Wrc Rally Argentina 2017

[Doon]

Rally Argentina wins the award for spectator safety!

[tommeke_B]

Rally Argentina wins the award for spectator safety!

No winner can be decided before Rally Poland.

[pantealex]

Bertelli is 7th Overall ;)
What a Rally!

[Doon]

No winner can be decided before Rally Poland.

Good point.

Talking of safety: Andreas Mikkelsen has posted a video online of himself and his co-driver listening to music during the Argentina recce. Multiple times he can be seen using his mobile phone, and with no hands on the steering wheel, whilst the car is moving. Don't want to sound like a health and safety bore, but in some countries you'd loose your license for that. Not a great message to be putting out there, especially when the WRC has been on the "Road Safety" campaign.

[bluuford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gbJv4XUAIM-Cn.jpg

Looks like their Dakar effort :P
anyway, today there will be huge contrast on road temperatures in the morning and in the afternoon. Lets see what happens.

[tomhlord]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gbJv4XUAIM-Cn.jpg

Hope the roll cage is in one piece.

[Sulland]

Tragic with sub 20 cars in a world championship event after 4 special stages.
And it is pure luck that all all spectators are still alive.....

[EstWRC]

both Meeke and Breen retired for today

[tomhlord]

Damn.

[mknight]

both Meeke and Breen retired for today


Makes perfect sense tbh, lot of time to fix the cars so that they can get some real comparison and data tomorrow and a chance for power stage on sunday. Rear end of Meeke's car might be a problem thought.

Anyway I cant seem them getting from last position of manu champ. any time soon. Sure Citroen bosses can't be satisfied with this level of "performance" ?

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ghKtGWAAEv2C9.jpg

[N.O.T]

Arab team of nobodies.

[EstWRC]

Citroen Beetle :p

[seb_sh]

What a rally, after only 3 real stages!

Meeke off, Breen technical, Paddon rolled, Ogier went off but managed to save it somehow, Hanninen no power and Sordo broke a steering arm. Evans leading and Latvala second and Ostberg on the podium!

Going forward I doubt Evans can hold this lead for 3 days, Neuville, Ogier and Latvala are close enough. I was expecting a more straightforward rally after all that happened but this year proves again that every point counts. Meeke and Citroen are doing a great job of removing themselves from the championship fight.

[ZequeArgentina]

And still the tougher part of the rally is pending!!
Today repeated stages will have big stones everywhere, and tomorrow will be really tought!

[Andre Oliveira]

Pic by Claudio Rolando

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gm3ZHUQAABvMi?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gm260UwAAHUyt?format=jpg&name=large

[spiderem]

well, 5 fiestas in the top 7... still early in the rally but if i were malcom i would be feeling good.

[Myrvold]

well, 5 fiestas in the top 7... still early in the rally but if i were malcom i would be feeling good.

Not to mention that it looks good in terms what car is good or not for the non-fan. It should give the other manufacturers some incentive to sell off some cars. But nah...

[satukata]

The biggest surprise for me is ostberg fastest michelin ford!!

[EstWRC]

what a time by Neuville on this super special

[macebig]

That C3 doesnt really look able to go any further for the weekend.Back to France, me thinks.

[KKS]

The biggest surprise for me is ostberg fastest michelin ford!!
cuz other 2 Michelin Ford's are 1st and 3rd on the road!

[EstWRC]

Evans smashes the opposition once again

[KKS]

That C3 doesnt really look able to go any further for the weekend.Back to France, me thinks.
You think that Solberg Impreza looks more better after Rally Germany shake 2006?

[satukata]

Evans flying again! is it road cleaning or dmack or real speed of evans??

[seb_sh]

Looks like Evans will do all he can to prove me wrong. What a result that would be, 5th different winner on different tyres this time. And Latvala 2nd to keep his title hopes very much alive.

[KKS]

Evans smashes the opposition once again
what an ambient temp now and tomorrow?

[satukata]

cuz other 2 Michelin Ford's are 1st and 3rd on the road!

we will see when they drive stages second time..

[macebig]

You think that Solberg Impreza looks more better after Rally Germany shake 2006?

It was worse.But rules on rollcage damage were much more relaxed back then.Now, even the smallest crack means you are out.

[tomhlord]

Looks like Evans will do all he can to prove me wrong. What a result that would be, 5th different winner on different tyres this time. And Latvala 2nd to keep his title hopes very much alive.

Hold onto your horses, 13 stages still to go.

[satukata]

An interesting afternoon coming!! We wish hard driving without technical problems!

[mknight]

Check out meekes onboard from ss2 on wrc pluss now. The C3 goes flying at 190 kph. (about 40s after start)

After that I would brake before every bump. Then again I am not wrc driver :P

[seb_sh]

Hold onto your horses, 13 stages still to go.

haha i know, was just thinking wildly :P

[EstWRC]

Evans doesnt need to push to the maximum at the moment, i really think he has a shot for a win here.

[Rallyper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ghKtGWAAEv2C9.jpg

Well, that car will not appear more in this rally.

[mknight]

Neuville, Tanak and Evans also flying on SS2 but none as bad as Meeke. No jump for Ogier.

