2013 ERC News and Results

[GL Media Pro]

Just saw this tweet:

How final is current European Rally Championship calendar? Loud rumours claiming Croatia to move to September, but what about Poland? #ERC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ERC&src=hash)

Both in september...

[PLuto]

Just saw this tweet:

How final is current European Rally Championship calendar? Loud rumours claiming Croatia to move to September, but what about Poland? #ERC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ERC&src=hash)

It looks like it is correct. According to last info both events will be in September...

[tolis]

Marco Tempestini and Simone Tempestini will both drive Impreza R4 in Rally Liepaja-Ventspils!

[Georgi]

It looks like it is correct. According to last info both events will be in September...

This is interesting. Why they moved them?

And regarding Croatia did they say that the rally will be once again near Rijeka or another location?

[PLuto]

This is interesting. Why they moved them?

And regarding Croatia did they say that the rally will be once again near Rijeka or another location?

I think it is too early to answer this questions...

[liposh]

Is there any draft version of Croatian rally calender for 2013? It should be revealed these days anyway.

[Tom206wrc]

M-Sport czy Citroen? - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/m-sport-czy-citroen,46439)
:confused:

[PLuto]

M-Sport czy Citroen? - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/m-sport-czy-citroen,46439)
:confused:

Still the same song for last month. Ford or Citroen?

[Tom206wrc]

To me it's news because I was sure Kubica at M-Sport it was done... ;)

[PLuto]

To me it's news because I was sure Kubica at M-Sport it was done... ;)

Nothing is sure yet. And it is still the same situation. Only some medias "found" some old info, change something and put it as a news... And both teams (Citroen and Ford) are confirming actual negotiations and Robert told, that he wants to be sure before end of the year.

[bluuford]

I think pretty much changed when Neuville signed to M-Sport. One of them lost a driver and one of them reserved another car for the whole season. If Citroen wants to continue in WRC then they must find someone for future. For how long Mikko wants to continue? He becomes 33 this summer but it will be his 12th season in WRC already. If he will not become champion in 2013 as well then there is a question - how long he bothers? Great statistics are indicating to the fact that he will not become World Champion in 2013 ;-)

[Kielder]

Can't wait! :bounce:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ3x5eGAcfg&feature=player_embedded

[Kielder]

- Sad to see "Circuit of Ireland" on the video.
- I still can't get used to that "serious competition ahead".

[dupanton]

- I still can't get used to that "serious competition ahead".

What do they have to say? "yet an other crap serie" ? It's a commercial, they should attract fans...
Besides that, I think competition is better than last year IRC and ERC, so they are on their way! From 2014 there will be the new topclass, R5, and I think things will be even better then!

[Mirek]

By the way was it mentioned here that Antonín Tlusťák and Jaroslav Orsák registered for ERC team competition? Tlusťák will drive usual Fabia S2000, Orsák Evo IX.

[Jarek Z]

By the way was it mentioned here that Antonín Tlusťák and Jaroslav Orsák registered for ERC team competition? Tlusťák will drive usual Fabia S2000, Orsák Evo IX.

No, it wasn't. But I already knew that. Thanks anyway! :)

But there's one danger here. If Orsak is faster than the team leader, will team orders come into play? ;)

[Jarek Z]

I find the video quite cool! Well done!

Only two remarks from my side?
- the connection to rally history at the beginning of the clip is a very good idea, but why did they stop in 1985? They should have shown at least one WRC car, they also belong to history
- the logo still sucks :)

[mousti]

By the way was it mentioned here that Antonín Tlusťák and Jaroslav Orsák registered for ERC team competition? Tlusťák will drive usual Fabia S2000, Orsák Evo IX.

Will Orsak drive most of the events like Antonin then?

[had_zachau]

Somewhere I read that Tlustak will do all avents and Orsak 8 or 9

[Mirek]

I would say that it's far from being decided. If he screws first few he might stop and continue only in CZ or vice versa. I don't think that the program is fixed.

[Jarek Z]

To me it's news because I was sure Kubica at M-Sport it was done... ;)

No, as far as I know, nothing has been decided yet. If someone is interested, here is a fresh interview that Kubica made for Daily Express, where he says how boring his life without racing is. Nothing about Janner, but still an interesting reading...
Sport | Motorsport | Robert Kubica dreams of an F1 return Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366532/Robert-Kubica-dreams-of-an-F1-return-/)

[RS]

No, as far as I know, nothing has been decided yet. If someone is interested, here is a fresh interview that Kubica made for Daily Express, where he says how boring his life without racing is. Nothing about Janner, but still an interesting reading...
Sport | Motorsport | Robert Kubica dreams of an F1 return Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366532/Robert-Kubica-dreams-of-an-F1-return-/)

It says Citroen are "considering running him on the level below WRC" Do they mean he could drive a DS3 RRC in ERC?

[PLuto]

Yes, both M-Sport and Citroen are talking with Kubica about ERC...

[Jarek Z]

It says Citroen are "considering running him on the level below WRC" Do they mean he could drive a DS3 RRC in ERC?

Yes, Citroen has such plans, but so does Ford, so we will have to wait and see.
A few weeks there were rumours about Kubica in WRC, but recently I have only heard about ERC.

[PLuto]

The truth is, that both teams are offering to RK to start in ERC with S2000 / R5 + one or more starts with WRC...

[PLuto]

Martin Koči confirmed in ERC 2013 with Petr Stary and Skoda Fabia S2000 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14717)

[Bartek]

Martin Koči confirmed in ERC 2013 with Petr Stary and Skoda Fabia S2000 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14717)

wow his carrer is going very fast, i remember when i saw him 2 years ago i think in C2 R2 and now ERC and Fabia. He has big sponsor or his dad?

[PLuto]

wow his carrer is going very fast, i remember when i saw him 2 years ago i think in C2 R2 and now ERC and Fabia. He has big sponsor or his dad?

He has started when he was under 18 in czech championship for youth drivers with Fabia N1. Last two years he was competing with Citroen C2 R2 Max, first year mainly Czech and Slovakia, this year also some WRC events. He is going step by step... Yes, he has big sponspor (his dad) :)

[PLuto]

Rally Class will be next year also in ERC - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14715)

[mousti]

What will Saliuk and Tamrazov do in 2013?

[PLuto]

What will Saliuk and Tamrazov do in 2013?

Actual plan is: nothing

[mousti]

Weird guys :p

[RS]

The truth is, that both teams are offering to RK to start in ERC with S2000 / R5 + one or more starts with WRC...

I actually hope it is Citroen so we have a bit more variety in ERC. Maybe MSport will come with Tanak and Basso so we have some Fiestas already.

[Luis Pacheco]

ERC intro


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YZ3x5eGAcfg

[Andre Oliveira]

Official site: FIA European Rally Championship (http://www.fiaerc.com)

[muratgunarslan]

Rumour; Basso and Rossetti will start to drive ERC at 3rd race Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Inglés.

[Andre Oliveira]

Bruno Magalhães:

Finally what is your plan for 2013?
I'm struggling to return to rallying full time and have a few options. My priority would be the new European Championship, but return to CPR can also be a solution.

[RS]

Rumour; Basso and Rossetti will start to drive ERC at 3rd race Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Inglés.

It would be fantastic if these two drivers could have a bigger programme after Canarias too.

[106 sport]

Rumour; Basso and Rossetti will start to drive ERC at 3rd race Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Inglés.

Ohhhh great news.

Do you have any link of the source ???

[PLuto]

It looks like it came from Canarias. But there are lot of other rumours, I know about few drivers which planned to start their ERC campaign in Ireland. And as Ireland is out, they will probably start in Canarias or Acores...

But still, both Rossetti and Basso, are working on the budget, nothing is sure yet now...

[Rallying UK]

Anyword on M-Sport intentions for the ERC?

[PLuto]

Anyword on M-Sport intentions for the ERC?

