Deutschland rally 2016

[Meekefan]

Hi everyone,

I am opening this thread about Deustchland rally 2016, for some help with the stages and spots.

I will go for the first time to see this rallye, and I would like to get some recommendations about good spots and the most famous spots. I like "flat out" zones, how we can see in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jfDe12UgoI

00:15
00:46
00:50

If You could recommend some places to see, I would appreciate.

Thank you!

[hari]

00:46 - Stage Moselland, approx here:
https://www.google.at/maps/place/49%C2%B053'25.3%22N+6%C2%B055'21.9%22E/@49.8878288,6.920948,804m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d49.89037!4d6 .922747
but this year in other direction

00:50 Shakedown, here - same direction:
https://www.google.at/maps/place/49%C2%B040'46.7%22N+6%C2%B035'18.8%22E/@49.6796359,6.5867234,633m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d49.67963 3!4d6.588558

[Meekefan]

Hello hari!

Thank you very much for your help. Do you think that Mosellan stage keep interesting in the reverse direction? There is some spots that you could recommend in this stage?

In saturday, could be possible to see Arena Panzerplate and Panzerplate Lang in the same place, because Arena Panzerplate has a point very near to Panzerplate Lang. Where is the famous jump in Panzerplate Lang?

If you or someone could indicate more interesting spots would be great help for me. Is the first time I will go to deutschland rally and would like to enjoy at maximum!

Once again, Thank You!

[hari]

Hello hari!

Thank you very much for your help. Do you think that Mosellan stage keep interesting in the reverse direction? There is some spots that you could recommend in this stage?

In saturday, could be possible to see Arena Panzerplate and Panzerplate Lang in the same place, because Arena Panzerplate has a point very near to Panzerplate Lang. Where is the famous jump in Panzerplate Lang?

If you or someone could indicate more interesting spots would be great help for me. Is the first time I will go to deutschland rally and would like to enjoy at maximum!

Once again, Thank You!


Moselland is also in this years direction very nice stage. Lots of nice places in the vineyards above Piesport.

Gina Jump at Panzerplatte:
https://www.google.at/maps/place/49%C2%B038'43.1%22N+7%C2%B020'00.6%22E/@49.645318,7.3313233,718m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d49.64531 8!4d7.333512

Arena Panzerplatte and Panzerplatte Lang: Its possible to watch both stages from places close to another, the stages even share some crossings. But these are probably not so spectacular places (lots of junctions).

[Mintexmemory]

Gina jump is probably the most over-hyped and disappointing jump in the whole calendar. Go for a Panzerplatte location that offers greater car viewing time.

[Meekefan]

As always, quantity does not mean quality:) and the best I think would be see less stages. I am thinking to make a recce of thess stages on the days before the rally.

Surely, the stages to see would be Moselland on friday, panzerplate lang on saturday and Drhontal on sunday.

Thank You for your advices.

[Meekefan]

Hello Mintermemory,

could you indicate some good place in panzerplate lang?

Thanks a lot!

[Meekefan]

Someone knows where I can find a description of the spots recommended by organization? I can not find in the official website.

[Mintexmemory]

Hello Mintermemory,

could you indicate some good place in panzerplate lang?

Thanks a lot!

There are difficulties with panzerplatte lang in that spectators are discouraged from being there - indeed (and correct me if I'm wrong other forum members) some are 'eingang verboten' military zones. I will sift through my maps and files in the next week and post some advice.

[Simmi]

Someone knows where I can find a description of the spots recommended by organization? I can not find in the official website.

The best thing to do is keep checking on the official website for when the programmes become available. They will mail them out abroad and then you'll have all the maps and spectator zones. Should give you plenty of time or organise the trip.

[Meekefan]

There are difficulties with panzerplatte lang in that spectators are discouraged from being there - indeed (and correct me if I'm wrong other forum members) some are 'eingang verboten' military zones. I will sift through my maps and files in the next week and post some advice.

Would be a great help for me. Thank you.

[Meekefan]

The best thing to do is keep checking on the official website for when the programmes become available. They will mail them out abroad and then you'll have all the maps and spectator zones. Should give you plenty of time or organise the trip.

Yes, I will check official website with regulariry. Thank you for your advice.

[MOSSY]

Guys
Its been a few years now since I have been to Germany for the WRC. Can you tell me if I need to purchase tickets for the stages or are the tickets for the super specials.... If I need to buy tickets am I better ordering them online and having them delivered to the UK or buying them when I arrive in Germany??????
thanks

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Deutschland Rallye http://goo.gl/F83Dqq

[Andre Oliveira]

When entry list is published?

[Meekefan]

Hello everyone.

Someone could me say if the spot that appears at time 2:03 (Dhrontal stage) of the following video is a spectator zone, and if not, what the best way to reach it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn_YUlSNkaE

Thank You very much.

[tc10a]

Hello everyone.

Someone could me say if the spot that appears at time 2:03 (Dhrontal stage) of the following video is a spectator zone, and if not, what the best way to reach it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn_YUlSNkaE

Thank You very much.

No numbered spectator Zone, its here:
https://www.google.at/maps/place/49%C2%B051'34.6%22N+6%C2%B054'58.3%22E/@49.8596134,6.9140113,698m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d49.85961 !4d6.9162?hl=de

[Meekefan]

tac10a, thank You so much.

Do you think that would be easy to reach the spot walking early by morning, for example, two hours before of the beggining? My intention is to leave the car on the L155 road (near of the L156 crossroad) and walk a little on the stage. What You think?

Thank You!

[tc10a]

tac10a, thank You so much.

Do you think that would be easy to reach the spot walking early by morning, for example, two hours before of the beggining? My intention is to leave the car on the L155 road (near of the L156 crossroad) and walk a little on the stage. What You think?

Thank You!

