2013 ERC News and Results

[Hartusvuori]

It looks like the Eurovision song contest logo. And now I am ashamed by the fact that I know what the Eurovision song contest logo looks like.

At least ESC logo represents what it should represent.

[tommeke_B]

Good that a logo doesn't decide the value of the championship... :p If they would not put "FIA European Rally Championship" below it, you wouldn't have any idea what the logo is standing for...

[Jarek Z]

It looks like the Eurovision song contest logo. And now I am ashamed by the fact that I know what the Eurovision song contest logo looks like.

That shows you in a bad light indeed :D

[Allar]

Estonian Sander Pärn shows interest in ERC campaign for 2013, They are talking about better car as well, maybe R5, but not really sure.

[Sulland]

I agree with you. That must be the ugliest logo that I have ever seen!

Just look at the comparison between the old and the new:

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Has anything changed for better?

What is wrong with the old one? Looks simple and easy to read.
If they absolutely have to make a new one, make it cool and colourful !

[mousti]

Would Oleksowicz coming back to ERC ? And Kruuda would be nice contender for ERC..

[PLuto]

Rok Turk will start in ERC 2013 with Peugeot 208 R2.

[mousti]

Larger program than this year I hope?

[Jarek Z]

What is wrong with the old one? Looks simple and easy to read.

I have no idea what is wrong with the old logo. I find it cool and it has some historical value too.

[Jarek Z]

Would Oleksowicz coming back to ERC ? And Kruuda would be nice contender for ERC..

The latest news from Oleksowicz are that he finished his season in SWRC in 5th position:
1. Craig Breen 118
2. Per-Gunnar Andersson 109
3. Yazeed al-Rajhi 88
4. Hayden Paddon 78
5. Maciej Oleksowicz 65
6. Alastair Fisher 22

I have no idea what his next plans are.

[alleskids]

What is wrong with the old one? Looks simple and easy to read.
If they absolutely have to make a new one, make it cool and colourful !

the old looks similar to all other FIA championships. i would like to have the regional rally championship to have all a different logo with a own charachter which make them immediatly reconizable.
so I thing this is a good attempt to give the ERC-IRC an own personality

[Mirek]

Antonín Tlusťák confirmed on the radio yesterday that he will start in complete ERC championship.

[liposh]

...or let´s say he would like to...but he is one of the best drivers in finding sponsors and money funds, so it is nearly sure, he´ll do complete ERC.

[GigiGalliNo1]

New logo!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/15/ejupuna9.jpg

[tommeke_B]

@GigiGalliNo: http://www.motorsportforums.com/erc/156126-%5Bpoll%5D-european-rally-championship-2013-logo.html

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ughhh

[Georgi]

I think that Rally Sibiu is confirmed today for ERC 2013.

[Jarek Z]

I hope you are wrong!

[noel157]

Antonín Tlusťák confirmed on the radio yesterday that he will start in complete ERC championship.

Fabia I presume Mirek?

[Mirek]

Yes

[Georgi]

I hope you are wrong!
I hope too! I saw the info on the rally Sibiu facebook profile yesterday :(

[liposh]

I hope too! I saw the info on the rally Sibiu facebook profile yesterday :(

I think that facebook post "Aici incercam sa ajungem in 2013!" from Rally sibiul facebook page means "We are trying to get in for 2013" (If I understand the google-translator well) So I ask our Romanian friends to check it, please.

[Luis Pacheco]

Madeira Rallye organization send a letter to the FIA ​​to protest at not being included in the calendar for 2013.

COMUNICADO DO CLUB SPORTS DA MADEIRA – RALI VINHO MADEIRA / CAMPEONATO DA EUROPA DE RALIS


EXPOSIÇÃO RALI VINHO DA MADEIRA / CAMPEONATO DA EUROPA 2013
Dear Mr Jonathan Ashman
Para que não subsistam quaisquer dúvidas, em relação à nossa posição sobre o futuro do ERC e a forma como o Club Sports da Madeira / Rali Vinho da Madeira foi tratado em todo este processo, junto enviamos, para conhecimento e
devidos efeitos, uma exposição sobre a situação da passagem da Organização do ERC da FIA para o Eurosport Events Lda
1 - Comunicado da FIA 13/8/2012
Em 13 de Agosto de 2012, recebemos da FIA, para conhecimento e assinado por Mr. Arnaud Crepin – Head of Rally Sporting Department, o seguinte email, que é também do vosso conhecimento:
« Dear Rally Commission Members,
We would like to inform you that the negotiations between the FIA and Eurosport concerning the 2013 FIA ERC have now ended.
Therefore we will be planning for 2013 in the normal manner.
With best regards“

Concluímos assim, que todos os Eventos incluídos no ERC 2012, podiam preparar a nova época e as suas provas no ERC 2013, dentro dos mesmos moldes e regulamentos actuais, vigentes na FIA.
A Comissão Organizadora do Rali Vinho Madeira comunicou aos seus, main Sponsors que nada se alteraria para o Campeonato da Europa de 2013, tendo inclusivé, feito uma declaração pública, na sequência do mail recebido e da Inscription request confirmation de 30/7/2012, que foi enviado à Federação Portuguesa de Automobilismo e Karting, com a confirmação junto da FIA das datas da realização da prova, de 1 a 3 de Agosto e apontando como data alternativa, de 25 a 27 de Julho de 2013, inscrição essa, para o FIA European Rally Championship – Coefficient 20.
Conclusão:
Foi a própria FIA a anunciar que o ERC 2013, se ia organizar, nos mesmos moldes e regulamentos dos anos anteriores e para tal solicitou a inscrição do Rali Vinho da Madeira.
A Comissão Organizadora do Rali Vinho Madeira, apoiou a decisão e começou a preparar a Organização do Evento no ERC 2013.
2 – Press release do World Motor Sport Council de 28/9/2012
Entretanto, após a reunião do World Motor Sport Council de 28 de Setembro, através do press release distribuído e dado conhecimento aos Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do Campeonato da Europa, que afinal, a FIA, alterando a sua decisão inicial, deliberou que o Eurosport Event Limited era o Promotor / Organizador do FIA European, a partir de 2013, e por um período de 10 anos.
Isto é, contrariando as comunicações anteriores da FIA, são os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do ERC, surpreendidos e confrontados com uma nova realidade e uma nova deliberação tomada na reunião do Conselho Mundial da FIA (WMSC).
Após essa comunicação, tomamos conhecimento dum documento confidencial, datado de 25/9/2012, intitulado – FIA European Rally Championship Promotion onde se confirma que a “FIA has entered into negotions with Eurosport Events Limited (EEL) with a view to appoint EEL as Promoter of the FIA European Rally Championship”.
Esse documento, inclui, the Context, the Main Contractual Terms and The Calendar, onde três pontos nos chamam, a nossa particular atenção e preocupação:
i - EEL to liaise with FIA for the elaboration of the ERC calendar proposal to be submitted to the approval of the Rally Commission and the World Motorsport Council (target between 10 to 14 Events, with best 8 to 9 to count for the driver’s title);
(É a EEL que elabora o calendário do ERC e informa a FIA e a Comissão de Ralis. Número de provas 10 a 14 e com o número de 8 a 9 resultados a contar para o título de condutores)
ii - FIA no to put any Event on the ERC Calendar if no Event Agreement in place with EEL;
(a FIA não pode colocar nenhuma prova no Calendário do ERC se não houver acordo com a EEL)
iii - Maximum of 3 ASN hosting both a round of the WRC and ERC in 2013 with objective to progressively reduce it to zero as European Events are progressively dropped for the WRC calendar.
Quanto ao ponto “i” é uma decisão da FIA RALLY Commission mas quanto ao ponto “ii”, fica claro que só farão parte do Calendário do ERC 2013 os Eventos que assinem o acordo com o EEL, nos moldes propostos pelo Eurosport.
Quanto ao determinado em “iii” é preocupante para os ralis em Portugal, pois temos o Rali de Portugal no WRC e o Rali Vinho da Madeira no ERC, tal como Espanha e Itália. E o objectivo é reduzir progressivamente essa presença de Eventos, do mesmo País, no WRC e ERC, reduzindo a uma Prova por País. Esta será uma questão fundamental de ponderação e discussão futura, no tocante à representação dos Ralis Portugueses em Campeonatos Internacionais FIA.
Mas, em nenhum ponto, é referido que o ERC se funde com o IRC. Aliás, também, em nenhum ponto do comunicado é feita qualquer referência ao Troféu IRC e a eventuais direitos dos seus Eventos em serem incluídos no ERC 2013. Podemos, assim concluir, que só há direitos de presença e compromissos anteriores da FIA, para com os Eventos que integram o ERC 2012, sobre a sua inclusão no ERC 2013, desde que aceitem as condições contratuais propostas pela Eurosport Events Limited.
Fica claro, que para a FIA, há um novo ERC. E que a extinção ou não do IRC é uma decisão exclusiva da EEL.

