Rally Wrc Mexico 2017

[stefanvv]

E.Evans have got a 5 min penalty.
WRC SR 63.1.1 What is that?

Looks like engine replacement:
63.1.1
In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and the first time control it is permitted to
replace the engine, however, a 5 minutes penalty will be applied by the clerk of the course.

[mozesii]

E.Evans have got a 5 min penalty.
WRC SR 63.1.1 What is that?

63.1.1 In the case of engine failure between scrutineering and TC0 it is permitted to replace the engine but a 5-minute penalty will be applied.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

E.Evans have got a 5 min penalty.
WRC SR 63.1.1 What is that?

@Dmack:
A bad start to @ElfynEvans Rally Mexico. We had to change the engine last night after shakedown, so start the rally with a 5 min penalty..

[Mintexmemory]

The big give away was the googlish translating 'les types' as 'the types' as opposed to the correct 'the guys'

[mozesii]

Hello dear leader we have missed you.

Please stay here to comment and don't go launching missiles to japan sea because you are mad at Toyota :D

Tihihi

[Simmi]

@Dmack:
A bad start to @ElfynEvans Rally Mexico. We had to change the engine last night after shakedown, so start the rally with a 5 min penalty..

Another engine issue for M-Sport. Is anyone keeping count? Was an ongoing issue in pre-season testing too.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fFj2XUwAAifY2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fF7twU4AEbYZr.jpg

[dimviii]

Miika Wuorela‏*@MiikaWuorela
JML and Juho comparing the in-car footage on a bus trip to Mexico City HQ for rally people.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fVYsFVMAADkfT.jpg

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing‏*@CitroenRacing
@paulnagle1 has pages of pacenotes for the 54km El Chocolate stage!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gRzchU4AARw0U.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans engine problem: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128440/evans-picks-up-fiveminute-penalty-in-mexico

[drive]

Michelin Motorsport‏Verified account @Michelin_Sport 2m2 minutes ago
More
The #WRC drivers can use up to 32 tyres in Mexico, from an allocation of 32 hards and 16 softs #RallyMexico http://pic.twitter.com/QErVU6XrvQ

[nafpaktos]

Miika Wuorela‏*@MiikaWuorela
JML and Juho comparing the in-car footage on a bus trip to Mexico City HQ for rally people.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fVYsFVMAADkfT.jpg

bus??no plane??

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gae5JXMAABsxb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gYajcU4AArGXR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gXHCoWAAArUpp.jpg

[danon]

waiting for the season to begin...

https://www.mexicanjokes.net/images/funnymexican.gif

[EightGear]

bus??no plane??
Bus from the airport to the city/rally HQ I think.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gfFb4XQAUP3RP.jpg


its raining

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6gm05vWcAEMMpS.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Michelin is introducing a new soft-compound gravel tyre. The LTX Force S5 is more durable & more consistent than the former S4. https://t.co/eIlHXQZpDH

[AL14]

any link for sss1 stream? too early?

[stefanvv]

too early?

yes. Starts at 4am

[AL14]

yes. Starts at 4am

they're running now according to itinerary on wrc.com

[danon]

waiting for the season to begin...

https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0ISvMpnpadL8O4M/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdPZnGrf8FmdH8c/source.gif

[eddy707]

If Bertelli has got some time in the car he should post a good time. He's usually quick on the narrow city stages. Let's hope Neuville doesn't bin it straight away as there are some haye bales I assume. :D

[danon]

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17201434_10154384959995754_2527875431370727675_n.j pg?oh=d6da6d56153d781c6e6c0c63661ef4e9&oe=59332D94

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17191918_10154385091500754_7278813636746075100_o.j pg?oh=c10c6ec0780a1baeaf2dd125c6ff472c&oe=5969F0BC

[PLuto]

Stage is running, but in reverse order. Stream will be only to WRC cars (or maybe also WRC2).

[PLuto]

Last year first city superspecial stage in Guanajuato was interesting with tunnels and some nice corners. Cars were going in three minute gaps, so everything was going step by step, all the time there was nice things to watch.

This stage in Mexico City is only one big bad joke. With schedule and also with the road...

[Andre Oliveira]

Agree :) Bad bad bad

[danon]

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17190509_1284928654894230_914672791854012987_n.jpg ?oh=4e8de91edbd69279ce2152cc6224fc26&oe=5960EEB6

https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17203032_10155133478869661_7630833033163647717_n.j pg?oh=7608965f6d67e7e04c64a1bf107ea72a&oe=597310C5

[danon]

RALLY MÉXICO: Watch the @tv4guanajuato LIVE STREAM from México City here! ▶︎ https://t.co/M0vgKEx71G ���� @RallyMexico @OfficialWRC #WRC

[danon]

LIVE STREAM - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKVQtXH2b8&feature=youtu.be

[Andre Oliveira]

Live facebook broadcast: https://www.facebook.com/tv4guanajuato/videos/1389294154425735/

[danon]

Neuville went hard on the brakes and stall the engine prior to jump...

[Rally Hokkaido]

Stage times stopped appearing on ewrc and rallybase after WRC2 runs....

[Rally Hokkaido]

Evans took over 2 mins. Rain getting heavier or running-in the new engine?

