Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2016

[tommeke_B]

There, it is not of the responsibility of the organizers. But rather the intelligence of every spectator who visibly do not understand that position themselves to the outside of a curve that is dangerous. There is not a lack of safety, only lack of brain...

Problem with these kind of events is that you have A LOT of people. The more people, the more idiots there will be among them. It's the task of the organizers to inform and advise those people, and if necessary send them away to a safer place. It works in so many other events, I don't think France has more stupid people than other countries?

[dimviii]

Just back in.. what's the reason for the good times on SS12 by Hyundais and Ostberg ?

tyres.

Sat 14:14 - SS12: Meeke
He's lost 15sec to Ogier and is straight out of the car to have a look under the front-right corner. He's saying nothing and leaves straight away.

[N.O.T]

Just back in.. what's the reason for the good times on SS12 by Hyundais and Ostberg ?

tyres

[jonkka]

When you hit a spectator, the job of the driver is over

You're entitled to have that opinion.

[dimviii]

Sat 14:26 - SS12: Paddon
The Kiwi slots second fastest, in between his team-mates Neuville and Sordo. "We got the tyre choice wrong for the loop, but it was right for this stage. All good information for next year."

[PLuto]

Just back in.. what's the reason for the good times on SS12 by Hyundais and Ostberg ?

tyres

[EightGear]

Lol, Hyundai 1-2-3.

[dimviii]

Kremer with puncture lost about 1 minute.


Bonato stopped.

[PLuto]

Problem with these kind of events is that you have A LOT of people. The more people, the more idiots there will be among them. It's the task of the organizers to inform and advise those people, and if necessary send them away to a safer place. It works in so many other events, I don't think France has more stupid people than other countries?

Problem of these events is approach of marshalling. On french events, also in small one, spectators can do almost what they want. It is very similar to Spain or Italy...

[pete c]

Meeke only lost 2.3 sec to Ogier on stage 12, not 15 sec

[tommeke_B]

I think we should compare the times after the complete loop... They won something on this stage but on the previous one they lost much more. How are the conditions on Sisteron?

[COD]

Latvala, he is joke. He tries to just drive safely and can't even do that. VW should ditch him now

[Barreis]

Will Latvala start? Without him we could see different manu' leader after 1st rally (if boys from i20 can finish it)...

[dimviii]

Suarez again with 6th time overall, 20+ sec faster from Evans.

no twit from Msport this time about how many wrc Evans passed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

tyres

On 4 studded I assume ?

[skarderud]

Is latvala out or in?

[EstWRC]

in the car but out of the rally

[dimviii]

Is latvala out or in?

out

[dimviii]

Suarez again with 6th time overall, 20+ sec faster from Evans.

no twit from Msport this time about how many wrc Evans passed.

finally we have a twit lololol

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd 2 λεπτάΠριν από 2 λεπτά

Suarez is the #WRC2 man to beat in SS12 with a fantastic time, but @ElfynEvans still holds the lead which is now close to two minutes #WRC

[EstWRC]

just wanted to post that! :D

[dimviii]

Bonato Yoann - Giraudet Denis "Very difficult, I stopped in a hairpin and we lost a lot of time."

[bluuford]

So, Hyundai decided to make some publicity:) Next stage should have only couple of snowy corners and mostly warm, so, they are going to loose big time there again.. But anyway, having 1-2-3 in Monte stage is good for them ;)

[Sulland]

Latvala, he is joke. He tries to just drive safely and can't even do that. VW should ditch him now

Wait for post Sweden, MC is so specialized! I hope VW will sack him, so he can lead Toyota back to the top!

[René]

Retirement for Meeke Gearbox broken

7 GBRK. MEEKE IRLP. NAGLE ABU DHABI TOTAL WORLD RALLY TEAM
CITROEN DS3 WRC RC1 TC12A MECHANICAL

[Barreis]

Wait for post Sweden, MC is so specialized! I still hope he will lead Toyota back to the top!

You mean close to the top? Ogier is still active...

[kiil]

Argh, Meeke out :-(

[Bartek]

Fight is over...

[EstWRC]

because of the little off that he had or not?

[Bartek]

I think yes, we heard that oil was on the finish line, probably from Kris gearbox

[dimviii]

because of the little off that he had or not?

there is possibility the problem to be from off.

[René]

because of the little off that he had or not?

yes

Sat 15:01 - Meeke retires!
A shock development just outside the Tallard tyre fitting zone. Meeke was clearly bothered by something at the end of the previous stage - turns out his gearbox was broken. That's his rally over.

[RS]

So disappointed about Meeke. A great drive until then.

[Bartek]

+5 minutes or more because Sisteron is today last stage?

Ok, no Rally 2 tonight...

[rallyace]

At least Meeke showed great character and speed thus far. Rally Sweden could get really interesting if he goes flat-out. He must be hungry for more! :)

[PLuto]

So, Hyundai decided to make some publicity:) Next stage should have only couple of snowy corners and mostly warm, so, they are going to loose big time there again.. But anyway, having 1-2-3 in Monte stage is good for them ;)

After SS 12 there is tyre fitting zone.

[dimviii]

so 1-2 with vw Ogier Mikkelsen and 3 rd Neuville.......................................... ..................

[PLuto]

There is not so many cars left for tomorrow live...

[makinen_fan]

Shame for Kris, it was a nice rally by him up to now.

[EstWRC]

krismeeke.com ‏@krismeeke 2m2 minutes ago
The gearbox was working perfectly but it's been affected when we went off the stage on SS12

[GigiGalliNo1]

OK Meeke out...

Back to JML hitting a spectator...

Any news on this? Penalty?

FINE?!

