Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2017 [May 18-21]

[er88]

How were you watching on WRC+ mate? It tells me there is no live coverage for just under an hour...

Thanks
He's meaning the on boards from previous stages. Not live coverage

[EstWRC]

what a splits by Paddon, for sure going into the lead, Meeke too

[er88]

Neuville will get the time back. Jari causing chaos.

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[abxyz]

Blue flags when?

[abxyz]

Aaaand Meeke stopped

[EightGear]

Neuville will get the time back. Jari causing chaos.

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Lets hope so

[KKS]

Fcuk! It's so hard to be Meeke fan.....

[satukata]

kris did it again?

[er88]

Kris Meeke off now ffs

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[tomhlord]

Balls, shame for Kris.

[abxyz]

Paddon stopped too

[SubaruNorway]

Kris Meeke off now ffs

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Who said he's off? He's stopped at a junction

[EstWRC]

Meeke, lmao

[satukata]

and paddon stopped. crazy stage!

[tomhlord]

Paddon too. Wow.

[steve.mandzij]

You sound surprised?
Yes... I want to belivee

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[EightGear]

F*** this

[itix]

What the hell is going on?
I really hope that there has been a cancelation of the stage or something.

Both Meeke and Paddon at the same stage.

It would be a devastating blow to the fight

Edit; ... And Latvala

[er88]

Gutting for Meeke and Paddon, they were on it on this stage

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[Duvel]

Yes... I want to belivee

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Crazy rally, once again. Shame for meeke and paddon

[stefanvv]

#5
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/belgium.pngNeuville Thierry - Gilsoul Nicolas (https://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=36017&s=128540&d=1439522&t=vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2017)

"I was stuck behind him for more than 5km and almost went off three times. He was driving more slowly then my grandmother. I do not understand why he carried on. We have to see with the stewards now."

[er88]

Who said he's off? He's stopped at a junction
You're right, puncture apparently but still stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Went for dinner and WTF has happened on this one... crazy !

[KKS]

Meeke continue

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DANJ_QfUwAAICcD.jpg

[Eli]

Damn what a stage...first Latvala, then puncture for Meeke who is still stopped for some reason and on the move now...but really gutted for Hayden, just not his season :(

[EstWRC]

Great time for Tänak actually considering he said the car was undriveable but he is very good with driving issues.

[tomhlord]

Broken damper for Breen. More suspension dramas for Citroen.

[spiderem]

wow... just came back from a meeting and looks like this stage was a carnage

[er88]

That Citroen suspension is dodgy, no wonder they are working to bring an updated package later in the season...

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[EstWRC]

no one par me happy that Ott is leading? lol

[EightGear]

Paddon with technical issues. What a season for him, incredible.

[itix]

Broken damper for Breen. More suspension dramas for Citroen.
He's reported as changing a puncture...?

[Eli]

Broken damper for Breen. More suspension dramas for Citroen.

However he only lost 8 seconds to Ogier, not to shabby...hopefully he can continue tomorrow from 4th position.

[KKS]

Paddon on a move

[stefanvv]

FRI 18:21 - SS7: PADDON UPDATEStopped at 16km. Mechanical issue. Crew trying to solve it and restart the car.FRI 18:20 - SS7: MEEKE UPDATEStopped again

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon is the unluckiest of them all... was going into the lead.

[tomhlord]

Broken damper for Breen. More suspension dramas for Citroen.

Broken suspension for Meeke. Wonder if it's the same bump for the two cars?

[EightGear]

no one par me happy that Ott is leading? lol
Prepare for team orders now lol

[abxyz]

Broken suspension for Craig AND Kris, ffs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke suspension broken... a puncture is bad enough but that's harsh.

[Duvel]

no one par me happy that Ott is leading? lol

Great for Ott, but latvalla, Paddon and Meeke out on one stage is more news than Him leading for the moment..

[itix]

Oh ok... got the update now. Massive shame. Hope we can finish the SSS.

Can he steal a damper from the French clown? Would that be legal?

[stefanvv]

#10
https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/finland.pngLatvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka (https://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=36017&s=128540&d=1439527&t=vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2017)
"At the beginning of the stage, in the second braking, the car didn't stop. I don't know why - it felt strange. We hit a bank, onto two wheels and we rolled. We damaged the exhaust and had to use road mode."

[er88]

no one par me happy that Ott is leading? lol
I'd rather Paddon, Meeke and Jari were still in the excellent fight we had on our hands. That's what rally fans should be wanting to see. Nonetheless I'd like to see Tanak finally win a rally, this is his chance now

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[stefanvv]

Prepare for team orders now lol

This is sad:(

[tomhlord]

Meeke, lmao

Stay classy.

[EstWRC]

but the standings are still close, TOP4 in just 10 secs!!! the rally isnt gone

of course it would have been better with Paddon, Meeke and Latvala

[stefanvv]

I'm surprised there is still not single issue for Ford/M-Sport yet.

[Duvel]

but the standings are still close, TOP4 in just 10 secs!!! the rally isnt gone

of course it would have been better with Paddon, Meeke and Latvala

I hope They compensate Neuville's time also, he would be in the fight whitout the latvalla slowdown.