[danon]

Evans took over 2 mins. Rain getting heavier or running-in the new engine?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k214/The_VJC/balls1cm.jpg

[danon]

Ogier did a lot of mistakes... he doesn't feel comfy in a ford at all

[steve.mandzij]

Ogier did a lot of mistakes... he doesn't feel comfy in a ford at all
Seems M-Sport will do everything they can to nurture the car to his liking... Screw Tanak, right?

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[danon]

http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/fia-world-rally-championship-live-streaming

[Rally Hokkaido]

Stage times stopped appearing on ewrc and rallybase after WRC2 runs....

Ah, I was confused because they have decided that SS1 is split in to two runs, SS1X and SS1Y....and Evans managed a 1.54.5secs '6th fastest in 'X'..apologies to him.

[PLuto]

Stage times stopped appearing on ewrc and rallybase after WRC2 runs....

It is because they were waiting for LIVE. Schedule of that joke is crazy...

[Hasselhoax]

Ogier leaving the lights off for that extra tenth in pace.

[EstWRC]

Gary Boyd‏ @KiwiWRCfan 1h1 hour ago
More
Juho Hanninen stage win today means Kris Meeke & Hayden Paddon are only main team drivers without 2017 stage win.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6hujoNVAAEHzrD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6hc8T9U4AEcHWj.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_03_2017/post-177-0-60913100-1489119391.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17192501_730411283796884_656469309485404703_o.jpg? oh=243720cdef2f4bc86744db4be3a7c578&oe=592ED548
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17191687_730411443796868_8877440165054247261_o.jpg ?oh=f5da9b6f2f0afcb0da8161bafe6883c7&oe=596B2F5D
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17159229_730411340463545_6424039474559690294_o.jpg ?oh=dc37f9e3751078f1e6b88bf164f842b8&oe=596364B3
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17211783_730492260455453_696301372445191564_o.jpg? oh=c2eba44603c41aca206eb359a322a2b9&oe=596FE863
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17159187_730492183788794_2954139974817098824_o.jpg ?oh=4001ed299b28c5a9d49f4bef80a9c9a2&oe=592EB743
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17158940_730492337122112_1801953290782199543_o.jpg ?oh=13b6af06c98e75004fc2924480ad9f0b&oe=596EB990
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17157459_730492433788769_3739605493163821522_o.jpg ?oh=10c32231d8e099ffefb18f7f1db8bf36&oe=592AA541

[liposh]

Poor Bibendum. he is smiling but it is bitter smile, because they refused to make selfie with him because of his body. :/

[beta_racing]

Ogier leaving the lights off for that extra tenth in pace.

Ogier drove without the extra lights because of that text in Bulletin 1:

"11. Fitting and use of extra lights
For all drivers that have installed extra lights on their car, these extra lights must remain switched off during SS1y, unless otherwise authorised by the Clerk of the Course. Any infringement will be reported to the Stewards."

If prior to SS1y running it was still not autorised to use them after the mentioned decision, then everybody who used them on that stage must be penalised at Stewards' discretion!
If it was autorised later on, then we might start to think about the "conspiracy" of Ogier turning the lights off in order to gain some extra power :rolleyes: :D
Please, before writing subjective comments, first consult yourself with the official documents of the rally...

[Simmi]

Strange to have this SS0 stage. TV coverage was very confusing. Despite all the drivers mentioning a second run it was never referenced on commentary. Everyone would come away thinking Ogier was leading the rally when in fact it was Hanninen.

Okay it is a nothing special stage, but that's still a live global TV broadcast and Toyota just lost a bit of PR there. How hard would it have been to just change the stage numbers to 1 and 2?

Will also be interesting to see whether that stage runs next year. Very long day for all involved on the rally.

[beta_racing]

How hard would it have been to just change the stage numbers to 1 and 2?

Simmi, it was hard enough to change it because at the very last moment, they've decided to run it twice while everything on the itinerary was ready months before that for just one run.
If you've ever been involved in rally organising, you'd know that a change of a special stage number just prior to the rally (and this is, my God, the very first stage!!) would require a change of (almost) all documents of the rally (itinerary, supp. regs., road books, maps, etc.)!

On the other hand, I don't know who invented the "SS0" stuff since in the itinerary both stages were named SS1x and SS1y (not SS0 and SS1), no matter how strange was that too (SS1a and SS1b would be more understandable), but that's another topic...

[EstWRC]

the most useless stage i have ever seen, i hope it disappears and never comes back...and the atmosphere was nothing like it has been at Guanajuato city stage in previous years

[sollitt]

waiting for the season to begin
Anyone thinking the season starts now is 50 points behind and in 20th place and likely to stay there.

[sollitt]

Gary Boyd‏ @KiwiWRCfan 1h1 hour ago
More
Juho Hanninen stage win today means Kris Meeke & Hayden Paddon are only main team drivers without 2017 stage win.that'll change very soon.

[EstWRC]

Actually Breen belongs to that list too.

[Simmi]

Simmi, it was hard enough to change it because at the very last moment, they've decided to run it twice while everything on the itinerary was ready months before that for just one run.
If you've ever been involved in rally organising, you'd know that a change of a special stage number just prior to the rally (and this is, my God, the very first stage!!) would require a change of (almost) all documents of the rally (itinerary, supp. regs., road books, maps, etc.)!

On the other hand, I don't know who invented the "SS0" stuff since in the itinerary both stages were named SS1x and SS1y (not SS0 and SS1), no matter how strange was that too (SS1a and SS1b would be more understandable), but that's another topic...

Thanks beta_racing. Good info!

