Deutschland rally 2016

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon SS3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOXjSiWgAEO0-P.jpg

[AL14]

No problem for Ogier. He is completely lost trying to justify the time loss without reasons to whine.
Mikkelsen is really impressing. I wasn't expecting for sure such performance from him.

[dimviii]

Οgier ss3
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC?lang=el

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon with F&R damage after big moment but got away with it...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOY5mKXgAAKDt-.jpg

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen is taking it to Ogier, the asphalt master...

Ogier is stronger on gravel and himself said several times he prefers gravel.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier is stronger on gravel and himself said several times he prefers gravel.

But his record on tarmac is way better then Mikkelsen's...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier should like this rally then !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOaD0gXYAArXVO.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen: "A really good stage. Not bad for a Norwegian !" :D

[Mirek]

3 minutes lost for Bonato...

[denkimi]

Mikkelsen is taking it to Ogier, the asphalt master...

ogier is far from the real asphalt masters like loeb.

[dimviii]

So Ogier had a big advantage at 1st stage which through it.

cross fingers for Neuville to keep it inside the road.Seems the only one can push the vw duo.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOegVvWcAAGHfF.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ogier is far from the real asphalt masters like loeb.

Compared to his competitors in 2016.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Whats happening with Paddon lately... some were saying he was the next world champion, but he's not showing it for months now ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen losing time to Ogier now on the SS4 last split...

[denkimi]

Whats happening with Paddon lately... some were saying he was the next world champion, but he's not showing it for months now ?

too much pressure i think.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rubbish asphalt driver Ogier wins SS4... ;)

[dimviii]

Sordo after stage 4 came into the game.Top 4 crews inside 11 seconds now.Nice!!

[EstWRC]

What the hell is mads doing? This is just ridiculous ....

[dimviii]

nw we have to wait 2,5 hours for a 8km stage.lol

[AL14]

nw we have to wait 2,5 hours for a 8km stage.lol

One of the worse friday of WRC lol
Luckily there are olimpic games to feel the "long break"

[Mirek]

Over 3 minutes lost for Suaréz, 4 minutes for Ptaszek, 10 minutes for Rendina...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What the hell is mads doing? This is just ridiculous ....

He had many problems (clipped kerb, steering, handbrake) but thats just 'moaning' isnt it. He's still ahead of Paddon but no-one says anything about him.

[tomhlord]

Nightmare day for Camilli. I thought tarmac was his best surface... :(

Gutted for Eric. His interview afterwards is of a man sturggling with his own head. Maybe the Finland crash? His splits where the slowest WRC car by quite some margin before the off. Hope he now has 2 days to get back up to speed.

[AL14]

Crash Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgC7yyEsVoY

[Mirek]

Last year Kopecký was on a completely different level than the others in RC2 and won by over 4 minutes over Camilli. Can he recover from the puncture this time?

6th in RC2, 5th in WRC2 @ +1:38,5 after SS4. The two drivers ahead seem to be an easy target. The fastest trio will be hard to catch but Kopecký's traditionally strongest stages are yet to come tomorrow.

[denkimi]

Crash Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgC7yyEsVoY

wrong pacenotes of trying too hard?

[rallysupportnl]

Giordano's crash this morning!

http://i66.tinypic.com/2h6g6r8.jpg (https://youtu.be/KQThL7vkuQk)

Click on the photo or here --> https://youtu.be/KQThL7vkuQk

[dupanton]

Good Rally for several Belgian teams: Not only Thierry but also his brother Yannick is doing a decent job with his "old" Fabia S2000: 8th in RC2. Also De Mevius in 4th is very nice, in only his 4th rally in an R5.

[dimviii]

wrong pacenotes of trying too hard?


his line wasnt ideal(he must be more at right at entry) and his speed was very optimistic.
we dont know if his pacenotes were right,but he didnt drive accordingly,or were wrong.Maybe he will explain later.

[Simmi]

Crash Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgC7yyEsVoY

Not the first (or last) guy to do that in Germany. Bad timing though in the context of his season.

[AL14]

Not the first (or last) guy to do that in Germany. Bad timing though in the context of his season.

An error in a rally like this is more than forgivable to a rookie. I think maybe he is too much in a hurry to show someething. Maybe another year in WRC2 would not have been that bad for him. On the other hand a lot of driver have to impress team principals in more difficult circumstances and without two years deals.

[EstWRC]

He had many problems (clipped kerb, steering, handbrake) but thats just 'moaning' isnt it. He's still ahead of Paddon but no-one says anything about him.

he had problems also the last two stages? couldnt follow it so closely... i know he had on the first two...and yes Paddon isnt doing great either but the Ostberg has a lot more experience than Paddon.

[dimviii]

michelin motorsport leg 1

https://youtu.be/Wu4TjwBC11w

[Rallyper]

He had many problems (clipped kerb, steering, handbrake) but thats just 'moaning' isnt it. He's still ahead of Paddon but no-one says anything about him.

I didn´t hear him complain. He felt quite happy despite the small issues.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLdWk5EcnE&feature=youtu.be video with paddon's off

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I didn´t hear him complain.

No, I was being sarcastic... whenever he has a problem you know some here always just say 'he's moaning again'.

But he also said tomorrows stages will suit him better, so maybe he was just being careful today...

[Ucci]

Very very positive drive by Andolfi! Second in R2 class, just few seconds behind first in class Greibl (with class best car-Adam!).

