Rally Portugal 2016

[satukata]

is there live tv ss12?

[Francisco Veloso]

is there live tv ss12?

Yes, at least here in Portugal. I'll try to get you a stream. Probably the official one will not work due to broadcast rights.

[PLuto]

Yep but back then Daniel Elena miscalculated the distance back to service so they ran out of fuel...

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For sure, in this teams, distances and fuel consumption is not calculated by codrivers... I know that with Citroen DS3 in lower categories (R3, R5) there is problem with sensors showing correct ammount of fuel in tank, so calculations are not so easy...

[PLuto]

Yes, at leat here in Portugal.

On official WRC page nothing today...

[Eli]

For sure, in this teams, distances and fuel consumption is not calculated by codrivers... I know that with Citroen DS3 in lower categories (R3, R5) there is problem with sensors showing correct ammount of fuel in tank, so calculations are not so easy...
Yeah well that was the Xsara WRC back then...

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[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-W-CnWEAADOhT.jpg:large

[Kielder]

Yep but back then Daniel Elena miscalculated the distance back to service so they ran out of fuel...

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I believe it was a Elena's mistake during road section. They were lost and made some kilometers more than expected. I remember Loeb blaming Elena, like Japan 2007.

[Eli]

I believe it was a Elena's mistake during road section. They were lost and made some kilometers more than expected. I remember Loeb blaming Elena, like Japan 2007.
Yea you are correct it was during laison..

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[dimviii]

I believe it was a Elena's mistake during road section. They were lost and made some kilometers more than expected. I remember Loeb blaming Elena, like Japan 2007.

thats what i remember too.They were lost at liasion and run out of fuel

[Kielder]

To see the next stage live on RTP2:

http://www.meocanaltv.com/canais.php?stream=RTP2

[satukata]

what time live tv start?

[Kielder]

Three minutes left...

[Mirek]

I think last time on so top level was Tour de Corse and Kubica in Citroen...

Running out of fuel may be also a result of technical problem. It may not be just a wrongly calculated fuel quantity.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp2

Works great with Hola :)

[dimviii]

Kevin Abbring
‏@KevinAbbring

No words, all I can do is learn, look ahead focus on Sardinia -again a rock sticking out which wasn't in the notes..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-ZCtXWgAAF1Kk.jpg

[dimviii]

Sunninen was 2.7 sec slower from Evans at finish.

[Kielder]

Last year, I was at this part of the stage. It has really interesting spots, they will look great on TV, mainly the downhill and the jump before the end.

[dimviii]

Last year, I was at this part of the stage. It has really interesting spots, they will look great on TV, mainly the downhill and the jump before the end.

still waiting your comments from yesterday passes.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/mad.gif

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-dI9xXAAAozML.jpg:large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala back ahead of Ostberg who only has FWD.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke fastest again.

BTW, cant believe what happened to Neuville... any confirmed explanation yet ?

[dimviii]

wow watch 1st split for Meeke

[Mintexmemory]

Mikkelsen is really fast today. He is showing that he can if he wants..

No he is not 'really' fast he is just faster than Sordo (in a superior car for the conditions) - Meeke is the yardstick for 'really fast' today.

[Eric]

No he is not 'really' fast he is just faster than Sordo (in a superior car for the conditions) - Meeke is the yardstick for 'really fast' today.

Meeke isn't driving under same conditions as the rest of the drivers. Look at the first 5-6 drivers and you will se that Mikkelsen is doing a great job today

[USER47]

Camilli seems to be getting a bit too confident. It's good he's not broken after the start of the season, but I hope he won't crash again. He's almost a second faster than Ogier on second split:-D

[Mintexmemory]

Only Sordo is really competing in the top6 on the road (experience and something to drive for). Mikkelsen is under-performing consistently

[N.O.T]

Meeke isn't driving under same conditions as the rest of the drivers. Look at the first 5-6 drivers and you will se that Mikkelsen is doing a great job today

he was driving under the same conditions on the repeated stages yesterday and the result was not much different

[dimviii]

Ogier after ss12

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-f3KtWUAAvS8g.jpg

[N.O.T]

very nice drive by meeke so far... lets hope it stays that way, he can afford to relax a bit now.

[Mirek]

Evans reported to be stopped.

[EightGear]

If Ogier doesn't win, it will be the first time since he's joined VW that he's not won a rally for 3 events in a row.

[Mirek]

Evans rolled. Nobody opposing Škodas left in WRC2...

[dimviii]

Evans reported to be stopped.


M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά

Unfortunately, it's not so good for @ElfynEvans - he's clipped a tree stump and broken the front suspension on SS12 #WRC2

[dimviii]

Bergvist on problems

[Lundefaret]

Both Mikkelsen, Ogier, Sordo and Meeke are driving great, and they are all in the fight for the win :)

[Mirek]

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά

Unfortunately, it's not so good for @ElfynEvans - he's clipped a tree stump and broken the front suspension on SS12 #WRC2

Very bad for Evans for the championship. With Kopecký out of the points he was in a good position even being behind Tidemand. He will regret the lost points.

[Rallyper]

Difference between Evans and Sunninen. Evans on charge Sunninen no pressure.

[Mirek]

Anybody knows what happened to Bergkvist?

EDIT: Campos ok, only missing split.

EDIT2: Ptaszek was stopped, continues.

[skarderud]

Anyone else have problem with wrc.com?
No times or radiostream for me.

[N.O.T]

Anyone else have problem with wrc.com?
No times or radiostream for me.

No radiostream is a blessing not a problem.

[Francisco Veloso]

SS15 will be live at RTP2 as well.

[dimviii]

Andolfi also has a great rally at wrc3 even he is on 208 r2 car

[seb_sh]

Both Mikkelsen, Ogier, Sordo and Meeke are driving great, and they are all in the fight for the win :)

They are all doing well but this rally is Meek's to lose, if he doesn't crash or have technical problems I think he will have enough advantage tomorrow. And Ogier should be able to secure 2nd tomorrow.

[Rallyper]

Bergkvist finish SS12. Lost around 4 mins to Tidemand. Don´t know what´s wrong.

[PLuto]

Bergkvist finish SS12. Lost around 4 mins to Tidemand. Don´t know what´s wrong.

You can find it on rally-base: (57 - Bergkvist Emil / Sjöberg Joakim): Disaster. First we had a puncture. We stopped to change it, then I missed a pace note, went off and hit a tree. We damaged the rear of the car. For sure it's fixable.

[Mariusz]

@MSportLtd @EricCamilli how many other drivers have score a top 3 time after only this many #WRC car drives? Anyone know?
I guess, they already forgot about Kubica.

[Lundefaret]

They are all doing well but this rally is Meek's to lose, if he doesn't crash or have technical problems I think he will have enough advantage tomorrow. And Ogier should be able to secure 2nd tomorrow.