[EstWRC]

welcome to mexico...

Jesse Villalpando‏ @JesseVillalpand 8m8 minutes ago

ATTENTION! Road incident at carretera Mexico-Queretaro has caused that the bridesmaids carrying the WRC cars are detained


Jesse Villalpando‏ @JesseVillalpand 6m6 minutes ago

There is a delay of three hours and a few buses of the Guanajuato Mexico Rally WRC press is also detained


Jesse Villalpando‏ @JesseVillalpand 2m2 minutes ago

CAPUFE has unveiled a lane on the Mexico-Queretaro Highway, the route enabling Leon still is long for the WRC cars



google maps shows 5 hour drive to Leon from Mexico City and the stage is in 6 hours and some cars arent even out of the city according to wrc plus, example Ogier's :rolleyes:

[Simmi]

I can't be the only person who thought this might happen. Big risk to do those big logistical movements within the event.

[bluuford]

I was looking weather forecast. There was also some light rain in some places aronud today stages. Today will be dry but relatively cold for Mexico only between +20 and +25 during the daytime :) And there is already slight chanche of rain today evening.
And there is big risk of heavy rain on Saturday. Maybe less arund Leon and warmer there (upo to +24 degrees) and cooler and more humid in the hills, where temperature might not rise above +18. So, something to mix up a few thigs :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Stupidity at high level this laison. Imagine one accident with the truck :(

[PLuto]

On the other hand, I don't know who invented the "SS0" stuff since in the itinerary both stages were named SS1x and SS1y (not SS0 and SS1), no matter how strange was that too (SS1a and SS1b would be more understandable), but that's another topic...

I think it is because of result systems. Most of programmes has stage numbers ready as only numbers. Nobody expected "stupidities" with added letters...

[PLuto]

the most useless stage i have ever seen, i hope it disappears and never comes back...and the atmosphere was nothing like it has been at Guanajuato city stage in previous years

I completely agree. One of the worst city stages I have ever seen with totally crazy schedule. Three hours of nothing. Waste of time for everyone. What a contrast to Guanajuato stage last year...

[EstWRC]

according to a guy in twitter the cars are 270km-s away from Leon, even less now so it seems they will make it just in time.

[Doon]

I completely agree. One of the worst city stages I have ever seen with totally crazy schedule. Three hours of nothing. Waste of time for everyone. What a contrast to Guanajuato stage last year...

It reminds me of Rally Argentina 2007 when the crews were held up at the airport after the SS and lost a whole day of rallying. Hopefully they will make it to the stages today.

[Simmi]

Really hope we don't lose one of the most meaningful stages of the championship (El Chocolate) for the sake of one of the worst in recent history.

[dimviii]

Stupidity at high level this laison. Imagine one accident with the truck :(


+1 pure stupidity at its finest.
You have to try to make something more stupid.

[dimviii]

Ogier drove without the extra lights because of that text in Bulletin 1:

"11. Fitting and use of extra lights
For all drivers that have installed extra lights on their car, these extra lights must remain switched off during SS1y, unless otherwise authorised by the Clerk of the Course. Any infringement will be reported to the Stewards."

If prior to SS1y running it was still not autorised to use them after the mentioned decision, then everybody who used them on that stage must be penalised at Stewards' discretion!
If it was autorised later on, then we might start to think about the "conspiracy" of Ogier turning the lights off in order to gain some extra power :rolleyes: :D
Please, before writing subjective comments, first consult yourself with the official documents of the rally...

there are video clips with Ogiers lights turned on on the night stage.

[EstWRC]

Morning loop cancelled, ffs :mad:

https://twitter.com/michelin_sport/status/840207364489920512

[Tarmop]

That`s that then, SS2-3 cancelled. Someone said the cars were 130km from to service and moving...a small delay, but it would have been worth it.

[EightGear]

What an epic fail.

[dimviii]

What an epic fail.

they fucked whole rally for no reason. 10 years out of wrc imho is fair.

[Tarmop]

Well, the teams liked this idea, probably many others too who could earn from it. Still sucks ofc.

[EstWRC]

I don't even have words for this, so goddamn angry at the moment

[N.O.T]

That is why we need a wall...

[Allar]

Well its bad for the guys with good road position.

[WRC1]

latvala will be the only happy man arround :) only 2 stages as sweeping car :) what a bullshit .....for one showrun of 3km...

[dimviii]

Mexico organisation was waiting 100k visitors at night stage yesterday.
were more than 10k?
they have fail at everything.

Also we have to thing that FIA aprooved this shit.
They liked and they didn't saw any risks.

[Eli]

Can't believe we have to wait four more hours... Just because the organisers are stupid

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[N.O.T]

after that Fiasco the wall just got 10 meters higher.

[Doon]

Why don't the FIA have anyone sensible on the board who would questions such a terrible idea. Didn't anyone learn from the mistakes of Argentina 2007?

Not watched the SSS yet, is it worth bothering?

[N.O.T]

Not watched the SSS yet, is it worth bothering?

can you name a single sss that is worth bothering ?

[EstWRC]

https://www.upload.ee/image/6764673/ygap4_s-200x150.gif

[beta_racing]

there are video clips with Ogiers lights turned on on the night stage.

On which pass of the stage - the first or the second?

As I wrote earlier, according to Bulletin 1, it was forbidden for every of the crews who had extra lights to put them ON on the SECOND PASS of the stage (i.e. SS1y) unless it is later decided otherwise by the CoC.