[EstWRC]

Stay classy.

but it is funny, actually it is SADLY funny, i like the guy and i like him a lot but this is just ridiculous how he and citroen are performing this season.

they took the whole year off and Meeke is just making mistake after mistakse and it seems there is no end to it at the moment.

[Eli]

I hope They compensate Neuville's time also, he would be in the fight whitout the latvalla slowdown.

At least 20 seconds lost he said no? Hope they will give him that time back so he'll be able to fight for the win.

[Allez Andruet]

I hope They compensate Neuville's time also, he would be in the fight whitout the latvalla slowdown.

I don't think they will. It'd be really hard to compensate that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Citroen hopes are with Craig Breen (again).

[tomhlord]

Meeke is just making mistake after mistakse and it seems there is no end to it at the moment.

It may be a mistake, but you don't know it as a fact yet. Smooth moves, Est.

[Eli]

So Citroen hopes are with Craig Breen (again).

Cheapo for him, honestly, but really it's about time they swap Lefebvre & Mikkelsen...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm surprised there is still not single issue for Ford/M-Sport yet.

They havent been any worse for problems than the others this year, its just they get highlighted for some reason.

[tomhlord]

So Citroen hopes are with Craig Breen (again).

Yup, let's see how he makes it through 2 short stages without losing too much time with a broken damper (if it can't be repaired on the road).

[tomhlord]

Big shame for Paddon.

[itix]

I guess Meeke never made it to the end of the stage... So that's it then huh?
It is so damn frustrating to be a Meeke fan. When it isn't his own bloody mistakes it is bad luck.

Do we know if he caused the suspension failure himself or if it was under "normal" conditions?

[seb_sh]

Wow what a stage. Many drivers did say on the last one that they are saving tyres for a push on this one sadly it seems mechanical issues robbed us of a great fight. But even so it's still interesting, surprised to see Sordo up there. This now turns into an MSport vs Hyundai battle with Breen there close ready to profit if the leaders hit trouble.

[spiderem]

well sordo 3.6s off the lead... not bad for someone who is considered as finished by most people here...

[Duvel]

I don't think they will. It'd be really hard to compensate that.

Well, stil 12 stages to come, so a lot can happen still.

[tomhlord]

I guess Meeke never made it to the end of the stage... So that's it then huh?
It is so damn frustrating to be a Meeke fan. When it isn't his own bloody mistakes it is bad luck.

Do we know if he caused the suspension failure himself or if it was under "normal" conditions?

No idea yet.

[wrc2017]

but it is funny, actually it is SADLY funny, i like the guy and i like him a lot but this is just ridiculous how he and citroen are performing this season.

they took the whole year off and Meeke is just making mistake after mistakse and it seems there is no end to it at the moment.
You are contibuting all Meeke incidents to driver? You dont even know what happened here and your blaming Kris? The car looks 100% intact.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala after roll

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DANOKD9UwAEx4KO.jpg:large

[Mintexmemory]

Meanwhile Ogier gets into a podium place again while his nearest challengers are behind him. He will let Tanak and Sordo go crazy and pick up the pieces! No team orders at all!

[er88]

Meanwhile Ogier gets into a podium place again while his nearest challengers are behind him. He will let Tanak and Sordo go crazy and pick up the pieces! No team orders at all!
I can see Neuville winning this rally if he gets 20s back from the stewards. Don't think Tanak would have the bottle to hold him off for the next day and a half but we'll see. Overall its still turning out well for Seb though, and you can bet there's more drama to come

[EstWRC]

You are contibuting all Meeke incidents to driver? You dont even know what happened here and your blaming Kris? The car looks 100% intact.

ok this wasnt his fault maybe but it doesnt change the idea what i want to say.

case closed for me because i cant handle all the Meeke fans here, most of you here :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier now 3rd O/A, with ONE top 3 time !

[itix]

ok this wasnt his fault maybe but it doesnt change the idea what i want to say.

case closed for me because i cant handle all the Meeke fans here, most of you here :p
I'm a Meeke fan but I agree with you... He has a godawful record this year for sure :(

[macebig]

Meeke is out AGAIN?Oh, my...

[Mise]

Latvala, Meeke, Tanak and Paddon... Can't always be bad luck. Both Sebs don't / didn't
do much mistakes,
there has to be a some reason for that.

[AL14]

Poor Paddon, I really am sorry for him.
Mechanical problem in a rally where he was shining again after one year of struggling is really unfair.

Now Tanak or Breen must win this rally to make me happy again. :(

[BigWorm]

Will Neuville get a nominal time?

[stefanvv]

Will Neuville get a nominal time?

The stewards can't make this right, because of the big time gap he was slowed by dust, so they won't.

[wrc2017]

From Citroen

SS7 - Ponte de Lima 2 (27.46km)

Big dramas in the last proper stage of the day! Kris Meeke has to retire for today with a broken damper. Latvala (rolled) and Paddon (electrical issue) also lost a lot of time. Breen reported an issue with a damper, but he can continue without trouble.