3 – Negociações entre os organizadores de ralis do ERC com EEL
Quando a Organização do RVM tomou conhecimento do Press Release da WRCC, fizemos a seguinte pergunta a todos os organizadores do ERC, através de email:
“Now what happen? Where do we stand and what are the steps to follow?”
Após esta nossa solicitação, em 2 de Outubro de 2012, Mr Radovan Novak responde e esclarece, através de email, a todos os organizadores do Campeonato da Europa de Ralis de 2012:
“I will tell you the next steps. Eurosport will negotiate with every organizer about 2013 season and those accept the financial conditions will be in ERC”
Para nós, tudo ficou mais claro e esclarecido. A EEL iria contactar todos os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do ERC 2012, propondo as condições financeiras e quem aceitar e tiver budget, o seu rali fará parte do Campeonato da Europa de 2013!
Deixou de ser uma questão desportiva, ou organizativa, de bom ou mau desempenho, de muito ou pouco historial no ERC, de ser melhor ou pior pontuada pelos Observadores, etc, etc, e passou a ser uma questão financeira, de aceitação ou não do contrato financeiro proposto pelo Eurosport. E os organizadores que aceitarem as condições contratuais, têm a sua prova incluída no ERC 2013. Era essa a única garantia da FIA.
4 – Proposta da EEL
Apesar de diversos emails enviados e de diversas solicitações, nunca a Organização do Rali Vinho da Madeira recebeu ou foi contactada, oficialmente e formalmente, pelos responsáveis da EEL e, até ao presente momento, desconhece as condições financeiras e contratuais que a EEL exigiria ao Club Sports da Madeira para fazer parte do ERC 2013. Mais, temos vindo a insistir para a apresentação da proposta, pois será o Governo Regional da Madeira a decidir sobre o seu apoio financeiro e a manutenção do RVM no Campeonato da Europa de 2013.
Reafirmamos, que nunca nos foi apresentado ou comunicado qualquer proposta financeira por parte da EEL, conforme ficou acordado com a FIA. Aliás, alertámos particularmente Mr Marcello Lotti – Director Geral da Eurosport, Mr Jonathan Ashman – Comissão de Ralis FIA, Mr Radovan Novak, Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas – Presidente da FPAK , e o Gabinete do Presidente do Governo Regional da Madeira, de que não tínhamos sido contactados para a apresentação das condições financeiras da EEL.

[Luis Pacheco]

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5 – Calendário Provisório do ERC 2013
Foi com uma enorme surpresa que tomamos conhecimento do Press Release de 5 de Novembro da EEL com o Provisional 2013 FIA European Rally Championship Calendar, onde não consta o nosso Evento – Rali Vinho Madeira 2013 e onde se afirma que foram contactados todos os Clubes Organizadores dos Ralis do Campeonato da Europa, o que não é verdade!
Pela nossa parte, reafirmamos que não fomos oficialmente contactados e desconhecemos em absoluto as condições financeiras, exigidas pela EEL.
De imediato enviámos um email a Mr Jonathan Ashman, Mr Marcello Lotti, Mr Radovan Novak e Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, mostrando o nosso desagrado pelo desprezo e humilhação a que uma Organização que está há 34 anos consecutivos no Campeonato da Europa, tinha sido votada pelo EEL e para surpresa nossa, nesse calendário provisório constava o “Rali Sata Açores” evento que nunca fez parte do Campeonato da Europa mas sim da Taça da Europa e, nos últimos anos, no IRC.
E no dia 7 de Novembro de 2012, dirigido ao nosso Clerk of the Course, Mr Pedro Araújo, recebemos um email de Mr. François Ribeiro – Director Desportivo do EEL, afirmando que estavam surpresos com a nossa posição pois Mr Marcello Lotti tinha comunicado por telefone com o Mr José Paulo Fontes and explain him the situation about portuguese round of ERC. And also contact Mr Luiz Pinto de Freitas about our decision.
É claro no email, de François Ribeiro que a EEL decidiu primeiro qual era a prova portuguesa que ia incluir o ERC 2013, e só depois tentou explicar a decisão, por telefone, sem nunca dar a possibilidade do Rali Vinho da Madeira se poder pronunciar.
E até à presente data, não recebemos qualquer contacto com a apresentação dos termos do contrato a assinar com a EEL, pelo que exerceremos sempre os nossos direitos perante a FIA – Comissão de Ralis.
6 – Explicação para a inclusão do “Rali Sata Açores” e a exclusão do “Rali Vinho da Madeira”
Como afirmamos e sustentamos nesta exposição em nenhuma comunicação da FIA é referido que os ralis do IRC têm quaisquer direitos sobre as provas do ERC. Aliás, se algum troféu foi extinto foi o IRC. A FIA assinou um acordo com o EEL para a Organização do ERC 2013, não para o IRC 2013, pelo que não existem quaisquer direitos ou contratos ainda vigentes com Eventos do IRC 2012. Dizer que “Açores was under IRC Promoter Agreement with Eurosport Events until end of 2012 with a privileged position for 2013” é estar a sobrepor um Evento do IRC, que não tem quaisquer direitos no ERC, em prejuízo do Rali Vinho da Madeira, que está no direito próprio e há 34 anos no Campeonato da Europa. Não havendo IRC em 2013, não há nenhuma base legal para o prolongamento do contrato. E esta nunca poderá ser uma desculpa, para que o Club Sports da Madeira não seja contactado.
Afirmar “Açores local Governement indicated us their intention to renew their support to the Rali Sata Açores Event Promoter, and enhanced their financial contribuition to ugrade TV signal from highlights package live broadcast operations in 2013” não pode ser argumento válido, porque, era e é, o mote e a justificação para a nossa insistência de apresentação dos termos do Acordo Financeiro a estabelecer, para que o mesmo seja submetido à apreciação do Governo Regional da Madeira, que terá de se pronunciar e decidir sobre o apoio financeiro ao Rali Vinho da Madeira de 2013, neste novo contexto de ser o Eurosport Events Lda a promover a sua organização.

Conclusão:
Pelas razões expostas, e não havendo qualquer contacto formal da parte da EEL com a apresentação da proposta para a continuidade do RVM no ERC 2013, iremos recorrer para a FIA e para a FPAK, nos termos desta nossa exposição e com os direitos que nos assistem como Organizadores de uma prova do Campeonato da Europa, dando conhecimento desta nossa posição ao Presidente do Governo Regional da Madeira, às Autoridades Desportivas Internacionais e a todos os Organizadores de Provas do Campeonato da Europa.
Com os nossos cumprimentos.
Funchal, 12 de Novembro de 2012
Club Sports da Madeira
Organizador do Rali Vinho Madeira

[stefanvv]

So, as much as I understood from "googlish" ERC will be more under Eurosport jurisdiction than FIA (if not entirely)...

[PLuto]

If you really want, here is english version:

OPEN LETTER RALI VINHO MADEIRA
EUROPEAN RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP 2013

Dear Mr. Jonathan Ashman

In order that there should be no doubts with regard to our position concerning the future of the ERC and the way in which the Club Sports da Madeira/Rali Vinho Madeira has been treated throughout this whole process, we are sending for your due attention an explanatory statement regarding the moving of the Organising Body of the ERC from the FIA to Eurosports Events Ltd.

1 – Announcement from the FIA 13/8/2012

On 13 August 2012, we received from the FIA, for our attention and signed by Mr. Arnaud Crepin – Head of Rally Sporting Department – the following email, which is also known to you:

''Dear Rally Commission Members,
We would like to inform you that the negotiations between the FIA and Eurosport concerning the 2013 FIA ERC have now ended.
Therefore we will be planning for 2013 in the normal manner.
With best regards.''

We concluded therefore, that all the Events included in the 2012 ERC, could start preparing for a new season and their competitions in the 2013 ERC, within the same frameworks and current regulations, valid in the FIA.

The Organising Commission of the Rali Vinho Madeira informed its main sponsors that nothing would change for the 2013 European Championship, even having made a public declaration in fact as a result of the Inscription Request confirmation of 30/7/2012, which was sent to the Portuguese Automobile and Karting Federation, with the confirmation by the FIA of the dates of the competition, from 1/8/2013 to 3/8/2013 and indicating as an alternative date from 25/7/2013 to 27/7/2013, that inscription for the FIA European Rally Championship – Coefficient 20.

It was FIA that announced the 2013 ERC would be organised with the same manner and under the same regulations as in previous years and to that end, requested the inscription of the Rali Vinho Madeira.

The Organising Commission of the Rali Vinho Madeira supported the decision and began to make preparations for the Organising of the Event in the 2013 ERC.

2 – Press Release of the World Motor Sport Council of 28/9/2012

In the meantime, after a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council on the 28th of September, through the press release, it came to the knowledge of the Organising Clubs of the European Rallies Championship that, after all, the FIA altered its decision and determined that the Promoter of the FIA Rally Championship from 2013 for a period of 10 years would be Eurosport Event Limited.