I am sure there will be some Fords in ERC. But question is if under M-Sport colors or private ones (or both)...

[Kielder]

Waiting for those live stages...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTXicLk4lHs

[aykutbilir]

I am sure there will be some Fords in ERC. But question is if under M-Sport colors or private ones (or both)...

We have some rumors about Yagiz Avci will compete at some ERC events with Fiesta S2000 for 2013 season under CFTT (Castrol Ford Team Turkey). Of course Murat Bostanci can join him with Fiesta S2000 or Fiesta R2.

[Luis Pacheco]

Waiting for those live stages...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTXicLk4lHs

I still have some doubts ...

[PLuto]

Some info about Tempestinis programme in ERC - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14725)

[Rallying UK]

What a spectacularly beautiful place Azores is. Amazing scenery.

[werner]

ERC Cup - FIA European Rally Cup 2013:
18-20/04 Rally 1000 Miglia 20
3-4/05 Rally Presov 2
? Rally Gates of Ukraine 2
10-12/05 Rally Sredna Gora 5
17-19/05 Rally Saturnus 10
23-25/05 Rallye Cesky Krumlov 5
? Rallye Rias Baixas 2
31/05-1/06 Rally Hebros 5
8-9/06 Bosphorus Rally 20
21-22/06 Agrotec Petronas Rally Hustopece 5
21-23/06 Rally Serbia 10
? International Rally Karpaty 2
5-7/07 Rally Bulgaria 20
12-14/07 Rally Bohemia 10
1-3/08 Rally Madeira 20
6-8/09 Rally Sliven 10
13-14/09 Rally Principe de Asturias 20
? Prime Yalta 10
08-09/11 Int Rallye Waldviertel 5

[Georgi]

This "Cup" is a big joke Werner.
20 rallies for what ?

Funny people at FIA !
Who will have the budget to do the CUP and will miss to do the TV coverage competition ERC ???

[Jack4688`]

Who will have the budget to do the CUP...

I think it's more intended to be that if one of those is in your domestic championship some ERC points are on offer. But then that doesn't make sense either because they are all a lower coefficient to the actual ERC and there's the best 8 scores from 13 and you have to do some rallies in each half thing....

Maybe these rallies are the ones most likely to be considered to be added to the ERC calendar in the future and are like when the WRC used to have a 'Candidate Event'. But 20 rallies also a lot for that idea to be true.....

I'm confusing myself now...

[Mirek]

I think it's more intended to be that if one of those is in your domestic championship some ERC points are on offer. But then that doesn't make sense either because they are all a lower coefficient to the actual ERC and there's the best 8 scores from 13 and you have to do some rallies in each half thing....

No. None of these events counts for ERC. Those coefficients are related only for the European Cup and nothing else.


Maybe these rallies are the ones most likely to be considered to be added to the ERC calendar in the future and are like when the WRC used to have a 'Candidate Event'. But 20 rallies also a lot for that idea to be true.....

Right. So big number is in my opinion caused by existence of several zone cups in previous years which were only joined to one. They were useless also, even won by crews which didn't even know they won something (for example Kris Meeke or Jan Kopecký won them purely accidentally).

[dupanton]

No. None of these events counts for ERC. Those coefficients are related only for the European Cup and nothing else.



Right. So big number is in my opinion caused by existence of several zone cups in previous years which were only joined to one. They were useless also, even won by crews which didn't even know they won something (for example Kris Meeke or Jan Kopecký won them purely accidentally).

Even I, as a fan, have no idea who won it previous years... How can somebody have interest in it??

[MAXLD]

I think it's more intended to be that if one of those is in your domestic championship some ERC points are on offer. But then that doesn't make sense either because they are all a lower coefficient to the actual ERC and there's the best 8 scores from 13 and you have to do some rallies in each half thing....

Maybe these rallies are the ones most likely to be considered to be added to the ERC calendar in the future and are like when the WRC used to have a 'Candidate Event'. But 20 rallies also a lot for that idea to be true.....

I'm confusing myself now...


Some of those are the ones from iRC and ex-ERC that got dumped from merge that resulted in the current ERC championship. And they aren't happy about it... Rally Madeira, for example, in 2012 it wasn't part of the iRC but was part of the ex-ERC... and this year isn't part of anything "European" as a result of not being on the current ERC calendar.

It wasn't possible to have all the iRC and ex-ERC events together in the same calendar... specially with costs involved to the promoter and so on...

FIA probably created that "Cup" to compensate for it... and this way the dumped rallies will still be part of an European competition, attracting a few outsiders to compete with the locals.

[Georgi]

I don't think someone will have serious intentions in this CUP !

There is absolutely no logic to participate in this.

All participants will be local crews ... and the winner will be a total surprice :)

[danon]

I don't think someone will have serious intentions in this CUP !

There is absolutely no logic to participate in this.

All participants will be local crews ... and the winner will be a total surprice :)

Total nonsense! :D

[danon]

... and the winner will be a total surprice :)

The winner is supposed to be a surprise/unknown, either you like it or not.

Commentator on portuguese Eurosport said that there will be broadcasted live stages at least in Azores and Corsica.

[Kielder]

Craig Breen is trying to find the sponsorship to participate in the Championship in a Peugeot 207 S2000 of Sainteloc Racing. The agreement could include doing some development on the 208 R5.

[Bartek]

From what i know young man from Poland wants to start in ERC with Evo X. His account in Polish Championship is 0 rallies but he has big wallet. His name is Tomasz Kasperczyk, last season with Fabia R2 in Polish second league.

[Jack4688`]

I've just been watching the British Eurosport coverage of Day 1 - it would be so much better if they got rid of Carlton Kirby. As a commentator he is fairly bad but not the worst in the world but he cannot pronounce anything remotely foreign! Here are some of his mispronunciations:

Vaclav Pech - "Vaclak", "Vaplav"

Beppo Harrach - "Harrash", "Horrach"

Buamschlager - "Baumschlanger" "Boomschalnger" he even said "a clanger from Baumschlanger" - it doesn't work because his name isn't BaumschlaNger!!!

Kajetan Kajetanowicz - "Ketjan Kajetanowicz" How can he manage to say those differently when its the same name with '-owicz' on the end?!

Freistadt - "Freestadt"

Now I know most people don't care about failing to pronounce things and it can be hard with names in a foreign language but if you're going to get things wrong at least be consistent! They had the MotorsTV WRC guy interviewing the drivers at the end of the stage so they should get the Scottish guy who does the main commentary for the WRC too - none of the WRC and ERC events are on the some weekend...

*Rant over*

[RS]

I've just been watching the British Eurosport coverage of Day 1 - it would be so much better if they got rid of Carlton Kirby. As a commentator he is fairly bad but not the worst in the world but he cannot pronounce anything remotely foreign! Here are some of his mispronunciations:

Vaclav Pech - "Vaclak", "Vaplav"

Beppo Harrach - "Harrash", "Horrach"

Buamschlager - "Baumschlanger" "Boomschalnger" he even said "a clanger from Baumschlanger" - it doesn't work because his name isn't BaumschlaNger!!!

Kajetan Kajetanowicz - "Ketjan Kajetanowicz" How can he manage to say those differently when its the same name with '-owicz' on the end?!

Freistadt - "Freestadt"

Now I know most people don't care about failing to pronounce things and it can be hard with names in a foreign language but if you're going to get things wrong at least be consistent! They had the MotorsTV WRC guy interviewing the drivers at the end of the stage so they should get the Scottish guy who does the main commentary for the WRC too - none of the WRC and ERC events are on the some weekend...

*Rant over*

He is not the only one, they're pretty useless at this on RallyRadio too (even if I love their service)

I'd rather have Andrew Coley doing it all the time. He's the second guy they use on live coverage and he is knowledgeable about the sport and is a good commentator too.