[itix]

What a disaster of a rally. Both Citroen out and with no chance for points :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What a morning for Evans, Dmack and M-Sport. No real issues and full advantage taken of the road position and tyres.

Loooooong way to go but cant have a better chance for a debut win.

Other M-Sport drivers still well in for good points but Neuville is close to Ogier and a danger.

[pantealex]

What a disaster of a rally. Both Citroen out and with no chance for points :(

They have chance for points:
Only 17 other cars in rally which are eligible to points and 3 of those are also Rally2 and behind Citroens...
so maximum 14 cars ahead of them after 1st full day.

[EightGear]

Check out meekes onboard from ss2 on wrc pluss now. The C3 goes flying at 190 kph. (about 40s after start)

After that I would brake before every bump. Then again I am not wrc driver :P

Incredible...



https://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/59036ffe2faeb/59036ffe2549c-meekewow.png

[Allez Andruet]

Hänninen just doesn't seem to have any luck this year. Hopefully they'll get everything fixed in the service.

[stefanvv]

They have chance for points:
Only 17 other cars in rally which are eligible to points and 3 of those are also Rally2 and behind Citroens...
so maximum 14 cars ahead of them after 1st full day.

It's not certain Meeke will continue though.

[bluuford]

Incredible...


https://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/59036ffe2faeb/59036ffe2549c-meekewow.png
Perfect view for weatherman, thanks Kris;)!

[wrc2017]

Check out meekes onboard from ss2 on wrc pluss now. The C3 goes flying at 190 kph. (about 40s after start)

After that I would brake before every bump. Then again I am not wrc driver :P

Yes and i have a feeling accident is the same. Meeke just carrying more speed than Breen.
Citroen still have fundamental issues with that car

[tomhlord]

Unbelievable footage of Meeke over that bump.

[mknight]

Yes and i have a feeling accident is the same. Meeke just carrying more speed than Breen.
Citroen still have fundamental issues with that car

I dont know, it seems more driver-related.

Ogier and Sordo drive there perfectly safe with a slightly different line choice and a little bit of braking. Maybe more of a choice of how you drive then what the car does.

[dimviii]

Neuville aster ss5
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/36016_c-gwjhpuwaenaq3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gwIL-UwAEdGbH.jpg

[dimviii]

Sordo incar video breaking his steering arm
https://twitter.com/DaniSordo

[COD]

Well, that car will not appear more in this rally.

Don't se why not, if no damage to the rollcage. They have enough time ti fix that for tomorrow

[mknight]

Neither Meek nor Evans seem to have anything about that SS2 bump in notes, Tidemand has it in. Don't understand the other languages well enough.

[dimviii]

hope roll cage is not cracked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-hANMdXoAAvuce.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gusxiXkAA4zsp.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gzLgaXYAEyjvS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-gzMvIXkAEsFu7.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18155797_1596649443680627_5606368457294035836_o.jp g?oh=3c1ac07fed94bf4ae6052fca3d50b65b&oe=59C24951
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18121529_1596649513680620_8801733548873106908_o.jp g?oh=667757c6cd8758bedc0912337ed8866a&oe=59764C9B
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18121556_1596649537013951_4278690868043864432_o.jp g?oh=2f1201d89243f7ef67f33f952440cc6b&oe=59BF37AE
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18156506_757712774400068_4379546731226759807_o.jpg ?oh=2d2f669b8f1aa494474bc22443091fcc&oe=5991003A
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18121736_757712571066755_3039294461366877351_o.jpg ?oh=d8173654fe3633c94628081006224053&oe=5985190B
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18155778_757711317733547_6054462667213867599_o.jpg ?oh=3fc858cf20107eac32d5c8fa95832e8d&oe=59786BDD

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-hLNlGVoAA_HGw.jpg

[spiderem]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-hLNlGVoAA_HGw.jpg

a picture worth a million words

[satukata]

now real Rock and roll starts!!

[KKS]

not so many splits here

[dimviii]

all drivers with 5 soft tyres

[Simmi]

Ahh now JML gets the Toyota engine issue.

[KKS]

Ahh now JML gets the Toyota engine issue.
It better when you have issues... Citroens didn't have an issue at Corsica, but one sec and engine is ruined.

[KKS]

Uhhhh Nueville... just +0.7 overall. Battle battle battle!!!

[dimviii]

Neuville with in a second from Ogier and 5 sec from Latvala.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala/Toyota slow ... showing why only Neuville/Hyundai is the title challenger to Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans .. WOW !

[spiderem]

what a split by evans

[AnttiL]

And Østberg was actually quickest on the first split

[KKS]

And Mads even faster on 1st split. C'mon boys!

[EstWRC]

Malcolm, get rid of Ogier and Tänak and hire Evans and Ostberg :p

[Mintexmemory]

Woo hoo Go EE!!

(Meanwhile the Grand Fromage closes in on Latvala for the podium!)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Did Neuville say he had some engine temps issue also ?

[seb_sh]

wow Evans has almost a minute in hand :o

[stefanvv]

Malcolm, get rid of Ogier and Tänak and hire Evans and Ostberg :p

Evans maybe, but Ostberg, please.

[KKS]

That boy put 16.5 sec to world champ in a ONE STAGE! :D

[mknight]

Ogier mistake at SS2 is on 3:55

[Simmi]

Dare to dream. Three first time winners in three years in Argentina. Would be some story. Come on Elfyn!!!

