drivers keep crashing every time while others crash nearly never?

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK-TkqvG6ys

[steve.mandzij]

Somehow I forgot about Rally Germany this week, and now that I've recapped on all the events, it's fair to congratulate Andreas and Ott for today. I genuinely didn't expect them to be at the top today.

Also, poor Latvala. Three times in a row now that his car failed him. After so many years of being a fan and having to suck it up when he made the mistake, it's super unfair that the one year his confidence comes back and he drives quickly and consistently his car bites him back.

Now, on the topic of the Yaris' performance on tarmac, thoughts?

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[stefanvv]

Now, on the topic of the Yaris' performance on tarmac, thoughts?

Definitely work to do. But Makinem already knew that.

[Kaspark]

Anyone got a video link for the press conference?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiYANeXgAEuZeo?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_aN347eLnU

[KKS]

Why Meeke was at the end? Today is re-started Day1 so he must re-start only from Saturday

[Fast Eddie WRC]

OK I'm confused, seems Neuville is starting ahead of Ogier tomorrow. Start order based on O/A positions before the final SSS, when Ogier was still ahead ?

[stefanvv]

Why Meeke was at the end? Today is re-started Day1 so he must re-start only from Saturday

He is still under rally2 regulations.

[KKS]

He is still under rally2 regulations.
I thought he has a nominal time on SS1 set by CoC and not under Rally2. Because if he retire from Day1 on Rally2 - he couldn't compete on all Friday stages

[stefanvv]

I thought he has a nominal time on SS1 set by CoC and not under Rally2. Because if he retire from Day1 on Rally2 - he couldn't compete on all Friday stages

Yeah, I wasn't clear enough probably - he wasn't under rally2 starting order today, as it is just 1 short stage on Thursday, so tomorrow he is under rally2 because of yesterday mistake.

[Mirek]

Good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtlaDwgTzJc

[AnttiL]

OK I'm confused, seems Neuville is starting ahead of Ogier tomorrow. Start order based on O/A positions before the final SSS, when Ogier was still ahead ?

Same with Breen and Hänninen

[COD]

Upped to where?
6th place, 25s behind Lappi in his first WRC tarmac event before Lappi crashed.
Would have been some 40s behind Latvala without Latvala's technical issues.

He did a bit better than expected, but good enough for what again exactly? Place in the factory team with probably highest or second-highest budget? Not for me.

I meant he is doing much better that the start of the season. Remember he had not done a WRC rally in years. Shows how important it is to compete regulary. Sure he has not done enough to get a seat for next year, but doing a good job for manufacturer points, just what he is supposed to do

[olemann]

Is the rally over.