[danon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLdWk5EcnE&feature=youtu.be video with paddon's off

suspension make a /BIG/ difference

[JTGANG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLdWk5EcnE&feature=youtu.be video with paddon's off

Amazing save my Mikkelsen !!!

[rallysupportnl]

WRC Rallye Deutschland 2016 - Day 1 Highlights

http://i64.tinypic.com/6tgrwy.jpg (https://youtu.be/E9XJCBtqyDw)

Click on the photo or here --> https://youtu.be/E9XJCBtqyDw

[Doon]

Yannick Neuville looks pretty handy!

[SubaruNorway]

Marshall more busy with filming than slowing down the next car at Camilli's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wgmV9OvQzE

[RAS007]

Crash Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgC7yyEsVoY

Is it just the way that's edited, or did he go off on almost the first corner of the rally? Either way, I'm not sure what Malcolm thought he was getting with Camilli, but it just hasn't worked out, at all.

[Francis44]

Is it just the way that's edited, or did he go off on almost the first corner of the rally? Either way, I'm not sure what Malcolm thought he was getting with Camilli, but it just hasn't worked out, at all.

Why isn't it working?! Im so infuriated when everyone jumps to bash those young guys on their first full year and then everyone is so complacent on the old dogs a.k.a Latvala, who for more than 10 years crashed an unbelievable amount of cars and have brought no interest at all for the big championship fight.

[RAS007]

Why isn't it working?! Im so infuriated when everyone jumps to bash those young guys on their first full year and then everyone is so complacent on the old dogs a.k.a Latvala, who for more than 10 years crashed an unbelievable amount of cars and have brought no interest at all for the big championship fight.

Saying that it isn't working out is hardly "bashing"; but, 4 retirements in 8 rallies isn't exactly "working", either.

[marcosg]

Marshall more busy with filming than slowing down the next car at Camilli's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wgmV9OvQzE
this is a kubica style crash, thoug much slower... so why dont bet rather on him?

[SubaruNorway]

Is it just the way that's edited, or did he go off on almost the first corner of the rally? Either way, I'm not sure what Malcolm thought he was getting with Camilli, but it just hasn't worked out, at all.

11:30 min into the stage.
Paddon's moment just after 3:30 in SS3 if someone wants to watch that

[stefanvv]

Saying that it isn't working out is hardly "bashing"; but, 4 retirements in 8 rallies isn't exactly "working", either.

You have a point. He should gather experience.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/wRKXVD3HRCA


http://www.rallye-cult.webspace24.de/deutschland16/18.jpg
http://www.rallye-cult.webspace24.de/deutschland16/21.jpg

[hari]

Some images from Thursday / Friday:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/deutschland/bestof1/1.jpg

[danon]

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13975286_1038321716264605_7948744776910529581_o.jp g

[GravelBen]

Whats happening with Paddon lately... some were saying he was the next world champion, but he's not showing it for months now ?

He won Argentina, bad Portugal and Sardegna (small mistakes with unlucky big consequences), 3rd in Poland, 5th but only 7s off the podium in Finland, currently 4th in championship behind the VWs... don't forget he said himself before the season that 2016 is still a learning year rather than a realistic championship attempt.

His pace on splits looks pretty good this weekend, the time loss has come from a few mistakes with spins and puncture.

Don't forget his lack of tarmac experience - he has done less than 10 tarmac rallies in his entire rally career, and I think only 4 in a WRC car.

[stefanvv]

His pace on splits looks pretty good this weekend, the time loss has come from a few mistakes with spins and puncture.

The mistakes are because he is trying.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/axCAQ9-szq0

[Rally Power]

Why isn't it working?! Im so infuriated when everyone jumps to bash those young guys on their first full year and then everyone is so complacent on the old dogs a.k.a Latvala, who for more than 10 years crashed an unbelievable amount of cars and have brought no interest at all for the big championship fight.

Actually, the forum has been surprisingly tolerant and even supportive towards Camilli. At the beginning there was some criticism, mostly about Wilson’s decision to replace Evans, but after a while the general opinion recognized the French abilities and appreciated his learning efforts through the season.

This said, perhaps the most interesting question about Camilli’s path it’s really on Wilson’s bold choice. Can this fast way of raising to the top a driver with so little experience (notably on gravel) payoff? Only time will tell, but for now one can fairly say it’s not the easiest one.

[Rally Power]

Sadly, a puncture took Suarez away from the WRC2 fight, still nice times for the 208 R5 (according to the spanish press, he’s using a brand new car but the team decided not to install the Evo kit. All DS’s using it).

Tempestini is making another great rally and managed to lead the 2wd field, with Griebel, Koci and the Italians 208’s quite close.

Any photos of the Bimmer? (#120)

[danon]

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[danon]

It's ‪#‎RallyDeutschland‬ time! We are pretty excited because we will hit the tarmac soon, as well, with the ‪#‎YarisWRC‬ for the start of our testing programme on asphalt!
Good luck everybody! We wish you good fun and good fights!
‪#‎TGR_WRC‬ ‪#‎WeLoveCars‬ ‪#‎WRC‬

[Mk2 RS2000]

The mistakes are because he is trying.

Yep, you can't make omelettes without breaking eggs. It is easier to slow a fast driver down and get them to stay on the road than it is to speed up a slow one.