[KKS]

Did Neuville say he had some engine temps issue also ?
yep

[sete]

Ostberg goes to second pos. overall. Wow

[spiderem]

11.5 sec between 2nd and 6th :)

[Mintexmemory]

By the way - No one saw Elfyn doing this in the crystal balls!

[EstWRC]

11.5 sec between 2nd and 6th :)

it will be a great fight for the podium positions!!!!

[skarderud]

no one had guessed this comeback from østberg, thats for sure:)

[dimviii]

what was Hanninens comments at stage stop?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another slow stage by Latvala and we could have a Fiesta top 4.

[Simmi]

what was Hanninens comments at stage stop?

I think he said the stage was so rough he took it easy after his issues in the morning. There was a warning light on the dash apparently but he said it was no problem.

[spiderem]

looking at latvala splits, it looks more like a stall at stage start. Did he mention something about engine issue?

[EstWRC]

looking at latvala splits, it looks more like a stall at stage start. Did he mention something about engine issue?

yes, engine overheating he said, was in a cruise mode

[spiderem]

yes, engine overheating he said, was in a cruise mode

ok thanks

[EightGear]

Crazy rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

no one had guessed this comeback from østberg, thats for sure:)

SS6 12:47.9 I'm really happy. We had a strategy before the rally & it's working. It's a secret plan! 😎 #WRC https://t.co/pQu9pwF7i8

[dimviii]

SS6 12:47.9 I'm really happy. We had a strategy before the rally & it's working. It's a secret plan! �� #WRC https://t.co/pQu9pwF7i8

lol

[dimviii]

Meeke

https://youtu.be/teq1M4e6w5I

[Franky]

Meeke

https://youtu.be/teq1M4e6w5I

It looks a lot meaner in that McRae-esque state

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lol

Mads could have the last laugh.

[dimviii]

Mads could have the last laugh.

last excuse you mean.

incar from Ogiers mistake and Meeke high speed bump
https://youtu.be/qUCYBrPg7fw

[jparker]

Latvala/Toyota slow ... showing why only Neuville/Hyundai is the title challenger to Ogier.

You really believe Ogier can do it again this year? He needs a beter car for that you know.

[Simmi]

You really believe Ogier can do it again this year? He needs a beter car for that you know.

Championship table doesn't lie. He doesn't need the best car to win the championship. No one else really has their sh*t together enough to challenge over a season. Can see Ogier extending his lead after Argentina.

[jparker]

Championship table doesn't lie. He doesn't need the best car to win the championship. No one else really has their sh*t together enough to challenge over a season. Can see Ogier extending his lead after Argentina.

You have to be pation, it will all come back to its logic eventually.

[mknight]

Championship table doesn't lie. He doesn't need the best car to win the championship. No one else really has their sh*t together enough to challenge over a season. Can see Ogier extending his lead after Argentina.

While I agree, I also believe Neuville does have some chance.

[dimviii]

Meeke incar with crash
https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing

[spiderem]

Meeke incar with crash
https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing

you have to feel sorry a bit for meeke. doesn't look like he was too fast or out of line by a lot, and car literally got airborn...

[KKS]

Latvala finds right switch to off that engine alarm :D -1.0 sec quicker than Ogier

[skarderud]

Meeke incar with crash
https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing


hmm, the front had some weird behaveior?

[mknight]

Meeke incar with crash
https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing

I'd say that's a clear driver mistake tbh. Hard on brakes in a deep ditch where he can't see whats there. Actually totally reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKDx-yhg6Q
(except the rolling afterwards)

[macebig]

The Master
http://snaplap.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/11222917/FordFocusWRC-2002-Cyprus-McRae.jpg
and The Apprentice
pic.twitter.com/Cf69SPQ9pf

[jparker]

What we are seeing in this rally doesn't make any sence. I have no explanation for what EE is doing. Better tyres can't make such a difference.

[stefanvv]

You really believe Ogier can do it again this year? He needs a beter car for that you know.

Now You underestimate Ogier driving abilities. Hold.

[mknight]

Disagree, remember the Pirelli on wet or rough tarmac? 0.5 secs/km vs Michelin... on dry tarmac it was the other way around.

[EstWRC]

what a fight for third place!

[seb_sh]

Nice fight between Latvala, Ogier, Neuville, Tanak and Ostberg.

[J_n_z]

What we are seeing in this rally doesn't make any sence. I have no explanation for what EE is doing. Better tyres can't make such a difference.

Tyres can easily make this difference.

[dimviii]

What we are seeing in this rally doesn't make any sence. I have no explanation for what EE is doing. Better tyres can't make such a difference.

I wouldn't say better,but different hardness that suits better these conditions.. Yes its possible,we watched it with Tanak last year too,and at Monte.

[EightGear]

Close stage times, 4.8 seconds covering 7 guys and Ostberg still to come.

[AnttiL]

Close stage times, 4.8 seconds covering 7 guys and Ostberg still to come.

