Wrc Deutschland 2017

[mknight]

That being said you never know what kind of input Loeb had on the car. Could or could not make a huge difference for Citroen. I can think of many examples as a rally car driver at a lower level where small changes can completely change the car and increase confidence of the driver. So yeah, the car can be special, but I was not implying that...

Loeb tested the car after all 3 other drivers completed their tests. Also he tested in France (check the signs on the vids) on smooth tarmac while the others tested on the actual stages in Germany.

I see it quite unlikely that the drivers will change their setup found during 2-3 days of testing (each) based on what Loeb found during 1 day in France. For now it was imo more like "development feedback".

[pantealex]

They are going to chase each other only. I don't expect them to fight for the win. The stakes are too high now for both of them.
Since Portugal, Neuville is driving conservatively, and that seams to pays off.

You forgot to tell who is fighting for win ?

[dimviii]

https://web.facebook.com/rallymedia/videos/1441991149222183/?_rdc=1&_rdr

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb on the C3 WRC here...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHbSrW-XYAA__Me.jpg3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Press Conf interviews:
Thierry Neuville, Hyundai Motorsport
Sébastien Ogier, M-Sport World Rally Team
Esapekka Lappi, Toyota GAZOO Racing World Rally Team
Yves Matton, Citroën Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team

http://www.fia.com/news/wrc-2017-rallye-deutschland-press-conference

[CoyoteVillagra]

early start for this kind of pics:D


https://i.imgur.com/x1XhmQc.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

They are going to chase each other only. I don't expect them to fight for the win. The stakes are too high now for both of them.
Since Portugal, Neuville is driving conservatively, and that seams to pays off.

The reverse is true, the stakes are too high for either of them to let the other gain an advantage. Tactically Ogier being just 1 point behind rather than 1 point ahead would be ideal going into gravel day in Spain. However, Ogier will go for the win on day 1 as he knows pressurising Neuville from the start could see him gain a huge psychological advantage by taking back the initiative.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPkmTMFwao

looks more like a gravel rally and add tomorrows rain to this...the back starters will have huge loss

[swanny]

Almost looks like the back wants to kick out more than on gravel...

[CoyoteVillagra]

https://i.imgur.com/QiauaUE.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/uI7qBX3.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/GlFy3y5.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/oV6U5Mm.jpg

[KKS]

Kremer car looks great!

[mknight]

The official shakedown vid says Ogier "missed a hairpin" on first pass. His time is really impressive if he lost a sec or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikNyjh2I4wE

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK-qwfl9UFM
Toyota - understeer
Citroen - oversteer (as always)
Ford - good
Hyundai - fast good.... they should win this

[mknight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK-qwfl9UFM
Toyota - understeer
Citroen - oversteer (as always)
Ford - good
Hyundai - fast good.... they should win this

You mean you are comparing the Toyota at 0:03 and Citroen and 0:47 and saying Toyota understeers while Citroen oversteers? WUT

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPkmTMFwao

looks more like a gravel rally and add tomorrows rain to this...the back starters will have huge loss

The handling reminds me a lot of Monte Carlo with the ice patches here and there

[KKS]

You mean you are comparing the Toyota at 0:03 and Citroen and 0:47 and saying Toyota understeers while Citroen oversteers? WUT
Toyota at 52 and Citroen yes at 47

[mknight]

Toyota at 52 and Citroen yes at 47

Talk about selective comparison. If you compare them at same corner it's something else.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s960x960/20934213_1601703959860226_8354996759751252550_o.jp g?oh=ca71763521219ee93fa7acabf6fc96b9&oe=59EC7C31

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/xoCKqEhyxB8

https://twitter.com/inforallyes/status/898152214832844800


Neuville shakedown incar
https://youtu.be/n0eM2hNRGZA


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHbwRI1UMAA6cLl.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/cyqaXVhwnKs

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcZsh7WsAAVYE5?format=jpg&name=large

[HarriK]

Gravel crews?
Lappi have Lampi?

[jparker]

The reverse is true, the stakes are too high for either of them to let the other gain an advantage. Tactically Ogier being just 1 point behind rather than 1 point ahead would be ideal going into gravel day in Spain. However, Ogier will go for the win on day 1 as he knows pressurising Neuville from the start could see him gain a huge psychological advantage by taking back the initiative.
The rest cant catch those two so what's the oposite?
In Finland (and few events before that) Neuville drove like Ogier doesn't exist, so I'm not sure what pressure are you talking about.
If Ogier is planning to meet another tree, then sure, he can go crazy.

[mknight]

So tight... we will see some carbonfibre flying here.

[PLuto]

Another terrible super special stage...

[bluuford]

Suninen is driving Ford Fabia R5 :P

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another terrible super special stage...

