Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2017 [May 18-21]

[dimviii]

did you saw Lappis reaction at Mads jump? priceless!!

[dimviii]

@khalidbinfaisal "Quite a moment for sure. I wanted to carry a bit more speed!"
After a nose-heavy landing!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAWR8T5XgAAmDJx.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans wowwwww !!

[dimviii]

Evans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAWTG3yXYAAqUqA.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Job done .. congrats Seb !

[AnttiL]

Well done Esapekka!

[BigWorm]

Masterful drive by Ogier, once again. Happy for him!

[dimviii]

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SS19: Mikkelsen shock! - WRC+ tracking system shows WRC 2 leader Mikkelsen stopped at 2km! #WRC

[abxyz]

oh shit Mikkelsen stopped

[EstWRC]

Tänak will take the five points tomorrow, i have reserved them to him


:cool::cool::cool:

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen rolled according to wrc.com

[dimviii]

Sun 13:24 - Mikkelsen update
WRC TV crew reports that Mikkelsen has rolled. He continued briefly but then stopped.

[bugwrx]

Deserved PS win for Tänak, he was one of the faster if not the fastest drivers this event. Only 5 points between him and Latvala now.

[mousti]

Mikkelsen rolled :O

[Mirek]

This is ridiculous.

[AnttiL]

He tried to go for a power stage point?

[dimviii]

This is ridiculous.

it happens.

[Mirek]

He tried to go for a power stage point?

Probably.

[KKS]

Mikkelsen reminds that you need always to be concentrated... even if you have a 3min lead, even if you near TOP3 best rally driver in a world

[Ucci]

Well done Mr.Ogier. More than deserved victory (and a much needed-victory, too..). I'm very very happy for him and the team, of course. The new car is definitely progress in the right direction.
Neuville can be also very satisfied with second place, he is still in the fight for the championship.
Sordo- avoiding troubles, tactical approach showed again benefit. Hyundai collected a lot of manu points.....
Tanak-fast, but missing some luck.
Hanninen-best Toyota in the finish (although not the fastest one...), but he must be happy already to finish without supperrally rule....
Mikkelsen-donkey of the whole weekend.....

[A FONDO]

Finally Ogier is clearly fastest this year. King of Portugal no matter south or nord.
Fairplay from Neuville to honestly say Seb is just faster. No childish excuses, no sick ego, no hatred. You will never see that from Paddon for example.
Mikelsen just showed that noone was wrong for not putting him in unfamiliar car to fight for positions.

[sonnybobiche]

Fairplay from Neuville to honestly say Seb is just faster. No childish excuses, no sick ego, no hatred. You will never see that from Paddon for example.

Woah, unexpected Paddon hate. I wouldn't say he's my favorite, but in the battle of biggest egos I think Neuville beats Paddon by miles. Hell, he's got a bigger ego than Ogier did in 2011.

As for Mikkelsen, I don't rate him as highly as most people do, but for him to be in an R5 while someone like Lefebvre or Hanninen is in a works WRC car is a farce.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ott Tänak‏ @OttTanak
'Ending Rally Portugal on a high with maximum points on the Power Stage! We finish fourth overall and are hungrier than ever !'

See, I said a good performance would keep him more motivated.

[sete]

Happy to see M-sport guys back on winning course.
Its too early to judge Mikkelsen,maybe it can also happened by tech. failure?anf if not this thing happened,remember Ogier few years ago in Spain?!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark‏ @voiceofrally
And to think, I had concerns about reliability at the start of the year. Just the most unbelievable job Mr Wilson and his team are doing.

You weren't the only one Col, plenty on here. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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Sébastien Ogier @SebOgier
"I'm happy with the car. Thank you @MSportLtd, they deserve it, it’s a team effort".

The rest had better watch out now.. ;)

[USER47]

...Its too early to judge Mikkelsen,maybe it can also happened by tech. failure?...
Not a tech failure.

"Right-hand corner, second gear, hit a rock and we were flipped around... My mistake totally! #RallyPortugal over for us at SS19. #WRC2"

https://twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally/status/866283621182734340

[Kielder]

amazing place at 0,16!

any personal opinions about what you watch so far Kielder?

To sum up, the same as I watched when I saw the cars testing. Ogier drives on Saturdays in Loeb mode. It was clear this morning that the job was done, so he can also drive on Sundays in safe mode. M-Sport people are also doing their job. The car is clearly much more reliable and efficient than in past seasons. Of course, a huge percentage of the improvement has arrived with Ogier, contributing with his knowledge after driving for the best teams of the last years. A clear probe of what I say is both Tanak and Evans performances nowadays.

[Kielder]

More flat out places from yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TfnVebXavg

[steve.mandzij]

Finally Ogier is clearly fastest this year. King of Portugal no matter south or nord.
Fairplay from Neuville to honestly say Seb is just faster. No childish excuses, no sick ego, no hatred. You will never see that from Paddon for example.
Mikelsen just showed that noone was wrong for not putting him in unfamiliar car to fight for positions.
But, the dust!

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[Eli]

Must say well done to Seb Ogier, again he has proven to us why he has taken the WDC in the past 4 years and why he will take it this year, if M-Sport manage to capitalize on that & take the manufacturer crown this year also and convince Ford to comeback all ready after 5 years of waiting it will be great. As for the others, another fine podium for the Hyundai pair of Neuville & Sordo, hopefully next time Paddon will be more lucky and be able to fight @ the front 'till (and including) the last stage. Toyota have shown another solid performance considering the circumstances, not a bad debut for Lappi, and even though again Hanninen finally finished the rally without superrally rules, he still isn't anywhere near the top runners in terms of pace. However, it is still more than can be said on Stephane, honestly apart from him being french I still have no idea why he is in the 3rd Citroen seat & not Mikkelsen. Meeke again showed us his driving style makes him do silly mistakes, which are tbh costly mistakes both for him & for Citroen. I honestly don't know how they are going to retain the numbers 7-8-9 on their cars next year, I hope PSA won't pull the plug and if they do at least, I hope they bring back Peugeot. Breen as far as I'm concerned is their only glimmer of hope atm. Again he showed us just what he is made of, and when things went right for him on Friday he was among the quickest, another solid result for him. Imho, if Citroen will leave the WRC fold by 2018 I really hope that boy finds a seat in the championship as he deserves it.