And Østberg quickest on the first split again

[KKS]

Close stage times, 4.8 seconds covering 7 guys and Ostberg still to come.
wellcome to modern era of youtube :(

[KKS]

And Østberg quickest on the splits
I don't belive that he could make best time here... to much slow 2nd sector

[EstWRC]

just look at that TOP5 on this stage, so close. everybody is actually close up to sordo

[KKS]

Top3 times in 0.1sec for 20.5 km!!! wow

[jparker]

I wouldn't say better,but different hardness that suits better these conditions.. Yes its possible,we watched it with Tanak last year too,and at Monte.

Shame on Michelin then. Can't believe how miserably they are failing here.

[BigWorm]

Finally a scratch for Paddon. Took him long enough.

[SubaruNorway]

What we are seeing in this rally doesn't make any sence. I have no explanation for what EE is doing. Better tyres can't make such a difference.

It does, Tanak was fast in Poland last year on the same type of sandy roads. I think he's watched the stages a "few" times before, some lines in combinations are really good like he knows it by heart.

[dimviii]

top 5 crews at this stage within 0,6 sec

[KKS]

I'd say that's a clear driver mistake tbh. Hard on brakes in a deep ditch where he can't see whats there. Actually totally reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKDx-yhg6Q
(except the rolling afterwards)
I didn't agree that it's a driver mistake. He moves a lot to the right just to keep line in croner as straight as possible. And outside that - was bump. You should straight all corners if you could.

[dimviii]

Shame on Michelin then. Can't believe how miserably they are failing here.

why shame?
Dmack just choosed different hardness rubber for their soft compound tyre.
That Argentina at these temps suits better their tyre doesn't make it better from Michelins.
There are about 10 different gravel rallies at championship,and we have to wait till last rally to see how ''good'' is their tyre,or how much progress they have done from last year.

[AnttiL]

Paddon's gonna go past Bertelli soon, maybe already on the next stage

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-hiETeXgAIKcuh.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

I'd say that's a clear driver mistake tbh. Hard on brakes in a deep ditch where he can't see whats there. Actually totally reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKDx-yhg6Q
(except the rolling afterwards)

What ditch? It's the normal line, when the onboards are up later you will probably see that most of them will hit the bedrock.

[EstWRC]

so who is gonna be on top of this fight, Latvala, Tänak, Ogier or Neuville?

[steve.mandzij]

so who is gonna be on top of this fight, Latvala, Tänak, Ogier or Neuville?
My heart says Latvala, but my head is confused. Still rooting for the Jaris!

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[spiderem]

problem for Latvala?

[BigWorm]

so who is gonna be on top of this fight, Latvala, Tänak, Ogier or Neuville?

Not Latvala by the looks of it.

[KKS]

And now things starts to stabilize

[KKS]

And now things starts to stabilize
LOL... Tanak :D

[BigWorm]

Spin by Tänak? Lost 8s in last split to Neuville who is now in third.

[EstWRC]

puncture for Tänak too, shame

[N.O.T]

puncture for Latvala... i like the approach of Neuville after his stupid and disastrous start in the championship. He knows that he has the best car and he takes it step by step to the top... lets see how this will unfolds for him.

[N.O.T]

puncture for Tänak too, shame

you spelled team orders wrong...

[Franky]

Got to love the radio today. beep-beep-beep beeeeep-beeeeep-beeeeep beep-beep-beep.

[wrc2017]

I'd say that's a clear driver mistake tbh. Hard on brakes in a deep ditch where he can't see whats there. Actually totally reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKDx-yhg6Q
(except the rolling afterwards)

No, to me, the car is too low, maybe enough suspension travel, but the sump guard whacked the ground, and was a launch pad. It not a driver issue that both Citroens had same moment, on the same place, on both SS2 and SS3, ultimately retiring both cars.

[KKS]

Got to love the radio today. beep-beep-beep beeeeep-beeeeep-beeeeep beep-beep-beep.
BigFoot with iPhone :D

[EstWRC]

the fight for third will continue tomorrow then between Neuville, Ogier and Tänak

[N.O.T]

the fight for third will continue tomorrow then between Neuville, Ogier and Tänak

it will be the battle for the win tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

stage win for Paddon

[stefanvv]

D-Mack "nostalgia"?


Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin (https://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?e=36016&s=134202&d=1434099&t=YPF-Rally-Argentina-2017)

I got it 10km before the end. The Michelins are good - 10km on a flat tyre and it never came off the rim.

[spiderem]

exciting day ahead tomorrow.

[stefanvv]

the fight for third will continue tomorrow then between Neuville, Ogier and Tänak

I would discard 2nd place as certain. Though the win seems.

[EstWRC]

D-Mack "nostalgia"?

the guys in estonian forum are joking that he got good training with dmack last year and thats why he lost so little time

[stefanvv]

the guys in estonian forum are joking that he got good training with dmack last year and thats why he lost so little time

training is never excess. I've heard Brazilian football players are so good 'cause are training on the beaches due to lack of enough stadiums.

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like they are starting on Meek's car on the stream now

[er88]

Not watched other onboards yet, but do the other cars fly wildly like the Citroens did when they hit the bumps?

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[steve.mandzij]

Shieeet, Latvala! Sucks for him, but it's not an uncloseable gap. Los Gigantes ought to shake up the standings tomorrow with how things are going so far.