Couldn't be any less representative of the real rally.

[Eli]

Should have stayed in Trier and if they decide doing a SSS in the city then the Circus Maximus was pretty nice back in 2011.

[BigWorm]

Oh, Kris...

[HaCo]

Crap!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FFS Meeke :(

[HaCo]

Stupid stage!!!!

[BigWorm]

Red flag this stage anyway...

[EstWRC]

Unbelievable.....

[mknight]

There is a reason why Meeke has never finished germany in a wrc...

[racerx1979]

shit stage to be honest. too tight... we will see a few more guys running into issues tonight

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150422-12561-10yod3l_d72d4408.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1000%2C1500

[bluuford]

He should have stayed home as he was sent before Poland...

[PLuto]

Couldn't be any less representative of the real rally.

I think on WRC events they are fighting who will bring worse super special stage...

[EstWRC]

I can't understand how some are here blaming the stage. Completely his fault

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hope the organisers are satisfied. Such an incident was inevitable.

[mknight]

True it's completely his fault. But they could have added plastic cones/edges instead of having open concrete ends on each corner.

...or don't try to do a stage on 100 meters of a road.

[USER47]

Yeah, the stage is crap but this was just him underestimating the width of the car.

[BigWorm]

I can't understand how some are here blaming the stage. Completely his fault

The stage is awful, but you can still complete it. Turned in too early, no-one but Kris to blame for that.

[René]

What is the interest of provide gymkana stage like this? Nothing to gain and everything to lose with this trap

[PLuto]

I can't understand how some are here blaming the stage. Completely his fault

I wrote that this stage is stupid before Meeke. From beginning I must say that this stage is one big shit. Very tight, very slow, truly boring. And easy to destroy the car.

[HaCo]

Bit similar as what happend to Neuville in Sweden.

[KKS]

Oh... poor me... I will die 30 years earlier cheering for Citroen this year.

[Myrvold]

What is the interest of provide gymkana stage like this? Nothing to gain and everything to lose with this trap

The interest is bringing the cars to the people, instead of bringing the people out to the stages. Getting new fans in. Also, due to Gymkhana this is seen as a "wow" thing that the drivers are able to throw the cars around narrow places.

[HaCo]

A lot of tv coverage for Citroen :D

[PLuto]

The interest is bringing the cars to the people, instead of bringing the people out to the stages. Getting new fans in. Also, due to Gymkhana this is seen as a "wow" thing that the drivers are able to throw the cars around narrow places.

I know that they are bringing cars to the people. But are you sure that people are interested to see THIS?

[Eli]

Sorry but that was a stupid mistake, can't believe I wasted (again!) a pickem on him....hope Mikkelsen & Breen will fair better....how come Citroen want him full time next year & Breen and Lefebvre need to share a car. Craig needs to have that car full time alongside Mikkelsen & I don't know who else in that 3rd car...

[Gregor-y]

Oh, Kris...

Jaysus

[Fast Eddie WRC]

These are massively fast 4WD cars... this is totally not the environment they were designed for or that the driver's practice.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcrurYXkAEy3iQ.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Essaj]

Only thing organizers should be worried about is the time it tooks to get 1 car off from the super special stage...

[AnttiL]

I tweeted during Rally Finland how much better Harju is than the other street stages of the season. Well, you could have broken your car there as well...

It also took terribly long to clear the stage...

[HaCo]

Anyway Meeke was running much cleaner than Mikkelsen.

[Mintexmemory]

The interest is bringing the cars to the people, instead of bringing the people out to the stages. Getting new fans in. Also, due to Gymkhana this is seen as a "wow" thing that the drivers are able to throw the cars around narrow places.
As a ploy to get more people to watch the real thing it is pointless. The townies turn up and gawp but don't get the bug. 2 euro bus from town to a spectator arena stage would be a much better promo

[racerx1979]

So excuse the question since I do not know, does Meeke get the slowest time overall or the slowest WRC time? From what I recall its the slowest time overall.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Imagine if Ogier or Neuville 'did a Meeke'... could change the whole championship in such a ridiculous way...

[HaCo]

So excuse the question since I do not know, does Meeke get the slowest time overall or the slowest WRC time? From what I recall its the slowest time overall.

So he is not out completely?

[HaCo]

Imagine if Ogier or Neuville 'did a Meeke'... could change the whole championship in such a ridiculous way...

And it is still possible...

[racerx1979]

So he is not out completely?

Not at all. Just gets a given time and will continue tomorrow. Not a 5 minute penalty like usual.

[mknight]

Anyway Meeke was running much cleaner than Mikkelsen.

LOL for 1/4 of the stage length you mean.