Rally Portugal is a harsh mistress, and just to bring a car to the finish, especially when there is tight competition, is a feat in its self.

Really nice to see Mikkelsen with some real fighting spirit, Sordo is doing a very good job, Ogier is a given, but even sweeping the road he is the "best of the rest." Meeke has so far driven an amazing event, and has off course taken full advantage of the starting position, but there are so many corners yet to face, so nothing should be taken for granted.

Another great rally from a spectators point of view (tough I my self really would loved to see Paddon all the way to the finish.)

[Leon]

They are all doing well but this rally is Meek's to lose, if he doesn't crash or have technical problems I think he will have enough advantage tomorrow. And Ogier should be able to secure 2nd tomorrow.


Latvala back ahead of Ostberg who only has FWD.


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo-Mikkelsen the battle now... other places look settled unless people have problems.

Dont think they will catch Ogier with tomorrows stages to come.

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre info: Meeke: 4 LTX Force S4+2H
Sordo: 3S+2H
Ogier: 4S+1H
Latvala/Mikkelsen: 2H+3S
M-Sport: 3S+3H
#RallyPortugal #wrc

[Kielder]

still waiting your comments from yesterday passes.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/mad.gif

I have to say that after hearing some comments from friends who went to see Meeke testing before the rally, it was pretty clear that he was a candidate to win the event. Watching him from the side of the road, you can feel that forgotten feeling of a driver driving on "there's no tomorrow" way. It obvious that his lead is based on his starting position, but there are other drivers who now and in the past have started from similar positions without any chances to win. The only one who could have been fighting against him is Ogier, as we all know. We couldn't enjoy that battle here, it's not fair. For the first since I've watched him live in 2010, I had the sensation that he is driving like somebody who has orders, not because it's the best thing you can do in the world (dressed:)). I can't add much more that you haven't seen on the videos. Mikkelsen is replacing Latvala as VW's second driver, Camilli is still too green, Tidemand is crying out for a WRC car on more events...

On the other hand, yesterday I was twice at a very fast section. It's palpable that next year's changes are needed. For example, I enjoyed more watching Ogier or Mikkelsen testing last week with their Polo 2017 than watching some stages yesterday. Nowadays, you have the sensation that many drivers are just trying to bring the car to the finish line. Last year I went with some friends to recognise all the stages, so I knew that today many of them will be out of the rally due to the hard conditions of the roads. It's sad to say, but sometimes it's bigger the spectacle at home than at the stages. Moreover, there is the GNR issue; it was really a nightmare to avoid the roads blocked and to walk calmly at the stages without having any of them near. All in all, that's why I decided to stay at home today. I'm not going either to get up tomorrow at 5AM to see the first run of Vieira do Minho. I've been to about fifteen Rallies of Portugal, but yesterday it was harder than ever to see four stages. It happened almost the same last year on Saturday, so I am not spending five hours of my life driving today to see only two stages. Missing Algarve forever...

To end, it was a shame what happened to Paddon. I was talking yesterday with people who were where he crashed during the first run. The drivers did that zone of Ponte de Lima 1 without any problem, clean lines. So, I believe that something like gravel crews between loops are needed. In the past, they were forbidden to reduce costs, but it's hard to find higher costs than cars burnt.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-uNo_XAAEZMzl.jpg


https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13217507_981935408510414_9084546885643186267_o.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/27503_13268055_1187155811319283_833415812267617319 9_o.jpg



Parn of the road

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/27503_ci-38vvwsaa0cqx.jpg

[Lundefaret]

Great to see Mikkelsen with some fighting spirit :) He is in on the fight for victory.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen going hard on the first stage after noon... Sordo well beaten !

[Mirek]

Kielder, it's normal that testing is more spectacular than the normal rally. They do the same road again and again and again. It would be seriously wrong if they weren't crazy spectacular in testing ;)

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen going hard on the first stage after noon... Sordo well beaten !

Sordo is now the only remaining Hyundai driver out of four. Maybe he has orders to finish at all cost.

[Kielder]

An anecdote, yesterday I heard many times people saying "that's Latvala" after watching Mikkelsen passing by and "that's Mikkelsen" after Latvala. It isn't casual... ;)

[dimviii]

Tanaks incar from crash
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK?lang=el

[seb_sh]

Camilli faster than Ostberg again.

[dimviii]

Meeke on finish mode

[bluuford]

Yep but back then Daniel Elena miscalculated the distance back to service so they ran out of fuel...

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You are almost correct. He did navigational error. That means, they took wrong route, which made their distance back to the service much longer.. and there was not enough fuel for this excurion in Turkish mountains ;)

[dimviii]

Sat 16:01 - SS13: Meeke
The rally leader 11.7sec slower than Mikkelsen. "A bit of a safer approach. The car is higher, and we're carrying two spare wheels, which affects the balance. This stage was narrow and rough in places. We're taking care."


Sat 16:03 - Tyre info
News from Michelin on the number and compounds (Hard or Soft) of LTX force tyres their WRC drivers have for the afternoon loop: Meeke: 4S&2H, Sordo: 3S&2H, Ogier: 4S&1H, Latvala/Mikkelsen: 2H&3S, M-Sport: 3S&3H

[bluuford]

Tanaks incar from crash
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK?lang=el

That is crazy dangerous spot! He took the corner normaly, suddenly there is sky and then fall into the hell... and I was right, there was no roll :)

[Barreis]

Meeke on finish mode
Too early maybe...

[dimviii]

Too early maybe...

probably he will choose where and when he push to preserve car and tyres.

[Mirek]

Tanaks incar from crash
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK?lang=el

That's quite crazy. Not looking like a driving error at all. Also the fact that nobody was slowing down the cars is worrying. Tänak's car ended nearly directly in the flames!

[Sulland]

Bergkvist finish SS12. Lost around 4 mins to Tidemand. Don´t know what´s wrong.

Emil needs to remt a Fabia or Fiesta on gravel, even a 208 is better than a DS3 say most that have tried two or more of them on gravel.

[er88]

Could Andreas trouble Ogier if he continues to push? Or do we reckon Ogier has speed in reserve?

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

On SS5 how many cars went past Paddon's crash before Tanak ?

[Mirek]

On SS5 how many cars went past Paddon's crash before Tanak ?

Four

[Kielder]

Kielder, it's normal that testing is more spectacular than the normal rally. They do the same road again and again and again. It would be seriously wrong if they weren't crazy spectacular in testing ;)

More or less. When the drivers test, many runs are slow and boring. There are too many dead times too. On the contrary, I don't prefer the tests I said than a run in Sao Bras de Alportel, Malhao or the old Sao Lourenço, for example. It should be always better a competition than training.
;)

[dimviii]

Could Andreas trouble Ogier if he continues to push? Or do we reckon Ogier has speed in reserve?



imho he has more speed,that he will show tomorow with equal starting positions.