[focus206]

Oh come on, I really hoped in a podium for Meeke :( Let's hope he'll keep this speed for next rounds...

[dimviii]

pitty for Meeke,because of him was an interesting rally. Nevermind,hope at next rallies can up the pace a bit.Rest crews unfortunately havent got the pace,or the will.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaVFUqWIAApki1.jpg:large



MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#Tyre information:
Hyundai/Lefebvre: 4 Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS5)
M-sport/Bouffier/VW: 2 SS5 + 2 S5 #wrc

[noel157]

Oh come on, I really hoped in a podium for Meeke :( Let's hope he'll keep this speed for next rounds...

I don't think there'll be much doubt about that.... : )

[EightGear]

What a shame...

[Sulland]

Østbergs 'depletion strategy' is starting to pay off!

[seb_sh]

Looks like the "new' relaxed and released from pressure Meeke and "new" smart driving and on the road staying Latvala lasted just 1 day, everything's back to usual.

[Franky]

Looks like the "new' relaxed and released from pressure Meeke and "new" smart driving and on the road staying Latvala lasted just 1 day, everything's back to usual.

Cheer up. Have a drink

[GigiGalliNo1]

@World posted a lovely HDR photo of Ogier helping Meeke under front of car...

[dimviii]

krismeeke.com ‏@krismeeke 9 λεπτάΠριν από 9 λεπτά

There was something in the middle of the road touched the underneath of the car n ripped off the sump guard. This also damaged the gearbox.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZab26UWcAEHPPC.jpg

[EightGear]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/23/8c2a73ce11ddc50dffe504a17f432c34.jpg

[jonkka]

Interesting - between service parks, only driver and co-driver are allowed to work on the car. Does acting as a translator/telephone link count as outside assistance?

[René]

Interesting - between service parks, only driver and co-driver are allowed to work on the car. Does acting as a translator/telephone link count as outside assistance?

Yes it was, but Only the physical interventions are prohibited

[dimviii]

Interesting - between service parks, only driver and co-driver are allowed to work on the car. Does acting as a translator/telephone link count as outside assistance?

maybe he is just looking while he is just on phone.Not helping.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Interesting - between service parks, only driver and co-driver are allowed to work on the car. Does acting as a translator/telephone link count as outside assistance?

As far as I know, no it does not count. I had a problem this year with the gas pump in our car on a National Rally, and a crew member was telling me what to do, and a official was seeing the hole scene. As long as they don't give me anything or touch the car, It's allowed.

[jonkka]

With current leaderboard, VW would hold slender lead of two points over Hyundai in manu...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaYAyTWcAAWIXN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaYAyvWQAEa9m4.jpg


cant stop laughing with this guy

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/12628500_10153740153075733_6453295619551879310_o.j pg

[jonkka]

With current leaderboard, VW would hold slender lead of two points over Hyundai in manu...

Quoting myself - as Sordo seems hellbent to overhaul Tanak, they'd be tied with 25 pts each...

[cosmin_sb]

very quickly again Neuville

[René]

Seb Ogier prepares his come back to Citroen ;) We must never insult the Future :)

[dimviii]

Finally Meeke is unlucky
video of what happened.Pitty....
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3o0jt5_image-d-ci-tv-kris-meeke-arrache-son-protege-carter_tv

strange that nobody moved it from the road,with so many sectators.

[smsgrafica]

Neuville gained 17.5" compared to Mikkelsen

[rallyace]

cant stop laughing with this guy

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/12628500_10153740153075733_6453295619551879310_o.j pg

That's clearly Mads Østberg's biggest fan in the banana costume in the left corner... :D

[denkimi]

Finally Meeke is unlucky
video of what happened.Pitty....
http://www.dici.fr/actu/2016/01/23/rallye-monte-carlo-abandon-de-kris-meeke-images-d-tv-698731

strange that nobody moved it from the road,with so many sectators.

that's a pretty shitty sump guard. the whole point of it is to prevent things from doing damage to the car.

[GigiGalliNo1]

What happened to Meeke:

http://www.dici.fr/actu/2016/01/23/rallye-monte-carlo-abandon-de-kris-meeke-images-d-tv-698731

[dupanton]

The Hyundai's finally on the pace, great time by Neuville, really curious if he can pass Mikkelsen tomorrow :)

[EightGear]

Wrong place at the wrong time for Meeke, really a shame. I hope he will do a lot of events this year.

Sordo almost caught Tanak already on this stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

:(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/meeke_zpsf0qa7lms.jpg~original

[RS]

Oh, that's hardly Meeke's fault.

[RS]

Østbergs 'depletion strategy' is starting to pay off!

It's not a strategy, he's just slow.

[EightGear]

Neuville can still get 2nd, not far from Mikkelsen now.

[EstWRC]

Yessssss, Tänak stayed in front of Sordo but tomorrow he will be caught even before the first split, lol. Sometimes little things make you happy :)

[dimviii]

The Hyundai's finally on the pace, great time by Neuville, really curious if he can pass Mikkelsen tomorrow :)

there is no pace from Hyundais.Imho i dont see any improvement from previous model.
As Ogier and Meeke pushed they were far from pace.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaiZq1WkAA7Ckc.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaiZq8WEAEBfQr.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZaiZyQWQAAckl3.jpg

[kookie]

Bouffier out? Hit rear left but came to the end of SS13 with lots of damage...

[dimviii]

that's a pretty shitty sump guard. the whole point of it is to prevent things from doing damage to the car.
of course its not shitty.
Its not first time, a sump guard fails at a strong crash.