[HaCo]

LOL for 1/4 of the stage length you mean.

It was my impression that Mikkelsen was throwing the car more, doesn't matter... :-)

[mufcAleksi]

Meeke will get a time of the fastest time + 10 minutes. Terrible organizing, no way should it take 15 minutes to get a car off the stage. Also poor by WRC+ for messing up the live timing in the broadcast...

[mknight]

It was my impression that Mikkelsen was throwing the car more, doesn't matter... :-)

Well yes, and Mikkelsen made mistake in first corner that could have cost some car-parts. That said I was reacting to the ridiculousness of pointing out 300m of a stage before crash.

[HaCo]

Sordo touches wall...

[Essaj]

Imagine if Ogier or Neuville 'did a Meeke'... could change the whole championship in such a ridiculous way...

So Sweden 2017?

[racerx1979]

so basically Meeke is out. What a silly mistake.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The organisers got the tyre-smoking spectacle they wanted...
https://i.imgur.com/m0Z4ieA.png

[bluuford]

For all crews which re-start a time penalty will be applied. This time penalty will be as follows:
46.2.1 For every stage or super special stage missed: 7 minutes.
46.2.2 However, should the first special stage or super special stage that is missed be:
a) that run as Section 1 when followed by an overnight regroup before Section 2 or
b) the last stage before an overnight regroup, the penalty will be 10 minutes.

[racerx1979]

Tanak tearing it up! Fastest so far....

[EstWRC]

Very nice and clean run from Ott!

[mknight]

I was expecting Hyundai and Toyota to shine here... oh well.

[HaCo]

Nice time for Ott, must be huge pressure for Thierry!

[BigWorm]

Memorable stage. For all the wrong reasons.

[bluuford]

Hyundais had wrong tires for this stage.. but all of them were in 0.3 seconds

[Rallyper]

I think on WRC events they are fighting who will bring worse super special stage...

Part of the game, isn´t it? ;)

[mknight]

Hyundais had wrong tires for this stage.. but all of them were in 0.3 seconds

What tires?

[BigWorm]

What tires?

Black round Michelins

[bluuford]

What tires?

Neuville: 3H+2S Paddon: 4H+1S Sordo: 5H
Tänak+ Toyota 5 S and all others 4 S+1h

[EstWRC]

so the tyre gamble already began...

[EstWRC]

Sordo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcyZvdXoAQsxVl.jpg

[mknight]

Kopecky wins the stage :D

Multiple reasons likely appart from him being very good tarmac driver:

- smaller/narrower car with very good handling
- more rubber on the stage (just check the vid)
- getting colder fast once the sun sets so a few more hp

[EstWRC]

lol Kopecky leading the rally, amazing

[BigWorm]

Sordo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcyZvdXoAQsxVl.jpg

''I know what I can hit'' he said :D

[doubled1978]

Don't get me wrong, it's Meekes mistake...BUT, Imagine how much pressure is on the guy now. I really feel for him.

[sonnybobiche]

Are they allowed to re-mount that tyre on a new rim or is it chucked in the bin, or are they allowed to use it as is?

[RS]

So we didn't get to see the stage winner sadly :(

Still quite an achievement by Kopecky even if not a proper stage.

[Rallyper]

Kopecky wins the stage :D

Multiple reasons likely appart from him being very good tarmac driver:

- smaller/narrower car with very good handling
- more rubber on the stage (just check the vid)
- getting colder fast once the sun sets so a few more hp

No, he is the fastest guy. For sure.

[Rallyper]

Don't get me wrong, it's Meekes mistake...BUT, Imagine how much pressure is on the guy now. I really feel for him.

However I think pressure decreased now.

[racerx1979]

More rubber on the roads surely helped a little, but he would have been up there even if he went first. He was 3 tenths faster.

[mknight]

No, he is the fastest guy. For sure.

You know Kopecky won 2 stages here in 2006 driving Fabia WRC against Loeb and Sordo with Xsara, Gronholm with Focus etc...

So no need to mock him.

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe they can change this year: Meeke to WRX, Loeb to WRC

[racerx1979]

Lucky for Meeke he has a secure spot next year.

[RS]

No, he is the fastest guy. For sure.

Stage time says yes.

[mknight]

Lucky for Meeke he has a secure spot next year.

There is most likely a limit for everything. Sure he won't loose it because of this, but 1 more max 2 bad outings and it might run over.

Lefevbre also had a spot this year... and then he didn't.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHc_AXUXsAU3Kw1?format=jpg&name=large

[doubled1978]

However I think pressure decreased now.
In terms of getting a result, yes...overall I think no. At least if he made a mistake in the next 3 days when fighting for a win or podium, people would understand he was trying to achieve something. If he makes a mistake now.....doesn't bear thinking about...