1 Sordo 19:20.2 (85.3kph)
2 Ogier +2.6
3 Tanak +4.6
4 Evans +7.1
5 Ostberg +10.4
6️⃣ BREEN +10.6
7 Hanninen +12.4
8 Neuville +19.1
9 Lappi +21.0
🔟 LEFEBVRE +33.7
13 Prokop +1:07.3
14 AL QASSIMI +1:38.1
15 Latvala +4:47.1
16 Paddon +10:57.8

Overall after SS7
1 Tanak1:33:41.4
2 Sordo +3.6 🔺
3 Ogier +6.2 🔺
4️⃣ BREEN +10.8
5 Evans +18.1 🔺
6 Neuville +23.4 🔺
7 Hanninen +49.8 🔺
8 Lappi +1:05.6 🔺
9 Mikkelsen +3:16.5 🔺
10 Ostberg +3:49.6 🔺
12 Latvala +4:42.6
13 Prokop +6:18.5
14 LEFEBVRE +8:37.8
15 AL QASSIMI +8:50.7
16 Paddon +10:56.9

[ToughMac]

Its sounding like another 'batch' problem again for Citroen.

[lnvs]

So they decided to show everyone with new car from SS8 and SS9 except Lappi and Al Qassimi... :rolleyes:

[EstWRC]

M-sport 1-2-3 on the final stage of the day almost, Paddon ruined it.

great day for Tänak and i hope we will be in the same position tomorrow and at the end of the rally.

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen made the overall 5th fastest time on SS8 :D

[Mirek]

The way Mikkelsen keeps crushing other WRC2 guys is near painful to watch. Still not that extreme like when Ogier drove S2000 but still.

[stefanvv]

Paddon ruined it.

What he did?

[EstWRC]

i meant he ruined m-sport 1-2-3 in final stage but now Mads took the stage

[stefanvv]

The way Mikkelsen keeps crushing other WRC2 guys is near painful to watch. Still not that extreme like when Ogier drove S2000 but still.

And sometimes Mikkelsen was faster than Ogier.

[satukata]

Startlist for tomorrow?

[KKS]

I hope They compensate Neuville's time also, he would be in the fight whitout the latvalla slowdown.
it's a bullshit. First they compensate for dust trail problems and than they compensate for bad run or punctured tyre? pff.

[Mirek]

And sometimes Mikkelsen was faster than Ogier.

If You mean in 2012 than no, he wasn't unless You count maybe a handful of stages in the whole season. The only case when Mikkelsen finished ahead was when Ogier's engine broke down in Spain, otherwise Ogier finished always minutes ahead of Mikkelsen. You can check the results.


it's a bullshit. First they compensate for dust trail problems and than they compensate for bad run or punctured tyre? pff.

+1, dust has always been part of the game and one of the few things which compensate the disadvantage of running first.

[mknight]

Lefvebre's crash on SS3 is at 8:52. 150 kph corner. He was extremely lucky to get away with it with only two punctures.

[mknight]

If You mean in 2012 than no, he wasn't unless You count maybe a handful of stages in the whole season. The only case when Mikkelsen finished ahead was when Ogier's engine broke down in Spain, otherwise Ogier finished always minutes ahead of Mikkelsen. You can check the results.


There were a few moments, like here:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=3488&s=23516&ct=212&t=rally-sweden-2012

Overall Ogier was clearly faster yes, that said Mikkelsen was nowhere near Ogiers level overall at that point (he's also 6 years younger).

[steve.mandzij]

it's a bullshit. First they compensate for dust trail problems and than they compensate for bad run or punctured tyre? pff.
Agreed. That's just how rally is.

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[stefanvv]

If You mean in 2012 than no, he wasn't unless You count maybe a handful of stages in the whole season.

Yes, that's what I meant, also agree Ogier destroyed everyone that season. 2012 & 2015 are the greatest seasons for him in my opinion.

[KKS]

From Citroen

Kris Meeke has to retire for today with a broken damper. L

Really???
Broken damper now it's a reason to retire? Citroen don't make us an idiots

I think that happen something like in Sweden "I don't drive this shit!" or so.
PS And Meeke before 2nd stop CAN drive a car.

[KKS]

Michelin video day2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQz_eIPCbXQ

[OldF]

Jari you idiot. Pull over you mug

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You fuckin jerk, do you think you know what’s going on the stage.

[Allez Andruet]

You fuckin jerk, do you think you know what’s going on the stage.

Exactly. What should have JM done? Retire for good because of Neuville? Come on...

[spiderem]

didn't breen got a broken damper too? looks like he managed to finish the day with more than reasonable timing...
Mature drive from the youngster imo (breen, evans, tanak...)
Look forward to tomorrow!
Personal wish, tanak to win his first rally.

[EstWRC]

Neuville now 4th in the standings, 11 secs behind

[Integrale]

Is this real? I'm a fan, but this is a wrong decision.

[Roy]

Is this real? I'm a fan, but this is a wrong decision.

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Quadro_oficial_de_afixacao/2017/Decisoes/CoC_Decision_No._4.pdf

Decision of clerc of the course

[Allez Andruet]

This must be a joke, right? Since when have these kind of things been compensated?

[mknight]

Not much of a fan of that either, things like this happen all the time, specially to drivers further down the field. Don't remember many people getting time compensation for so small time losses. But yes those 15s he got are "fair" if you look at spilts vs Ogier and Sordo before and after.

[Kielder]

Four stages seen today (both runs in Viana & Caminha). Really fast zones away from spectator zones.
In Viana, where we were a guy had a gun radar, which showed that the cars reached a speed of 167 km/h. We were after the fastest zone (which we also could see) where the cars reached even more speed in a narrow downhill.
Some photos taken at the slowest places:

http://i67.tinypic.com/2e5jw2r.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/dgi3vc.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/if73aa.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/aa9kwg.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/11b7s7l.jpg

Tomorrow, both runs in Vieira do Minho.