[Mirek]

More or less. When the drivers test, many runs are slow and boring. There are too many dead times too. On the contrary, I don't prefer the tests I said than a run in Sao Bras de Alportel, Malhao or the old Sao Lourenço, for example. It should be always better a competition than training.
;)

Yes, You are right. I meant that You can see a more spectacular runs on testing than in the rally itself not that the entire day is more action-packed. That for sure isn't.

EDIT: Bergkvist missing?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Four

Apart from Ostberg who spoke about a moment with ruts no-one else had a problem there ?

[bluuford]

That's quite crazy. Not looking like a driving error at all. Also the fact that nobody was slowing down the cars is worrying. Tänak's car ended nearly directly in the flames!
Yes, 10 minutes and 4 cars after the start of fire. I belive it was the same spot where Latvala lost his powersteering. So, Ogier, nearly off, Paddon off and burned, Ostberg nearly off, Latvala - powersteering, Tänak - off.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen slow at 1st split

[Mirek]

Looks like stalled engine or something. Next split is fast.

By the way very good times by Scott Pedder when he doesn't roll or something similar :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes, 10 minutes and 4 cars after the start of fire. I belive it was the same spot where Latvala lost his powersteering. So, Ogier, nearly off, Paddon off and burned, Ostberg nearly off, Latvala - powersteering, Tänak - off.

But Mikkelsen, Sordo and Neuville went through ok..

[Kielder]

Yes, 10 minutes and 4 cars after the start of fire. I belive it was the same spot where Latvala lost his powersteering. So, Ogier, nearly off, Paddon off and burned, Ostberg nearly off, Latvala - powersteering, Tänak - off.

It's incredible to remember that Ponte de Lima is the stage where an intentional fire was started the night before the first day of the rally in 2015. The drivers were in danger surrounded by fire during the first run. Then, on the second run, the 00 car was burnt too, being the stage cancelled too.

[dimviii]

But Mikkelsen, Sordo and Neuville went through ok..

nobody said that it wasnt a difficult spot.That most of drivers managed to avoid the crash,even those they had moment shows that there is a way to avoid it.
Its a rally,not a circuit.

[EightGear]

Wow, Mikkelsen took a lot of time back!

[dimviii]

Ostberg + 24,6 sec from Mikkelsen at 26km stage and he is happy with his driving. lololol

[dimviii]

Wow, Mikkelsen took a lot of time back!\
+0,5 sec from Ogier now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

nobody said that it wasnt a difficult spot.That most of drivers managed to avoid the crash,even those they had moment shows that there is a way to avoid it.
Its a rally,not a circuit.

Exactly, so those that went off have to take the blame for their error.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wonder what VW think now.. let them race for 2nd ?

[bluuford]

Exactly, so those that went off have to take the blame for their error.
This time I would say that it was pure bad luck, when 50% cars go off or break down and other 50 are not, then it is more or less lucky or not. Like it was said, it is not cricuit. It was not that cutting more caused trouble. because Ogier cut more and was lucky with his moment. It was not case of driving faster or slower, nearly all drivers had the same speed, just a question of few cm here or there.

[kirungi okwogera]

Exactly, so those that went off have to take the blame for their error.

Paddon definitely did. He said he needed to work on his notes to identify points where the road can tear up like that in recce/morning pass. I'm not sure what Tanak has said about his crash. But it is apparent that while not every car crashed there, it was definitely a pretty tricky hazard.

[AL14]

Wonder what VW think now.. let them race for 2nd ?

Yes, as always VW give freedom to their drivers to fight. They can do it afterall. They've already won the two championships...
In any case I think we will never see Mikkelsen in a serious fight with Ogier unless we are in the snow..

[kirungi okwogera]

This time I would say that it was pure bad luck, when 50% cars go off or break down and other 50 are not, then it is more or less lucky or not. Like it was said, it is not cricuit. It was not that cutting more caused trouble. because Ogier cut more and was lucky with his moment. It was not case of driving faster or slower, nearly all drivers had the same speed, just a question of few cm here or there.

I grant that - I do think it is the right mentality from Paddon to try to use it as an opportunity to learn from though, rather than acting like he's a good driver so he's entitled to a good result and if it doesn't happen, it's just bad luck and out of his hands. Several other drivers come to mind...

[kirungi okwogera]

Tidemand stopped! But moving again...

[dimviii]

Tidemand stopped!


Emil Bergkvist ‏@emilbergkvist1 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά Amarante, Portugal

Rally Portugal was a disaster for us, many unlucky problems and right now alternator has given up! We get back stronger!

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

We should clear the rocks for Kris..

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[Mirek]

Tidemand lost 2 minutes. Looks like quite fast tyre change.

[dimviii]

Tidemand lost 2 minutes. Looks like quite fast tyre change.

he had 1min 30 sec difference from Fuchs

[kirungi okwogera]

If Pontus still has a lead it will be very slim.

[dimviii]

Sat 16:53 - SS14: WRC 2 Fuchs
Passes Tidemand on stage

[bluuford]

Tidemand lost 2 minutes. Looks like quite fast tyre change.

Oh no! I belive he has lost the fight now, I mean with Prokop ;)

[dimviii]

If Pontus still has a lead it will be very slim.

he is slow again at 3rd split,maybe he is following Fuchs closely with dust problems?

[bluuford]

he is slow again at 3rd split,maybe he is following Fuchs closely with dust problems?
On the map it shows that Fuchs is just behind him, in the dust

[PLuto]

Sat 16:53 - SS14: WRC 2 Fuchs
Passes Tidemand on stage

Not true. Fuchs is still after Tidemand, going in his dust.

[kirungi okwogera]

Fuchs 2.6 sec lead over Tidemand.

[dimviii]

thanks Pluto & bluuford

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_e4OzWUAASHPL.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Qassimi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_dy0lXIAQXYEt.jpg

[dimviii]

Parn

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_g9AeXAAAfUVr.jpg

[dimviii]

Sat 17:09 - SS14: Aasen vs Ptaszek
Ptaszek is slowed by a broken drive shaft. Aasen catches him mid stage and nudges his car to let him pass. A few strong words are exchanged at the finish line.

[denkimi]

lots of broken suspensions.

[dimviii]

tomorrow only 67,32 km .lets see if Mikkelsen can take a big difference at the long one today.
At first pass was slightly slower from Ogier.

[dimviii]

Τidemand changing tyre small video
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK?lang=el

[Rallyper]

Tidemand stopped!


Emil Bergkvist ‏@emilbergkvist1 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά Amarante, Portugal

Rally Portugal was a disaster for us, many unlucky problems and right now alternator has given up! We get back stronger!

Yes I think Emil showed he can fight for podiums already. Remember this was his first outing on gravel with R5 car. And that happens in WRC2 rally!