[kookie]

Bouffier

Will he get it fixed @Becsywecsy
856

[er88]

Why didnt anyone move whatever it was...?? Very unlucky for Meeke

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

Bouffier trying to fix the wheel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZajgAXW0AEU4ti.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Østbergs 'depletion strategy' is starting to pay off!

That's what he does and it gets results ie. Championship points. It's exactly why M-Sport re-hired him.

[Simmi]

Even more gutted for Meeke seeing that rock. No driver error this time. He wasn't even over-doing it with the cut.

[WUff1]

Why didnt anyone move whatever it was...?? Very unlucky for Meeke

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

Maybe it was there by intention ...

Doesn´t look too good for Bouffier, too, with more than 100 km road section.

[Negaiss]

They should make those steereing arms, antirol bars, suspension sticks or whatever and wheel rims out of somewhat hardened rubber and many stupid mistake makers would be able to get out only with a scare, not a car wreck.

[dimviii]

Sat 16:40 - SS13: Bouffier
The rear-left suspension arm is broken. He and co-driver Victor Bellotto are trying to hold it together with ratchet-straps. No Rally 2 for tomorrow remember - so we have another Monte-Carlo or bust situation...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZam5BGWwAAcVD6.jpg

[René]

This is a rally of the accountants

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Onboards now up of SS10 on WRC+ ... scary conditions on the icy downhill ! :disturb:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZak6ULWQAAQ93P.jpg:large

[rp]

Why didnt anyone move whatever it was...?? Very unlucky for Meeke

It´s France! Of course they want that Seb Ogier will win. Not the first time, but was also very bad luck for Meeke...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It will be interesting to watch the onboards and see when that rock appeared ...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala & Meeke out - both will not restart tomorrow as there is no Rally 2 service facility ahead of the final leg. :(

[eib1]

how much time Bouffier has?

[dimviii]

Sat 16:55 - Bouffier update
He's on the move and heading to Monaco thanks to some deft work with a ratchet-strap. Ahead is a journey of 183km, so keep your fingers crossed.

[EstWRC]

He is not moving again, about 10 minutes already. DNF for sure, the distance is too long

[EightGear]

Another place for Sordo then, when he catches Tanak tomorrow Hyundai could lead the manufacturers standings.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Starting orderves for final day? :D

[EstWRC]

Started to move again but only 60km/h

[EstWRC]

Starting orderves for final day? :D

daaa, reversed top10

[René]

Kris Meeke driving !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/12593755_805872699538626_2997868972489963152_o.jpg



a nice video with finally some fast sections
https://youtu.be/03q0y8wqZKA

[noel157]

Meeke's rock, right in front of spectators and nobody moved it (quick enough to get the underguard).
So unfair.
Wonder how the rock got there in the first place.....

[EstWRC]

Bouffier moved but stopped again now.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Daaaaaaaa I thought some rules changed..... Will round two be first days Champ order, final day reverse order?

[Morte66]

Paddon is currently in position 32, behind 20+ RC2 and RC3 cars. Does anyone know if he had an incident, or has he just been taking it slow to learn the rally?

[Hello. Since I'm new here, I wanted to say thanks to all the people uploading photos and video links.]

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12525625_888469491252121_1376625632307207316_o.jpg

[dimviii]

Paddon is currently in position 32, behind 20+ RC2 and RC3 cars. Does anyone know if he had an incident, or has he just been taking it slow to learn the rally?

[Hello. Since I'm new here, I wanted to say thanks to all the people uploading photos and video links.]

he had retired at day 1 and get some penalty time.

Welcome!

[spark13]

Paddon is currently in position 32, behind 20+ RC2 and RC3 cars. Does anyone know if he had an incident, or has he just been taking it slow to learn the rally?

[Hello. Since I'm new here, I wanted to say thanks to all the people uploading photos and video links.]

He smashed his rear wheel.

[RS]

Bravo to Ogier for his words after SS13.

[noel157]

Bravo to Ogier for his words after SS13.

Having rest from RR, what did he say?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From BORL re Meeke

'On SS12, however, his DS3 WRC left the road at a narrow junction and the impact punched a hole in the gearbox, causing the Abu Dhabi Total WRT driver to exit the event.'

'Left the road' ? No mention of a rock ? Poor reporting that !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice day 3 vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YECBaT03GY&app=desktop

[RS]

Having rest from RR, what did he say?

"It's a shame for Kris. He deserves better than that. It would have been better to carry on - it was an exciting fight. Well done to him. Now it is a different race for me - just to get to the end."

[noel157]

Thanks RS.

[dimviii]

Nice day 3 vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YECBaT03GY&app=desktop

watch at 0,20 Meeke and at 0,42 Ogier at same corners.Meeke was faster ,smoother no cutting and without braking at all.
Ok its just 2 corners,but Meeke was impressive at all videos we ve seen so far.

[denkimi]

They should make those steereing arms, antirol bars, suspension sticks or whatever and wheel rims out of somewhat hardened rubber and many stupid mistake makers would be able to get out only with a scare, not a car wreck.
You cant make parts that control the weel from stuff that allows movement. That would make the car undriveable.

They could however design it so that not the suspension itself breaks, but the bolts holding it in place. That would be far more easy to repair.

But i guess there must be a reason why they don't do that.

[eib1]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 16s16 seconds ago
Bouffier in trouble on the road section to Monte Carlo. Approximately 20kms from stage, still trying

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZa4E5pWkAQYpR-.jpg

[N.O.T]

pity for Meeke, he did not deserve this, but it is better for the championship fight.

[WUff1]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 16s16 seconds ago
Bouffier in trouble on the road section to Monte Carlo. Approximately 20kms from stage, still trying

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZa4E5pWkAQYpR-.jpg

Looks like retiring.