[jparker]

I hope Meeke doesn't give up the fight with Mikkelsen tomorrow. I think whoever wins will get a seat for 2018.

[EstWRC]

watching wrc2 times, Kopecky completely on another level on such a short stage.

[KKS]

It was funny to watch wrc2 cars on this tricky stage... but for new wrc17 it too narrow.

[EstWRC]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10155698842289973/


LOL

[KKS]

I imagine how funny it was for R2 cars or even for R1

[Gregor-y]

Sordo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcyZvdXoAQsxVl.jpg
He's lucky it held air.

[Mirek]

The stage looked like a go-kart track you find in your nearest shopping center...


watching wrc2 times, Kopecky completely on another level on such a short stage.

6 seconds on 2 km long stage count even if the stage is totally rubbish.

I'm not that good in the history but I think that it's the first time ever when Czech driver in Czech car leads a WRC event. I take a shot and I don't care how bad the stage was :p :D

[Thousandlakes]

What is this super special? Cant they find anything better roads in that city. Maybe the most horrible ss ever. Feel pity about Meeke. Such a shame. Big syntax error in his head right now.

[AnttiL]

what the hell was going on here ? https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10155698842289973/

LOL

Doing multiple laps on a circuit does not belong to rallying. Nor does driving between concrete posts or doing donuts around haybales.

[mknight]

I hope Meeke doesn't give up the fight with Mikkelsen tomorrow. I think whoever wins will get a seat for 2018.

- Meeke has a seat for 2018
- He already lost the fight, if Mikkelsen crashes it's a draw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdL2z6WAAAkTec.jpg

[AnttiL]

- Meeke has a seat for 2018
- He already lost the fight, if Mikkelsen crashes it's a draw

Agreed. Except that I think they can still buy Meeke out of his contract or put him in a third car alternating with Lefebvre.

Meeke's behaviour was very strange when he realized the car is not going any further. He didn't get mad, he didn't rush out of the car to inspect the damage or call for someone to push the car. He just sat calmly in his seat, not saying anything, barely making an expression. It seemed like he realized it was a very crucial mistake.

[jparker]

- Meeke has a seat for 2018
- He already lost the fight, if Mikkelsen crashes it's a draw

Ending the contract will be the chaper option I guess. I guess the boss is running out of patience.
The fight is still on. I don't care who is ahead, I want to see who is faster.

[mknight]

The fight is still on. I don't care who is ahead, I want to see who is faster.

I don't think it matters at this point. Meeke has shown many times he can be faster than anyone, consistency is the problem. Being fastest after crashing doesn't help. If he managed say 4th place and stay on the road Matton would imo be more happy than crash and then winning every single stage.

[jparker]

I don't think it matters at this point. Meeke has shown many times he can be faster than anyone, consistency is the problem. Being fastest after crashing doesn't help. If he managed say 4th place and stay on the road Matton would imo be more happy than crash and then winning every single stage.

Still, if Meeke manage to finish with less than 10 mins from Mikkelsen, that will make huge difference in current situation.

[stefanvv]

Meeke has shown many times he can be faster than anyone

That depends on road position as well. Anyway advantaged or not, Meeke is a fast driver, and he probably wants to be faster anywhere, anytime, that is the problem. He can't manage the risk level when the risk is high, trying to be inch perfect at that fast corner with concrete inside wasn't very prudent.

[N.O.T]

Still, if Meeke manage to finish with less than 10 mins from Mikkelsen, that will make huge difference in current situation.

this is why people are looking at you funny when you walk the streets.....

[MrJan]

I want to see who is faster.

I have no doubt that Meeke is faster but that's no good if you keep trashing the car. Today was such a crap crash but a mistake like that on a normal stage wouldn't have the same result. Proof again that Kris just can't drive to conditions properly.

[er88]

Thank fuck that didn't happen to Neuville (again) or Ogier tonight. Would've been a horrible way for the championship to potentially be decided. We have too many of these horrible little super special stages in the WRC nowadays imo. Even some "proper" Sunday stages are no more than Mickey mouse stages. I miss the days of a whole days rallying on a Sunday

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[Andre Oliveira]

Bullying

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20842137_825003890988461_6939088271390225794_n.jpg ?oh=accd4a1d67fc668a6c374e33e1bd3887&oe=5A338C94

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHddHvDWAAE2WHU.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdczQQXkAAQZn6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdczzEXYAESUwa.jpg

Kremer
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHcrRgiXsAAn9DT.jpg


Meekes mistake at gif
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/898236643727077376

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHc6jfQVoAAAFlu.jpg

[mknight]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHddHvDWAAE2WHU.jpg


I noticed this during the live vid and it was also mentioned by the commentators.
Why is the exhaust not in right angle? (it was like that from the start of the stage) I guess it's hanging on something not to touch the bodywork etc. in the last 1/3 of the car, but still strange to come like that from service.

