Wrc Rally Argentina 2017

[mknight]

1:38 at SS12 Ogier has quite some off-road excursion, slow speed but still.

[bluuford]

Great success indeed, this time at least un-rollable, maybe damaged the cage.:(

Seems like Meeke is in full playstation mode in 2017 year, it was his 7th crash in five rounds, including testing.. Now I know why they brought only two cars here, Meeke needed three of them for this event :P Hope he can take it more reasonably from now on..

[steve.mandzij]

Just back from the Service Park, what a frantic place! Latvala gave away his Toyota cap to some guy who gave him an Argentine flag with his family's name on it. At the same time, I waved, he waved back, and I almost peed from the excitement.

A couple of oddities: Citroën's tents were completely empty and void of people; their people were snooping around the Toyota garage. Also, Hyundai began giving away cans of Pringles and people went mad. Almost got trampled on my way out...

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[Kris82]

What a great and exciting rally.
Go Neuville.

Meeke fucks it up again... On the bright side...he didn't lose his diffuser. M-Sport should ask Citroen for some tips on how to mount it properly.

Meeke roll #2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-mzN77XkAAUMn0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-mzN73XYAQZ-vy.jpg

Now considering Meeke's involvement in development of Dirt Rally, I'm starting to understand why it's so easy to roll your car in the game.

[N.O.T]

Seems like Meeke is in full playstation mode in 2017 year, it was his 7th crash in five rounds, including testing.. Now I know why they brought only two cars here, Meeke needed three of them for this event :P Hope he can take it more reasonably from now on..

i want the arab team to pack up and get the hell out... pity for breen but thats life.

I prefer the french version of citroen and not the joke they present us with the last few years, and they should get that bloatfaced paper champ with them and let someone with a clue run toyota.

its sad because in testing the car looked ok.

[mknight]

Meeke's off is not in the highlights and the onboard is not on. Fearing it will end like Hanninen's 3rd day off in Corsica, no vids and no info.

Anyway the corner where it happened is at 4:20 on Neuville's onboard from same stage. Fast wide and smooth corner. Has to be different "setup issue" to blame on then. (Citroen's explanation of the SS4 one).

[A FONDO]

Meeke's off is not in the highlights and the onboard is not on. Fearing it will end like Hanninen's 3rd day off in Corsica, no vids and no info.

Anyway the corner where it happened is at 4:20 on Neuville's onboard from same stage. Fast wide and smooth corner. Has to be different "setup issue" to blame on then. (Citroen's explanation of the SS4 one).

Crashes should not be the first priority in 90 sec highlights. Especially when it's not the leader who crashed.

[cosmin_sb]

Does Citroen bring enough spare parts for Meeke? :)

[EstWRC]

Ogier little off, dunno on which stage this was https://twitter.com/MundoRallys/status/858592924422074368

[bluuford]

Ogier little off, dunno on which stage this was https://twitter.com/MundoRallys/status/858592924422074368

ss12

[bluuford]

Does Citroen bring enough spare parts for Meeke? :)
Meeke not restarting today, game over.

[wia5958]

Does Citroen bring enough spare parts for Meeke? :)

He was sent to test the durability of the roof skin lol

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/GD5tTv9rPMM

[Eli]

Meeke not restarting today, game over.

game over for both him & the team, hard to see them bounce back from last place in the champ. Meeke himself said, they will continue to develop the car for next year, hopefully they'll bring Mikkelsen (& replace Lefebvre) to help them regain at least one of the titles next year.

[bluuford]

game over for both him & the team, hard to see them bounce back from last place in the champ. Meeke himself said, they will continue to develop the car for next year, hopefully they'll bring Mikkelsen (& replace Lefebvre) to help them regain at least one of the titles next year.

However, I am not sure anymore if it is still game over, maybe I was wrong, initial news was that no more start, but it is not confirmed.
Edit: OK! He is not in the start list, so, It was right.

[dimviii]

new ones from 2nd crash

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-m15Q_V0AAsEiy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-m15Q4VoAA0Dhs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-mzN73XYAQZ-vy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-pNgdcXUAAulvj.jpg

[Eli]

However, I am not sure anymore if it is still game over, maybe I was wrong, initial news was that no more start, but it is not confirmed.
Check the start list for today.

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[stefanvv]

Check the start list for today.

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rally-base is showing this:

Starting order into Leg 3 Starting order not available yet. Publication Time: 04. 05. 2017 15:00 (20:00 CET)

That's a bit late I think.

[Eli]

rally-base is showing this:


That's a bit late I think.
As usual wrc.com can't be trusted.

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[stefanvv]

As usual wrc.com can't be trusted.

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Well I didn't know they have it. Must be something new this year.

[mknight]

The front left of that C3 doesn't look very nice.

The fall of Citroen is quite impressive tbh, from dominating for 10 years to not being able to compete with VW to now being clearly last in manufacturers even against newcomer Toyota who has basically 1 driver.

At least the C3 doesn't seem far back in terms of speed, one then has to question their driver policy.