[SubaruNorway]

Someone asked why Tanak didn't get any time back from SS7, no dust and passes Latvala at 16:10

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen fabia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXE5uWXYAETRVF.jpg

[stefanvv]

Fairplay from Neuville to honestly say Seb is just faster. No childish excuses, no sick ego, no hatred. You will never see that from Paddon for example.

He said the Ford is faster than Hyundai, not Ogier personally, so if he managed to beat two of them is counting for great success. His ego is HUGE.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAW_VfwXoAAnoUD.jpg

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvu-j8Brqkg :)

[dimviii]

Championships points
http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

[mknight]

Mikelsen just showed that noone was wrong for not putting him in unfamiliar car to fight for positions.

Yes he crashed when nothing was at stake. Just like Ogier did in Spain 2015. Neuville crashed out from clear lead twice this year remember?

Mikkelsen's overall "crash rate" is below average from the top drivers for last 2 years. As for fighting for positions, in Australia it was Ogier who made a mistake fighting for win with him. Ogier that had nothing to loose (and Ogier is arguably the most crash-free driver atm.), Mikkelsen had everything to loose at that point. No seat, low chances of getting one and only 2 rally wins, both of them partly handed to him.

So this comment of yours is just complete bs. Sure it was a mistake, that's about it.

[Mirek]

Someone asked why Tanak didn't get any time back from SS7, no dust and passes Latvala at 16:10

Probably because Nandan and Penasse are strong in lobbying...

[macebig]

Good work from Breen and Lappi.Thank God, Ogier stopped complaining and put his head down.This not the VW Seb.This is Ford.Keep your head down and try for the best.No comment for Meeke or Lefebvre.Evans and Tanak did a good work bringing the Fiestas home.A lot of problems for Paddon again.Not his year.Neuville didn't overpush and remained calm.Got the points, so he still has a chance.

[dimviii]

RallyingUK *
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Retweeted Jussi Jäkälä
LAPPI: Tommi Mäkinen confirms to @yleurheilu that @EsapekkaLappi will contest all remaining #WRC rounds in 2017 @TGR_WRC

[mknight]

Completely deserved. Faster than Hanninen on basically every stage (without issues). Ages ahead of Levfebre.

4th on power stage in his first WRC rally with every single WRC driver competing it!!

Also shows that Toyota is genuinely fast and it's not only Latvala's driving.

[Eli]

RallyingUK *

Retweeted Jussi Jäkälä
LAPPI: Tommi Mäkinen confirms to @yleurheilu that @EsapekkaLappi will contest all remaining #WRC rounds in 2017 @TGR_WRC
That's nice to hear he'll be joining them for the trip down under.

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[Kris82]

Thank you guys for another great rally coverage and commentary. I enjoyed reading through it.
Here's a link to a video from Gilbert's crash on the Fafe jump. Didn't see anyone post it. https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/866226984988356608

[SubaruNorway]

Probably because Nandan and Penasse are strong in lobbying...

Huh? Think you misunderstood, Tanak had no issues with dust.

[Mirek]

Huh? Think you misunderstood, Tanak had no issues with dust.

Sorry, yes I misunderstood. Shouldn't have watched ice hockey in the same time...

[dimviii]

Helge Gerdes‏*@HelgeGerdes
Wow. 661.83 vs. 668.04 kms of lead in #WRC between @MSportLtd & @HMSGOfficial; 38 vs 39 stage wins & 115 vs 103 top 3 times. Game on!

[AL14]

Finally Ogier is clearly fastest this year. King of Portugal no matter south or nord.
Fairplay from Neuville to honestly say Seb is just faster. No childish excuses, no sick ego, no hatred. You will never see that from Paddon for example.
Mikelsen just showed that noone was wrong for not putting him in unfamiliar car to fight for positions.

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[steve.mandzij]

https://media.tenor.co/images/a7017cee15b3ecf32544b6af881a2e2d/tenor.gif
Leave him, he's just N.O.T.'s henchman/servant.

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[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/LzVxu08dZog

[cambao97]

Andreas Mikkelsen Crash - Fafe
https://youtu.be/XRp_dTLjUdI

[steve.mandzij]

Andreas Mikkelsen Crash - Fafe
https://youtu.be/XRp_dTLjUdI
Strange. Couldn't he have continued?

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[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/QOtAgJALoCM

[AL14]

https://youtu.be/QOtAgJALoCM

This guys of WRCantabria are really great. Everytime an excellent job by them, congrats.

[janvanvurpa]

Strange. Couldn't he have continued?

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If he did then there is clear evidence that they are ON SS without the harnesses on.. They couldn't have time to buckle up..And that is serious penalty...

[dimviii]

Rally Trivia
Portugal 2017 is first #WRC event since Safari 2002 where no driver won consecutive stages
Thanks @rockollector for research

[SubaruNorway]

Strange. Couldn't he have continued?

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Hole in the radiator, you would think there was enough beer around in Fafe though! Road section was a bit long anyway.

[janvanvurpa]

Meeke and Paddon both spinning when they're not even on a push. Those two guys are going backwards.

I usually do when I spin...

[dimviii]

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[SubaruNorway]

If he did then there is clear evidence that they are ON SS without the harnesses on.. They couldn't have time to buckle up..And that is serious penalty...

That's a 1min penalty, still would have won.