[Jack4688`]

He is not the only one, they're pretty useless at this on RallyRadio too (even if I love their service)

I'd rather have Andrew Coley doing it all the time. He's the second guy they use on live coverage and he is knowledgeable about the sport and is a good commentator too.

I think I know who you mean, yes he is knowledgeable, which is what you want in motorsport coverage - to hell with the casual fan!

Is RallyRadio the one from the ERC website? I may give it a go and see who is least bad.

[MAXLD]

He is not the only one, they're pretty useless at this on RallyRadio too (even if I love their service)

Indeed, it's pretty much their only weak point...

They never got it right with "Armindo Araújo" either, on WRC, even though they asked him live a bunch of times how to pronunciate it correctly during those 2 years on PWRC. It was always "Armundo", "Armondo" or some other weird variation... which is quite silly, because I'm sure they wouldn't miss "Armin (Schwarz)", for example.

[mousti]

Dutch commentary is 10 times worse! I always switch to english commentary..

[EightGear]

Dutch commentary is 10 times worse! I always switch to english commentary..

Except when Peter Baert is commentating. Or René Hoogterp but that's because I know him from our simracing league. :D

[RS]

This is probably the wrong thread but can someone tell me how this came about and why: Alex Bengue & S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQv7vukFGKo&list=PL9EF414860B164A2A&index=3)

I liked Bengue, he was one of the better drivers that Skoda Motorsport employed in those days.

[Mirek]

That was just an event for French media. I think some of those journalists was a friend of Alex and that's why he drove the car.

[RS]

Thanks Mirek, does he still rally?

[Mirek]

I don't know. He did French championship two years back in a whale but now I have no idea what is with him. Let's ask some of our French members :)

[tolis]

Thanks Mirek, does he still rally?
He didn't do any rallies last year.

[vino_93]

I think he is official test driver for Echappement, french motorsport mag' ;)

[Tom206wrc]

According to Ralis.Online, portuguese driver Renato Pita will run 6 events of ERC with newly bought Peugeot 208 R2 !! ;)

[Rasantes]

According to Ralis.Online, portuguese driver Renato Pita will run 6 events of ERC with newly bought Peugeot 208 R2 !! ;)

Yes, it's true. The Canaries started their season and will only asphalt rallies.

[Kielder]

According to Ralis.Online, portuguese driver Renato Pita will run 6 events of ERC with newly bought Peugeot 208 R2 !! ;)

Pita has said that is 90% sure. He'd do Canarias, Corse, Ypres, Barum, San Remo and Valais (Croatia is the only asphalt rally he will miss). His car's engine will arrive in February, the rest of the car earlier.

[Barreis]

http://www.rally-erc.com/pdf/2012_summary.pdf

[Georgi]

http://www.rally-erc.com/pdf/2012_summary.pdf

Very interesting stuff :)

[Mirek]

I would say quite strange...

For example Rally Bohemia. Only three stages were run before it was canceled. The fatal accident happened on a stage which was in same direction run as shakedown. If that is not a fault in itinerary and safety of the event than what? If what FIA observers want to see is a forbidden area sign every twenty meters all around the rally route than I give up...

[RS]

Motorsport News are reporting that ERC are expecting a second Kronos 207, two Sainteloc 207s, plus a Renault, a Subaru and a Mini team for Canarias (and Kubica)

[PLuto]

Motorsport News are reporting that ERC are expecting a second Kronos 207, two Sainteloc 207s, plus a Renault, a Subaru and a Mini team for Canarias (and Kubica)

And you forgot Fords... Subaru is not sure, they are waiting for info from Japan.

[RS]

Guessing the Saintelocs will be Breen and Arzeno(?) but what about the second Kronos?

[PLuto]

Guessing the Saintelocs will be Breen and Arzeno(?) but what about the second Kronos?

Maybe Hunt?

[Georgi]

It's quite possible to be Hunt but this driver is a mistery for me.
Not havining any sponsors so it's his own money.
We can expect anything from him.

[mousti]

Enough funding of his dad, not really a mystery for me :)

[pucky54]

It's quite possible to be Hunt but this driver is a mistery for me.
Not havining any sponsors so it's his own money.
We can expect anything from him.

He had a good pace last year at Sanremo, so I guess he would be able to fight for top 5 finish

[Tom206wrc]

Motorsport News are reporting that ERC are expecting a second Kronos 207, two Sainteloc 207s, plus a Renault, a Subaru and a Mini team for Canarias (and Kubica)


What car for Kubica :confused:

[PLuto]

What car for Kubica :confused:

It is very easy. Ford or Citroen. And still lot of time to make a decision :)

[NaBUru38]

ERC Cup - FIA European Rally Cup 2013:
18-20/04 Rally 1000 Miglia 20
3-4/05 Rally Presov 2
? Rally Gates of Ukraine 2
10-12/05 Rally Sredna Gora 5
17-19/05 Rally Saturnus 10
23-25/05 Rallye Cesky Krumlov 5
? Rallye Rias Baixas 2
31/05-1/06 Rally Hebros 5
8-9/06 Bosphorus Rally 20
21-22/06 Agrotec Petronas Rally Hustopece 5
21-23/06 Rally Serbia 10
? International Rally Karpaty 2
5-7/07 Rally Bulgaria 20
12-14/07 Rally Bohemia 10
1-3/08 Rally Madeira 20
6-8/09 Rally Sliven 10
13-14/09 Rally Principe de Asturias 20
? Prime Yalta 10
08-09/11 Int Rallye Waldviertel 5

Searching for 2013 FIA European Rally Cup, I found this (http://www.rallylink.it/cms14/calendari/14-calendari-2013/105-ercup-2013.html). It says:

o- Coef 20 races: 1000 Miglia, Bosphorus, Bulgaria, Madeira, Príncipe de Asturias. All 5 results will count.
o- Coef 10 races: Sliven, Yalta, Islas Canarias, Saturnus, Serbia, Bohemia. Up to 4 out of 6 results will count.
o- Up to 12 results of the 20 races will count.

Of the 11 high coefficient rallies, six were 2012 IRC or ERC races (Yalta, Sliven, 1000 Milgia, Bosphorus, Bulgaria and Madeira), whereas Príncipe de Asturias and Islas Canarias are also well known. Wasn't it easier to run a European Rally Cup with these 11 high coefficient races?

Targa Florio, Cote d'Azur, Elpa are missing. :(

[NaBUru38]

Another option could be to create three strong FIA European Rally Cups:

o- FIA West European Rally Cup: Corse, Ypres, San Marino, Sanremo, 1000 Miglia, Madeira, Asturias, Canarias.
o- FIA Central European Rally Cup: Jänner, Zlín, Valais, Croatia, Poland, Bohemia, Saturnus, Presov.
o- FIA East European Rally Cup: Romania, Bosphorus, Bulgaria, Sliven, Serbia, Yalta.

[PLuto]

Another option could be to create three strong FIA European Rally Cups:

o- FIA West European Rally Cup: Corse, Ypres, San Marino, Sanremo, 1000 Miglia, Madeira, Asturias, Canarias.
o- FIA Central European Rally Cup: Jänner, Zlín, Valais, Croatia, Poland, Bohemia, Saturnus, Presov.
o- FIA East European Rally Cup: Romania, Bosphorus, Bulgaria, Sliven, Serbia, Yalta.

There were European Rally Cups in last year, but nobody was interested in it...

[vino_93]

there was some interests in Central and Eastern Europe ...

[PLuto]

Almost no. Only Czech drivers, because they had money from our ASN to do it and most of events were in Czech republic...

[Jarek Z]

there was some interests in Central and Eastern Europe ...

No. I live in Central/Eastern Europe and I have never seen anybody who was interested in this useless cup.

