Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2016

[car]

nice double jump
https://youtu.be/15ktkGeKFhA

The Citroens sound very nice with anti-lag at the top of the hill...

[Rally Power]

Silly boy, no excuse after the incidents there during the first run...

Yep, it ruined the cool head quick learning approach he was showing, and it's a pity he won't be able to restart. Anyway, in these tricky conditions we shouldn't be very harsh, as almost everyone is having their moments...and luck can become decisive, as videos are showing (#1 is probably Evans escape with Kubica’s car help!). Above all, it makes Ogier and Meeke faultless exhibitions even more outstanding.

As Evans in WRC2, Veiby and Vaillant are now dominating WRC3 and Clio Cup. On 2nd loop, with more equal conditions, Lappi and Suninen managed to get closer to other R5's guys, but this exciting Monte will certainly bring more surprises at all competition levels.

Any photo or info on the litlle swiss 500? Great to see the Fiat Abarth badge among rally manus big players and the crew is doing really nice stage times!

[Jarek Z]

will Kubica start ?

No, first he hit a tree and then his car was hit from the back by Evans' car, which damaged the suspension. The damage is too big to repair it. It may be Kubica's last rally.

[dimviii]

The Citroens sound very nice with anti-lag at the top of the hill...

ds3 has the best antilag sound.Love it!

second half of video has some nice corners
https://youtu.be/xj-diBbAw3Y

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/WKLBz7Kur3Y

[dimviii]

Delecour sideways
https://youtu.be/CtFmQutLylw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Tanak had the biggest crash but is the one who gets to continue... Monte lucky winner !

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqJIkXCips

[dimviii]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1416

[EightGear]

Purely unlucky for Camilli I think. Hopefully he will keep his head high a bit, not really a lot to be ashamed about for his first rally in a WRC.

[PLuto]

Camilli, Kubica and Bertelli will not start tomorrow...

[PLuto]

Starting order to Leg 3 - http://rally-base.com/2016/rallye-monte-carlo-2016/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=630

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqJIkXCips

nice video,impressive smooth drive from Meeke,at all videos i ve seen.

[Bartek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqJIkXCips

At 1:53 look how deep Ogier cut the corner, he puts a lot of snow into the road

[stefanvv]

some more ice action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plRJ2ncf2qM

Meeke is driving really good indeed

[dimviii]

Éric Camilli
“But it didn’t go our way this afternoon. I really wanted to finish the rally and I think that was the problem because I was driving far too carefully – far too slowly – on a section of ice. We made the corner, but when we took the cut it dragged the car off the road and into the trees; we were really unlucky that the impact damaged the rollcage.

Team Principal, Malcolm Wilson
I have seen the on-board video and I have to say that they were extremely unlucky

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-news/fiesta-rs-wrc/mixed-emotions-on-m-sport-s-monte

[stefanvv]

At 1:53 look how deep Ogier cut the corner, he puts a lot of snow into the road

might be just cooling his tyres a bit, who knows....

[N.O.T]

The forum should start allowing video embedding, it is annoying to click on links all the time.

[EightGear]

On tapatalk it does automatically embed them though.

[dimviii]

some more ice action - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plRJ2ncf2qM

Meeke is driving really good indeed

again at 1,50 Meeke has the cleanest pass through the icy ''S''

[dimviii]

might be just cooling his tyres a bit, who knows....

No he has admit that he does it for purpose.

[eib1]

might be just cooling his tyres a bit, who knows....

ha haa, good one...
Ogier is a bitch in these kind of circumstances, everyone knows that

[er88]

Very unlucky for Camilli it has to be said. Its even more unlucky that he isnt able to restart tomorrow! Was impressed with him considering his little experience.

Looking at the vids, Ogier looks very aggressive which can be risky, especially at Monte. Spectacular for the fans watching nevertheless. It was a superb final stage time from him today, but i do think Meeke has him a little on edge.

Meeke looks incredibly smooth, really impressive driving. It'll be interesting to see how he copes if Ogier pulls a way a bit further though, because thats when Meeke has become frustrated in the past and binned it, realising he can't beat the VWs (ogier mostly).

Cant wait to see what happens tomorrow. What a horribly boring rally we would have had if Meeke/citroen werent here. Jari and Andreas off the pace while the new hyundai's are nowhere to be seen. Neuville just has to bring it home in these circumstances, no point even remotely pushing now.

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[stefanvv]

No he has admit that he does it for purpose.


ha haa, good one...
Ogier is a bitch in these kind of circumstances, everyone knows that

Do you really think handful of snow on this corner makes some difference?

[litifeta]

really great to see Elfyn and Kris doing so well. Obvious that the pressure was difficult for them. I think after Elfyn has a few wins to his name his confidence will return. Even if it is WRC2

[denkimi]

Starting order to Leg 3 - http://rally-base.com/2016/rallye-monte-carlo-2016/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=630

i thought that they only started in championship order on the first 2 days?