[Simmi]

The fall of Citroen is quite impressive tbh, from dominating for 10 years to not being able to compete with VW to now being clearly last in manufacturers even against newcomer Toyota who has basically 1 driver.

At least the C3 doesn't seem far back in terms of speed, one then has to question their driver policy.

Yeah that policy of having the best driver in the world in their car really did work I guess. Their new policy of not having that = less successful.

In fairness they did basically give up on the WRC for a few years ('14/'15/'16).

[Eli]

Yeah that policy of having the best driver in the world in their car really did work I guess. Their new policy of not having that = less successful.

In fairness they did basically give up on the WRC for a few years ('14/'15/'16).
Also '13, transition year towards the WTCC.

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[A FONDO]

They truly deserve all that misery after they expelled Ogier.

[Simmi]

Also '13, transition year towards the WTCC.

Maybe. You don't think they thought they were going to win the title with Hirvonen going into that season?

Still makes me laugh that VW's entire stated aim for 2013 was to 'fight for podiums'.

[mknight]

And then Citroen spend most of 2016 preparing for this year. Isn't working out very well.

After VW quit they could push hard for Ogier, tbh it didn't seem they were that much interested. Certainly from Matton's comments, and they were not interested at all in the other two.

Then again just two days ago I could read on this very thread how Meeke is the fastest driver in WRC, oh well.

[itix]

To be fair... They haven't really had a great driver for a while. Loeb left and they only got Hirvonen who was on his way out both in form and in sprit.

There were hopes that Meeke had stopped crashing but those have been thoroughly crushed.

[bassist]

i said i wasn't going to watch Kris for the remainder of the season. Such a bloody shame again- looks like they were both ok though. If he's out of contract at the end of this season, unfortunately I think it's 'party over'.
Anyone predict any national UK hotshots coming behind these boys?

[mknight]

Agree, but it again goes down to november last year. Link to the comments at that time:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126956/?_ga=1.146963447.1577377818.1478205931


Matton told Autosport: "I have the driver line-up for next year."

"All I will say is that if Sebastien Ogier gives me a call I will answer and we will have a chat, but there's no question about changing my driver line-up for next season."

"I would not say I would not take the call from Jari-Matti Latvala or Andreas Mikkelsen, of course I will - I am a polite guy!

"But the story is different for them: they are not French and they don't have the world title."

[stefanvv]

Then again just two days ago I could read on this very thread how Meeke is the fastest driver in WRC, oh well.

Fastest no, but one of the trio Ogier, him & Neuville. However his problem is not the speed, he has to manage it somehow though, even risking to be slightly slower, that would pay off much more than pure speed.

[Eli]

i said i wasn't going to watch Kris for the remainder of the season. Such a bloody shame again- looks like they were both ok though. If he's out of contract at the end of this season, unfortunately I think it's 'party over'.
Anyone predict any national UK hotshots coming behind these boys?
Craig Breen if he can get his car intact for the remainder of the season.

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[SubaruNorway]

They truly deserve all that misery after they expelled Ogier.

I think Ogier showed himself the door when he says it's justice in the sport when his team mate has a puncture :p

[bassist]

Craig Breen if he can get his car intact for the remainder of the season.

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I meant those outside the ranks of WRC currently.eg someone like Osian Pryce.

[EstWRC]

Agree, but it again goes down to november last year. Link to the comments at that time:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126956/?_ga=1.146963447.1577377818.1478205931


Matton told Autosport: "I have the driver line-up for next year."

"All I will say is that if Sebastien Ogier gives me a call I will answer and we will have a chat, but there's no question about changing my driver line-up for next season."

"I would not say I would not take the call from Jari-Matti Latvala or Andreas Mikkelsen, of course I will - I am a polite guy!

"But the story is different for them: they are not French and they don't have the world title."

this sounded so EGO to me back then and sounds even more now and man how it hurts them...they should have cancelled Lefebvres contract and got Latvala or Mikkelsen...

Meeke will never get consistent, he just doesnt seem to learn but at least he is fast. Already before the rally he told Becsy in an interview that he will go flat out and i was like this isnt ending well. This isnt a rally where you go flat out all the time and now to crash 2 times in a rally.

Breen is great talent and future and he is rightfully in the team.

But they need someone instead of Lefebvre and they need someone fast.

[AL14]

this sounded so EGO to me back then and sounds even more now and man how it hurts them...they should have cancelled Lefebvres contract and got Latvala or Mikkelsen...

Meeke will never get consistent, he just doesnt seem to learn but at least he is fast. Already before the rally he told Becsy in an interview that he will go flat out and i was like this isnt ending well. This isnt a rally where you go flat out all the time and now to crash 2 times in a rally.

Breen is great talent and future and he is rightfully in the team.

But they need someone instead of Lefebvre and they need someone fast.

AAAhh the french... if they were not french they would be awesome!
(just kidding french friends :) Matton is belgian)

[mknight]

I was almost as much shocked about the part where he is not really that interested in Ogier.

Anyway at that point Breen and Lefevbre seemed pretty evenly matched.

[Duvel]

this sounded so EGO to me back then and sounds even more now and man how it hurts them...they should have cancelled Lefebvres contract and got Latvala or Mikkelsen...