This is contradictory to previous communications from FIA, and the Organising Clubs of the ERC Rallies are astounded and confronted with a new reality and a new wide ranging deliberation from the WMSC. A broadcaster, Eurosport, has superseding power over FIA ERC Rallies

After that communication, we learned of a confidential document, dated 25/9/2012, entitled – FIA European Rally Championship Promotion – where it is confirmed that the ''FIA has entered into negotiations with Eurosport Events Limited (EEL) with a view to appoint EEL as Promoter of the FIA European Rally Championship.''
That document includes the context, the Main Contractual Terms and The Calendar, where three points are brought to our particular attention.

i – EEL to liaise with FIA for the elaboration of the ERC calendar proposal to be submitted to the approval of the Rally Commission and the World Motorsport Council (target between 10 to 14 Events, with best 8 to 9 to count for the driver's title);

ii – FIA not to put any Event on the ERC Calendar if no Event Agreement in place with EEL;

iii – Maximum of 3 ASN hosting both a round of the WRC and ERC in 2013 with objective to progressively reduce it to zero as European Events are progressively dropped for the WRC calendar.

With regard to point 'i' this is a decision of the FIA Rally Commission but with reference to point 'ii', it is clear that only those who sign the agreement with the EEL within the framework proposed by Eurosport, will be part of the 2013 ERC Calendar of Events.

With regard to what was stipulated in point 'iii', this is worrying for the rallies in Portugal, since we have the Rally of Portugal in the WRC and the Rali Vinho Madeira in the ERC, just as in Spain and Italy. Furthermore, the objective is to progressively reduce that presence of Events, of the same country, in the WRC and ERC, reducing it to one Competition per country. That will be a fundamental question to be discussed in the future by a representation of Portuguese Rallies in FIA International Championships.

However, in none of these points is there any reference that the ERC be joined with the IRC. In fact, in no part of the communication is any reference made to the IRC Trophy and to eventual rights of their Events being included in the 2013 ERC. Thus we can conclude that there are only the rights of presence and former commitments of the FIA for the Events which make up the 2012 ERC, concerning their inclusion in the 2013 ERC.

It is clear that there is a new ERC. And that the abolition or not of the IRC is an exclusive decision of the EEL.

3 – Negotiations between the Organisers of the ERC EVENTS with EEL

When the Press Release of the WRCC came to our knowledge, we put the same question to all ERC Organisers:

''What happens now? Where do we stand and what are the steps to follow?''

After our request, with regard to what will be the next steps, on 2 October 2012 Mr Radovan Novak replies and clarifies by email to all organisers:

''I will tell you the next steps. Eurosport will negotiate with every organizer about 2013 season and those accept the financial conditions will be in ERC.''

For us, everything is more clear and explained. The EEL would contact all the Organising Clubs of the 2012 ERC Rallies, proposing the financial conditions and whoever accepts and has a budget, their rally will be part of the 2013 European Championship!

It has ceased to be a sporting question, or organizational matter, well or poorly executed event, of long or short history in the ERC, better or worse classified by the Observers, etc, etc, and has become a financial question regarding the acceptance or rejection of the financial contract proposed by Eurosport. Ins short, the event organisers who accept the contractual conditions, will have their competition included in the 2013 ERC. That would be the prevailing guarantee.

[PLuto]

4 – Proposal of the EEL

In spite of the various emails sent and of various requests made, the Organising Body of the Rali Vinho Madeira has never received nor been contacted, officially and formally, by anyone responsible at the EEL, and up to the present date is unaware of the financial nor contractual conditions which the EEL will demand of the Club Sports da Madeira in order to be part of the 2013 ERC Calendar. Furthermore, we have been requesting for a presentation of the proposal, since it will be the Regional Government of Madeira which decides over its financial support and the keeping of the Rali Vinho Madeira in the 2013 European Championship and future ERC editions.

We reaffirm that we have never been presented with nor been communicated regarding any financial proposal from the part of the EEL, as was agreed with FIA. As a matter of fact, we particularly alerted Mr. Marcello Lotti, Mr. Jonathan Ashman, Mr. Radovan Novak, Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, and the President of the Regional Government of Madeira, to the fact that we had not yet been contacted for the presentation of the financial conditions of the EEL.

5 – Provisional Calendar of the 2013 ERC

It was with enormous surprise that we learned of the Press Release of 5 November from the EEL with the 2013 Provisional FIA European Rally Championship Calendar, where our Event, the 2013 Rali Vinho Madeira – is not included, and where it states that all the Organising Clubs of the Rallies of the European Championship were contacted, which is simply not true!

From our part, we reaffirm that that we have not been officially contacted and we are totally unaware of any financial conditions demanded by the EEL.

We immediately sent an email to Mr. Jonathan Ashman, Mr. Marcello Lotti, Mr. Radovan Novak and Mr. Luiz Pinto Freitas, indicating our grave displeasure and humiliation that an Organization which has for the last 34 years been in the European Championship, had been excluded by the EEL and, to our astonishment, that in the provisional calendar appeared the 'SATA Azores Rally', an event which has never been part of the European Championship, only as a European Cup, and, in recent years, been in the IRC.

In addition, on the November 7th, 2012, addressed to our Clerk of the Course, Mr. Pedro Araújo, we received an email from Mr. François Ribeiro, stating that they were surprised by our position since Mr. Marcello Lotti had spoken by telephone to Mr. José Paulo Fontes and explained to him the situation of the Portuguese round of ERC, and that Mr. Luiz Pinto de Freitas, president o the Portuguese Federation of Automobilism and Karting (FPAK) was also contacted regarding the EEL decision.

It is clear in the email from François Ribeiro that EEL first decided which was the Portuguese competition that would be included in the 2013 ERC calendar, and only tried later to explain the decision by telephone, without ever contacting Rali Vinho Madeira and giving the possibility of having a say on the matter.

Up to the present date, there has been no contact with Rali Vinho Madeira with the presentation of the terms of the contract to be signed with EEL, by which we always exercise our rightful position in the presence of FIA – Rallies Commission.




6 – Explanation for the inclusion of the 'SATA Azores Rally' and the exclusion of the 'Madeira Wine Rally.'

As we have affirmed and maintained in this position statement, in no communication by FIA is it stated that the IRC rallies have any predominant rights over the ERC events. In fact, if any trophy were defunct, it was the IRC. FIA signed an agreement with EEL for the Promotion of the 2013 ERC, not for the 2013 IRC. There are no existing rights nor contracts still valid with Events of the 2012 IRC. To declare that ''Azores was under IRC Promoter Agreement with Eurosports Events until end of 2012 with a privileged position for 2013'' is superimposing an IRC Event, which has no authority over the ERC calendar, to the detriment of the Rali Vinho Madeira, which is in its own right and has been in the European Championship for 34 years. Not having IRC in 2013 is no legal foundation for the extension of such contract. Besides, this can never be accepted as an justification for not contacting Club Sports da Madeira.

Stating that ''The Açores local Government indicated us their intention to renew their support to the Rali Sata Açores Event Promoter, and enhanced their financial contribution to upgrade TV signal from highlights package live broadcast operations in 2013'' cannot be an argument, because that was, and is, the motto and justification for our insistence for the presentation of the terms and conditions of the Financial Agreement to be established. This is order for the matter to be submitted for review by the Regional Government of Madeira and a decision made with regard to the financial support to the 2013 edition of Rali Vinho Madeira. In this new context, Eurosport Events Limited would relegated simply to promote the Rali Vinho Madeira ERC event and its organisation.

Conclusion:

For the reasons stated above, and for the formal contact on the part of EEL regarding the presentation of the proposal for the rightful inclusion of the Rali Vinho Madeira in the 2013 ERC, we will dully appeal to FIA and FPAK, in the terms of this expounding statement and exercising its rights as organiser of the event, conveying our position to the President of the Regional Government of Madeira, to the International Sporting Authorities and to all the event organisers of the FIA European Championship.


Madeira, November 12, 2012

Club Sports da Madeira
Organisers of ERC Event – Rali Vinho Madeira.

[polo10]

I think it is ashame that Vinho Madeira is not in erc 2013 calendar, one of the oldest ERC rallys, and definitly one of the best, nou doubt of that, they deserve to be there because of all the things i said before and also the passion for the rally of Madeira's people. But they don t know if they would be cappable (euros) to do the event, so i don t understande this position, it is too late....

[Jack4688`]

Eurosport don't seem to have conducted themselves particularly courteously - what with it all (seemingly) being down to money - but on the other hand Rali Vinho da Madeira look like they're clutching at straws. Unfortunate that the rally isn't on the calendar but the ERC should have a healthy split between surfaces and sadly some good rallies will fall by the wayside - unless there was a 24 event calendar!

Maybe to make the ERC great they should give less consideration to geographical split and all that boring s***. I'd much prefer to see the best rallies in europe outside of the WRC on the calendar and if that meant two in Portugal, three in Italy, none in The Balkans etc etc then who cares??? Even if there were none in my home country I would still be watching great competition on tv at the best events out there.

[muratgunarslan]

Pluto; do you know anything about Bosphorus Rally and ERC?