[dimviii]

c3 wrc always was like that(tailpipe not straight)

Sordos mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3N5g_8gRw&feature=youtu.be

[mknight]

c3 wrc always was like that(tailpipe not straight)

Sordos mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3N5g_8gRw&feature=youtu.be

If he hit exactly the middle of the wheel he could have broken it off a bit.. .but with 20 meters to the finish line he'd likely fix it and get to service anyway.

I checked some older C3 pictures and you are right, it's usually not straight.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/mwI75TZMijY

[itix]

So utterly pathetic by Meeke... There just are no words.

[wrc2017]

Its not really... it just mistake.. but i dont call it pathetic.
So utterly pathetic by Meeke... There just are no words.

[the sniper]

So utterly pathetic by Meeke... There just are no words.

What was pathetic was that stage itself...

I was sad, but completely unsurprised at this point. If nothing else though, it made watching that abysmal stage live on TV not a complete waste of time.

[itix]

Its not really... it just mistake.. but i dont call it pathetic.With his record this year, it was utterly pathetic. There are no excuses. None.

[wrc2017]

There is excuses, todays was his mistake.
With his record this year, it was utterly pathetic. There are no excuses. None.

[jparker]

What was pathetic was that stage itself...

So, bumps in Poland are OK with you, but perfectly fine technical stage is pathetic?

I don't know why so many people are criticizing the stage. Yes it's tide, yes it's very technical, and yes it's made for good drivers.

[jparker]

Bullying

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20842137_825003890988461_6939088271390225794_n.jpg ?oh=accd4a1d67fc668a6c374e33e1bd3887&oe=5A338C94
Nothing else useful in Ogier's pocket I guess.
He can't make the junk go faster, so why not do some publicity of his fading superiority.

[stefanvv]

Nothing else useful in Ogier's pocket I guess.
He can't make the junk go faster, so why not do some publicity of his fading superiority.

I'm sure You can try harder.....

[Andre Oliveira]

I miss your heartburn parker. Now go sleep, and don’t dream with M-Sport squad

[itix]

What was pathetic was that stage itself...

Regardless of the nature of the stage, Meeke grew up on narrow Irish stages. His performance was utterly pathetic.

[wrc2017]

He didnt
Regardless of the nature of the stage, Meeke grew up on narrow Irish stages. His performance was utterly pathetic.

[Essaj]

He didnt

Did we find Colin Clark's forum account?

[wrc2017]

Would that be the jackpot for you? U just refuse the acknowledge when your wrong.
Did we find Colin Clark's forum account?

[stefanvv]

There was nothing wrong with the stage for me, nice, tidy and action packed, like a mini-rally, I liked it TBH, and the time differences prove it, the only problem was its distance & repeating parts.

[Essaj]

There is excuses, todays was his mistake.

How am I wrong? you even said it yourself. Today was Meeke's fault like many times this year before. He needs to get his s*** together to have a full season seat next year. It's sad but it's true.

Can we stop going more off topic?

[stefanvv]

I miss your heartburn parker. Now go sleep, and don’t dream with M-Sport squad

Please let him speak, this is a forum after all, let him say what this is all about.

[the sniper]

So, bumps in Poland are OK with you, but perfectly fine technical stage is pathetic?

There's not much technically wrong with it, but that concrete block appreciation tour around the back end of Saarbrücken is surely leading contender for this year's least inspiring venue for a WRC stage...

[Rally Power]

Gutted for Meeke…like Neuville in Sweden, these unfortunate mistakes deserve our sorrow more than our censure. Ridiculous street stage, btw.

[Lead]

So whats the weather update down there?

[AnttiL]

So whats the weather update down there?

At least forecast is showing more rain. https://www.accuweather.com/en/de/burgen/56332/hourly-weather-forecast/174857

[EstWRC]

skyes are grey and citroen reporting that few drops in service park.

[Mise]

skyes are grey and citroen reporting that few drops in service park.

Those are tears from Meeke.

[swanny]

Those are tears from Meeke.

Ouch!

[EstWRC]

T: "So, how do be as fast as you on tarmac?"
O: "Im not tellig you, you are already faster than me on gravel!"


https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20933978_818032828368062_3809286141522545545_o.jpg ?oh=4ab81e911cc74749b705b7d3479eacbd&oe=5A34A4D6

[EstWRC]

Tänak has made his tyre choice https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/898437988706795521

i think its a good choice

[AnttiL]

Tänak has made his tyre choice https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/898437988706795521

i think its a good one


Black round Michelins
:D

[stefanvv]

Tänak has made his tyre choice https://twitter.com/OttTanak/status/898437988706795521

i think its a good one

Yeah, before I see it already got the feeling they'd be Michelin, not Pirelli.

