Kenotec Ypres Rally 23-25 June 2016

[Jasper]

That's completely correct from them. Yellow flag in rallying has very different meaning than on circuits. It means that the stage is canceled for every crew which is shown the yellow flag and the decision about it is only up to the clerk of the stage. No marshal can decide on his own.

The situation was to dangerous to not show a yellow flag. Crashes happened over crest, so the upcoming drivers didn't see the car + the crowD around it. There where no actions taken by the stewards, i even think they didn't contact the clerk of the stage.

[mousti]

That's completely correct from them. Yellow flag in rallying has very different meaning than on circuits. It means that the stage is canceled for every crew which is shown the yellow flag and the decision about it is only up to the clerk of the stage. No marshal can decide on his own.

There is also different ruling in BRC than in ERC, in BRC the flag would have been used for this situation but not waving the flag (If I recall correctly.

[Mirek]

The situation was to dangerous to not show a yellow flag. Crashes happened over crest, so the upcoming drivers didn't see the car + the crowD around it. There where no actions taken by the stewards, i even think they didn't contact the clerk of the stage.

I am sorry but marshal is not allowed to use yellow flag on his own decision. Only clerk of the stage can decide to cancel the stage for several crews. That's the rule and everybody must follow it.

They can slow the cars down by other means but not by yellow flag.


There is also different ruling in BRC than in ERC, in BRC the flag would have been used for this situation but not waving the flag (If I recall correctly.

ERC event is run under the international sporting code of FIA.

[Jasper]

I am sorry but marshal is not allowed to use yellow flag on his own decision. Only clerk of the stage can decide to cancel the stage for several crews. That's the rule and everybody must follow it.

They can slow the cars down by other means but not by yellow flag.



ERC event is run under the international sporting code of FIA.


You don't have to be sorry. I understand your point. I just wanted to explain the situation. In my opinion the stewards made a mistake. If they solve it by a yellow flag or something else, makes no difference to me. Safety first ;)

[Mirek]

You don't have to be sorry. I understand your point. I just wanted to explain the situation. In my opinion the stewards made a mistake. If they solve it by a yellow flag or something else, makes no difference to me. Safety first ;)

It would create a mess. The stage would be de facto canceled for the affected crews (they have to continue the stage in road-section mode when a yellow flag is shown to them) but it would not be canceled de jure as competent body didn't make the decision to cancel the stage. In that case the crews would probably receive no notional times or at least a chaos would start. That's why the use of yellow flag in rallying is not ideal and in my opinion the rule shall be changed - for example by using two different flag colors. In this case I think they shall have slowed the next crews down by gesticulation.

[sete]

It was really great event
you can see my gallery here
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1458

[dimviii]

nice photos sete,thanks!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ypres Rally in talks with the British Rally Ch'ship for 2017 according to Motoring News !!

[Simmi]

Ypres Rally in talks with the British Rally Ch'ship for 2017 according to Motoring News !!

Seems that the British championship (it's confusing in this context to refer to it as the BRC) is looking to expand next year. The organising parties had conversations about it at WRC Sardinia. Ypres manager Penasse is open to it - says it's down to the British championship to decide. They are talking to competitors as supposedly they will lock in the British calendar by the end of July. But it doesn't sound like a done deal - even though the headline says 'BRC to Ypres'.

No word or sign this is any kind of replacement for the ERC. Only the harsh words we heard from Penasse ahead of the event.

[Mintexmemory]

Seems that the British championship (it's confusing in this context to refer to it as the BRC) is looking to expand next year. The organising parties had conversations about it at WRC Sardinia. Ypres manager Penasse is open to it - says it's down to the British championship to decide. They are talking to competitors as supposedly they will lock in the British calendar by the end of July. But it doesn't sound like a done deal - even though the headline says 'BRC to Ypres'.

No word or sign this is any kind of replacement for the ERC. Only the harsh words we heard from Penasse ahead of the event.

Sorry haven't been following the Ypres thread - Is there a doubt regarding Ypres being an ERC round in future? If so that would be absolutely stupid. But a BRC concurrent round would be great - I'd go!! (3rd time if it's on next year)

[Mirek]

Do You guys really support the idea to have a round of national championship held behind The Channel? It must be very costly for the local teams.