I haven't watched the stage so far and I don't know if subsequenlty this rule was cancelled by the CoC, so I don't know who was with lights ON or OFF on SS1y. All I quoted was the rule, and if it was still valid at the start of SS1y, then everyone with lights ON while running it, should be penalised, that's all! I don't care if it was Ogier, Meeke, Latvala, etc.

[dimviii]

really don't know if it was on first pass or second ,just saw some clips at twitter with Ogier.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki‏*@HartusvuoriWRC
With morning loop cancelled in @RallyMexico, if they loose El Chocolate 2 as well, we will see maximum 50% points awarded from the event.

[satukata]

I think they will cancel all day... Many cars are still in Mexico city!! What h.ll is happening????

[satukata]

Idiots!!

[Eli]

So we are (possibly) going to lose 154.85Km of competitive action purely because of the organizers wanted a short 3 Km street stage in Mexico City,wow. Indeed stupidity has reached new heights in Mexico.

[PLuto]

Well, the teams liked this idea, probably many others too who could earn from it. Still sucks ofc.

I dont understand that this stupid city stage can bring anything. Maybe more money for organiser from the hosting city...

[PLuto]

And I still havent seen any OFFICIAL statement about the situation...

[dimviii]

''force majeure'' ............

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6kNpnFV0AAo-lc.jpg

[AL14]

This gif represent our day

http://i.imgur.com/oJG3B.gif

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres

Goes from bad to worse for @ElfynEvans - with time penalty he is set to be 1st on road tomorrow. So today was a big day, now lost 2 stages..

[satukata]

Can somebody explain what have happened in Mexico City?

[Tarmop]

Something about a traffic jam caused by an accident. Some say that the cars are (actually were 1h ago) 130 km from service. Maybe just an early siesta.

[josedesigner]

Hi, the cars are closer to Leon city, few cars has the GPS turn on, the others show that they are still in Mexico City, all these from WRC+

[josedesigner]

1268

[Mintexmemory]

Cancelling genuine competitive distance should have been the last resort. Starting the day at 1330 (or whenever), running the 4 gravel stages and cancelling the evening Mickey Mouse stuff was the sensible approach.
Why the hell didn't the fools ship the cars back to Leon overnight and ensure longer daylight availability, if not some additional competitive gravel section?

[josedesigner]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6j922HVAAEYlwi.jpg

[KKS]

they approaching to Leon now.

[beta_racing]

Cancelling genuine competitive distance should have been the last resort. Starting the day at 1330 (or whenever), running the 4 gravel stages and cancelling the evening Mickey Mouse stuff was the sensible approach.
Why the hell didn't the fools ship the cars back to Leon overnight and ensure longer daylight availability, if not some additional competitive gravel section?

The first "twists" of itinerary which you've suggested are simply not possible...this is a (WRC) rally, not some "village" race.

On the other hand, your second question is more sensible...I was wandering the same. Can't find any reason why the trucks didn't go immediately to Leon after the end of the second pass of SS1, but as late as in the morning?? Maybe some ban for big tracks in the night in Mexico, or?

[EstWRC]

yes, only 13km's left, i dont get why they dont just delay the morning stages, it would take only half an hour or hour to delay

[Mirek]

What a farce...

[Gregor-y]

Why the hell didn't the fools ship the cars back to Leon overnight and ensure longer daylight availability, if not some additional competitive gravel section?
Hay tiempo.

[N.O.T]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.

[GeoFerg_Sco]

Crazy! Still no mention of it on the wrc website. Do Mexico have any further wrc rounds? Or is it all negotiated year on year?

[stefanvv]

"The season begins in Mexico". Yeah sure. Epic fail indeed.

[Gregor-y]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.

Good luck getting anything in the US with our general legal situation, let alone the idiocy of our new government when it comes to travel. Canada, on the other hand, is a good option and it's still fairly easy to cross that border.

[PLuto]

Crazy! Still no mention of it on the wrc website. Do Mexico have any further wrc rounds? Or is it all negotiated year on year?

This is normal for WRC. Their level of information is sometimes crazy. Especially official results page...

[PLuto]

Cars are in Leon

https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17265285_10212246855192445_2455836409738312710_n.j pg?oh=6939b70adcabdcd718b5bd55175d5bcc&oe=59698C8D

[EstWRC]

Cars are there, cmon!!! just start the stage 30 mins later cmonnnnnnn!!!!

[Eli]

Crazy! Still no mention of it on the wrc website. Do Mexico have any further wrc rounds? Or is it all negotiated year on year?

they signed an agreement last year to be in the WRC calendar for 2017-2018 & perhaps 2019...indeed what a farce.

[dimviii]

ŠKODA Motorsport‏*@MotorsportSkoda
The reason for the cancellation: A major accident involving non-rally vehicles closed the motorway between #MexicoCity and #Leon for 6 hours

[EstWRC]

they couldnt take another road?

[ZequeArgentina]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.

I was about to answer this post, when I noticed who was posting it. No need to do anything else.

[KKS]

they can run 2 cancelled stages at sunday, after PS? no??

[satukata]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.

Where are you from? 3rd world country like Greece?

[jparker]

Good luck getting anything in the US with our general legal situation, let alone the idiocy of our new government when it comes to travel. Canada, on the other hand, is a good option and it's still fairly easy to cross that border.

Are you planning to keep Trump until next year?

