Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2016

[GigiGalliNo1]

Issues with Neuville car too!

[Fly]

Neuville problem?

I hope it's just a spin

[MartijnS]

No definitely technical issue ;)

[noel157]

2m.26 secs (over Ostberg) to get to SP, at least it's downhill.

[Barreis]

Link doesn't work for me, even in Chrome...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sweet baby jesus I have an inkling that Mikkelsen will win again by a mistake!

[GigiGalliNo1]

:D haha

[noel157]

Link doesn't work for me, even in Chrome...

It's just about over. Didn't miss much. You've 2 weeks to fix and test it.

[GigiGalliNo1]

oh well Ogier wins again!

[stefanvv]

so another 28 points in the bag for Ogier, congrats to him

[René]

As a cannibal Ogier wants everything devour !

[Simmi]

If Mikkelsen and Lefebvre are level on time for third how do they decide who gets the power stage point?

[AndyRAC]

Well done to Seb & Julian; their 4th Monte win (despite WRC coverage saying 3). It's going to be hard for the rest playing catch up already. Meeke is the only one who could live with him - and he's only got a partial programme.

[noel157]

I think the interest and excitement died on SS12. Pity, great event up until then. One good thing as was mentioned earlier, how quick we can see things through social media.

[stefanvv]

why is VW second in standings? did I missed something?

[jonkka]

why is VW second in standings? did I missed something?

I calculated 25 pts for both but I haven't double checked yet with complete results...
Plus it depends on Neuville reaching the finish...

[TWRC]

If Mikkelsen and Lefebvre are level on time for third how do they decide who gets the power stage point?
They only display the times on TV till the tenth of a second, but as far as I know, they measure it more precisely than that, usually till the thousandth or tenthousandth of a second.

[HaCo]

I calculated 25 pts for both but I haven't double checked yet with complete results...
Plus it depends on Neuville reaching the finish...
Where can I see these please?

Verstuurd vanaf mijn D2303 met Tapatalk

[NoFear85]

Maybe because Lefebvre is not in manufacturers championship.

[stefanvv]

I calculated 25 pts for both but I haven't double checked yet with complete results...
Plus it depends on Neuville reaching the finish...

yes they're 25 both, but doesn't the win take precedence?

[NoFear85]

VW 25 from Orier, Hyundai 25, 15 from Neuvill and 10 from Sordo, M Sport 12 from Ostberg and Dmack 8 from Tanak

[Simmi]

Maybe because Lefebvre is not in manufacturers championship.

That shouldn't be a factor as power stage points don't get added to manufacturer totals. If it is true they calculate down to a smaller decimal timing then I wish they'd settle the number of tied stages we have in the WRC (i.e. just say who was quicker).

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for a very well deserved win.
Meeke a nice surprise about his driving,pitty he hasnt got a full programm.
Big dissapointment the new hyundai.All these testing and started with totally wrong setup.
Bouffier out of the play,very slow.
Lefebvre nothing special.I dont think he has something special to be choosed from citroen
Tanak had the disadvantage of Dmack tyres.Need too much work probably.
Ostberg very slow.Waiting more with the easy fiesta against the ''difficult'' ds3 who had to change his driving style(lololol)
Latvala...what to say? Even without pushing he managed to screw everything.Cant see how he will handle this psychologically.
at wrc 2 only Evans have to remember and an 48 year old Kremer being faster from all the other young guns.Dissapointment.


a big THANKS to all the guys that uploaded at no time all photos and videos.

[stefanvv]

Where can I see these please?

Verstuurd vanaf mijn D2303 met Tapatalk

Usually here is the faster (and more detailed) than wrc.com - http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/.

[stefanvv]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for a very well deserved win.
Meeke a nice surprise about his driving,pitty he hasnt got a full programm.
Big dissapointment the new hyundai.All these testing and started with totally wrong setup.
Bouffier out of the play,very slow.
Lefebvre nothing special.I dont think he has something special to be choosed from citroen
Tanak had the disadvantage of Dmack tyres.Need too much work probably.
Ostberg very slow.Waiting more with the easy fiesta against the ''difficult'' ds3 who had to change his driving style(lololol)
Latvala...what to say? Even without pushing he managed to screw everything.Cant see how he will handle this psychologically.
at wrc 2 only Evans have to remember and an 48 year old Kremer being faster from all the other young guns.Dissapointment.


a big THANKS to all the guys that uploaded at no time all photos and videos.

About Meeke agree he had quite a good rally with almost no mistakes. Unfortunately the little he made cost him lot. He should probably this year develop further and try not to make any, as it is clear he is the only opposition to Ogier currently. I don't see much positives for "the rest" of field either. May be Mikkelsen did very good rally too, but not that smooth, not that fast either, but probably needs some time with a new co-driver. Also Camilli deserves some note of positives, calm approach at the beginning, later trying to improve and did it more or less.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg doesn't deserve real criticism here.. first rally back in a Fiesta, New co-driver, not his best surface and no points from his team-mate Camilli.

He just had to finish and take the points.

Expect more in Sweden.

[dimviii]

About Meeke agree he had quite a good rally with almost no mistakes. Unfortunately the little he made cost him lot. He should probably this year develop further and try not to make any, as it is clear he is the only opposition to Ogier currently. I don't see much positives for "the rest" of field either. May be Mikkelsen did very good rally too, but not that smooth, not that fast either, but probably needs some time with a new co-driver.

its funny that at all your posts insist that he made a mistake.Get a grip.

[stefanvv]

Ostberg doesn't deserve real criticism here.. first rally back in a Fiesta, New co-driver, not his best surface and no points from his team-mate Camilli.

He just had to finish and take the points.

Expect more in Sweden.

I might agree with You. We shouldn't have expected miracles from him. Job well done for this unfriendly rally.

[stefanvv]

its funny that at all your posts insist that he made a mistake.Get a grip.

haha, he made at least 1 didn't he? I'm also saying that he drove very well at my posts, didn't You read that?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZe8ZtSWAAACpw9.png

[noel157]

Ostberg doesn't deserve real criticism here.. first rally back in a Fiesta, New co-driver, not his best surface and no points from his team-mate Camilli.

He just had to finish and take the points.

Expect more in Sweden.

I think if Mads stopped going on about co-drivers and calling of notes and concentrate on driving, there's nothing as annoying as drivers moaning. Hopefully he'll just drive in Sweden.

[RS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZe8ZtSWAAACpw9.png

Because of Latvala... maybe it's time to stop with this "VW Motorsport 2" / "Hyundai N Team" nonsense and have top two finishers from the manufacturer score.

Or drop Latvala. I hope he will do better as the year goes on but if Mikelssen outscores him this year I just don't see the point in keeping Latvala, especially when VW have some young guns they want to start to develop.

[RS]

I think if Mads stopped going on about co-drivers and calling of notes and concentrate on driving, there's nothing as annoying as drivers moaning. Hopefully he'll just drive in Sweden.

Mads does like a whinge.

[PLuto]

yes but leaders also cruising,thats why suddenly hyundais seems to be fast.Big dissapointment imho the new i20.

about wrc 2 also diffapointment except Evans and Kremer.Waiting more from young French inside their terrain.

Gilbert was not bad. Without puncture yesterday, he will be comfortably on second place. Also Bonato was doing good times and without his 10-mins off he should be on podium.

[PLuto]

Why are we watching Paddon cruise when there are other cars on the stage?