On my way to the superspecial :D

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[SubaruNorway]

Not watched other onboards yet, but do the other cars fly wildly like the Citroens did when they hit the bumps?

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Yes, Evans and Bertelli with big nose dives at the 40 sec one in SS2 and everyone but Latvala hits the Meeke rock at 7:30 in SS4, Neuville hits the bank. Breen's onboard cuts for a second so can't see how hard the hit is.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18156065_1336669766412922_4404521022238242532_o.jp g?oh=a6e2efe1c42c67c3e156f4f678e512b8&oe=597503DD
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18238174_1336669783079587_7992173165358869965_o.jp g?oh=092eaa0dc819d6c1f90bf9bb2136d7d7&oe=597CFE7D

[denkimi]

I'd say that's a clear driver mistake tbh. Hard on brakes in a deep ditch where he can't see whats there. Actually totally reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKDx-yhg6Q
(except the rolling afterwards)
i would say that's a recce mistake. there should have been a "don't cut" in the notes

perhaps someone with wrc+ has images of ogier or neuville in the same place. i can hardly believe that that is a normal place to cut.

[KKS]

No rally radio for SSS?

[stefanvv]

Well this is really nice for a super special.

[SubaruNorway]

i would say that's a recce mistake. there should have been a "don't cut" in the notes

perhaps someone with wrc+ has images of ogier or neuville in the same place. i can hardly believe that that is a normal place to cut.

Mads had "rock in line" but still hit it. It's on the road, not on a cut.

[SubaruNorway]

No rally radio for SSS?

No signal they said.

[dimviii]

http://vmf.edge-apps.net/embed/live.php?streamname=el12_live01-100083&autoplay=true

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice to hear Ogier and Latvala praising Evans driving, not just say its his road position and tyres.

[kirungi okwogera]

Ogier did a BIT of road position talk, but it was less than his usual.

Has anyone heard why Hanninen is nearly 5 minutes down today? I've been away and missed a lot, but he's very far down, even given his results so far.

[stefanvv]

Has anyone heard why Hanninen is nearly 5 minutes down today? I've been away and missed a lot, but he's very far down, even given his results so far.

Had lost power in the morning loop.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ok, so who guessed Evans & Østberg are 1-2 after the first day ?? ;)

[samWRC]

Lol that local Fiesta driver :D

[denkimi]

Mads had "rock in line" but still hit it. It's on the road, not on a cut.
that depends on what you define as "the road".
i have only seen the onboard of meeke, but it seems to me that that rock or hole or whatever it was, was near the very edge of the road and could easily be avoided.

but its pretty dark, so i might see the situation wrong.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/oVrfYqs32SQ

[steve.mandzij]

Lol that local Fiesta driver :D
The atmosphere then was hilarious. Alonso's R5 passed by alone, and ten seconds later the Fiesta appeared. Hysterical laughter ensued around the circuit.

That Latvala-Ogier duel was insane! Latvala almost lost it at the jump and Ogier was on the limit. Plus, that Yaris' anti lag was incredible.

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[Lundefaret]

that depends on what you define as "the road".
i have only seen the onboard of meeke, but it seems to me that that rock or hole or whatever it was, was near the very edge of the road and could easily be avoided.

but its pretty dark, so i might see the situation wrong.

It was a bad bedrock compression on the inside.

[Lundefaret]

Nice to hear Ogier and Latvala praising Evans driving, not just say its his road position and tyres.

For sure the tires have been an advantage, but you need to drive the car to, so Evans have done an absolute brilliant job.
He disagreed about Malcolm putting him "down" in an R5 last year, as I said the and as I say now, that was to be his most important year for developing as a driver. Retrospectively, he should thank Malcolm.

[GravelBen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMH-P9W3mN0

Paddon's gentle roll from 1:30, very unlucky really - just caught a rut on the road.

[stefanvv]

that depends on what you define as "the road".
i have only seen the onboard of meeke, but it seems to me that that rock or hole or whatever it was, was near the very edge of the road and could easily be avoided.

but its pretty dark, so i might see the situation wrong.

Too fast there, cut too much, after the bump the car continued straight, couldn't take the next left corner and rolled. If the speed was less probably that wouldn't happen despite the bump. BTW Breen's gearbox issue appeared on the very same place.

[mknight]

Mads had "rock in line" but still hit it. It's on the road, not on a cut.

Yes he hit it but less seriously than Tanak, he had it in the notes and could avoid it, if you watch Latvala and Sordo they completely avoid it just by driving a bit more left. Somebody understand Finnish to hear anything in notes? (Sordo sound doesnt work)

I stand by my yesterdays comment that it's in the end more of a drivers fault than cars fault. Neuvilles car does basically the same thing the Citroens did there, he just a get a little bit more lucky. Blame I20 for it?

EDIT: Btw. Ogier brakes just before that rock and then lifts from the brake just before impact. Coincidence? Seen it in last moment or notes? Meeke brakes into the rock.


Similarly the Day 1 highlights have a different view of Ogier at that bump 40s after start of SS2. I don't understand French but he clearly slows down and adjusts the line just before. Breen and Meeke go almost completely full throttle, similarly with many of the other drivers that had a moment there.