[janvanvurpa]

after that Fiasco the wall just got 10 meters higher.

If there's a wall built I know what side you will be on...

or more correctly back on.

[jparker]

they can run 2 cancelled stages at sunday, after PS? no??

I can't recall cancelled stages ever been run at later time. Are there any?

[janvanvurpa]

Why don't the FIA have anyone sensible on the board who would questions such a terrible idea. Didn't anyone learn from the mistakes of Argentina 2007?

Not watched the SSS yet, is it worth bothering?

That's the real question..all these geniuses cussing mexico --Mexican rally officials--who I understand hire in a bunch of Frenchies...but whatever they cook up---including the idiotic idea of a Plaza de Mexico Stupor Special--must be approved and blessed by FIA..

The whole gawddam sport has been turned around in so many ways all for one thing: entertain the uninterested, un-engaged consumer.
So this is nothing unusual in that point of view..

A made for TV mentality. Could have done this with CGI... Because all that was important was the background of Plaza de Mexico...and the crowds..

WRC TV fawks with the speed of the cars, they could do this on site where the stages are and just generate a appropriate background--and sounds.

That's all that counts anymore.

[A FONDO]

I still don't get it, why they didn't just delay today's itinerary with an hour or two?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

[dimviii]

Matt Jelonek‏*@MattJelonek
Eric Camilli's R5 Fiesta has slightly derailed off the Transporter and now stuck... #WRC #RallyMexico

[dodge33cymru]

Really feel for the local fans who have this one chance to see WRC cars in the flesh, have taken a day off work, gotten up early and trekked into the hills to watch a couple of passes of only 20 cars and are now only going to see half as much because of this farce.

We can be annoyed about not being able to follow the sport on timing screens and via radio, but those are the guys we should have the most empathy for IMO.

8 SSS' in a single rally also seems ridiculous.

[WRC1]

Matt Jelonek‏*@MattJelonek
Eric Camilli's R5 Fiesta has slightly derailed off the Transporter and now stuck... #WRC #RallyMexico

this and the fact that organiseres are not able to bring back the cars in time makes N.O.T. ´s statement about 3rd world country a reality...sorry, but this is simply dump..

[jparker]

I still don't get it, why they didn't just delay today's itinerary with an hour or two?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

In this case, the last 3 stages must be delayed, and it's getting too late. Note, SS6 is "Street Stage" and 7 and 8 are SSS

[Lead]

This is so stupid... really feel sorry for the guys already in the stages. Brutal.

[SubaruNorway]

On which pass of the stage - the first or the second?

As I wrote earlier, according to Bulletin 1, it was forbidden for every of the crews who had extra lights to put them ON on the SECOND PASS of the stage (i.e. SS1y) unless it is later decided otherwise by the CoC.

I haven't watched the stage so far and I don't know if subsequenlty this rule was cancelled by the CoC, so I don't know who was with lights ON or OFF on SS1y. All I quoted was the rule, and if it was still valid at the start of SS1y, then everyone with lights ON while running it, should be penalised, that's all! I don't care if it was Ogier, Meeke, Latvala, etc.

Everyone but Ogier used the pods on SS1y as far as i can tell, Ogier turned them on after a while when he couldn't see a jump. WRC TV probably wanted them off but it was too dark.

[spiderem]

fock... i was looking forward to my lunch break to get some wrc action, and now this...
only topic now is people arguing if Ogier had his lights on or off! Not the most exciting rally so far

[Krigen]

Exactly.

[BicioWrc]

Crazyness...i think their could simply delay the start of stage of 2 hours....there are just 30 cars, and 5 hours between first and second loop of the stage

[dimviii]

new itenary
http://www.rallymexico.com/files/rep/1.6_Bulletin_No._6.pdf

[PLuto]

8 SSS' in a single rally also seems ridiculous.

Red Bull Media House likes SSS...

[EstWRC]

its the same, just without the 2 first stages, why the hell they didnt bring SS4 and SS5 to earlier time now? man i must go there myself

[A FONDO]

new itenary
http://www.rallymexico.com/files/rep/1.6_Bulletin_No._6.pdf

Great, they sacked two proper stages to save the three ridiculous SSS.

[PLuto]

new itenary
http://www.rallymexico.com/files/rep/1.6_Bulletin_No._6.pdf

So nothing new, it is like it was planned...

[Sulland]

Strange logistic concept, and a max unlucky rally organizer. Feel for them.

But the stewards solved the situation in a strange, and a not very flexible manner.

[EstWRC]

Great, they sacked two proper stages to save the three ridiculous SSS.

it should be jerk of the course there not clerk of the course

[PLuto]

Updated startlist to TC3 - https://rally-base.com/2017/rally-guanajuato-mexico-2017/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=746

[satukata]

I´m VERY disappointed!!

[amilk]

I would blame the FIA and the promoter who approved this. It's normal that organisers try to dream big and new things to sell better the event. But FIA who must say "stop" it's to much or too risky. Branch of amateaurs.

[Eli]

I would blame the FIA and the promoter who approved this. It's normal that organisers try to dream big and new things to sell better the event. But FIA who must say "stop" it's to much or too risky. Branch of amateaurs.
Bunch of amateurs?

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[KKS]

its the same, just without the 2 first stages, why the hell they didnt bring SS4 and SS5 to earlier time now? man i must go there myself
It better to have more time with that situation despite try run one or two stages with "rush time" for car preparing, it could be worse. So now this decision looks quite fine

[Mintexmemory]

....and people thought China would be a good idea! Rallying isn't a truly global sport and if long haul is needed then South Africa, Australia and NZ would all be preferable.