[steve.mandzij]

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Quadro_oficial_de_afixacao/2017/Decisoes/CoC_Decision_No._4.pdf

Decision of clerc of the course
Wow, how shitty. When Warmbold held up Duval in NZ 2004 no action was taken, if I recall correctly... Getting stuck in somebody's dust is part of the game.

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[A FONDO]

Rightful decision by the stewards.

[stefanvv]

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/ResourcesUser/Documentos/Quadro_oficial_de_afixacao/2017/Decisoes/CoC_Decision_No._4.pdf

Decision of clerc of the course

This is NOT rally.

EDIT: How much time they plan to give back to Tanak?

[AnttiL]

Didn't the same happen when Novikov drove with his bonnet open in Finland some years back and Meeke had to slow down behind, and got some seconds cut off?

[stefanvv]

Didn't the same happen when Novikov drove with his bonnet open in Finland some years back and someone else had to slow down behind, and got some seconds cut off?

That was Novikov's fault. Now the case is different, Latvala didn't slow down neither Neuville, nor Tanak. If they compensate Neuville, should do the same with Tanak.

[mknight]

As far as I remember people would typically get compensated if they lost a minute or thereabouts. Compensating 15s is something new, question is where you draw the line. 2-5s incidents happen like every second stage.

[Watson]

Rightful decision by the stewards.

It so isn't. I can't remember any time anyone got their time corrected for that. It's bad luck like a puncture. Equal treatment for everybody. This is a load of BS.

[steve.mandzij]

It so isn't. I can't remember any time anyone got their time corrected for that. It's bad luck like a puncture. Equal treatment for everybody. This is a load of BS.
Just saw the footage. The damn stewards are acting as if Latvala purposely held him back. What does Neuville expect? Does he think Latvala will somehow know to pull over before he even calls the team?

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[stefanvv]

Just saw the footage. The damn stewards are acting as if Latvala purposely held him back. What does Neuville expect? Does he think Latvala will somehow know to pull over before he even calls the team?

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Latvala DID pull over Neuville to pass him. No excuses for the latter. I really start to NOT like the Hyundai team.

BTW: What's the excuse for Neuvile between split 1 & 2 when losing ~5 seconds to Ogier when he had ALREADY passed Latvala before 1st split?

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/22638-rally-portugal-2017-day-2wrc-wrc2/

[itix]

Why is everyone suddenly upset that Neuville got time back. He was clearly held up by Latvala given the splits. Had he started one position behind he would not have lost time.

The stewards corrected this and now we are upset? Really?

This has happened before on a number of rallies.

[mknight]

Meekes SS7 onboard seems like a normal crash. Lost it a bit under braking on tarmac and hit a concrete block on the side. Time in 8:00.

[stefanvv]

Why is everyone suddenly upset that Neuville got time back.

Argentina safety rules break, now acting like spoiled kid. Yes I'm upset.

[dimviii]

https://ewrc-results.com/video/22639-wrc-rally-de-portugal-2017-leg-1-flatout-speed-show-full-hd/

[Allez Andruet]

The stewards corrected this and now we are upset? Really?

Corrected what? What was there for the stewards to correct?

[itix]

Argentina safety rules break, now acting like spoiled kid. Yes I'm upset.

What are you on about?



Corrected what? What was there for the stewards to correct?

Time loss from following Latvala naturally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meekes SS7 onboard seems like a normal crash. Lost it a bit under braking on tarmac and hit a concrete block on the side. Time in 8:00.

Yep, no bad luck puncture but another Meekstake.

[itix]

Meekes SS7 onboard seems like a normal crash. Lost it a bit under braking on tarmac and hit a concrete block on the side. Time in 8:00.
Meeke, ever the disappointment :(

[stefanvv]

What are you on about?




Time loss from following Latvala naturally.

.... and about Tanak's time loss? I'm waiting for Tanak's compensation time. Don't care much about Neuville's.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Doesn't suit me as an M-Sport supporter but I agree with Neuville's time correction. It may not be a consistent decision but it was a fair one as he lost a lot of time through no fault of his own.

[itix]

.... and about Tanak's time loss? I'm waiting for Tanak's compensation time. Don't care much about Neuville's.
Did he appeal? Perhaps the decision is still to come.

I am sure they have access to the onboards and can do some quick calculations.

[Watson]

What are you on about?

His mechanics "forgot" to install his mirrors after a service. If you have the capability of critical thinking you know that they just left them off to gain time for repairs (since missing to put mirros on the car for them is like you forgetting to put pants on in the morning). He just got a fine, other people get disqualified for far smaller infringements. And now he goes crying about getting stuck in someone else's dust. Hell that happens almost every rally and they just live with it. They're playing shady games and we are not entitled to find it disgraceful?

It's not very sportsman-like, is it now?

[stefanvv]

Did he appeal? Perhaps the decision is still to come.

I am sure they have access to the onboards and can do some quick calculations.

Appeal or not, the sport should fair.

[SubaruNorway]

Latvala DID pull over Neuville to pass him. No excuses for the latter. I really start to NOT like the Hyundai team.

