Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013

[Fly]

No split for Evans...

[stefanvv]

Ogier has technical problems :confused:

[wwbroe]

What happened with Sordo, he never finished the stage?

[stefanvv]

What happened with Sordo, he never finished the stage?

Stopped, no detailed info so far

[Juha_Koo]

What happened with Sordo, he never finished the stage?

According to Citroen Racing, went off the road. Crew OK. Possibly hit the rear right to something?


Ogier has an interesting problem, maybe the same that yesterday? What could it be as they evidently weren't able to fix it in the service...

[K2Rider]

What a shame for Sordo...

[A FONDO]

What a shame for Sordo...

At least he tried to push this time. His teammate is still the same *

[Micke_VOC]

PGA stopped. Car only runs on three cylinders... :(

The car stopped after 100 m in on SS6..... )=

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdvA5Scoz-4&feature=youtu.be&a

[A FONDO]

Magalhaes has woken up?

[GallardoGT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdvA5Scoz-4&feature=youtu.be&a
Immediately subscribed as she asked, she does a good job.

[Fly]

I would point out the Irish fellows Barrable and Cronin :up:

[Tom206wrc]

I would point out the Irish fellows Barrable and Cronin :up:


And Fisher ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

And Fisher ;)

Fisher is from Northern Ireland, not Ireland. ;)

[smsgrafica]

How come wrc.com is so bad these days? It's down again . . .

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted for Neuville - the Ford curse strikes again... :(

BTW, a reminder of live online coverage:

13/04/2013 - SS8 Loulé 1 - RTP2, between 12:10 and 13:10;

13/04/2013 - SS11 Loule 2 - RTP2, between 17:10 to 18:10:

14/04/2013 - SS13 Almodovar 1 - RTP2, between 09:05 and 10:25;

14/04/2013 - SS15 Almodovar 2 - Power Stage - RTP1 between 14:10 and 15:05

Página da RTP2 - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/rtp2/)

RTP acompanha Rali de Portugal 2013 - Novidades RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/icmblogs/rtp/novidades/?k=RTP-acompanha-Rali-de-Portugal-2013.rtp&post=44094)

Stream: SPORTV GRATIS ONLINE - RTP 2 grátis, rtp2 online (http://www.estadio.in/rtp2)[/QUOTE]

[WRC3]

Fisher is from Northern Ireland, not Ireland. ;)

Is he the son of legendary Bertie Fisher?

[MartijnS]

Immediately subscribed as she asked, she does a good job.

Yes nice. Funny those 60 sec interviews, especially Ostberg haha.
Last year Spain he jumped into our car after the Citroën party, never talked to him before, but he wanted a ride to some club and just got in the first car he found and that was ours. He didn't drink just water :D

[jbmarcus21]

Live SS8 in few minutes . watch it here Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

[Wim_Impreza]

Is he the son of legendary Bertie Fisher?

Yes, he is.

[Zeropt]

SS8 live now: Direto RTP2 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp2)

[RICARDO75]

Retirements from SS6:
Dani Sordo, Thierry Neuville, PG Andersson, Elfyn Evans, Subhan Aska, Nikita Kondrakhin, Marcos Ligato and Lorenzo Bertelli

[WRC3]

SS8 live now: Direto RTP2 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp2)

Only for Portugal?

[rallye-vid]

Use this stream: SPORTV GRATIS ONLINE EM DIRECTO - RTP 2 grátis, rtp2 online em direto! (http://www.estadiofutebol.com/rtp2)

[MartijnS]

He was wide there! :)
Great images!

[Zeropt]

Only for Portugal?

Don`t know, have you tried it?

If don`t trie the one that rallye-vid mentioned.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes, he is.

No, Bertie Fisher was his Uncle ...

[rp]

No, Bertie Fisher was his Uncle ...

The late Mark Fisher was Bertie´s son...

[Wim_Impreza]

No, Bertie Fisher was his Uncle ...

Sorry, indeed you are right. Alistair's father name is Ivan and he was a co-driver.

[Tom206wrc]

News Cronin and Fisher SS7 :confused:


Edit: oh no !!!! Both retired ??? :mad:

[stefanvv]

Wow, VW really pulled ahead on this one, good for my pickems :D

[tolis]

Fisher and Cronin retired :(
1. Bouffier
2.Chardonnet

[Mintexmemory]

Well I do my jobs this morning and find the VW domination machine in full strid when I get back to the pc! If Ogier has a problem then he is working miracles to be close to the JML time. As for JML he finally looks to be coming to terms with the Polo, just hope he doesn't over do it in the second loop trying to pressurise Seb - this is already a rally that. Mikko doesn't deserve to have handed to him on a plate! So sad that WRC2 is over as a contest

[Juha_Koo]

So, Norwegians, what's the pacenote for the corner? I have to say that I'm not 100% sure, I believe I hear Andersson reading "kort fyra vänster i veidele" ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTEERuTIfsM

[Tom206wrc]

Fisher and Cronin retired :(
1. Bouffier
2.Chardonnet


Did they crash in the same place :confused:

[noel157]

Apparently Cronin stopped and maybe blocked Fisher, Fisher still going, lost at least 15 mins.