[danon]

Yep, you can't make omelettes without breaking eggs....
http://i.imgur.com/xjorVni.gif

[danon]

Good morning, Becsy!

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xTICKgY9kWsAsE/giphy.gif

[dimviii]

Sat 08:34 - SS6: Mikkelsen
1.5sec quicker than Ogier and happy with his soft tyre call. "I think soft was the correct choice but still it's hard to make a difference. He [Ogier] is cutting so much the road is covered in dirt."

Sat 08:32 - SS6: Ogier
The champ is though. How was that? "I have a mixed tyre choice, two soft and two hards, and it was the wrong choice. It was dry when I left service but now there is some rain. It won't be good for me."

[dimviii]

#RallyeDeutschland Tyre info: M-Sport/Mikkelsen: 5 Pilot Sport S Lefevbre: 4S+1H Sordo/Paddon: 4H+1S Neuville/Ogier: 3H+2S Latvala: 4H+2S

[dimviii]

80% of the stage is wet,and Tanak just 5 sec from stage leader.Dmacks asphalt tyre doesnt like hot.

[dimviii]

Lappi 8,4 sec from Kremer after ss 6

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen straight at junction and now Ogier 0,2 overall behind him.

[dimviii]

Tanak faster at 2nd split

[stefanvv]

Tanak is crazy or just d-macks work really ell in those conditions.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen was very lucky
https://twitter.com/rallyemag/with_replies?lang=el

[EstWRC]

Tanak is crazy or just d-macks work really ell in those conditions.

both.


Interesting to see how long this Mikkelsen-s luck will continue

[Simmi]

Big swing in WRC2 as Lappi moves into the lead. Needs to keep it on the road now but he's peaking at the right time for a 2017 WRC drive.

[Mirek]

And Tidemand even faster than Lappi on SS6!

[RS]

Both Lappi and Tidemand really quick today.. maybe Michelins suit todays stages more.

[dimviii]

Tidemand overall 0,7 faster from Lappi.

[dimviii]

Gilbert and Rendina crashes
https://youtu.be/vlzAyuUh9KQ

[smsgrafica]

WRC+ timing isn't working for me. Is it the same for anyone else?

[dimviii]

george donaldson ‏@DonaldsonGeorge

We do have brake & tyre temperature data too

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqSgllbWgAAdfBX.jpg

wish i could know tyre and brake temp for each driver.

[Eli]

did anything happen to Sordo? why does his time show he's 12 minutes behind?
Edit: they fixed it.

[Simmi]

Big push from Ogier coming up I think!

[Eli]

Big push from Ogier coming up I think!

what did he leave the service park with? 2 hards-3 softs?

[Simmi]

what did he leave the service park with? 2 hards-3 softs?

3 of each apparently - https://twitter.com/Michelin_Sport/status/766911875523158016?lang=en

[RS]

Really good times from the Fabias on the short Panzerplatte stages.

[dimviii]

Sat 10:47 - Tyre info
Update on the numbers and compounds (Hard or Soft) chosen by the Michelin runners for the Baumholder section. Lefebvre: 5H. Mikkelsen: 4S&2H. Ogier/Latvala: 3H&3S. Neuville: 3S&2H. Sordo: 4S&1H. Paddon/Ostberg: 5S. Camilli: 4S&2S.

[dimviii]

at 11:09 - SS10: Wet or dry?
Almost completely dry according to the zero car drivers.

so Lefebvre Ogier and Latvala have more hards.Lets see if they used them.

[AL14]

Why isn't Evans competing on this one?? It is one of his favourite!

[Mintexmemory]

Form is temporary, class is permanent. Normal service is being restored on Panzerplatte

[Eli]

3 of each apparently - https://twitter.com/Michelin_Sport/status/766911875523158016?lang=en

cheers, should be an interesting 41 Kms

[wia5958]

Evans is doing the ulster rally this weekend

[Eli]

Stephane Lefebvre off the road...

[Simmi]

Why isn't Evans competing on this one?? It is one of his favourite!

He's currently leading the Ulster rally - trying to secure the BRC title. He's got one more round to do in WRC2 but nothing confirmed yet by M-Sport.

[EstWRC]

Tänak: "If you have no rubber you have to drive on the rims. We had no chance here

lol..



i hope everything is okay with Lefebvre, very worrying at the moment.

[Astro83]

Anyone know snything about Stephane? Serious crash?

[satukata]

Lefebvre according to messages blocking the road. Codriver still stuck in the car

[Astro83]

Hope hes not seriously hurt.. :/ the stage will be closed then..

[EstWRC]

damn i dont like this at all...radio also paused

[Astro83]

Agree and I really dont like to hear that Stephanes co-driver still is in the car! Can only hope for the best!! :(

[satukata]

Hope hes not seriously hurt.. :/ the stage will be closed then..

i´m afraid of hinkelstains... remember petter sohlberg awfull off

[Astro83]

Yepp I do, thats why im not relax...And the overall speed on this stage... But I pray its okey!

[Astro83]

Nothing on twitter??

[KKS]

What happen with Leferbve? or just splits glitch ?

[Carbon]

Twitter is quiet aswell..

[Astro83]

Serious crash it seems :/

[Rallyper]

Camilli, JML and Kremer all stopped at that spot. So looks like serious situation. :(

[Astro83]

Wtf...