Yes, always plenty of people there.
From L155 it is quite uphill, so maybe easier to to access from North via L157 and then walk down the hill.

[Meekefan]

That is a good idea also. I saw that L155 will make part of the stage, so will be impossible to take the car there.

Thank You for your advices!

[jbmarcus21]

Entrylist is published ! All Wrc drivers + 1DS3Wrc with Lefebvre ➡ http://goo.gl/F83Dqq

[MM WRC]

Ok, this is a bit exaggerating, but theoretically no less than eight works teams have entered! VW and Hyundai for sure, Citroen and Ford aren't really works but the manufacturers are involved anyway, Skoda and Peugeot in WRC2 and Renault Sport and Opel in two-wheel-drive category.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hrmmmmm... One Citroen and I don't believe VW will win Germany!

[pantealex]

Hrmmmmm... One Citroen and I don't believe VW will win Germany!

Hyundai ?

Ogier will win!

[N.O.T]

Breen needs Germany and Geramny needs Breen... That is why i hate with a passion this limited program bullshit.

A driver needs constant rally time to develop, Breen has the momentum from Finland and Germany would suit him perfectly.

and no Meeke as well.

[rallyfiend]

Germany is moving next year.

Probably why they opted to skip it: limited gains.

[MM WRC]

Hrmmmmm... One Citroen and I don't believe VW will win Germany!

I don't either. VW is not optimized for tarmac, it's more a gravel car. It's just so powerful it has dominated tarmac events in the past years. I think the winner chances are 75% Sordo, 20% Neuville and 5% someone else.

[EstWRC]

Well, germany now is Lefebvres chance to shine. Although i think based on poland and finland the choice has been made in citroen that Breen will partner Meeke.

[dimviii]

for sure pressure is on Lefebvre.Previous rally he binned it while was close with Breen.

[Mirek]

I don't either. VW is not optimized for tarmac, it's more a gravel car. It's just so powerful it has dominated tarmac events in the past years. I think the winner chances are 75% Sordo, 20% Neuville and 5% someone else.

Polo is very much based on Fabia S2000 (the suspension scheme aside of different damper supplier is basically same) and that one was arguably the best asphalt car at least for rough asphalts in central Europe. I would say that it's better to say that VW drivers prefer gravel (including Ogier) than that the car isn't so good on asphalt.

[danon]

... I would say that it's better to say that... - lost it...

Polo based on Skoda...LOoOL... good joke, Sir.

Did Ogier share it to YOU privately he prefer gravel, Sir Mirek?

[N.O.T]

- lost it...

Polo based on Skoda...LOoOL... good joke, Sir.

Did Ogier share it to YOU privately he prefer gravel, Sir Mirek?

Stick to photoshops. Both cars share the same PQ24 platform from VW.

[danon]

^ from VW!

[danon]

^
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http://atm5lnbob3rvynvja2v0lmnvbq00.g00.photobucket.com/g00/TU9SRVBIRVVTMyRodHRwOi8vaTM5LnBob3RvYnVja2V0LmNvbS 9hbGJ1bXMvZTE5NS9Qcmltcm9zZVN1ZS9BTEYvQWxmMy0xLmpw Zw%3D%3D/$/$/$/$/$

[Mirek]

There are only two rallycars in the world using same position of dampers - Fabia S2000 and Polo WRC. Is that an accident when VW was using Fabia S2000 as a benchmark and basis in the development? Even Willi Rampf, technical director of VW Motorsport, said the suespension mounting points of both cars are same (the interview was posted here: http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?24898-VW-News-2012-amp-WRC-2013&p=919601&viewfull=1#post919601 but sadly the host website is gone).

[danon]

Stick to photoshops. Both cars share the same PQ24 platform from VW.

RUN YOUR BIKE or Skoda if you can afford one - not YOUR MOUTH

JERK not - READ a lot -> Volkswagen! Group A0/PQ24 platform -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_A0_platform

Get in touch with the bohemian dude to get a discount.
Skoda is your car!

[Mirek]

Both platforms are near identical. The difference is that stock PQ24 is 2WD only while PQ25 is PQ24 per default addopted for 4WD. For WRC/S2000 suspension mounting points it's irrelevant anyway.

[GravelBen]

Did Ogier share it to YOU privately he prefer gravel, Sir Mirek?

Pretty sure he has said it in published interviews a few times, I remember being surprised as I expected him to prefer tarmac.

[danon]

^ Who says the opposite. Read the quote again closely.

[danon]

Dear Bohemian Sir,

Forgive my ignorance, I didn't know dampers positioning is what makes a car being based on another car.

NOT can opt for it on his new Skoda.

That will make him a proud WRC owner.

WBR

[cali]

That is no secret that VW tested basically everything first in a Fabia S2000. Fabia was a mule car.

Danon no more drinks for you.!

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

[Simmi]

Breen needs Germany and Geramny needs Breen... That is why i hate with a passion this limited program bullshit.

A driver needs constant rally time to develop, Breen has the momentum from Finland and Germany would suit him perfectly.

and no Meeke as well.

No Germany is down to Meeke going to China. That's what I heard over the weekend anyway.

[Simmi]

I don't either. VW is not optimized for tarmac, it's more a gravel car. It's just so powerful it has dominated tarmac events in the past years. I think the winner chances are 75% Sordo, 20% Neuville and 5% someone else.

When has Sordo ever gone into a rally with a 75% chance of winning? I think Ogier will destroy the field.

[liposh]

That is no secret that VW tested basically everything first in a Fabia S2000. Fabia was a mule car. Danon no more drinks for you.!