[dimviii]

leg 3 from borl
https://youtu.be/PKLbh5dsb_M


photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Meanwhile in SS1 live stage coverage at 7:50 onwards..:p
Neuville: This game (WRC 5) sucks..
Paddon: I rather playing RBR & DR than this rubbish..

[Bartek]

Confirmation: B. BOUFFIER FRAV. BELLOTTO M-SPORT WORLD RALLY TEAM
FORD FIESTA WRC RC1 TC13A MECHANICAL

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIuKJeTBkMc

[dimviii]

Ostberg nice pass
https://youtu.be/Zz6je7piaXI



photos
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1416


Meeke talk
http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2016-01-23-kris-forced-out-of-monte

[Mirek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIuKJeTBkMc

The accident of Kremer was quite scary with the power line falling on the ground between spectators...

[stefanvv]

not enough mud & snow for Ostberg? He feels at home there - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQoxGrxOns

[stefanvv]

Ogier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkho8YyTAww

[denkimi]

Ostberg nice pass
https://youtu.be/Zz6je7piaXI


those spectators are insane. if anything where to happen there, there would be many, many deaths.

[tommeke_B]

those spectators are insane. if anything where to happen there, there would be many, many deaths.

I think they're farther away from the road than it looks on the video. Anyway you can see the green taping, it's a spectator area. On such place you cannot blame the spectators (of who many are unaware of the risks, especially on public areas) for being dangerous, but only the organizers...

[stefanvv]

Some really good passes, D-Mack tyres are really not working well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqoIwn9tVY

[stefanvv]

Paddon & Sordo mistakes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGhigQDfbZ8

[bassist]

I think they're farther away from the road than it looks on the video. Anyway you can see the green taping, it's a spectator area. On such place you cannot blame the spectators (of who many are unaware of the risks, especially on public areas) for being dangerous, but only the organizers...

Oh, right, it`s `Green`, so if the organisers say we are ok here then we stand here, we can blame them when there is an accident! Priceless!

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/grr_img_3925.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/grr_img_3920.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/nmi_img_1494.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2016/nmi_img_1542.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/51/73/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_117_517358_56a28b4c8.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/51/72/Rallye_Monte_Carlo_2016_100_517204_56a28b1db.jpg

[Eli]

Latvala & Meeke out - both will not restart tomorrow as there is no Rally 2 service facility ahead of the final leg. :(

Unlike :(

[Barreis]

Is there still the same rule that final leg can start only first 60 crews?

[noel157]

Is there still the same rule that final leg can start only first 60 crews?

Oui.

[Nornbugger]

pity for Meeke, he did not deserve this, but it is better for the championship fight.

There is no championship fight

Gutted for Meeke, deserved better, shame on the spectators at that corner.

[MartijnS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZbH2HHWYAAAaGT.jpg:large

[noel157]

SS12 was an adventurous stage for Meeke (at least I think it is Meeke):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8

[stefanvv]

its a pity for Meeke, quite unfortunate indeed. I really see some progress in his driving, was really impressed in the tricky and slippery places and his determination.
Strange what happened to Latvala as well. He was really playing the "safe game", just watched the onboard on SS10 and he was quite cautious there, probably just a pace note problem, anyway lets hope they both put this behind and go on....

[stefanvv]

Another Paddon spin at ss10 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wldU15a3zPg

Another Kremer vs electric pole round - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4KUufq7fk

This should be from ss10, watch Ogier & Mikkelsen speed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNbEv2T9jk

[hype]

Nice day, perfect weather :)

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-033-Dani-Sordo-Hyundai-i20-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-035-Bryan-Bouffier-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC.jpg

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-2/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-2-025-Sebastien-Ogier-Volkswagen-Polo-WRC.jpg

[stefanvv]

Fun in the snow today - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDUEGRfEWTo

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/Dudc9DElqcE

[dimviii]

Rally Monte-Carlo: Latvala didn’t realise he had struck spectator
Jari-Matti Latvala has stressed he was not aware he had made contact with a spectator following the crash that ultimately eliminated him from the Monte Carlo Rally.

The Finn was running in a comfortable third position when he ran wide at a right-hand turn during SS11, dropping the Polo's left-rear into a water gully, which then dragged the left-side of the car into the ditch too.

With the Polo hitting a mound of earth, enough to damage the suspension, the impact forced the car into the adjacent field, where Latvala struck a spectator who was retrieving his camera from the ground to prevent it from being run over.

With Latvala carrying on to finish the stage at touring pace, subsequent repairs to his Polo's suspension on the following road section were to no avail, forcing him out of the rally with no opportunity to restart on the fourth and final day of action.

Latvala, however, was more concerned about his incident with the spectator, insisting the steam and mud from the off itself, coupled to the low speed impact, meant he wasn't even aware he had struck anyone until the team told him.

“I would first like to stress that I am very sorry about what happened today. We came off the very slippery road after a right turn, skidded into a ditch and came out in a field. My visibility was hampered briefly by thick steam from the engine and mud that had sprayed up from the ditch.

“I saw a spectator jump to the side and drove slowly back to the road. The team contacted me after the stage and informed me that I had touched a spectator. As I said, I am very sorry about the whole incident."

VW says it has received no information to suggest the spectator isn't but unhurt by the impact.

Read more at http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/226238/1/latvala-didnt-realise-he-had-struck-spectator.html#PzpuqWTCBp3wTrHo.99

[bluuford]

SS12 was an adventurous stage for Meeke (at least I think it is Meeke):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8
If I understood correctly, then Meeke lost sumpquard on that unfortunate incident and gearbox broke during tha second incident because there was no more sumpquard.?