Meeke will never get consistent, he just doesnt seem to learn but at least he is fast. Already before the rally he told Becsy in an interview that he will go flat out and i was like this isnt ending well. This isnt a rally where you go flat out all the time and now to crash 2 times in a rally.

Breen is great talent and future and he is rightfully in the team.

But they need someone instead of Lefebvre and they need someone fast.

I totaly agree whit your post.

Lefebvre out, Mikkelsen in. Breen getting more expieriance for all wrc rounds, could mean he'll be a victory contender in 2018.

I think Neuville can be as fast as Meeke (was in the past) here in Argentinia, but he's doing whats needed here it seems. Driving fast, but not on the limit, would be cool if he can win this one! (Evans would be a great winner also)

[Mirek]

To be fair... They haven't really had a great driver for a while. Loeb left and they only got Hirvonen who was on his way out both in form and in sprit.

They chose their drivers themselves And it's all fair to blame their management for bringing the team to the situation in which it is now.

[Simmi]

Agree, but it again goes down to november last year. Link to the comments at that time:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126956/?_ga=1.146963447.1577377818.1478205931


Matton told Autosport: "I have the driver line-up for next year."

"All I will say is that if Sebastien Ogier gives me a call I will answer and we will have a chat, but there's no question about changing my driver line-up for next season."

"I would not say I would not take the call from Jari-Matti Latvala or Andreas Mikkelsen, of course I will - I am a polite guy!

"But the story is different for them: they are not French and they don't have the world title."

These comments don't look great with the benefit of hindsight. To Matton's credit I'd prefer he was loyal to his contracted drivers. To sign them up on two-year deals and immediately bin one of them off to accommodate Ogier might have made cold business sense - but sometimes you need to be about more than that. For sure he'd have been criticised if he'd done that too. So you can't win.

Only real criticism you can aim to Citroen is not taking a Suninen or a Tidemand at the time. Or fighting harder for Lappi and Evans. Maybe two-year deals for Breen/Lefebvre were over generous? Time will tell. But from then on Citroen were scrambling to sort out three cars (again their conservative mistake). Then you have a rich backer who wants a shot in the fourth car when it arrives (Al Qassimi). Difficult situation for them.

Also difficult to defend Meeke. He's raised his level but the crashes have remained. All I'll say is Citroen's general situation would have been a lot worse if not for him, his speed and his wins.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p24c4XkAE-Lav.jpg

[Mirek]

wow

[EstWRC]

holy shit!

[dimviii]

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/1854581819496310154797446868952149929070988489124n .jpg
https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/13316618119449101547974469039528479350442316101517 n.jpg

[aykutbilir]

Meeke has to bent from rallying really.
There is thick line being fast and being stupid.


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[bassist]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p24c4XkAE-Lav.jpg

Is that the 'off'???

[Simmi]

Need to see that video. Looks like it's been dropped out of a helicopter!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job the roll cage was ok after his first crash. Shows why its so important to be checked properly.

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport‏
#Tyre info: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5 for the final day of @rallyargentina

DMACK Tyres‏
Good morning from @rallyargentina . Service done and the strategy is simple this morning...

[AnttiL]

So many possible Power Stage winners today, basically anyone still running could take 5 points

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18216429_758488097655869_3442891823610142053_o.jpg ?oh=3c84adb577504ebcc75844516d6998d5&oe=59C2CA4C
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18156754_758134831024529_4193974252287702993_o.jpg ?oh=d4c68b4d65fa61febdef601c9e287088&oe=598845FE
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18156571_758133691024643_7645648805570660175_o.jpg ?oh=3423f5eecc0c93f201fe52543a5a1a7f&oe=598F5198
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18192660_758132531024759_5421515112508540144_o.jpg ?oh=2c46a4f242fbf8181f52433cfd00d196&oe=59BC6A3D
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18192609_758131531024859_6071359049558509303_o.jpg ?oh=629d923aad8ad6ed490d09885d84ae36&oe=59928DC4

[KKS]

I think Ogier showed himself the door when he says it's justice in the sport when his team mate has a puncture :p
Totally agree, and btw Ogier didn't change his mind since... so he still that not good guy as he be 6 years(or so) ago.

[Duvel]

So many possible Power Stage winners today, basically anyone still running could take 5 points

Would be suprised if Bertelli takes the win though...
My money is on Ogier!

[Duvel]

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/1854581819496310154797446868952149929070988489124n .jpg
https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/13316618119449101547974469039528479350442316101517 n.jpg

I would laugh if the drone get's hit!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville hurt his neck yesterday on a big compression... wonder if it'll effect him today.

[USER47]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p24c4XkAE-Lav.jpg
Could you share the link to the video?

[itix]

They chose their drivers themselves And it's all fair to blame their management for bringing the team to the situation in which it is now.
I didn't say otherwise... Just stating that it wasn't really a slump in team form. Drivers and the driver market is dynamic and sometimes very much a lucky guessing game.

[Lundefaret]

Could you share the link to the video?

Is this real, or is it Photoshop?

[AL14]

Would have been nice for a RedBull advertising.