Yep, that´s not a secret. The only person surprised by that fact is danon. We don´t blame VW from anything. it is logical process. I would do it same way having such possibilities. I would copy what can be copied and improve what can be improved. On the other hand I think VW WRC engineers shared a little bit of their "magic" when Skoda was building R5 car. Just a few infos, because WRC and R5 are different cars. (f.e. SACHS dampers)

[TWRC]

When has Sordo ever gone into a rally with a 75% chance of winning? I think Ogier will destroy the field.
Ogier has the best starting position now, and I'm sure he'll try to drag as much dirt onto the road as possible. Unless the Polo gives up or a very unlikely error occurs on his part, he's the clear favorite.

[b3637853]

When has Sordo ever gone into a rally with a 75% chance of winning? I think Ogier will destroy the field.

Agree. Ogier is fastest driver in WRC on tarmac and has the best starting position. Sordo and Neuville can fight for the podium, but I don't how narrow roads and tight hairpins will suit 4-door i20.

[tc10a]

Germany is moving next year.
Probably why they opted to skip it: limited gains.

The "move" is mostly the location of the servicepark, headquarter, shakedown and ceremonial start - the stages will not be much different than now.

"New" servicepark 2017 at Bostalsee will be located where it has already been until it moved to its current location in Trier (2007).

[pantealex]

Didn´t you notice that Lefebvre is PRIVAT entry, not AbuDhabi entry.

[Simmi]

Didn´t you notice that Lefebvre is PRIVAT entry, not AbuDhabi entry.

Yep, will be interesting to see the livery now he's lost Red Bull.

[rallyfiend]

Yep, will be interesting to see the livery now he's lost Red Bull.

When did he lose Red Bull? He still had them in Poland not so long ago.

[Simmi]

When did he lose Red Bull? He still had them in Poland not so long ago.

My bad - I'm sure I read somewhere he had lost that sponsorship. But as you say he is still wearing the caps - same as Elfyn.

[MM WRC]

Unless the Polo gives up or a very unlikely error occurs on his part, he's the clear favorite.

Ogier is very likely to make errors on tarmac. Apart from Monte, because that's where he comes from and thus he knows those roads. Here's some flashback from last year:
Germany: nothing
Corsica: puncture
Spain: crash

And 2014:
Germany: twice out
Alsace: something there as well, don't remember what
Spain: nothing

And this year in Monte he collected some bodywork damage after slightly taking contact with a bridge.

[Marcco]

Ogier is very likely to make errors on tarmac. Apart from Monte, because that's where he comes from and thus he knows those roads. Here's some flashback from last year:
Germany: nothing
Corsica: puncture
Spain: crash

And 2014:
Germany: twice out
Alsace: something there as well, don't remember what
Spain: nothing

And this year in Monte he collected some bodywork damage after slightly taking contact with a bridge.

Also, I think, Ogier has some pressure on himself now. He must win, if he want's to show that he is still the best.

[N.O.T]

What was the longest period or events between wins for Loeb ? Ogier hasn't won since Sweden and thats 6 events.

[danon]

What was the longest period or events between wins for Loeb ? Ogier hasn't won since Sweden and thats 6 events.

http://s5.postimg.org/kl6ynffd3/image.jpg

[KiwiWRCfan]

What was the longest period or events between wins for Loeb ? Ogier hasn't won since Sweden and thats 6 events.
Loeb's longest gap between wins was 26 weeks or 182 days from Monte Carlo to Germany 2003.
If Ogier wins Rally Germany on August 21st it will be a gap of 27 weeks or 189 days since Sweden.

[N.O.T]

Loeb's longest gap between wins was 26 weeks or 182 days from Monte Carlo to Germany 2003.
If Ogier wins Rally Germany on August 21st it will be a gap of 27 weeks or 189 days since Sweden.

2003 means nothing, he was a kid then. Start counting from the time he first became Champion. Also it would be more fair to count events because each year the gap between events varies for example if you had the summer holiday gap between the events you have not won that would increase the period by far.

[KiwiWRCfan]

"2003 means nothing"
Interesting to reflect on what a "means nothing" year was like. In 2003 Loeb & Sainz were tied on points and leading the championship by one point going into the final round. Solberg won final round to win championship by a solitary 1 point over Loeb. In my mind 2003 year was far from nothing, it was really something. Guess we all see things differently.

[AL14]

"2003 means nothing"
Interesting to reflect on what a "means nothing" year was like. In 2003 Loeb & Sainz were tied on points and leading the championship by one point going into the final round. Solberg won final round to win championship by a solitary 1 point over Loeb. In my mind 2003 year was far from nothing, it was really something. Guess we all see things differently.

You have to translate it from his language to the real meaning.
With "means nothing" he wanted to say that in a discussion about the longest period of events without winning a rally, taking the 2003 in account for Loeb is not useful for the sake of the argument since he was at the beginning of his career and that gap was for sure higher (the same goes for Ogier). If we want to compare the two sebastien in terms of period of non-wins we should start from the first year they become champions and reach the maturity.

[KiwiWRCfan]

If we start from 2005 when Loeb already had his first world title then his longest gaps between wins was in 2009. He won Argentina on 26 April then did not win again until Catalunya Rally on October 4th. There were 5 events between Argentina & Catalunya.
As many people have said many times before it is not possible to compare different eras. In 2009 there were only 2 manufacturers involved.

[AL14]

As many people have said many times before it is not possible to compare different eras.

I agree with you on this. it doesn't make sense to make such comparisons.

[Simmi]

DNS for Bertelli in Germany. Co-driver still not recovered after that big Finland shunt.

https://twitter.com/fuckmatie37/status/761984266020524033?lang=en

Second year in a row he hasn't started Germany.

[Hartusvuori]

11 WRc entries left fo Germany. It could turn into 10 as you never know will Tamrazov's car hold together until the rally starts. That's not much at all. Last year with current cars I would've expected more.

[MM WRC]

11 WRc entries left fo Germany. It could turn into 10 as you never know will Tamrazov's car hold together until the rally starts. That's not much at all. Last year with current cars I would've expected more.

Didn't Tamrazov start in Finland? He didn't come to SS4 so I thought he had retired on the Friday morning stages!