[EightGear]

Kosciuszko will do all 13 rounds in the Lotos-Mini. :o

[werner]

The final European Rally Cup Calendar will be publish begin of next week. Waldviertel Rallye (A, 8-9 November 2013) has Coef 10, and I dont think Gran Canaria will have ERC and ERCup. That Calendar I have posted could be done before decision that Gran Canaria is in ERC 2013.

Anyway I think the Cup Winner 2013 come from Bulgaria or Turkey. Rally Bulgaria with Coef 20, Bosphorus with Coef 20, and Sliven (10) and Serbia (10, counting for bulgarian Championship?) would be enough for overall win.

[Mirek]

No. I live in Central/Eastern Europe and I have never seen anybody who was interested in this useless cup.

Pluto is right. Thanks to large number of events of Central European Cup placed in Czech republic some Czech drivers made a trip to Slovenia, Slovakia or Austria for being classified to take money from our ASN which virtually just supported them in MMČR. That was a common thing.

[Mirek]

By the way Orsák confirmed he would start in 9 ERC events.

[106 sport]

By the way Orsák confirmed he would start in 9 ERC events.

Will he go to Gran Canaria?

thanks.

[Mirek]

I was told he doesn't want to go there but we'll see.

[106 sport]

I was told he doesn't want to go there but we'll see.

So, There is a little chance...

thanks.

[Tom206wrc]

According to Autorally, Logan Cup winner Bogdan Barbu, from Romania, is the new "protégé" from François Delecour and will run several events of ERC(either in S2000 or R2 in the new 208) ;)

[rage82]

"Robert Kubica will have a 10-round program in ERC starting in Canaries. He is still choosing between Citroen and M-Sport" - according rumors on Twitter!

[PLuto]

"Robert Kubica will have a 10-round program in ERC starting in Canaries. He is still choosing between Citroen and M-Sport" - according rumors on Twitter!

Still the same story for last two months, nothing new...

[werner]

OK, its Monte Carlo time ... but I am little bit confused about the published Calendar of European Rally Cup:

Calendar | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (http://www.fia.com/championship/european-rally-cups/calendar)

Anyway, FIA wasnt able to make correct calendars, points classifications etc since the 90ies ...

At ERC Calendar, there is no date for Poland. Are they thinking to change the date, as Croatia Rally?

[Georgi]

I've noticed this today as well.
This is the cup calendar but it's not the complete one :)
The events in the calendar are 20.
Total misinformation and confusion.

[PLuto]

Dont believe FIA pages :)

[Georgi]

I don't believe FIA and you are telling me about the pages :) :) :)

[muratgunarslan]

OK, its Monte Carlo time ... but I am little bit confused about the published Calendar of European Rally Cup:

Calendar | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (http://www.fia.com/championship/european-rally-cups/calendar)

Anyway, FIA wasnt able to make correct calendars, points classifications etc since the 90ies ...

At ERC Calendar, there is no date for Poland. Are they thinking to change the date, as Croatia Rally?

37 RALLY ISLAS CANARIAS - "EL CORTE INGLES" is at 2013 ERC Calendar?

[106 sport]

37 RALLY ISLAS CANARIAS - "EL CORTE INGLES" is at 2013 ERC Calendar?

YES.

[muratgunarslan]

there must be, Bosphorus Rally at 8-9 June 2013 at European Rally Cups.

[Georgi]

there must be, Bosphorus Rally at 8-9 June 2013 at European Rally Cups.

Are you sure in the date of Bosphorus?
I mean is it confirmed?

[Carloos]

know they will make Tlustak rallies and Orsak?

[muratgunarslan]

Are you sure in the date of Bosphorus?
I mean is it confirmed?
not sure :S

[Bartek]

Looks like not ERC for Kubica but DTM...

[Georgi]

Oh No! Disappointed :(

[EightGear]

Looks like not ERC for Kubica but DTM...

He will test a Mercedes, but that doesn't mean he will do DTM...

[bjalverud]

The Peugeot Rally Academy
New rally programmes for talented drivers
peugeot-media.com/index.php?nav=771&action=view&communique_i d=252&langue=en

[tolis]

Great news!
Craig Breen in 8 rounds in a Peugeot 207 S2000
Jeremi Ancian in 6 rounds in a Peugeot 207 S2000
Stephane Lefebvre in 4 rounds in a Peugeot 208 R2

Peugeot Rally Academy ERC chance for three young stars - News - ERC European Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/138/t/Peugeot-Rally-Academy-ERC-chance-for-three-young-stars)

[Tom206wrc]

I'm so glad for Jérémi Ancian winner of the 2012 Volant Peugeot 207 !!! :cool:
Peugeot-Sport should offer all the years winners such a "present", many many drivers would run the coming 208 Cup to get a drive in ERC :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen named as Peugeot factory driver - 8 ERC events this yearhttp://www.ralsys.com/irally_admin/news_images/2012BreenUlster.jpg (http://irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00002840#)

SWRC Champion and former WRC Academy Cup winner Craig Breen has been named by Peugeot Sport as a full factory driver.

The news is the main headline from Vélizy, as Peugeot Sport creates its own new Peugeot Rally Academy.

The Irish driver will take part in 8 ERC events this season in a 208 R2 - he's already listed on the Entry List for next month's Rally Liepāja-Ventspils Latvia, the second round of the 2013 FIA European Rally Championship.

Crucially, Breen will also work to help develop the Peugeot 208 R5, starting next week with a gravel test:

"This is incredible and beyond my dreams. I am really excited to work with a manufacturer like Peugeot Sport, I think of it since I was a young boy. To arrive here in front of a nice season is a good position to be in. My objective is to show good speed and challenge for some victories on a regular basis. For the testing program, I will give the best I can to support the development of the 208 Type R5”.

Breen will spearhead the Peugeot Sport ERC activity, with French drivers Jérémi Ancian and Stéphane Lefebvre alongside in 208 R2s. Ancian, who won last year's Volant 207 is provisionally scheduled to tackle WRC Azores, Tour de Corse, San Marino, Poland, Sanremo and Valais. Lefebvre is slated to do ERC Latvia, Azores, San Marino and Poland.

Bruno Famin, Peugeot Sport Team Principal:

"With the Peugeot Rally Academy, we are taking another step forward in terms of the support we provide to the winners of our promotional formulas. The 208 Rally Cup has all the required elements to be a great sporting success, with the 208 R2 which is already a leading car, a varied calendar and the unrivalled concept of offering a “drive” to the winner."

"I am confident that Craig will confirm all the good things that have been said about him in this year's ERC, and I can't wait to see how our winners will fare alongside him. There is no pressure on them to achieve results. It’s all about accumulating experience for these young drivers; we’re not fighting for the championship.”

[RS]

The press release doesn't say anything about 207 S2000?

Good news though... is this a proper Peugeot Sport works entry or farmed out to Sainteloc or Kronos?

[Mirek]

Sainteloc will run the cars under official Peugeot Sport banner.

[106 sport]

Breen named as Peugeot factory driver - 8 ERC events this yearhttp://www.ralsys.com/irally_admin/news_images/2012BreenUlster.jpg (http://irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00002840#)

SWRC Champion and former WRC Academy Cup winner Craig Breen has been named by Peugeot Sport as a full factory driver.

The news is the main headline from Vélizy, as Peugeot Sport creates its own new Peugeot Rally Academy.

The Irish driver will take part in 8 ERC events this season in a 208 R2 - he's already listed on the Entry List for next month's Rally Liepāja-Ventspils Latvia, the second round of the 2013 FIA European Rally Championship.

Crucially, Breen will also work to help develop the Peugeot 208 R5, starting next week with a gravel test:

"This is incredible and beyond my dreams. I am really excited to work with a manufacturer like Peugeot Sport, I think of it since I was a young boy. To arrive here in front of a nice season is a good position to be in. My objective is to show good speed and challenge for some victories on a regular basis. For the testing program, I will give the best I can to support the development of the 208 Type R5”.