"RedBull gives you wings"

[mknight]

There is no reason to suspect that it's photoshoped. It's 150kph corner, the car is only some 1.5-2m meters in the air and seems to have gotten there due to the small hill on the left. It's just the background that makes it look a bit more dramatic.

Tommi got similar height there in 2002 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvnvfWlwqc (last roll after the front hit)

[AnttiL]

Would be suprised if Bertelli takes the win though...

Hehe, true. But Ogier, Tänak, Evans, Østberg, Neuville, Sordo, Paddon and Latvala have all been fast. And why not Breen, nothing to lose although he didn't really show speed first day. And then there is Hänninen...well he can have bursts of speed after being constantly slowest works driver, although it seems unlikely in this rally.

[Eli]

Hehe, true. But Ogier, Tänak, Evans, Østberg, Neuville, Sordo, Paddon and Latvala have all been fast. And why not Breen, nothing to lose although he didn't really show speed first day. And then there is Hänninen...well he can have bursts of speed after being constantly slowest works driver, although it seems unlikely in this rally.
Don't forget it's Breen's first visit to south America & yesterday he missed out on a lot of experience for next year.. Shame really, as he's contributed most of the points Citroën's got.

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[stefanvv]

Would be nice if RBMH shows the 2 El Condor passes today.

[dimviii]

Could you share the link to the video?

I just found this photo at twitter.

[Watson]

Power Stage will be interesting but i'm mostly psyched about the fight between Evans and Neuville. Evans should be able to keep Neuville behind with his car fully fixed judging by the previous days but you never know. Either might lose their nerves and have a moment if they both push a lot. Evans should be more free to go hard since M-Sport look like they will have two cars on the podium anyway.

[Simmi]

Interesting day starts now. Come on Elfyn!!!!

[KKS]

Would be nice if RBMH shows the 2 El Condor passes today.
RBMH don't show anything else what official WRC promoter show. They only receive signal from wrc.

[Simmi]

RBMH don't show anything else what official WRC promoter show. They only receive signal from wrc.

They are one in the same.

[mknight]

Narrow twisty stages have been dominated by Hyundai this year. I expect them on top of the power stage. Evans result will depend on the tires more than ever.

[KKS]

One split for this stages is rubbish!

[Rally Power]

Agree, but it again goes down to november last year. Link to the comments at that time:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126956/?_ga=1.146963447.1577377818.1478205931
Matton told Autosport: "I have the driver line-up for next year."
"All I will say is that if Sebastien Ogier gives me a call I will answer and we will have a chat, but there's no question about changing my driver line-up for next season."
"I would not say I would not take the call from Jari-Matti Latvala or Andreas Mikkelsen, of course I will - I am a polite guy!
"But the story is different for them: they are not French and they don't have the world title."

We don’t know how much Ogier would cost to Citroen and I wouldn’t be surprised to know that Citroen’s budget is the lowest of all WRC teams (including MSport; I know you won’t agree Eddie…). During ’16 Matton said several times he was interested in Neuville and in same occasions the Belgium didn’t look happy on the Korean team: why didn’t Matton catch him? Probably he wasn’t able to match Hyundai numbers and, most likely, the same happened with Ogier.

We also don’t know if Mikkelsen wouldn’t crash at the wheel of the C3 if, like Meeke is, he was fighting with main rivals for victory. It may sound basic or stupid, but I see the new cars as wild horses: they need to be properly tamed in order to deliver their full potential. Who knows, maybe the C3 is the one with largest potential and the hardest to tame…either way, we shouldn't be too harsh on the rider for trying the best he knows!

[stefanvv]

Looks like Sordo did really good stage.

[KKS]

Sordo's pace as 1st on the road now quickest... it's raining here? Or what cause that?

[bluuford]

Saving tyres, no cleaning, sunny, Ott going faster

[KKS]

why no cleaning? this is first run of stage, or it have some just specific road?

[stefanvv]

Neuville slower than Tanak, unexpected.

[bluuford]

Neuville slower than Tanak, unexpected.

Road surface is really compact, like concrete. Neuville is slightly faster later on

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Come on Elfyn !!

[KKS]

Evans split not good for victory fighting

[KKS]

uuuhh fantastic time by Ott!!!

[stefanvv]

Tanak is the man.

[EstWRC]

Go Tänak!

[bugwrx]

Ott clearly on a mission

[EstWRC]

Neuville just 1.3 slower

[KKS]

And that TV idiots streaming this stage aswell, but not sharing with all world....

[dimviii]

Evans +2,5 sec from Neuville
gap now 9 sec

[EstWRC]

and brake issue for Evans, Neuville is gonan take it im gonna say

[Simmi]

Evans has done well to limit losses there with brake issues. Hopefully it's sorted for the next two. All we want is an even fight.

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Brake probs for @ElfynEvans , no brake pedal for first half of the stage but amazing he only drops 2.5s to Neuville

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not a bad time for Evans considering...

[bassist]

9 seconds! Going to be tight! But I think Neuville is going to nick it.