[dimviii]

Bouffier high speed crash
https://www.facebook.com/marco.altomiri/videos/1248191385197644/

[dimviii]

can you see this video? i cant
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1075325889165117&id=100000631473529

[NoFear85]

dimvii yes, its Meeke flat out

[dimviii]

dimvii yes, its Meeke flat out

http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/frown.gif

[stefanvv]

Last stages recap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC3ctGe4-cY - Latvala end onboard.


If I understood correctly, then Meeke lost sumpquard on that unfortunate incident and gearbox broke during tha second incident because there was no more sumpquard.?

May be You're right, in the video it's clear the car jumped hard on the way to the road.

[dimviii]

can you see this video? i cant
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1075325889165117&id=100000631473529

from this link i can see it
https://www.facebook.com/thomas.paperini/videos/1075325889165117/


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZbvLR9WAAAGf89.jpg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/ifEN9DO3Lys

[dimviii]

If I understood correctly, then Meeke lost sumpquard on that unfortunate incident and gearbox broke during tha second incident because there was no more sumpquard.?

no the gearbox damaged from the stone who ripped the sumpguard.

[hype]

Bouffier a bit too fast

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-3/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-3-008-Bryan-Bouffier-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC.jpg

Mikkelsen

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-rallye-monte-carlo-2016-3/WRC-Rally-Monte-Carlo-2016-3-020-Andreas-Mikkelsen-Volkswagen-Polo-WRC.jpg

[dimviii]

Adolfi flat out
https://youtu.be/7T5NhhQJYe8


Bouffier trying to fix it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZcA1uAXEAUes1x.jpg:large

[Barreis]

Watched coverage on MotorsTV tonight, it seems they'll never change onboard camera angle (to behind driver)...

[janvanvurpa]

Oh, right, it`s `Green`, so if the organisers say we are ok here then we stand here, we can blame them when there is an accident! Priceless!

Oh come on he said its the Green Tape...ferphuquessake..Not the yeallow tape THE GREEN TAPE

What could possibly go wrong?:rolleyes:

[MartijnS]

Big moment for Lefebvre and some spectators!

http://youtu.be/wQq15B9ALVU

[stefanvv]

Big moment for Lefebvre and some spectators!

http://youtu.be/wQq15B9ALVU

Just another wrong place to stand

[bowie]

Big moment for Lefebvre and some spectators!

http://youtu.be/wQq15B9ALVU

Crazy place to stand !

[Mirek]

How long can ACM be so lucky? Such close calls happen several times per every edition...

[itix]

They should make those steereing arms, antirol bars, suspension sticks or whatever and wheel rims out of somewhat hardened rubber and many stupid mistake makers would be able to get out only with a scare, not a car wreck.

I hope you are not serious?
If so you have an appalling understanding of mechanics! hahaha.

[N.O.T]

They should make those steereing arms, antirol bars, suspension sticks or whatever and wheel rims out of somewhat hardened rubber and many stupid mistake makers would be able to get out only with a scare, not a car wreck.

http://i.imgur.com/Zsd7YL8.jpg

[bluuford]

no the gearbox damaged from the stone who ripped the sumpguard.

OK, I was just wondering that they made a mistake in day coverage again.,. because this stage was clear without snow) at the beginning (it was just wet and mud when he lost sumpguard) and when he had this impact, coming back on the road, it was snowy, the second part of the stage.

[tommeke_B]

Oh, right, it`s `Green`, so if the organisers say we are ok here then we stand here, we can blame them when there is an accident! Priceless!

So you think an organizer can assume that every spectator will take care of his own safety, that there are no people without knowledge, people who are just stupid, people who are drunk etc.? In France spectating a rally is for free, which makes it much more accessible and interesting for locals, it's not like in WRGB where local people who are not very interested are kept away by huge entry fees. You have to keep in mind that most of the people who watch a rally cannot estimate the danger so well, a lot of occasional and new spectators. So yes, when an accident happens on a spectator area, and spectators are on a place that's marked as safe by the organizers, the organizers are responsible for it, 100%. So yes, you can blame the organizers when there is an accident, how funny is that... Outside the public areas designated by the organizers it's a completely different story of course.

[bassist]

So you think an organizer can assume that every spectator will take care of his own safety, that there are no people without knowledge, people who are just stupid, people who are drunk etc.? In France spectating a rally is for free, which makes it much more accessible and interesting for locals, it's not like in WRGB where local people who are not very interested are kept away by huge entry fees. You have to keep in mind that most of the people who watch a rally cannot estimate the danger so well, a lot of occasional and new spectators. So yes, when an accident happens on a spectator area, and spectators are on a place that's marked as safe by the organizers, the organizers are responsible for it, 100%. So yes, you can blame the organizers when there is an accident, how funny is that... Outside the public areas designated by the organizers it's a completely different story of course.

With respect your missing the point. The organisers got it wrong,the area featured should never have been designated as a spectator area. Individuals have a duty of care to themselves, and common sense is surely at the heart of the arguement here. No matter what may be `officially` designated if it`s unsafe. it`s unsafe. There is enough footage available from the past years tradgedies to illustrate this point. The only issue threatening the Sport of Rallying at all levels is even more tragic accidents as a result of spectating. Whether it`s free or not is immaterial, when are people going to realise that our sport is NOT spectator freindly!!

[MartijnS]

Big moment for Mikkelsen!

https://www.facebook.com/francesco.sassi.9/videos/10205665324648275/

Incredible how much narrow escapes there have been this rally and that every moment has been captured and put online in no-time haha.

[Rally Power]

OK, I was just wondering that they made a mistake in day coverage again.,. because this stage was clear without snow) at the beginning (it was just wet and mud when he lost sumpguard) and when he had this impact, coming back on the road, it was snowy, the second part of the stage.