Breen will spearhead the Peugeot Sport ERC activity, with French drivers Jérémi Ancian and Stéphane Lefebvre alongside in 208 R2s. Ancian, who won last year's Volant 207 is provisionally scheduled to tackle WRC Azores, Tour de Corse, San Marino, Poland, Sanremo and Valais. Lefebvre is slated to do ERC Latvia, Azores, San Marino and Poland.

Bruno Famin, Peugeot Sport Team Principal:

"With the Peugeot Rally Academy, we are taking another step forward in terms of the support we provide to the winners of our promotional formulas. The 208 Rally Cup has all the required elements to be a great sporting success, with the 208 R2 which is already a leading car, a varied calendar and the unrivalled concept of offering a “drive” to the winner."

"I am confident that Craig will confirm all the good things that have been said about him in this year's ERC, and I can't wait to see how our winners will fare alongside him. There is no pressure on them to achieve results. It’s all about accumulating experience for these young drivers; we’re not fighting for the championship.”

It is a pity...

No Rally Islas Canarias in their program...

[Jack4688`]

This is good news - he deserves a factory drive in ERC or WRC-2 at least, hopefully he will be doing WRC before long. Fast Eddie WRC what is your source? All other articles I have found (the one earlier in this post and on autosport.com) state he will drive the 207 S2000 to start off.

[Jack4688`]

From crash.net:

'All three cars will be run by Sainteloc and will compete in the colours of Peugeot Sport, Total, Michelin and Sparco.'

Good to see, I think cars running in full works colours will give the ERC a bit more pedigree

[PLuto]

This is good news - he deserves a factory drive in ERC or WRC-2 at least, hopefully he will be doing WRC before long. Fast Eddie WRC what is your source? All other articles I have found (the one earlier in this post and on autosport.com) state he will drive the 207 S2000 to start off.

From beginning Craig he will be driving Peugeot 207 S2000 and testing 208 R5.

[Jack4688`]

Yes but Fast Eddie WRC wrote that he would be driving a 208 R2

[pucky54]

Real shame that they will miss on Canarias and Barum Rally :( :(

[mousti]

And Ypres..

[PLuto]

Breen and Ancian will start with 207 S2000, Lefebvre with 208 R2. Draft calendars for all three drivers here - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14819)

[pucky54]

And Ypres..

Breen will be there...

[mousti]

I know but I meant the two French talents ;)

[vino_93]

I know but I meant the two French talents ;)
yes, really disappointing ... it's near to France, it's "local" international rally for all people living in North and some stages near to Lille ... don't understand why they don't come there :(

[mousti]

yes, really disappointing ... it's near to France, it's "local" international rally for all people living in North and some stages near to Lille ... don't understand why they don't come there :(

I was also surprised that Ypres wasn't included.. Hope other French prospects take Ypres in their plans!

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[EightGear]

Warning: off topic.


Something that popped into my mind just now, why is Ypres always called Ypres (the French version) and not Ieper (the Dutch version)? After all the city is in the Dutch speakig part of Belgium.

[vino_93]

Warning: off topic.


Something that popped into my mind just now, why is Ypres always called Ypres (the French version) and not Ieper (the Dutch version)? After all the city is in the Dutch speakig part of Belgium.

I wonder too, I always find this strange ...

[vino_93]

I was also surprised that Ypres wasn't included.. Hope other French prospects take Ypres in their plans!

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Consani maybe, but for the rest ... I don't know who will start there ...
Maybe Barbara with his new Mini ? :D

[mousti]

Ypres is also the English version of it and in the promo commercials on radio and TV they say it in English not in French, can't get the right word to explain in English :p . But it's English meant, offcourse for the international public..

[Wasted Talent]

Ypres is also the English version of it and in the promo commercials on radio and TV they say it in English not in French, can't get the right word to explain in English :p . But it's English meant, offcourse for the international public..

Well the English called it "Wipers" in WW1, but I personally would prefer to see it referred to Ieper as that is it's local name in Flemish.

Totally off topic - I am increasingly frustrated by the BBC who refer to Mumbai, Beijing etc as they are the local names but still call "Moskva" Moscow etc.......

WT

[Jack4688`]

It's not just the beeb. We say 'Germany' and 'Spain' etc. when they already have names - there's no need to make a translation for Deutschland or España. Though maybe words like that should be anglicised as there is no 'ñ' in English. Likewise in Spanish (sorry Español) lessons at school I refused to write 'Londres' as my home city - it's LONDON!

Anyway I imagine I would be annoyed if I were from Ieper but kept seeing reference to Ypres Rally, or were from Spain (sorry again) and read David Evans of Autosport and Motorsport News referring to 'Rally of Spain'. Infact that one annoys me anyway

[Mirek]

Guys, this is normal in all languages. There are Czech names for most of world countries, cities, rivers, mountains etc. too. I find it stupid too but what can we do...

For Ypres. Here almost nobody would know what is Ieper. People know Ypres from learning about WWI and I guess it is similar with most of the world and that's why the organization uses this more known name.

[Jack4688`]

True, you make a good point Mirek.

But back on subject, does anybody know when Breen will switch to the R5? I've read countless times some vague timescale like 'spring' or 'early summer' for the R5 debut. I'm also going to assume that the competitive debut of the R5 will be the rally that Breen switches to it from the S2000...

[Mirek]

From what I have heard I expect 1st September as the homologation date.

[stefanvv]

From what I have heard I expect 1st September as the homologation date.

What about Ford? I read somewhere it will be the summer begin?

[Mirek]

Originally M-Sport planned homologation for 1st March but maybe it is postponed. I don't know.

[Georgi]

Something strange appeared on the FIA website this Friday - 18.01.2013.
New document called - 2013 FullCalendar.pdf is added and the dates of ERC Rally Poland and Rally Croatia are without dates.
Also for rally Croatia - there is a remark saying that the rally probably still don't have contract with Eurosport. So it's under big question mark!

There is something very strange with the European Rally Cup as well.
Only 11 events appear in the "new" calendar!
No coefficient 20 rallies except Vihno de Madeira.

Somebody knows something about this sudden change for ERC rally cup ?

[Kielder]

Portuguese Ricardo Moura will try to participate in Rally Açores and Canarias on a S2000. After that, his intention is to participate on rallyes in countries where Açores can get more visitors. So, I guess Corse and Ypres are two possibilities.


Scanned article in Portuguese (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304209_131357067030658_196337752_n.jpg)

[Georgi]

Someone with explanation on the published FIA calendar for European rally cup ??!
Only 11 events on the new calendar and many others are missing...

[Mirek]

Who cares about that useless cup?

[Georgi]

This Cup is absolutely unnecessary and in other words stupid!

I was just looking for some dates currently for local events around Bulgaria and saw this "mess" on the FIA new calendar which is named as final :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

I have more and more the feeling Robert Kubica will run DTM on circuit this season: looks like Mercedes is really interested in him :mark:

[mousti]

Many people are interested in him ;)

[dupanton]

I have more and more the feeling Robert Kubica will run DTM on circuit this season: looks like Mercedes is really interested in him :mark:

According to the french magazine AutoHebdo, he will possibly do a limited DTM program together with ERC.

[Jack4688`]

It's just a test, wouldn't read much into it

[Luis Pacheco]

Portuguese Ricardo Moura will try to participate in Rally Açores and Canarias on a S2000. After that, his intention is to participate on rallyes in countries where Açores can get more visitors. So, I guess Corse and Ypres are two possibilities.




With support from who?
The azorean government?
San Miguel Hospital don´t have money to buy basic materials....

[cosmin_sb]

ERC program for Simone Tempestini: Liepaja; Acores ; San Marino; Sibiu; Barum; Poland; San Remo
ERC program for Marco Tempestini: Liepaja; Acores; Corsica; San Marino; Sibiu; Barum; Poland; San Remo

According the ranking it is possible that Marco to compete at Valais Rally. Marco' s goal is the podium at the ERC Production Cup.