[Rally Power]

Fantastic Rally de Portugal! Probably one of the best I’ve seen since ’82. I’m too tired for big analyses, just two thoughts: every fan must try to see ‘17 epic cars driven by today outstanding drivers on a WRC event. It’s a memorable experience and no one should condemn this or that driver for a mistake, before actually see how fast and wild the cars go. Overall, big congrats to Ogier, Ingrassia and MSport and a huge thanks to RdP organizers: viva o WRC, viva Portugal!

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAWmgC0UQAA7jGi.jpg

All works drivers have scored ps points. Although Hänninen and Lefebvre only through weather conditions...

[Daniel_hoy]

Argh, how does WRC+ still not allow Chromecasting......

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The strange thing is that they actually support chromecast, but only way to do it is if you use the browser on your phone. Then you will have the cast function.
Have stopped using WRC+ but was like that last year. To cast chrome browser window with a computer is also a solution, but not as good the original cast function.

[EstWRC]

Because im bored at work at the moment and we are basically half way through the season im making a little longer review.

Ogier: so the first time after Monte the champ had the car like he wants. Didnt hear him complain at all about the car or set-up. i was afraid when he gets things to his liking he would blitz the field and no one has a chance but it wasnt the case. Yes, he was fast and he won but it was more due to others having problems or making mistakes. Now it is much harder to beat him in the championship when he has things to his liking, the others have to try a lot more but it is far from over.

Tänak: Just watched the onboard comparison between Tänak and Ogier from stage 12. Before the mistake Tänak was 5 secs up on him. Very clean and nice driving from Tänak on that stage up to that little mistake but you dont need much to ruin your rally. After rally Tänak said that the set-up was the best he has had this season but the problem for him is still the understeer and because of that he already had couple of moments before and that mistake on SS12. They will have a 2 days test next week and he is trying to fix the understeer to not make silly mistakes again. So definitely theres even more speed to come from him this season. But he is being very honest and says that he just isnt good enough at the moment to win. His aim is TOP3 in the end of the season.

for those who havent seen Tänak's mistake it is here http://sport.err.ee/597196/video-kas-sinna-laks-voit-vaata-kuidas-tanak-vedrustuse-lohkus

Neuville: portugal isnt his favourite place but still a very good rally for him and great speed like always. Great power stage points again and will be giving Ogier a run for his money as long as he isnt making a mistake. Great battle ahead.

Latvala: like Tänak, ruined his rally with a silly mistake. Overall a very good season so far, still has a shot for the championship IF Toyota can keep it up with the others and he isnt making anymore mistakes. Definitely needs some wins to keep up the championship hopes But in reality i think he and Tänak will battle for the third place in WDC.

Sordo: quiet 3rd place IMO, he is going really well this season, great to see after so many fans have written him down.

Paddon: Shame about the problems, he was a real contender for the win IMO. Some breathtaking splits and stage times before his problems. i hope his luck returns for rest of the season and great to see that the speed has been back now for couple of rallies, but yeah, that rotten luck.

Breen: this guy never stops impressing, he is just progressing so nicely. for sure he is gonna have some podiums this season and big future ahead. I hope he will the best placed Citroen driver in the end of the season and i see no reason why he cant be if he continues like that.

Evans: has surprised me many times this season with his speed. but we will see how he goes on if the season progresses. The pattern with him every season is that he is very good in the beginning of the season at special rallies but when the championship returns to europe and to normal and faster gravel rallies then he tends to fade away.

Lappi: did exactly like i was expecting from him. Nothing special but not bad either. Great power stage! Will be interesting to see his progression through the season.

Havent got to say anything special about Meeke, Lefebvre, Hanninen and Ostberg other than Mads has also surprised me couple of times.


so half way through the season the TOP3 drivers i would have in my team are Ogier, Tänak and Neuville and what a team that would be!

[steve.mandzij]

Because im bored at work at the moment and we are basically half way through the season im making a little longer review.

Ogier: so the first time after Monte the champ had the car like he wants. Didnt hear him complain at all about the car or set-up. i was afraid when he gets things to his liking he would blitz the field and no one has a chance but it wasnt the case. Yes, he was fast and he won but it was more due to others having problems or making mistakes. Now it is much harder to beat him in the championship when he has things to his liking, the others have to try a lot more but it is far from over.

Tänak: Just watched the onboard comparison between Tänak and Ogier from stage 12. Before the mistake Tänak was 5 secs up on him. Very clean and nice driving from Tänak on that stage up to that little mistake but you dont need much to ruin your rally. After rally Tänak said that the set-up was the best he has had this season but the problem for him is still the understeer and because of that he already had couple of moments before and that mistake on SS12. They will have a 2 days test next week and he is trying to fix the understeer to not make silly mistakes again. So definitely theres even more speed to come from him this season. But he is being very honest and says that he just isnt good enough at the moment to win. His aim is TOP3 in the end of the season.

for those who havent seen Tänak's mistake it is here http://sport.err.ee/597196/video-kas-sinna-laks-voit-vaata-kuidas-tanak-vedrustuse-lohkus

Neuville: portugal isnt his favourite place but still a very good rally for him and great speed like always. Great power stage points again and will be giving Ogier a run for his money as long as he isnt making a mistake. Great battle ahead.

Latvala: like Tänak, ruined his rally with a silly mistake. Overall a very good season so far, still has a shot for the championship IF Toyota can keep it up with the others and he isnt making anymore mistakes. Definitely needs some wins to keep up the championship hopes But in reality i think he and Tänak will battle for the third place in WDC.

Sordo: quiet 3rd place IMO, he is going really well this season, great to see after so many fans have written him down.

Paddon: Shame about the problems, he was a real contender for the win IMO. Some breathtaking splits and stage times before his problems. i hope his luck returns for rest of the season and great to see that the speed has been back now for couple of rallies, but yeah, that rotten luck.

Breen: this guy never stops impressing, he is just progressing so nicely. for sure he is gonna have some podiums this season and big future ahead. I hope he will the best placed Citroen driver in the end of the season and i see no reason why he cant be if he continues like that.