[Mirek]

Lappi now in 3 minute lead. Pity there's no fight there anymore...

[VFTS]

Lappi now in 3 minute lead. Pity there's no fight there anymore...

Pity that PG had to retire, he was much faster than all the WRC2-drivers

[tolis]

Let's see if JML can catch Ogier!

[Juha_Koo]

Pity that PG had to retire, he was much faster than all the WRC2-drivers

Well, I'm not sure can you qualify him as "much faster" when Lappi lost on average 5,4 seconds to him in stages 1-3 (+3,3; +6,3 and +6,6).

[WUff1]

Lappi now in 3 minute lead. Pity there's no fight there anymore...

Same in WRC3, Bouffier now nearly 7 min ahead of Chardonnet.

[Mirek]

Pity that PG had to retire, he was much faster than all the WRC2-drivers

Sure the comparison would be useful for Lappi but on one hand it would be stupid to make some mistake trying to catch PG with such a huge lead in WRC2. After the zero from RMC Lappi should keep it to finish. I'm more sad about Kubica. He could have been a match...

[JRodrigues]

Let's see if JML can catch Ogier!

Let's hope he doesn't get the Multi21 message.

[mousti]

Not easy for Kubica without hydraulics no paddle shift and handbrake. So he has to shift with his bad hand.

Sent from my HTC Desire X using Tapatalk 2

[VFTS]

Well, I'm not sure can you qualify him as "much faster" when Lappi lost on average 5,4 seconds to him in stages 1-3 (+3,3; +6,3 and +6,6).

Of course he was much faster, he started late in the field and had bad road conditions. He also had to start behind gentlemandrivers in group.N-cars. Which caused dust and reduced his speed.
PG was driving a private car(RRC) and Lappi a factory-car(S2000).

[Mirek]

No, PG was driving S2000 car. This is not RRC.

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/d08653ce9fdb8a87b1eac82e09d280f6.jpg

Anyway as I tried to point out already before it's pointless discussion. The level of experience of PG is light years away of Lappi. If Lappi was faster than it would only indicate that there is something very wrong with PG or his car. Lappi is there to learn new events...

[rallyfanbelgium]

Latvala have a good day





http://www.facebook.com/bestrallyvideos

[thuGG]

Apparently Robert's car is fixed :D

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/59192_496715333720973_602669449_n.jpghttp://static.blogs.sudinfo.be/media/114/225970667.jpeg

[dimviii]

[SS9] Andreas Mikkelsen (Volkswagen) 22:49.9 - Smoke coming from the front right wheel

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier going fastest on SS9 I think.

[Rally Talent]

9 out of 9 possible stage wins for Lappi in WRC2. After SS8 he said he's using 70% of his potential. I really hope he makes it to the finish line, because he really deserves it. He is an exceptional talent.

[HarriK]

I was on stage 7 at 8km tight left corner. Only 4 spectators and all of them finnish :)
Toni Gardemaister one of us there. We saw 3-spins, nothing more. Opposite side of the hill was that river which stopped 3 of the r3t cars. Water to the engine air suction.

[vkangas]

Lappi is indeed doing a great job, you could say everything is going as planned. New event, very good speed and most definately not pushing maximum after the last event...

I have talked with other competitors and people close to him and based on that really think he has everything that is needed to keep the package together. That includes driving skills but also mental side, determination, and analytical mindset to keep improving and tackle the hard moments.

I'll hope there is no off just after saying this... :)

[AscaniaRacing]

Kikireshko is out off road. Hope he can restart tomorrow

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTHZkmXOWQ&feature=youtu.be

[arko5]

Kubica finally out :(

[eestlane]

Will the academy guys drive the long stage tomorrow?

[makinen_fan]

Will the academy guys drive the long stage tomorrow?

No, WRC-3 finishes today

[Mirek]

Kubica finally out :(

Reason, please?

[Mirek]

Prokop has broken driveshaft...

[wrc1600]

Reason, please?

Differential apparently some 700m into the stage

[WUff1]

Kościuszko lost his top-ten position in SS 10

[JRodrigues]

very poor live transmission :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At least Barrable is still going in WRC2 - an achievement with all the retirements today ! :)

[Barreis]

Citroën without Loeb is in really bad shape.

[Andre Oliveira]

Moura broke the chassis?

[faateris]

Boring....... :( No intrigue's, big differen's..... Rally could be finished today... Difficult rally with only long stages.

[wrc1600]

Boring....... :( No intrigue's, big differen's..... Rally could be finished today... Difficult rally with only long stages.

Imagine this rally without Rally2...

[Rallyper]

A few comments being doing more important things today, so I just have to comment anyway:
Lappi fast andwill be a real WRC-driver I think very soon. Hopefully. He should be this fast at this point, even though PG is faster. The time will show if he gets faster than PG. PG is a good marker becuase he is FAST!!
The Polos are at a developement phase beyond the current Fords and Citroens for sure. That´s why the other drivers chase themselves off the road.
Pontus Tidemand another coming WRC-driver winning the Junior class with almost three minutes.