[Eli]

....and people thought China would be a good idea! Rallying isn't a truly global sport and if long haul is needed then South Africa, Australia and NZ would all be preferable.

and perhaps Japan & Canada

[steve.mandzij]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.
I shouldn't answer this, but for attacking Argentina, screw you.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[steve.mandzij]

Honestly, being a third world country or a long haul event has nothing to do with what's gone on here. It was just pure bad fortune. The FIA should learn not that long haul events to poorer countries than their own are a bad idea, but that holding a super special stage far from the rally center (I.e. the capital city).

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[dupanton]

This has nothing to do with Mexico or any "third world country" as it is called here.
Putting the cars on a truck for 500km to do 3km of SSS, is just stupid. Stupid in every single way. What if a truck has a crash? SSS are ok for the big public when they are relatively close to rally HQ or the stages, although boring for the real fans. If you want to organise a stage in the capital city, then move the rally to an area close to the capital. Or stay away from it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

As usual these days, money is what it's all about... sport comes second...

"There is a real interest in going to a city like Mexico. There are 24 million people. We are really meeting potential customers that we do not touch in the Leon region. This is a request from the manufacturers to go to the public", confirms Matton.

[stefanvv]

"There is a real interest in going to a city like Mexico. There are 24 million people. We are really meeting potential customers that we do not touch in the Leon region. This is a request from the manufacturers to go to the public", confirms Matton.

There is Your solution mr. Matton:


If you want to organise a stage in the capital city, then move the rally to an area close to the capital.

If the rally needs to be around the 2 big cities, well then.... How about bring back the marathon rallies, hmm?

[steve.mandzij]

Mr Matton, if you want potential customers, make the C3 competitive and get rid of Lefebvre.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

[kiil]

Mr Matton, if you want potential customers, make the C3 competitive and get rid of Lefebvre.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Sure, everyone in Mexico City would notice straight away.

[Gregor-y]

If the rally needs to be around the 2 big cities, well then.... How about bring back the marathon rallies, hmm?
Make the crews drive those buzz-bombs from Leon to Mexico City and back. Overnight. Presto, classic rally!

[Rally Power]

As usual these days, money is what it's all about... sport comes second...

"There is a real interest in going to a city like Mexico. There are 24 million people. We are really meeting potential customers that we do not touch in the Leon region. This is a request from the manufacturers to go to the public", confirms Matton.

It's about the money but also about the sport! Come on, do we want WRC and rally sport limited to Europe or do we believe that the series and the sport are fine enough to be developed in other parts of the globe?

It’s not easy to make the sport popular in places were most of the people doesn’t have a clue of what’s rally. That’s the point of these SSS’s: make the rally visible to the general population (9M in Mexico City, 21M on MC Metropolitan area) that otherwise would have none or very little contact with the event.

Ok, apparently there were a lot of flaws on this first attempt, but if we want to see more fans and drivers involved in Mexico Rally or in any other distant country that receives WRC, we should be a bit more supportive and tolerant.

One final thought: ideally this kind of SSS should be run a couple of days prior to the event (at least before shakedown), without making part of the rally itinerary. That way the mess that we’re having today would be avoid. It was done like that a couple of years ago in Portugal Rally: the event was still run on the south but on the Sunday before the start a rally stage/show was run on the streets of the northern city of Porto. It was great and everybody enjoyed it.

[PLuto]

It was great and everybody enjoyed it.

Except drivers ;)

[stefanvv]

Make the crews drive those buzz-bombs from Leon to Mexico City and back. Overnight. Presto, classic rally!

I didn't mean exactly that. There should be proper itinerary in this case.

[PLuto]

It’s not easy to make the sport popular in places were most of the people doesn’t have a clue of what’s rally. That’s the point of these SSS’s: make the rally visible to the general population (9M in Mexico City, 21M on MC Metropolitan area) that otherwise would have none or very little contact with the event.

But do you think THIS type of SSS will bring news spectators? Especially with this schedule of 24 cars during more than 3 hours? With totally boring stage? For me, ideal stage for SSS which should raise interest for rallysport should be stage like it was in Guanajuato - short stage with tunnels and some interesting corners. I dont like donuts or going between barriers and chicanes...

[Rally Power]

Except drivers ;)

Including them. Porto spectators rewarded their effort with unforgettable enthusiasm! ;)

[br21]

What is the weather forecast for those two normal stages today? Some rain possible I heard, which change the situation with road positions

[PLuto]

Including them. Porto spectators rewarded their effort with unforgettable enthusiasm! ;)

If the stage is not mandatory, why not. But if the stage should be mandatory, especially also for smaller teams, it is different story.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I think its time to move the event from mexico to the USA, enough with the charity to 3rd world countries like mexico and Argentina.
Make Rally America great again..

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk

[Eli]

Make Rally America great again..

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk
LoL

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

The question is, will we see another stage cancellation in Argentina..?

If that happen, I'll be seriously pissed..

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk

[stefanvv]

What is the weather forecast for those two normal stages today? Some rain possible I heard, which change the situation with road positions

If it is only "some rain" it might bring front runners in difficult position.

[danon]

still waiting for the season to begin...