Evans: has surprised me many times this season with his speed. but we will see how he goes on if the season progresses. The pattern with him every season is that he is very good in the beginning of the season at special rallies but when the championship returns to europe and to normal and faster gravel rallies then he tends to fade away.

Lappi: did exactly like i was expecting from him. Nothing special but not bad either. Great power stage! Will be interesting to see his progression through the season.

Havent got to say anything special about Meeke, Lefebvre, Hanninen and Ostberg other than Mads has also surprised me couple of times.


so half way through the season the TOP3 drivers i would have in my team are Ogier, Tänak and Neuville and what a team that would be!

I was about to ask about Tanak being in the team rather than Latvala, and then I remembered that Ogier and Latvala cannot be teammates.

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[AnttiL]

The strange thing is that they actually support chromecast, but only way to do it is if you use the browser on your phone. Then you will have the cast function.
Have stopped using WRC+ but was like that last year. To cast chrome browser window with a computer is also a solution, but not as good the original cast function.

My iOS WRC app has a cast button but I cannot change the play position (rewind/forward). I'm pretty sure I cast the Tour de Corse power stage stream through that as well as many highlight videos for sure

[MentalParadox]

Honestly, I'm beginning to think the reason Ogier always wins the championship is because of his consistency rather than speed. The silly mistakes you constantly see Latvala, Meeke and Neuville making? Ogier very rarely makes mistakes like that, and if he does, he's lucky enough to usually get away without serious damage or time lost. Even if Ogier doesn't win the rally, he is usually not far away, and scoring good points that sustain his lead.

He wins through sheer precision. His rivals do all the work for him, by crashing.

Imagine if Neuville hadn't thrown away his Monte and Sweden wins. He would have been leading the championship comfortably.

[Grundo Farb]

Paddon surprisingly positive at the finish.

Why not? When the car worked he was setting fastest stage times. When he was penalised by being second on the road he was still fast and didn't crash so why should he be down about his performance?

[AnttiL]

The silly mistakes you constantly see Latvala, Meeke and Neuville making? Ogier very rarely makes mistakes like that, and if he does, he's lucky enough to usually get away without serious damage or time lost.

This puzzles me, how is Ogier so lucky? Look at his season. In Monte he slid to a snowbank and run wide to a field and touched a bank - nothing happened. In Sweden and Mexico he spun. In Argentina he went again into a bank and also went wide off the road but nothing happened. Is it his driving style that saves him at these incidents?

Well, Neuville was also lucky in Argentina on his moment...

[stefanvv]

This puzzles me, how is Ogier so lucky? Look at his season. In Monte he slid to a snowbank and run wide to a field and touched a bank - nothing happened. In Sweden and Mexico he spun. In Argentina he went again into a bank and also went wide off the road but nothing happened. Is it his driving style that saves him at these incidents?

His offs are usually at low speed where he can afford to push the car little more than normal, except that off-road excursion in Argentina, but that seemed like a pace note problem rather than over the limit off, and the speed wasn't big there either. So yes, it is his pacenotes/driving which makes the difference.

[Eli]

Honestly, I'm beginning to think the reason Ogier always wins the championship is because of his consistency rather than speed. The silly mistakes you constantly see Latvala, Meeke and Neuville making? Ogier very rarely makes mistakes like that, and if he does, he's lucky enough to usually get away without serious damage or time lost. Even if Ogier doesn't win the rally, he is usually not far away, and scoring good points that sustain his lead.

He wins through sheer precision. His rivals do all the work for him, by crashing.

Imagine if Neuville hadn't thrown away his Monte and Sweden wins. He would have been leading the championship comfortably.
Couldn't have put it in to words better than that.

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[AnttiL]

Ogier knows how to avoid stones and other hazards, how to save tyres and overall knows when to push and when to take it carefully. That's why he is so good. And of course when he's pushing, he's faster than anyone. But he's also lucky.

[mknight]

His offs are usually at low speed where he can afford to push the car little more than normal, except that off-road excursion in Argentina, but that seemed like a pace note problem rather than over the limit off, and the speed wasn't big there either. So yes, it is his pacenotes/driving which makes the difference.

He even said it in Monte himself after running on the field. He knew that there was open field so he pushed a bit more and it was too much. In the Monte case he comes from the area but even on other rallies with mostly same stages every year and the endless hours they spend watching the onboards from previous years and/or recce these kind of things are possible.

Compare that with Meeke in Portugal who went wide on just about the single corner of the rally with large concrete blocks on the outside. Also while talking about it, Neuville had basically 3 big moments in Argentina (2 jumps - SS2 and SS4? (where meeke went off), and then SS10).

If Ogier keeps top3 speed for rest of the year he should have no problems to win the champ.

[Eli]

If Ogier keeps top3 speed for rest of the year he should have no problems to win the champ.

The question is, if he manages to win the WDC & the Manufacturer's title this year and Ford doesn't comeback, will he honestly leave M-Sport after all the development work this year?

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[Watson]

The question is, if he manages to win the WDC & the Manufacturer's title this year and Ford doesn't comeback, will he honestly leave M-Sport after all the development work this year?

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Tough call. Where is he gonna go anyway? I'm pretty sure Neuville wouldn't like to have his biggest rival in his own team, Latvala seems to have a real downer around Ogier plus Seb already ditched Toyota for M-Sport this year.

So we're left with Citroen who surely would like a competent Frenchman in the team. But they are having a nightmare and it would be at least as risky to bet on them building a challenging car for next year as M-Sport.

May I just add that if M-Sport wins even either of the titles and Ford don't come back they are batshit crazy anyway.

[AnttiL]

And to add to the equation that Citroen and Hyundai already have contracts for their current drivers for next year (apparently Toyota does not). Although I'm not sure if Citroen would put Lefebvre into a fourth car if Ogier would give them a call?