Usuall style of WRC coverage. Unfortunatelly that LIVE stage was again completely dry, so quite boring to watch as most of the drivers were driving mainly to finish the rally.

[PLuto]

I think the interest and excitement died on SS12. Pity, great event up until then. One good thing as was mentioned earlier, how quick we can see things through social media.

For me it is really pity, that most of the stages were completely dry. To be interesting Monte, there must be more changes of weather...

[PLuto]

Maybe because Lefebvre is not in manufacturers championship.

Citroen is not registered in teams...

[jonkka]

yes they're 25 both, but doesn't the win take precedence?

Yes it does, if tiebreaker is applied. Mid-season, however, doesn't require that as manu standings have no bearing on anything. For drivers' it would be applied to determine starting order.

[dimviii]

Gilbert was not bad. Without puncture yesterday, he will be comfortably on second place. Also Bonato was doing good times and without his 10-mins off he should be on podium.

Pluto inside their country,was waiting for more.Imho pace of Gibert was average,Bonato a little bit better for his experience.Ok Evans was a factory entry, and downsizing him from wrc is at a different league,but Kremer?

[tc10a]

Gilbert was not bad. Without puncture yesterday, he will be comfortably on second place. Also Bonato was doing good times and without his 10-mins off he should be on podium.

Remember Kremer lost also quite some time after puncture, and two spins. So Place two belongs well to the old man.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZfTrwFWAAAn_dd.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think if Mads stopped going on about co-drivers and calling of notes and concentrate on driving, there's nothing as annoying as drivers moaning. Hopefully he'll just drive in Sweden.

His 'moaning' was justified plus it was really only on Day 1.. he was much happier after that in his interviews.

[EstWRC]

He was moaning all the time contrast to Mikkelsen who was quiet but also has a new co-driver.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Well done to Seb & Julian; their 4th Monte win (despite WRC coverage saying 3). It's going to be hard for the rest playing catch up already. Meeke is the only one who could live with him - and he's only got a partial programme.
One IRC, three WRC.

[Simmi]

He was moaning all the time contrast to Mikkelsen who was quiet but also has a new co-driver.

Is it not the case thought that Mads was changing the language of his notes this year? I think that's what it said on the TV coverage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZfTrwFWAAAn_dd.jpg

Once again some odd angle of this section of stage

And have we noticed LESS HDR effects on @Worlds photos??

Still yawning...

[dimviii]

Gilbert off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZDevcZGxA0

spectators help clio r3
https://youtu.be/jMLbC0-buIg

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/t31.0-8/12604641_806366416155921_4336070144898207713_o.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZftUreXEAAgaXd.jpg

[pantealex]

If Mikkelsen and Lefebvre are level on time for third how do they decide who gets the power stage point?

Timekeeping in power stage is 0,000 seconds, not 0,0s like other SS, but official times in power stage are 0,0s.

Mikkelsen was bit quicker!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Time to lay the sabotage conspiracy theory to rest once an for all. Rock was there for Ogier, Mikkelsen and Østberg.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZfro10WwAAKzvA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZfro3rXEAItwFk.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZfro2dWYAA7RLt.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He was moaning all the time contrast to Mikkelsen who was quiet but also has a new co-driver.

There's a difference between moaning and explaining. Plus he had changes of car and team which Mikkelsen didnt.

[RS]

There's a difference between moaning and explaining. Plus he had changes of car and team which Mikkelsen didnt.

Mads' reasoning may well have had some legitimacy, but I think the issue with him is that he often appears to be moaning/sulking about something. It's never that he is just not driving quick enough.

[dimviii]

Time to lay the sabotage conspiracy theory to rest once an for all. Rock was there for Ogier, Mikkelsen and Østberg.


who said about sabotage and conspiracy theories?

[noel157]

Mads' reasoning may well have had some legitimacy, but I think the issue with him is that he often appears to be moaning/sulking about something. It's never that he is just not driving quick enough.

Seems to be the case, unlike Meeke for instance. He's just happy to be driving. Perhaps something in the way each of them made in to the WRC?

[dimviii]

nice sideways at 4,16 from Mikkelsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZftUreXEAAgaXd.jpg

borl video
https://youtu.be/hAc5tTOTKwc

[Nornbugger]

And this spectator has to be fined with life long arrest because of putting his camera in dangerous places and then risking his life by trying to save his stupid camera???

We really live in strange times!

In the context of Monte Carlo spectating this guy was not in a bad place, it was his idiotic reaction that caused his problem. This said I'd love to see Latvalas in car of the incident, his screen must have became dirty late on in the off? Or was the steam the issue?

[dimviii]

hahaha priceless!!

http://i.imgur.com/UxYLgH1.gif

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-1841-0-92419200-1453654839.jpg
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[AL14]

Going back home after spectating saturday and sunday stages.

It's incredibile how Ogier cleanest lines are clearly visible when spectating. Very brave in some places, incredible how he masters his car and have full control everytime in a tricky rally like monte.
Very funny to watch Tanak, always more sideways than others but blody slow.
Meeke was impressive and Latvala very cautious and with not full control of the car. He hitted the spectator 2 km after where I was...

Regarding the spectating issue I agree with you. The rally is very poorly controled, I was in a very fast and long section at SS10 (same as latvala crash) and there were only one Marshall in all the area. It was very crowded and eveeybody was doing all they wanted. On the contrary in the power stage it seemed to be in the nazist Germany. I think the power stage is the worst stage to spectate. There is too much (and stupid) control, most of drivers are cruising and there are all those helicopter that ruin everything with their noise and you can't almost hear the cars.

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20160124-2844-low-2016-WRC-01-HEM1-8769.jpg

[stefanvv]

Mads' reasoning may well have had some legitimacy, but I think the issue with him is that he often appears to be moaning/sulking about something. It's never that he is just not driving quick enough.

You're right, he is not driving quick enough for podium places. But the things he was complaining previous years were lot of technical issues as I remember. Besides, who is driving fast enough for podium except VW boys? Ostberg was the "best of the rest" last year after all....

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=265697&entry=0&car=0
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/51/80/Best_of_Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_023_518020_56a3e0c 87.jpg
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[Nornbugger]

Latvala's incident got WRC onto the BBC sports main page! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/35395298

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

^ That's unfortunate..

[car]

^ That's unfortunate..

It's not unfortunate, he should have stopped.

[dimviii]

nice small clip with Mads
https://twitter.com/fcalispa/status/691314977383268352?lang=el

[wia5958]

Yeah dam shame that it wouldnt report good stuff. When has bbc ever given highlights of a rally in recent years.

[AndyRAC]

Playing Devil's advocate. But why should they? It's a minority sport.....

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

It's not unfortunate, he should have stopped.
LOL.., I'm talking about the article..

[stefanvv]

In the context of Monte Carlo spectating this guy was not in a bad place, it was his idiotic reaction that caused his problem. This said I'd love to see Latvalas in car of the incident, his screen must have became dirty late on in the off? Or was the steam the issue?

It is on day3 highlights. There is visibility, but I didn't saw a spectator being hit, only running away ones. So imo the stewards made decision based on assumption, not fact.

[Mirek]

LOL.., I'm talking about the article..

Any such incident is bound to be reported in the media. Don't act surprised.

[dupanton]

It is on day3 highlights. There is visibility, but I didn't saw a spectator being hit, only running away ones. So imo the stewards made decision based on assumption, not fact.

If you look to the WRC+ full onboard, you can clearly see the spectator on the bonnet. If Latvala couldn't see him, surely his codriver could!