[eib1]

Do you really think handful of snow on this corner makes some difference?

i know one, who thinks, it does...

[tc10a]

The forum should start allowing video embedding, it is annoying to click on links all the time.

Especially as it was already possible in the past. Really annoying.

[tc10a]

i thought that they only started in championship order on the first 2 days?

They start all days in Championship order, except on the final day.

[stefanvv]

more fun in the snow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHhFUa4wFTQ

[EightGear]

They start all days in Championship order, except on the final day.
First two legs, Thursday stages counted for leg 1 together with todays stages.

[stefanvv]

i know one, who thinks, it does...

I know certain characters need friends vs enemies battle, that's ok for me. But anyway who would he "eventually screw up", his friends, or his "enemies"?

I rest my case.

[hype]

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-015-Jari-Matti-Latvala-Volkswagen-Polo-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-018-Kris-Meeke-Citroen-DS3-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-022-Eric-Camilli-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-032-Thierry-Neuville-Hyundai-i20-WRC.jpg

[stefanvv]

Camilli's off from closer angle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_D9ScKz3sc

[SubaruNorway]

Still no highlights today because of the onboard problems...?

[denkimi]

Camilli's off from closer angle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_D9ScKz3sc
A amateurish mistake. Cutting without necessity, just for the sake of it.

[itix]

I find the lack of daily highlights very annoying! :(
Sure it is kinda fun watching GPS dots go across the stage and see various youtube vids but... still lacking daily highlights. What's the hold up? Last stage was ended at 18 CET.

Various actual TV channels send the daily's so it ought to be ready now...

[stefanvv]

A amateurish mistake. Cutting without necessity, just for the sake of it.

any other videos of this corner of more professional drivers? just curious, You might be right

[er88]

A amateurish mistake. Cutting without necessity, just for the sake of it.
Was he cutting? Looked to me that he just got caught on the outside on the bank and couldnt get the car back in line. Eventually the lack of grip and gravity beat him

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[SubaruNorway]

Highlights finally up on WRC+ at least

[dimviii]

I find the lack of daily highlights very annoying! :(
Sure it is kinda fun watching GPS dots go across the stage and see various youtube vids but... still lacking daily highlights. What's the hold up? Last stage was ended at 18 CET.

Various actual TV channels send the daily's so it ought to be ready now...

i dont care at all.At this topic you can find videos from all highlights,crashes,mistakes,various corners for almost top crews etc .Also much faster than official site.

[stefanvv]

Was he cutting? Looked to me that he just got caught on the outside on the bank and couldnt get the car back in line. Eventually the lack of grip and gravity beat him

yes he was cutting, and seems absolutely normal there. That's why I'm asking for more videos to see how others go through this, were he speed just not enough, wrong angle, the cut is cut, nothing wrong with it. btw if there wasn't a trail by previous off, he would probably get over it, he seemed to be sucked in this trail.

Anyway I'm relatively impressed by his appearance so far, pity he won't continue tomorrow.

[itix]

Sure but I have the memory of a gold fish... And a helpful summary is always appreciated

[dimviii]

Motors tv part 1
http://videomega.tv/?ref=9oX9cZoO6oo6OoZc9Xo9

Motors tv part 2
http://videomega.tv/?ref=hIS4l14ilEEli41l4SIh

[denkimi]

Was he cutting? Looked to me that he just got caught on the outside on the bank and couldnt get the car back in line. Eventually the lack of grip and gravity beat him

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Its difficult to see, but to me it seems like he's not in the tracks that most other drivers follow. Videos of other top drivers would indeed be usefull.

[denkimi]

yes he was cutting, and seems absolutely normal there. That's why I'm asking for more videos to see how others go through this, were he speed just not enough, wrong angle, the cut is cut, nothing wrong with it. btw if there wasn't a trail by previous off, he would probably get over it, he seemed to be sucked in this trail.

Anyway I'm relatively impressed by his appearance so far, pity he won't continue tomorrow.
At the speed he was going there was absolutely no reason to cut there. Whats normal for other drivers is nog necessary needed for yourself.

I even doubt if there would ever be a reason too cut there. A fast corner, right behind a slow one is usually just flatout. Perhaps if you got the slow one wrong you might end up cutting, but that would not be intentionally.

[stefanvv]

At the speed he was going there was absolutely no reason to cut there. Whats normal for other drivers is nog necessary needed for yourself.

I even doubt if there would ever be a reason too cut there. A fast corner, right behind a slow one is usually just flatout. Perhaps if you got the slow one wrong you might end up cutting, but that would not be intentionally.

if You want to pick up speed on the straight, You should cut, otherwise end sliding and lose few seconds. May be his speed entering there was just not enough to overcome the cut.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No excuses for Camilli, he wasn't unlucky it was simple driver error and so unnecessarily. Big lesson to learn here.