[dimviii]

ss14 condition

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_pGl4WUAIk2da.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_ofj5W0AAnbhT.jpg


brace yourselves,hope to dont have any dramas.

[noel157]

SS15 you mean. ^^^

[dimviii]

Yes I think Emil showed he can fight for podiums already. Remember this was his first outing on gravel with R5 car. And that happens in WRC2 rally!

how you can judge that he is capable of fighting for podiums when he is at his first outing at gravel with r5 car?

[Sulland]

Yes I think Emil showed he can fight for podiums already. Remember this was his first outing on gravel with R5 car. And that happens in WRC2 rally!

not questioning the talent, but choice of car.

[dimviii]

SS15 you mean. ^^^

yeap,sorry.

[dimviii]

Veiby retired from broken driveshaft at ss13

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_sD30W0AAyA8W.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Μeeke slow at first split

[Negaiss]

Live right now - http://oklivetv.com/rtp-2-live/

[seb_sh]

Mikkelsen looking good, commited but not unsafe.

[dimviii]

Sat 18:12 - SS15: Ostberg
24sec off Ogier's pace. "I feel like I am driving well, on my limit, and like always I'm surprised to see the time. Normally, feeling like this I should be challenging for stage wins."


as i said there is no difference if he has problem or not. He is steadily of pace.
Outpaced from Camilli,unbelievable.

[dimviii]

Sat 18:16 - Weather report
Light rain has started to fall on SS15

[dimviii]

Meeke tomorrow with 45 sec gap from Ogier


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_yo0TXIAAFGyw.jpg:large

[Rallyper]

how you can judge that he is capable of fighting for podiums when he is at his first outing at gravel with r5 car?

The obvious - his speed, man.

[Rallyper]

Sat 18:12 - SS15: Ostberg
24sec off Ogier's pace. "I feel like I am driving well, on my limit, and like always I'm surprised to see the time. Normally, feeling like this I should be challenging for stage wins."


as i said there is no difference if he has problem or not. He is steadily of pace.
Outpaced from Camilli,unbelievable.

Outpaced?

[AL14]

Sat 18:12 - SS15: Ostberg
24sec off Ogier's pace. "I feel like I am driving well, on my limit, and like always I'm surprised to see the time. Normally, feeling like this I should be challenging for stage wins."


as i said there is no difference if he has problem or not. He is steadily of pace.
Outpaced from Camilli,unbelievable.

What does Mads did to you? :)

[Mirek]

The obvious - his speed, man.

Speed when? He was very fast with the R2 car but he wasn't fast in his two R5 outings. We have to wait and see if he can addapt to the 4WD. So far it's obvious that nothing is obvious.

[dimviii]

Outpaced?

yes.Dont you mention it?

[dimviii]

The obvious - his speed, man.

which speed? give me a link.

[dimviii]

What does Mads did to you? :)

nothing,just cant listen excuses for years.

[Mirek]

Tidemand easily made a big gap to Fuchs again.

[Rallyper]

Speed when? He was very fast with the R2 car but he wasn't fast in his two R5 outings. We have to wait and see if he can addapt to the 4WD. So far it's obvious that nothing is obvious.

I think you Mirek and also @dimviii are teasers. I shouldn´t compare it to what I think of. I take as you are kidding me a bit.

If you didn´t notice his speed when car and competitiors not hindered him I have to say you are either blind or just don´t want to see. I don´t demand that you should know about him before he entered his so far two outings, but still I think you should try to be a bit more sensitive in your comments. Show some abillity to assess drivers.

I try. And don´t hesitates when there are new good drivers showing up, no matter what country they come from. Emil is one of them. He showed it already.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_4QJ-XAAAuOnI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_4QKWWgAAZ_WU.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_4QLQWYAE2AGQ.jpg

[Rallyper]

nothing,just cant listen excuses for years.

Edit: Wrong stage looked at. Still: lost some minutes with FWD today. Outpaced?

On SS15 same time as Camilli. Is he slow too?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

nothing,just cant listen excuses for years.

Having to read your comments on his 'excuses' every rally is just the same for us. We get your opinion now... SUMO.

[dimviii]

I think you Mirek and also @dimviii are teasers. I shouldn´t compare it to what I think of. I take as you are kidding me a bit.

If you didn´t notice his speed when car and competitiors not hindered him I have to say you are either blind or just don´t want to see. I don´t demand that you should know about him before he entered his so far two outings, but still I think you should try to be a bit more sensitive in your comments. Show some abillity to assess drivers.

I try. And don´t hesitates when there are new good drivers showing up, no matter what country they come from. Emil is one of them. He showed it already.

no you are kidding me when 9th,11th,12th,6th,8th,7th,7th,13th are the positions at stages of Berqvist at wrc 2.

[dimviii]

Having to read your comments on his 'excuses' every rally is just the same for us. We get your opinion now... SUMO.

you are going to read my opinion at every rally he makes excuses about slow and undeveloped cars.

[kirungi okwogera]

Very good stage time from Scott Pedder on SS15, close to Tidemand's time. If he doesn't tear his car completely apart he can have a good result here despite everything. Several parts missing on stage broadcast...

[Mirek]

I think you Mirek and also @dimviii are teasers. I shouldn´t compare it to what I think of. I take as you are kidding me a bit.

If you didn´t notice his speed when car and competitiors not hindered him I have to say you are either blind or just don´t want to see. I don´t demand that you should know about him before he entered his so far two outings, but still I think you should try to be a bit more sensitive in your comments. Show some abillity to assess drivers.

I try. And don´t hesitates when there are new good drivers showing up, no matter what country they come from. Emil is one of them. He showed it already.

Dear per, I really like Emil but I don't need to cheer about him blindly like You do. Maybe I'm too careful and I know that in the past I was in a similar way careful about for example Hayden Paddon but people used to cheer for youngsters who nobody sees as superstar today.

Emil with R5 in Portugal on SS: 4th (SSS), 13th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 17th (puncture and off)

Sweden in WRC2: 7th, 7th, 6th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 10th, 5th, 6th, 9th, 7th

For me it's impossible to speak about fighting for podium in the time when not a single stage podium was reached. For sure Emil can do that in the future but also he may not. We have to wait and see but making a superstar of him helps nothing.

EDIT. Dimviii was faster...

[dimviii]

Edit: Wrong stage looked at. Still: lost some minutes with FWD today. Outpaced?

On SS15 same time as Camilli. Is he slow too?

at afternoon he hadnt got any problems and excuses.
lets see the facts.
ss 13 7,7 slower from Camilli
ss 14 11,1 slower from Camilli
ss 15 0,3 faster from Camilli


yes he is slow after a decade at wrc cars,against a newbie at his 10th rally and very few rallies with wrc car.

[Mirek]

Suninen out again?

[dimviii]

have you see Pedder? pretty fast today btw,seems can have easily a podium

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFraua8PzWW/

[Rallyper]

no you are kidding me when 9th,11th,12th,6th,8th,7th,7th,13th are the positions at stages of Berqvist at wrc 2.