[AMSS]

Nothing else useful in Ogier's pocket I guess.
He can't make the junk go faster, so why not do some publicity of his fading superiority.

I find it quit funny you downtalk M-sport all the time, after 9 races they lead the manufactorers championship and are joint #1 for the drivers championship, in my eyes so far this season they have the joint fastest car if we count average on all surfaces with Hyundai (look at Hyundais pace in Finland..) at least they are ahead of both Toyota and Citroen

Has Malcolm put concrete in your sandbox as a child or what do you have against M-sport?

[dimviii]

Fri 09:08 - Weather
A cloudy start, but so far the forecast heavy rain hasn't materialised. There has been some rain but very little. SS2 looks largely dry in the open areas but is likely to be wet under the trees. Rain showers are forecast for later today. The current temperature is 19˚C.

[AnttiL]

Raining at SS2 already, reported on WRC radio

[EstWRC]

cmoonnn michelin reveal that tyre choice already!

[electroliquid]

Maybe they can change this year: Meeke to WRX, Loeb to WRC

Yeah, WRX could be more suitable to Meeke or other fast and crashy drivers as Kubica or Lukyanuk. Would love to see them on WRX track.

[dimviii]

M-Sport‏*@MSportLtd
The German weather made tyre choice a tricky one this morning. We've gone with a mix - let's see if we got it right... #WRC #ADACRallye

[mknight]

Late starters will get wet mud anyway so they will go with softs with some various cutting. But the front starters could probably gain a lot with a more risky choice.

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/Michelin_Sport/status/898446474702233600

Meeke/Breen/Toyota/M-Sport: 4 Michelin Pilot Sport S5 +2H5
Paddon/Mikkelsen: 5S
Sordo/Neuville: 3S+3H

[dimviii]

no splits after 5 minutes at 9 km stage?

[Marcco]

T: "So, how do be as fast as you on tarmac?"
O: "Im not tellig you, you are already faster than me on gravel!"


https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20933978_818032828368062_3809286141522545545_o.jpg ?oh=4ab81e911cc74749b705b7d3479eacbd&oe=5A34A4D6

"These fiesta wheel arches are really comfy"

[mknight]

no splits after 5 minutes at 9 km stage?

9km circuit in an open field and all we get is stage end info yes, epic.... in 2017

[SubaruNorway]

no splits after 5 minutes at 9 km stage?

Because it's a 5min superspecial and i guess they do the loop twice if it's the same as last year so splits wouldn't work very well

[HarriK]

no splits after 5 minutes at 9 km stage?

Finish time nearby 5min. It's SSS so they go round 2 times that track... boring

[EstWRC]

this is just ridicoulous to watch...like circuit racing

[BigWorm]

Important to be faster than Seb right away. Get in Thierry!

[dimviii]

Because it's a 5min superspecial


so you find it normal.

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Tyre info, @ElfynEvans has gone with DMACK DMT-RC22 four S6+ soft and two H6+BB hard

[Ucci]

so you find it normal.
You are crying like an old granny.....forget it and concentrate on following stages.

[racerx1979]

Rally radio said Ogier spun and lost 5 secs. Still only a few seconds behind. Latvala just in second fastest behind Nueville

[dimviii]

Ogier already had an off

[AnttiL]

Ogier already had an off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHftMZnXcAAZhai.jpg

[AnttiL]

Latvala and Sordo have some slight frontal damage

[EstWRC]

msport guys not having the best opening stage at the moment., three of the slowest guys at the moment.

[noel157]

Neuville: "Okay. Three hard tyres and one hard on the car. A different package to what Seb has. I think this was a good choice"

So, 4 hard tyres?

[dimviii]

You are crying like an old granny.....forget it and concentrate on following stages.

I know its hard for you to understand why we must have splits at all stages.

[jparker]

There's not much technically wrong with it, but that concrete block appreciation tour around the back end of Saarbrücken is surely leading contender for this year's least inspiring venue for a WRC stage...

Good drivers mark those spots in the notes.

[Ucci]

I know its hard for you to understand why we must have splits at all stages.

Are you behind the wheel? Are you M.Willson or Matton? Enjoy....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

this is just ridicoulous to watch...like circuit racing

What are you watching on ?

[EstWRC]

nice one Mikkelsen...5th in overall at the moment.

[KKS]

Are German roads so poor that they must use ugly SSS to fill overall rally mileage?