[BigWorm]

Nail biting stuff

[SubaruNorway]

Where did Meeke go off in SS14? Can't see him in Tideman's onboard

[KKS]

Next stage was harder for cars... not good news for Evans.

[abxyz]

Nice time from Breen

[bluuford]

Next is at least uphill, no need to slow down

[EstWRC]

nice time Breen, he really is a great talent!

[KKS]

we never know what fall down next on this Fiesta's

[mknight]

Where did Meeke go off in SS14? Can't see him in Tideman's onboard

You can see a bit of the car at 4:40 on Tidemands vid. It matches with the GPS position and also with all the people moving that way on Tidemands vid.

There are some small marks on the road at 4:37 but thats all.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-qZT32XkAAgPnm.jpg

[Rally Power]

3 guys still on the fight and it seem it’ll be decided only on last stage. Great for the sport!

[seb_sh]

Yes, great rally almost every stage something interesting happened, and now we have a fight for the win down to the power stage, great stuff!

Please let's focus on this instead of cliche's like team orders/driver lineups/bashing drivers/Mikkelsen deserved a seat/etc. I had to skip pages and pages of nonsense, I expect better from this forum.

[Gregor-y]

WRC radio doesn't seem to start for another 40 minutes. It's nice to be in a similar time zone as the rally for a change.

Well, I'm two hours ahead so I guess they were just playing music and 'local time' was Argentina time and not calculated from my location.

[abxyz]

WRC radio doesn't seem to start for another 40 minutes. It's nice to be in a similar time zone as the rally for a change.

Seems to only work with direct link http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html

[KKS]

Seems to only work with direct link http://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html
And more directed direct link :D
http://wrcaudio-lh.akamaihd.net/i/wrc_radio_eng_1@308396/index_128_a-p.m3u8?sd=6&rebase=on works in VLC or so

[KKS]

and gere we go, Sordo now start SS17

[AL14]

Whatching splits where Hanninen is slower than Bertelli is making my eyes bleed

[KKS]

Another stage for Sordo with good pace!

[itix]

Whatching splits where Hanninen is slower than Bertelli is making my eyes bleed
Mine too. He has no excuses anymore.

[stefanvv]

That's quite a pace for Bertelli. Never thought I would say that.

[mknight]

Whatching splits where Hanninen is slower than Bertelli is making my eyes bleed

Actually that would be following the order of his boss. "Main priority is to finish and collect data" for all cars, that's what Tommi said in a recent press release.

[USER47]

Bertelli stopped it seems...

[AnttiL]

Whatching splits where Hanninen is slower than Bertelli is making my eyes bleed

And Hänninen has not even reported of technical problems today...

[Watson]

Actually that would be following the order of his boss. "Main priority is to finish and collect data" for all cars, that's what Tommi said in a recent press release.
Well, fair enough but if he is going low risk he is crashing way too often.

[AL14]

Actually that would be following the order of his boss. "Main priority is to finish and collect data" for all cars, that's what Tommi said in a recent press release.

He should still be fastest... Anyway Bertelli is stopped. My eyes can recover.

[MikeD]

And Hänninen has not even reported of technical problems today...

In my book, Hänninen is the slowest driver ever to have a factory seat in the WRC, as long as I have followed the sport. He is pathetic!

[itix]

Now that Bertelli stopped in the stage, we won't get a conclusion to his and Hänninens "exciting" battle.

[EightGear]

Ogier saving his tyres for the PS I think.

[AL14]

Ogier clever is preserving tires. Latvala seems is pushing but I see no reason

[stefanvv]

Latvala might surprise us

[EightGear]

Neuville pushing!

[Simmi]

Wow. Hayden totally lost today. These new cars seem like day to day propositions in terms of the setup.

[EightGear]

Evans keeping up.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Go Elfyn !!

[stefanvv]

there is the fight

[KKS]

Battle battle! Evans just 0.2 slower on 1st split

[itix]

Evans also pushing. 0.2 advantage to Neuville 1st split

[AL14]

Evans driving the stages of his life

[TWRC]

In my book, Hänninen is the slowest driver ever to have a factory seat in the WRC, as long as I have followed the sport. He is pathetic!
I don't know how long have you been following, but slowest ever? Those honours should go to drivers like Katsuhiko Taguchi, al-Quassimi, etc... Hänninen was not IRC, ERC and SWRC champion by accident.

[EightGear]

Tanak can forget it now

[itix]

24 seconds faster than his teammate 2nd split... Neuville sure is pushing. Don't bin it now

[AL14]

In my book, Hänninen is the slowest driver ever to have a factory seat in the WRC, as long as I have followed the sport. He is pathetic!

Also there is no reason to insult him. He is struggling doesn't mean he is pathetic. Have you achieved something in international level you unrespectful person?

[itix]

2.6 advantage Neuville

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Keep fighting Evo !

[MikeD]

Also there is no reason to insult him. He is struggling doesn't mean he is pathetic. Have you achieved something in international level you unrespectful person?

Easy now, little kid. Hänninen is pathetic. He is being beaten by a part-time pay-driver like Bertelli. Now go and ask your parents if you are even allowed to use their PC!