I count swedish way, not greek:
SS3 0,5 s/km from Evans
SS4 0,7 s/km from Tidemand
SS5 0,2 s/km from Tidemand
These stages (not counting Mickey Mouse as you did) were only troublefree stages (what I know)

For me that counts as speed regarding his first outing.

[dimviii]

I count swedish way, not greek:
SS3 0,5 s/km from Evans
SS4 0,7 s/km from Tidemand
SS5 0,2 s/km from Tidemand
These stages (not counting Mickey Mouse as you did) were only troublefree stages (what I know)

For me that counts as speed regarding his first outing.

you sould stick at Greek way.To help you understand why.

at ss 3 Evans had clutch problems,except the handling problems(not excuses here)

"Really struggling with the feeling here and now I have a bigger problem - I don't have a clutch."
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27503&s=108315&sct=223&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016
From Tidemand he was more than 1 sec/km slower


at ss4 you find promising the 0,7 sec per km? this is plenty of minutes at a rally.Not so promising.

at ss 5 Berqvist had the national time because of Paddons crash
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27503&s=108317&sct=222&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016


so the fastest stage time you find is because he get National time.

Thats the way you have to judge stage times,regardless the Nationality of driver.

Berqvist has show very good speed and consistesy with adam opel,but that another level and we have to wait to see if he can be capable.
So dont try to name him fast,before he has some trouble free rides for some rallies.

[RAS007]

Meeke tomorrow with 45 sec gap from Ogier


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_yo0TXIAAFGyw.jpg:large

Is it enough, with 4 stages to go?

[dimviii]

Is it enough, with 4 stages to go?

imho without flat tyres or mechanical problems, yes they are enough,as its only 67 kms

[RS]

I count swedish way, not greek:
SS3 0,5 s/km from Evans
SS4 0,7 s/km from Tidemand
SS5 0,2 s/km from Tidemand
These stages (not counting Mickey Mouse as you did) were only troublefree stages (what I know)

For me that counts as speed regarding his first outing.

For me, Sirmacis' performance on Acropolis was more impressive, in his very first event in an R5 car. Although to be fair it is a better one than what Emil drives.

[RS]

have you see Pedder? pretty fast today btw,seems can have easily a podium

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFraua8PzWW/

Should overtake Aasen tomorrow.

Is that Pedder in the photo? I presumed he was a young person.

[seb_sh]

Is it enough, with 4 stages to go?

Not considering flat tyres or crashes, yes, in theory it should be enough.

But I think, if Ogier is smart, we will see him do some great times on this last day and close the gap and secure 2nd place and be in a position to benefit from any mistake from Meeke. Due to the rules he is at a disadvantage the first 2 days so IMO he should prepare the stages from the last day the best to maximize the km on good conditions, plus he can get powerstage points from these stages

[pantealex]

I count swedish way, not greek:
SS3 0,5 s/km from Evans
SS4 0,7 s/km from Tidemand
SS5 0,2 s/km from Tidemand
These stages (not counting Mickey Mouse as you did) were only troublefree stages (what I know)
For me that counts as speed regarding his first outing.

My Finnish way to count:

Compare Emil to Aasen, I believe Aasen has same amount or maybe even less 4wd experience and he is currently 3rd with Dmack´s...

[AL14]

My Finnish way to count:

Compare Emil to Aasen, I believe Aasen has same amount or maybe even less 4wd experience and he is currently 3rd with Dmack´s...

Italian way to count:

Berkvist should eat pasta al ragù during midday service instead of hamburgers and will be 0,5s/km faster

[dimviii]

Should overtake Aasen tomorrow.

Is that Pedder in the photo? I presumed he was a young person.

he is 40 years old.

[Kielder]

Fafe stage, an hour ago. People is already pushing hard. :)

http://i68.tinypic.com/ea0gsy.jpg

[Rallyper]

you sould stick at Greek way.To help you understand why.

at ss 3 Evans had clutch problems,except the handling problems(not excuses here)

"Really struggling with the feeling here and now I have a bigger problem - I don't have a clutch."
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27503&s=108315&sct=223&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016
From Tidemand he was more than 1 sec/km slower


at ss4 you find promising the 0,7 sec per km? this is plenty of minutes at a rally.Not so promising.

at ss 5 Berqvist had the national time because of Paddons crash
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27503&s=108317&sct=222&t=Vodafone-Rally-de-Portugal-2016


so the fastest stage time you find is because he get National time.

Thats the way you have to judge stage times,regardless the Nationality of driver.

Berqvist has show very good speed and consistesy with adam opel,but that another level and we have to wait to see if he can be capable.
So dont try to name him fast,before he has some trouble free rides for some rallies.

I didn´t remember and you didn´t read FB of more than Evans. On SS3 Emil drove steering with one hand because of door didn´t lock. SS5 should be SS7. My bad.

However this doesn´t lead anywhere. Let´s wait and see.
My swedish way of counting has it´s correspondences in other countries for sure. Eating hamburgeers is not good. Should be sallads and pasta that´s true.
Aasen, who said he wasn´t good?

[janvanvurpa]

he is 40 years old.


Ah. so a young one.

[janvanvurpa]

I didn´t remember and you didn´t read FB of more than Evans. On SS3 Emil drove steering with one hand because of door didn´t lock.

However this doesn´t lead anywhere. Let´s wait and see.
My swedish way of counting has it´s correspondences in other countries for sure. Eating hamburgeers is not good. Should be sallads and pasta that´s true.
Aasen, who said he wasn´t good?

Per..you're right on the way to count and compare.
Place means nothing in the day in rally, place only means something in points..
In my sport---moto-cross---place meant everything... 5th was 5th and 9th was 9th and it didn't matter if i was one half wheel behind going accross the line or if I was 1 full lap down..8th was 8th and 9th was 9th..

Rally is all about the time difference...

When i started rally I would search for some useful tool so I could get an idea of how much I needed to try for what kind of results and so I look at "average miles per hour" (since we still use English miles) but the MPH was not satisfying..too too abstract...
And I can't think or see difference between 55 and 55.3mph.

Finally the standard "differnce second per km or mile" thing was explained to me--and even with all the beer in me, it was one of those things like silly movie where a ray of light falls on me and you hear the voices of angels in a choir"
I GOT it!!

So difficult to talk when people don't understand the need for consistant method of expression..
Even today you have geniuses--EXPERTS!! who have drive as many as 7 or 8 events "explain" It is always the FASTest car that wins, naturally! Harumph!

And you have to explain they give no awards for the fastest car except at Bonneville, rally is about the shortest time, the quickest to do the route...

Pooor us...Go have a beer.. I'll have an :beer:other cup of tea..

0,7 sek/km is pretty good..