[EightGear]

No excuses for Camilli, he wasn't unlucky it was simple driver error and so unnecessarily. Big lesson to learn here.
Yes, we know you're still upset Evans has been demoted. :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Daily highlights have always been up with the WRC shortly after each day... you do know these guys are pushing it and creating shows for us so we have always something to watch! Be patient guys...

Regarding coverage on TV around the world, once RBMH/WRC create the highlights, they immediately push it out to the broadcasters. It's up to your TV networks to air it at particular times!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Do we think that Ogier will be quickest first look around on Saturday because the roads will be cleaner... Meek will struggle but then Meeke will come back on the second pass in the afternoon?

[J_n_z]

Its difficult to see, but to me it seems like he's not in the tracks that most other drivers follow. Videos of other top drivers would indeed be usefull.

Reposting the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-diBbAw3Y&feature=youtu.be

If I am not mistaken, there is some action from the Camilli corner

[dimviii]

Also Maurin touched Kubicas fiesta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaG_BU0dmZU&feature=youtu.be

[Bartek]

#tyre information: all Michelin #wrc drivers with 4 Pilot Sport super Soft 5 (SS5) + 2 studs except Mikkelsen 4 studs + 2 SS5

[dimviii]

Sat 08:07 - Weather: SS9
Reports in from our WRC TV crews: Clear and dry. Temperature at the start is -2˚C. At 39km the temperature is -2˚C. Road surface is largely dry but there are patches of black ice all the way through.

[tc10a]

Latvala already 6.2 down after 6.7 km

[tc10a]

Mikkelsen losing big time on this: +14.9 at first split

[cosmin_sb]

Meeke keep close at first split +1.5

[dimviii]

Meeke + 1,5 at 1st split

[cosmin_sb]

Mikkelsen already losing 26s. Wrong tyres or other problems?

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen with studded loosing more than 2 sec/km

[tc10a]

Mikkelsen with studded loosing more than 2 sec/km

We'll see if the studded pay off in second snowy stage, but i doubt

[dimviii]

Sordo faster from Meeke

[cosmin_sb]

Sordo second at first split, only +0.9s

[Bartek]

We'll see if the studded pay off in second snowy stage, but i doubt

If my reports are correct few parts in next stage are full of snow

[dimviii]

Paul King ‏@PaulKing_11 Gap, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur

@Becsywecsy confirmed Mikkelsen using cross pattern of studs and S softs.. Studs front left, rear right (I think!!!)

[dupanton]

According to rally radio, first 14km almost full of snow and ice, only last 3km are clear.

[tc10a]

According to rally radio, first 14km almost full of snow and ice, only last 3km are clear.
I think it's the other way round. The last Kilometers are in shady downhill in the woods and there is the snow / ice as well as on the top of the col.

[cosmin_sb]

my bet: Ogier will win this stage with more 15s gap

[Bartek]

my bet: Ogier will win this stage with more 15s gap

You don't take too much risk with this bet :)

[dimviii]

We'll see if the studded pay off in second snowy stage, but i doubt

Sat 08:12 - Weather: SS10
Much more snow and ice than SS9. Some sections of full snow - especially though the ski resort.

[jonkka]

We'll see if the studded pay off in second snowy stage, but i doubt

Studs are for ice, thread pattern is for snow.

[stefanvv]

my bet: Ogier will win this stage with more 15s gap

more like ~25

[dupanton]

Sordo and Maurin stopped?

[dimviii]

Latvala gained some time between last split and finish,but 31,3 slower.

[stefanvv]

Tanak in trouble?!?

[dimviii]

Sordo stopped

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZY29QYWAAArLc-.jpg

[jonkka]

Sordo stopped


Damn... He was going very well up until that...

[J_n_z]

Shame for Sordo, but looks like Hyundai's found some speed overnight.

[Bartek]

Shame for Sordo, but looks like Hyundai's found some speed overnight.

You mean Sordo, because Thierry is on his normal level I think

[jonkka]

Meeke gained a lot between last split and finish...

[stefanvv]

You mean Sordo, because Thierry is on his normal level I think

Still faster than Latvala.... so far

[Bartek]

Still faster than Latvala.... so far

Yes but I think everybody expected a lot more from Thierry

[dimviii]

And Meeke gained about 4 sec between last split and finish from Ogier.10,6 slower though.

Dissapointed about how slow are all the other drivers....

[dimviii]

#WRC #RallyeMonteCarlo @krismeeke: "There is some snow being pulled on to the road. I did the best job I could on the road I had!"

[Bartek]

Evans losing a lot at split 4

[J_n_z]

10 sec can be simply from road position here

[EstWRC]

oh well, Dmack has a lot lot lot work to do. Tänak not satisfied at all.

[dimviii]

Sat 08:54 - SS9: Tanak
He completes 1m46s off Ogier's pace and he shakes his head when he sees the times. "Very tricky," he says. "In many places I had nothing in the notes and it was full ice."