I think it was the other way around:

1st incident (off in the snow part at the middle of the ss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVjSv3d9n8

2nd incident (contact with stone near the ss end)
http://www.dici.fr/actu/2016/01/23/rallye-monte-carlo-abandon-de-kris-meeke-images-d-tv-698731

According to spectators, the stone was a piece of the bedrock that came out after the first loop and the guys before Meeke managed to avoid it. Maybe after the first incident Meeke came under stress and loose full concentration, but it’s a shame to end such a fine exhibition this way. It came clear that he’s the only guy able to match Ogier. Hope Matton can extend his WRC program!

On a more positive note, it was nice to see the i20’s showing more potencial, Lappi and Suninen closer to the other R5’s guys (their start positions were a bad joke) and the consistency of Evans and Veiby.

Btw, Burri Jr. is now leading Clio Cup final ahead of Rossetti, after Vaillant’s difficult morning (the winner gets six WRC3 events in a Clio).

[Rally Power]

So you think an organizer can assume that every spectator will take care of his own safety, that there are no people without knowledge, people who are just stupid, people who are drunk etc.?

For sure MC organizers can’t watch every single spectator, but you must admit that this event crowd's control seems to be very poor. Latvala’s incident wasn’t in a remote mountain location; it was near a little village with easy access. Marshalls and Police should be there leading people to safe places (specially after the offs of Delecour and Suarez on the first loop).

In other areas we see ‘no public’ signs but no one respecting them. It can be funny to see guys using Elephants or Bananas costumes, but an uncontrolled car won’t stop because there’s a nice atmosphere around…

I really thought FIA was taking spectator’s security seriously, after last year tragic accident in that Spanish regional rally, but it seems they’re only good on the bla, bla, bla!

[Negaiss]

I hope you are not serious?
If so you have an appalling understanding of mechanics! hahaha.

Of course I am not serious.

[GigiGalliNo1]

JML Suspended from One (1) WRC round in 2016 and fined for hitting spectator during Rally MC

[karl59]

JML Suspended from One (1) WRC round in 2016 and fined for hitting spectator during Rally MC

And this spectator has to be fined with life long arrest because of putting his camera in dangerous places and then risking his life by trying to save his stupid camera???

We really live in strange times!

[rallyace]

And this spectator has to be fined with life long arrest because of putting his camera in dangerous places and then risking his life by trying to save his stupid camera???

We really live in strange times!

Absolutely. The spectator almost quite litterally threw himself towards a moving rally car that had gone off and hence was really unpredictable in that moment, yet it's JML to suffer these (quite drastic) consequences.

As a result of the incredibly poor work of ACM regarding their "safe" zones and the work of marshals (that really aren't anywhere to be seen, huh?), JML now suffers. What a display of logical thinking and sportsmanship, eh?

[dimviii]

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre information
Lefebvre/Hyundai/Ostberg/Evans 5 Pilot Sport Soft 5 (S5)
Ogier 3SS5 + 2S5
Mikkelsen 4 SS5 +2S5
#wrc #rallyemontecarlo



Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Morning rally friends from the 1st stage of the last day in Monte. Beautiful clear sky, +3 and totally dry on stage

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/n2MefThsr4w

[NoFear85]

http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-61.pdf

[tc10a]

JML Suspended from One (1) WRC round in 2016 and fined for hitting spectator during Rally MC

JML is not fined for hitting the spectator, that can happen.
He is fined for not handling the issues according to the rules! As it was already expected after the incident yesterday!


Stewards decision: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-6.pdf

[dimviii]

Neuville was very close to the tree at same place where Kubica crashed
https://youtu.be/_6OLRjBtzWs

[tc10a]

Very nice pictures from the live stage. Well done

[tc10a]

More on latvala case: http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122575/latvala-given-suspended-ban

[jonkka]

Stewards decision: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-6.pdf

So it's suspended sentence, comes into effect only if offence is repeated this year.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/IsLGLQc3IA0

[karl59]

JML is not fined for hitting the spectator, that can happen.
He is fined for not handling the issues according to the rules! As it was already expected after the incident yesterday!


Stewards decision: http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/STEWARDS-DECISION-No.-6.pdf

And what should he have done to follow these rules ???

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/gQdiIDMoQtg

[rallyace]

And what should he have done to follow these rules ???

Apparently they wanted him to stop and check with the spectators - despite him not at all realizing he had hit someone...

The stewards' decision: "It is not plausible for the stewards that the crew did not even consider the possibility that they had hit a spectator." Source: http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122575/latvala-given-suspended-ban

So apparently every time there's even a remote chance of having hit someone, you should check... and I'm sure the decision would be absolutely the same had it been Ogier... ;)

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-533-0-40039500-1453625641.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-533-0-96633700-1453625641.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-533-0-45846200-1453625642.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-533-0-71011100-1453625643.jpg

[tc10a]

Apparently they wanted him to stop and check with the spectators - despite him not at all realizing he had hit someone...

The stewards' decision: "It is not plausible for the stewards that the crew did not even consider the possibility that they had hit a spectator." Source: http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122575/latvala-given-suspended-ban

So apparently every time there's even a remote chance of having hit someone, you should check... and I'm sure the decision would be absolutely the same had it been Ogier... ;)

Seeing the onboard from Latvala it was clearly visible that they hit the guy. But thats it. It happened - it was sanctioned according to the rules - move on.
it's a suspended sentence, comes only into effect if offence is repeated this year. So no big deal. And the fine is probably peanuts for VW / Latvala.

[rallyfiend]

Apparently they wanted him to stop and check with the spectators - despite him not at all realizing he had hit someone...