(look way down around 65th and see the best American who has been approx 3 to 3.5 sek/km off the best in class...that's not too encouraging.)

[Mirek]

The nice thing on s/km is that the numbers are small. 0,7 s/km looks very nice, I agree. But, but how do You like 4 minutes and 17 seconds per Rally Portugal? It's the exact same thing You know... statistics, I love them. You can twist them whatever You like without actually lying. That's genial :)

[Kielder]

@bluuford, a little question if possible... What will be the weather like tomorrow in Vieira do Minho? Just for the second run. Thanks in advance.

[itix]

Dear per, I really like Emil but I don't need to cheer about him blindly like You do. Maybe I'm too careful and I know that in the past I was in a similar way careful about for example Hayden Paddon but people used to cheer for youngsters who nobody sees as superstar today.

Emil with R5 in Portugal on SS: 4th (SSS), 13th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 6th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 17th (puncture and off)

Sweden in WRC2: 7th, 7th, 6th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 10th, 5th, 6th, 9th, 7th

For me it's impossible to speak about fighting for podium in the time when not a single stage podium was reached. For sure Emil can do that in the future but also he may not. We have to wait and see but making a superstar of him helps nothing.

EDIT. Dimviii was faster...
I'm also a fan of Bergkvist (and especially his choice of car since I am possibly the only Scandinavian die hard fan of PSA), but I am realistic. He has had some problems sure but his pace has not blown me off the chair yet.

In South Swedish rally, sure... He almost matched an ex WRC contender with Skoda Fabia WRC in a group n Mitsubishi.

Here and in sweden I was expecting more from him.

Hope he ups his pace a bit soon... Not everything is the cars fault although I know it is the slowest of the R5's.

[Simmi]

No need to crown or discard Bergkvist after two rounds of WRC2.

This year he should be learning 4WD and the rallies. Hopefully he can show flashes of pace. Ideally he can get some kind of development deal or maybe into a Skoda should Lappi and Tidemand move up. He needs to remain in R5. It's a difficult situation for him, as with his tricky financial situation he must surely feel the pressure to be winning stages now.

[Mirek]

I'm afraid the seats in Škoda for next season are already full...

[Munkvy]

Well done to Camilli, finally proving he can actually drive reasonably well and stay on the road for more than one day!

[N.O.T]

Well done to Camilli, finally proving he can actually drive reasonably well and stay on the road for more than one day!

this statement makes me sad...

[skarderud]

According to Mads, he has a gearshift issue. it won't do downshifts always, and that hampering him alot. He had this problem all season, and tried several solutions to the problem.

What can this be? Is he to violent to the car/gearlevel?

He also struggle with confidence, both on the car and himself. He probably struggles alot more than it seems.

Weird, he done some norwegian rallies with a R5 and been normal fast, against competitors as Eyvind Brynhildsen and Anders grøndal. Can the swaps between cars been a problem?

[Simmi]

I'm afraid the seats in Škoda for next season are already full...

Kopecky, Kreim and ???

[janvanvurpa]

The nice thing on s/km is that the numbers are small. 0,7 s/km looks very nice, I agree. But, but how do You like 4 minutes and 17 seconds per Rally Portugal? It's the exact same thing You know... statistics, I love them. You can twist them whatever You like without actually lying. That's genial :)

Yeah yeah but as a driver I can conceive of 1 second every km --you know a tool is measured by its utility...its usefulness. And its a question of if its useful to the driver...And aside for 3-4 times co-driving in my advance years, I'm a driver and think like a driver---if it passes for thinking--you know what they say!

And in any cause I always remember what I learned dealing with bureaucrats and customs agents and der polizei
"never lie when half the truth will do"

In the absolute top of the sport little fractions are or can be decisive...but down amongt the normal humans and beginners having a clear target to carry along every meter of the event is good "just 0,7s"
That can be one time delying braking for (click) that much--every km (over the years I have found my attention span when on SS is about 0,5 seconds..I can retain thoughts for that long, then they're gone because the next corner is rushing up and that requires all the little brain power I have, then the next corner is rushing up..

It's kind of like in combat. You think of the few meters in front of your hole..Not the divisions positions, or the army's or the Front, not the campaign. Not "rodinu!" but the few meters in front of your nose.

[dimviii]

According to Mads, he has a gearshift issue. it won't do downshifts always, and that hampering him alot. He had this problem all season, and tried several solutions to the problem.

What can this be? Is he to violent to the car/gearlevel?

no,its just an excuse.

''the issues that we are having with the downshifts isn’t really a problem''

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/midday-quotes-2016-rally-de-portugal-section-four


Weird, he done some norwegian rallies with a R5 and been normal fast, against competitors as Eyvind Brynhildsen and Anders grøndal. Can the swaps between cars been a problem?

no the problem is when switcing competitors ,from Grondal to Ogier.

[dimviii]

Fafe

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjAfnTrWUAAhFtC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjAfnp7WEAETVnu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjAfnxOXIAAUEeE.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjAfn53WYAADIUh.jpg

[bluuford]

@bluuford, a little question if possible... What will be the weather like tomorrow in Vieira do Minho? Just for the second run. Thanks in advance.

Rain should mostly stop in next few hours, maybe some light rain in the morning as well, just before the stage. Temperature will be quite low, for the second pass it should be between +9..+13 degrees, 4-5 m/s wind from NW, which should make the feeling quite cold. Higher part of the stage might be in low clouds, so, bad visibility.
First drivers might benefit here and in powerstage, I belive it is Neuville who will be first on the road tomorrow?

[RAS007]

Well done to Camilli, finally proving he can actually drive reasonably well and stay on the road for more than one day!

While I understand the sentiment, he's currently the top Ford driver, over 3 minutes off the pace, in 5th place. I'm sure M-Sport will be tweeting about how great this is, but its actually quite the opposite.

[RAS007]

imho without flat tyres or mechanical problems, yes they are enough,as its only 67 kms

Certainly hope you're right.

[er88]

Is it enough, with 4 stages to go?
Easily enough (problems aside) considering how well Meeke has been driving. He was beating Ogier on the second run through the stages on friday, and was in cruise mode on the 2nd pass of the stages yesterday, so he'll be fine. Just have to hope he keeps his concentration and drives cleanly. He can afford to take 2 spares which is good

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[RS]

Whoever does the sound editing on the WRC daily review programme needs shooting. I am constantly having to turn the volume up and down.

[RS]

Is Berqvist using an evo DS3?

[RuipedroWRC]

The rain stoped like two hours ago. I'm about 30 km's away from Fafe. The weather should not be a problem in the next stages, unless the fog appears, there are big chances.