[dimviii]

SS9 #Sordo: "We hit a bank with the rear damaged something and broke the rim. We will try to do some repairs in the road section." #WRC

[tc10a]

Kremer new leader in WRC-2

[dupanton]

Lot of drama in WRC2
Maurin stopped
Kremer went of and damaged the rear of the car, but was luckely to escape
Gilbert puncture
Giordano also off, but managed to continue without to much time loss
Suarez stopped too

[dimviii]

Kremer new leader in WRC-2

Sat 09:02 - SS9: WRC2 Kremer
"I think Evans has a puncture but we had a big moment too - a spin and impact with a pole on the rear-right. We must go and check."



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZY9veYWAAAO8ef.jpg

[dimviii]

Sat 09:10 - SS9: Sordo update
The Spaniard's Hyundai has a broken suspension arm. He and co-driver Marc Marti are trying to fix it by the roadside.

[stefanvv]

Sat 09:10 - SS9: Sordo update
The Spaniard's Hyundai has a broken suspension arm. He and co-driver Marc Marti are trying to fix it by the roadside.

Looks like he fixed it and off for ss10

[René]

In the middle of the rally, the first two drivers in 20 seconds and the third is already at 1'39''. Even if Ogier is in his garden, there are still questions that we can legitimately ask !

[RS]

Yeah, Ogier and Meeke in a class of their own.

[raybak]

Tanak 2 sec/km off Ogiers pace. How much is this the tyre? Discuss!!!!

Ray

[EstWRC]

A lot, i think at least a second of this 2 seconds or even more but we dont really know because we cant compare him with someone else. If he would run the same stage with michelins then we could compare.

[dimviii]

new photo from Camillis fiesta from different angle ,that shows plenty of damage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZGDooXEAAyW-z.jpg



Sordo trying to fix the broken arm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZGXsKWEAAtJ8Z.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZHmSyW0AAQ2To.jpg

[jonkka]

In the middle of the rally, the first two drivers in 20 seconds and the third is already at 1'39''. Even if Ogier is in his garden, there are still questions that we can legitimately ask !

And which ones are those, please?

[jonkka]

Tanak 2 sec/km off Ogiers pace. How much is this the tyre?

As I said yesterday, (practically) all of difference between Ostberg and Tanak is down to tyre.

[dimviii]

Sat 10:00 - SS10: Stage report
The road-opening zero car is through. Here's the driver's verdict: "Very difficult and completely different from the previous stage. There's a lot of snow on the downhill section."


also we have to say that this is a new stage for all.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen -2 from Ogier at 1st split.

[dimviii]

Ogier finished with 20km/h lower average from the slowest stage so far(the 55km previous with 100km/h average)

[René]

And which ones are those, please?

Why such differences?
Is that what the strategy of the teams who is involved?
Is this the regulation that promotes this situation?
is this the level of drivers who is involved?
Is this the costs which prevent the struggles more intense??

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mikkelsen is fast

[tc10a]

-43,9 for Mikkelsen

[dimviii]

Meeke slow 1st split +9,3

[Lundefaret]

Cool! Mikkelsen with great tire strategy for this stage!

[PLuto]

Cool! Mikkelsen with great tire strategy!

+- what he lost on previous stage, so it is question which strategy was better...

[tc10a]

Cool! Mikkelsen with great tire strategy!
But in Addition SS9 and SS10 it was no advantage, so wrong choice.

[stefanvv]

yeah, the tyre choice for Mikkelsen was brilliant

[dimviii]

from ss9

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-8/12525686_946490695430986_8826924993506313713_o.jpg

[jonkka]

Why such differences?


Driver has better car, he is better driver, his tyre choice is better, he has more commitment, he knows the road better.


Is that what the strategy of the teams who is involved?


Difficult to say, perhaps in some cases.


Is this the regulation that promotes this situation?


No.



is this the level of drivers who is involved?


Yes.


Is this the costs which prevent the struggles more intense??

I don't understand the question.

[J_n_z]

But in Addition SS9 and SS10 it was no advantage, so wrong choice.

Probably it was VW strategy to have cars on different tires.

[tc10a]

Mikkelsen: Of course we had the best tyres on this one. It looks like we gained some time back on that downhill section - I really pushed. Overall I'm not sure it was the right choice

[dimviii]

+- what he lost on previous stage, so it is question which strategy was better...

imho was a choice which gained time from Ogier,considering both stages (9 & 10)

[cosmin_sb]

after 2 stage today:1 Ogier 2 Meeke +20 3 Mikkelsen +29 4 Latvalla +35

[dupanton]

Mikkelsen gained time on Neuville and Latvala, both stages together, but not compared to Ogier and Meeke.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen: Of course we had the best tyres on this one. It looks like we gained some time back on that downhill section - I really pushed. Overall I'm not sure it was the right choice

if you want to see if was right choice is very easy.
Calculate the ss kms before ss 9.Find how slower from Ogier was Mikkelsen at all these kms.
Do the same for stages 9 and 10.
Imho was a good choice.