[EstWRC]

Dré Galiart
‏@rallydre
RT @vzfoto: Driver (Lefebvre) and Codriver are able to comunicate but car needs to be cut open #adacrallye @Becsywecsy @voiceofrally

[GigiGalliNo1]

Driver and Co-driver are able to communicate but car needs to be cut open

[Franky]

Wtf...

The last GPS registered speed on WRCplus for Lefebvre is 166kmh

[Astro83]

Please please....I hate this wait! I pray so har that his co-driver just is "stuck" and cant come out and that his is unhurt but it does not feels like it..

[Astro83]

Driver and Co-driver are able to communicate but car needs to be cut open

Great news! Its a good thing that the co-driver can speak anyway!!

[dimviii]

cross fingers everything is ok with his co driver.

[EstWRC]

Latvala and Camilli left the place.

[dimviii]

Sat 11:45 - SS10: Lefebvre
The Frenchman crashed at the 12.4km point. Medical team in attendance. More info as we get it.

[KKS]

Latvala and Camilli left the place.
They pass through that place or reverse and go another road?

[Eli]

Hope everything is fine with the crew, fingers crossed!!

[EstWRC]

They pass through that place or reverse and go another road?

reverse

E: no i looked wrong, they have passed

[satukata]

They pass through that place or reverse and go another road?

Camilli, JML and Kremer drive back to start??

[AL14]

I don't like this silence. Let's hope everything will be ok for the crew.

[satukata]

info from twitter driver and codriver injured :(

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqS0565WEAAjD8s.jpg

[Astro83]

Mhm...but they can talk anyway..but hope they only need control at the hospital...:/

[Rallyper]

I´ve had critisism against these fast tarmac rallies before. Then I decided to leave that issue. Now I think a serious discussion is needed about the way WRC is heading. Next year even faster cars...

[Tauri_J]

average speed is barely over 100 km/h

[KKS]

I´ve had critisism against these fast tarmac rallies before. Then I decided to leave that issue. Now I think a serious discussion is needed about the way WRC is heading. Next year even faster cars...
Avarage speed at Finland stages is much more higher then at Germany

[EstWRC]

Stéphane Lefebvre and his co-driver were taken by helicopter to the hospital, they are safe

[Rallyper]

Avarage speed at Finland stages is much more higher then at Germany

Average speed has nothing to do with my thoughts on tarmac. You mean they don´t go faster on places?

[KKS]

Stéphane Lefebvre and his co-driver were taken by helicopter to the hospital, they are safe
Good news!

[Astro83]

Avarage speed at Finland stages is much more higher then at Germany

Yea, rally is dangerus and will always be so.
I dont agree that they need to bring down the speed but anyway a discussion is not a wrong way to go.

But Germany is far from Finland, Sweden etc..

But is the car from 2017 so much different from the 08-10 cars?

[dimviii]

Les deux membres de l’équipage sont partis en hélicoptère à l’hôpital, Stéphane est sorti seul de l’auto.

from google translate

The two crew members went by helicopter to hospital, Stéphane was released one self.

[KKS]

Average speed has nothing to do with my thoughts on tarmac. You mean they don´t go faster on places?
They go at same speed at Germany and at Finland, but acceleration and direction change is more faster on tarmac. But directly it won't affect to top speed too much

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just hearing the news... good luck Lefebvre & Moreau.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqS4kAiWAAAaNax.jpg

[Astro83]

Good news from Stephane and his co-driver

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cars returning to the start of stage...

https://twitter.com/FRST_CH/status/766936479251755008

[KKS]

So with that accident - expecting some extra hour delay of start after-service section?

[Simmi]

I´ve had critisism against these fast tarmac rallies before. Then I decided to leave that issue. Now I think a serious discussion is needed about the way WRC is heading. Next year even faster cars...

Given no one has seen the accident or knows anything about it I'd say it's too early to be making judgments.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg going straight on on SS7, same place as Mikkelsen..

https://twitter.com/rallyemag/status/766895367040270336

[Rallyper]

Given no one has seen the accident or knows anything about it I'd say it's too early to be making judgments.

And I haven´t. Just general thoughts about tarmac. What we ´ve heard is driver and codriver hurt in some way. Enough for me, though.

[denkimi]

neuville crashed.

https://twitter.com/RubenOteroDo/status/766950978021126144

[EstWRC]

JoMoWRC ‏@JoMoWRC 3m3 minutes ago
.@BPiallat confirms both Stéphane and Gabin have been lifted to hospital and Gabin may have a broken leg.

[dimviii]

lol wtf?

Jack Hintz ‏@jackhintz

"White bread goes in your ass" - Ott Tanak, Rally Deutschland 2016

[EstWRC]

lol...Becsy was intervewing him moments ago in media zone and in the end she asked what is Ott eating and Ott had black bread and then he said that black bread is better because white bread goes into your ass

[dimviii]

Gabin & Stephane went on a chopper for the hopiltal ..Gabin examinations be a little problem at the pool ...
"Press PH Sport:
"The car is destroyed. Gabin a broken leg, said Stéphane us, "said Bernard Piallat, boss PHSport, the structure in charge of Citroën.

"Stephane looked rang but seems unharmed, according to him. However in the ambulance for a check. As for Gabin, he feels his legs, that's reassuring. Later we will know the exact nature of his injuries, if the leg is broken or not, "said Bernard Piallat.