[Simmi]

Do You guys really support the idea to have a round of national championship held behind The Channel? It must be very costly for the local teams.

It feels like potentially a year or two too early for this move - given the series has only just been restored to health. Don't run before you can walk. But there's plenty of precedent for it in the UK. We have British GT rounds at Spa, and other single seater events abroad. Plus it would be another event with some decent mileage which we are lacking right now.

From a cost point of view, Ypres is so close to the UK mainland that it is probably cheaper to do than the Manx. And the plan looks to be two dropped scores during the championship - so no one is tied into doing it if they didn't want to.

Like mintexmemory said I would happily travel to this if it happened.

The story is published now anyway: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125032/brc-could-add-ypres-to-2017-calendar

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe Ypres are using this as a lever to try and get the ERC to up their game...

[Mintexmemory]

Far cheaper ferry costs to Dunkirk or Calais than to the IoM and from London about 110 miles on the road so much closer. Camping in Ypres is excellent so if it was a round of BRC I reckon there'd be a Brit invasion (Unless there is a Brexit prohibition on continental travel!!)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For those non-UK fans that haven't seen MN:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmGcqHTWMAAcnxf.jpg:large

[Markkula89]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh8mM6A629A

[itix]

Ypres Rally in talks with the British Rally Ch'ship for 2017 according to Motoring News !!
Was? They can't even claim connection via the EU anymore... British championship my ass.

[Mintexmemory]

Was? They can't even claim connection via the EU anymore... British championship my ass.
EC membership not necessary. UK is still a member of Eurovision, member countries are all in UEFA. We also have a long standing record of having fought for Belgium's existence since 1815. No small matter of Brexit will come between Brits and Belgies!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Was? They can't even claim connection via the EU anymore... British championship my ass.

Britain is a part of Europe... it just doesnt want to be ruled by it.

[br21]

Yes, but if you're not part of EU it's much more difficult with logistics

[Mintexmemory]

Yes, but if you're not part of EU it's much more difficult with logistics

It never was pre-EC membership but it will certainly affect alcohol and tobacco sales in Belgium and France as UK tax will be payable once again for import.
However that won't affect 2017 (and in all probability up to 2020!)
The UK is a member of the EC until it leaves - so no barrier to Ypres in the immediate future.

[PLuto]

No, it hasn't been shared before. Thanks for that, I love such teamwork :)

I have just had a look at the results of Junior ERC - 5 Opel Adams in top 6!

All Peugeot drivers were crashing :)

[PLuto]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/01/66/12/Ypern_Rallye_2016_016_1661203_576ce786.jpg


Jean-Francois is instructing Bryan how to use new mapping of launch control :)

[PLuto]

So he crashes not only in European, but also in Czech and Norwegian championship. International driver ;)

He didnt crashed in Czech this year yet...

[PLuto]

Pluto any explaination?

Lukyanuk retired. Stayed at service. #FIAERC #YpresRally

Maybe electric problems. He was not able to restart the car there.

[PLuto]

Abbring is saying Hyundai are running the car like they would be running it in WRC2, including 'WRC2 fuel' which would be slower than what ERC field is running.

Can anyone explain what 'WRC2 settings' mean? I can imagine different tyres and maybe the car is setup to be a bit more durable?

Ok, forget these words. We dont know how "real" was this R5 car. We dont know which fuel they used, which tyres they have used and how often they were changing them...

[PLuto]

On friday we did Dikkebus - Langemark (+ historic cars FIA) and Wijtschate. Place in Langemark was really fast (left 6) Abbring/Princen/Loix/Bouffier/Lefebvre did it flat out. In Wijtschate we stood just before the place where Snijers and Serderidis went in a ditch. Strange and dangerous situation, the stewards said they were not allowed the show a yellow flag to warn the other drivers (??). Even when we tried to slow down the drivers the stewards where cursing and swearing at us.

This is rallysport, not circuits. In rally, yellow flag has different meaning than in races (it is same like red flag on circuits).