[Simmi]

Didn't Tamrazov start in Finland? He didn't come to SS4 so I thought he had retired on the Friday morning stages!

Yeah he retired the stage before you were on.

[Ucci]

DNS for Bertelli in Germany. Co-driver still not recovered after that big Finland shunt.

https://twitter.com/fuckmatie37/status/761984266020524033?lang=en

Second year in a row he hasn't started Germany.

Why not drive Germany with other co-driver?? There are plenty of experience one in Italy....

[Mirek]

Why not drive Germany with other co-driver?? There are plenty of experience one in Italy....

And why to take other co-driver and not to wait for his one? It's not like he would need some championship points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bertelli has enough accidents with his regular co-driver... imagine with a stranger next to him ! :disturb:

But at least he's making the long trip to China.

[Ucci]

And why to take other co-driver and not to wait for his one? It's not like he would need some championship points.

Maybe you are right....in the meantime he can spend some time (and $$$) in the powerboat, maybe heli skiing, maybe participate to mother's fashion show.....life is a bitch....

[Hartusvuori]

It could be that no Rally Deutschland for DDFT driver Max Vatanen as he is now also entered as a co-driver to RallyX driver Topi Heikkinen to Finnish championship event in Turku which clashes with Trier. Heikkinen participates in a rally for the first time as far as I remember. He'll drive a Fabia S2000.

[Mintexmemory]

It could be that no Rally Deutschland for DDFT driver Max Vatanen as he is now also entered as a co-driver to RallyX driver Topi Heikkinen to Finnish championship event in Turku which clashes with Trier. Heikkinen participates in a rally for the first time as far as I remember. He'll drive a Fabia S2000.

C'mon that has to be an administrative error - If MV is serious then he needs to be on the tarmac in a Fiesta!

[Fly]

It could be that no Rally Deutschland for DDFT driver Max Vatanen as he is now also entered as a co-driver to RallyX driver Topi Heikkinen to Finnish championship event in Turku which clashes with Trier. Heikkinen participates in a rally for the first time as far as I remember. He'll drive a Fabia S2000.

Must be Kim Vatanen, Heikkinen's manager.

[pantealex]

Must be Kim Vatanen, Heikkinen's manager.

It says Max in entry list and it´s not a mistake (Hartusvuori asked Max about it)

[Simmi]

So the guy who stepped out of an R5 car in the British Rally Championship to concentrate on the Dmack Trophy, is now stepping out of the Dmack Trophy to co-drive for his RallyCross mate?

[Hartusvuori]

So the guy who stepped out of an R5 car in the British Rally Championship to concentrate on the Dmack Trophy, is now stepping out of the Dmack Trophy to co-drive for his RallyCross mate?

It's not clear yet, but that's an option. Seems that his career steps are not as logical as some others... Germany would be a clear choice for others.

[EightGear]

So the guy who stepped out of an R5 car in the British Rally Championship to concentrate on the Dmack Trophy, is now stepping out of the Dmack Trophy to co-drive for his RallyCross mate?
Maybe he finally realised he is just not good enough.

[ruesluporp]

ADAC 2016 Special stages: maps and infos
https://app.box.com/s/6dax7gnajzc6gq5imltyylaw567wehic

[Simmi]

Maybe he finally realised he is just not good enough.

I'm not a big Max fan either but the timing just doesn't make sense. He's five points off the lead in the championship with two rounds to go. He won the last round and secured two R5 outings for next year.


All that aside, IMO there's no way he should even have been in DDFT this year. Running three consecutive seasons in an invitation-only junior series is overkill.

[Fly]

It's not clear yet, but that's an option. Seems that his career steps are not as logical as some others... Germany would be a clear choice for others.

Apologies ;) I didn't know you asked Max.

[dimviii]

Suarez
https://youtu.be/wC5aj7OIPKM

[dimviii]

Suninen testing for Germany
https://youtu.be/WiUA9xzoJNE

[danon]

Ott Tanak Ford Fiesta WRC Rally Germany

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13923452_10154031929158952_3643867361134261681_o.j pg

[Simmi]

Busy couple of weeks at M-Sport sorting out all that bent metal from Finland!

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpuvihxWgAAmODR.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki
‏@HartusvuoriWRC

According to @ADACRallye #RallyGermany bulletin, recce only -drivers will include @JuhoWRC, @Craig_Breen and @fuckmatie37. #WRC

[Franky]

So what kind of doping can a rally driver or a co-driver do to get to the stage finish faster?

[N.O.T]

So what kind of doping can a rally driver or a co-driver do to get to the stage finish faster?

Ephedrine

[EstWRC]

Lefebvres livery https://twitter.com/SLefebvreRallye/status/764471029918040064

[dimviii]

about Lefebvres entry
https://web.facebook.com/notes/st%C3%A9phane-lefebvre/i-really-wanted-to-take-part-in-rally-germany/1087947267909231?_rdr

[EstWRC]

Tänak not holding back in testing https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/videos/10154467791799973/?video_source=pages_finch_main_video

[hari]

Gallery Pre Event Test WRC2 / WRC3:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_testtag_vor_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2016 .html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/deutschland/test/39.jpg

[dimviii]

wrc2 test
https://youtu.be/AXpt__E9YTQ

[dimviii]

wrc2 test
https://youtu.be/YFbHRrRVLps

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp_SOA4WEAAvply.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp_SOLyWEAA105W.jpg

[dimviii]

No Bergvist at Germany.