[vino_93]

no Ypres ? :(

[mousti]

Meireles seems to do some ERC events too

PYeklada Google (http://translate.google.cz/translate?prev=hp&hl=cs&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rally-mania.cz%2Fnews.php&sl=cs&tl=en)

[PLuto]

Meireles seems to do some ERC events too

PYeklada Google (http://translate.google.cz/translate?prev=hp&hl=cs&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rally-mania.cz%2Fnews.php&sl=cs&tl=en)

Article is not correct, he will do only events in Portugal.

[Andre Oliveira]

Yes, and try secure budget to do the Inter(national)es: Madeira, Azores and Portugal.

[RS]

I noticed that "Peugeot Rally Academy - Sainteloc" have registered for the ERC teams championship. It is interesting that for Latvia they were able to nominate Delecour even though he doesn't drive for Sainteloc.

I guess this means in theory we could have an "M-Sport" team or a "Skoda Motorsport" team in the future where they nominate and support drivers who don't technically drive for their own team, could be a good thing.

[Jack4688`]

Well done to British Eurosport - MUCH better commentator this time. Andrew Coley is a good commentator, doesn't fill silence with waffle and is very technically knowledgeable. Hope he continues to do the coverage for the rest of the season.

[dupanton]

Well done to British Eurosport - MUCH better commentator this time. Andrew Coley is a good commentator, doesn't fill silence with waffle and is very technically knowledgeable. Hope he continues to do the coverage for the rest of the season.

If they can now learn to stick to the schedule, we can actually record the coverage to...

[Kielder]

The 56th Tour de Corse itinerary is out: http://www.asacc.fr/56eme-TOUR-de-CORSE_a348.html … (http://t.co/a0Q6vLiC) Only two legs. Classic stage of Acqua Doria is back. SS2-6 ('11 & '12), SS4, SS8-11 & SS9 were broadcasted live in the past.

[Luis Pacheco]

Governo mantém apoio de 800 mil euros ao SATA Rallye Açores | Fórmula Rali (http://formularali.net/2013/02/governo-mantem-apoio-de-800-mil-euros-ao-sata-rallye-acores/)

The Azorean government support to the Rally Azores.

The organization talks about 70 possible entries and one a World champion....

[pucky54]

...and one a World champion....

Of course. Breen is coming!

[RS]

Governo mantém apoio de 800 mil euros ao SATA Rallye Açores | Fórmula Rali (http://formularali.net/2013/02/governo-mantem-apoio-de-800-mil-euros-ao-sata-rallye-acores/)

The Azorean government support to the Rally Azores.

The organization talks about 70 possible entries and one a World champion....

800,000 Euros is a lot but then it brings business to the region from the teams, media and fans and it promotes the islands to potential tourists throughout Europe. For sure it is on my list of places to go on holiday one day and I know about it solely from the rally.

The world champion to come? Petter? Or Loeb is free that weekend I think? :D

[Luis Pacheco]

800,000 Euros is a lot but then it brings business to the region from the teams, media and fans and it promotes the islands to potential tourists throughout Europe.


Most hotels are closed. Some permanently. Where are the tourists?
Government support is very questionable when hospitals do not pay water and electricity bills for years and have no money for basic materials...

[bluuford]

Most hotels are closed. Some permanently. Where are the tourists?
Government support is very questionable when hospitals do not pay water and electricity bills for years and have no money for basic materials...

When you will not promote, then you will not get any visitors. Money produces money.

[fmcv]

The money from the Azorean governement is a droplet in the ocean of those 800.000 euro. Most of it comes from the EU funds for investment and could not be used on other kinds of projects such as funding the hospitals.

[Luis Pacheco]

4 live stages. In 2009 were also 4 stages lives...

Troços das Sete Cidades e Tronqueira em direto na Eurosport - Açoriano Oriental (http://www.acorianooriental.pt/noticia/trocos-das-sete-cidades-e-tronqueira-em-direto-na-eurosport)

[Luis Pacheco]

The money from the Azorean governement is a droplet in the ocean of those 800.000 euro. Most of it comes from the EU funds for investment and could not be used on other kinds of projects such as funding the hospitals.

I leave these questions for the economists, my friend. I let me be with the issue of immorality.

[PLuto]

New dates for Croatia Rally and Rally Poland (finally) confirmed. It is same as I told two month ago - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14899)

[rallyfiend]

New dates for Croatia Rally and Rally Poland (finally) confirmed. It is same as I told two month ago - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14899)

Why the need to change Croatia to fit in with World Motor Sport Council Meeting? I don't understand that bit.

[PLuto]

Why the need to change Croatia to fit in with World Motor Sport Council Meeting? I don't understand that bit.

I dont understand it too. And I think this situation (too many events in a row in a very short time + mixture of surfaces) is not good for championship and also for competitors.

[mousti]

I thought the same, everyone is so positive about Super September. But if someone crashes there's little time to get ready for the next rally and also preparing and getting ready will be a bit more difficult than it should be.

[PLuto]

I thought the same, everyone is so positive about Super September. But if someone crashes there's little time to get ready for the next rally and also preparing and getting ready will be a bit more difficult than it should be.

It is not only about crash. It is about budget, also parts of cars needs to rebuild...

[RS]

I think it is nice for the fans not to have to wait so long between rallies, but the calendar is not spaced out very well. We have this huge gap now until Canarias and in September we will have three rallies in the same period.

[dj_masch_hr]

Why the need to change Croatia to fit in with World Motor Sport Council Meeting? I don't understand that bit.

the organiser is new, the whole rally is new, based in porec instead of rijeka or zagreb. in my opinion (this is not official reason), it is difficult to organise this kind of event during summer in coastal area because of turism, so they've picked the post-season.

[Mirek]

I think it is nice for the fans not to have to wait so long between rallies, but the calendar is not spaced out very well. We have this huge gap now until Canarias and in September we will have three rallies in the same period.

I think that for fans it's nicer to have good entries. With asphalt-gravel-asphalt in one month the entry lists must be pretty poor...

[dj_masch_hr]

I think that for fans it's nicer to have good entries. With asphalt-gravel-asphalt in one month the entry lists must be pretty poor...

it might be, but maybe the competitors will choose to drive only the tarmac rallies ;)

[Mirek]

There's nothing good about it for the championship.

[dj_masch_hr]

last time when polish rally was in ERC calendar kajetan kajetanowicz in N4 car made the S2000 drivers look funny, so i think my last statement is not unreal... when you consider poor situation in poland regarding roads (it takes too many time to travel to mikolajki), i think many teams will choose not participate in rally poland...

also, in my opinion it is very bad to change the calendar once when the championship has started, but it's something that we witness every year in croatia...

[dj_masch_hr]

There's nothing good about it for the championship.

that's not what fiaerc.com crew has in mind

European Rally Championship set for Super September - News - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/287/t/European-Rally-Championship-set-for-Super-September)

[Mirek]

last time when polish rally was in ERC calendar kajetan kajetanowicz in N4 car made the S2000 drivers look funny, so i think my last statement is not unreal... when you consider poor situation in poland regarding roads (it takes too many time to travel to mikolajki), i think many teams will choose not participate in rally poland...

also, in my opinion it is very bad to change the calendar once when the championship has started, but it's something that we witness every year in croatia...

Esapekka Lappi and Michal Kosciuszko were ruling the rally last time. Kajetan had a puncture and finished 4th. He got so high only thanks to accident of Kosciuszko.

[dj_masch_hr]

Esapekka Lappi and Michal Kosciuszko were ruling the rally last time. Kajetan had a puncture and finished 4th. He got so high only thanks to accident of Kosciuszko.

sorry, i was reffering to the 2011 season - kajetanowicz 1st, rossetti 6th 3+ minutes behind... looking the 2012 results i've noticed only 4 foreign crews at the finnish :(

[Jarek Z]

that's not what fiaerc.com crew has in mind

European Rally Championship set for Super September - News - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/287/t/European-Rally-Championship-set-for-Super-September)

Unfortunately there are many people (also on this forum) who prefer quantity than quality.