[tfp]

Nice to see latvala getting setting some good ss times. But still lacking that extra something Ogier has. But a massive improvement nonetheless!

[tfp]

Imagine this rally without Rally2...

...... Imagine spectating this rally without rally 2.... But how much do we all complain about it??

[wrc1600]

...... Imagine spectating this rally without rally 2.... But how much do we all complain about it??

This is exactly what I meant, sitting by the monitor is not that frustrating.

[gravelman]

Please need help with online coverage for tonight asap !!! :( :(

[Rally Talent]

A few comments being doing more important things today, so I just have to comment anyway:
Lappi fast andwill be a real WRC-driver I think very soon. Hopefully. He should be this fast at this point, even though PG is faster. The time will show if he gets faster than PG. PG is a good marker becuase he is FAST!!
The Polos are at a developement phase beyond the current Fords and Citroens for sure. That´s why the other drivers chase themselves off the road.
Pontus Tidemand another coming WRC-driver winning the Junior class with almost three minutes.

I partially agree with you - Lappi and Tidemand are indeed the young brightest stars of rally. It will be really interesting to see how they do with full WRC setup when that day comes (well, it did for Pontus already and he showed some talent...) In the case of Lappi comparisons, however, to any driver outside the official WRC2 class are not appropriate now. We know it and he has said it also that he is not driving even close to his full potential - and that is of course what he has to do when the situation is like this. I don't know what PG's motives are for this rally and whether he is pushing really hard or not. If he can battle his way into the official WRC2 in one of the upcoming events, we probably see how he's doing against other top drivers, including Lappi.

[vkangas]

The Polos are at a developement phase beyond the current Fords and Citroens for sure. That´s why the other drivers chase themselves off
I really cant agree with that, imo putting Ogier-Latvala in any current team (except Mini) would produce about the same result. Remember what Loeb has done this season with Citroen...

[Rallyper]

I really cant agree with that, imo putting Ogier-Latvala in ant current team (except Mini) would produce about the same result. Remember what Loeb has done this season with Citroen...

Disagree, what says that JML and Ogier are the two fastest drivers except for them driving Polo at the time being? That´s the obvious reason. They have seconds here and there, especially Ogier and the others knows that. Alright we have 40% mind as well, but I´m correcting myself that cars are 60% of their pace at the moment.

[Barreis]

Hirvonen can go into retirement.

[Wim_Impreza]

Hirvonen can go into retirement.

I really don't understand why he get so much opportunities to drive in top factory teams. He did nothing by Subaru, was a lot slower than Grönholm by Ford and was beaten by Latvala in pure speed. Hirvonen only won one event last year with probably the best car.

[Barreis]

He has his wins. But not good as Ogier.

[Sardalense]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/482684_10151545164299244_1953149251_n.jpg

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_798c2bb267.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_a38f7dfc2b.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_9a3bf27763.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_66debb0c9d.jp g

More photos from DAY 2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1135)

[wrc1600]

I really don't understand why he get so much opportunities to drive in top factory teams. He did nothing by Subaru, was a lot slower than Grönholm by Ford and was beaten by Latvala in pure speed. Hirvonen only won one event last year with probably the best car.

Consistency? I guess that is more important for the team than pure speed and... crashes.

[Wim_Impreza]

Consistency? I guess that is more important for the team than pure speed and... crashes.

He is now the number 1 driver by Citroën and the team wanted him to be World Champion. Only with consistency, you can't be a World Champion in these times when cars and motobikes are very reliable. In the past, it was possible with Richard Burns (2001, 1 victory), Andrew Pitt (2001, 1 victory in World Supersport) and Emilio Alzamora (1999, 125cc Motoracing, no victory).

[stefanvv]

Hirvonen can go into retirement.

So soon? He has lot years he can do Rally.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/66796_10151434919353952_2107294951_n.jpg

[Barreis]

Two from the left are ok, other can go home.

[dimviii]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xyzine_citroen-wrc-2013-rallye-du-portugal-jour-2_auto

[dimviii]

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2013/20130082397.JPGhttp://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2013/20130082508.JPGhttp://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/portugal-2013/20130082315.JPG

[jbmarcus21]

went off Sordo & Neuville [VIDEO] .. and other news, videos Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)
;)

[Mirek]

Imagine this rally without Rally2...


...... Imagine spectating this rally without rally 2.... But how much do we all complain about it??


This is exactly what I meant, sitting by the monitor is not that frustrating.

That was discussed to death many times :) Monte Carlo was longer, not less difficult and if I'm not mistaken nobody from the top guys retired before last day. Those events require different approach where first is to finish. It can work. 95% of IRC events were without superally including IRC editions of RMC, Argentina, Sardinia, Cyprus, Corsica...

I have nothing against the option to continue but it's ridiculous when retired guys are faster than those actually competing (such as last year in Cataluya where on the long stage of leg 1 the retired were faster than 2WD). That's spitting in the face of those who don't retire. Those retired shall not be part of overall classification no matter the reason for their retirement. Another ridiculous thing is that superally is not applied for last day. Why the hell is somebody who retired in all previous days and just somehow cruised through Sunday in the overall standings while the one who did all the rally and retired just before finish not? There is absolutely no logic in that.