The two men were eventually taken by helicopter to a local hospital, said Citroen. "

[Ucci]

I pray for both-hope for least possible injures.
And now back to enoj beautiful Adriatc sea, shame waisting time behind comp....

[Simmi]

While we wait - anyone know what happened with Chris Ingram? 'Mechanical' retirement on SS1. No Rally2. Real shame.

Hoping for a bit more news on his former co-driver. If it's 'only' a broken leg then that can be considered good news I guess. Bones heal, rally cars can be re-built and all that. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they've hit a hinkelstein.

[Zeakiwi]

Crews given times in stage 10

[mousti]

While we wait - anyone know what happened with Chris Ingram? 'Mechanical' retirement on SS1. No Rally2. Real shame.

Hoping for a bit more news on his former co-driver. If it's 'only' a broken leg then that can be considered good news I guess. Bones heal, rally cars can be re-built and all that. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they've hit a hinkelstein.
Car is destroyed.

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[EstWRC]

http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/uk/artikel/update-incident-during-the-rally-the-driver-and-co-driver-of-car-number-10-were-taken-to-hospital-and-examined-230874

Munich/Trier, 20 August, 2016 – The driver and co-driver of car number 10 were taken to hospital and examined after their accident in SS10. The examinations revealed fractures and internal injuries, so they will need to stay for residential treatment. According to the doctors, their injuries are not life threatening.

[Simmi]

New update: http://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/uk/artikel/update-incident-during-the-rally-the-driver-and-co-driver-of-car-number-10-were-taken-to-hospital-and-examined-230874

[EstWRC]

the crash must have been happened at this spot

https://s4.postimg.org/f0h4s80zx/12345.jpg

[dimviii]

from wrc data seems that its a fast spot with Ogier data showing 151 km/h.
Any pictures from the damaged ds3?


Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport

#WRC #Tyre info:
All Michelin lWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport S except Ogier 4S+1H
#RallyeDeutschland

[EstWRC]

Yes it is a fast spot, in wrc+ Lefebvres speed was stuck in 166km/h after the crash, so it was sure a big one. no pictures or videos yet.

[dimviii]

Neuvilles fans wants him at citroen

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13925185_10154386155317243_761996732893654573_n.jp g?oh=a25b89fea0314e5970985f88444826aa&oe=584E6708

[dimviii]

from French forum

From the parents ... Gabin is in the operating room has a broken ankle we'll put him Pin ... Gabin as has his mom !! We all reassured ... Do not spread false information thank you ....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rain around now... tyre choices already made...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqTg28XXYAAO5Fs.jpg

[AL14]

Rain around now... tyre choices already made...


Do we know which one?

[dupanton]

Do we know which one?

It's on the previous page ;)

#WRC #Tyre info:
All Michelin lWRC drivers with 5 Michelin Pilot Sport S except Ogier 4S+1H
#RallyeDeutschland

[dupanton]

While we wait - anyone know what happened with Chris Ingram? 'Mechanical' retirement on SS1. No Rally2. Real shame.


Not mechanical, but an off. And I suppose a big one as they didn't restart...

[dimviii]

Sat 15:38 - Weather update
Heavy rain on the Freisen-Westrich stage since the earlier pass. It has stopped now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

VolkswagenMotorsport ‏@VolkswagenRally 1m1 minute ago
SS11 is a completely new stage, in the countryside with a lot of cutting. Hay bales will prevent the drivers from too much cutting. Careful!

[dimviii]

Ogier took 6,7 sec !!

[dimviii]

Lets see if Sordo can pass Neuville,fast 1st split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak really struggling...

[Eli]

nope, still 4 o/a... 0.6 seconds between the 2 Hyundai's now...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak alternator issue :(

[EstWRC]

alternator finished for Tänak

[dimviii]

alternator finished for Tänak

with so many stages to come,if the alternator is finished will not manage to end.

from Lefebvres facebook

Stéphane Lefebvre and Gabin Moreau went off the road on SS10 of the ADAC Rallye Deutschland this Saturday 20 August.

Both remained conscious and were transported to hospital for examination. Tests revealed several fractures. Gabin was operated on this afternoon to reduce the fracture to his left ankle.

With their families at their side, Stéphane and Gabin wish to thank the rescue teams for their actions, as well as the crews and fans who showed their support.

[Rallyper]

Ostberg in 5th then ... ;)
Shows it´s needed some brain as well in Germany.

[cali]

Ostberg in 5th then ... ;)
Shows it´s needed some brain as well in Germany.
Yeah, real brain use there... Lol

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

[BicioWrc]

:D considering the years of experience and pace don't know if we will see again Ostberg next year is an official team...
Tanak still stopped we can consider him retired:(

[EstWRC]

Lol!

E:Tänak moving

[BicioWrc]

yes he is moving now!

[EstWRC]

Yes but back to service...the end for him :(

[satukata]

Yes but back to service...the end for him :(

poor Ott

[BicioWrc]

opss...took wrong way:D (is going back to service pack:( )

[Mirek]

Ostberg in 5th then ... ;)
Shows it´s needed some brain as well in Germany.

Not anymore. Paddon has just moved ahead.

[dimviii]

according to Mikkelsen this stage wasnt full of mud from cutting. At this stage we saw except Mikkelsen,Sordo and Neuville with top times.