[AnttiL]

Wow. Hayden totally lost today. These new cars seem like day to day propositions in terms of the setup.

He said he has only RWD

And Hänninen said there's again engine temp problems

[Simmi]

He said he has only RWD

He didn't - he said it felt like it was rear wheel drive but it wasn't actually. A lot of people misheard him I think.

[BigWorm]

Some stage by Neuville that, come on!!

[Eli]

He said he has only RWD
He said that the car felt like it has RWD... Disappointing rally for him, & of course the Citroëns... Hopefully they'll be able to bounce back next time out in Portugal...

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[abxyz]

Jesus christ

[EightGear]

Easy now, little kid. Hänninen is pathetic. He is being beaten by a part-time pay-driver like Bertelli. Now go and ask your parents if you are even allowed to use their PC!
Well last time I checked Bertelli crashed and was behind Hanninen anyway before that. Good facts you are serving.

[stefanvv]

Mistake by Evans?

[dimviii]

now 0,6 sec the gap.Neuville will win.

[USER47]

Neuville got this now...

[BigWorm]

+0.6! Down to the wire, come on Thierry!

[EstWRC]

Neuville the man!

[N.O.T]

HOLY &^%%&%& *(&(*&)(&*) )(*)(*)(*)(+_)+_(*&*&%&^&^&^(*)_(_))(+_)+(_(*)_(_

I think we have a fight girls !!!!!!

[KKS]

Uhhhh what a times.... what a times!

And problem for Evans... aaaashit

[cosmin_sb]

wow..0.6s the different between the first two drivers

[EightGear]

Lol another Fiesta breaking down?

[itix]

Evans lost 8.4 seconds? Really?

[N.O.T]

now 0,6 sec the gap.Neuville will win.

like in sweden and monte ?

[Simmi]

That car isn't 100% :(

[Eli]

Evans lost 7.4 seconds? Really?
What happened?? Unfortunately I don't have radio access...:(

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[Rallyper]

That´s a fight. Can´t wait!!!

[mknight]

Lol another Fiesta breaking down?

Note that this rally Hyundais have been breaking down about as often (Paddon, Sordo, Neuville with gearbox etc). Yet it gets nowhere near the attention the Fords get for some reason.Similarly Toyota also with issues every second stage for Hanninen.

[dimviii]

Sun 11:40 - SS17: Evans
8.4sec slower than Neuville here and his rally lead is down to 0.6sec! "More problems in here again, I've got to go," he says before driving off.

[itix]

Looks bleak for Evans... Even if it is something simple to fix, Neuville has shown superior speed.

...unless Evans pulls a Paddon out of the bag.

[EstWRC]

Tänak and Evans both stopped now on the way to the stage, Tänak trying to help i think like he did in Corsica for Ogier. Ogier was there too but left now

[dimviii]

Meeke 2nd accident was again at a high speed compression
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTgzxd0gx3m/

[N.O.T]

Meeke 2nd accident was again at a high speed compression
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTgzxd0gx3m/

arab suspension technology...

[KKS]

Tanak must have a flashback from Poland now....

Looks like it's DMacks style to run this things around

[wrc2017]

And then Citroen spend most of 2016 preparing for this year. Isn't working out very well.

After VW quit they could push hard for Ogier, tbh it didn't seem they were that much interested. Certainly from Matton's comments, and they were not interested at all in the other two.

Then again just two days ago I could read on this very thread how Meeke is the fastest driver in WRC, oh well.

OK he made a mistake. But this happens. What did you want him to do? He set 2 fastest times straight of the box on Day2, after Day 1 accident. Not many drivers have that level of determination/ability. The overall result was over. The team boss accepted Day 1 was a 'car issue'. Just glad boys are OK.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

. If his car is ok he will take on Neuville.

What did I say.. :(

[jparker]

Note that this rally Hyundais have been breaking down about as often (Paddon, Sordo, Neuville with gearbox etc). Yet it gets nowhere near the attention the Fords get for some reason.Similarly Toyota also with issues every second stage for Hanninen.

Probably because too many people here are glorifying Ford for no apparent reason. They are leading the Manu championship because other teams can't get their staff together.

[itix]

Meeke 2nd accident was again at a high speed compression
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTgzxd0gx3m/
Meeke really need to start putting these things in his notes.

Occasionally I hear things like caution or watch in his notes but it seems he's missing some crucial ones.

The C3 is obviously sensitive to bumps. Maybe they have to run hard compression settings on their dampers to make the car grip?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's advantage @ElfynEvans, but that advantage is now just 0.6 seconds! He's in contact with the team and won't give up without a fight ! #WRC https://t.co/uI4puiaDoW

[lnvs]

Meeke 2nd accident was again at a high speed compression
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTgzxd0gx3m/
Compression?? He is just running wide to the bank. :rolleyes:

[KKS]

no regroup before PS?

[itix]

Probably because too many people here are glorifying Ford for no apparent reason. They are leading the Manu championship because other teams can't get their staff together.
Unless you have something constructive to add, keep your anti Ford bias to yourself.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Probably because too many people here are glorifying Ford for no apparent reason. They are leading the Manu championship because other teams can't get their staff together.