[EstWRC]

But if Ford isnt coming back then he will leave 100%. i wrote it already some pages back that Wilson said it clearly yesterday that they will survive this year but not next one if Ford doesnt come back and without Ford they cant afford keep Seb another year or years.


i havent watched the red bull TV review myself but i saw these quotes from autosport forum:

"His interview on red bull tv today was interesting though - would be a brave person who puts money on him staying at M sport next year
Basically said team are waiting on ford to decide whether to come back as full factory effort, if they don't he'll be off elsewhere as he needs to drive for a works team in 2018 "

[BigWorm]

Honestly, I'm beginning to think the reason Ogier always wins the championship is because of his consistency rather than speed. The silly mistakes you constantly see Latvala, Meeke and Neuville making? Ogier very rarely makes mistakes like that, and if he does, he's lucky enough to usually get away without serious damage or time lost. Even if Ogier doesn't win the rally, he is usually not far away, and scoring good points that sustain his lead.

He wins through sheer precision. His rivals do all the work for him, by crashing.

Imagine if Neuville hadn't thrown away his Monte and Sweden wins. He would have been leading the championship comfortably.

I don't think that's completely true. Yes he's very consistent, but he's incredibly quick as well. His records from 2013 prove that.

[Fitz]

When I was at the autosport chatting some m-sport guys said Red Bull pay his 7.5 million.
Seems possible?

They also said they redesigned the switches etc so it was like the Polo & moved the passenger footrest for Julienne. All of which was done over the Xmas break.

[Watson]

Basically said team are waiting on ford to decide whether to come back as full factory effort, if they don't he'll be off elsewhere as he needs to drive for a works team in 2018 "

That would just make it all the more crazy for Ford not to return though. M-Sport will have trouble to stay in contention in terms of development and they lose THE driver of the present. Ford still uses M-Sports efforts for publicity, the return on investment must look right if you consider how much more they could do as a full factory team.

But who knows. Business people are weird.

[dodge33cymru]

To play Devil's Advocate, at the moment they're getting the publicity without having to commit to a factory spending. What more are they going to get by spending an increased amount?

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[NickRally]

My first rally in more than 25 years (discounting a very minor event half way through) – I have to say utterly great experience. Granted, Wednesday was extremely frustrating due to all the wrong information I was fed by the organisers beforehand, but it all adds up to the character building and it was all part of the learning process, so even that was positive at the end of the day. On Thursday went to see the shakedown and the cars are simply superb, very cool, really liked them. It was also great to see how they handle from the stretch down to the jump and around the arena. Then back to the service park where luckily I got my photos, and in general genuinely enjoyed being able to see the cars up close. Then headed back to the airport, flew home and followed the rest of the rally on the net, which, as is usual these days, was very entertaining.

My impressions from the rally:
1. Positives:
- Very enthusiastic and well behaved fans
- Well organised stages
- Great atmosphere
2. Negatives:
- Service park can be in a bit more attractive location (plenty of these in Porto)
- At least on Thursday, no food stalls to speak of in the SD and SP areas :)

As I said, overall, a really great experience.

[Rally Power]

Honestly, I'm beginning to think the reason Ogier always wins the championship is because of his consistency rather than speed. The silly mistakes you constantly see Latvala, Meeke and Neuville making? Ogier very rarely makes mistakes like that, and if he does, he's lucky enough to usually get away without serious damage or time lost. Even if Ogier doesn't win the rally, he is usually not far away, and scoring good points that sustain his lead.
He wins through sheer precision. His rivals do all the work for him, by crashing.

Ogier is one step above the others and they made mistakes trying to reach his level, simple as that. His consistency comes from a top raw speed (a few others can be as fast as him but no one is faster), a more efficient driving style and a superior ability to know his and the car limits.

After the hard PET in Portugal he seems to be now totally confident on the car (no more need to overdrive like in MC or to get defensive like at Argentina) and on the stages everyone noticed he was on a wining mission. Tanak didn’t handle Ogier pressure at the beginning of the second leg, but that can’t be regarded as Ogier luck. With or without Tanak’s mistake the french would pass him and get a totally deserved win, just like he did.

Btw, I’m not even an Ogier fan.

[Tarmop]

It`s not that hard to be as fast as Ogier in Top6(?) and definitely there are faster drivers than him. Only problem is that others don`t have the consistency under pressure and thats why almost all the time Ogier beats them...also stability on all surfaces. And i can`t agree that without that mistake by Tänak Ogier would have certainly passed him in a honest duel. But that`s the part we aren`t going to know.

[EstWRC]

It`s not that hard to be as fast as Ogier in Top6(?) and definitely there are faster drivers than him. Only problem is that others don`t have the consistency under pressure and thats why almost all the time Ogier beats them...also stability on all surfaces. Also i can`t agree that without that mistake by Tänak Ogier would have certainly passed him in a honest duel. But that`s the part we won`t know.

exactly, we will never know this and i cant understand how someone can be so sure about it.

[Watson]

To play Devil's Advocate, at the moment they're getting the publicity without having to commit to a factory spending. What more are they going to get by spending an increased amount?

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My argument is that they would lose it all next year. The factory teams can do more to improve their cars with the bigger budgets and Ogier as it seems pretty surely would be gone. Tanak's contract is running out as well. So they might well not be in for the fight of any win (like they were for years before this season). Whereas if they start throwing up some money (not even a lot by a company like Ford's standards) they could be the ones to beat.

[Rally Power]

exactly, we will never know this and i cant understand how someone can be so sure about it.

You can think Tanak mistake was just bad luck, to me it came from Ogier pressure. If he didn't crash at SS12 he would probably do it later. It's not easy to have a 4 times WRC champion attacking you, stage after stage.

[Tarmop]

Yes, it may very well have been a mistake from pressure, but that`s rallying. There`s no point to overthink, what happened, happened and we can`t know what would have been, IF...
In RMC Tänak was threatened by Sordo and even Breen when running on three cylinders, he went mad on the last part of the PS (as we know, Sordo was past him in the middle) and in the end stayed on the podium, GB 2016, very tough again against Ogier...Poland 2016 against Mikkelsen (we can partially blame DMack`s weeker carcass in losing that one). Ogier himself has made mistakes under pressure, quite a lot actually but normally he has good luck, sometimes less luck ie. spins in Australia and Sweden in a fight for the win. Getting stuck in RMC also cost him valuable time, although Neuville made him a nice gift the following day.