And helicopters are already in the air. Just eard one a few minutes ago.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Morning rally friends. Early start to drive Fafe stage. Wee bit damp and slippy but not wet. Great crowd already

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjCbLjtXAAA7zmr.jpg:large


MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre info: all #wrc Michelin drivers with 5 LTX S4 #RallyPortugal


#RallyPortugal Start Order
Lefebvre
Neuville
Solberg
Al Qassimi
Gorban
Al Rahji
Prokop
Ostberg
Latvala
Camilli
Sordo
Mikkelsen
Ogier
Meeke

[Rallyper]

No need to crown or discard Bergkvist after two rounds of WRC2.

This year he should be learning 4WD and the rallies. Hopefully he can show flashes of pace. Ideally he can get some kind of development deal or maybe into a Skoda should Lappi and Tidemand move up. He needs to remain in R5. It's a difficult situation for him, as with his tricky financial situation he must surely feel the pressure to be winning stages now.

For sure. I had big expectations too, but realisticly in the first outing on gravel combined with problems, the outcome is quite normal this time. However he did good in my opinion as long as he could drive normally.
Cheering Bergkvist is just the same everyone else does with their new young upcoming country fellowmendrivers. Same moaning from many of these guys here on the forum when I was talking about Tidemand a couple of years ago.

[TWRC]

Is Berqvist using an evo DS3?
From looking at the pictures, no. The Evo's radiator and intercooler are tilted backwards, whereas the original car's are tilted forward, at least it's like that on the 208, but I guess it will be the same for the Citroën if they ever manage to put out a kit this season...

[Kielder]

Rain should mostly stop in next few hours, maybe some light rain in the morning as well, just before the stage. Temperature will be quite low, for the second pass it should be between +9..+13 degrees, 4-5 m/s wind from NW, which should make the feeling quite cold. Higher part of the stage might be in low clouds, so, bad visibility.
First drivers might benefit here and in powerstage, I belive it is Neuville who will be first on the road tomorrow?

That's perfect, although I'm going to the highest part of the stage, so I'll find bad visibility. Thanks again!

Lefebvre goes first on the road. Here is the start list for today:

https://t.co/282DmddUyO

[dimviii]

Gilbert havent got evo ds3s at Portugal?

[dimviii]

Watch Mikkelsens 1st split

[dimviii]

Ogier not at full attack. Will he settle for 3rd? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/omg.gifhttp://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/omg.gif

[makinen_fan]

Quick calculation after split 2, if Mikkelsen vs Meeke pace remains the same, he will cover 46.6s today...

[dimviii]

front right puncture for Ogier

[Rallyper]

Is it saving tyres for some or just how sleepy they are in the morning? Pedder doing fine actually.

[dimviii]

Quick calculation after split 2, if Mikkelsen vs Meeke pace remains the same, he will cover 46.6s today...

but will not remain the same.For sure Meeke has more.

[dimviii]

Sun 07:47 - SS16: Meeke
9.9sec slower than Mikkelsen, and Meeke's rally lead over him is 38.5sec. "Quite tricky. Patches of mud making the grip difficult. I drove a cautious stage but for sure Mikkelsen is on a push. I have time in my pocket so I'll use it."

[dimviii]

so now Ogier without spare for the next stage

[PLuto]

so now Ogier without spare for the next stage

for the next stageS

[dimviii]

Tempestini seems wants to win. Sunninen faster at split.

[makinen_fan]

but will not remain the same.For sure Meeke has more.

Even by end of stage s/km pace difference was smaller than what I calculated. Without dramas Meeke should win with good margin

[dimviii]

for the next stageS

yeap there is no service too.

[Lundefaret]

As I said yesterday, Mikkelsen in the fight for the win. Nice to see him attack.
Ogier very rearly punctures, so he seems a bit out of it at the moment. Will he settle, or charge?
Meeke has a difficult task driving fast enough, but still be safe. He is more of a full attack driver.
Another great rally, tough I would have liked to see a guy from NZ in on this fight :)

[dimviii]

Sunninen again faster

[ELPE]

Sunninen again faster

Sunninen is more than 1 hour after classleader, he has nothing to loose and can go for "maximun attack"

[seb_sh]

Tempestini seems wants to win. Sunninen faster at split.

Yeah Tempestini wants the win, he had a good lead after day 1 but he had some problems with the brakes for 2 stages and lost over a minute in day 2. Coming back from +1.39 deficit at stage 11.

[Mirek]

Sunninen again faster

He seems to be on kamikaze mode. Always fastest but crashing out every day...

[dimviii]

Sunninen is more than 1 hour after classleader, he has nothing to loose and can go for "maximun attack"

he was fast and when he had to loose.

[Mirek]

he was fast and when he had to loose.

You mean those first 500 meters? :)

[dimviii]

You mean those first 500 meters? :)


yes.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/superman.gif he is definetely fast,but has to control his pace.

[pantealex]

So, You all want to put extra N to Suninen ;)

[SkodaR5]

Tidemand :"Maybe a bit too cautious. When you drive like this the car doesn't work as it should." !

what's the problem ?

[Mirek]

That rally cars or generally race cars are made and set to work optimally in maximum attack mode and that driving too slow can make them harder to drive, to feel the response etc.

[AL14]

Ogier's puncture is strange.
Looking at splits he lost time from the very first split, and it increased steadily. Plus he also has lost only 8.8 seconds which means he got puncture on the second half of the stage if not at the end.

[RS]

yes.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/superman.gif he is definetely fast,but has to control his pace.

Seems to be a bit of a Finnish problem, when you think of Latvala and Lappi too.

Maybe it comes from growing up on 'maximum attack' roads?

[SkodaR5]

mmm ..and i like his attacking mode :)

[dimviii]

it was a slow puncture

[seb_sh]

Poor camera positioning and work today :(

the RTP transmission yesterday was much better.

[Barreis]

Livestream link please...

[AL14]

it was a slow puncture

Yes I guessed so but still it seems not too much "slow".

[Simmi]

Some lairy jumps so far.

[seb_sh]

livestream link please...

wrc+

[SkodaR5]

livestream link :
http://oklivetv.com/rtp-1-live/

[belas]

http://www.sportingvideo.org/20160522/vv57416074442698.99365096-1345949.html

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjC_rS4XEAAswpW.jpg:large

[OldF]

Departure :)

https://twitter.com/vwrallytheworld/status/734271249132728320

[Eric]

What will VW do about the Mikkelsen/Ogier fight?

[bowler]

What will VW do about the Mikkelsen/Ogier fight?

nothing.

[Simmi]

Ptaszek sent that! Jaysus!

[Munkvy]

While I understand the sentiment, he's currently the top Ford driver, over 3 minutes off the pace, in 5th place. I'm sure M-Sport will be tweeting about how great this is, but its actually quite the opposite.

Yes I think NOT missed that I was commending Camilli for actually completing more than 1 day and not being last at M Sport. Not offering an opinion on whether he is actually competitive.

Or maybe he is just sad about Camilli?

[AL14]

Yes I think NOT missed that I was commending Camilli for actually completing more than 1 day and not being last at M Sport. Not offering an opinion on whether he is actually competitive.