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Ogier/Ingrassia, Evans/Parry and Veiby/Andersson.

Hope Matton will give even more chances to Meeke and Hyundai can turn the i20 more competitive (and Neuville happily integrated in the team!). We need them to give Ogier a fight; otherwise it’ll be another boring season...

For sure Skoda won't be bored this season, fighting Evans and MSport in WRC2, with Suninen, Kremer, Bonato, Suarez and many others around! It'll be nice to watch.

The same in WRC3. Veiby was on his own at MC, but guys like Berfa, Andolfi, Koci, De Tommaso and others will probably make his job difficult.

Hopefully, Rossetti will be one of them! The Italian managed to win Clio Cup (2nd in MC after Burri Jr, but 1st overall on season cup results) and will make 6 WRC events with Renault Sport.
https://www.facebook.com/DP-Autosport-289297644450109/

[SubaruNorway]

If you look to the WRC+ full onboard, you can clearly see the spectator on the bonnet. If Latvala couldn't see him, surely his codriver could!

Where did you find that? There is no SS11 from Latvala on there as far as i can see.

[Rally Power]

It’s also great to see that 100% amateur’s crews still have their place at MC (and WRC). Besides the 4 RC5 brave teams (2 managed to finish), it was nice to see the evolution of the #100 Abarth 500!

According to Ewrc, Maurice Brera/Alain Pierre Forestier are a swiss crew with some national experience but only one previous MC attempt (they retired ’15 rally at SS1!). With their little Fiat they made bright times (close to Koci, Cima and others with more competitive cars) until an off at SS13. After they were less fast, but still managed to get into Monaco on a pretty good 42nd place!

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12512828_1257187644297919_7635700789080833976_n.jp g?oh=5781da1cea8f0f0862e641666e677a2b&oe=5729E61E
Photo: https://www.facebook.com/Maxime-Mourlon-Photographies-541845389165485/

These amateur’s teams should have more attention from WRC promoters (following ASO/Dakar example)!

[tc10a]

Where did you find that? There is no SS11 from Latvala on there as far as i can see.
Yesterday it was online and I can confirm that it was clearly visibly that the spectator was hit - no doubt. despite the mud and steam.

In the day3 Highlights its a cut Version.

[PLuto]

Yesterday it was online and I can confirm that it was clearly visibly that the spectator was hit - no doubt. despite the mud and steam.

In the day3 Highlights its a cut Version.

It is normal that they are not giving all interesting onboards to WRC+. But I didnt expected they will be deleting onboards which were published before...

[stefanvv]

Yesterday it was online and I can confirm that it was clearly visibly that the spectator was hit - no doubt. despite the mud and steam.

The onboard camera is at the bottom right of the windshield, so it is far from Latvala visibility, how could they know what he'd seen and in what direction he was looking, it is just an assumption.

[tc10a]

The onboard camera is at the bottom right of the windshield, so it is far from Latvala visibility, how could they know what he'd seen and in what direction he was looking, it is just an assumption.

No, the camera was this time centered with full view over the full width of the bonnet.
Here a picture from the stage before from latvala. (Click to zoom)

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[stefanvv]

No, the camera was this time centered with full view over the full width of the bonnet.
Here a picture from the stage before from latvala. (Click to zoom)

858

so You saw the spectator, so did we from fan videos from outside. Why should we all trust Latvala/Antila have seen him too?

[tommeke_B]

so You saw the spectator, so did we from fan videos from outside. Why should we all trust Latvala/Antila have seen him too?

Maybe you should read the stewards decision. ;) After the finish, at the stop-line, Latvala told Julian Porter that he hit a spectator (before anyone else talked about it). So he knew about it, no need to discuss about it.

[stefanvv]

Maybe you should read the stewards decision. ;) After the finish, at the stop-line, Latvala told Julian Porter that he hit a spectator (before anyone else talked about it). So he knew about it, no need to discuss about it.

yes I read it, thanks. There are lot of arguments one of which is the steam/mud visibility, there is also Latvala's statement he didn't see much and was looking to get back on the road. That one I'm discussing, why the stewards consider this as evidence, if only the one You mention is enough. There is lot of uncertainty about this. But no need to discuss it indeed, just mention it to consider evidence of something which can't be considered as such.

[Mirek]

so You saw the spectator, so did we from fan videos from outside. Why should we all trust Latvala/Antila have seen him too?

Because a blind person can hardly drive for a works team in WRC?

[stefanvv]

Because a blind person can hardly drive for a works team in WRC?

I didn't said he is blind, where did I said that?

[Mirek]

Hopefully, Rossetti will be one of them! The Italian managed to win Clio Cup (2nd in MC after Burri Jr, but 1st overall on season cup results) and will make 6 WRC events with Renault Sport.
https://www.facebook.com/DP-Autosport-289297644450109/

Rossetti was disqualified according to his facebook but so far no decision on ACM website.

Also funny steward decision about Suarez/Giordano incident. Both somewhat penalized, both more or less symbolically. Anyway here are the decisions. Take it as You will.
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-71.pdf
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-81.pdf

Than several fines for not pushing some button when retiring (for example Tempestini or Trivino). 1000 Euro for not pushing a button is quite a lot...

Also like during Barum several fines for missing barcodes on tyres of low-budget teams.

[stefanvv]

Rossetti was disqualified according to his facebook but so far no decision on ACM website.

Also funny steward decision about Suarez/Giordano incident. Both somewhat penalized, both more or less symbolicly. Anyway here are the decisions. Take it as You will.
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-71.pdf
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-81.pdf


Getting better and better

[Mirek]

I didn't said he is blind, where did I said that?

I don't understand what are You trying to push all the time. It's pretty obvious he knew he hit the guy.

[stefanvv]

I don't understand what are You trying to push all the time. It's pretty obvious he knew he hit the guy.

sorry it's not obvious for me, but I might be wrong.... all we have is words which might be misinterpreted, or exaggerated?!?

edit: lets leave it all this anyway, Latvala is guilty not checking a spectator, the spectator is guilty standing at dangerous place and throwing himself into the car to safe his camera, the organizers are guilty to not controlling the spectators safely, so everybody's guilty and lets hope all come down to a little scare for that spectator, our sport is dangerous, but spectacular....

[ironseb]

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[N.O.T]

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[stefanvv]

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Beautiful, but polluting the atmosphere....

[markf8691]

Think it's gonna be world title number 4 to Sebastien Ogier, Kris Meeke was the only one who could keep pace with him - everybody else looked like they were in a lower class or something!

TV coverage was rubbish as well this year...

[hype]

Great final day of a great rally :)

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-4/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-4-011-Mads-Ostberg-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-4/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-4-015-Thierry-Neuville-Hyundai-i20-WRC.jpg

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[leighton323]

Beautiful, but polluting the atmosphere....

Seriously?
Apart from the flair the others are contrails...

[stefanvv]

Seriously?
Apart from the flair the others are contrails...

Nah, just for fun. Great and beautiful rally with great sportsmanship. I was just missing more snow....

[dupanton]

Rossetti was disqualified according to his facebook but so far no decision on ACM website.



Now the decision is on their website!

It all means that not Rossetti but Michael Burri will be the Renault driver for 6 rally's in WRC3 this year.

[Dug83]

Seriously?
Apart from the flair the others are contrails...

Are we sure the VW is...

[Karukera]

Great final day of a great rally :)

Great natural pictures, exactly what i saw on the stages.