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGGFvvSDdRkVWDe/giphy.gif

[Andre Oliveira]

Offtopic: necessary know your phone model every time? ;)

[COD]

I know many here are hard cor rallyfans. And I admit that what has happened here is a disgrace. But you forget one important thing: where iw the money coming from to run the show? Manufacturers and sponsors. If they want a show at big city, that is what they will have. Bacause they are in this for marketing purposes only, not to please a few hard core fans. Sorry

[stefanvv]

I know many here are hard cor rallyfans. And I admit that what has happened here is a disgrace. But you forget one important thing: where iw the money coming from to run the show? Manufacturers and sponsors. If they want a show at big city, that is what they will have. Bacause they are in this for marketing purposes only, not to please a few hard core fans. Sorry

I don't mind city stages. There should be a rally held anyway. What we have now is not.

[satukata]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html live service now

[bassist]

I get all the cash bit- but why send competing cars xxxx miles? What if those trucks had been involved in an accident- how many cars does that wipe out- sorry, absolutely crazy. Bet the teams are right pissed off.

[Meekefan]

And at the end of each championship season is the Portugal rallye always receiving threats to leave the calendar!

[Myrvold]

Why don't try to do it like it was before? Keep the SSS in Mexico City, and then have actual stages moving from Mexico City and towards Leon. Like they used to do.

[KKS]

Leferbve doing 143kph on way to stage
http://i.piccy.info/i9/e82bb1d00433fd6cbe700a79a5b7a296/1489183076/35225/1052502/146_Leferbve.jpg
Some speeding fee from rally org will be?

[Zeakiwi]

Leferbve doing 143kph on way to stage
http://i.piccy.info/i9/e82bb1d00433fd6cbe700a79a5b7a296/1489183076/35225/1052502/146_Leferbve.jpg
Some speeding fee from rally org will be?

At La Carrera Pan Americana 3 years ago the police were showing the competitors they could do 200 km/h. 143km/h might be bad data

[KKS]

he do this in consistency... +/- 5kph
looks like true

[spiderem]

ok, let's get started, at last!

[eddy707]

Any facebook streams?

[dimviii]

Msport 3 Michelin LTX Force S5 & 2 Michelin LTX H4
Toyota 4 H4 & 1 S5
Citroën 2 H4 & 4 S5
Paddon 3 S5 & 2 H4
@thierryneuville & @DaniSordo (@HMSGOfficial): 5 Michelin LTX Force S5

[eddy707]

By the way, can someone explain to me what is that audio(service park?) coming from wrc plus live maps and how to disable it?

[satukata]

Msport 3 Michelin LTX Force S5 & 2 Michelin LTX H4
Toyota 4 H4 & 1 S5
Citroën 2 H4 & 4 S5
Paddon 3 S5 & 2 H4
@thierryneuville & @DaniSordo (@HMSGOfficial): 5 Michelin LTX Force S5

Last year soft was better choice in first leg... Hope JM didn´t lose too much...

[satukata]

By the way, can someone explain to me what is that audio(service park?) coming from wrc plus live maps and how to disable it?

I have same problem :(

[satukata]

splits not working :( at last.. first split after 9 min driving...

[dimviii]

#tyre info #WRC2
@PontusTidemand: 4 Michelin LTX Force H90 & 2 Michelin LTX Force S80
@EricCamilli: 3 S80 & 2 H90

[Googol]

splits not working :( at last.. first split after 9 min driving...

First split is at 11 km according to the radio. so it obviously takes time. I think there used to be more splits with the old splits provider.

[tc10a]

-11.8 for Ogier on Split 1

[janvanvurpa]

and perhaps Japan & Canada

The entire sport at all levels is too small in Canada. 1 or maybe 2 homologated cars in the entire country.
Fun roads but where events go there's not near enough people or housing.. I have many friend there and wish them well and admire the lower key level and atmosphere compare with the truly "village level" (and I'm being generous as I can) we have in the US, but its just too small..where would workers come from?
Also the roads are by and large HUGE...speeds are VERY high and that's with very mild cars driven by people who could not do more than 50th or 60th place in a WRC event and that's the best of them..

The counties are all bankrupt or nearly so so for 30 years road maintenance on smaller forest roads has fallen off leaving only bigger 'county" roads.. As an example in 1996 in first ever Canadian nation, and event still run Perce Niege, it was -40, pure clear ice, we had only snow tires, non studs allowed and I had average speeds of a bit over 100km/hr in my modest little Saab V4 ---with zero grip...I spun and did a full 360* rotation and didn't hit anything cause the road was as wide as a motorway... It's would be very hard to keep most of the top 20 under the 80 mph/130 km/hr average...

Sorry, forget Canada, and definitely forget Fortress America (and that's not even considering the problem of getting people INTO USA with this moron Orange thing with the dead animal on his head that is in the White House we have elected).

[satukata]

autch... ogier crazy much faster....

[mknight]

By the way, can someone explain to me what is that audio(service park?) coming from wrc plus live maps and how to disable it?

Click on the "service park" at the bottom left side, this opens the live feed. There you can stop it.
EDIT: second button from right "live"

[AL14]

autch... ogier crazy much faster....

I think Latvala could have made a little mistake. It would mean almost 1minute advantage from Ogier at the end of the stage... a bit too much.

[satukata]

ogier 1sec/km faster... so -54sec comeing

[eddy707]

Click on the "service park" at the bottom left side, this opens the live feed. There you can stop it.
EDIT: second button form the right "live"

Thank You very much!