Would be very interesting to go through supporter championship standings from last years and delete all points given due to superally. I'm sure we would have many different champions. Then there is a question what is more important for You - if to have proper real results or half-fake competition and champions...

[PLuto]

Start list into last day - Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 - Start order - leg 3 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=300)

[jbmarcus21]

[GALLERY PHOTOS] DAY2
Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4123/3937x.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/3937x.jpg/)

[wwbroe]

Very bad first split for JML, what is happening?

[darkstar]

latvala very slow?

[darkstar]

ok, ogier too...timing mistakes or is something blocking the road? or dust???

[wwbroe]

Ogier even slower, wtf is going on? Saving tyres for the long one?

[K2Rider]

What's wrong with VW?

[darkstar]

lappi is much faster and wiegand too, then both vw. what´s going on there? wrr doesnt know whats going on either!

[stefanvv]

punctures?!?

[wwbroe]

It is bizar that both VW's are loosing so much time, rumours are going on about transmition problems for JML?

[darkstar]

i think it´s tires. they have used worn ones and in the long stage they put new ones on. now interview with jml.

[jonkka]

Transmission broken - WRR

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

In the third Split Ogier was faster than Mikko. Very strange.

[darkstar]

ok he says something´s broken with the transmission.

[wwbroe]

Ogier going better trough now, but clearly having some problems too.

[darkstar]

i think it´s tactics. ogier doesnt want to say what is broken with the car...

[dimviii]

i think it´s tactics. ogier doesnt want to say what is broken with the car...

Always when he looses time he dont speak.

[WRC3]

That was discussed to death many times :) Monte Carlo was longer, not less difficult and if I'm not mistaken nobody from the top guys retired before last day. Those events require different approach where first is to finish. It can work. 95% of IRC events were without superally including IRC editions of RMC, Argentina, Sardinia, Cyprus, Corsica...

I have nothing against the option to continue but it's ridiculous when retired guys are faster than those actually competing (such as last year in Cataluya where on the long stage of leg 1 the retired were faster than 2WD). That's spitting in the face of those who don't retire. Those retired shall not be part of overall classification no matter the reason for their retirement. Another ridiculous thing is that superally is not applied for last day. Why the hell is somebody who retired in all previous days and just somehow cruised through Sunday in the overall standings while the one who did all the rally and retired just before finish not? There is absolutely no logic in that.

Would be very interesting to go through supporter championship standings from last years and delete all points given due to superally. I'm sure we would have many different champions. Then there is a question what is more important for You - if to have proper real results or half-fake competition and champions...

Agree 100%!

I never understand why SuperRally dont exist for 3rd day retirement (penalty), when it does for first and second leg. I am sure, if its no Rally2 Regulation, crews will be more careful to finish.

[GF]

Always when he looses time he dont speak.


Even with 2wd car he is still first ......

[darkstar]

Always when he looses time he dont speak.

ok, didnt notice that yet. but if it continues like this, hirvonen will win. might be a very interesting next stage.

[WRC3]

Strange when Ogier loose 10 seconds on first 2 1/2 minutes to Lappi, but after he is going faster then Hirvonen. But we will see on long stage. Looking forward.

[dimviii]

Even with 2wd car he is still first ......
Against Mikko.If Master was present we have to count minutes.Monte style...

[SubaruNorway]

Should be live now...

SPORTV GRATIS ONLINE EM DIRECTO - RTP 2 grátis, rtp2 online em direto! (http://www.estadiofutebol.com/rtp2)

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)10λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/323345643852677120)
So both VWs look like they only have front wheel drive. Huge stresses and wear on front tyres in a massively abrasive stage

[stefanvv]

Both @SebOgier (http://www.twitter.com/SebOgier) and @JariMattiWRC (http://www.twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) losing time on SS12. We'll let you know the reasons as soon as we know them. #WRC (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=WRC)

[dimviii]

http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2013/04/14/130414102036973952.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

And yesterday saturday evening I thought suspense was over for the victory :eek:

[SubaruNorway]

anyone getting the live feed to work?

[makinen_fan]

Not for me as well :(

[wwbroe]

Seems like Ogier is having a clutch problem, it didn't work properly in the beginning of the stage and afterwards it worked again. Looks bizar to me.

[dimviii]

Not for me as well :(

not working for me also.

[Sergio Dinis]

Should be live now...

LINK

It's not working... Anyone has a working linbk to the live broadcast?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHzG8RNCAAAWTgj.jpg

[WRC3]

I think Mikkelsen is first time pushing hard!

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsens first split is very quick! Is it correct?

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[WRC3]

Mikkelsens first split is very quick! Is it correct?

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Seems no ...

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen's first split doesn't look like being correct, now not that fast.

[WRC3]

There should be first split of JML. Missing?

[wwbroe]

Bad first split for JML again.

[wwbroe]

Ogier fast on first split, seems like playing tactics before.

[wwbroe]

Jari-Matti is in big problems tough, loosing allready more then 40 secs on second split.