[dupanton]

Bouffier stopped on tracker

Edit: moving again

[dupanton]

if you want to see if was right choice is very easy.
Calculate the ss kms before ss 9.Find how slower from Ogier was Mikkelsen at all these kms.
Do the same for stages 9 and 10.
Imho was a good choice.

http://rally-base.com/2016/rallye-monte-carlo-2016/?leg=3

[tc10a]

If Mikkelsen himself says he is not sure if it was the right choice it tells everything...

[stefanvv]

If Mikkelsen himself says he is not sure if it was the right choice it tells everything...

he is not sure, but the times are certain

[tc10a]

he is not sure, but the times are certain

Yes certain, that it was wrong

[EstWRC]

100% sure that Tänak would be a lot faster than Ostberg if they were in the same team, very poor performance. It isnt his favourite surface but it isnt Tänak's either.

[stefanvv]

Yes certain, that it was wrong

dimviii explained it well, his lost to Ogier is less for the kms passed

[dimviii]

If Mikkelsen himself says he is not sure if it was the right choice it tells everything...

numbers are not lying.
Compare how much sec/km was loosing from Leader till stage 8.Then do the same for stages 9 and 10
smaller number wins.
So simple,whatever says Mikkelsen.

[EstWRC]

and just to confirm my guess Evans goes even faster than Ostberg.

[noel157]

100% sure that Tänak would be a lot faster than Ostberg if they were in the same team, very poor performance. It isnt his favourite surface but it isnt Tänak's either.

I think he would certainly be equal to Ostberg if not faster.

[René]

Driver has better car, he is better driver, his tyre choice is better, he has more commitment, he knows the road better.

Difficult to say, perhaps in some cases.

No.

Yes.

I don't understand the question.

Thanks for your answer. About the last question, my thought is that the very high cost of this sport is can be at the origin of choice to be at the arrival for some championship points but not to break the car?

[dupanton]

Suarez passed Giordano, hitting him, and still 6th fastest, only 0,7s off Meeke's time!
Suarez showing his talent!

Giordano not really happy :p

[jonkka]

Thanks for your answer. About the last question, my thought is that the very high cost of this sport is can be at the origin of choice to be at the arrival for some championship points but not to break the car?

That logic most certainly applies to final day or two if differences are so large that it's next to impossible to gain places by trying like a mad man. In those situations teams instruct their drivers just to reach finish.

This is nothing new, however. Richard Burns immortalized such tactics in 2001 when he became champion with just one win against three drivers with three wins. Consistency is the key, never throw away points that you're sure to gain over points that you're very unlikely to get by risking it all.

[dimviii]

Giordano Quentin - Sarreaud Valentin "Suarez is crazy, he hit me under braking and pushed me off the stage. My codriver has a pain in the back now."

[raybak]

Crowd funding to get Evans back in the main game

[cosmin_sb]

78 drivers have finished the long stage from 81

[makinen_fan]

Do we know what tyres Evans and Suarez had for SS10?

[dimviii]

watch Suarez time,some 16,3 faster from Evans.
Malcolm dont like this.

[car]

78 drivers have finished the long stage from 81

What do you mean 'the long stage'?

[dimviii]

Do we know what tyres Evans and Suarez had for SS10?

Suarez must be on nails 99,99999999%

[cosmin_sb]

What do you mean 'the long stage'?
the stage 9 which is 51km long

[noel157]

Giordano Quentin - Sarreaud Valentin "Suarez is crazy, he hit me under braking and pushed me off the stage. My codriver has a pain in the back now."

Onboard should be interesting....

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZUS-lXEAAUGol.jpg:large

[René]

That logic most certainly applies to final day or two if differences are so large that it's next to impossible to gain places by trying like a mad man. In those situations teams instruct their drivers just to reach finish.

This is nothing new, however. Richard Burns immortalized such tactics in 2001 when he became champion with just one win against three drivers with three wins. Consistency is the key, never throw away points that you're sure to gain over points that you're very unlikely to get by risking it all.

Yes on the last day, I concede you that jonkka, and this doesn't offends me, but when J M Latvala, to the arrival of the second stage of the rally said: "my goal is the top 5 for this rally", this is only the first day... And Jari Matti is a great driver with the best car and not a rookie in a poor team.

[dimviii]

very good rally till now for Veiby and Bonato.

[stefanvv]

but when J M Latvala, to the arrival of the second stage of the rally said: "my goal is the top 5 for this rally", this is only the first day... And Jari Matti is a great driver with the best car and not a rookie in a poor team.

He knows very well can't beat Ogier here, behind his words he probably means "podium would be great result for me here".

[PLuto]

Suarez passed Giordano, hitting him, and still 6th fastest, only 0,7s off Meeke's time!
Suarez showing his talent!