[PLuto]

Also Eurosport isnt happy with this situation. There were big pushes to have Croatia in ERC calendar...

[kober]

The important thing that's missing when talking about Super September is that's actually going to end in the middle of October, and there will be four ERC rallies within seven weeks:

09 Barum Czech Rally Zlín, Asphalt, 30 August-1 September
10 Rally Poland, Gravel, 13-15 September
11 Croatia Rally, Asphalt, 26-28 September
12 Rallye Sanremo (Italy), Asphalt, 10-12 October

Which is even more insane :)

[Sulland]

Also Eurosport isnt happy with this situation. There were big pushes to have Croatia in ERC calendar...

Who is pushing for Croatia?

[dj_masch_hr]

Who is pushing for Croatia?

the croatian FIA committee member is zrinko gregurek

@jarek: it's very difficult to achieve the quality in this format of ERC :( there are too many private entrants, without enough financial support, so the situation through the years repeats - not all of the drivers compete at all of the rallies :(

i will repeat - it's not a good solution to change the calendar once the championship has started, but the thing is - the change in calendar has been made and there is nothing we (disscusing at this forum) can do about it...

[PLuto]

The important thing that's missing when talking about Super September is that's actually going to end in the middle of October, and there will be four ERC rallies within seven weeks:

09 Barum Czech Rally Zlín, Asphalt, 30 August-1 September
10 Rally Poland, Gravel, 13-15 September
11 Croatia Rally, Asphalt, 26-28 September
12 Rallye Sanremo (Italy), Asphalt, 10-12 October

Which is even more insane :)

I know about it. It is impossible to do all four rallies with one S2000 car...

[PLuto]

the croatian FIA committee member is zrinko gregurek

@jarek: it's very difficult to achieve the quality in this format of ERC :( there are too many private entrants, without enough financial support, so the situation through the years repeats - not all of the drivers compete at all of the rallies :(

i will repeat - it's not a good solution to change the calendar once the championship has started, but the thing is - the change in calendar has been made and there is nothing we (disscusing at this forum) can do about it...

To say the truth, most of teams competing (or thinking about compete in) ERC knows about this change more that two months...

[dj_masch_hr]

To say the truth, most of teams competing (or thinking about compete in) ERC knows about this change more that two months...

nevertheless - when the rules (or calendar) are set, they should be obeyed... try to imagine european football championship that is changing dates once it has started...

anyway, pluto, you (tlustak team) can consider this date change a good news, because croatia will be a part of the EU, and maybe (just maybe, i'm not sure of the praxis) you won't have problems with the customs ;)

[mousti]

To say the truth, most of teams competing (or thinking about compete in) ERC knows about this change more that two months...
Will San Marino stay as first event of the second part of the championship or will that change to last event of part 1?

[PLuto]

nevertheless - when the rules (or calendar) are set, they should be obeyed... try to imagine european football championship that is changing dates once it has started...

I completely agree. Main problem started that agreement between Eurosport and FIA came too late and there were no time to make agreement with organisers in time. Plan of Eurosport is to have draft calendar for 2014 in summer 2013 and confirmed final version in autumn...



anyway, pluto, you (tlustak team) can consider this date change a good news, because croatia will be a part of the EU, and maybe (just maybe, i'm not sure of the praxis) you won't have problems with the customs ;)

We had no problem with customs, but with customs officers and their system of bribing.

[PLuto]

Will San Marino stay as first event of the second part of the championship or will that change to last event of part 1?

Rules says very easy - season is divided into two halfs - first half has 7 events, second one has 6 events...

[mousti]

That says enough indeed. :)

[dj_masch_hr]

We had no problem with customs, but with customs officers and their system of bribing.

the result is pretty much the same ;) anyway, i wish you luck and better results in the rest of the season!

[RS]

Plan of Eurosport is to have draft calendar for 2014 in summer 2013 and confirmed final version in autumn...


That will be good. I would hope for slightly less events (although I doubt that will happen) and a bit better spaced out.

[Jarek Z]

@jarek: it's very difficult to achieve the quality in this format of ERC :( there are too many private entrants, without enough financial support, so the situation through the years repeats - not all of the drivers compete at all of the rallies :(


I don't agree with you Mr DJ ;)
If there are no drivers who can compete in all rallies, then reduce the number of rallies. I don't see the problem.
ERC has been based on private entries at least for the last 20 years. So it was easy to predict that this year will be the same.

[dj_masch_hr]

I don't agree with you Mr DJ ;)
If there are no drivers who can compete in all rallies, then reduce the number of rallies. I don't see the problem.
ERC has been based on private entries at least for the last 20 years. So it was easy to predict that this year will be the same.

i think the better solution would be to negotiate more manufacturer teams, especially now when the eurosport is ERC promotor ;)

[pucky54]

You also have to keep in mind that 2013 is a "bridge year". Next year, with new cars there will be a bigger field of permanent starters I suggest.

[dj_masch_hr]

You also have to keep in mind that 2013 is a "bridge year". Next year, with new cars there will be a bigger field of permanent starters I suggest.

hopefully :)

[Jarek Z]

i think the better solution would be to negotiate more manufacturer teams, especially now when the eurosport is ERC promotor ;)

What are you talking about? There are no manufacturer teams anymore.

[Tom206wrc]

So Renato Pita will start his 2013 ERC campaign in Corsica, and will continue on the 6 european tarmac events... ;)
He aims to run the gravel events in 2014...

[dj_masch_hr]

What are you talking about? There are no manufacturer teams anymore.

sure there aren't... officially ;)

[RS]

Good news for us?: No DTM drive for Kubica in 2013 as Mercedes signs Juncadella - DTM news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105636)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Cédric Robert would be looking for a budget to drive a 208 R2 in ERC !!! :confused:

[Fly]

Germain BONNEFIS - Renault Sport s’engage en Championnat d’Europe des Rallyes (http://www.germainbonnefis.com/communiques/communique/56/renault-sport-sengage-en-championnat-deurope-des-rallyes)

[RS]

Any news on possible ERC programmes for Basso and Rossetti. I strongly believe that either of these two could fight for the title with a good enough programme.

[PLuto]

Both of them are trying.... ...to find money.

[Jarek Z]

I'm sure the increase of number of ERC rounds from 10 to 13 helps them significantly in the negotiations :/

[Mirek]

When was the last season with 10 or less rounds in ERC? I don't remember any serious talks about 10 events for 2013. As I recall that was only a wish of some of us...

[Jarek Z]

When was the last season with 10 or less rounds in ERC?

Wasn't it last year?

[Mirek]

Now I checked, it was 11. After Elpa was canceled it was 10 in 2011 and also 2010 (so was IRC).

[RS]

Anyhow, they only need to compete in eight for a good chance of the title. I don't know how many scores were taken in previous years of ERC?

[Mirek]

That doesn't change the point of Jarek. Imagine someone has unlimited budget. He can drive 13 events flat out and 5x crash and still win the title (see case of Mikkelsen in IRC). More events doesn't make the championship better.

[Jarek Z]

More events doesn't make the championship better.

Thanks Mirek! That is exactly what I wanted to say. I don't know why we are the only people on the forum who understand it.

[RS]

Thanks Mirek! That is exactly what I wanted to say. I don't know why we are the only people on the forum who understand it.

You are not. I didn't say more events is better, in fact I think quite the reverse. But I don't understand the constant whinging about it - because of the "8 best scores" rule they do not need to compete in all events and I don't think the length of calendar would have a significant impact on whether certain drivers can put a programme together. I think the European economy in general is having a far bigger effect on that.