[Mintexmemory]

You can think Tanak mistake was just bad luck, to me it came from Ogier pressure. If he didn't crash at SS12 he would probably do it later. It's not easy to have a 4 times WRC champion attacking you, stage after stage.

Absolutely agreed. Some people don't like Ogier's public persona but that shouldn't blind you to just how much better he is than the rest. The key issue about 'fastest' is that others might manage it for a stage or 2 but because they are on or over their limit they eventually break. At the same time Ogier (just as Loeb used to be) has something in reserve. So he goes off less and has less mechanical issues, while still being at any required pace.

[Tarmop]

I Also like Ogier and have nothing against this win but some of you talk like he`s not human (remember that MIB picture with Loeb :D) and tend to forgot that he also has made quite a few driver-errors more similar to a rookie recently.

[steve.mandzij]

(a few others can be as fast as him but no one is faster)
Disagree. Latvala, Neuville, Tänak, Meeke and even Paddon have been faster. Consistently mistake-less, not so much.


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[EstWRC]

You can think Tanak mistake was just bad luck, to me it came from Ogier pressure. If he didn't crash at SS12 he would probably do it later. It's not easy to have a 4 times WRC champion attacking you, stage after stage.

to be factual, it wasnt a crash and where did i say it was bad luck? i have openly admitted it was a mistake from him but it is just beyond me how you or anyone can be so sure it would had happened anyway.

it seems portugal winning the eurovision song contest has given you a real confidence boost. ;)

[Rally Power]

Besides Ogier and Tanak it’s also fair to talk about others drivers that made a fantastic show in Portugal (actually almost all manu drivers impressed me at the stages I’ve been; even Lefebvre a couple of times!). Sordo attacked since SS1, using a style and pace like we haven’t seen for a long time. Despite car problems, Paddon was amazing during leg one and it was great to have him at the top again. Lappi did a remarkable debut. He looked faster than Hanninen and improving every day. Despite second leg mistake, he was even more impressive on last day. Overall, 3 top 5 times are remarkable for a guy that was driving a ’17 WRC for the first time. Also a mention to Greensmith, Loubet, Astier, Solans and ours Pedro Antunes: some of them suffer problems, others didn’t finish, but they all showed a fantastic pace on this amazing rally. Great stuff, it'll be hard to wait a full year for next RdP!

[Rally Power]

to be factual, it wasnt a crash and where did i say it was bad luck? i have openly admitted it was a mistake from him but it is just beyond me how you or anyone can be so sure it would had happened anyway.
it seems portugal winning the eurovision song contest has given you a real confidence boost. ;)

Did we win eurovision?!? No over confidence EstWRC, just having rally past in mind. Like Sainz said on RBTV, things will come easier for Tanak after the first win!

[cali]

Did we win eurovision?!? No over confidence EstWRC, just having rally past in mind. Like Sainz said on RBTV, things will come easier for Tanak after the first win!
What's Eurovision? ;)

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[jparker]

I had great experience at Rally Portugal, and enjoyed every single moment, starting from Lousada SSS up to Fafe2.
Only issue for me was getting to spectators points, narrow unpaved twisting roads full of cars hours before the stage.
Well, with so many visitors I guess there is no other way around.
I have not been in Finland yet, but I think Portugal is the most crowded rally event. I have not seen so many people at rally event ever before.
Anyway, great experience, highly recommended for all rally fans.

[EstWRC]

Did we win eurovision?!? No over confidence EstWRC, just having rally past in mind. Like Sainz said on RBTV, things will come easier for Tanak after the first win!

lets hope it comes soon, im losing my patience :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I had great experience at Rally Portugal, and enjoyed every single moment, starting from Lousada SSS up to Fafe2.
Only issue for me was getting to spectators points, narrow unpaved twisting roads full of cars hours before the stage.
Well, with so many visitors I guess there is no other way around.
I have not been in Finland yet, but I think Portugal is the most crowded rally event. I have not seen so many people at rally event ever before.
Anyway, great experience, highly recommended for all rally fans.

Glad you enjoyed it watching a Ford win.

[jparker]

Glad you enjoyed it watching a Ford win.

No kidding. You should consider becoming my sponsor for the remaining WRC rounds.

[mknight]

My argument is that they would lose it all next year. The factory teams can do more to improve their cars with the bigger budgets and Ogier as it seems pretty surely would be gone. Tanak's contract is running out as well. So they might well not be in for the fight of any win (like they were for years before this season). Whereas if they start throwing up some money (not even a lot by a company like Ford's standards) they could be the ones to beat.

This is very important point.

When Fiesta WRC came in 2011 it was without a doubt as fast as DS3, most likely even faster. After all Latvala had more stage wins than Loeb and Hirvonen almost won the title. After a while M-sport just couldn't keep up with the development. First DS3 got better, then even Hyundai.

Imo it was most apparent last year, specifically looking at Østberg who was top 3-4 start of the season and was nowhere near in second half. Even when I am not his fan the drop was just too much.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No kidding. You should consider becoming my sponsor for the remaining WRC rounds.

No need. Now Ogier has got the Fiesta to his liking (after coming to the car so late) the wins will become regular.

[BigWorm]

Ogier is one step above the others and they made mistakes trying to reach his level, simple as that. His consistency comes from a top raw speed (a few others can be as fast as him but no one is faster), a more efficient driving style and a superior ability to know his and the car limits.

After the hard PET in Portugal he seems to be now totally confident on the car (no more need to overdrive like in MC or to get defensive like at Argentina) and on the stages everyone noticed he was on a wining mission. Tanak didn’t handle Ogier pressure at the beginning of the second leg, but that can’t be regarded as Ogier luck. With or without Tanak’s mistake the french would pass him and get a totally deserved win, just like he did.