[AL14]

Great natural pictures, exactly what i saw on the stages.
Confirm!

[René]

Another video

https://www.facebook.com/Rcs_Vid%C3%A9o-1431743697069468/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Noticed that neither the standard WRC English commentary or the MotorsTV one mentioned Latvala hitting the spectator at all...

MotorsTV said after the suspension damage was 'pulled out by the team'...

[Karukera]

Noticed that neither the standard WRC English commentary or the MotorsTV one mentioned Latvala hitting the spectator at all...

MotorsTV said after the suspension damage was 'pulled out by the team'...

Same thing with l'Equipe21 TV footage who's in charge in France.

[dimviii]

and the best video till now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v44T2_D1VCM

[bunnings]

http://i.imgur.com/zC8vpSE.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE

[GigiGalliNo1]

MotorsTV said after the suspension damage was 'pulled out by the team'...

Could it be true that JML's suspension could have been fixed and continue the rally...

BUT

To play it safe they knew he hit spectator and 'retired' JML from the rally...?

[Karukera]

Could it be true that JML's suspension could have been fixed and continue the rally...

BUT To play it safe they knew he hit spectator and 'retired' JML from the rally...?

If true wise move by VW staff to avoid public embarassment for them and ACM as a consequence.
Silence in footage is promoter's willing to keep the series as clean as possible in "general" public's eyes.

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motor-sport/meeke-curses-his-bad-luck-in-monte-carlo-34392542.html

[Christos Kolperiadis]

http://i.imgur.com/zC8vpSE.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE

perfect video...

[hype]

Great natural pictures, exactly what i saw on the stages.

Thanks!

Another one from Thierry:

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-4/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-4-012-Thierry-Neuville-Hyundai-i20-WRC.jpg

[dimviii]

[QUOTE=bunnings;1078873]http://i.imgur.com/zC8vpSE.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE[/QUOTΕ]
Εxcellent video!!! http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/thumbsup.gif

[mousti]

Buongiorno a tutti, vorrei scrivere brevemente cosa accaduto ieri sera alle verifiche post gara Montecarlo.
premetto che , ma questo non vuole assolutamente giustificare nulla, il vincitore della gara e poi del trofeo non è stato verificato...che durante un riordino in gara abbiamo subito un controllo delle presenza piombatura turbo ed al nostro avversario no in quanto non riusciva ad aprire cofano per la presenza dei fari supplementari ( noi per aprire li abbiamo sganciati) ...nel post gara la nostra Clio è stata verificata in molte componenti : autobloccante completo, collettore scarico, catalizzatore, mozzi posteriori, pinze freno, dischi freno, barra stabilizzatrice, prova pallina turbo , tutti trovati conformi. Infine inizia l'incubo....smontaggio completo turbina. Qui dopo tutta una serie di misure è stata trovata non conforme una lavorazione sulla parte interna chiocciola parte fredda ( restrittore conforme!) relativa ad una revisione turbo pre gara che con pur le tolleranze del caso risultava essere 0,7 mm in eccesso sulle misure in fiche. È' stato compreso da parte dei tecnici FIA che la lavorazione non portasse nessun beneficio evidente, anzi, ma la difformità dal pezzo omologato ha portato alla decisione dell' esclusione dell'auto senza penalizzare ll concorrente, che si limita a guidare e bene ciò che gli viene affidato.
In questo caso la responsabilità è tutta del team, io in primis, che avrebbe dovuto controllare meglio i propri fornitori.
Ora il rammarico più grande a livello personale e sportivo è aver fatto perdere a Luca Rossetti ed Eleonora Mori una grande opportunità.
L' amarezza più grande da quando abbiamo iniziato questa avventura che si chiama Dp Autosport non mi permette oggi di pensare a cosa ci riserverà il futuro.
Voglio però ringraziare e scusarmi allo stesso tempo con le persone che ci hanno permesso di andare a giocarci la finale di Montecarlo : Guglielmo Giacomello, Michele Sassano, Danilo Colombini e PromoSportRacing, Exasat, Autofficina Ceriani, RG .

Grazie e scusate ancora.

Alessandro Pedrocchi
Dp Autosport

[Simorally86]

Some pictures of the most famous Rally in the World!

http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/84deg-rallye-montecarlo.html

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.559513720869340.1073741863.253244108162971&type=3

[Mirek]

Buongiorno a tutti, vorrei scrivere brevemente cosa accaduto ieri sera alle verifiche post gara Montecarlo.
premetto che , ma questo non vuole assolutamente giustificare nulla, il vincitore della gara e poi del trofeo non è stato verificato...che durante un riordino in gara abbiamo subito un controllo delle presenza piombatura turbo ed al nostro avversario no in quanto non riusciva ad aprire cofano per la presenza dei fari supplementari ( noi per aprire li abbiamo sganciati) ...nel post gara la nostra Clio è stata verificata in molte componenti : autobloccante completo, collettore scarico, catalizzatore, mozzi posteriori, pinze freno, dischi freno, barra stabilizzatrice, prova pallina turbo , tutti trovati conformi. Infine inizia l'incubo....smontaggio completo turbina. Qui dopo tutta una serie di misure è stata trovata non conforme una lavorazione sulla parte interna chiocciola parte fredda ( restrittore conforme!) relativa ad una revisione turbo pre gara che con pur le tolleranze del caso risultava essere 0,7 mm in eccesso sulle misure in fiche. È' stato compreso da parte dei tecnici FIA che la lavorazione non portasse nessun beneficio evidente, anzi, ma la difformità dal pezzo omologato ha portato alla decisione dell' esclusione dell'auto senza penalizzare ll concorrente, che si limita a guidare e bene ciò che gli viene affidato.
In questo caso la responsabilità è tutta del team, io in primis, che avrebbe dovuto controllare meglio i propri fornitori.
Ora il rammarico più grande a livello personale e sportivo è aver fatto perdere a Luca Rossetti ed Eleonora Mori una grande opportunità.
L' amarezza più grande da quando abbiamo iniziato questa avventura che si chiama Dp Autosport non mi permette oggi di pensare a cosa ci riserverà il futuro.
Voglio però ringraziare e scusarmi allo stesso tempo con le persone che ci hanno permesso di andare a giocarci la finale di Montecarlo : Guglielmo Giacomello, Michele Sassano, Danilo Colombini e PromoSportRacing, Exasat, Autofficina Ceriani, RG .

Grazie e scusate ancora.

Alessandro Pedrocchi
Dp Autosport

Any translation for non-Italian speaking? I don't like to use auto-translation in serious cases as it always creates only more confusion.

[René]

Hello everyone, I would like to write briefly what happened yesterday evening to checks the post race Montecarlo.
Let me start by saying that , but this does not justify anything, the winner of the race and then of the Trophy has not been verified...that during a reorganization in the race we suffered a control of presence plumbing turbo and to our adversary no because could not open the hood for the presence of additional lights ( us to open we unclipped) ...in the post race our Clio has been verified in many components : complete self-locking, exhaust manifold, catalyst, rear hubs, brake calipers and brake discs, anti-roll bar, proof ball turbo , all found in conformity. Finally begins the nightmare....complete disassembly turbine. Here after a whole series of measures has been found not to conform a machining on the inside nut part cold ( restrictor correct!) relating to a revision turbo pre race that with while the tolerances of the case appeared to be 0.7 mm in excess on measures in the fiche. It has been understood by those skilled in the FIA that the processing does not lead no obvious benefit, indeed, but the differences from the certified part led to the decision of the exclusion of the car without penalizing ll competitor, which confines itself to guide and well what is entrusted.
In this case the responsibility is all of the team, I in primis, which ought to have better control of their suppliers.
Now the biggest regret at the personal level and sports is having to lose to Luca Rossetti and Eleonora Mori a great opportunity.
The bitterness bigger than when we started this adventure that is called Dp Autosport does not allow me today to think about what the future hold for us.
However I would like to thank and apologize at the same time with the people that have allowed us to go to play the final of the Monte Carlo : William Giacomello, Michele Sassano, Danilo Colombini and PromoSportRacing, Exasat, Autofficina Ceriani, RG .