[WRC3]

Novikov needs 3 minutes to JML, this could be possible on that stage. Loosing 40 seconds on first 6 minutes, stage has 35 minutes ...

Ogier problems seems be fixed, so congrats!

[wwbroe]

Look at the first split of Lappi, is this correct???

[WRC3]

First split not serious, but Wiegand missing? Hope its a mistake.

At split 4, overall gap between JML and Novikov: 1:48! And still 20 minutes to go!

Edit: Split 5: Overall gap 1:29,9! JML is fighting!

Edit 2: Wiegand + 6 minutes ...

[WUff1]

Wiegand +6:41 at first split??

[WUff1]

Wiegand +6:41 at first split??

EDIT: Following cars (Barrable, Bouffier and Fuchs) obstructed by Wiegand?

[jonkka]

Sordo 2nd on road and yet only 3,9s slower than Mikko? :eek:
Ostberg 4th on road and miles faster?

[dimviii]

Sordo 2nd on road and yet only 3,9s slower than Mikko? :eek:
Ostberg 4th on road and miles faster?

we have to count that Sordo has better left tyres due to his retirement

[jonkka]

Point, yes, but still Mikko is disappointing.

[Sergio Dinis]

The best solution that I found to live broadcast: wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/livestream/

[dimviii]

Point, yes, but still Mikko is disappointing.

i have to agree unfortunately.

[tfp]

Ostbergs is fighting, just a shame he is out of contention!

[smsgrafica]

Mikko is just a quick and reliable driver, but he lacks top talent. He's good for 1 or 2 wins a year, but no more than that.

[WRC3]

The best solution that I found to live broadcast: wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/livestream/

Yes! :-) Service park with view to the big screen where Live Coverage is shown! Great!

[SubaruNorway]

Now the live feed works -.-

[wwbroe]

Ostbergs is fighting, just a shame he is out of contention!

For sure, but nobody else to blame then himself.

[makinen_fan]

The best solution that I found to live broadcast: wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/livestream/

Thx, earlier this was not working. Live coverage is actually better than the other site :p although a bit small

[WUff1]

Wiegand surpassed at least by Barrable and Bouffier - finally.

[rallye-vid]

Whats wrong with Kubica?

[A FONDO]

Finally some reliability problems for the new car.

Is it their third rally in a row with that same transmission?

[WUff1]

Whats wrong with Kubica?

When looking at the split times it seems like maybe he´s stuck in a traffic jam caused by Wiegand?

[rallye-vid]

Ok, he finished now

[wrc1600]

Agree 100%!

I never understand why SuperRally dont exist for 3rd day retirement (penalty), when it does for first and second leg. I am sure, if its no Rally2 Regulation, crews will be more careful to finish.

You can't satisfy every one, if the driver is careful like Mikko there are unhappy people about his speed, when other is fast but crashes or car is broken as a result of it there are another people not happy. When I have to spend a lot of money to go to stages Rally2 is the last thing that worries me, I want to watch as many cars as possible. Also I read some rally drivers explanation regarding Rally2, if someone retires and still is ahead of some drivers that means they are too slow and deserve to be beaten by Rally2 drivers anyway. The whole idea of Rally2 was to give spectators opportunity to see as much as possible.

[Wim_Impreza]

Also I read some rally drivers explanation regarding Rally2, if someone retires and still is ahead of some drivers that means they are too slow and deserve to be beaten by Rally2 drivers anyway.

Not agree, you can't compare the speed of a driver with a WRC car that is in Rally2 and a driver with a R1 or R2 car that is driving all the stages.

[GallardoGT]

Thx, earlier this was not working. Live coverage is actually better than the other site :p although a bit small
Perfect brunch-radio, thanks Becs and the team.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Ogier has a problem with the car then still goes 2nd fastest on the longest stage of the rally ?? Cant be so bad...

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GJjKBqrMb_c

[Coach 2]

So Ogier has a problem with the car then still goes 2nd fastest on the longest stage of the rally ?? Cant be so bad...

Had a problem, Oestberg have better tyres, less stages done.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quick re-cap Day 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYcCs8Z3_2w

[stefanvv]

So Ogier has a problem with the car then still goes 2nd fastest on the longest stage of the rally ?? Cant be so bad...

Looks like this was lurking since friday. Polo appears to be strong machine as Latvala also managed to the service.

[WRC3]

For the final stages, Ostberg has the chance to beat Al-Qassimi and Lappi, so he should finish 9th overall, score points with that crash on first leg (+ probably power stage points). All other positions should be fixed, also in WRC2 and WRC3. Power stage: 1 JML, 2 Ostberg, 3 Ogier. Thats it.

[stefanvv]

PS - 1 JML, 2 Ogier, 3 Ostberg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wZP8vnwCxkY

[stefanvv]

It's not easy for WRC journalists

[Mirek]

Regarding the tyres. Prokop yesterday did two stages with only FWD (broken rear diff). He said he destroyed totally the tyres with only FWD and had only 4 good left for today (except soft ones).

[A FONDO]

Regarding the tyres. Prokop yesterday did two stages with only FWD (broken rear diff). He said he destroyed totally the tyres with only FWD and had only 4 good left for today (except soft ones).