[PLuto]

It never was pre-EC membership but it will certainly affect alcohol and tobacco sales in Belgium and France as UK tax will be payable once again for import.
However that won't affect 2017 (and in all probability up to 2020!)
The UK is a member of the EC until it leaves - so no barrier to Ypres in the immediate future.

Are you sure, if you will go out of EU, it will be same for competitors? Ask each owner of Ford rally car. And ask Malcolm how it should affect his business... And we will see, if UK will go out of EU, what will happen with Schengen and other EU things. Maybe there will be again necessary to have ATA Carnet?

[FullThrottleVids]

EC membership not necessary. UK is still a member of Eurovision, member countries are all in UEFA. We also have a long standing record of having fought for Belgium's existence since 1815. No small matter of Brexit will come between Brits and Belgies!

1815??? you mean the "United Kingdom of the Netherlands" then... Belgium came in to existance in 1830 with a little help of the French, not the british...

[Jasper]

This is rallysport, not circuits. In rally, yellow flag has different meaning than in races (it is same like red flag on circuits).

I know the meaning of a yellow flag in rally and i know it's rally, not circuit.

[John Williams]

Do You guys really support the idea to have a round of national championship held behind The Channel? It must be very costly for the local teams.

Yes. 100%

If the BRC is to expand it will need more foreign drivers to enter.

It is cheaper to get to Belgium than it is to Ireland or Isle of Man.

[Mirek]

He didnt crashed in Czech this year yet...

Krumlov can be called a crash even though the car was still working but the crew was not.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ypres videos not posted here - great pure sound. :cool:

https://youtu.be/TTE75QCGI98

https://youtu.be/Mrafzh74v9U

[denkimi]

Ok, forget these words. We dont know how "real" was this R5 car. We dont know which fuel they used, which tyres they have used and how often they were changing them...

it would be quite stupid not to use this possibility to compare the speed of their car.
everything else can be tested without competition, so why would they even drive here if not to know how fast they are in equal conditions compared to the other r5 cars?

[Mirek]

The fact is that we don't know if the car they run is going to be homologated (it may be even so that there is something which can't go through FIA homologation process which even the team doesn't know about). We don't know the stage times. We don't know which tyres they used and how often they changed them. We don't know which fuel they used. That all we don't know therefore anything else is for everyone to believe or not. It's not only testing. It's also a message to the customers and competitors and an important PR.

[TWRC]

He didn't start at the correct time (at 00 in a minute), usually some seconds earlier/later. Only people from timekeeping and people from Hyundai can tell. Anyway I have serious doubts about this car, nothing had to comply with any homologation, so they can use the car they want, in terms of pop-off, restrictor etc they can actually do whatever they want. They say it's an R5, but who will tell? Maybe the 208 T16 Meeke used in Ypres some years ago is faster than the homologated version now... ;) Anyway in terms of chassis/suspension it looks like a very stable car, good base.
That 208 with Meeke was said to be about 0.2 s/km slower than Neuville and Fiesta there and then.

[TWRC]

Just a bit of info from Botka's interview after the event:
-They'll miss the next two rounds and rejoin the championship on Barum, as they need to test with the car.
-Said testing is required because they used Citroën Racing recommended settings in Ypres and he said the car was "undriveable".
-They had to retire after the gearbox command cable was torn for the second time, and they didn't want to cause more damage to the car (the gearbox was in 4th or 5th if I remember correctly). He said "the leading Citroëns" had this same problem, but don't know if that means both Bouffier/Lefebvre or just one of them.

[br21]

I know at least one more Citroen with same problem.
And if they wanted to drive in Ypres with base Citroen Racing setup it's completely stupid. Ypres is very special rally, I think such setup you never use in any other place in the world.
I think Hyundai drove on WRC Panta fuel and typical R-spec ERC tires.

[MK2 BDG]

Only on a few special stages there where some muddy/wet places. In the most places the cuts where dry. So 1s/km will be a bit exaggerated i think.

Agree,, Was surprised how dry it was,, the cut's, in the main were not too bad, have certainly seen it a lot worse