Thanks and sorry again.

Alessandro Pedrocchi
Dp Autosport

[Mirek]

Mérci beaucoup

[AL14]

Any translation for non-Italian speaking? I don't like to use auto-translation in serious cases as it always creates only more confusion.

It's very difficult to translate it literally for me because there are a lot of techincal words and I really don't even know how the engine makes the wheel go...

The only thing I can do is a resume...

Who write is Alessandro Pedrocchi of PD Autosport. He referes to the Rossetti issue.
He says that, without the will of justify anything, the winner of the rally and the trophy has not been verified, during the rally they have been checked on something related with the turbo and their opponent didn't because he could not open the car because of the headlights on the bonnet (but they unfasten them and get checked).

After the race their Clio has been verified in a lot of components (and I can't translate them because I don't know what they are, but it seems they where a lot), and everything was good.
But then they dismantled the turbine and one thing inside it (which I can't translate either but Google translate says "a machining on the inside cold part snail" hope this can help you to understand) was found 0,7mm longer. It's not the restrictor because he says it was ok.
Everyone from FIA agreed this thing did not gave any advantage and that's why they didn't penalize Rossetti, but they decided to exclude the car from the race.

He is very sad because he said that the responibility is all of the team, and his in a first instance that should have checked better its supplier.
He says also that his bigger regret in a personal and sportive way is to have made lose Rossetti and Mori a big opportunity, it is the biggest disappointment since they started their adventure called Dp Autosport and he can't think now what they will be in the future.
He then thanks all his collaborators and sponsors and apologize once more with everyone.

[AL14]

Hello everyone, I would like to write briefly what happened yesterday evening to checks the post race Montecarlo.
Let me start by saying that , but this does not justify anything, the winner of the race and then of the Trophy has not been verified...that during a reorganization in the race we suffered a control of presence plumbing turbo and to our adversary no because could not open the hood for the presence of additional lights ( us to open we unclipped) ...in the post race our Clio has been verified in many components : complete self-locking, exhaust manifold, catalyst, rear hubs, brake calipers and brake discs, anti-roll bar, proof ball turbo , all found in conformity. Finally begins the nightmare....complete disassembly turbine. Here after a whole series of measures has been found not to conform a machining on the inside nut part cold ( restrictor correct!) relating to a revision turbo pre race that with while the tolerances of the case appeared to be 0.7 mm in excess on measures in the fiche. It has been understood by those skilled in the FIA that the processing does not lead no obvious benefit, indeed, but the differences from the certified part led to the decision of the exclusion of the car without penalizing ll competitor, which confines itself to guide and well what is entrusted.
In this case the responsibility is all of the team, I in primis, which ought to have better control of their suppliers.
Now the biggest regret at the personal level and sports is having to lose to Luca Rossetti and Eleonora Mori a great opportunity.
The bitterness bigger than when we started this adventure that is called Dp Autosport does not allow me today to think about what the future hold for us.
However I would like to thank and apologize at the same time with the people that have allowed us to go to play the final of the Monte Carlo : William Giacomello, Michele Sassano, Danilo Colombini and PromoSportRacing, Exasat, Autofficina Ceriani, RG .

Thanks and sorry again.

Alessandro Pedrocchi
Dp Autosport

God, I've just wasted 10 minutes of my life. You did a way better job btw :D

[Mirek]

Thanks, the technical side is clear for me from the FIA documents. The dimension (inner diameter of the compressor housing was 0,7 mm bigger than the upper level of tolerance. It was in fact 1,1 mm bigger than the nominal size.

The FIA document states that Mr. Toquet, FIA technical delegate, found difficult to estimate the impact on the performance however stated that in theory the turbocharger shall be better than homologated one (if somebody can reasonably explain why I would be grateful). What is important is that rules explicitely say that performance gain is irrelevant in case of non-homologated parts therefore the exclusion comes in place.

The FIA document: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.121.pdf

[dimviii]

its fair to disqualify Rosseti.0,7 is way off the tolerances.
If he gained? Nobody can say,if you dont test these 2 different turbos at same dyno.
Fia says that also the turbine wheel was different to original provided by Renault.But they dont said if it is lighter,if it has less/more fins etc.
Pitty for Rosseti.

[SpeedEstRacing]

My vidéo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L_ChWoNU58

[dimviii]

About Meeke agree he had quite a good rally with almost no mistakes. Unfortunately the little he made cost him lot.

“It was exciting and it was a shame we couldn’t fight to the end of the rally. It was purely bad luck what happened to him.


Ogier at wrc.com
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2016/ogier-relax/page/3195--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

nice one

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZlq9w4WAAA6QhG.jpg




https://youtu.be/_hI6oxx9pWk


Lefebvre
https://youtu.be/F5_vux3AsXw

[René]

Mérci beaucoup

Jste vítejte (am I correct?)

[Mirek]

Unfortunately not. The phrase "You're welcome" is not used in that meaning in Czech language. We use an equivalent of "not at all" which we say as "není zač" [nanee zatch] :)

[dimviii]

up the volume.Meeke on limiter
https://youtu.be/rj-PhwpScxQ

[liposh]

yes, it is equivalent of german "nichs zu danken" (we were under dominion of Habsburg monarchy, so lot of our words has same rules as german (austrian) phrases)

[COD]

[QUOTE=bunnings;1078873]http://i.imgur.com/zC8vpSE.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE[/QUOTΕ]
Εxcellent video!!! http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/thumbsup.gif


http://i.imgur.com/zC8vpSE.jpg?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vD7fXwtdE

Some crazy spectators again on that video. Specially those nutheads on the outside in front of mobile homes. Is a car goes off, they are crushed betweem rallycar and that caravan. Insane

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Of course what happend to Meeke was bad luck. All we know that he has the speed but he is making mistakes too often. His driving at rally was very good but again he had some small moments.
At SS1 he spun.
At the beggining of this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN0GKncM6Tw i think that he was lucky to escape from there without an off.
And here again was a small moment for him www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8

PS: Lets hope next year to have a really fast car like VW to help him not making mistakes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thanks for all these fantastic fan videos !

(Who needs WRC+ with its live stages spoilt by the commentators and it's poor quality onboards ??)

The fans choice of the best viewpoints and the pure sound let us enjoy the real rally. :)

[dimviii]

Ogier at a fast section
https://youtu.be/-PkZG35ZX_M

[dimviii]

after Kremer crash at the pole ,i was wondering what happened with the next cars at the stage.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmHjLqWEAAT1HN.jpg

[stefanvv]

“It was exciting and it was a shame we couldn’t fight to the end of the rally. It was purely bad luck what happened to him.