[werner]

Thanks PLuto for posting. Madeira has an offer to be in Regional Championship (that nobody likes ...) with new Coef. 20, as an "official" canditate for ERC 2014 ... I know Madeira Rally, was there several times, and I think one point is correct, that Acores never was ERC (Coef20) in past, and they are inside ERC 2013, and Madeira not. Maybe due to gravel, who knows. Eurosport as Promoter seems is in higher position as FIA to decide that things, and as I now, FIA search also for Promotor for other series like Middle East.

Its a difficult situation, as Portugal has WRC and two candidates for ERC. One has to step down. The big confusion is, that FIA confirmed in August that nothing changes, and one month later IRC and ERC merge. But I think also, like San Remo and Valais, there was time, and its still time, to discuss about, it exists no official final ERC Calendar for 2013.

[Luis Pacheco]

Don´t forget that Madeira had a dispute with Eurosport in 2011. And at the time the statements by the president of the club were not very friendly, inclusive said he (Madeira Rallye) did not need the IRC.

[Luis Pacheco]

that Acores never was ERC (Coef20) in past, and they are inside ERC 2013, and Madeira not. Its a diffic.

They say Azores never belonged to the ERC. Is not true. Was there since 1992. Never had the coeff.20 because at that time only one rallye per country were allowed with the maximum coefficient.

[PLuto]

Pluto; do you know anything about Bosphorus Rally and ERC?

There is a chance for Bosphorus Rally to be one of the summer gravel events in ERC...

[PLuto]

But I think also, like San Remo and Valais, there was time, and its still time, to discuss about, it exists no official final ERC Calendar for 2013.

It is not completely the same. This actual version of calendar was published as working version and I dont think there is another place for tarmac event. And it is completely different from situation with Sanremo and Valais as they were in their slots in calendar from beginning...

[V.Gatev]

Bosphorus Rally is one of best gravel events in Europe. The stages are fantastic, so i will happy to see Boshporus in calendar.

[Luis Pacheco]

The European Rally Cup?
A new competition in which should include rallyes apart from the ERC in fusion with the IRC.

Madeira na European Rally Cup - Autosport.pt (http://autosport.sapo.pt/madeira-na-european-rally-cup=f109375#comments)

[PLuto]

European Rally Cup is there for few years, actually separated into some regions. But nobody is interested in it...

[Kielder]

European Rally Cup is there for few years, actually separated into some regions. But nobody is interested in it...

The gap between the new ERC and the European Rally Cup 2013 will be wider than the one that there was between the IRC and the old ERC when the first was created.
As is said in the article, there'll be only a few drivers who will run this Cup (as it happened in the old ERC). The National Championships will more interesting and cheaper. It will be difficult for the rallies to promote to the ERC too.

[Luis Pacheco]

European Rally Cup is there for few years, actually separated into some regions. But nobody is interested in it...

The cups per region ceases to make room for only one cup.

[tommeke_B]

The gap between the new ERC and the European Rally Cup 2013 will be wider than the one that there was between the IRC and the old ERC when the first was created.
As is said in the article, there'll be only a few drivers who will run this Cup (as it happened in the old ERC). The National Championships will more interesting and cheaper. It will be difficult for the rallies to promote to the ERC too.
I think there will always be more candidates than places on the calendar. ;) Wouldn't really worry about that...

[Kielder]

I think there will always be more candidates than places on the calendar. ;) Wouldn't really worry about that...

That's what I meant. The article says that the rallies included in the European Rally Cup will have the chance to be in the calendar of the European Rally Championship in the future. From my point of view, they will have a few possibilities, at least in the short term. If we think about the coef. 20 rallies, I won't consider Vinho Madeira and Asturias due to their economic problems. The other ones with the same rank are 1000 Miglia, Bulgária and Bosforo. If anyone of them is included in a future calendar, which current rally should we eliminate?
There will always exist a good calendar. I don't worry about that, on the contrary I'm really delighted with the new Championship. :)

[Luis Pacheco]

Eurosport announced to the organization of Rally Madeira that in 2014 the event could be in the ERC if they have available one million euros.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7kpkqkQ_s0

[stefanvv]

Eurosport announced to the organization of Rally Madeira that in 2014 the event could be in the ERC since came forward with a million euros.

I thought Eurosport wants more gravel events :D

[Kielder]

Paulo Sousa first says that the problem was the people who currently lead Europort. Then, he talks about the money. So, what's the deal?

[muratgunarslan]

Bosphorus Rally is one of best gravel events in Europe. The stages are fantastic, so i will happy to see Boshporus in calendar.

You said absolutely right. Most recently last year, I drove at ERC Bosphorus, stages are wonderful.

[rallyfiend]

I thought Eurosport wants more gravel events :D

If there's one million euros available, they'll run whatever surface they can.

[V.Gatev]

I read rumors about future participation of M-Sport team with drivers Ott Tanak and Robert Kubica with Fiesta RRC. Some news about that?

[Raven]

Eurosport announced to the organization of Rally Madeira that in 2014 the event could be in the ERC if they have available one million euros.

If that's true, it looks like Eurosport Events promotion of ERC will be very "exclusive". I'm not sure that's the right direction, but for some it's only business. Let's hope it won't make ERC a championship for the richest.

What about any other ideas for ERC (like jwrc or pwrc, but cheaper)? Of course it should be promoted, we don't need another title that will be visible only in season's final classification.

[PLuto]

I read rumors about future participation of M-Sport team with drivers Ott Tanak and Robert Kubica with Fiesta RRC. Some news about that?

I was writing somewhere here yesterday - this rumour is not new, it is old for few weeks and it is possible. But there are some troubles in last days, so we must wait...

[Allar]

I read rumors about future participation of M-Sport team with drivers Ott Tanak and Robert Kubica with Fiesta RRC. Some news about that?
If its true then they will use R5 Fiestas not RRC...

[Mirek]

Isn't R5 going to be homologated only in April?

[bluuford]

Isn't R5 going to be homologated only in April?
M-sport says that it goes for sale in April and it will be showed to public in January. So, I guess the firts couple of months will be reserved for official drivers to promote the car?

[evoIX]

Only 43 days until the first rally for the ERC and Austrian Rally Championship."Werner"
do you know something about the fastest Austrian rally drivers Harrach,Baumschlager,Stohl.......will be any changes in 2013,cars,plans?

[evoIX]

Only 43 days until the first rally for the ERC and Austrian Rally Championship.
"Werner",do you know something about the fastest Austrian rally drivers Harrach,Baumschlager,Stohl.......will be any changes in 2013,cars,plans?

[clior3]

I have some information from M-Sport. They will homologate the car in March-April and after that they will sell it.

[werner]

Only 43 days until the first rally for the ERC and Austrian Rally Championship.
"Werner",do you know something about the fastest Austrian rally drivers Harrach,Baumschlager,Stohl.......will be any changes in 2013,cars,plans?

I dont think there will be any changes in Cars/Drivers combinations. There is not so much time between Waldviertel Rally - last race 2012 - and Jänner Rallye to organize new projects.

[Georgi]

Some indication appeared that FIA is planning to make second (lower) European rally championship in 2013 with rallies from the regional cups (coeff. 20, 10, 5, 2 rallies).

Someone with more information ?

[PLuto]

Some indication appeared that FIA is planning to make second (lower) European rally championship in 2013 with rallies from the regional cups (coeff. 20, 10, 5, 2 rallies).

Someone with more information ?

I was writing it in lot of places and many times in last few days/weeks. There will be European Rally Cup again, but now not separated into regions like in last years, but all events will be together and separated only by coefficients (20, 10, 5). For sure it will not be European Rally Championship (like lot of organisers and people around were using also in actual European Rally Cups), but it will be still "the same" European Rally Cup...

[tolis]

I was writing it in lot of places and many times in last few days/weeks. There will be European Rally Cup again, but now not separated into regions like in last years, but all events will be together and separated only by coefficients (20, 10, 5). For sure it will not be European Rally Championship (like lot of organisers and people around were using also in actual European Rally Cups), but it will be still "the same" European Rally Cup...
Do you know how many events will it include and when the calendar will be published, PLuto?

[stefanvv]

Probably Eurosport should anounce the final main ERC calendar first :confused:

[werner]

I think that Europ Regional Rally Cup Calendar will have no surprises. All ERC events from 2012 who are not in 2013 Calendar will have Coef. 20, and you can watch the 2012 Cup, there you find the Coef 10 and 5. With some small + and -. Coef 10 like Saturnus, Bohemia etc.

[PLuto]

Werner is correct. There will be all "not chosen ERC rounds" and events from European Rally Cup this year. So I expect 20-25 events?

[Georgi]

Eurosport is taking too much time to announce the final calendar for 2013. Ok, the first 5 rounds are pretty much sure but there is no regulations published so far and from the second part of the calendar you can see only Ypres, Barum, Poland and Du Valais confirmed. 4 out of 13 rallies still pending...

The big question stands: who would be the two gravel rounds in July ?