Btw, I’m not even an Ogier fan.

Mikko Hirvonen described this himself, Ogier was the man to beat when Loeb quit. Hirvonen tried to catch him so he took more risks in 2013 to do that, but that's also why Hirvonen crashed a lot in 2013 compared to his previous seasons because he had to risk more. Ultimately, he couldn't manage it.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2017/jpo_50006-paddon-sb.jpg
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https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/36017-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2017/

[steve.mandzij]

Mikko Hirvonen described this himself, Ogier was the man to beat when Loeb quit. Hirvonen tried to catch him so he took more risks in 2013 to do that, but that's also why Hirvonen crashed a lot in 2013 compared to his previous seasons because he had to risk more. Ultimately, he couldn't manage it.
Speaking of Hirvonen, I hope Latvala doesn't end up like him :(

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[BigWorm]

Speaking of Hirvonen, I hope Latvala doesn't end up like him :(

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There are a few more rally wins to come for Latvala before he retires I think, his speed is good enough for that.

[steve.mandzij]

There are a few more rally wins to come for Latvala before he retires I think, his speed is good enough for that.
I don't mean in terms of rally wins, I mean that I'd rather not see him retire as the best driver to never have won a championship.

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[EstWRC]

Tänak https://twitter.com/estebanpelos/status/866710859002916864

[BigWorm]

I don't mean in terms of rally wins, I mean that I'd rather not see him retire as the best driver to never have won a championship.

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I think that is more of a probability than possibility. He's a very moody driver and harsh to himself when he has made mistake. He needs his selfconfidence to be high during the season to win it all, but it's too sensitive for that.

[dimviii]

Tänak https://twitter.com/estebanpelos/status/866710859002916864

Estonian flag was visible from far away I guess

[Lundefaret]

To play Devil's Advocate, at the moment they're getting the publicity without having to commit to a factory spending. What more are they going to get by spending an increased amount?

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Answer: Keeping Ogier

[Andre Oliveira]

I saw at least two Estonian flags here.

[dbrito26]

I saw at least two Estonian flags here.

I saw at least two Estonian guys in Baltar, at Shakedown.
I honked and gave them a thumbs up.

[steve.mandzij]

I saw at least two Estonian flags here.
In Argentina I remember seeing the only Paddon fan of the whole rally, NZ shirt-clad and taking his NZ flag around wherever he went. Saw him at Tanti and El Condor. Dedication :)

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[Simmi]

Hope everyone enjoyed the rally. Dusted myself down literally and back at home.

My pictures are here if anyone fancies flicking through: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157681106558073

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4199/34017441483_b7313cfbb6_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TQ1hcM)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TQ1hcM) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4223/34827387715_f06bc7a90e_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/V4zsZZ)1 (https://flic.kr/p/V4zsZZ) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4155/34694905881_f750a5929c_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/URSsLr)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/URSsLr) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4161/34694900761_0544038c95_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/URSrfa)10 (https://flic.kr/p/URSrfa) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAdTAXhXgAAeHbl.jpg

[dimviii]

My pictures are here if anyone fancies flicking through

excellent photos mate,congrats!

[Rally Power]

Fantastic shots Simmi! Apparently we were at the same spots on Friday and Sunday. Btw, what happened to crew 96?

[Simmi]

Fantastic shots Simmi! Apparently we were at the same spots on Friday and Sunday. Btw, what happened to crew 96?

Ahhh shame. Would have been nice to meet you my friend.

They came over the jump and on landing the car just veered into the bank. Ripped the entire wheel/strut off. Driver got out, seemed okay but then he went to his knees and laid down to wait for paramedics. I think someone told me he hurt his pelvis?

[Rally Power]

Likewise mate. Sorry to hear about Marco Reis, the R2 Fabia driver; hope he'll get well soon.

ZE9 at Caminha stage is magnificent, the river at one side, the ocean at the other and between a fantastic gravel road! Btw, no pics from the funny CR7 japanese fan (the one wearing Real Madrid full kit, a ball and a flag saying I Love Rally?...). If you return next year try also Cabeceiras de Basto stage, similar road to Vieira do Minho but a mind blowing landscape that worth every mile one has to walk.

[er88]

But if Ford isnt coming back then he will leave 100%. i wrote it already some pages back that Wilson said it clearly yesterday that they will survive this year but not next one if Ford doesnt come back and without Ford they cant afford keep Seb another year or years.


i havent watched the red bull TV review myself but i saw these quotes from autosport forum:

"His interview on red bull tv today was interesting though - would be a brave person who puts money on him staying at M sport next year
Basically said team are waiting on ford to decide whether to come back as full factory effort, if they don't he'll be off elsewhere as he needs to drive for a works team in 2018 "
Yep, I was watching that and he definitely said he'll be off if Ford don't return as he has to be in a manufacturer team. Even joked that he could stay at home in 2018 if that wasn't the case. I really hope Ford return, if they don't Ogier will leave and Tommi will offer Tanak millions to drive for Toyota next year. Msport would then be back to square one...

[steve.mandzij]

Yep, I was watching that and he definitely said he'll be off if Ford don't return as he has to be in a manufacturer team. Even joked that he could stay at home in 2018 if that wasn't the case. I really hope Ford return, if they don't Ogier will leave and Tommi will offer Tanak millions to drive for Toyota next year. Msport would then be back to square one...
Ogier leaving, you say?

Seriously though, as much as I'd enjoy Ogier retiring and seeing a new WDC by default, both I and the sport would miss him

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[Watson]

Ogier leaving, you say?

Seriously though, as much as I'd enjoy Ogier retiring and seeing a new WDC by default, both I and the sport would miss him

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Leaving as in joining another team. He says he doesn't feel old enough to retire yet.