Ogier at wrc.com
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2016/ogier-relax/page/3195--12-12-.html

All Ogier says is true. The battle was quite unpredictable until some point. I wonder what would have happened if Meeke was taking more risk with tyre choice, like Mikkelsen or Hyundais. Nevertheless my point generally is that Meeke still takes more risks to keep up with Ogier, may be he needs to as his car is not fast enough, I don't know. Ogier had only a moment or 2 the whole rally, while with Meeke there were bigger offs/spins.

[stefanvv]

after Kremer crash at the pole ,i was wondering what happened with the next cars at the stage.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmHjLqWEAAT1HN.jpg

interesting, I wondered I about that too. Handy spectators!

[Rally Power]

its fair to disqualify Rosseti.0,7 is way off the tolerances.
If he gained? Nobody can say,if you dont test these 2 different turbos at same dyno.
Fia says that also the turbine wheel was different to original provided by Renault.But they dont said if it is lighter,if it has less/more fins etc.
Pitty for Rosseti.

This sucks! In almost every single-make Cups if you try very hard you'll end finding something not totally conform. If it's true that Burri's car wasn't opened we'll never know if he was 100% legal and that's a shame. Especially for Renault Sport image!

It's hard for Rossetti but he must keep his head up! It wasn’t his fault and he deserves much better than a WRC3 program...he should be in CIR or ERC in a top R5 car. Best luck to him!

[AL14]

after Kremer crash at the pole ,i was wondering what happened with the next cars at the stage.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmHjLqWEAAT1HN.jpg

LOL the solitary man with the black jacket and the camera did not give a fuck all the time and kept taking pictures with the same identical pose.

[dimviii]

LOL the solitary man with the black jacket and the camera did not give a fuck all the time and kept taking pictures with the same identical pose.

even when Kremer is about 10? meters from him straight forward,dont give a fuck,he is still taking photos.

[AL14]

was wondering... Is there some geek guy in here that can take the gif dimvii posted some page ago about the crazy guy with the hyundai jacket and somehow cut it out in order to use it on other images or videos? I think it would be funny to see it on other contexts :D

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/t7dmkoyP2BE

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-238-0-16737500-1453757735.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-238-0-38847300-1453757754.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-238-0-54427800-1453757774.jpg

[Mirek]

This sucks! In almost every single-make Cups if you try very hard you'll end finding something not totally conform. If it's true that Burri's car wasn't opened we'll never know if he was 100% legal and that's a shame. Especially for Renault Sport image!

It's hard for Rossetti but he must keep his head up! It wasn’t his fault and he deserves much better than a WRC3 program...he should be in CIR or ERC in a top R5 car. Best luck to him!

If crews shall not be excluded for non-homologated turbo than please tell me what they would have to do to be excluded? In this case it's totally right to exclude him no matter how harsh it may look like. Think about it from the opposite side. Would be fair to his competitors to let him be when he clearly had non-homologated turbo?

About Burri... We don't know what actually happend and the history teach us not to believe in everything what team managers say. Anyway it's normal that FIA checks only selected cars, they simply can not check everyone.

[stefanvv]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-238-0-54427800-1453757774.jpg

If there was "the Red Bull" on the car the photo would be complete.

[Rally Power]

If crews shall not be excluded for non-homologated turbo than please tell me what they would have to do to be excluded? In this case it's totally right to exclude him no matter how harsh it may look like. Think about it from the opposite side. Would be fair to his competitors to let him be when he clearly had non-homologated turbo?

About Burri... We don't know what actually happend and the history teach us not to believe in everything what team managers say. Anyway it's normal that FIA checks only selected cars, they simply can not check everyone.

It seems we're lost in...communication! I agree with you and dimvii! 'This' was used as 'The whole situation' sucks!

Off course Rossetti must be excluded, but as I pointed it's very rare to see a single-make car 100% legal when officials get into a meticulous inspection and it makes equal sense to open Rox's car (as the Cup overall winner) as Burri's car; after all, Burri it's not an 'everyone', he was the winner of the final (and most important) round of this Clio R3T Trophy.

Was Burri's car also fully inspected? A reliable answer to this question can make a big difference to understand this mess.

Btw, French and Italians are both masters in this sort of dubious situations:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/21/newsid_2506000/2506863.stm
http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/11/remembering-whensanremo-1986-changed-the-face-of-rallying

[Rally Power]

LOL the solitary man with the black jacket and the camera did not give a fuck all the time and kept taking pictures with the same identical pose.

Probably, an EDF employee making a report of the post destruction…;-)

Btw, great teamwork from spectators!

[René]

Unfortunately not. The phrase "You're welcome" is not used in that meaning in Czech language. We use an equivalent of "not at all" which we say as "není zač" [nanee zatch] :)

in French language we say "il n'y a pas de quoi"

[Mirek]

It seems we're lost in...communication! I agree with you and dimvii! 'This' was used as 'The whole situation' sucks!

Sorry for misunderstanding.

[Fly]

Andolfi vs Berfa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQ-G4jD8wI

[Morte66]

Andolfi vs Berfa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQ-G4jD8wI

Well, that is one way to say "check your mirrors".

[Lundefaret]

All Ogier says is true. The battle was quite unpredictable until some point. I wonder what would have happened if Meeke was taking more risk with tyre choice, like Mikkelsen or Hyundais. Nevertheless my point generally is that Meeke still takes more risks to keep up with Ogier, may be he needs to as his car is not fast enough, I don't know. Ogier had only a moment or 2 the whole rally, while with Meeke there were bigger offs/spins.

I think You need to see this in another perspective, in regards to risk. Jari Matti Latvia also drivers a Volkswagen, drove slower than Meeke, but with a lot higher risk. Mikkelsen also had some moments, and especially one huge one that could have ended his rally. Its more about driving technique than the difference in cars.
Meeke drove a great rally, and he is adjusting his driving technique, but still has a little way to go.

[AL14]

Video of the guys fixing the pole after Kremer hit it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfXhLC0qxwI&sns=em&list=PLVyRAt2cxbxtEKxfACAhK3GeCOUq1XMKs

[stefanvv]

I think You need to see this in another perspective, in regards to risk. Jari Matti Latvia also drivers a Volkswagen, drove slower than Meeke, but with a lot higher risk. Mikkelsen also had some moments, and especially one huge one that could have ended his rally. Its more about driving technique than the difference in cars.
Meeke drove a great rally, and he is adjusting his driving technique, but still has a little way to go.

I read my post in Yours, but I'm not speaking about Latvala & Mikkelsen, so may be difference in cars is negligible indeed.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-1417-0-50025900-1453811997.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-1417-0-03177000-1453812023.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/52/02/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_JU_102_520235_56a63d385.jp g
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/52/03/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_JU_076_520339_56a63d469.jp g
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/52/03/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_JU_136_520363_56a63d497.jp g

[Loïc.D]

Hello to all,

Here is the video of the Rally of Monte Carlo 2016.
On the menu of the attack and some small errors.

Good viewing and do not hesitate to share!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPTtrH5Gks

[AL14]

A little video that I'm sure Lundefaret will appreciate.
Actually I don't think this is a real way to compare Ogier and Latvala. In Monte Jari-Matti is another driver scared of everything and you can find that kind of surface only here. But I thought would be nice to share with you anyway.

https://www.facebook.com/motoraldia/videos/1012428498829169/

[wia5958]

I read my post in Yours, but I'm not speaking about Latvala & Mikkelsen, so may be difference in cars is negligible indeed.