[GoranSaric]

Hi guys. I come in Trier on Saturday. Can you advise where can I stop on Sunday, the stage to watch? I'd like to watch Dhrontal. Where can the nearest approach to the car? Danke :-)

[Hartusvuori]

Hi guys. I come in Trier on Saturday. Can you advise where can I stop on Sunday, the stage to watch? I'd like to watch Dhrontal. Where can the nearest approach to the car? Danke :-)

I suppose you are new to rallying so I would recommend an easy access place. For Dhrontal, an easy access place with multiple hairpins to watch is a place called Galeria Dhrontal. From Trier, head first towards Neumagen-Dhron, continue road 53 to Niederemmel. Follow blue signs to the stage and later on signs to parking area P2/ spectating area Z2. It's a field park so you need some ride height in your car.

You can take a look on unofficial maps from rally-maps.com.

[EstWRC]

any weather prediction bluuford?

[N.O.T]

Hi guys. I come in Trier on Saturday. Can you advise where can I stop on Sunday, the stage to watch? I'd like to watch Dhrontal. Where can the nearest approach to the car? Danke :-)

My advice is since you arrive on Saturday go and recce the stage you want to see for sunday, find a spot that you like and see if it is close to an access road so you can park and walk there. The place you chose might be a disappointment in the end but if you do this on every rally, you will then find what you like in the end, and also understand the sport far better.

Do not be a pleb and just visit a random spot recommend in the guide.

[Jasper]

Hi guys. I come in Trier on Saturday. Can you advise where can I stop on Sunday, the stage to watch? I'd like to watch Dhrontal. Where can the nearest approach to the car? Danke :-)

Both stages are almost the same as last year. If you don't have time to recce, watch the onboards from last year (normal you can find them on rallyekarte.de).

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

#RALLIRINKI favourite @JuhoWRC were asked to smile for a photo by a local fan. "Had to force a little", he joked.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqEK9EyWIAACKsG.jpg

[dimviii]

after the famous sick dogs,now and safety dogs at Germany

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqDcE5XWAAAi1KU.jpg:large

[dimviii]

george donaldson ‏@DonaldsonGeorge

Warm weekend. Weather looks stable enough for @ADACRallye @OfficialWRC @Becsywecsy


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqE4a5oWEAApGvw.jpg


i edited with the right photo.

[tc10a]

Is the Skoda Factory team now also driving BRR cars? :) Tidemands car in works team service (KI-BRR 4) seems to be a BRR one.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14068336_1492765730749484_8715728680090918643_o.jp g
Picture on facebook.

[EstWRC]

i think Camilli may have a very good rally here. Also interesting to see how Paddon has evolved on tarmac.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Panzerplatte stage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqD7MrTWgAAratc.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thierry Neuville ‏@thierryneuville
Looking at these roads, I really can't wait to be at the start! ADAC Rallye , here we come!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqE70WeXYAA1jjy.jpg

[GoranSaric]

My advice is since you arrive on Saturday go and recce the stage you want to see for sunday, find a spot that you like and see if it is close to an access road so you can park and walk there. The place you chose might be a disappointment in the end but if you do this on every rally, you will then find what you like in the end, and also understand the sport far better.

Do not be a pleb and just visit a random spot recommend in the guide.

Thanks for all. When it will be close traffic on Dhrontal?

[N.O.T]

Thanks for all. When it will be close traffic on Dhrontal?

On Saturday Dhrontal does not run, so it should be open all day to do some runs and see what you like.

[Mirek]

wrc2 test
https://youtu.be/AXpt__E9YTQ


wrc2 test
https://youtu.be/YFbHRrRVLps

It's painful to watch how slow both PSA cars are from that hairpin.

[bluuford]

Weather:

Today morning should be OK, nice wetaher, 20..22 degrees, some rain clouds but with no major rain, just some raindrops.

Friday:
Tonight, heavy tuhnderstorm is expected on SS1 and SS2 but temperature will be still quite high, might reach over 25, morning pass might be damp in placesm good for Ogier road position
Afternoon should be mostly without rain as well, some showers here and there, can be predicted only a few hours before stages.

Saturday:
Temperature drops to 20..22 degrees, might be some rain risk in the afternoon, however, very low

Sudnay:
Temperature drops even further +16..+19, minimal rain risk.

So, tonight, between 21..midnight might be some proper rain in most of the places ,after that, just a small showers here and there.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Reached the desired place in shakedown. It rained for like 17 seconds, several drops coming down as I write now. 30 minutes until action.

[RS]

It's painful to watch how slow both PSA cars are from that hairpin.

Have they not upgraded to the new Evo maybe?

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

I'd say a big moment for @HaydenPaddon. High speed and went a little wide. #RallyeDeutschland


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIH3RzWgAAV2lF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIF3tcXEAAowB_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIFKvGWIAAJVmh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIEn7TWIAA2rQ8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIDNQdXYAA2C3A.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqIDNQoWcAAzDTT.jpg

[dimviii]

Have they not upgraded to the new Evo maybe?

Quentin Gilbert ‏@gilbert_quentin

Elle est prête, elle est belle notre DS 3 R5 Evo ��
Ready and pretty car!
#WRC #RallyeDeutschland #WRC2


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqE4DoGXYAAs4dP.jpg

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Shakedown stopped due to spectator's health issue. #RallyeDeutschland


http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2016/post-235-0-53206200-1471506712.jpg

[mousti]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/dd8fcf5aeb7eab15dc1724e72f0be362.jpg

Verstuurd vanaf mijn ONE E1003 met Tapatalk

[HarriK]

Shake results after 2 runs

[Mad cat jnr]

How do you access the results like that HarriK?

[EstWRC]

Unfortunately the spectator died.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Heartattack... Sad news.

[N.O.T]

Wow.

What happened? It certainly wasn't related to a driving rally car was it? Meaning accident...?

Are you like that in real life as well ? or just in here ?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Well first of all I know the stage stopped but didn't know if a rally car was involved.

I read Ambulance on stage...

So I wasn't sure.

Jeeeeez!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is Capito's last rally before moving to McLaren...

Hallelulja.

[GravelBen]

Problems for Ostberg?