Sat 16:16 - SS12: Mikkelsen
One-tenth up on Ogier. "There is not so much cutting here, no mud surprises and that helped. It was a good stage, pushing as hard as we dare. No problems."

[EstWRC]

Lefebvre accident video https://www.facebook.com/SPORT1Motorsport/videos/1086993691386388/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

[dimviii]

Not anymore. Paddon has just moved ahead.

Paddon has no brain.















sorry Per couldnt resist.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/drinks.gif

[satukata]

I think Camilli is "WRC tourist"

Hope Msport choose faster drivers 2017

[satukata]

Lefebvre accident video https://www.facebook.com/SPORT1Motorsport/videos/1086993691386388/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

very hard crash. whole front of the car is very bad damaged

[BicioWrc]

Honestly i don't think Camilli is "Wrc tourist" but for sure we could expect a lot more here in germany and also in previous events considering the good stages he made in portugal and italy; i'm still agree that actually he isn't at level to have a "factory car", also because considering he have ostberg as teamate he will have to show atleast to be already as same level atleast as speed...

[dimviii]

Lefebvre accident video https://www.facebook.com/SPORT1Motorsport/videos/1086993691386388/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

very big crash ,nothing exists in front of the windscreen.
Neuville going wide and hitting a camera
https://twitter.com/JariMatti_fani?lang=el



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqT0UUTWYAEwDI3.jpg

[EstWRC]

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres 2m2 minutes ago
Unfortunately @OttTanak has retired from fifth place with a broken alternator in Germany.

[Simmi]

Honestly i don't think Camilli is "Wrc tourist" but for sure we could expect a lot more here in germany and also in previous events considering the good stages he made in portugal and italy; i'm still agree that actually he isn't at level to have a "factory car", also because considering he have ostberg as teamate he will have to show atleast to be already as same level atleast as speed...

I don't think he's a tourist either. And to be honest I think more often then not he is on the same level as Ostberg pace-wise - as long as he can keep it on the road. For sure Mads is more consistent - but look at the massive difference in WRC car experience between the two guys.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqT2JNxWgAA9Iqt.jpg

[smsgrafica]

Reminds me a bit of Delecour's Mitsubishi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxeqZF36CYc

[GigiGalliNo1]

I think Camilli is "WRC tourist"

Hope Msport choose faster drivers 2017

Maybe M-Sport builds better WRCar?

[Mirek]

Maybe M-Sport builds better WRCar?

In rallying drivers are the bigger contributor to the good result than cars.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Well. That was true with Skoda and McRae

[dimviii]

Latvala/Ostberg: 4S+2H Ogier/Camilli/Paddon/Neuville: 5S Mikkelsen : 4H+2S Sordo: 4S+1H

[dimviii]

Neuville now 8,3 sec from Mikkelsen.
Sordo 3,7 behind Neuville.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUHvfRW8AAQJIy.jpg

[Mirek]

Well. That was true with Skoda and McRae

That's general rule.

[dupanton]

Bad splits for Mikkelsen. Looks like battle at the front will be over... Neuville and Sordo might pass him.

[AL14]

Ogier's mom should have get pregnant 10 years earlier.

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14066492_10154488643259973_8845516421240294052_o.j pg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13909405_10154488643264973_282276099287702342_o.jp g

[dupanton]

Mikkelsen keeps P2, but will be a big fight with Neuville and Sordo tomorrow!!

[dimviii]

Stéphane Lefebvre ‏@SLefebvreRallye

I have no enough words to say to you how many your lovely messages make us feel better. We hope to be back soon. #RallyFamily

[KKS]

Just imagine if Ogier didn't participate in this rally. 3 drivers in 4.0sec on battle to win

[dimviii]

michelin motorsport leg 2
https://youtu.be/JNIkFz8KfNs

[dimviii]

high speed Neuvilles moment into the grass next of trees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWI87PjAOgo

[danon]

Huge accident... thanks god Lefebvre and Moreau got away alive with only bone and stress fractures. Get well soon guys.

[Astro83]

Huge accident... thanks god Lefebvre and Moreau got away alive with only bone and stress fractures. Get well soon guys.

+1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any news what they hit... that's big front damage and worrying that they werent better protected.

Reminds me of when Breen's codriver Gareth Roberts was killed when a barrier came through the car...

[the sniper]

Any news what they hit... that's big front damage and worrying that they werent better protected.

Reminds me of when Breen's codriver Gareth Roberts was killed when a barrier came through the car...

Autosport/David Evans believes it was a tree: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125771/lefebvremoreau-hurt-in-highspeed-crash

[N.O.T]

Any news what they hit... that's big front damage and worrying that they werent better protected.

Reminds me of when Breen's codriver Gareth Roberts was killed when a barrier came through the car...

How is the accident similar ? you see any barriers around ? How can cars be better protected from front end crashes ?

[Eli]

well at least they're fine and only have minor injuries (Gabin), could have been a lot worse...fingers crossed they get well soon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

One of the worst things you can hit as they are just solid and dont give way.