Meekes moments although moments werent as big as u make out perhaps. Yes the spin was a spin no big thing not a big moment at all. Yes the off into the snow looked a big moment but minimal time lost and no damage. The rock not his fault it was on the racing line. Where as ogiers big moment was clipping the rear of the car of a bridge lightly damaging this suspension. Luckily service after the next stage so could potentially have been a rally ending collision with the bridge. So really who had the biggest moment I wouldnt say meeke was taking any more risks than ogier was or vice versas the 2 guys were driving to the limit in conditions at the time. I wouldnt criticise meekes risks without lookin at ogiers aswell

[AL14]

Meeke took a lot of risks as always. He was unlucky in his accident but lucky other times. And Monte is a rally he's good to but there are others where he is a bit slower and still taking too much risks.
I know this may not be a popular opinion now. But I'm sure that a couple of months ago you would have agreed with me and in a few months things do not change that much.
Ok, Kris has now more experience and a three years contract. It can only go better for him but to beat Ogier you need much more and, most important, you can't drive like Meeke does IMO.

[stefanvv]

Meekes moments although moments werent as big as u make out perhaps. Yes the spin was a spin no big thing not a big moment at all. Yes the off into the snow looked a big moment but minimal time lost and no damage. The rock not his fault it was on the racing line. Where as ogiers big moment was clipping the rear of the car of a bridge lightly damaging this suspension. Luckily service after the next stage so could potentially have been a rally ending collision with the bridge. So really who had the biggest moment I wouldnt say meeke was taking any more risks than ogier was or vice versas the 2 guys were driving to the limit in conditions at the time. I wouldnt criticise meekes risks without lookin at ogiers aswell

I was watching a stage comparison between the 2 at wrc+, I don't remember which stage it was, but what was obvious there is Ogier pulling ahead at the dry parts of the stage, while on the snowy/icy parts Meeke was faster and Ogier was veeery careful there. In my understanding the risk factor is higher with Meeke.

[Barreis]

Didn't know canabis is legalized in France...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122597

[Atob WRC]

Hello all!

Here our videos from the Rally!

VIDEO RALLY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjFxoB_Rqg

VIDEO LATVALA CRASH : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjFxoB_Rqg

[stefanvv]

Didn't know canabis is legalized in France...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122597

there are 13 more chances, will they take them all?

[stefanvv]

Hello all!

Here our videos from the Rally!

VIDEO RALLY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjFxoB_Rqg

VIDEO LATVALA CRASH : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjFxoB_Rqg

it's 1 video with Latvala

[dimviii]

it's 1 video with Latvala

this is the right video
https://youtu.be/55cuFteAFVc

[car]

Worth a watch... Colin Clark talking about RMC and Latvala's incident. Some stern but fair and honest words.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGozwLMmgKv

[Toyoda]

Worth a watch... Colin Clark talking about RMC and Latvala's incident. Some stern but fair and honest words.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGozwLMmgKv

Surprising the dude was not badly injured

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t35.0-12/12637032_10153252214850925_1794964555_o.jpg?oh=e0d cc8833445e3b861a19b9041053b17&oe=56AA2F39

[AL14]

Worth a watch... Colin Clark talking about RMC and Latvala's incident. Some stern but fair and honest words.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGozwLMmgKv

it's been a tough day and I'm too lazy to listen to all the video. :) Can you pls resume what he said about Latvala's incident please?

[dimviii]

Best video clip from Monte http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/lipssealed.gif
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBBDYwXrN9j/

[rayh_mx]

VIDEO LATVALA CRASH : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjFxoB_Rqg

Stupid photographer, tried to save his gear instead of saving his life

When someone is hit by a car because didn't pay attention... in Mexico Whe say:

[/sarcasm on]
El conductor iba borracho... The Driver was drunk
[/sarcasm off]

[Rally Power]

Sorry for misunderstanding.

You don’t need to be sorry mate; it was my fault as I wasn’t clear enough!

Just two more thoughts on this Cliogate.

I suppose Rossetti entered the Clio Trophy because it was the only way he found to carry on his rally passion in a competitive way, but we must recognize the need to be humble and brave in order to get back to a single-make series after being Italian and European champion.

Even with this sad (and yet not totally explained) ending, Rox’s season achievements should be regarded as worthy as his previous rally wins and tittles.

As for Burri Jr, that seems totally strange to this messy situation, it’s also fair to say that he did a remarkable job in this MC, proving all his talent and ability to progress at WRC.

Best luck to both!

Two nice moments from their season:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNI5_l_ITPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpZ01Sftnw

[stefanvv]

Worth a watch... Colin Clark talking about RMC and Latvala's incident. Some stern but fair and honest words.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGozwLMmgKv

Yeaaah, may be has a point. Another topic for thinking might be "why the spectator was risking his health trying to save his stupid camera and putting Latvala in this embarrassing situation?".

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Is this just me or this year live stages interviews were just an excuse to introducing Molly..?
Even last year live stages have less interviews..

[makinen_fan]

Interesting tweet:

Carlos del Barrio ‏@CarlosdelBarrio 2h2 hours ago View translation
Y quiero hablar como hice en Power Stage, d una norma FIA 2016 q en Montecarlo no se cumplió.#DeRally @movistarplus
Translated from Spanish by Bing Wrong translation?
And I want to talk about how I did in Power Stage, d a standard FIA 2016 q in Monte Carlo was not fulfilled. #DeRally @movistarplus

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZq9kaFWwAEeV38.jpg:large

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

^ No wonder why they're braking so hard..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Is this just me or this year live stages interviews were just an excuse to introducing Molly..?
Even last year live stages have less interviews..

Molly Pettit is now part of the WRC tv crew...

[tc10a]

full-throttle in service park between the crowds - What was Ogier thinking?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-qD-hfCOU&feature=youtu.be

[hype]

Mikkelsen on Saturday

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-3/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-3-020-Andreas-Mikkelsen-Volkswagen-Polo-WRC.jpg

[rallyfiend]

full-throttle in service park between the crowds - What was Ogier thinking?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-qD-hfCOU&feature=youtu.be

Probably the same thing as Jari Matti after he smacked a spectator...

[dimviii]

very nice video with some fast corners,watch Ostberg at 1,00.
https://youtu.be/8ULMY324Jzg

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/asz_stsm0237.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/asz_stsm0204.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/asz_img_7892.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/asz_stsm0188.jpg

[dimviii]

Miikka Anttila

Good evening everybody. I want to apologize for my silence. I think that after our retirement in Rallye Monte Carlo, I needed a minute.
I feel really sorry about what happen there and I'm glad that nobody was hurt.
Thank you very much for your messages of support and see you in Sweden!

https://www.facebook.com/MiikkaAnttilaWRC/

[makinen_fan]

And Jari followed soon after... VW PR talk IMO

Jari-Matti Latvala Official Fanclub
1 hr ·
I really want to thank you all for your very kind words and your support after Rallye Monte Carlo. The most important is that nobody was hurt.
It's time for us to think about Rally Sweden and prepare it the best we can to come back stronger!
‪#‎Kiitos‬

[car]

very nice video with some fast corners,watch Ostberg at 1,00.
https://youtu.be/8ULMY324Jzg

Holy sh1t, the polo at 1:30 is incredibly fast...

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-38329900-1453927989.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-60773500-1453928005.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-97130100-1453927913.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-36156500-1453927896.jpg
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12552723_544950805664190_4144089219777964756_n.jpg ?oh=e3142603d6981d02b5879848f5881dcd&oe=572CA290

[Nornbugger]

Yeaaah, may be has a point. Another topic for thinking might be "why the spectator was risking his health trying to save his stupid camera and putting Latvala in this embarrassing situation?".