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

If you think Paddon had a moment on shakedown, @AMikkelsenRally went a nod faster and further. I skipped a heartbeat. #RallyeDeutschland


Mikkelsen hit a bayle,video at Hartusvuoris twitter

[EstWRC]

Not looking good for Dmack(like expected) but we will see if the rally starts. i pray for rain, would be more interesting.

[N.O.T]

Not looking good for Dmack(like expected) but we will see if the rally starts. i pray for rain, would be more interesting.

It only rains in corrupted countries like China so i think Germany will be dry.

[Ucci]

It only rains in corrupted countries like China so i think Germany will be dry.
And here we again....N.O.T and his stupid comments....

[COD]

It only rains in corrupted countries like China so i think Germany will be dry.

Greece has been a dry rally almost allways

[GigiGalliNo1]

Greece has been a dry rally almost allways

Someone must be paying the government or the government someone so it doesn't rain!

Corruption indeed

[EstWRC]

shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQA2agyg6IU

[dimviii]

Hyundai video
https://youtu.be/T7G98-cf_nM

final shake standings
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqJDFm-WEAAGC65.jpg

juniors
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqJGYZQXgAASZPW.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqJbF7HWIAAeNpV.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Why is Maciek Szczepaniak categorized as a driver in the standings?

[tommeke_B]

Why is Maciek Szczepaniak categorized as a driver in the standings?

Because he entered as the driver.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen once has a close call at the bale,and the other one hit it

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14045683_1168122086544175_6704732566860872119_n.jp g?oh=23383539ac417eee3549e118c049bee3&oe=5844D1F6

video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqn3Yt0mBiE

[dimviii]

watch how useless dogs they are.This is the video and the points they choosed for shake video.
https://youtu.be/RABE8eeThF8

not even ONE point worthly to watch.You have to try to achieve it.
keep discussing now how the sport will grow,and which countries deserved to have a rally.

[WUff1]

Is the Skoda Factory team now also driving BRR cars? :) Tidemands car in works team service (KI-BRR 4) seems to be a BRR one.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14068336_1492765730749484_8715728680090918643_o.jp g
Picture on facebook.

Interesting. It´s obviously a new car of BRR. At least this number plate was never seen before.

[dimviii]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rally%20Germany%202016/9Y7A5555.JPG?img=img1280

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rally+Germany+2016/

[dimviii]

michelin motorsport video
https://youtu.be/cb10T-R5Exs

[dimviii]

http://nimga.fr/f/QkEJG.jpg

https://web.facebook.com/nicolasorban/photos_stream?ref=page_internal#

[Franky]

Mikkelsen once has a close call at the bale,and the other one hit it

All bales should be replaced with tractors from Rally Finland onwards. Drivers have got more respect for tractors

[danon]

Ogier's new outfit - The making of... LoLzzz🚼 ... cool 📽 https://youtu.be/AO067t96Fm0

[Andre Oliveira]

Interesting. It´s obviously a new car of BRR. At least this number plate was never seen before.

BRR sticker on it too :)

[Rally Power]

watch how useless dogs they are.This is the video and the points they choosed for shake video.
https://youtu.be/RABE8eeThF8
not even ONE point worthly to watch.You have to try to achieve it.
keep discussing now how the sport will grow,and which countries deserved to have a rally.

Don’t be so over critical over a 1:32m clip, mate. You could at least praise DJI’s nice drone footage...

[dimviii]

what happened at Finland?

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

This kid shouldn't be here. What he did in Finland is unforgiven and how stewards handled it showed lack of guts.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqKXE6YWAAAXnzR.jpg

[tommeke_B]

He went off on SS Ouninpohja (big crash, he rolled quite hard) while the stage was neutralized... While there could be spectators and slow cars on the stage he was pushing as it was a stage.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/ZDavZs9dQsQ

[RS]

BRR sticker on it too :)

Maybe BRR already bought it but Skoda had to borrow it back as they are running three cars here and presumably Kopecky has a different one lined up for Barum next week?

[tc10a]

Maybe BRR already bought it but Skoda had to borrow it back as they are running three cars here and presumably Kopecky has a different one lined up for Barum next week?

No, its definitely a BRR car. Mechanics on other pictures are also BRR ones.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2016/dwi_2016r09germany-shakedown0191a.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2016/dwi_2016r09germany-shakedown0205a.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2016/dwi_2016r09germany-shakedown0219a.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/adac_rallye_deutschland_2016/dwi_2016r09germany-shakedown0138a.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=27498&fotograf=335

[satukata]

Don’t be so over critical over a 1:32m clip, mate. You could at least praise DJI’s nice drone footage...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URdoIGakwUU

[dimviii]

Sordo shake incar
https://youtu.be/URdoIGakwUU

[GigiGalliNo1]

Because he entered as the driver.

Who is his co/driver and what is he driving?

[mousti]

Ptaszek is co driver, but that's just an error in their entry.

Tidemand indeed with BRR car it seems, I think it's also a "private" entry by Evenrally, logo's are on the car too.

[MikeD]

Can anybody help me with a question. Which team is running Henning Solbergs car? Is that M-Sport or is it Adapta or a third party? Thanks in adcvance.

[JTGANG]

Seems there is enough fogg in the opening stage

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Good morning, People of Rallying! #RALLIRINKI is on the move to #RallyeDeutschland SS1 Mittelmosel. Mist hanging low, though it didn't rain.

[RS]

Ptaszek is co driver, but that's just an error in their entry.

Tidemand indeed with BRR car it seems, I think it's also a "private" entry by Evenrally, logo's are on the car too.

Bit of a strange set up. BRR car, BRR mechanics but in Skoda Motorsport service area and in Skoda Motorsport colours.