To me on SS2 that's going too fast for the conditions at that particular spot, not cars fault. In SS4 it's both recce mistake (since Ostberg has it) and too agressive line. Though yes the Fords seems to have a "softer" reaction to that than C3 and I20 when they hit it.

[Eli]

so after day 1, we had 2 Hyundai's & 2 Citroen's out of the rally, perhaps Hayden can still get a descent result...let's hope day 2 clears well for the crews.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-kLHhiVwAAj9fz.jpg

Captured by | Jaanus Ree

[Norm75]

Too fast there, cut too much, after the bump the car continued straight, couldn't take the next left corner and rolled. If the speed was less probably that wouldn't happen despite the bump. BTW Breen's gearbox issue appeared on the very same place.solely blaming driver for error is a little harsh. You say 'cut too much', I don't know if you've seen external footage, but from onboard it looks as though kris' car was very much on the road, a cut is where one or more wheels are off the road and on grass verge, or whatever might be there.
Yes, compressions can be put in notes on recce, but as recce is carried out in different car at lower speed it must be difficult to judge what effect it will have at race pace.

[mknight]

Other drivers have avoided the rock/compression. Østberg even had it in notes.

[stefanvv]

solely blaming driver for error is a little harsh. You say 'cut too much', I don't know if you've seen external footage, but from onboard it looks as though kris' car was very much on the road, a cut is where one or more wheels are off the road and on grass verge, or whatever might be there.
Yes, compressions can be put in notes on recce, but as recce is carried out in different car at lower speed it must be difficult to judge what effect it will have at race pace.

Read my second sentence. I don't blame the cutting solely either. It is combination of things went wrong.

[SubaruNorway]

The logic of some people on this forum baffles me :p

[GravelBen]

The logic of some people on this forum baffles me :p

You shouldn't expect logic on internet forums, its against the rules! :D

[mknight]

Check out 1:30 on Meeke's SS4. Careful line choice that is.

Sure the off was not 100% driver error. But the amount of apologizing and blaming the car for every problem Meeke has is too damn high.

[dimviii]

Check out 1:30 on Meeke's SS4. Careful line choice that is.

Sure the off was not 100% driver error. But the amount of apologizing and blaming the car for every problem Meeke has is too damn high.

This is not what we expected but fortunately this rarely happens. Our two cars, on a compression, had a heavy impact on the crankcase protector. We have to look at why we had such a strong impact there because we had not seen that it would be so impacting during the reconnaissance. But it's neither the fault of Kris Meeke nor that of Craig Breen, "said Yves Matton on the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.

[BigWorm]

Difficult to tell what's throwing Kris off since there is shade where the impact is from the onboard footage. But from what I've read it's a bump and then Kris is obviously going too fast to handle that bump.

When there is a roll, it's always right to question the driver. Either positioning, speed or both. Kris' roll is unfortunate, but it is avoidable.

[SubaruNorway]

Difficult to tell what's throwing Kris off since there is shade where the impact is from the onboard footage. But from what I've read it's a bump and then Kris is obviously going too fast to handle that bump.

When there is a roll, it's always right to question the driver. Either positioning, speed or both. Kris' roll is unfortunate, but it is avoidable.

It's a rock that hit just under the engine or gearbox in Breen's case, several drivers before Kris hit it and probably pulled it out of the ground even more. Maybe the car has slightly softer suspension or even ran 10mm too low, you will never know. It's just random things.

[EstWRC]

"Hello, is it Andreas? So i was thinking that maybe...."



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[stefanvv]

The guy running after Meeke having that "exposed" rock even more is now leading the rally and most likely win it. Logic?

[AndyRAC]

I thought it was solely driver error, until I saw the footage; car hits a bump/ rock, and is launched.....and off. Would you really notice such things whilst making notes on the recce? Much slower, and a different car. Citroen obviously still have a serious handling issue, that hasn't been sorted yet.

[stefanvv]

General question. Where we can watch good split times except wrc.com/wrc+?

[OldF]

Meeke’s car fixed in 29 seconds.:)

https://twitter.com/citroenarg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-koE1MU0AAOsPe.jpg

[Norm75]

Read my second sentence. I don't blame the cutting solely either. It is combination of things went wrong.
Yes a combination of things, including the car and including the driver.
Was the car set to low, is there a fundamental problem with the Citroen and bumps, was Kris going quicker than anyone else on that corner, who knows. What I would say is there wasn't really anything wrong with Kris' line. If Kris was going slower then yes, he probably wouldn't have rolled.
Have you ever hit a pothole in the road and got a blowout? May have been nothing wrong with your road positioning and speed, and if you hit it at a slower speed it may not end up with a blowout, either way would you say it was your fault, or just bad luck?

[SubaruNorway]

The guy running after Meeke having that "exposed" rock even more is now leading the rally and most likely win it. Logic?

Seriously? Meeke was still on the road when Evans came by, lucky he didn't end up with a front right puncture since he was a bit more to the left when he hit it at slow speed.

[René]

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/status/858265340966563841

[stefanvv]

What I would say is there wasn't really anything wrong with Kris' line.

I just watched his and Ogier's on-boards on that place. Ogier is taking left before the corner and already positioned the car for the next left in the corner. Meeke was taking straight into it and obviously positioned the car for the next left at the bump, which unfortunately rolled the car at that speed. Bad luck? no, pure driving error.