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559404_370626306377097_1141694480_n.jpg

[GallardoGT]

Why Neuville talking german as native language every time on the radio (very good btw)?

[MikeD]

Why Neuville talking german as native language every time on the radio (very good btw)?

It's because Belgium is tri-lingual. Most know they speak Flemmish and French but there is a series of small regions/counties to the east of the country that is german speaking. I think it's app. 75.000 german speaking belgians. Neuville is from that area and his first language is German. He only recently learned French according to my sources.

[darkstar]

Why Neuville talking german as native language every time on the radio (very good btw)?

he live´s in the part of belgium where they talk german(around st.vith, where´s the east belgian rallye). with a little accent but proper german :)

[WRC3]

he live´s in the part of belgium where they talk german(around st.vith, where´s the east belgian rallye). with a little accent but proper german :)

Is Bruno Thiry, and/or Freddy Loix also from St. Vith? I dont remember which one of that both.

[Mirek]

Thiry is from St. Vith, Loix is Flammish I think.

[Mirek]

Nice photo of Lappi
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_6e2dc09929b0c5aa6b23dd20c82b1477.jpg

[mousti]

Bruno Thiry is also from the Oostkantons. Last year we did the finish of SS Sankt Vith in Lommersweiler his birthplace for his 50th birthday.

Sent from my HTC Desire X using Tapatalk 2

[darkstar]

isnt loix somewhere from roeselare or so? but were going a bit off topic ;)

so, is the powerstage live somewhere?

[bluuford]

Nice photo of Lappi

Looks like he is in 80% indeed :-P

[A FONDO]

Ogier on full steam again. Some people exploded too early :D

[WRC3]

Now we can see if Ostberg is able to beat Al-Qassimi, the gap is around 1min50. First run that stage, Ostberg was 2min13 faster.

[SubaruNorway]

Regarding the tyres. Prokop yesterday did two stages with only FWD (broken rear diff). He said he destroyed totally the tyres with only FWD and had only 4 good left for today (except soft ones).

Strange that there is not a thread depth limit on gravel tyres. Like Novikov got a penalty in Spain last year on the DMAC tarmac tyres.

[dimviii]

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally)2λ (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/323417805020098560)
Reports that Neuville has hit something in the stage. Damaged right rear wheel and suspension - carrying on with damage

[wwbroe]

isnt loix somewhere from roeselare or so? but were going a bit off topic ;)

so, is the powerstage live somewhere?

We are a little off-topic, but Fast Freddy was born in Millen, a small village close to Tongeren and that is reasonably far from Roeselare. It is about the border between Flemish and French speaking part of Belgium.

[jonkka]

Strange that there is not a thread depth limit on gravel tyres. Like Novikov got a penalty in Spain last year on the DMAC tarmac tyres.

Um, you mean what? On tarmac tyres, optimally you don't want thread at all (=slick), on gravel tyres you want to avoid losing thread.

[wwbroe]

Um, you mean what? On tarmac tyres, optimally you don't want thread at all (=slick), on gravel tyres you want to avoid losing thread.

+1 :D

[wwbroe]

M. KOSCIUSZKO stopped in the stage? Pitty for him and Mini

[WRC3]

Al-Qassimi push hard. He is on Split 3 much more faster against Ostberg then in first run, so it could be, he save his 9th Overall!

[wwbroe]

Neuville stopped now, seems like it is over for him.

[SubaruNorway]

Um, you mean what? On tarmac tyres, optimally you don't want thread at all (=slick), on gravel tyres you want to avoid losing thread.


That's what i find strange, ask the FIA :p

Shouldn't the stage be live on RTP1 now?

[WRC3]

Why Kuipers didnt start now? He should be on the road before Mikkelsen. I like to see him finsih 7th, great result for him, never thought!

[dimviii]

That's what i find strange, ask the FIA :p

you didn t get it Subaru Norway...
in asphalt tyres when you worn them = make them slick=faster=cheat against other drivers with unworn tyres
at gravel is opposite,if you have worn gravel=slower

[WRC3]

42 seconds for Al-Qassimi, overall in front of Ostberg, at split 6 ...

[Mirek]

Strange that there is not a thread depth limit on gravel tyres. Like Novikov got a penalty in Spain last year on the DMAC tarmac tyres.


Um, you mean what? On tarmac tyres, optimally you don't want thread at all (=slick), on gravel tyres you want to avoid losing thread.

Technically I think You must have minimum thread depth also on gravel tyre when You are driving on public road section. I'm not sure how it is in case of gravel events but for asphalt there is definitely the requirement for minimum depth coming from public road rules (but that's more a question of accidental police check or something). Also the single-pattern asphalt tyres used in WRC (and since Tour de Corse probably also in ERC) are road legal, they have road homologation.

[jbmarcus21]

Live [VIDEO] SS15 now Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/)

[dimviii]

SPORTV GRATIS ONLINE EM DIRECTO - RTP grátis, rtp online em direto! (http://www.estadiofutebol.com/rtp)

[wwbroe]

Look at the opening split for Seb Ogier !!!