No, people like you criticise them for no apparent reason.

[Francis44]

Compression?? He is just running wide to the bank. :rolleyes:

Looks like that to me aswell. Way too fast for the corner and wide on the outside, the suspension does look shady but the mistake was made way before touching the outside of the road.

[Mintexmemory]

Just to remind everyone - one false move from Neuville and it's Ford 1-2-3.... not bad for such poor reliability!

[jparker]

No, people like you criticise them for no apparent reason.

Do you want me to count your Ford+ posts, compared to my Ford- posts?

[stefanvv]

Compression?? He is just running wide to the bank. :rolleyes:

Yeap, clearly out of the road.

[Watson]

Tänak and Evans both stopped now on the way to the stage, Tänak trying to help i think like he did in Corsica for Ogier. Ogier was there too but left now
What a nice and competent bloke he is.

[stefanvv]

Just to remind everyone - one false move from Neuville and it's Ford 1-2-3.... not bad for such poor reliability!

It's not bad at all now either, 3 Fords in top 4.

[AL14]

Easy now, little kid. Hänninen is pathetic. He is being beaten by a part-time pay-driver like Bertelli. Now go and ask your parents if you are even allowed to use their PC!

Beware, only Dear Leader can call others kids.

[wrc2017]

Yeap, clearly out of the road.

car was very nervours upto that.. either he was looking for the apex and missed it, or was slightly offline onto the gravel and under steered.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Do you want me to count your Ford+ posts, compared to my Ford- posts?

Support is allowed, and it isnt 'glorifying'.

And I also support other drivers and give credit where its due.

[stefanvv]

SUN 11:55 - EVANS UPDATEEn route to the regroup after stopping to change his tyres. No sign of any mechanical work being carried out. We understand his car was overheating in the tight and twisty SS17.

[jparker]

Just to remind everyone - one false move from Neuville and it's Ford 1-2-3.... not bad for such poor reliability!

Very true. Other teams should learn team strategy from M-Sport. What's the poit to have best of everything if you can't take advantage of it.

[mknight]

Compression?? He is just running wide to the bank. :rolleyes:

I'd call that the main issue yes. Too fast and too wide, rear left touches and that moves weight (maybe with power or brakes as well) on front right, which hits the only small hole anywhere on that road.

[stefanvv]

Very true. Other teams should learn team strategy from M-Sport. What's the poit to have best of everything if you can't take advantage of it.

:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke crash on the live stage coverage - 14 rolls !!

[A FONDO]

Share an ace stream please

[seb_sh]

Meeke crash on the live stage coverage - 14 rolls !!

Must be some kind of record!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke OB crash https://www.instagram.com/p/BTgzxd0gx3m/

[AL14]

Must be some kind of record!

I think Latvala in Portugal 2009 is still "leading" :)

[stefanvv]

Must be some kind of record!

All credits to the car for that. It has good round shape.

[Frostmourne]

arab suspension technology...

You blaming Arabs now for Meeke rolls?

Anyway, no need to argue with you.. everybody knows who you are...

On another note, can anyone share a link for the PowerStage

[eddy707]

Share an ace stream please

http://livetv.sx/enx/eventinfo/524790_rally_argentina/
Don't know about ace stream, but can watch it here. Tested one link and it worked

[dimviii]

Lorenzo Bertelli
Gearbox problems, our @rallyargentina is over


Michelin Motorsport‏
In 2011, only 0.5 sec between @SebOgier and @JariMattiWRC at the start of the final stage #wrc #RallyArgentina

[AL14]

Those interviews are causing eyes bleeding again.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-q7FAHWsAAPKSR.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Twisty start but then giving way to faster flowing road should prevent Evans' car from overheating. Hopefully.

[Rallyper]

Hayden?

[dimviii]

Sordo after power stage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-q-_N3XkAEpije.jpg

[N.O.T]

Hayden also problems...

[Rallyper]

Looks like only rear wheel drive.

[dimviii]

Hayden also problems...

lost power steering

[rallyfiend]

lost power steering

Isn't that why they spend so much time in the gym?

To deal with such problems?

[AL14]

Poor Hayden, looked so disconsolate.

[N.O.T]

2 out of 2 hyundais with problems in this stage.... one remains hmmmmmm

[AnttiL]

Sordo still has fastest first split time, shame about the puncture

[dimviii]

Isn't that why they spend so much time in the gym?

To deal with such problems?

have you ever try to drive a car with broken power steering? Its very hard to turn it.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Neuville on stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville up at Split 1.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job Ott... first time he's beaten Ogier ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans faster !!!!!!!!

[Simmi]

Evanssssssss!!!!!!!!!

[dimviii]

Evans 3,1 sec faster from Neuville.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fuck - hit the bridge.

[Watson]

Fuck - hit the bridge.

what do you mean?

[USER47]

Evans hit the bridge and lost a bit of time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Argh. :(

[WUff1]

0,7 sec Neuville ahead

[mknight]

the bridge cost him at least 1s for sure

[BigWorm]

Yes!!!!