Giordano not really happy :p

I think it was more about tyres than talent...

[PLuto]

watch Suarez time,some 16,3 faster from Evans.
Malcolm dont like this.

This is nothing. Usual tyre gamble on Monte, this time says nothing. And I am sure that Malcolm is calm about it too.

[jonkka]

Yes on the last day, I concede you that jonkka, and this doesn't offends me, but when J M Latvala, to the arrival of the second stage of the rally said: "my goal is the top 5 for this rally", this is only the first day... And Jari Matti is a great driver with the best car and not a rookie in a poor team.

History shows that JML has one 2nd place, one 5th place, one 12th, one 40th place and four retirements from past ten WRC editions of MC. That record doesn't make him a likely winner in this very specialized rally so he's clever by not trying too much.

[Bartek]

Now they will take tyres for all 3 stages, no tyre changing before Sisteron?

[René]

History shows that JML has one 2nd place, one 5th place, one 12th, one 40th place and four retirements from past ten WRC editions of MC. That record doesn't make him a likely winner in this very specialized rally so he's clever by not trying too much.

Concerning JML I think that you shalt be in agreement with me that the problem is not his ability of driver, but his mental. And his record would be much better on this rally, but also in a general way if he believed in a little bit more in his skills. You know perfectly that you can't win any race in any sport if you don't exceed thee even. It is a pity

[spark13]

Why such differences?
Is that what the strategy of the teams who is involved?
Is this the regulation that promotes this situation?
is this the level of drivers who is involved?
Is this the costs which prevent the struggles more intense??

I think the answer to all this questions is Rally Monte gamble Carlo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can't wait for the onboards of SS10 and seeing real Monte conditions. Big time gains and losses with tyre choice are such a part of this rally history.

[tc10a]

Now they will take tyres for all 3 stages, no tyre changing before Sisteron?

No, there is a Tyre Fitting Zone before Sisteron

[stefanvv]

Concerning JML I think that you shalt be in agreement with me that the problem is not his ability of driver, but his mental. And his record would be much better on this rally, but also in a general way if he believed in a little bit more in his skills. You know perfectly that you can't win any race in any sport if you don't exceed thee even. It is a pity

In MC it is pure driving/pace notes problem

[René]

Sordo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH309H1vkJE

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20160122-2448-low-2016-WRC-01-HEM2-8767.jpg

[dimviii]

This is nothing. Usual tyre gamble on Monte, this time says nothing. And I am sure that Malcolm is calm about it too.

i said that he didnt like it because,If you see the twitter from Msport,as Evans passed the flying they typed that their new fiesta evo r5 was faster than 3-4 wrc cars. Soon Suarez was much faster from Evans.

[makinen_fan]

i said that he didnt like it because,If you see the twitter from Msport,as Evans passed the flying they typed that their new fiesta evo r5 was faster than 3-4 wrc cars. Soon Suarez was much faster from Evans.

And they didn't mention he was faster than Ostberg :rotflmao:

[dimviii]

Serderidis crash
https://youtu.be/NgEswd3_IFE

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZlUfHWAAEBec0.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Camilli at the time he crashed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZmbnDWEAAKdG0.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen clip on tyre gamble

https://twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally/status/690845163653054464

[EstWRC]

Really getting sick of the radio commentators praising Evans...Will be brought back to earth on next rallies and what Evans does here is what exactly is expected from him.

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre information 1/2
Citreon/Ogier/Latvala/Bouffier : 4 Pilot Sport Super Soft 5 (SS5) + 2 Studs
Neuville: 2 SS5 + 2 Pilot Alpin + 2 studs

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really getting sick of the radio commentators praising Evans...Will be brought back to earth on next rallies and what Evans does here is what exactly is expected from him.

I'm sick of WRC Radio full stop. Cant stand it and just put it on as drivers reach the stage end to hear their interviews.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS11 Meeke fastest at Split 2 ! :)

[jonkka]

I'm sick of WRC Radio full stop.

I am glad I am not the only one. :D

[dupanton]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre information 1/2
Citreon/Ogier/Latvala/Bouffier : 4 Pilot Sport Super Soft 5 (SS5) + 2 Studs
Neuville: 2 SS5 + 2 Pilot Alpin + 2 studs

Mikkelsen and Ostberg with 3 SSS, 1 Winter and 2 Studs :p

[Fast Eddie WRC]

50 years ago, Pauli Toivonen won the 1966 Rallye Monte Carlo in a Citroën DS. A good omen ? ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZiZqHWAAABeph.jpg:large

[jonkka]

50 years ago, Pauli Toivonen won the 1966 Rallye Monte Carlo in a Citroën DS. A good omen ? ;)


Only after three Minis were disqualified... So if it's omen, will they throw VW's out? :eek:

[dupanton]

Latvala lost about 20s!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala lost time now ?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZpS-pWkAAd6EC.jpg:large



Latvala some mistake at split 4->5?