[dimviii]

george donaldson
‏@DonaldsonGeorge

Sun is coming at ss1 stop line!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNP6_DUkAALfoz.jpg

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport

#Tyre info: All Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 except
Mikkelsen with 4H5 +1S5

[MartijnS]

Latvala in trouble. Not at full power when he passed us. Sounded strange

[EightGear]

Latvala a minute down at the second split.

[rallye-vid]

Latvala

https://youtu.be/uyLXZteR7V4

[N.O.T]

Can someone please remove Latvala from the WRC ?

[AL14]

What happened to paddon? lost 20 secs in a split. Previous splits were very interesting

EDIT:
"FRI 10:28 - SS1: PADDON
Hayden's car carrying a tufts of hay bale and missing a wing mirror. "Very tricky conditions. All the cuts are mud - every time you touch the grass it's slippery. We had a big spin in the vineyards - I was a bit optimistic with one of my notes - I had to stop and turn around. That cost us about 20 sec." 23.1sec slower than Ogier."

[satukata]

Can someone please remove Latvala from the WRC ?

we don´t need your stupid comments

[MikeD]

Can someone please remove Latvala from the WRC ?

LOL :D ... honestly, he's a serious underperformer compared with the amount of great WRC cars he has driven. He will never be champion for sure and I expect that VW will put Mikkelsen next to Ogier next year and JML in the VW Team 2 car to make sure they get the points for the Manufacturers' Championship.

[MartijnS]

Also a big moment for Mikkelsen one road above us. Sideways at high speed, sounded like he hit some grape trees with his right rear :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ptaszek is co driver, but that's just an error in their entry.



So The "Birdman" is the co-driver?

I don't think so.

Seems to be the issue with a few standing lists and this error.

[EstWRC]

not bad Dmack, not bad at all, just 1.7sec to Sordo....Camilli stopped also.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gearbox issue for Latvala... out for the day.

[satukata]

bad luck for JML again. Gearbox.

[giù tutto!]

Can someone please remove Latvala from the WRC ?

Why? Because of technical issue?

[satukata]

not bad Dmack, not bad at all, just 1.7sec to Sordo....Camilli stopped also.

Go Ott!!

[N.O.T]

Why? Because of technical issue?

No, because he is worthless.

[pantealex]

So The "Birdman" is the co-driver?

I don't think so.

Seems to be the issue with a few standing lists and this error.

Try to understand:
Inside WRC2 you can only drive 7 events and Ptaszek is driving all 13.
That´s why co-driver is marked as a driver in 6 events and will also take to points to his name. (Maciej Szczepaniak has 6 points from Rally Finland for WRC2)

[satukata]

Eric Camilli off road again!! Poor year continue

[giù tutto!]

No, because he is worthless.

And you're genius?

[satukata]

No, because he is worthless.

He was 2nd in rally Finland. Fastest VW driver in fastest rally.. Go home NOT

[GravelBen]

No, because he is worthless.

Go away.

[satukata]

where you find splittimes? any other page than wrc.com?

[N.O.T]

And you're genius?

I do not like to brag, but that is the general belief, i cannot confirm since i am very modest as a person.

[satukata]

ogier 7s down? problems?

[N.O.T]

He was 2nd in rally Finland. Fastest VW driver in fastest rally.. Go home NOT

Beaten like a dog without an owner in an undeveloped car driven by a part time driver in his back yard, quite an achievement.

[N.O.T]

I think Ogier has problems

[giù tutto!]

Ignore list is wonderful invention

[dimviii]

Kremer 7 sec faster from Kopecky who spined.

Paddon at 3km in ss2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNdRhHVUAIcpKt.jpg


wrc splits work for you?

[satukata]

Ignore list is wonderful invention

thanks for info

[N.O.T]

wrc splits work for you?

depends on the definition of "work", for normal standards no, for wrc.com standards they work fine.

[GravelBen]

Splits working fine for me.

[dimviii]

Fri 10:58 - SS2: Ostberg
WRC TV crew reports his engine 'sounding rough.' Mads 9.6sec slower than Mikkelsen at the opening split.

[AL14]

Poor Ogier. No reason to whine at stage end. He really feel lost when he has to say something to the interviewer.

[N.O.T]

Do you think Ostberg is that fast because of corruption?

[dimviii]

something happened for Paddon between split 2 and 3

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2016/post-93-0-85321000-1471597968.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2016/post-93-0-63177300-1471597972.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville quickest so far !

[AL14]

Service after two stages and 40 km in total? Please...

[dimviii]

something happened for Paddon between split 2 and 3

puncture

[GravelBen]

Service after two stages and 40 km in total? Please...

Plenty of them needing it though!

[JTGANG]

3 French guys already out from WRC 2.....I thought French drivers should be used in mud

[satukata]

Service after two stages and 40 km in total? Please...

hope they drive 4 stages in leg. two stages is boring

[AL14]

Plenty of them needing it though!

Yeah, that's true :D

[dimviii]

lets see at the repeated Mittelmosel, Ogiers time,to see if/how much he advantaged from clean road.
after 40km stages we have to wait 4 hours? nice!!

[EstWRC]

what a weird itinerary...2 stages and now you have to wait 4 hours. :o

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Maurin crashed close to the start of Mittelmosel. I was the only spectator on the corner. #RallyeDeutschland


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNiOl5UIAA5owH.jpg

[dimviii]

Gilbert Al Kuwari and Kopecky retired(stopped at stage)

[dimviii]

Dmacks seems overheated,not so good progress at asphalt

(12 - Tänak Ott / Mõlder Raigo): There was no time for the tyres to cool down between these two stages. A few wide moments. I can't push more.

[dimviii]

wtf happening at wrc2?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNjmtIW8AAWQrK.jpg

[satukata]

Suninen stopped. Poor rally for Finns. Lappi had 3 spins allready

[EstWRC]

Paddon's puncture (the cause of it)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNkP30WIAAekvL.jpg

[dimviii]

Kopecky moving again

[satukata]

where you get those pictures dimviii

[dimviii]

where you get those pictures dimviii

from twitter accounts

[Rallyper]

Tidemand good time on SS1, despite startposition.