[N.O.T]

I wanted neuville to win.... but now i am sad.

[dimviii]

Colin and Becs didn't like that Neuville wins.

[EstWRC]

NEUVILLE!!!! a big lesson for Evans...he lead with a minute yesterday! huge mistake on that bridge

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rGZOOXcAAEZoF.jpg

[BigWorm]

Massive respect to Elfyn, he grabbed the opportunity with both hands this rally. Unfortunate in the end, but hats off for him.

[Simmi]

Sickening for Elfyn. So close that's unreal. Great attitude though. Really miles away from the guy he was back in 2015.

[N.O.T]

If the sport earns another competitive driver after this rally then its all good... but if it was just because of the tyres then no harm done.

[seb_sh]

Great rally! :D

Too bad for Evans would have been nice to have him win, but that small mistake is on him. Nice recovery from Neuville.

[dimviii]

nice fight.Thanks Neuville -Evans!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rGZOOXcAAEZoF.jpg

[EstWRC]

Great podium!

[AndyRAC]

So close - but in reality he lost it yesterday when he shipped approx 50 secs to Neuville.

[N.O.T]

we have a nice championship once more... Neuville less than 25 points from Ogier... thats one win one retirement... lets see.

BEST SEASON EVER DOGS... so far at least.

[Thousandlakes]

Great rally and huge battle until the end. Lots of emotions. That we need...

[mknight]

If the sport earns another competitive driver after this rally then its all good... but if it was just because of the tyres then no harm done.

Obviously there are 2 sides to this

1. Few people believe that Evans is faster than Ogier and Tanak on gravel given everything else equal
2. On the other hand as Ogier said, sure the tires can be better but still the driver has to manage to drive fast on them

Anyway he did surprise me. I was rather critical of him after the first rallies. Seems like there is hope.

[abxyz]

Mixed feelings ..

[N.O.T]

a huge well done to m-sport for showing true sportmanship.

[EstWRC]

we have a nice championship once more... Neuville less than 25 points from Ogier... thats one win one retirement... lets see.

BEST SEASON EVER DOGS... so far at least.

and the season just gets better and better every round, doesnt it? Absolutely Love it!!!

[EightGear]

I love this sport.


Neuville gets 16 points back from Ogier!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wahhhhh!

[Watson]

Congrats to Neuville and Evans. Let's see if he can repeat this strong performance over the next events. I am really wondering if he can keep it up.

[GigiGalliNo1]

BEST SEASON EVER DOGS... so far at least.

You're still a fan! :D

[danon]

Brilliant job!
Neuville did it in style!
https://img.clipartfest.com/beba2e37bfab559d7e366aab30e7e10e_clapping-hands-gif-clipart-best-applause-clipart-animation_345-180.gif

[dimviii]

I love this sport.


Neuville gets 16 points back from Ogier!

I would like Elfyn to win and have a 5th different winner,but now with Neuville taking the win is very close to Ogier,and that's very good for the upcoming rallies.
Expect moaning before the rallies,at every stage finish,and after the rally.


Evans mistake that cost his maiden win

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rI6CEVwAAjZmr.jpg

[dupanton]

Very very happy for Neuville. This result puts him back in the fight for the championship too.

A pity for Evans, he did a good rally, advantage by the tyres or not.
I hope D-Mack get their first win soon. They deserve it after all the effort they put in rallying, all over the world and in all classes.

[KKS]

DMack nearly win karma in use .... :(

[itix]

Massive congrats to Neuville.
Impressive job by Evans! He was likely helped by tyres and road order but still very impressive.

Good job and congrats to Dmack. The Michelin monopoly looks to come under threat!

Not a single car without a problem this weekend. Some driver induced, some car related. It was a long time since we saw that much attrition in one event.

Toyota has once again proven to be relatively quick with Latvala and Ogier on similar road conditions but Latvala going quicker on many stages.

Citroen need to step up their game. It was an embarrassingly bad weekend even by their standards.

[A FONDO]

Evans finally felt the pressure of a strong fight for every second... he did many mistakes yesterday and today but there's hope it can make him better and stronger driver... we'll see.

Ogier was again a disgrace, this time more than ever.

[Sulland]

Sorry for Evans, and for DMack, could have had a first win. But it will come for both!
Neuville is a real fighter, and it pays off today!

Congratulations to all three for an exiting competition!

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_04_2017/post-93-0-70659900-1493570113.jpg

[eddy707]

Evans finally felt the pressure of a strong fight for every second... he did many mistakes yesterday and today but there's hope it can make him better and stronger driver... we'll see.

Ogier was again a disgrace, this time more than ever.

Did he say something?
I must have missed it

[Allyc85]

Sorry for Evans, and for DMack, could have had a first win. But it will come for both!
Neuville is a real fighter, and it pays off today!

Congratulations to all three for an exiting competition!

Agreed! What a fantastic battle, and how good is it to see 3 drivers so close in the championship, instead of Ogier clearing off!

[KKS]

And that young kid, who enter to narrow bridge by 90deg is still faster on PS than Ogier who saved tyres all Sunday. Great drive Elfyn!