Or maybe he is just sad about Camilli?

I think he was "sad" because that statement considered the fact that he finished two days without problems as an elitist accomplishment and something he had to show to impress anyone.

[dimviii]

Neuvilles hyundai at next rally

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-1041-0-35192600-1463907858.jpg


Melicharek ss14

http://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/27503_13239137_1035057156532189_290549376636324482 1_n.jpg

[noel157]

Gorban loses a wheel.

[dimviii]

fingers croosed.Maciek hurts after hard landing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjDMrYPW0AAMEGm.jpg

broken shock for Gorban after hard landing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjDMuSvWEAALwhu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjDM9X3XEAADPG_.jpg

[dimviii]

Tempestini took the lead.Way faster.

[PLuto]

Tempestini took the lead.Way faster.

Koči has problems with suspension since first stage of today.

[AL14]

SUN 10:35 - SS18: OSTBERG
Quickest so far. "I really enjoyed this stage. When everything works properly it's great."

Curious to know what dimviii thinks about it :D

[dimviii]

Quentin Gilbert ‏@gilbert_quentin

Bad news, we had to stop before SS18, with a mechanical failure. It wasn’t our event… �� @OfficialWRC @rallydeportugal #WRC

[cali]

SUN 10:35 - SS18: OSTBERG
Quickest so far. "I really enjoyed this stage. When everything works properly it's great."

Curious to know what dimviii thinks about it :D
And in the next rally it starts all over again. At first the car is crap bcs everyone else are wayyy faster and in the third day when rally is basically over, he starts to post some OK stage times and claiming that now everything works fine.... Lol

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[Mintexmemory]

C'mon Kris, 'don't be a hero' - bring it home safe. Ogier will push to try to beat Mikkelsen (who was never in a fight for the win! Lucky boy that Ogier got the puncture.)

[dimviii]

Ptaszek has to retire due to co drivers pain after the landing.

[dimviii]

C'mon Kris, 'don't be a hero' - bring it home safe. Ogier will push to try to beat Mikkelsen (who was never in a fight for the win! Lucky boy that Ogier got the puncture.)

i dont think that Ogier will push to pass Mikkelsen

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All the best Kris... lets see your second WRC win !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And in the next rally it starts all over again. At first the car is crap bcs everyone else are wayyy faster and in the third day when rally is basically over, he starts to post some OK stage times and claiming that now everything works fine.... Lol



Another Estonian Mads critic... yawn.

[Rallyper]

Another Estonian Mads critic... yawn.

Yes, they all where in that car so of course they can tell how everything was... :/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Where did their superstar Tanak finish again ?

[Simmi]

Ptaszek has to retire due to co drivers pain after the landing.

Certainly lots of WRC2 action this weekend.

I'm really hoping there is some actual decent WRC2 coverage after the rally. Despite the press release I can't help thinking they didn't really deliver in Argentina. All we got was a 3:50 highlight package. No real extra effort put into it. They didn't even put it out on YouTube.

Drive Dmack puts together a way better package.

[RS]

Just watched the Fafe1 footage.

Where's Kris Meeke from? I wish John Desborough would tell us.

[RS]

Certainly lots of WRC2 action this weekend.

I'm really hoping there is some actual decent WRC2 coverage after the rally. Despite the press release I can't help thinking they didn't really deliver in Argentina. All we got was a 3:50 highlight package. No real extra effort put into it. They didn't even put it out on YouTube.

I was wondering what happened to that? Weren't we promised 30 minutes highlight programme?

[rallyfiend]

Certainly lots of WRC2 action this weekend.

I'm really hoping there is some actual decent WRC2 coverage after the rally. Despite the press release I can't help thinking they didn't really deliver in Argentina. All we got was a 3:50 highlight package. No real extra effort put into it. They didn't even put it out on YouTube.

Drive Dmack puts together a way better package.

The Drive DMACK stuff was put together by the same people - the promoter...

[RS]

Great time by Suninen on SS18. 1s/km from stage winner.

[Simmi]

The Drive DMACK stuff was put together by the same people - the promoter...

I'm not 100% but I would guess that someone is paid to edit it together from the promoter footage. And then Becs voices it. Or the promoter does the whole thing and is paid to do a better job.

[dimviii]

lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFtNYNKrN1O/

[cali]

Another Estonian Mads critic... yawn.
For me this started way before he was nominated to drive for M-Sport again. Honestly, I do not think that Tänak deserved a seat in M-Sport after the record he had from last season. You can browse my posts if you like. I'm not blinded by patriotism unlike certain fellow scandinavian forum members.

It's quite pathetic to read and hear Mads comments, that's all.

And I have to give this to Tänak - after so many offs and problems he has not came up such pathetic excuses.

You may draw your own conclusions now.

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[cali]

Yes, they all where in that car so of course they can tell how everything was... :/
Per, when did Mads had a trouble-free rally by his own words? 5-6 years ago? This happens to him every rally, you must be blind not to see it!

We have not seen so many excuses in the last few decades from a single person, I would even say that all the top drivers from the past 20 yrs have not combined a total sum of Mads excuses in a single year.

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[Francis44]

There is one key difference between Mads and Tanak. No matter how slow Ostberg is at the end of the season he will always have much more points than Tanak.

[cali]

There is one key difference between Mads and Tanak. No matter how slow Ostberg is at the end of the season he will always have much more points than Tanak.
No one is arguing the obvious facts... Lol. Everybody knows that. But theres 0 BS from Tänak.

And why is Tänak even drawn to this discussion? Bcs he is estonian?

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[Christos Kolperiadis]

POWER STAGE RUNNING ORDER
First car: 1208hrs. Three-minute intervals. 1. Neuville, 2. Solberg, 3. Al Qassimi, 4. Al Rajhi, 5. Prokop, 6. Ostberg, 7. Latvala, 8. Camilli, 9. Sordo, 10. Ogier, 11. Mikkelsen, 12. Meeke.

Where is Lefebvre?

[Simmi]

POWER STAGE RUNNING ORDER
First car: 1208hrs. Three-minute intervals. 1. Neuville, 2. Solberg, 3. Al Qassimi, 4. Al Rajhi, 5. Prokop, 6. Ostberg, 7. Latvala, 8. Camilli, 9. Sordo, 10. Ogier, 11. Mikkelsen, 12. Meeke.

Where is Lefebvre?

He's just been flicked by the TV running order. Happens to someone every power stage. Hopefully he won't withdraw like Bertelli haha.

[Ucci]

lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFtNYNKrN1O/

Superb foto!

[TWRC]

He's just been flicked by the TV running order. Happens to someone every power stage. Hopefully he won't withdraw like Bertelli haha.
It happened to Lefebvre in Corsica last year as well, right? Then went on and almost beat Ogier for the 3 points :D