BTW: What's the excuse for Neuvile between split 1 & 2 when losing ~5 seconds to Ogier when he had ALREADY passed Latvala before 1st split?

Latvala asked the team to tell him when Neuville was close but never heard anything.
Neuville passed him after the 1st split. Split 2 and 3 you mean i guess? Could be stress maybe, damage to the car after nearly going off 3 times...?
The corrected time was ok since he was 2 up on Ogier, lost 5 and got a time 5 behind. Should have been 2 sec better really.

[Krigen]

Remember Ogier got some time back in GB a few years ago for same reason. What will be tommorows startlist ?

[itix]

His mechanics "forgot" to install his mirrors after a service. If you have the capability of critical thinking you know that they just left them off to gain time for repairs (since missing to put mirros on the car for them is like you forgetting to put pants on in the morning). He just got a fine, other people get disqualified for far smaller infringements. And now he goes crying about getting stuck in someone else's dust. Hell that happens almost every rally and they just live with it. They're playing shady games and we are not entitled to find it disgraceful?

It's not very sportsman-like, is it now?

That's just a ridiculous conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense if you lack it.

Putting on a mirror takes about as much time as putting your pants on in the morning.

...So no, I do believe they did forget it.

And he was more than stuck in his dust. He was slowed down and had to pass him.

[itix]

Appeal or not, the sport should fair.
Like all organizations, you need to appeal if you want something done.

The state does not issue you a passport if you don't ask for one...

[stefanvv]

Latvala asked the team to tell him when Neuville was close but never heard anything.
Neuville passed him after the 1st split. Split 2 and 3 you mean i guess? Could be stress maybe, damage to the car after nearly going off 3 times...?
The corrected time was ok since he was 2 up on Ogier, lost 5 and got a time 5 behind. Should have been 2 sec better really.

Yes, splits 2&3, my bad. In the highlights though have sad Neuville lost ONLY 7 seconds being after Latvala. What is Latvala's fault if Neuville get stressed/had some car damage? How come Tanak didn't had them? If Neuville is compensated, so should be Tanak, simple as that.

[stefanvv]

Like all organizations, you need to appeal if you want something done.

The state does not issue you a passport if you don't ask for one...

This is a sport and everyone participating should put under same RULES.

[stefanvv]

Putting on a mirror takes about as much time as putting your pants on in the morning.

May be the mechanics were too busy changing his gearbox?!?

[itix]

This is a sport and everyone participating should put under same RULES.
They are... If you appeal.
Just like in the real world where the rest of us live.

If you and your friend both got parking tickets in error, you both have to appeal and you will both be treated equally by the law.

Same here.

[SubaruNorway]

Yes, splits 2&3, my bad. In the highlights though have sad Neuville lost ONLY 7 seconds being after Latvala. What is Latvala's fault if Neuville get stressed/had some car damage? How come Tanak didn't had them? If Neuville is compensated, so should be Tanak, simple as that.

Yes he lost 7 sec to Sordo with the corrected time. Haven't seen it yet but maybe it has something to do with the Toyota team not making a mistake and got Latvala stopped so Tanak could pass and not sit right behind for 5km like Neuville did? Tanak didn't loose any time to speak of anyway.

[er88]

Dunno why everyone is moaning about Neuville rightfully getting some time back. Think a lot of you guys are worrying about Neuville smashing it tomorrow now he's in a position to hunt down the win ;)

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[Watson]

If you and your friend both got parking tickets in error, you both have to appeal and you will both be treated equally by the law.

It's more like a footballer going to the ground in the box like a dying swan after an obviously unintentional contact.

[mknight]

Yes he lost 7 sec to Sordo with the corrected time. Haven't seen it yet but maybe it has something to do with the Toyota team not making a mistake and got Latvala stopped so Tanak could pass and not sit right behind for 5km like Neuville did? Tanak didn't loose any time to speak of anyway.

Define "any time to speak of".

Neuville gets 12s, so if you loose 11s it's no problem? How about 5s or 2s? Rallies and podium places were decided by less in both Argentina and Corsica.

[SubaruNorway]

Define "any time to speak of".

Neuville gets 12s, so if you loose 11s it's no problem? How about 5s or 2s? Rallies and podium places were decided by less in both Argentina and Corsica.

An even time loss through the stage, he was 1 sec down on Sordo on the 1st split already and had some damage that made the car difficult to drive, hard to get time back then anyway.
Lets just watch the onboard when it's up and judge then shall we :)

[stefanvv]

Yes he lost 7 sec to Sordo with the corrected time. Haven't seen it yet but maybe it has something to do with the Toyota team not making a mistake and got Latvala stopped so Tanak could pass and not sit right behind for 5km like Neuville did? Tanak didn't loose any time to speak of anyway.

So Neuville got stressed Toyota team couldn't warn Latvala in time and protest about it. Are You serious?

[stefanvv]

They are... If you appeal.

No, competitors START under SAME rules, not appealing to MAKE them. If some team is preferred over another, just because the former appeal, it is tendency, not justice.

[SubaruNorway]

So Neuville got stressed Toyota team couldn't warn Latvala in time and protest about it. Are You serious?