The stewards' decision: "It is not plausible for the stewards that the crew did not even consider the possibility that they had hit a spectator." Source: http://beta.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122575/latvala-given-suspended-ban

So apparently every time there's even a remote chance of having hit someone, you should check... and I'm sure the decision would be absolutely the same had it been Ogier... ;)

The chief steward is a German...

I think the point is, they're basically calling him a liar. He knew he hit someone - even softly - enough to bail up the reporter about it.

He'd already lost time going off the road, he could have at least opened his door for 5-10 secs to get the thumbs up from the spectators around him...

[jonkka]

And what should he have done to follow these rules ???

2016 WRC Sporting Regulations Article 40.4:
INCIDENT ON A SPECIAL STAGE INVOLVING A PERSON WHO IS NOT A CREW MEMBER
If a crew is involved in an accident in which a member of the public sustains physical injury, the car must stop immediately and the procedure as laid down in Art. 40.3.1 must be followed.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

I really thought FIA was taking spectator’s security seriously, after last year tragic accident in that Spanish regional rally, but it seems they’re only good on the bla, bla, bla!
Quite ironic for FIA safety traffic campaign..

[jonkka]

What FIA really should do is inspect Rally MC safety plan and it's implementation to see whether that rally has place in WRC or not. It seems that plan itself is flawed (speccies should never be allowed to line the road directly but be moved at least few meters away from it) and it's implementation sucks (seems that nobody - or very few - marshals police that NoGoZones are really respected). Just my 2c...

Just compare:
http://images.wrc.com/News/3274_Ouninpohja-Finland-2012_001_592x333.jpg?

[dimviii]

video with various passes from Meekes place where he lost his sumpguard.
https://www.facebook.com/gonerallying/videos/1635492700037526/

[stefanvv]

video with various passes from Meekes place where he lost his sumpguard.
https://www.facebook.com/gonerallying/videos/1635492700037526/

Seems Mikkelsen also hit it the same way, but nothing happened then. If Meeke had previous off, the sumpguard might be already loosen.

[WUff1]

video with various passes from Meekes place where he lost his sumpguard.
https://www.facebook.com/gonerallying/videos/1635492700037526/

Looks and sounds like the drivers before hit it too.

[Mirek]

What FIA really should do is inspect Rally MC safety plan and it's implementation to see whether that rally has place in WRC or not. It seems that plan itself is flawed (speccies should never be allowed to line the road directly but be moved at least few meters away from it) and it's implementation sucks (seems that nobody - or very few - marshals police that NoGoZones are really respected). Just my 2c...

Monte Carlo has been always one of the worst events in terms of spectator safety. They guard Turini and few other spots but they don't care about the rest of the stages. It's no different from past years. In my opinion they are just incredibly lucky that nothing serious happened.

[NoFear85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32HeMCHBCo

[dimviii]

Seems Mikkelsen also hit it the same way, but nothing happened then. If Meeke had previous off, the sumpguard might be already loosen.

sumpguards dont ripped with just an off.They need a strong bump to fall.And something like this we havent see on any video before this,neither Meeke said something like this.
Probably the stone poured from others cars hitting it.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally

Oooh, something to get excited about at the stop line. Strange alien fluids from @AMikkelsenRally's car.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZeXZw5WwAAteQk.jpg


seems like engine coolant fluid.

[dimviii]

Giordano/Suarez incident at 0,45min
https://youtu.be/3X_5oqbQKZc

[dupanton]

According to the 000 car, the stage dried out completely.
That would mean Neuville has better tyres then Mikkelsen, who thought it would be damp/wet on a lot of places.

[NoFear85]

Turini is dry?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Dry....

[dimviii]

nice video
https://youtu.be/59Ay2XlMY8g

[jonkka]

In my opinion they are just incredibly lucky that nothing serious happened.

That is right and I wonder why FIA just stands doing nothing, is Monaco AutoClub that influential - still?

[dimviii]

Saby Bruno - Serre Pascal "Some part are wet but the special is without traps, for me the better choice is super soft."

Duez Marc - "The stage is very very fast. It is dry in there, not many wet places, not enough to make any difference."

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZejhQDWQAAF0pF.jpg

[dupanton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZejhQDWQAAF0pF.jpg

This pictures says nothing... He is probably trying to remove the stone, it is after the Meeke event anyhow!

[MartijnS]

This is just after Meeke his moment. Stupid screenshot.

[dimviii]

is it real 1st split for Kremer?

[Kev Rallye]

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2eSeHCmIY

[dimviii]

Sun 11:22 - SS15: Tanak
30.2sec off Sordo's pace. "Nothing much to enjoy. We tried our best. A big job to do on these tyres before Germany."

[jarauto2]

I' m sorry to say this, but IMHO JML just shows lack of balls saying that he "was informed" that he hit a spectator instead to admit what we everybody knows that he exactly knows he hit the guy and broke the FIA rules on pourpose becouse he knew that the guy is unhurt.857

[Mirek]

Just realized the course of the Turini stage. Interesting variant, reversed 2010 IRC version. This time without snow though :(

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20160123-2655-low-2016-WRC-01-DR1-2012.jpg

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20160123-2649-low-2016-WRC-01-BK1-2368.jpg

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20160123-2639-low-2016-WRC-01-BK1-2328.jpg

[stefanvv]

Giordano/Suarez incident at 0,45min
https://youtu.be/3X_5oqbQKZc

That's hardly intentional from Suarez

[RS]

Better performance by Lappi today.