Can Croatia and San Remo be confirmed ?

For Croatia the remark was *Subject to ASN confirmation and government approval... What this means? For my understanding they are still waiting for some money from the Croatian government so the ASN can confirm to Eurosport their agreement.

For San Remo I understand the remark ***Pending confirmation of support from Regione Liguria...same story!

The situation with the European Rally Cups - absolutely unknown and not any sign of official information about them!

[Mirek]

I think that with Croatia it's more complex question. There were talks about moving the rally to another location (again).

[Georgi]

I think that with Croatia it's more complex question. There were talks about moving the rally to another location (again).

Good to know that!
They have to decide soon ...

[PLuto]

Stars target ERC rides in 2013 (http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=847)

[muratgunarslan]

Stars target ERC rides in 2013 (http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=847)
Pluto, what is the last sitution about 2013 ERC Calender?
Are there any news about empty gravel rounds?

[pucky54]

M. Wallenwein plans to do ERC 2013

[Georgi]

Pluto, what is the last sitution about 2013 ERC Calender?
Are there any news about empty gravel rounds?

Most probably the complete FIA calendar for 2013 will be issued somewhere in the middle of December.

I wish the Bosphorus rally will be in ERC 2013 calendar! Fantastic gravel rally for drivers and spectators.

[Raven]

Does anybodoy know what was the cost for the rally to be in IRC and what is know in ERC?

[werner]

Does anybodoy know what was the cost for the rally to be in IRC and what is know in ERC?

I think in past IRC, and now ERC is quite similar. Most of the costs are due to TV Coverage Eurosport, and I think Monte had much more costs when they made live coverage whole day, and another rally with one live stage should be cheaper. Some numbers were posted here in past, but as average you should calculate 200K only to have payed the Promotor. The costs of the Rally are extra ...

[PLuto]

Juho Hanninen finished at Skoda, Kopecky and Lappi will be lineup in 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14647)

[Bartek]

Juho Hanninen finished at Skoda, Kopecky and Lappi will be lineup in 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14647)

Next step for Juho is WRC? He deserve for this challenge

[Mirek]

Juho Hanninen finished at Skoda, Kopecky and Lappi will be lineup in 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14647)

It was expected but in some way it's sad for me. Hopefully Juho can find the way to WRC. Fingers crossed.

[RS]

Sad to lose Juho from Skoda. They have been great for each other. I hope to see Juho get a proper WRC factory drive in the future, and I hope Skoda give Kopecky a proper ERC programme too.

[Tom206wrc]

Rumour of François Delecour entering ERC 2013 with Peugeot Kronos... ;)

[muratgunarslan]

Rumour of François Delecour entering ERC 2013 with Peugeot Kronos... ;)
great news :up:

[pucky54]

great news :up:

I would say: Great rumors ;)

[tommeke_B]

Maybe you should say: Great invention from someone on a French forum. ;)

Delecour has been seen talking with Marc Van Dalen and with someone from Peugeot Sport. That's al there is known now... Between wanting to do something and doing something, there is a big difference (especially in a sport as expensive as rallying).

[tolis]

Christian Riedemann wants to do 6-8 ERC rounds next year in his Citroen DS3 R3T: Riedemann chyst nvrat na mezinrodn scnu (http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=13947)

[makinen_fan]

According to Motorsport News twitter account:

World Motor Sport Council news: FIA will introduce qualifying stages for gravel @FIAERC events next season #ERC #rally

FIA WMSC has also approved two-wheel-drive #ERC championships for drivers and teams #rally

[A FONDO]

I thought the meeting was scheduled for Friday. Has it been held today? How much official is this account?

[PLuto]

2WD ERC championship was approved few weeks ago. About qualifying stages on gravel in ERC there was big discussion, but it looks like they will put it into ERC. For your info, qualify stage was used last year on Rajd Polski (ERC).

[PLuto]

Also Vitaliy Pushkar is planning ERC in 2013 - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14660)

[makinen_fan]

I thought the meeting was scheduled for Friday. Has it been held today? How much official is this account?

World Motor Sport Council 2012 | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-2012)

[PLuto]

ERC calendar was officially approved today. We will see the final version, last rumours says about San Marino and Bosphorus as secret gravel events.

[A FONDO]

The Regional Rally Championship calendars for 2013 were also approved.



Please somebody copy/paste them here when he find them

[clior3]

Yes, San Marino and Bosphorus take the last places. News from my friends in Turkey! Formula 1 also will go to Istanbul in 2013!

[RS]

Any news on Luca Rossetti's plans for 2013? It would be nice to see him back in new and improved ERC :)

[steffforno]

Maybe in Erc Will run Tanak..

[PLuto]

Yes, San Marino and Bosphorus take the last places. News from my friends in Turkey! Formula 1 also will go to Istanbul in 2013!

I know it, but before it is officially published I can tell only "last rumours"...

[aykutbilir]

F1 is still not confirmed cos of the amount of money pay to Ecc. But we have confirmed that ERC deal is ok. :)

[Georgi]

So the calendar should look like this:



1
JÄNNERRALLYE (AUSTRIA)
3-5 January
ASPHALT SNOW


2
RALLY LIEPĀJA-VENTSPILS (LATVIA)
1-3 February
GRAVEL SNOW


3
CIRCUIT OF IRELAND RALLY (UK)
28-30 March
ASPHALT


4
SATA RALLYE AÇORES (PORTUGAL)
25-27 April
GRAVEL


5
GIRU DI CORSICA-TOUR DE CORSE (FRANCE)
16-18 May
ASPHALT


6
CROATIA RALLY
6-8 June
ASPHALT


7
GEKO YPRES RALLY (BELGIUM)
27-29 June
ASPHALT



8
* San Marino or Bosphorus ???
11-13 July
GRAVEL


9
* Bosphorus or San Marino ???
25-27 July
GRAVEL


10
BARUM CZECH RALLY ZLÍN
30 August-1 September
ASPHALT


11
RALLY POLAND
27-29 September
GRAVEL


12
RALLYE SANREMO (ITALY)
10-12 October
ASPHALT


13
RALLYE INT.L DU VALAIS (SWITZERLAND)
7-9 November
ASPHALT

[RS]

The final version is pretty good, I must say.

[Georgi]

Pretty diverse calendar. It's created to catch the interest of as many as possible different countries.

The only question for me is the date of San Marino and Bosphorus.

[Jarek Z]

Whoever wants as many as 13 rounds is beyond my understanding. How can anyone be such an idiot?

[werner]

If we believe Italian Calendar, San Marino should be 11-13 July. So Bosphorus ...

[werner]

Whoever wants as many as 13 rounds is beyond my understanding. How can anyone be such an idiot?

There are many interests to have that number of races. There are still missing some traditional events, but we have to wait what the "new" Regional Rally Cup will show us next years. Maybe there is a solution to have maximum 10 ERC with that kind of TV Coverage (live), and a random number of "2nd" class ERCup who have every year the chance to step up to ERC to replace another not so successful race.

[PLuto]

Also Hannes Danzinger will do ERC - he is planning 6 events with Clio R3.

[Sulland]

Will the erc-rally or IRC page form the basis for the 2013 ERC official webpage?

If a new one, when can we expect launch?

[Adler]

Also Hannes Danzinger will do ERC - he is planning 6 events with Clio R3.
Can you tell me the source resp. which car (Schlager car again?)?

[pucky54]

which car (Schlager car again?)?

yes

[CWJ]

Can you tell me the source resp. which car (Schlager car again?)?

Source:

Danzinger startet in der Rallye-EM*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/12/06/danzinger-startert-in-der-rallye-em/index.html)

[PLuto]

He was not using Clio R3 from Schlager in 2012...

[Adler]

He was not using Clio R3 from Schlager in 2012...

at SanRemo it was Schlager car for sure.

[pucky54]

at SanRemo it was Schlager car for sure.

No

[Adler]

No

IRC: Sanremo-Rallye - 2012 - Rallye - motorline.cc (http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/2012/IRC/IRC-Sanremo-Rallye-IRC-Premiere-von-Hannes-Danzinger-172711.html)

it was for sure first rallye with the new Schlager Clio

[Mirek]

IRC: Sanremo-Rallye - 2012 - Rallye - motorline.cc (http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/2012/IRC/IRC-Sanremo-Rallye-IRC-Premiere-von-Hannes-Danzinger-172711.html)

it was for sure first rallye with the new Schlager Clio

The car had Czech plate 11R 0116 which is car of Montcar Autosport (Petr Brynda). Maybe Schlager bought it from Brynda? I know Brynda wanted to sell it...

[Adler]

The car had Czech plate 11R 0116 which is car of Montcar Autosport (Petr Brynda). Maybe Schlager bought it from Brynda? I know Brynda wanted to sell it...
That might be, I just know for sure Sclager made Service, so I expected it was his car too, because he said he is looking for a fast driver for his new build Clio....but anyway I am happy for Hannes That he made a step up, nothing more to proove for him in Austria in 2 WD.