[steve.mandzij]

Leaving as in joining another team. He says he doesn't feel old enough to retire yet.
I just really hope he isn't planning on beating Loeb's record. That would ruin the WRC again.

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[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2017/photos/vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2017/mes_portugal_31.jpg
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https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/36017-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2017/

[jparker]

After experiencing it myself and by looking at the pictures above, l can't stop worrying about those helicopters flying so low above so many people. Is this safe?

[cambao97]

Do you know why Ogier won the Rally? Here is the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eom-MNtvGUc

[GravelBen]

Do you know why Ogier won the Rally? Here is the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eom-MNtvGUc

Because he ran wide, missed the apex by a mile and brushed a tree on the next corner without hitting it hard enough to damage anything?

[Ctesibios]

Because he ran wide, missed the apex by a mile and brushed a tree on the next corner without hitting it hard enough to damage anything?
I believe what was meant is that Ogier is a master of car placement. To me, it is very much analog to Loeb. They are almost always at the right place at the right time. They are practically never the "victims" of misplaced rocks or other obstacles. To me again, this demonstrates a level of comprehension and execution of what is required win and dominate in rallying!

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[dimviii]

Do you know why Ogier won the Rally? Here is the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eom-MNtvGUc

lucky at this moment.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Helicopter - safety - safe? Yes it is.

[Rally Power]

Funny video by Raminhos, Portuguese Tv host and comedian, driven by Neuville at Fafe stage. He called it “the day I’ve almost lost the balls”!
https://youtu.be/EJaHgW_PqJ0?t=34

[Andre Oliveira]

"Better than sex, and no kids" lol

[marcosg]

funny pics gallery

https://www.facebook.com/pg/DoidosporRally/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1303721256391315

[dimviii]

hahahahahaha!!!

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/STUDIORphotographer/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1343861122376287

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18664303_1348944568534609_4982642975957114495_n.jp g?oh=34d4c299928877f06ff82724932d54d9&oe=59BF998C

https://www.facebook.com/pg/LaTulaSport.es/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10154469502420404

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[Rally Power]

Nice 'flat out' video by AVRacing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VVxuF_wk2s

[dimviii]

^^^amazing video,thank you.

[Rally Power]

Thanks to AVRacing guys. I believe they’re from Asturias. There’s always a huge number of spanish rally fans from Asturias and Galicia at RdP.

[stefanvv]

Nice 'flat out' video by AVRacing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VVxuF_wk2s

If there was a stone on the outside @3:24 it might not end well for Neuville. Lucky boy.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAvXLsUUQAA4CyQ.jpg

[EstWRC]

someone has uploaded an onboard of Tänak on SS2 if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjSJJn-DUc4

[Rally Power]

someone has uploaded an onboard of Tänak on SS2 if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjSJJn-DUc4

The same user posted other full stage onboards on his tube channel. Nice to watch!

[mknight]

Or you could say that he just stole WRC+ content ;)

At the time when WRC+ has free promo codes for every rally it's kind of sad tbh.

[Rally Power]

Or you could say that he just stole WRC+ content ;)
At the time when WRC+ has free promo codes for every rally it's kind of sad tbh.

If they're making it free then why don't they use Youtube and other social media to spread WRC contents? Using WRC+ would still be a plus for the hardcore fan but average Joe could get more coverage in a less complicated way...

[Franky]

If they're making it free then why don't they use Youtube and other social media to spread WRC contents? Using WRC+ would still be a plus for the hardcore fan but average Joe could get more coverage in a less complicated way...

You think that "average Joe" looks at full length onboards?

[AnttiL]

If they're making it free then why don't they use Youtube and other social media to spread WRC contents? Using WRC+ would still be a plus for the hardcore fan but average Joe could get more coverage in a less complicated way...
On the application they can advertise as much as they want.

[Rally Power]

You think that "average Joe" looks at full length onboards?

Probably only on a few occasions, like when he’s waiting for Mrs Average Joe to have her hair done…;)

Anyway, this one is simply great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOlWjkKKWog Amazing stage; fantastic driving!

[Rally Power]

Fantastic Dji's drone footage: https://youtu.be/x-pR2X09WQU

[Andre Oliveira]

Brutal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfTpjAlv5A

[Simmi]

Brutal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfTpjAlv5A

Very nice video. I don't think brutal is really the correct translation. Maybe something like breathtaking.

Are these guys accredited media or just fans with a great artistic eye and equipment? Is the footage being used anywhere else or just YouTube?

[mknight]

Brutal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfTpjAlv5A

Yes really nice. This is something that even my wife thinks looks good. Only small thing is whether there is too many slow-motions, but they fit quite well.
Also huge pluss for the "wide" shots where you see stuff around the car, but not too much and the car is still main focus.

I am totally tired of the last (10?) years obsession with cars filling 90+ of the frame. And just about as tired of close-in shots from the inside of a fast corner.

[SubaruNorway]

Yes really nice. This is something that even my wife thinks looks good. Only small thing is whether there is too many slow-motions, but they fit quite well.
Also huge pluss for the "wide" shots where you see stuff around the car, but not too much and the car is still main focus.

I am totally tired of the last (10?) years obsession with cars filling 90+ of the frame. And just about as tired of close-in shots from the inside of a fast corner.

That's because they are using a DSLR camera with no zoom, it's ok for this type of video but doesn't work so well for raw video's.

[AnttiL]

Brutal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfTpjAlv5A

A really nice video, cinematic, the filming style reminds me of old Group B videos.

But what bothers me is the the over-enthusiastic speaking, which sounds like it's made tongue in cheek, like it was from a South Park episode or if the footage would be from a box car race or something.

[Rally Power]

A really nice video, cinematic, the filming style reminds me of old Group B videos.

But what bothers me is the the over-enthusiastic speaking (...)

Ok, maybe a bit over enthusiastic but totally accurate when narrator says Rally de Portugal is the ‘most amazing rally in the world’; more than 1 million spectators can confirm it! ;)

Fantastic video; hats off to World Rally Media!