[tc10a]

-4.7 for Tänak in comparison to Latvala at split 1

[EstWRC]

Ogier much faster with his experience, crazy

[eddy707]

JML stopped?
or is that just a bug

[Mintexmemory]

I think Latvala could have made a little mistake. It would mean almost 1minute advantage from Ogier at the end of the stage... a bit too much.
Or maybe the Toyota isn't great in sweeping mode!

[satukata]

I think hard tyre is wrong choice for toyota

[tc10a]

Sordo -13.4 faster as Latvlala

[KKS]

Oh what a split from Sordo.... can't wait to see Meeke's one

[Rallyper]

Looks like JML stopped, yes.

[Eli]

Sordo faster by 13.4 seconds on the first split...

[EightGear]

Sordo -13.4 faster as Latvlala
1.6

[tc10a]

Looks like JML stopped, yes.

Seems like GPS glitch, as last gps data had 92 km/h.

[Rallyper]

Seems like GPS glitch, as last gps data had 92 km/h.

However speed is same, static.

[Googol]

However speed is same, static.

It's usually 0 if the car is stopped. Of course it may be stopped, but it was moving when the map got data last time.

[tc10a]

However speed is same, static.
Yes, but in 9 from 10 examples with this system if it is a real stop the speed is already 0 or nearly 0

[Rallyper]

Confirmed JML is on the move. No stop then. Puh!!

[dimviii]

DMACK Tyres‏*@DMACK_Tyres
Elfyn Evans has 3 DMACK DMG+2 GS62 soft and two GH23 hard on board. Benito Guerra has 5 DMG+22 GS62 soft. Game on!

[tc10a]

But Evans now stopped but continued

[AL14]

Evans stopped

[Eli]

Evans started again

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

[stefanvv]

Msport 3 Michelin LTX Force S5 & 2 Michelin LTX H4
Toyota 4 H4 & 1 S5
Citroën 2 H4 & 4 S5
Paddon 3 S5 & 2 H4
@thierryneuville & @DaniSordo (@HMSGOfficial): 5 Michelin LTX Force S5

Risky tyre choice for Neuville & Sordo I think.

[eddy707]

Confirmed JML is on the move. No stop then. Puh!!

Good to hear.
We need Jari and Ott to not let Ogier run away in the championship :)

[tc10a]

Ogier flying or problems for Tänak : -27 seconds to Tänak in split 2

[EightGear]

Tanak with a big gap to Ogier already.

[dimviii]

Risky tyre choice for Neuville & Sordo I think.

there is e new soft compound from Michelin,so we don't know how ''soft'' it is, compared to previous one.
Lets see

[er88]

Tanak nowhere

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[nafpaktos]

guys you get the split times from radio?

[Mintexmemory]

Paddon also a mega first split - Ogier won't be worried by that though! He might be unhappy that he's sweeping the next stage!

[satukata]

guys you get the split times from radio?

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html abd click SPLIT TIMES

[dimviii]

guys you get the split times from radio?

splits working fine for me

[bluuford]

Tanak with a big gap to Ogier already.
They could have different tyres for the stage. both hav 3S and 2 H, can run 1H+3 S or 2h+2S

[tc10a]

Hänninen very slow on split 1
+22.7 to Sordo

[nafpaktos]

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/livecenter/page/4175----.html abd click SPLIT TIMES
i just see <no data>

[Rallyper]

Hänninen very slow on split 1
+22.7 to Sordo

Very slow?

[KKS]

Hänninen very slow on split 1
+22.7 to Sordo
hard tyres :(

[satukata]

Juho Hanninens first split is really bad. hard tyre wrong choice

[danon]

change browser ^

[KKS]

Meeke! What a great split! C'mon!

[AL14]

Meeke good 1st split

[Rallyper]

Meeke´s flying!!

[René]

Meeke !

[er88]

Pure domination from Meeke at that split

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[bluuford]

Ahaa this is the stage where Ott had his recce incident with truck.. so, might be also some notes problems

[tc10a]

Bertelli stopped

[spiderem]

meeke will catch up hanninen in the stage at this rate

[EstWRC]

must be a problem for Tänak

[BigWorm]

Keep it on the road now, Kris

[dimviii]

Meeke faster now

[Mintexmemory]

Actually Meeke is probably over the limit - a crash is coming I fear.

[focus206]

Meeke don't fly out of the road, please.

[spiderem]

surely problem for Tanak?

[er88]

That pace from Meeke can't be sustainable lads

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[Rallyper]

JML should be at finish by now!

[Rallyper]

40:48,2 on JML at finish.

[AL14]

Ogier's going to be 1 minute faster than Latvala.
Seems Toyota is struggling in gravel.

[Mintexmemory]

Sordo lost 10 seconds on third split to Ogier!

[Eli]

JML has finished the stage. they have no brakes...

[spiderem]

ogier is posting good time considering road position. This whole communication about not feeling well yet in the fiesta before the rally, once again he is fooling everybody.

[Rallyper]

Splits don´t work on wrc.com

[Eli]

Splits don´t work on wrc.com
can't say I'm surprised...

[er88]

Seb rattled by an engine worry

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[Rallyper]

Ogier concerned. Overheating problems.

[KKS]

JML have freezing dot on wrc+ cuz he switched into road mode and it can make trouble with gps

[eddy707]

This is going to be a tough rally for everyone