[dimviii]

Ogier 17,8sec faster from 1st pass

[dimviii]

Latvala +1,50 min

[dimviii]

Meeke 3,1 sec faster at last split

[dupanton]

Latvala +1,50 min

Went of, suspension damage!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML's plan has gone pear-shaped once more ...

[dimviii]

Latvala Jari-Matti - Anttila Miikka Damage on front left.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bad time to happen - no service.

[Bartek]

Looks like JML out

[WUff1]

New Hyundais disappointing.

[dimviii]

Latvala will loose more time at next stages according to this

Sat 12:39 - SS11: Latvala
More time lost in the closing section and he completes 1m50.8s slower than Ogier. His car is sporting front left suspension damage. The wheel is wobbling and not running straight. He's not saying anything at the stop control.

[EightGear]

So, Jari messed up again. Welcome to 2016.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML off https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/690861736853897217

[smsgrafica]

Latvala off: https://twitter.com/Nuitevo/status/690861515038167040/video/1

[Duvel]

Meeke 4sec faster!

[dimviii]

video with Latvala crash.Must be same place as Suarez and Dele
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus?lang=el

[Duvel]

Cool, that fast some images off a stage that is still running!

[dimviii]

Latvala through the stage with damage video
https://twitter.com/Remmcrae/status/690861858065141760?lang=el

[EstWRC]

Tänak 20 secs faster than Sordo and just 16 secs slower than Neuville, good stage.

and Mirek you got answer why he is driving sideways with dmacks on tarmac because the tyres goes too soft :)

[gorganl2000]

well there goes latvala's "safe" strategy.

[EstWRC]

Tänak: "Better than I expected. Lots of sideways - and we enjoy that."

LOL

[focus206]

New year, old Jari-Matti... shame

[dimviii]

Sordo not happy

Sat 12:50 - SS11: Sordo
Neuville was positive. Sordo less so. "I don't think it is better. In our position we are nowhere. We try a different set-up with the tyres."

[dimviii]

Bonato again nice pace almost same as Evans

[dimviii]

Suarez Koci stopped

[René]

JML restart again

[PLuto]

JML took also one spectator after his crash

https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/videos/10153241272170404

[Francis44]

That's what you get for thinking your camera is more important than yourself.

[MartijnS]

Haha indeed. Second camera put on the ground! Dont think he is hurt too bad.

[makinen_fan]

Is the time of Andolfi correct? 1m30s faster than Veiby and 4m quicker compared to his Ss9 time

[N.O.T]

VW should get rid of Latvala and promote Mikkelsen to No2.

All these years same old story with this dog

[dimviii]

lolol


M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

Going back to SS10, check out the time from @maxvatanenrally in the Fiesta R2 - 16th quickest ahead of a number of WRC2 and WRC3 crews! #WRC

[spark13]

JML took also one spectator after his crash

https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/videos/10153241272170404

I guess he even didn't notice it over that smoke and dirt.

[PLuto]

Is the time of Andolfi correct? 1m30s faster than Veiby and 4m quicker compared to his Ss9 time

Time of Andolfi seems correct, Veiby's time is slow. Maybe it is about tyres?

[dimviii]

Haha indeed. Second camera put on the ground! Dont think he is hurt too bad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZ5KgHUkAE47Qp.jpg

[N.O.T]

lolol


M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

Going back to SS10, check out the time from @maxvatanenrally in the Fiesta R2 - 16th quickest ahead of a number of WRC2 and WRC3 crews! #WRC

Peugeot sport should reply to this with Andolfis times.

[EstWRC]

lol, that was funny

[tc10a]

JML took also one spectator after his crash

https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/videos/10153241272170404

And could cause some Trouble for Latvala. Special instructions to follow in case of accidents with spectators involved.

[Lundefaret]

VW should get rid of Latvala and promote Mikkelsen to No2.

All these years same old story with this dog

Hmmmm.... Why? That would be a strange decision.

[Lundefaret]

And could cause some Trouble for Latvala. Special instructions to follow in case of accidents with spectators involved.


Do You think he noticed?

[N.O.T]

Hmmmm.... Why? That would be a strange decision.

It is evident that Mikkelsen is more nose end first than Latvala

[makinen_fan]

Time of Andolfi seems correct, Veiby's time is slow. Maybe it is about tyres?

Veibys time is the same as with SS9 that's why I was surprised

[Bartek]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/688743999927140352

Anybody know if snow still is on Sisteron stage?

[EstWRC]

Seems police have caught Latvala? He was doing like 140km/h going to the stage, he is now standing still annd he must be starting in 4 minutes alread.

[dimviii]

Fredrik Gustavsson ‏@F_Gustavsson

The spectator is OK!
My friend @planetemarcus confirms���� #thanks #WRC

[bluuford]

Seems police have caught Latvala? He was doing like 140km/h going to the stage, he is now standing still annd he must be starting in 4 minutes alread.