Must've been a huge negative g stop, hence the internal injuries. :(

[Mirek]

Must've been a huge negative g stop, hence the internal injuries. :(

The human body is very interesting thing. Some organs are critically damaged by acceleration, some by movement, some only by deformation. For most of the internal organs the critical criterion is movement inside the body hence the 6-points wide seat belts. Acceleration is critical mainly for the brain and the deformation mainly for legs, hands and spine. The heavy head is now kept on place by HANS but in the same time the restrained head sufferes a lot more from acceleration of the brain. That's why modern helmets intended for use with HANS have special internal structure to soften the acceleration. Normally a healthy person can survive around 100 g for some milliseconds but common g-meters can't measure such short peaks. Only sppecial accelerometers used in crash tests are able to do so. That's why the numbers often presented on public are pure BS such as " he survived huge 20g". I would estimate that You can achieve a lot over 20g by a football header :)

[COD]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14066492_10154488643259973_8845516421240294052_o.j pg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13909405_10154488643264973_282276099287702342_o.jp g

Than god they are ok. But with higher cornering speeds next year....

[PLuto]

Than god they are ok. But with higher cornering speeds next year....

Yes, thats the reason why I am afraid of new WRC monsters...

[N.O.T]

What is your opinion on the Isle of Man TT ?

None is forcing anyone to drive, you know.

[dimviii]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/25/78/Rallye_Deutschland_2016_104_257875_57b8a1baa.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/25/78/Rallye_Deutschland_2016_096_257853_57b8a1b2b.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/25/58/Rallye_Deutschland_2016_RM_074_255836_57b786389.jp g



https://youtu.be/QTgmPgQ5vl0

[dimviii]

Autosport/David Evans believes it was a tree: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125771/lefebvremoreau-hurt-in-highspeed-crash

to me its seems like a hintelstein(sorry if i wrote it wrong)

[AL14]

Onboard Lefebvre crash https://youtu.be/URdoIGakwUU

[Simmi]

to me its seems like a hintelstein(sorry if i wrote it wrong)

Skimmed off the hinklesteins and into a tree. No way the onboard camera was standing up to that impact.

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fath3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14102354_1426621217354480_7554522869689855178_n.jp g?oh=7aac4cff3e5e8cd8bb0e3f65d94ba961&oe=581248AA

[dimviii]

Onboard Lefebvre crash https://youtu.be/URdoIGakwUU

there is Sordo incar from your link

[dimviii]

Skimmed off the hinklesteins and into a tree. No way the onboard camera was standing up to that impact.

have you seen a video?

[N.O.T]

Onboard Lefebvre crash https://youtu.be/URdoIGakwUU

get your act together... kid.

[focus206]

have you seen a video?

The beginning of the crash is shown in the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wv-v9l3X18

[AL14]

The beginning of the crash is shown in the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wv-v9l3X18
Aaaand this was the video I wanted to link. Just typed the wrong url lol

[Mirek]

Than god they are ok. But with higher cornering speeds next year....

I wonder why they didn't opt for a space frame instead of classic bodyshell when the cars are anyway moving farther from the stock ones. It would make things easier for the teams and it would allow better optimalization of the whole package even in terms of safety.

[KKS]

https://youtu.be/QTgmPgQ5vl0
Thanks for video!
Watch another from that channel aswell! Goodone!

[Simmi]

I wonder why they didn't opt for a space frame instead of classic bodyshell when the cars are anyway moving farther from the stock ones. It would make things easier for the teams and it would allow better optimalization of the whole package even in terms of safety.

Have there been any safety upgrades at all announced for the 2017 cars? Normally that is built into all new regulations - or certainly should be.

[dimviii]

Skimmed off the hinklesteins and into a tree. No way the onboard camera was standing up to that impact.
video is stopped after the crash at hinkelsteins.Only if they upload some other video from outside from spectators we will see what happened.

[N.O.T]

video is stopped after the crash at hinkelsteins.Only if they upload some other video from outside from spectators we will see what happened.

from the onboard doesn't seem they were any spectators around. maybe a helicopter view.

[N.O.T]

from the onboard doesn't seem they were any spectators around. maybe a helicopter view.

correction. there were some but i cannot see if anyone is holding a mobile or camera.

http://i.imgur.com/2VH4yIg.jpg

[dimviii]

Thanks for video!
Watch another from that channel aswell! Goodone!


this one must be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCdQzzTUU9k

thanks mate!

[dimviii]

from the onboard doesn't seem they were any spectators around. maybe a helicopter view.

even if they have recorded it,i doubt they will show it.


https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13934662_939768826149012_614239222862558676_n.jpg? oh=104b56057ec7f4fe42dd34e7692086ec&oe=58154883

[Simmi]

video is stopped after the crash at hinkelsteins.Only if they upload some other video from outside from spectators we will see what happened.

Video stops as the car piles into a tree. Not sure what more needs explaining?

[stefanvv]

Video stops as the car piles into a tree. Not sure what more needs explaining?

Hinkelsteins only slowed it don a bit but not much. Anyway it must be serious speed misjudgement in that corner, perhaps pacenote was too optimistic.

[danon]

Luckily Neuville Y. Skoda Fabia S2000 ended up into a tree with the rear end of the car. I hate posting crash vids but you can watch it on the tube -> ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2016 Hard CRASH Neuville Y. Skoda Fabia S2000

[dimviii]

Video stops as the car piles into a tree. Not sure what more needs explaining?

didnt see any tree Simmi at this video,thats why i said it.

[Simmi]

didnt see any tree Simmi at this video,thats why i said it.

Okay dude. I know you know what a tree looks like so I won't patronize you.