[PLuto]

I know that Schlager was building new Clio, but car on Sanremo was from Montcar Autosport. Now only speculation from my side, but maybe that new Clio was not ready in time? Schlager was primary servicing car for Kogler in Sanremo...

[pucky54]

IRC: Sanremo-Rallye - 2012 - Rallye - motorline.cc (http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/2012/IRC/IRC-Sanremo-Rallye-IRC-Premiere-von-Hannes-Danzinger-172711.html)

it was for sure first rallye with the new Schlager Clio

Danzinger's car was definately not new, it was well used, prepared and serviced by Montcar Autosport in Sanremo. Schlager was running Kogler's Clio. Teams were also separated in service park...

[Adler]

Danzinger's car was definately not new, it was well used, prepared and serviced by Montcar Autosport in Sanremo. Schlager was running Kogler's Clio. Teams were also separated in service park...
that would mean all press releases were wrong resp. Kogler is running his car by his own team, teamboss is his father...i will ask Eddy when I meet him in service park next time....just because I´m a little curious now :)

[Mirek]

I found a Czech article about the story from Sanremo written by a friend of Eddy. The new car was not ready in time so they rented car of Montcar Autosport. Case closed ;)

[WRC1]

that would mean all press releases were wrong resp. Kogler is running his car by his own team, teamboss is his father...i will ask Eddy when I meet him in service park next time....just because I´m a little curious now :)

regarding kogler adler is 100% right, kogler (father) is the owner of the clio and also the service is made by him (with 2 mechanics from schlager) but they work for kogler!

btw the kogler clio is for sale, kogler will run a ds3 next year....

[Adler]

I found a Czech article about the story from Sanremo written by a friend of Eddy. The new car was not ready in time so they rented car of Montcar Autosport. Case closed ;)
thx....CIS Praha ;)

[mousti]

Autohebdo is reporting that in the next week the car should be decided of Delecour for ERC. Let's see how true that is, soon..

[PLuto]

This rumour is going through internet for a few weeks. We will see if Francois will be successful with any of possible projects...

[mousti]

That's what I meant with seeing how true it is. Every year there are rumours that he's going to start in Ypres, never saw him driving here the last 10 years :D

[Georgi]

I have sudden calendar update.... Bosphorus is OUT and Sibiu is IN.

Don't know the reason.

11-13 July - San Marino
25-27 July - Sibiu

[PLuto]

Sibiu was the hottest favourite from beginning, despite lot of people doesnt want to have it there. In last weeks were lot of pushes from Bosphorus, but it looks like Sibiu will be there....

[werner]

Hermann Neubauer is doing 2WD ERC 2013 (7 rounds) with Suzuki Swift S1600.

[muratgunarslan]

I have sudden calendar update.... Bosphorus is OUT and Sibiu is IN.

Don't know the reason.

11-13 July - San Marino
25-27 July - Sibiu
reason is budget.
turkish federastion couldn't pay the 250.000 Euros

[PLuto]

But official calendar still wasnt published yet...

[PLuto]

Some short article about Neubauer - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14675)

[Jarek Z]

Who the hell needs Sibiu Rally?!?!??!

[Jarek Z]

I have sudden calendar update.... Bosphorus is OUT and Sibiu is IN.

What? Who the hell needs Sibiu Rally?!?!??!

[clior3]

Stupid Eurosport, Stupid FIA - Bosphorus Rally is fantastic event, Sibiu is full of s**t!

[PLuto]

It is not only about money, but Romanian drivers are also more interested in doing ERC / IRC races abroad...

[Jarek Z]

Romanian drivers are also more interested in doing ERC / IRC races abroad...

... and this is the reason to present their country with ERC round? Does Santa Claus come earlier in Romania this year?

[tommeke_B]

Are really all people here prejudged about Sibiu Rally because the stages were a bit too rough this year? Or are there more things you don't like?

[WRC1]

i was at Rally Sibiu this year and it was a fantastic event! freat atmosphere, friendly people, very very good and affordable food, and last but not least fantastic gravel stages in a stunning landscape!! sure the stages where a bit rough on the second pass, but i mikkelssen and many other showed that it is possible to drive fast and make it to the finish as well, i was also spectating in acropolis once and in zyprus and i can tell you that sibiu is by far not that rough as these two car breakers!!!

I think also ERC needs one of this slow gravel events where not only the speed counts but as well a little bit tactic and feeling how fast you can drive on bad rouds...

welcome Sibiu in ERC!!

[cosmin_sb]

i have seen some people which are against the Sibiu Rally but I think everyone has his reason....
Marco Tempestini will make 6 or 7 rounds from ERC with Subaru R4. His soon , Simone will make also some rounds.

[mousti]

i have seen some people which are against the Sibiu Rally but I think everyone has his reason....
Marco Tempestini will make 6 or 7 rounds from ERC with Subaru R4. His soon , Simone will make also some rounds.
Any program of him released yet? :)

[muratgunarslan]

But official calendar still wasnt published yet...
when will publish?

[Georgi]

The calendar will be published officially this Friday.
There will be new site specially for the ERC 2013.

[Jarek Z]

Are really all people here prejudged about Sibiu Rally because the stages were a bit too rough this year? Or are there more things you don't like?

I don't know what the stages of Sibiu Rally are like. I know nothing about this event. But one thing I know for sure. Nobody needs as many as 13 round in ERC.

[Georgi]

i have seen some people which are against the Sibiu Rally but I think everyone has his reason....
Marco Tempestini will make 6 or 7 rounds from ERC with Subaru R4. His soon , Simone will make also some rounds.

Marco Tempestini drove a Fiesta S2000 in an Italian gravel rally few weeks ago.
I think there is a chance to see him in S2000 car as well.
Probably he prefers the Subaru as it is, maybe, easier for him to drive it.

[muratgunarslan]

last news ... San Marino i Sibiu w mistrzostwach Europy - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/san-marino-i-sibiu-w-mistrzostwach-europy,46277)

[Georgi]

I heard only good words about the gravel at Bosphorus rally but maybe it's about the money in this case. Also it is true that Romanian drivers are more interested in the ERC than the Turkish ones.

On another hand I heard only bad opinions about the gravel at Sibiu rally. Drivers desribe it "hard as hell" and "impossible to drive fast". But maybe the organizers will change some stages...

To bring back participants in the European rally championship FIA must bring less rounds but more quality rallies that can attract even some private teams.

With 13 rounds I get the feeling that the money from the organizers are top priority from Eurosport.

[RS]

I don't understand the constant criticsm of Eurosport for "chasing money". The championship costs money to run and they are not a charity. It would be lovely if we could choose a calendar based solely on romantic ideas but we live in the real world.

We still have some great and classic rallies in there though; Sanremo and Corsica, some 'modern classics' (Ypres and Barum), we would have Monte Carlo too if it weren't for ACM in my opinion making the wrong decision a couple of years ago...

[muratgunarslan]

I heard only good words about the gravel at Bosphorus rally but maybe it's about the money in this case. Also it is true that Romanian drivers are more interested in the ERC than the Turkish ones.

stages are wonderful. very fast. not breaker. no damage to car. wash the car and go to home.
gravel drivers love and also tarmac drivers love the stages.
used at 2007 IRC, 2008 IRC, 2009 ERC, 2010 WRC, 2011 ERC and 2012 ERC ;)

[PLuto]

last news ... San Marino i Sibiu w mistrzostwach Europy - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/san-marino-i-sibiu-w-mistrzostwach-europy,46277)

This article is made on basis of info in this forum...

[Jarek Z]

This article is made on basis of info in this forum...

Yes. And it happens quite often :)

[Jarek Z]

I don't understand the constant criticsm of Eurosport for "chasing money". The championship costs money to run and they are not a charity. It would be lovely if we could choose a calendar based solely on romantic ideas but we live in the real world.

And in this real world, does anybody need ERC consisting of 13 rounds?

[PLuto]

And in this real world, does anybody need ERC consisting of 13 rounds?

I think that ideal number should be 7-8 events. But it is about money...

[Georgi]

Yes, I support the idea of a strong championship with 8 rounds.
Counting the best 6 results from 8 rallies.

[EightGear]

Kubica is very close to signing a deal with M-Sport.

[Georgi]

Kubica is very close to signing a deal with M-Sport.

Very good news ! Interesting entry into the serious European rallying.

[RS]

Yes, I support the idea of a strong championship with 8 rounds.
Counting the best 6 results from 8 rallies.

If it was 8 rallies I would make all 8 count. Not keen on dropped scores only because they make it difficult for the average man on the street to understand championship standings.

[Jarek Z]

Kubica is very close to signing a deal with M-Sport.

For ERC???

[Jarek Z]

Not keen on dropped scores only because they make it difficult for the average man on the street to understand championship standings.

Yes, they are already too complicate!

[EightGear]

For ERC???

Yes

[PLuto]

Kubica and Tanak were very close to signing for ERC with M-Sport about one month ago. It is question how actual is the situation now...

[AndyRAC]

Just seen on Twitter; Ireland is out, replaced by Canarias.....