Edit: it is disappeared now, he was on -13,4 sec

[stefanvv]

Ogier won't fight for 3 points :D

[JRodrigues]

HS Ogier!!! :eek:

[WRC3]

First split not serious, same as at first run.

[JRodrigues]

Well.. seems it's been corrected.

[dimviii]

Sordo overtook Neuville at stage

[jonkka]

Technically I think You must have minimum thread depth also on gravel tyre when You are driving on public road section.

Technically, you also must have for example all wheels on and working headlights but how often rally cars have forayed on public traffic with less than four wheels or crashed fronts?

[JRodrigues]

There goes the camera :D

[WRC3]

It will be photofinish between Ostberg and Al-Qassimi! The overall gap now 13 seconds, and approx 8 km to go! But I think Ostberg pushed on last sections ...

Kuipers? Very bad if he dont finish ...

[EightGear]

Where is Kuipers??

[bluuford]

Kuipers retired due to electircal problem

[WRC3]

Ostberg passed Al-Qassimi, and if Kuipers retire, Mads will be 8th overall.

[Mirek]

Technically, you also must have for example all wheels on and working headlights but how often rally cars have forayed on public traffic with less than four wheels or crashed fronts?

Since 2006 or 2007 crews are being disqualified for driving on three wheels on public roads at least in WRC it happened quite many times. It's too visible and there were problems with that with local police in the past. Lights are quite a small problem in the daylight so I guess nobody really cares.

[wwbroe]

No fourth split for Ogier?

[WRC3]

Ogier Split 4?

Continue ... Seb want that 3 extra points!

[jonkka]

Since 2006 or 2007 crews are being disqualified for driving on three wheels on public roads .

I know, that's why I used past tense in "how often rally cars have".


Lights are quite a small problem in the daylight so I guess nobody really cares.

True, but I used it only as an example of technically road-illegal condition of a car. So I guess same would apply to worn-out tyres too, eh?

[Mirek]

I know, that's why I used past tense in "how often rally cars have".

True, but I used it only as an example of technically road-illegal condition of a car. So I guess same would apply to worn-out tyres too, eh?

I understand and agree. I just said that such rule theoretically exists and its violation may be punished if somebody complains not that it's generally checked and punished all the time.

[Barreis]

So Hirvonen will have 48 points and Ogier about 100?! :D

[wwbroe]

Ostberg is faster as JML on power stage

[Barreis]

Championship is finished.

[stefanvv]

Congratulations to all VW team :)

[HarriK]

Great job Esapekka and Janne!

[MikeD]

Not trying to be corky or anything, but isn't Hirvonen the driver with the most 2nd places in the history of the WRC?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yet another poor rally for M-Sport... now beaten regularly by VW and Citroen... :(

Maybe now I understand why Ford pulled out of the official support. :rolleyes:

[jonkka]

Not trying to be corky or anything, but isn't Hirvonen the driver with the most 2nd places in the history of the WRC?

No, Carlos Sainz is. Hirvonen is on 4th place:
juwra.com**|**Statistics - Driver second places (http://www.juwra.com/driver_statistics_second_places.html)

[A FONDO]

Not trying to be corky or anything, but isn't Hirvonen the driver with the most 2nd places in the history of the WRC?

juwra.com**|**Statistics - Driver second places (http://www.juwra.com/driver_statistics_second_places.html)

[WUff1]

Great job and good strategic driving also by Bryan Bouffier - besides of winning WRC3 & Citroen Top Driver 13th in absolut classement with this car!

[MikeD]

No, Carlos Sainz is. Hirvonen is on 4th place:
juwra.com**|**Statistics - Driver second places (http://www.juwra.com/driver_statistics_second_places.html)

Thanks (great site, btw). Little surprised that even Loeb beats Hirvonen on 2nd places...

[mousti]

Final Standings of Rally de Portugal + WRC Standings:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/549057_449424988469981_878314608_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524523_449429075136239_2005243047_n.jpg

[tfp]

Not very much fighting with this rally?

[Mirek]

By the way in the end VAG brands copy each other - both VW and Škoda takes same podium positions in their championships :D

[vkangas]

Not very much fighting with this rally?
Offs are usually a result of fighting...

[WRC3]

Coming soon, livestream final Podium:

WRC.com LIVE-Stream (http://cdn.laola1.tv//wrc/live/player5.html)

[Co-driven]

I understand and agree. I just said that such rule theoretically exists and its violation may be punished if somebody complains not that it's generally checked and punished all the time.

Wasn't Novikov penalized recently because of the Dmack tyres?

[smsgrafica]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130414-5092-low-VW-WRC13-04-RB2-1674.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130414-5091-low-VW-WRC13-04-RB2-1650.jpghttp://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/uploads/vw_pics/vw-20130414-5024-low-VW-WRC13-04-DR2-3213.jpg

[smsgrafica]

Unwell, with a not 100% functioning car and still 25+3 points for Ogier. He's a master!