No, he didn't get that time back but the time he lost behind him. Who knows, maybe he would be equal or faster to Sordo since he was 1.7 up if it didn't happen so Neuville got nothing for free in this. Use some common sense will you ;)

[N.O.T]

No, competitors START under SAME rules, not appealing to MAKE them. If some team is preferred over another, just because the former appeal, it is tendency, not justice.

cry more...


kid...

http://i.imgur.com/WAInzYZ.gif

[itix]

No, competitors START under SAME rules, not appealing to MAKE them. If some team is preferred over another, just because the former appeal, it is tendency, not justice.
These are senseless ramblings. You have no idea what you are talking about. There isn't a global motorsport conspiracy against "certain teams".

Now take your pills before you start seeing demons or something.


May be the mechanics were too busy changing his gearbox?!?

You are not mechanically minded are you? It doesn't take all the mechanics to change the gearbox.

In fact, they'd be mostly in each other's way.

[stefanvv]

Good night!

[seb_sh]

I'll reserve judgement on the Neuville issue until I get a better idea of what happened.

Otherwise, an interesting day:
- Meeke had another incident, I left him out of my pickems expecting a crash or problem with the car, not wishing it but it seems things are not going his way at the moment
- DMACK don't have an advantage on this rally and so Evans is a bit further back, probably a more realistic place for him
- Ogier's new Ford seems to have solved most of his problems so it's looking good for the rest of the season, he can win the championship even if he doesn't win another rally this year
- Breen consistent and relatively quick yet again on stages he hasn't driven before, if he can increase his pace just a bit to be closer to the podium he'll be a wanted driver, maybe not lead driver but definitely strong
- Neuville slower than expected but it has happened before thisyear, he will probably find some more speed tomorrow
- Paddon showed good pace for the first time this year, unlucky with car problems
- Sordo managed to avoid problems and drive well, maybe a bit unnoticed but has good chances for a podium here
- Latvala had good pace until his strange problem I think he will be in the fight for the championship until close to the end
- Hyundai and MSport are still the strongest teams, Citroen continues to not be able to get it together and Toyota = Latvala for now at least

For tomorrow it will probably be a 3-way fight between Ogier, Tanak and Neuville for the win, Sordo can fight for a podium and Breen can expect to continue as now.

[Zeakiwi]

Portugal - Neuville delay in overtaking Latvala. Does the wrc gps timing system get damaged in roll overs?
Rally Safe - Australia - push button - on stage overtake request alert function.
https://youtu.be/iDWseIQE42U?t=3m15s

[GravelBen]

- Paddon showed good pace for the first time this year, unlucky with car problems

Did his stage wins in Argentina not count as good pace? Or sitting 3rd in Mexico before engine problems? People have such short memories. ;)

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrtf1Mtzptw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvu-j8Brqkg nice corner to see every drivers technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejOeafCufbU#t=5.936996642 great quality!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBrPjw2Q4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crbfs9CPLU

[itix]

Just saw the TV footage of Kris's krash.
So unnecessary and stupid.

He has some serious pulling-himself-together to do for 2018. He can forget this season now and it is his fault at every rally but Corsica.

Such an utter disappointment.

[N.O.T]

Just saw the TV footage of Kris's krash.
So unnecessary and stupid.

He has some serious pulling-himself-together to do for 2018. He can forget this season now and it is his fault at every rally but Corsica.

Such an utter disappointment.

meeke is an older version of latvala... a very fast nobody that none will remember or miss when he retires.

[COD]

Ogier the old fox closed his gap to leader by 1,2 sec on the two superspecials. That is is smart driving. Who said SSS are just for show?

[N.O.T]

Who said SSS are just for show?

everyone with a functional brain...

[EstWRC]

so an hour left till the first stage...Tänak and Järveoja have been telling the whole week to estonian media that the SS11 Cabeceiras de Basto will be very rough...the stage was very rough and rutted already on the recce, thats the stage they are most afraid of....Järveoja saying the long 37km Amarante is actually a good one with sandy and soft surface. Meeke made a lot of time up there last year on the first pass, it cleaned a lot.

[Allez Andruet]

Time loss from following Latvala naturally.

Yeah... naturally... It was a joke of a decision from the stewards. I guess from now on every single time you need to slow down due to whatever reason, you just make an appeal and you'll get some seconds back.

[KKS]

Time loss from following Latvala naturally.
they must appeal to physics neither to stewards

[KKS]

That's just a ridiculous conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense if you lack it.

Putting on a mirror takes about as much time as putting your pants on in the morning.

...So no, I do believe they did forget it.

And he was more than stuck in his dust. He was slowed down and had to pass him.
And Paddon just "simply" late at TC to start behind Tanak )))

[KKS]

and had some damage that made the car difficult to drive
Really? Or it's just a words from disappointment Nueville?

[mknight]

An even time loss through the stage, he was 1 sec down on Sordo on the 1st split already and had some damage that made the car difficult to drive, hard to get time back then anyway.
Lets just watch the onboard when it's up and judge then shall we :)

My comment was not specifically about Tanak, I have no idea if he lost any time at all and tbh I don't care that much either.

The point was that if they start correcting times for ~12s "delays" where does that end? Will this lead to every driver complaining about every small 10s loss due to something happening on the stage? These kind of small loses happen all the time. (car crashes, animals on road ++)

[SubaruNorway]

Really? Or it's just a words from disappointment Nueville?