[WUff1]

https://twitter.com/CitroenRacing/status/858265340966563841

They really managed it, congrats!

[stefanvv]

Seriously? Meeke was still on the road when Evans came by, lucky he didn't end up with a front right puncture since he was a bit more to the left when he hit it at slow speed.

Yes, I just watched Evans' on-board there and Meeke was there, wasn't aware of it, my mistake.

[dimviii]

once more,maybe you didn't read it(doubt it though)


. Bad luck? no, pure driving error.

This is not what we expected but fortunately this rarely happens. Our two cars, on a compression, had a heavy impact on the crankcase protector. We have to look at why we had such a strong impact there because we had not seen that it would be so impacting during the reconnaissance. But it's neither the fault of Kris Meeke nor that of Craig Breen, "said Yves Matton on the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.

[N.O.T]

Arab team of nobodies from top to bottom.

[BigWorm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-koE1MU0AAOsPe.jpg

Not a fan of Paddon

[stefanvv]

once more,maybe you didn't read it(doubt it though)



This is not what we expected but fortunately this rarely happens. Our two cars, on a compression, had a heavy impact on the crankcase protector. We have to look at why we had such a strong impact there because we had not seen that it would be so impacting during the reconnaissance. But it's neither the fault of Kris Meeke nor that of Craig Breen, "said Yves Matton on the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.

Yes I read it. Don't worry.

[dimviii]

Yes I read it. Don't worry.

so you read it,but you incist that you know better .



#tyre info: all Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin LTX Force S5 #wrc #RallyArgentina

We've chosen five DMACK DMG+2 GS62 soft compound tyres for this morning

[stefanvv]

Breen still in service due to fuel leak. Will get penalty.

[stefanvv]

so you read it,but you incist that you know better .

Finally You understand.

[dimviii]

here we go again...

Rally Argentina‏*@rallyargentina
SS10 is delayed due to spectators #YPFRallyArgentina2017

[dimviii]

Breen still in service due to fuel leak. Will get penalty.

oil leak not fuel.

[denkimi]

solely blaming driver for error is a little harsh. You say 'cut too much', I don't know if you've seen external footage, but from onboard it looks as though kris' car was very much on the road, a cut is where one or more wheels are off the road and on grass verge, or whatever might be there.
Yes, compressions can be put in notes on recce, but as recce is carried out in different car at lower speed it must be difficult to judge what effect it will have at race pace.
it doesn't matter if it is on the road or not, if it is likely to cause trouble you have to have it in the notes.
if there is a three in the middle of the road, you aren't going to crash into it just because you follow the road are you?

I've driven rally's where there were huge potholes right in the middle of the road, deep enough to likely rip a wheel off. nobody drives through them just because they are on the normal line. no, people adjust their speed and/or line to avoid them.

and yes, drivers with that much experience know what a certain hole a bump will do to their car, even when doing recce at slow speed.

[KKS]

General question. Where we can watch good split times except wrc.com/wrc+?
For me wrc.com splits are a lot faster than others. And I see splits earlier than rally radio, I think it pretty fast.

But if you don't like wrc.com splits try Michelin splits https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2017/event/rally-argentina/splits/10 but they mb 30sec or so slower than wrc.com but have start time of a car

[stefanvv]

For me wrc.com splits are a lot faster than others. And I see splits earlier than rally radio, I think it pretty fast.

But if you don't like wrc.com splits try Michelin splits https://ranking-wrc.michelin.rngd.io/sites/embed.php?key=1#!/saison/2017/event/rally-argentina/splits/10 but they mb 30sec or so slower than wrc.com but have start time of a car

I like wrc.com splits just fine, just since yesterday their site jams my firefox for some reason. But on chrome all seems ok. Thanks.

[dimviii]

Tanti - Villa Bustos 1, 20.80km. This well-known test has been reversed for 2017. It starts in the middle on Tanti on asphalt before twisting uphill and crossing several water splashes. The second part is faster with some big corners that demand bravery. It is rough initially but becomes smoother as the roads widen towards the finish.

[dimviii]

wow watch Paddons 1st split

[KKS]

it would be a lot faster till to the end of car list. I expect near -9.0 for 2nd place battlers

[dimviii]

lol

Citroën Racing‏*@CitroenRacing
@Craig_Breen and @scottmartinat retire from #RallyArgentina day 2 because of an oil leak... #WRC

[KKS]

shit.... this is not funny Citorens :(

[cosmin_sb]

I am curious how will go today Evans, can he keep the advantage?

[Sch17]

Shouldnt Meeke be on the top of Start order? Does anyone know rally 2 regulations for starting order? Many thanks in advance!

[bluuford]

Shouldnt Meeke be on the top of Start order? Does anyone know rally 2 regulations for starting order? Many thanks in advance!
From this year, they are running just behind car nr 1. Different order for Powerstage

[BigWorm]

Nice 1st split from Neuville

[KKS]

Shouldnt Meeke be on the top of Start order? Does anyone know rally 2 regulations for starting order? Many thanks in advance!
all rc1 cars in reverse order, than after rally2 rc1 cars, than all others

[Norm75]

and yes, drivers with that much experience know what a certain hole a bump will do to their car, even when doing recce at slow speed.yes for sure if it's a visible hazard it should be in notes.
There is absolutely no way of knowing what a bump will do to the car.
There is plenty to speculate as to what it [I]might[I] do to their car, but knowing exactly how it will react at any given speed would be nigh on impossible.