[Andre Oliveira]

Seb 2.0

[MikeD]

3 overall WRC wins in a row - and 3 Power stage wins in a row for Ogier. Loeb better stop this in Argentina :)

[jonkka]

Loeb better stop this in Argentina :)

Well, he couldn't stop it from starting in Sweden...

[rallyfun]

Ostberg is faster as JML on power stage

It was finished before even started

[RJM]

Ogier is very impressive, jari-matti is making progress and in wrc-2 Evans showed good speed but kubica was a big suprise on gravel!

[danon]

http://imageshack.us/a/img27/2677/lj9fn.jpg

[tfp]

Offs are usually a result of fighting...

Or the result of a mistake, perhaps...

[Negaiss]

Finaly I made good Picks! 100% predicted all vw driver places+ novikov and hirvonen in top six. Waiting for results. If you want to feel good in the end of the rally every time, just make your pics against your favourites. In that case eiteher you will have good pickem results or wil be satisfaid because your favourite drivers are in good positions.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_485ddd2eb8.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_0d94b385ea.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_cd1233b19e.jp g

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1135/1135_vodafone_rally_de_portugal_2013_3845cacdbb.jp g

More photos from Portugal HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1135)

[faateris]

Who can change something in this Year of S. Ogier? I little wandering, there must be 2 changes - Loeb is back to WRC, Latvala back to Ford. :cool: Now, for me only interesting thing is all news from Hyundai.

[Rallying UK]

LAPPI: THE REAL DEAL
An assessment by @RallyingUK of Finland’s young hope, ESAPEKKA LAPPI, in just his fourth WRC event:

Rallying UK | LAPPI: THE REAL DEAL (http://rallyinguk.tumblr.com/post/47961438783/lappi-the-real-deal)

[Rallying UK]

LAPPI: THE REAL DEAL
An assessment by @RallyingUK of Finland’s young hope, ESAPEKKA LAPPI, in just his fourth WRC event:

Rallying UK | LAPPI: THE REAL DEAL (http://rallyinguk.tumblr.com/post/47961438783/lappi-the-real-deal)

[Kielder]

These are some pics I took there:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC08552_zps852a00e8.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/OAnibal/media/DSC08552_zps852a00e8.jpg.html)http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC07859_zps4563674e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/OAnibal/media/DSC07859_zps4563674e.jpg.html)
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC09461_zpsceea395f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/OAnibal/media/DSC09461_zpsceea395f.jpg.html)
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC08395_zpsf9fb7998.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/OAnibal/media/DSC08395_zpsf9fb7998.jpg.html)
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/OAnibal/DSC08843_zps2ea3ada3.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/OAnibal/media/DSC08843_zps2ea3ada3.jpg.html)

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuz-dcm0C1U

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDicRKNyRyI

[jbmarcus21]

[GALLERY PHOTOS] Day3 #wrc #rallyportugal13 Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/portugal-2013/) - [Big Thanks to Pedro Contente Photography for Portugal13 agreement]

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5366/3944.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/3944.jpg/)

[dimviii]

@Kielder
nice photos,tell us more about the rally.

[Francis44]

Just got back from Algarve.

Brilliant weekend, had a blast. This was by far one of the best I attended, even if the competition was not too tough.

Ogier was always very impressive, neat and you could see how he is good on saving tyres. Latvala very impressive aswell, and very commited. Even today in Almodovar with only front wheel drive and even thought the car was going all over the place he was still trying, shame he lost the 2nd place which would be his best result in Portugal.
Im surprised Hirvonnen isn't faster, he was taking quite a few risks in the beginning of the rally and I was surprised at his times, it looked quite faster than what it actually was, maybe the DS3 doesn't suit him very well.
Mikkelsen very smart and still quite fast, boh Lappi and Wiegand very impressive aswell in their Fabia's.
Sordo was going quite well too, shame about his off, could be in the podium for sure. Novikov very steady.

Everyone was talking about a return to the north of the country, and I understand that, however coming back from such a great weekend with sun and beer ofcourse, I still think the rally as it is now is almost perfect, it would be such a shame to see such places being forgotten from one year to another. This rally is by far one of the toughest and I think sometimes we forget a rally has to be a challenge not only about speed. Everyone on the final ramp without superrally deserves my sincere congratulations.

Btw, the VW service area looks like a proper manufacturing warehouse, it is that impressive.

[stefanvv]

Im surprised Hirvonnen isn't faster, he was taking quite a few risks in the beginning of the rally and I was surprised at his times, it looked quite faster than what it actually was, maybe the DS3 doesn't suit him very well.

It really looked like he was on the limit on some stages. Perhaps you're right about DS3, something is not right with his braking, the corner speed looks good, but I think too much sideways.

[MAXLD]

Latvala very impressive aswell, and very commited. Even today in Almodovar with only front wheel drive and even thought the car was going all over the place he was still trying, shame he lost the 2nd place which would be his best result in Portugal.

Front differential was the one broken, he only had rear wheel drive. A shame indeed, he deserved that 2nd place.

[stefanvv]

Front differential was the one broken, he only had rear wheel drive. A shame indeed, he deserved that 2nd place.

Yeah, it was even worse - had 3 wheel drive, only the right front was broken.