[Mirek]

Counting only 8 of 13 makes the championship very strange. The number of events to be skipped is too high. It's also very difficult to follow for the audience. I don't like any skipping at all but if it must be done than it's better to keep it for just one or two but not 40% of all!

[RS]

Counting only 8 of 13 makes the championship very strange. The number of events to be skipped is too high. It's also very difficult to follow for the audience. I don't like any skipping at all but if it must be done than it's better to keep it for just one or two but not 40% of all!

I agree with that too, but I still think as the rules stand then a decent driver can still put together a championship challenge with 8 events.

[Jarek Z]

I agree with that too, but I still think as the rules stand then a decent driver can still put together a championship challenge with 8 events.

When 8 events is enough, then why organize additional 5? To make the championship look pathetic? 10 years ago there were over 50 events in ERC and only 10 counted. Did it work? No. Why do you want to repeat the same mistake? Is it not better to learn from mistakes than repeat them like a monkey over and over again?

[Jarek Z]

Let's try again. Maybe the voice of the drivers themselves will convince you. In 2009 each driver competing in ERC was asked the same question - what is the optimal number of events in ERC? Answers below.

Giandomenico Basso - 9 or 10 (Giandomenico Basso about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=367))
Renato Travaglia - 8 (Renato Travaglia-Lorenzo Granai about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=374))
Piero Longhi - 8 (Piero Longhi about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=359))
Michal Solowow - 8 (Michal Solowow about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=366))
Luca Betti - 8 (Luca Betti about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=377))
Corrado Fontana - 8 (Corrado Fontana about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=376))
Krum Donchev - 7 or 8 (Krum Donchev about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=368))
Antonin Tlustak - 9 (Antonin Tlustak about ERC 2008 - ERC (http://www.rally-erc.com/2009/article.php?cont=375))

Did anybody say 13? I didn't notice.

[PLuto]

During last year we have prepared material about opinion of ERC drivers about future of ERC (before Eurosport joined championship). Here is one point from this material:

What improvements would you like to see in the Championship?
· Main improvement can be done about the TV COVERAGE. Usually, drivers are choosing a championship instead of another for TV coverage, mainly for easy presentation of their sponsors, that let them race. If there will be the possibility to have more TV coverage via some TV channel, it would be good for all (At least proper internet TV Channel).
· Involve the national motor sport authorities in helping crews in the ERC. Example: the Czech ASN. They give to the drivers, who are competing in ERC or in cups, money to encourage them to compete in these championships.
· More work with the opinions of drivers. To hear what they want and need.
· Lower number of events (8 would be ideal, max. 10).
· Make a better balanced calendar (sometimes there is no time between events to prepare). And mainly not to put Cups events into ERC dates, whats more persuade big national rallies on the same date as ERC events.

[PLuto]

After few months of work I can finally confirm ladies cup in following events of ERC - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14932.

[pucky54]

Finally! :)

[PLuto]

FIA published list of drivers with FIA priority for season 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14938)

[Tom206wrc]

Latest rumour in France: 5 rounds of ERC for Cédric Robert in 207 S2000 !!! :bounce:

[106 sport]

Latest rumour in France: 5 rounds of ERC for Cédric Robert in 207 S2000 !!! :bounce:

Gran Canaria is one of them?

[PLuto]

Latest rumour in France: 5 rounds of ERC for Cédric Robert in 207 S2000 !!! :bounce:

I have heard about it. Previously it was few events in 2WD, latest rumour says about 207 S2000. But which team? Nobody is able to confirm...

[PLuto]

Gran Canaria is one of them?

I dont think so.

[Tom206wrc]

Gran Canaria is one of them?

No idea :mark:

[106 sport]

Tlustak and Orsak is going to compete in Gran Canaria?

[PLuto]

Tlustak and Orsak is going to compete in Gran Canaria?

Orsak no, Tlustak I hope yes

[jbmarcus21]

#ERC Robert Kubica close to deal with Citroen DS3 RRC to drive ERC Campaign Robert Kubica commits to European Rally Championship with Citroen - ERC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://t.co/pURxGH9ghZ)

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/307179073862504450

[jbmarcus21]

Renault tested Megane RS N4 Renault Sport teste sa Megane RS N4 ! (http://planetemarcus.com/renault-sport-teste-sa-megane-rs-n4/)

[PLuto]

#ERC Robert Kubica close to deal with Citroen DS3 RRC to drive ERC Campaign Robert Kubica commits to European Rally Championship with Citroen - ERC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://t.co/pURxGH9ghZ)

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/307179073862504450

But everybody is still waiting for OFFICIAL confirmation. This rumour is here for long time. And Autosport is not so reliable source like in the past...

[Jarek Z]

FIA published list of drivers with FIA priority for season 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14938)

What?! Thanks for posting, but... is it supposed to be a joke? Block? Brynildsen? Kuipers? Nobre? Oliveira? Come on! My Grandmother is faster than them!

[Jack4688`]

...Autosport is not so reliable source like in the past...

It's only Autosport's fault for hiring that idiot David Evans. He writes drivel. I hate the fact that I have to put up with reading his news 'stories' (usually little more than rumour) in Autosport and Motorsport News. He is also incapable of writing an event's name properly i.e. 'Canaries Rally' and 'Rally Germany' What a ****!

[Mirek]

What?! Thanks for posting, but... is it supposed to be a joke? Block? Brynildsen? Kuipers? Nobre? Oliveira? Come on! My Grandmother is faster than them!

Dennis Kuipers and Eyvind Brynildsen are far from being slow drivers.

[Wasted Talent]

What?! Thanks for posting, but... is it supposed to be a joke? Block? Brynildsen? Kuipers? Nobre? Oliveira? Come on! My Grandmother is faster than them!

John Powell?? Priority to 31.12.15??

Never mind the random drivers that wouldn't get anywhere near top 20 on a WRC event (well okay lets not include Mexico in that)

A lot of barrel-scraping going on here.....might as well put Louise Cook on there as she is an FIA Champion.

The best bit is on the original English - French release...."Country - Pays"

WT

[RS]

There is also a report on MaxRally about Kubica. It quotes the Autosport article which quotes Matton as saying that the deal is not finalised but he expects Robert to be on Canarias with a DS3. Remember that PHSport are on the "boat list"

I'd say it sounds pretty likely.

[Sulland]

That doesn't change the point of Jarek. Imagine someone has unlimited budget. He can drive 13 events flat out and 5x crash and still win the title (see case of Mikkelsen in IRC). More events doesn't make the championship better.

Agree, 7 rounds to count, 10 rounds max, End of story.
but give them this first year to adjust the ERC!

[Tom206wrc]

If Kubica in ERC, he's clearly the favourite, even above Kopecky :p :

[pucky54]

If Kubica in ERC, he's clearly the favourite, even above Kopecky :p :

LOL

[PLuto]

There is also a report on MaxRally about Kubica. It quotes the Autosport article which quotes Matton as saying that the deal is not finalised but he expects Robert to be on Canarias with a DS3. Remember that PHSport are on the "boat list"

I'd say it sounds pretty likely.

I am not talking that it isnt true about Kubica. Only problem is that during last 3 months there were too many "confirmed" reports about his start with Ford or Citroen. I know a lot about all dealings between RK and both manufacturers, but somebody write an article and other are copying/translating (and sometimes badly) and readers take it as 100% confirmed news. I know that RK will start with PH Sport and only question is if he will start on Canarias (more probably) or Acores. I am only still waiting for something OFFICIAL...

[rallye-vid]

Kubica mit Citroën in EM*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/02/28/kubica-mit-citroen-in-em/index.html)

[PLuto]

Kubica mit Citroën in EM*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/02/28/kubica-mit-citroen-in-em/index.html)

Still the same story...

[rallye-vid]

Yeah, but in another language ;)

[PLuto]

Yeah, but in another language ;)

But same source. Like lot of others on internet...