[dimviii]

Kopecky 0,6 faster from Camilli

[EstWRC]

soooo long gap now to the next stage...weird

[racerx1979]

Suninen complaining he was just told to go right away from the start. He is saying his time is off due to this. What the heck are the workers doing.

[AnttiL]

What was wrong with Camilli's car? he thanked the mechanics for fixing it

[EstWRC]

so light drizzle on SS3 and TOP runners may get through without rain, should be interesting.

[AnttiL]

Suninen complaining he was just told to go right away from the start. He is saying his time is off due to this. What the heck are the workers doing.

Once again, doing laps does not belong to rallying.

[mknight]

so light drizzle on SS3 and TOP runners may get through without rain, should be interesting.

I don't like rain lottery on Friday, there is always plenty of drama even without it. Saturday afternoon or Sunday rain lottery is better. Ohh well, can't have everything.

[dimviii]

Dan ni:media‏*
@ni_media

It's now raining on Grafschaft! @Becsywecsy @EmyrPenlan

[EstWRC]

interview with Malcolm on the radio and basically saying that Ogier is leaving, he is saying they still dont have the tools at the moment that Ogier requires but he hopes to find them soon.

i mean, cmon, it is september already soon and if he still doesnt have the budget and so on then i doubt he will find it.

[jparker]

Are German roads so poor that they must use ugly SSS to fill overall rally mileage?

The stage was nice for spectators. Judging from pictures, pretty good views + 2 passes.

[EstWRC]

Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHf1ePjW0AEcfNZ.jpg

[racerx1979]

Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHf1ePjW0AEcfNZ.jpg

Duct tap will take care of that

[mknight]

interview with Malcolm on the radio and basically saying that Ogier is leaving, he is saying they still dont have the tools at the moment that Ogier requires but he hopes to find them soon.

i mean, cmon, it is september already soon and if he still doesnt have the budget and so on then i doubt he will find it.

Well if having 4 times WC in the team and leading both championships isn't enough to get Ford back, then they will never come.

As I wrote multiple times I am really worried M-Sport will go full money making and only go with cheap/pay drivers with lineup like Evans, Camili, Suninen. They did this multiple times in the past (2003, 2005). So we will possible have only 3 competitive teams again (pending Citroen improvement).

[noel157]

Rain arrives SS3:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHf4wFpWAAAIsXo.jpg

[mknight]

Matton saying Loeb liked Breen's and Mikkelsen's setup and did not like Meeke's...

[EstWRC]

this will be interesting now


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHf56P3XUAEq9Yf.jpg

[KKS]

Heavy rain in a stage
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/898463002042785792

[stefanvv]

No good for the hard tyres who has them

[mknight]

Mud bath for later cars too.

[EstWRC]

Rain stopped now reported on radio.

[mknight]

Rain stopped now reported on radio.

It's not like it gets dry in 10 mins...

Sordo and Neuville are the only ones who can't put 4 softs.

[AnttiL]

Rain stopped now reported on radio.

So dirt will get on the road but no new rain to clean the road

[eib1]

delay?

[EstWRC]

yes dealy

[noel157]

Matton saying Loeb liked Breen's and Mikkelsen's setup and did not like Meeke's...

Got a link, proof of the above statement? Or did you just make it up? Certainly not what he said in his press conference.

[HarriK]

WRC+ live maps timing shows that cars are running but speed is 0kmh... useless system... poor WRC!

[EstWRC]

Got a link, proof of the above statement? Or did you just make it up? Certainly not what he said in his press conference.


there was a interview with Matton in radio about 20 minutes ago

[Mise]

Got a link, proof of the above statement? Or did you just make it up? Certainly not what he said in his press conference.

It was Mattons interview in the rally radio. I heard it too

[AnttiL]

there was a interview with Matton in radio about 20 minutes ago
Here's the quote from the press conference


YM:
First of all, he enjoyed it a lot. He was really happy to be back in a World Rally Car. He was really fast and he was able to give us good feedback with mixed conditions in the morning and in the afternoon. He was able to give his idea about the car in those conditions. He drove both set-ups from Andreas Mikkelsen and Craig Breen – a little bit less of Kris Meeke’s because it was more racing style – and he was quite happy with it. He said that the car was on a good level to drive on tarmac.

So he drove more Mikkelsen and Breen setups, not a word about liking them better. But it could have been a different interview

[KKS]

WRC+ live maps timing shows that cars are running but speed is 0kmh... useless system... poor WRC!
What starting time you assign if you don't know exactly time delay?
They changed starting time ASAP.

[AnttiL]

Stage is live. Ogier is flying.

[Mintexmemory]

Champ has woken up!

[KKS]

c'mon Neuville you can do it!