This was about Tanak, pay attention ;)

[SubaruNorway]

My comment was not specifically about Tanak, I have no idea if he lost any time at all and tbh I don't care that much either.

The point was that if they start correcting times for ~12s "delays" where does that end? Will this lead to every driver complaining about every small 10s loss due to something happening on the stage? These kind of small loses happen all the time. (car crashes, animals on road ++)

Tanak's onboard still not up so don't know either and he hasen't mentioned it once so probably not. He lost around 18 to Sordo, where do you get 12 from? It's good that they give time back, or else we could have a situation where a team mate could hold another driver up to help his team. Although most of the field are too nice to ever do something like that i think.

Animals and random things like that you can't do anything about usually, holding another driver up is something you can do something about.

[stefanvv]

My comment was not specifically about Tanak, I have no idea if he lost any time at all and tbh I don't care that much either.

The point was that if they start correcting times for ~12s "delays" where does that end? Will this lead to every driver complaining about every small 10s loss due to something happening on the stage? These kind of small loses happen all the time. (car crashes, animals on road ++)

The organizers of Catalunya & Australia must be prepared for a shower of requests for time compensation because of standing dust on the stages. I don't want to be on their place.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQT7ikXgAAoD0i.jpg

[dimviii]

#Tyre info - Day 2 - Morning loop
All Michelin #WRC drivers with 5 LTX Force S5 except Lefebvre with 6 S
#RallyPortugal

[KKS]

we expect some appeal from Hyundai cuz Paddon runs it slow Gorban dust :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Which is the live stage on RTP today ?

[Lundefaret]

Hyundai mechanics incredible, changed whole wiring loom in Haydens car in less than two hours.
I cant even change the light bulb in my girlfriends car in less than that.

[abxyz]

Which is the live stage on RTP today ?

12 and 15

[Duvel]

Tanak's onboard still not up so don't know either and he hasen't mentioned it once so probably not. He lost around 18 to Sordo, where do you get 12 from? It's good that they give time back, or else we could have a situation where a team mate could hold another driver up to help his team. Although most of the field are too nice to ever do something like that i think.

Animals and random things like that you can't do anything about usually, holding another driver up is something you can do something about.

Agree, time lost for neuville was coused by other driver going slow. We all know latvalla didn`t do this on purpose, but teams could take disadvantage of this situation. So in that view, correct decision.

Hanging dust is same for everybody. Exept first on road, but that guy is just lucky at that moment

[jparker]

Good night!

I think there are two aspects of this argument here.
First, is Neuville's compensation fair? I think yes.
However, this should not be decided in such a way.
Stefanvv is right. This should be governed by rules, not by some rally officials.
Fore example, in similar cases the held up driver shoul receive averave time for the stage, or something in that direction.

[dimviii]

Neuville at Latvalas dust incar
https://www.facebook.com/FanClubTNNG/videos/1309009749154168/

[abxyz]

Great start from Evans

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQV5vRWAAAo76f.jpg

[stefanvv]

Go Evans

[Eli]

wait so Meeke isn't on superrally rules?

[KKS]

wait so Meeke isn't on superrally rules?
On superally.

[EightGear]

Tanak losing time at the end of the stage as usual.

[N.O.T]

both tanak and sordo lost a lot in the final split...

[Eli]

On superally.
So isn't he supposed to be a road sweeper?

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

damn Tänak, the whole weekend he is fastest in first split but then give a lot away, i dont know whats the problem, so frustrating

[KKS]

So isn't he supposed to be a road sweeper?

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
no... superally drivers start after all RC1 was reversed.
Road position decided before SSS, so Paddon was "normal finisher" and he was reversed. Meeke - retired before SSS and than he start far back

[KKS]

... i dont know whats the problem, so frustrating
I think we all now guessing what really a problem NOW :D

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak 2m2 minutes ago
More
SS10: "I didn't do this stage last year so not fully committed in places. Still a good feeling with the car so let's see in the next one."

[Eli]

no... superally drivers start after all RC1 was reversed.
Road position decided before SSS, so Paddon was "normal finisher" and he was reversed. Meeke - retired before SSS and than he start far back

Ahh I see, thankx for clearing that for me.

[stefanvv]

Latvala's crash - https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/22647-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2017-crash-latvala/

Neuville almost did the same.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice start by Evans, back on pace. Ogier now going for the lead.

[KKS]

Nice and close 1st split from all Toyotas!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQihQbXgAAP9Da.jpg

[Lundefaret]

damn Tänak, the whole weekend he is fastest in first split but then give a lot away, i dont know whats the problem, so frustrating

He is very hard on tires, could be the answer?

[N.O.T]

very bad second split by evans....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another puncture ruining his rally... his fault though after running wide.

[EstWRC]

Cmon Tänak now keep that pace to the end!!!

[N.O.T]

nice second split by Neuville and 1st split by Tanak.

[stefanvv]

Front left puncture for Evans, shame, he was doing quite well.

[BigWorm]

Must be a problem for Elfyn

[Eli]

Must be a problem for Elfyn

Yes puncture unfortunately, shame he just climbed to 5th beforehand.

[abxyz]

Wow, Ott is flying

[N.O.T]

nice attack by Tanak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak going for it on this one.

[N.O.T]

Ogier takes another 5sec from Neuville...