A couple of bits from tonight's TV coverage - did anyone see how low that heli was getting!!! About as low as I've ever seen in the WRC. Also - is it me or is the WRC2 coverage getting even shorter!?

[Eli]

just saw the Day 2 highlights on WRC+, why is John Desbrough still there? and is it just me or the coverage of each rally this year is even worse than last year? (and obviously the year(s) that's gone before). and why are they showing me just hairpins? what happened to the jumps (also the jump in panzerplatte where there's a big redbull banner- http://sport-heute.ch/up/5/3255_5.jpg ,this jump)

[dimviii]

Luckily Neuville Y. Skoda Fabia S2000 ended up into a tree with the rear end of the car. I hate posting crash vids but you can watch it on the tube -> ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2016 Hard CRASH Neuville Y. Skoda Fabia S2000

Serderidis company( arms ) had stickers at both cars,Lefebvres and Neuvilles.

[dimviii]

Okay dude. I know you know what a tree looks like so I won't patronize you.


i really dont understant your post.Did i said that i dont know whats a tree?
if you saw any hit with a tree tell me where to stop the video to watch it.
Car hits 5-6 hintelsteins at very high speed,and thats enough to through out the engineand all the front crossmember.If this major damage was from a tree the engine hood wouldnt be at its place.

[stefanvv]

just saw the Day 2 highlights on WRC+, why is John Desbrough still there? and is it just me or the coverage of each rally this year is even worse than last year? (and obviously the year(s) that's gone before). and why are they showing me just hairpins? what happened to the jumps (also the jump in panzerplatte where there's a big redbull banner- http://sport-heute.ch/up/5/3255_5.jpg ,this jump)

Just cancel the subscription. I did it month ago and it is blessing.

[stefanvv]

Car hits 5-6 hintelsteins at very high speed

Believe me if it "hits" only 1 is enough for total damage. It just skimmed off them.

[Rally Power]

Wow, that was a huge impact. Good to hear they’re ok, despite the injuries. Hope they get a good recovery and be back as soon as possible.

[Simmi]

i really dont understant your post.Did i said that i dont know whats a tree?
if you saw any hit with a tree tell me where to stop the video to watch it.
Car hits 5-6 hintelsteins at very high speed,and thats enough to through out the engineand all the front crossmember.If this major damage was from a tree the engine hood wouldnt be at its place.

You don't see the tree because the camera cuts out at the point of the massive impact. The hinkelsteins aren't what rips the engine from the front of the car. It seems pretty clear cut - I don't really see the confusion?

[danon]

Lefebvre didn't get caught by the stone guards along the road rolling the car over... that could have ended up even worse. The stones slowed him down prior to collision thanks to the higher speed.

[Rally Power]

The beginning of the crash is shown in the highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wv-v9l3X18
The onboard gives the idea the car hit the stones (or whatever they’re called) with the left rear wheel and marks on the grass, seen on the aerial after crash view, indicate it went off the road, eventually crashing into the tree on a frontal impact.


Lefebvre accident video https://www.facebook.com/SPORT1Motorsport/videos/1086993691386388/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
Considering the speed and the tree size, it could be much worse if it was a lateral impact.


Btw, tomorrow must be interesting to follow: 2nd overall fight’s still open, just like on WRC2 and WRC3. Lappi and Tempestini have been doing a great job (and also Pryce on DMC).

[danon]

Ogier back to seek and destroy mode...

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14054411_632131050275747_450769449201507640_o.jpg

[stefanvv]

Ogier's mom should have get pregnant 10 years earlier.

The Russians have some saying about "Two bears in a single lair". It wouldn't work....

[danon]

@dimviii Happy Birthday -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7ulsNkPXk

[danon]

Ogier haripin bend - SS1 Mittelmosel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ge5r6DqWhE

Neuville haripin bend - SS1 Mittelmosel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki-Uku6sI54

Paddon haripin bend - SS1 Mittelmosel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW2Z5wJ6rg0

Mikkelsen haripin bend - SS1 Mittelmosel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4zBhvEE94Q

[KKS]

i really dont understant your post.Did i said that i dont know whats a tree?
if you saw any hit with a tree tell me where to stop the video to watch it.
Car hits 5-6 hintelsteins at very high speed,and thats enough to through out the engineand all the front crossmember.If this major damage was from a tree the engine hood wouldnt be at its place.
dimviii, Lefebrve defenetly hit something after that moment with hinkelsteins. They rip off left suspention and he slide into a left ditch. You don't see it on video but on video we saw that after kissing a stones engine still with car. If engine was rip off at that moment with hinkelstiens - they fly in this direction after that point, but he didn't. And on heli-video oil trail from engine clearly shows direction from the point where engine was ripped off the car.
http://i.piccy.info/i9/2ec8b374ab874c5387c05071dce6400e/1471744848/272505/1052502/Lefebvre_Germany_2016.jpg

PS I pick this view to show some tyres slide near trees, 2 or 3 seconds earlier oil trail - more visible

[denkimi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VT2ovpjoZA

they don't seem to have made a big difference in 6 years.

[Grundo Farb]

He had many problems (clipped kerb, steering, handbrake) but thats just 'moaning' isnt it. He's still ahead of Paddon but no-one says anything about him.

Because its only Paddons 8th Tarmac event ever (in any car) vs Mads been driving in the WRC for many years.

[raybak]

So are we going to hear Ogier complain that the he is too far back and getting a dirty road today?