He(spectator) made a stupid momentary misjudgement? Latvala is supposed to be a professional, higher standards are rightly expected from them

[Rally Power]

He(spectator) made a stupid momentary misjudgement? Latvala is supposed to be a professional, higher standards are rightly expected from them

Yep, and higher spectator's safety standards are also expected from organizers! I'm curious to see if FIA will also apply a fine to ACM.

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Kris Meeke onboard SS1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FKg1JhfIo

[GigiGalliNo1]

Pre Meeke Rock/Underguard issue video

https://video-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xla1/v/t42.1790-2/12621878_593208584161145_1632191851_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjEyNjMsInJsYSI6NTIyLCJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InYzXz QyNl9jcmZfMjNfbWFpbl8zLjBfc2QifQ%3D%3D&rl=1263&vabr=702&oh=9ee68db737b6b0d3ac2afb49e350a701&oe=56AA4B02

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-2622-0-49218900-1454083965.jpg


http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-96774400-1454018459.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-52217700-1454018551.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-10640100-1454018555.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-77436500-1454018558.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-69600400-1454018563.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3035-0-56518300-1454018567.jpg

[giu canbera]

No more RedBullTV with 53 min Highlights?? =´[

[SubaruNorway]

Just a quick question, are ice note crews allowed for WRC2 and WRC3 or do many use it if it is allowed?

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Kris Meeke onboard SS1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FKg1JhfIo
Removed.

BTW, who's upload it..?

[Barreis]

No more RedBullTV with 53 min Highlights?? =´[

It says different here... ;)
http://www.redbull.tv/episodes/AP-1KT1SB2KW2111/monte-carlo

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Ogier flat out !!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7qs9YqCx4k

[rage82]

Just a quick question, are ice note crews allowed for WRC2 and WRC3 or do many use it if it is allowed?
I think that the regulations said that the route note car is allowed only for WRC crews. However when we were spectating RMC in 2012 first edition after IRC every competitor has a route note car. So maybe they have some special rule applied only in RMC.


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[AL14]

I think that the regulations said that the route note car is allowed only for WRC crews. However when we were spectating RMC in 2012 first edition after IRC every competitor has a route note car. So maybe they have some special rule applied only in RMC.


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Yes there were a lot of route car also this year. I think almost all drivers had one actually, they were a lot.

[dimviii]

gravel crews wasnt only for wrc cars.

[EstWRC]

Tänak having fun https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=434136236780942&id=154849334709635&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallifoorum.ee%2Ffoorum%2F viewtopic.php&_rdr

[dimviii]

some very nice/fast spots at this video.Watch Bouffier high speed crash near the end.
https://youtu.be/3HZZSx9ZXV0

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12646768_1557760451206870_7820977163785263473_o.jp g

[PLuto]

I think that the regulations said that the route note car is allowed only for WRC crews. However when we were spectating RMC in 2012 first edition after IRC every competitor has a route note car. So maybe they have some special rule applied only in RMC.

In IRC era it was not special rule for RMC, it was allowed for everyone. After return to WRC they allowed "gravel cars" only for WRC drivers, but after big push from all others, they found that for safety reasons they will allow it also for other crews (surprisingly good decision by FIA). So this year, gravel crews were allowed for each crew.

[dimviii]

Meeke vs Ogier
https://twitter.com/richicg/media?lang=el

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All the top boys in this awesome flat-out section ! Meeke just quickest for me...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Itl2rr-QUYQ

[dimviii]

wow !! Meeke on limiter jumping, through the right turn.

[Lundefaret]

All the top boys in this awesome flat-out section ! Meeke just quickest for me...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Itl2rr-QUYQ

Meeke with best line and fastest.
But also look at how stable the Citroën is on high speed tarmac compared to the others.

[rage82]

gravel crews wasnt only for wrc cars.

Dimviii this is from FIA regulations:

11.5 ROUTE NOTE CARS
11.5.1 For sections of a rally run entirely on asphalt, one route note car may be used for each driver
entered with a World Rally car.
Such cars shall:
- Contain no more than 2 persons.
- Comply with the requirements for reconnaissance cars as in Art. 25.1.
- Carry any required FIA signage on each front door including ‘Safe Drive’ logos.
- Operate the speed control device as used during reconnaissance.
- Respect the speed limit for the special stages which will be announced by the clerk of the course.
2016 FIA World Rally Championship Sporting Regulations
Application from: 01/01/2016 18/100
Published on: 09/12/2015
- Operate within a schedule issued by the organisers and run under the authority of the clerk of the course.
- Respect the list of route note exchange points which may be issued by the clerk of the course.
- Cover no more than one passage of each special stage.
- In no way interfere with the schedule of the rally.
- Be used only for their allocated World Rally Car driver and withdrawn if this driver retires from the event.
If not the RNC crew, then one team member per competitor may be present in the RNEP for the sole
purpose of handing over the notes to the respective crew(s).
11.5.2 The rally organisation may also run its own route note car to provide advisory route notes for the
other competitor.

Edit: now I saw Pluto's answer so as I understand it it's a FIA decision for RMC.

[dimviii]

@rage82

Athanassoulas had a gravel crew.
Dimitris Amaxopoulos and Dimitris Sainis,here with co-driver Nikos Zackhaios.

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12645112_980756125328740_5211741219811021871_n.jpg ?oh=213da0db1acf9e78e85b172d5210ff72&oe=57277B7D

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12647197_977918312279188_4138811521669938469_n.jpg ?oh=aae823fcc4f9df8ddc9ac127460c32a2&oe=573E3A0A

[rage82]

@rage82

Athanassoulas had a gravel crew.
Dimitris Amaxopoulos and Dimitris Sainis,here with co-driver Nikos Zackhaios.

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12645112_980756125328740_5211741219811021871_n.jpg ?oh=213da0db1acf9e78e85b172d5210ff72&oe=57277B7D

https://scontent.fath2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12647197_977918312279188_4138811521669938469_n.jpg ?oh=aae823fcc4f9df8ddc9ac127460c32a2&oe=573E3A0A

Oh, I know that he has a gravel crew on Monte. That's exactly my point, that every competitor has had a gravel crew on Monte and the regulations are saying that only WRC crews can have a route note car creating some controversy. But as explained by Pluto it seems it was a decision from FIA to allow everybody a gravel crew just for RMC. Cheers!

[dimviii]

Meeke with best line and fastest.
But also look at how stable the Citroën is on high speed tarmac compared to the others.

a guy at a Greek forum copied the 6th gear ratios and final drive between polo vs ds3 and ds3 has 2km/h more top speed from polo.
Just for reference.

[itix]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-38329900-1453927989.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-60773500-1453928005.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-97130100-1453927913.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-144-0-36156500-1453927896.jpg
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12552723_544950805664190_4144089219777964756_n.jpg ?oh=e3142603d6981d02b5879848f5881dcd&oe=572CA290

These are fantastic pictures... wonder why I haven't seen them before!

[SubaruNorway]

Is 2:45 the incident where the driver was so angry because his co driver hurt his back, from pushing the car back on the road then...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5tw0ub942w

[MartijnS]

Yes.

[SubaruNorway]

Right.

[nafpaktos]

Dim i have the impression that the second picture is not in a ss,can anyone confirm?i am confused by the black marks in the tarmac of course!

[dimviii]

Ogier vs Latvala video
https://youtu.be/22agXjK6mwo