It is not first time to exceed speed on such case. in poland he did 140 in town, it is good when police reacts to this, such a crazy driving is not good for the sport.

[tc10a]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/688743999927140352

Anybody know if snow still is on Sisteron stage?

The famous part with the shady hairpins down in the valley for sure.

From recce, no sun all day here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY7o-tlWkAEBvNO.jpg

[samWRC]

Seems police have caught Latvala? He was doing like 140km/h going to the stage, he is now standing still annd he must be starting in 4 minutes alread.
Lol what the hell is he doing :D

[EstWRC]

It is not first time to exceed speed on such case. in poland he did 140 in town, it is good when police reacts to this, such a crazy driving is not good for the sport.


and he didnt start the stage, must be it.

[tc10a]

One positive side for Latvala if any: in sweden he will have perfect starting position on Friday and Saturday.

[René]

JML

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU9N8_Q6_oY

[satukata]

LAPPI 2nd fastest WRC2 in last ss. Finally we see some speed..

[dupanton]

Latvala on the move again... direction Gap!

Excluded because he continued without checking with the spectator?

[samWRC]

Good split by Östberg.

[RS]

LAPPI 2nd fastest WRC2 in last ss. Finally we see some speed..

I don't call 3s/km off the pace 'speed'

[samWRC]

What a split by Neuville :D

[dupanton]

What a split by Neuville :D

2 Studs + 2 Snows!

[HaCo]

They should finally do something about these drivers going so fast after an off. In the Vineyards we see it as well and it is very dangerous.
Speeding at 140? Enter driving license and exclude from this race and next race, it will not happen again. What a dumb mentality of professional sporter.

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[Bartek]

What a split by Neuville :D

He took snow and studs

[wia5958]

Biggest question i would be asking is why were the spectators allowed on the outside of the corner. Ridiculous place to be standing

[dupanton]

Mikkelsen big moment + Meeke off and back on the road, same spot

[jonkka]

Biggest question i would be asking is why were the spectators allowed on the outside of the corner. Ridiculous place to be standing

Exactly!

[HaCo]

Mikkelsen big moment + Meeke off and back on the road, same spot
Oh my god, fingers crossed for neuville than.

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[dimviii]

Fredrik Gustavsson ‏@F_Gustavsson 5 δευτερόλεπταΠριν από 6 δευτερόλεπτα

Meeke ha been off the road but is back on the road again.. Aaaaagh!
Come on Kris

[HaCo]

Exactly!
Irrelevant for the driver. He made an error already by going off, the least you can do is stop and check.

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[tommeke_B]

Biggest question i would be asking is why were the spectators allowed on the outside of the corner. Ridiculous place to be standing
In reality it's impossible to have such a long stage and have ALL spectators to behave and be on safe places. Organizers can try their best (I have serious doubts they do in Monte), but you cannot make everything completely safe.

[jonkka]

Irrelevant for the driver. He made an error already by going off, the least you can do is stop and check.


Why? There are medical pros for that, driver has a different job to do.

[PLuto]

In reality it's impossible to have such a long stage and have ALL spectators to behave and be on safe places. Organizers can try their best (I have serious doubts they do in Monte), but you cannot make everything completely safe.

I know how is work of marshalls on Monte. Spectators can stay almost where they want (except some prestigious places).

[dimviii]

Latvala before stage

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZZ_oaXWwAEEWg2.jpg

[EightGear]

So first stage win for the new i20.

[tc10a]

Biggest question i would be asking is why were the spectators allowed on the outside of the corner. Ridiculous place to be standing


Biggest question i would be asking is why were the spectators allowed on the outside of the corner. Ridiculous place to be standing

In case of strict rules after accident involving spectators it does not matter.

From a safety Point of view all the area in the Video Looks quite 80s like. But thats probably Monte.

[PLuto]

Good tactics from Hyundai. They are quite slow all the rally, so they decided to lost SS 11 for winning SS 12. This will be good for promotion...

[René]

In reality it's impossible to have such a long stage and have ALL spectators to behave and be on safe places. Organizers can try their best (I have serious doubts they do in Monte), but you cannot make everything completely safe.

There, it is not of the responsibility of the organizers. But rather the intelligence of every spectator who visibly do not understand that position themselves to the outside of a curve that is dangerous. There is not a lack of safety, only lack of brain...

[tc10a]

Why? There are medical pros for that, driver has a different job to do.

The Drivers Job is not to give medical assistance at the place, but there are other rules that have to be followed after such an incident. Like the duty of stopping on next Radio Point and give clear Information about incident etc. to allow medical Response happen as quickly as possible if needed. etc.

We do not know if this happened. But for sure will be checked.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just back in.. what's the reason for the good times on SS12 by Hyundais and Ostberg ?

[HaCo]

Why? There are medical pros for that, driver has a different job to do.
When you hit a spectator, the job of the driver is over, these things cannot happen like that.

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