Think that's a mistake.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldsonGeorge

[cosmin_sb]

Sibiu Rally is in the ERC 2013.

[RS]

Just seen on Twitter; Ireland is out, replaced by Canarias.....

Think that's a mistake.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldsonGeorge

I don't mind the Canarias event, nice scenery and it always produced close fights, but it is a shame to see Ireland out.

[PLuto]

It is confirmed, Canary in, Ireland out - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14679)

[mousti]

Tomorrow finally official calendar, and hopefully with no changes..

[Jarek Z]

It is confirmed, Canary in, Ireland out - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14679)

Another super expensive event in the calendar. Have they lost their minds???

[PLuto]

Another super expensive event in the calendar. Have they lost their minds???

This is question if for normal European teams is more expensive Canarias or Ireland...

[106 sport]

Gran Canaria deserves it

Yeahhhhhh

[Nelly]

Gran Canaria deserves it

Yeahhhhhh

They moaned and winged enough so they got their way!!! I'm gutted I was counting the days to the circuit but what can ya do Europe seems to **** on us here in Ireland this is just another kick in the balls!!!

[106 sport]

I don't mind the Canarias event, nice scenery and it always produced close fights, but it is a shame to see Ireland out.Yes.Mainly, nice scenery.Besides short diferences beetwen top drivers.Regards

[Kielder]

Canarias in the ERC will be an equivalent rally to Catalunya in the WRC: a tarmac rally, nothing else.
We are loosing again a unique event in one of the two highest steps of rallying. I'll keep the Circuit of Ireland's highlights of last year like a golden treasure, as I do with WRC Rally of Ireland 2007 & 2009.
There are shadowy and dubious interests behind this decision...

[Georgi]

Nothing against the rally but I think the Canaries are closer to Africa than to Europe.
OK most probably some will say that this rally has it's long history into the ERC but if you look at it on the map in this financial situation it's a nightmare for the smaller teams's budgets.

Who needs so expensive rallies ?

The money interests are completely destroying the rally-sport.

[Georgi]

The new FIA ERC website should start working today.

[werner]

Gran Canaria was (and I think its still) a famous Rally. I was there many times, but as I wrote in past, its not necessary to have expensive Rallies like Acores, Canaria or Madeira in ERC Calendar where Organizer hope to have many private teams from whole europe. Madeira is out, but maybe 2014 In again, so ... Ireland ... yes, maybe same expensive but not so far away and its possible to go from central europe by car and ship in 2 days. I made Manx Rally in 90ies from Austria by car in 24 hours.

[werner]

Website coming soon - FIA European Rally Championship (http://www.fiaerc.com) ... now online.

[Jarek Z]

I've just read a Polish article, that is based on the news from Autosport, saying that M-Sport Ford Fiesta RRC in ERC is the most possible option for Kubica. However, nothing has been signed yet.
Autosport: Kubica b (http://www.sport.pl/F1/1,96398,13048611,Autosport__Kubica_bedzie_scigal_s ie_Fiesta__Wystartuje.html#BoxSportTxt)

[Georgi]

The official website is active now.

No other information except the calendar.

Website coming soon - FIA European Rally Championship (http://www.fiaerc.com/)

[Mirek]

I don't understand why always some people try to find some über conspiracy or shadow interests behind everything. Most likely organization of CoI just didn't find budget to be part of the series or didn't agree to Eurosport conditions and therefore their event was replaced. Hardly it's something else and in no way it has anything to do with some ****ting on the Irish from mainland Europe. That's just ridiculous.

[Jarek Z]

The official website is active now.
No other information except the calendar.


I have just had a closer look at the calendar. And I'm very disappointed. The championship is not expensive enough! 13 events and only 3 on far islands? Don't you think that to Canaries, Acores and Corsika also Madeira, Manx Rally, Rally Faroe Islands and something in Iceland should be added? :/

[RS]

I don't understand why always some people try to find some über conspiracy or shadow interests behind everything. Most likely organization of CoI just didn't find budget to be part of the series

Correct:

Ireland loses European Rally Championship place to Canaries - IRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104820)

Like I said before Eurosport is not a charity. For sure they want the most attractive and balanced calendar but it has to be paid for. What I find a greater shame is that often some of the better events and better drivers are the ones who struggle to find any funding.

[werner]

There is a TV Schedule published for 1st race - Jänner Rallye:

Friday 4 January 2013
Highlights Day One: 22:45hrs-23:15hrs (Eurosport2)
Highlights Day One: 24:00hrs-24:30hrs (Eurosport)
Saturday 5 January 2013
Highlights Day One: 07:00hrs-07:30hrs (Eurosport2)
Highlights Day One: 08:45hrs-09h15 (Eurosport)
Rally Review: 23:30hrs-24:00hrs (Eurosport)
Sunday 6 January 2013
Rally Review: 07:00hrs-07:30hrs (Eurosport2)
Tuesday 8 January 2013
Inside ERC: 23:45hrs-24:15hrs (Eurosport)

Nothing special. Leg 1 review approx 20 minutes, Leg 2 review approx 20 minutes. Thats it.

[Nelly]

I don't understand why always some people try to find some über conspiracy or shadow interests behind everything. Most likely organization of CoI just didn't find budget to be part of the series or didn't agree to Eurosport conditions and therefore their event was replaced. Hardly it's something else and in no way it has anything to do with some ****ting on the Irish from mainland Europe. That's just ridiculous.

I know I was just really disappointed last night, still am but what can ya do that's life

[A FONDO]

Nothing special. Leg 1 review approx 20 minutes, Leg 2 review approx 20 minutes. Thats it.

There's no Leg 2 review, it's "Rally review" which means 5 to 10 minutes repeat of Day 1 shots. So in raw calculation, without ads and interviews with common talks, for the whole event we get 30 minutes of action (only the top 4-5 cars + leader of 2wd + coupla spectacular crashes) for 300 000 euro - 10 000 euros per minute :D :D :D

[Mintexmemory]

So, no ERC round in the British Isles, fortunately I can get to Ypres easier and cheaper than I could N I. No wonder Brits don't feel European - such occurrences can only reinforce our sense of apartness. On a bright note the 2014 Tour de France starts in the well-known department of Yorkshire, "eeee Sacray blurrr, lad!"

[AndyRAC]

I was hoping and expecting that the new ERC would get live coverage of it’s opening round. So, the ERC will be another mix & match series regarding coverage? The Live IRC rounds were very good – the others weren’t. I hoped that this new better improved ERC would have the same coverage for each round – as that is what it really needs.

[AndyRAC]

So, no ERC round in the British Isles, fortunately I can get to Ypres easier and cheaper than I could N I. No wonder Brits don't feel European - such occurrences can only reinforce our sense of apartness. On a bright note the 2014 Tour de France starts in the well-known department of Yorkshire, "eeee Sacray blurrr, lad!"

Ha ha...

You actually raise a good issue. Both Rally Scotland and Circuit of Ireland have been dropped due to lack of financial backing . That is surely down to the sport, and it’s ‘unattractiveness’. Whereas, Welcome to Yorkshire have thought it good value to pay for the Grand Depart – as the Tour de France dwarfs anything in Rallying. As a fan of both sports it does make sense.
How long before Wales decides to bid for a cycle race – and it has been rumoured – and drops the backing of RallyGB??

[Raven]

The main probelm is that this calendar is just too expensive. There is no need for two rallies on far islands (one, if any, is enough). And the total number of events is too high, it should be something like 8 or max 10 events.
Someone is doing business and the sport is on the second place.
I just hope 2 or 3 real drivers will do the whole serie without just collecting points (like Tlustak).

[pucky54]

I have just had a closer look at the calendar. And I'm very disappointed. The championship is not expensive enough! 13 events and only 3 on far islands? Don't you think that to Canaries, Acores and Corsika also Madeira, Manx Rally, Rally Faroe Islands and something in Iceland should be added? :/

In my opinion its going the right way. This year in IRC there were seven island events, now we have three in the new ERC. Doesn't matter if we go to Ireland or Canarias, island is island. 50% of the transport costs is covered by the organizers and accomodation is for sure cheaper on Canarias as on Ireland, so I don't see your point. Both events are quite unique, its bad for Ireland to be out, but Canarias is a worthy replacement.

[noel157]

Ha ha...

You actually raise a good issue. Both Rally Scotland and Circuit of Ireland have been dropped due to lack of financial backing . That is surely down to the sport, and it’s ‘unattractiveness’. Whereas, Welcome to Yorkshire have thought it good value to pay for the Grand Depart – as the Tour de France dwarfs anything in Rallying. As a fan of both sports it does make sense.
How long before Wales decides to bid for a cycle race – and it has been rumoured – and drops the backing of RallyGB??

Don't forget the G8 shindig is coming to Northern Ireland so the public pot will be a tad on the empty side.
Be cheaper if Obama, Putin and co just used Skype..........

[Jarek Z]

In my opinion its going the right way.
(...)
I don't see your point.