[stefanvv]

Yeah, Tanak is clearly under team orders to destroy his tyres for the next stage.

[satukata]

Estonian on Fire!

[dimviii]

Tanak is pushing hard,nice 2nd split

[MikeD]

Nice drive by Ott Tänak. Would be nice if he could win this one. And nice that Ogier stays in front of Neuville.

[Allez Andruet]

WOW! Tänak!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DMACK Tyres‏ @DMACK_Tyres
Drama for @ElfynEvans - he drops time after going off the road trying to avoid a rock on the line.

[N.O.T]

nice... lets see what will happen in the long one.

[stefanvv]

Can we watch the next stage here? - http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp1

[EstWRC]

and he even gained 0.2 secs with last split this time, lol....very nice stage and wasnt even flat out as i understood :)

[A FONDO]

Can we watch the next stage here? - http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp1

Probably not but at least the next one today will be on redbull

[dimviii]

nice photos

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18527415_10211637007295464_7120480521189271795_o.j pg?oh=f32fe56036a3657a8a8c166107c38278&oe=59B33AF1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQrAVPXsAA9csy.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can we watch the next stage here? - http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp1

Definitely ! :)

[AL14]

Very very nice battle now between Tanak and Ogier. Let's see how Ott behave against the champ and let's hope Malcom will let us enjoy a straight fight.

[AL14]

Can we watch the next stage here? - http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp1

OT: I'm watching this channel and I have to say portuguese language is very nice to hear, very musical. I understand less than nothing... contrary to spanish which is much more familiar for an italian, but I really love the sound.

[satukata]

anu live stream?

[Mintexmemory]

Very very nice battle now between Tanak and Ogier. Let's see how Ott behave against the champ and let's hope Malcom will let us enjoy a straight fight.

The Champ won't bust a gut to beat Ott - all through the rally so far he's been driving within himself allowing others to out-psych themselves. Expect him to save enough of the tyres to take the PS though. In a year where the competition is evenly matched the superior stage craft and mental approach will win - no one else is in the same category.

[KKS]

just some ad at rtp will they stream stage?

[EstWRC]

started now

[satukata]

we are live!!

[abxyz]

Anyone got a back up link, official stream seems to be geoblocked

[Duvel]

Definitely ! :)

Not playing for the moment, correct?

[stefanvv]

Anyone got a back up link, official stream seems to be geoblocked

Works fine with Hola on Chrome

[AL14]

Works fine with Hola on Chrome

You sorcerer, what is hola?

[KKS]

not work for me(

[abxyz]

You sorcerer, what is hola?

Free VPN + Botnet, would recommend uninstalling after watching the stages

[Eli]

You sorcerer, what is hola?

Hola unblocker, makes you come from a country you're not and changes your IP accordingly.

[Sch17]

This link works fine by me: http://istvfree2.me/rtp-1-online-em-direto

[Duvel]

Ok, i'm just following the splits than...
Ogier is on it for the moment

[itix]

Hyundai mechanics incredible, changed whole wiring loom in Haydens car in less than two hours.
I cant even change the light bulb in my girlfriends car in less than that.
Yes, so incredible that they have figured out a way to make the car more competitive by removing the mirrors apparently *sarcasm*
(really, this forum is turning into something I was used to seeing when I still followed formula 1, ie full of retarded conspiracy theories etc)

Anyway yes, that is amazing. I'm surprised they had one spare with them. I know they also make the looms by hand according to a pre-made map which is equally amazing. Probably a fault somewhere in that process, or the loom rubbed somewhere.

[AL14]

Hola unblocker, makes you come from a country you're not and changes your IP accordingly.

I understand thanks, I had a similar software but it was free just for 500mb.

[dimviii]

Tanak flying again

[stefanvv]

Heavy scrap between Ogier & Tanak.

[Lundefaret]

If Ott wins this, its going to be extremely deserved - he is really impressive at the moment!

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
. @ElfynEvans continues to drop time through SS12 with a broken front left damper after his off in the previous stage

[AL14]

Tanak flying again

I think he will lose everything at the end because of tyres management but still impressive pace.

[Watson]

Do we think that Malcolm is cruel enough to take away Ott's maiden victory in favour of a massive points gain for Ogier? (Given it still looks like this tomorrow)

If I was him I wouldn't wanna upset him since he is out of contract at the end of the year. If Seb leaves Tanak would probably be the next best option as lead driver.

[stefanvv]

Heavy scrap between Ogier & Tanak.

Ironically Neuville can only "breath their dust"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why was Paddon so slow ?

[stefanvv]

Bad 3rd split for Tanak, pity

[dimviii]

Why was Paddon so slow ?

start position

[EightGear]

Aaaaaand its gone.

[dimviii]

Bad 3rd split for Tanak, pity

rear left damage reported at wrc.com

[EstWRC]

28 secs already in 4th split, bye guys from me

[Fast Eddie WRC]

start position

Of course thanks. Watching live stream on my tv away from my PC and just saw the time on the screen.

[A FONDO]

After a couple of good stages yesterday Paddon is a total shame today again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak what happened now ??

[dimviii]

Tanak what happened now ??

rear left damage

[KKS]

Tidemand 2nd split was faster than Mikkelsen

[Watson]

Tanak what happened now ??

Must've hit something.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disaster... car struggling along.