[dimviii]

Neuville split 1 ultra fast.Lets wait for Evans

[EstWRC]

Tänak stalled the engine and still fastest at the moment

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Come on Elfyn... keep it going today !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen had to be retired but Meeke can carry on after wrecking the car... amazing.

[abxyz]

Is the stage broadcast anywhere? Colin said on the radio that there is heli + onboard footage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And Ostberg started well again by the looks of Split 1... Evans too. :)

[BigWorm]

Östberg has lost second to judge the second split

[KKS]

Come on Elfyn... keep it going today !
nope, today he should keep position... not push.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

nope, today he should keep position... not push.

I didnt say push.

[KKS]

Is the stage broadcast anywhere? Colin said on the radio that there is heli + onboard footage
As always now.... 1st pass of afternoon live TV stage broadcasting only at service park :(
2nd pass for all and wrc+

[stefanvv]

nope, today he should keep position... not push.

He doesn't keep at 2nd split, probably stage win

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hydraulic issue hits Ostberg.. :(

[Simmi]

Is the stage broadcast anywhere? Colin said on the radio that there is heli + onboard footage

I think same situation as Corsica. Filmed this morning ahead of live stage this afternoon. Shame to not see it.

Fiesta hydraulics gone again - this time for Mads.

[Rallyper]

Hydraulic issue hits Ostberg.. :(

So here we go again. Fiestas let them down. feel sorry for them.

[KKS]

If it will be all OK, Evans must win this stage

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That waterslash causing problems for Ogier, Ostberg & Evans.

[abxyz]

As always now.... 1st pass of afternoon live TV stage broadcasting only at service park :(
2nd pass for all and wrc+

What a shame, they managed to show both runs in sweden

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done EE ! :D

[BigWorm]

Seems like Neuville are making mistakes, missed breaking and damaged the wheel.

[EstWRC]

i just cant believe this performance from Evans, why he didnt do this in 2015? he was nowhere on gravel then...good for him

[KKS]

Seems like Neuville are making mistakes, missed breaking and damaged the wheel.
he was blinded by a low sun

[seb_sh]

Evans continues to do a good job, seems the tyres are working well today also. He has over a minute advantage but a lot will depend on the long stage today. If he doesn't loose a lot of time there he will have a pretty good position to win the rally. Given his tyres are actually more durable than the Michelin he could even win a bunch of time on the longer stages. Also the fight for 2nd will be interesting.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-k_uZlXYAEn9g-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-k_uZkXgAAFmVI.jpg

[bluuford]

Neuville now without spare wheel for two long stages.

[KKS]

Evans continues to do a good job, seems the tyres are working well today also. He has over a minute advantage but a lot will depend on the long stage today. If he doesn't loose a lot of time there he will have a pretty good position to win the rally. Given his tyres are actually more durable than the Michelin he could even win a bunch of time on the longer stages. Also the fight for 2nd will be interesting.
According to stage end comments - if stage long it better for DMack's, if it will be shorter there is no such big advantage.

[denkimi]

it doesn't look broken, perhaps he can inflate it again.

[satukata]

what problems ostberg had?

[seb_sh]

According to stage end comments - if stage long it better for DMack's, if it will be shorter there is no such big advantage.

Is Los Gigantes going to be shortened?

Even so, with current pace and 1 minute advantage it's looking good for Evans.

[dimviii]

Craig Breen
1 min ·
We retire again, as we found an oil leak on their car during service. Mechanics will try to fix that, allowing us to run day 3 under Rally2 rules.

[mknight]

once more,maybe you didn't read it(doubt it though)



This is not what we expected but fortunately this rarely happens. Our two cars, on a compression, had a heavy impact on the crankcase protector. We have to look at why we had such a strong impact there because we had not seen that it would be so impacting during the reconnaissance. But it's neither the fault of Kris Meeke nor that of Craig Breen, "said Yves Matton on the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, special envoy of the RTBF in Argentina.

Matton said this in service after Meek got there and he saw footage only from Citroen cars. This comment is shown Day 1 Highlights. Its almost certain he couldn't have seen the footage from other teams at that point.
Neuvilles car jumps basically exactly the same way as Citroens do. Latvala and Sordo avoid the bump completely by driving a different line. Ogier avoids most of the effect by not braking into it. Ostberg even has it in the notes.

That is case closed for me as far as blaming car only goes.

Note that when Meeke crashes the first thing they do after the car has rolled is they say that "the car did it". If anything they have a serious case of mistrust in the car.

[KKS]

Is Los Gigantes going to be shortened?

Even so, with current pace and 1 minute advantage it's looking good for Evans.
nope. If we be in Finland where 60+ stages with 7kms each - Evans didn't have such advantage.

[jparker]

Red Bull TV will broadcast live startig 17:50 CET

[USER47]

what problems ostberg had?
Hydraulics problems -> nonfunctional handbrake and wonky differentials, plus he lost rear splitter in some watersplash.