[Simmi]

I' m sorry to say this, but IMHO JML just shows lack of balls saying that he "was informed" that he hit a spectator instead to admit what we everybody knows that he exactly knows he hit the guy and broke the FIA rules on pourpose becouse he knew that the guy is unhurt.857

In life we've all had something happen and you're left in a situation of - "okay, what is the likelihood I can get away with this?" And I think Latvala probably thought he had a solid argument that might get him out of the blame. I think if that video hadn't surfaced showing the guy get flung then Latvala wouldn't have had an issue. It's just not great PR to see that sort of thing happening, even at slow speed, especially in 2016 where that video will go viral across social media.

If he had balls he'd turn around and fire back at the ACM about crowd safety - and the fact he's been put in that situation.

[cosmin_sb]

Better performance by Lappi today.
and so was yesterday. He had the best time for all RC2 cars

[noel157]

In life we've all had something happen and you're left in a situation of - "okay, what is the likelihood I can get away with this?" And I think Latvala probably thought he had a solid argument that might get him out of the blame. I think if that video hadn't surfaced showing the guy get flung then Latvala wouldn't have had an issue. It's just not great PR to see that sort of thing happening, even at slow speed, especially in 2016 where that video will go viral across social media.

If he had balls he'd turn around and fire back at the ACM about crowd safety - and the fact he's been put in that situation.

That's a poor argument. He hit a spectator, didn't have the decency to stop for a few secs to check. He mowed the guy down and drove on. You can't say "Oh, the guy shouldn't have been there (which certainly he and the others shouldn't have been) it wasn't my fault so why should I stop". It happened and he didn't seem to care if the guy had 2 broken legs or worse. That's the point. Hit and run.

[dimviii]

Better performance by Lappi today.

yes good pace when Evans and the 48 years old Kremer cruises for finish.

[Simmi]

That's a poor argument. He hit a spectator, didn't have the decency to stop for a few secs to check. He mowed the guy down and drove on. You can't say "Oh, the guy shouldn't have been there (which certainly he and the others shouldn't have been) it wasn't my fault so why should I stop". It happened and he didn't seem to care if the guy had 2 broken legs or worse. That's the point. Hit and run.

Not arguing with what you're saying - and at no point did I say Latvala did the right thing. There is however still an argument to be had about spectator safety on this event.

[noel157]

Power stage on live, Desborough sounds to be a bit ill, may talk less.....

[Morte66]

Oh FFS. WRC+ is showing the celebrity drifting session from before the rally start in their "live coverage" again.

[noel157]

Oh FFS. WRC+ is showing the celebrity drifting session from before the rally start in their "live coverage" again.

As is BT Sport. Load of bollox.... : )

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS16: Delayed - Rally organisers confirm an eight-minute delay. Paddon's new start time is 1216hrs

[RS]

Is the stage running late so that the tv can ignore the R5 cars at the end?

[Barreis]

Please can someone post a link for power stage?

[cosmin_sb]

Please can someone post a link for power stage?
http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-2-live-stream-2

[dimviii]

Sun 11:45 - SS15: Ogier
And your ambitions for the Power Stage? "I think three points will be difficult because I don't have the tyres for it. I will try. If I can get one or two points I will be happy."

[RS]

yes good pace when Evans and the 48 years old Kremer cruises for finish.

I was talking about his difference in s/km to the leaders rather than the other R5 cars, although of course the front guys are cruising now too.

WRC2 category turned out a disappointment again.

[stefanvv]

yes good pace when Evans and the 48 years old Kremer cruises for finish.

yes, but Lappi is ahead of Kremer now, so the latter might not be cruising.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I dont blame JML for not stopping as he didnt see the collision with the fan and probably didnt feel it as it was quite gentle...

'My visibility was hampered briefly by thick steam from the engine and mud that had sprayed up from the ditch.'

[noel157]

I was talking about his difference in s/km to the leaders rather than the other R5 cars, although of course the front guys are cruising now too.

WRC2 category turned out a disappointment again.

Yep, I thought we would have something better in WRC2.....

[FUNKYXXXXX]

http://cricfree.tv/bt-sport-2-live-stream-2

Doesn't play.

[dimviii]

I was talking about his difference in s/km to the leaders rather than the other R5 cars, although of course the front guys are cruising now too.

WRC2 category turned out a disappointment again.

yes but leaders also cruising,thats why suddenly hyundais seems to be fast.Big dissapointment imho the new i20.

about wrc 2 also diffapointment except Evans and Kremer.Waiting more from young French inside their terrain.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Pardon broken gearbox?

[stefanvv]

Paddon lost power?

[noel157]

Diff playing up?

[RS]

Why are we watching Paddon cruise when there are other cars on the stage?

[dimviii]

yes, but Lappi is ahead of Kremer now, so the latter might not be cruising.

Unfortunately he is cruising.

[noel157]

Doesn't play.

Fine for me in Chrome.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Drive Shaft with Paddon not well..

[noel157]

Why are we watching Paddon cruise when there are other cars on the stage?

Paddon is fastest....... : )

[cosmin_sb]

Fine for me in Chrome.
i also use google chrome to see the stage

[FUNKYXXXXX]

OK. I found it.

Thanks

[noel157]

And Desborough says Evans is beating Paddon's split.. Jez John. Please get a grip.

[dimviii]

and the twit on time

M-Sport ‏@MSportLtd

Congratulations to @ElfynEvans and @craigparry2 - an epic #WRC2 win with the #FiestaR5EVO at #RallyeMonteCarlo! #WRC

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Interview mid live stage... WTF ??

[RS]

Which stage is the actual Turini on?

[NoFear85]

SS15 - La Bollene Vesubie - Peira Cava

[stefanvv]

Neuville problem?

[AndyRAC]

Hell - the time for interviews is before the stage starts....

Neuville in trouble....