[AnttiL]

Neuville has gone off slightly and done some damage to the car

[stefanvv]

Neuville has made a mistake, the pressure is on.

[KKS]

wow Tanak 2nd split...

[Mintexmemory]

Neuville has made a mistake, the pressure is on.
As I predicted yesterday! Different game being the hare and not the hound.

[stefanvv]

Sordo also slow, must be tyres for him

[AnttiL]

As I predicted yesterday! Different game being the hare and not the hound.

Yeh, I posted the same as well. Ogier's used to the pressure, new stuff for Neuville.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHgDGrWXYAAsaL0.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

Hands up all those who think Tanak can keep this pace up without going off (Keeps hands in pockets!)

[stefanvv]

Tanak said the stage was drying for him, probably he made some time because of it.

[EstWRC]

Hands up all those who think Tanak can keep this pace up without going off (Keeps hands in pockets!)

he didnt say like he was pushing like hell. sounded like he took it actually quite cautious.

i have been saying for years that he is actually very fast also on tarmac but he hasnt got the chance to prove it. i hope this time he does. he was going great already last year with dmacks

[noel157]

he didnt say like he was pushing like hell. sounded like he took it actually quite cautious.

i have been saying for years that he is actually very fast also on tarmac but he hasnt got the chance to prove it. i hope this time he does.

Agree, Ott is fast on asphalt, not always evident but a more versatile driver than many think.

[stefanvv]

I find it quit funny you downtalk M-sport all the time, after 9 races they lead the manufactorers championship and are joint #1 for the drivers championship, in my eyes so far this season they have the joint fastest car if we count average on all surfaces with Hyundai (look at Hyundais pace in Finland..) at least they are ahead of both Toyota and Citroen

Has Malcolm put concrete in your sandbox as a child or what do you have against M-sport?

If You turn upside down, they'll be at the bottom of the table - https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/36020-adac-rallye-deutschland-2017/?s=142869.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Finally a proper stage.

M-Sports are fastest.

[KKS]

Meeke?

[AnttiL]

No splits for Meeke?

EDIT: They appeared just after I posted

[HarriK]

No splits for Meeke?

Yes he has normal splits.

[dimviii]

Neuville was extreme lucky.
https://web.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10155700541654973/?hc_ref=ARTs4d-SRtiwfSoLHQ6rzQib17pUPtVLiv9QpLhhPdCS07sUQP6taVcNB QxdeVYKHiY&pnref=story&_rdc=1&_rdr

[noel157]

K. Meeke Citroen total abu dhabi wrt m +2.1 +2.8 +4.3

[noel157]

Neuville was extreme lucky.
https://web.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10155700541654973/?hc_ref=ARTs4d-SRtiwfSoLHQ6rzQib17pUPtVLiv9QpLhhPdCS07sUQP6taVcNB QxdeVYKHiY&pnref=story&_rdc=1&_rdr

Crazy lucky. He shouldn't be too worried about his splitter after that.

[EstWRC]

K. Meeke Citroen total abu dhabi wrt m +2.1 +2.8 +4.3

where did you get those? i see +15 alread in split 3 to Tänak and +19 in the end

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen third time and second in overall!!

[cali]

he didnt say like he was pushing like hell. sounded like he took it actually quite cautious.

i have been saying for years that he is actually very fast also on tarmac but he hasnt got the chance to prove it. i hope this time he does. he was going great already last year with dmacksWe know he is fast. Now he needs to stay on the road.

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[EstWRC]

yes yees the same old story.....

my reply was more to the people who have put him in the same league with Paddon on tarmac speedwise

[noel157]

where did you get those? i see +15 alread in split 3 to Tänak and +19 in the end

http://i.imgur.com/TTWFPF9.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen impressive.

[KKS]

Looks like Suninen want faster get out of WRC2 title duties and back to WRC`17 car

[KKS]

That was some mistake with Suninen 3rd split

[Ucci]

Kremer not faster than the fastest guys in R5....and he seems to be satisfacted?? Crazy world....

[AnttiL]

Kremer not faster than the fastest guys in R5....and he seems to be satisfacted?? Crazy world....

He's just an old guy having fun in a WRC car.

[Allez Andruet]

Kremer not faster than the fastest guys in R5....and he seems to be satisfacted?? Crazy world....

Well he's not exactly compteting for 2018 seats...

[Ucci]

He's just an old guy having fun in a WRC car.
An expensive fun....

[René]

Sordo !

[KKS]

Sordo -stopped. And as at SS3 all drama from first km's

[stefanvv]

An expensive fun....

He has some reserves, enough for him & the young Griebel.

[Ucci]

He has some reserves, enough for him & the young Griebel.
Than it is Ok! Money needs to be spent.