[satukata]

from twitter accounts

any tip what twitter account is worth to follow

[dimviii]

Suarez 2nd overall +19,2 from Kremer

[JTGANG]

any tip what twitter account is worth to follow

Just put #wrc and select Live and you will see everything

[EstWRC]

Dmacks seems overheated,not so good progress at asphalt

(12 - Tänak Ott / Mõlder Raigo): There was no time for the tyres to cool down between these two stages. A few wide moments. I can't push more.

it was expected but they have made progress...i know we cant compare it to Monte but we dont have any other option so...in Monte Tänak's loss after two stages was 1.58sec/km at the moment in germany it is 0.54sec/km. :)...in Monte the first two stages were also a little over 20km's

[satukata]

J. SUAREZ MIRANDA fastest WRC2. big suprise. And Kremer leading. Old dog in fire!

[dimviii]

any tip what twitter account is worth to follow

there are plenty of accounts.Most usefull is Hartusvuoris one
also a French rally forum
http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/2491-adac-rallye-deutschland-2016-1821-ao%C3%BBt-wrc/page-22

[satukata]

it was expected but they have made progress...i know we cant compare it to Monte but we dont have any other option so...in Monte Tänak's loss after two stages was 1.58sec/km at the moment in germany it is 0.54sec/km. :)

Tanaks speed is good. Hope he drive Toyota 2017!

[dimviii]

it was expected but they have made progress...i know we cant compare it to Monte but we dont have any other option so...in Monte Tänak's loss after two stages was 1.58sec/km at the moment in germany it is 0.54sec/km. :)...in Monte the first two stages were also a little over 20km's

Monte is very cold so you cant see the real difference between a good and an average tyre.You will see at hot weather like Spain/Corsica the real difference.

[pantealex]

wtf happening at wrc2?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNjmtIW8AAWQrK.jpg

Suninen (and Tidemand) are NOT in WRC2 this time!

[EstWRC]

yes i agree but just at the moment we dont have any data from any other tarmac rally...but soon after corsica and spain we will have.

[dimviii]

Suninen (and Tidemand) are NOT in WRC2 this time!

yeap forgot it. Real havoc anyway for many crews these 2 stages.

[dimviii]

flash info (35 - Kopecký Jan / Dresler Pavel): I'm having no luck in WRC 2 this year. We got a puncture and I don't know why. A stone maybe.

[JTGANG]

Loubet for 19 yrs old is doing fine at his 4th rally with R5

[dimviii]

lets see if Tidemand can grab the chance with Lappis spins and Kopeckys punctures.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNpzLnWAAAk_uv.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNqlr7XYAAzKX_.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNqFhZWYAAhgg5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNqFwBXYAArpo5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNqGCZW8AAITV1.jpg

[dimviii]

out of battery,go for swim. Cross fingers to have tight fight till the end.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Decent start by Neuville and Sordo keeping well in touch with the VWs.

Long way to go but hope one of them can take the win on Capito's last rally at VW.. ;)

[satukata]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqNpzLnWAAAk_uv.jpg

Poor luck again!

[N.O.T]

Maybe it was a deliberate mistake by VW since Latvala was closing on Ogier, maybe it was corruption.

[AL14]

Maybe it was a deliberate mistake by VW since Latvala was closing on Ogier, maybe it was corruption.

You're in good shape today.

[AL14]

"Hello Steph, now go take a podium you too lol"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqN-a1MXgAAQZfP.jpg

[Mirek]

Last year Kopecký was on a completely different level than the others in RC2 and won by over 4 minutes over Camilli. Can he recover from the puncture this time?

[Rally Power]

I imagine Mr. Wilson will send Camilli to “WRC2 rehab” next year. It has been working fine for Evans.

Nice to see the 208 R5 finally showing some speed. RC3/RC4 youngsters fight for best 2wd looks promissing.

[Rally Power]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URdoIGakwUU

Yep. Like usually, great onboards, nice drones and good editing but, and it has been repeatedly mentioned here, the ground cameras are usually placed in the worst possible spots. They really must improve that.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/0-6W0xj-CA4

[dimviii]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14046072_10153820973011918_4844876971822541631_n.j pg?oh=56b72e140681d0820b70e276270a643a&oe=5851702B

[dimviii]

"I think this is a good start to the rally. I almost go head-to-tail in the first special stage but the weather was not so bad in the end. From the perspective of the car, it could be better but we are working. If the car was perfectly set, we would be ahead I think. the management is good so far, "detailed Thierry Neuville microphone of our colleague Olivier Gaspard RTBF just after the first two stages of the day .

[denkimi]

https://youtu.be/0-6W0xj-CA4

camilli clearly not on wrc level yet. perhaps its due to stress, but this shouldn't happen if you want to stay in a factory seat.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://youtu.be/0-6W0xj-CA4

Nightmare day for Camilli. I thought tarmac was his best surface... :(

[BicioWrc]

Hope fo Camilli a better day tomorrow; without pressure of the result have to find some rithm and stamp so good times; pity because after Italy i was expecting for another step up of his performances instead arrived before the mistake in poland when stage was already finished, after the big crash of finland and now this nightmare stage in his favourite surface.
Let's see tomorrow

[dimviii]

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport 26 λεπτάΠριν από 26 λεπτά

#Tyre info: All Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 4 Michelin Pilot Sport H5 +1S5
Lefebvre: 5H

[dimviii]

Fri 15:06 - Weather update
Cloudy with hazy sunshine. Temperature now 25˚C.

Fri 15:05 - Stage report
Zero car drivers report more mud on the Mittelmosel route than on the earlier pass. "It's like ice," says one

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen is taking it to Ogier, the asphalt master...