If we continue to increase the costs without any control this sport will continue to die, like it does today. Rallysport has to be cheaper for competitors and organizers and more accessible to spectators. Countries like Ireland and Scotland cannot afford to host European Championship (and they are not poor countries), and you are happy about it? How come?

[Mirek]

If we continue to increase the costs without any control this sport will continue to die, like it does today. Rallysport has to be cheaper for competitors and organizers and more accessible to spectators. Countries like Ireland and Scotland cannot afford to host European Championship (and they are not poor countries), and you are happy about it? How come?

Increase is defined as to make something greater, as in number, size, strength, or quality.

We shall be fair. Number of events is same with IRC 2012, number of island events was largely reduced. Two regional championship were joined in one. That in no way can be interpreted as increase.

We must all consider that since two major championships were joined in one there were plenty of events to make the championship from. You can't just fire 3/4 of them. Even 1/2 is painful as You can see in case of Madeira and others. Complaints that there are so many events just because Eurosport wants money from them simply isn't valid in situation when there are so many wealthy enough events that some must be rejected.

I'm of course also not happy with 13 events in the calendar but let's see in the future. The first step in transition from two series to one was done and that's sure good for the sport. The others which will follow are yet unclear. Let's give them a chance.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Craig Breen (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Craig-Breen/127662367852) has become an early contender for FIA European Rally Championship glory in 2013 after he was linked to a programme with Saintéloc Team Mister-Auto (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saint%C3%A9loc-Team-Mister-Auto/213121952054126).

Breen took part on several events with the French squad in 2012 driving a Peugeot 207 Super 2000. He impressed the team with a number of strong results.

“I’m talking to a few people and everything is still possible,” Breen told the British newspaper Motorsport News (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Motorsport-News/107646302589958). “But a programme with Peugeot Sport (http://www.facebook.com/peugeot.sport) and Saintéloc is looking most likely now. We’re looking at starting the season in a 207 and then maybe moving to the 208 [R5] when it’s ready.”

:)

[Kielder]

I don't understand why always some people try to find some über conspiracy or shadow interests behind everything. Most likely organization of CoI just didn't find budget to be part of the series or didn't agree to Eurosport conditions and therefore their event was replaced. Hardly it's something else and in no way it has anything to do with some ****ting on the Irish from mainland Europe. That's just ridiculous.


I haven't said that there were shadow interests gratuitously.

Luis Monzon, Director and Head of Sport Competition Canary and promoter of the Rally Islas Canarias, said in an interview (see the video below, recorded before yesterday's announcement) that Carlos Gracia, president of the Spanish Automobile Federation and vice-president of the FIA, put pressure on the FIA during the Gala in Istanbul last week.

Carlos Gracia has been president of the Spanish Federation since 1984, being re-elected six times (sometimes he was the only candidate, as it happened in 2008). Many people in Spain are fed up with him, so this year a strong candidate will take part in the elections. To fight against him, it was even said Canarias will only join the ERC if Carlos Gracia is re-elected the day after tomorrow. Now, it's obvious that he has won enough votes to be re-elected for the seventh time. This is a masterstroke.

I hadn't read anything about the lack of financial backing of the Circuit of Ireland when I posted on the previous page. Now the Canarias organisers will pay 50 per cent of the logistical costs for teams' trip, though it will remain more expensive than go to Ireland. Initially, this rally refused to pay the money increase of almost the 30% between the IRC and the new ERC. I don't know if they are going to pay it now.

If all this stuff isn't obscure I don't know anything that it is.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gylJK5xSNFY

[Mirek]

Thank You. Though I still believe the main reason is that CoI organizers didn't find sponsors to run the event like they already officially claimed.

[Jarek Z]

Increase is defined as to make something greater, as in number, size, strength, or quality.
We shall be fair. Number of events is same with IRC 2012, number of island events was largely reduced. Two regional championship were joined in one. That in no way can be interpreted as increase.


Mirek, you know that I like you :) But this time I have to "offend" you - you speak like a typical politician :)

We shall be fair. Numbers are brutal for you: ERC 2012 consisted of 11 events. ERC 2013 will consist of 13 events. Is that not an increase? Is 13 not greater than 11???

If you were a politician, I wouldn't vote for you ;)

[tommeke_B]

Well Jarek Z... Actually it should have been 12 but Antibes dropped from the calendar. Regarding that the ERC replaces the IRC now and it doesn't have more events than the IRC had, it's not an increase... :)

[Mirek]

Mirek, you know that I like you :) But this time I have to "offend" you - you speak like a typical politician :)

We shall be fair. Numbers are brutal for you: ERC 2012 consisted of 11 events. ERC 2013 will consist of 13 events. Is that not an increase? Is 13 not greater than 11???

If you were a politician, I wouldn't vote for you ;)

For me new ERC is replacing IRC not the God-forgotten ERC of the last decade and that's why I compare with IRC.

[Tom206wrc]

Bryan Bouffier only in Jänner or will he take part to more ERC events :confused:

[RS]

Bryan Bouffier only in Jänner or will he take part to more ERC events :confused:

Hopefully Peugeot Sport will support him again now in order to showcase the 208 R5.

When is it due for homologation?

[Mirek]

Peugeot stopped support of any activities with 207 as it's no longer in production. They support only 208 R2 in the moment and later the R5. I guess they will come only for last few ERC events.

[RS]

So let's hope he can find the budget for 4 events in the first half of the season with 207 plus testing with the R5 for 4 events with that in the second half :)

[tolis]

Delecour will do ERC 2013+Romanian championship, around 17 rallies next year! Great news!

"...mais j'ai le plaisir d'annoncer qu'il participera à la quasi totalité du championnat ERC avec une Peugeot S2000 pour viser le titre de champion d'Europe , il participera également au championnat de Roumanie pour renouveler son titre au volant toujours de la Peugeot S2000 .François aura donc un programme très chargé d'environ 17 rallyes durant l'année 2013."

[Carbon]

Tanak in ERC with former F1 driver R. Kubica, car Fiesta RRC.

[Tom206wrc]

But nobody will drive the Citroën DS3 RRC next year in Europe ??? :confused:

[106 sport]

Delecour will do ERC 2013+Romanian championship, around 17 rallies next year! Great news!

"...mais j'ai le plaisir d'annoncer qu'il participera à la quasi totalité du championnat ERC avec une Peugeot S2000 pour viser le titre de champion d'Europe , il participera également au championnat de Roumanie pour renouveler son titre au volant toujours de la Peugeot S2000 .François aura donc un programme très chargé d'environ 17 rallyes durant l'année 2013."

Great news...But...

...They have to choose between Rally Islas Canarias and the first rally of Romania

I wish that they choosen Rally Islas Canarias.

Regards

[106 sport]

But nobody will drive the Citroën DS3 RRC next year in Europe ??? :confused:

Perhaps Tsjoen...

[rallye-vid]

Tanak in ERC with former F1 driver R. Kubica, car Fiesta RRC.

Source?

[106 sport]

Source?

+1

[tommeke_B]

Perhaps Tsjoen...

No ERC campaign planned for Tsjoen.

[106 sport]

No ERC campaign planned for Tsjoen.

Pitty

[Adler]

But nobody will drive the Citroën DS3 RRC next year in Europe ??? :confused:
I heard rumours that one will run 2013 in austria, but only for ÖRM, but please note: it´s really only a rumour I heard from another pilot!

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I heard rumours that one will run 2013 in austria, but only for ÖRM, but please note: it´s really only a rumour I heard from another pilot!

Which Austrian driver has the money to run this car?

[tommeke_B]

Harrach? ;)

[Adler]

Which Austrian driver has the money to run this car?
there are some out there.....pm

[Adler]

Harrach? ;)
unfortunately he will stay with his EVO

[Tom206wrc]

I heard rumours that one will run 2013 in austria, but only for ÖRM, but please note: it´s really only a rumour I heard from another pilot!


If rumour becomes news whe should see it on entrylist of Jänner ;)

[PLuto]

I think it is project of Achim Mortl with DS3 R3T...

[RS]

Delecour will do ERC 2013+Romanian championship, around 17 rallies next year! Great news!

"...mais j'ai le plaisir d'annoncer qu'il participera à la quasi totalité du championnat ERC avec une Peugeot S2000 pour viser le titre de champion d'Europe , il participera également au championnat de Roumanie pour renouveler son titre au volant toujours de la Peugeot S2000 .François aura donc un programme très chargé d'environ 17 rallyes durant l'année 2013."

Wow, where does he find the money (and energy!) for such a programme?

[RAS007]

Delecour will do ERC 2013+Romanian championship, around 17 rallies next year! Great news!

"...mais j'ai le plaisir d'annoncer qu'il participera à la quasi totalité du championnat ERC avec une Peugeot S2000 pour viser le titre de champion d'Europe , il participera également au championnat de Roumanie pour renouveler son titre au volant toujours de la Peugeot S2000 .François aura donc un programme très chargé d'environ 17 rallyes durant l'année 2013."

This is great stuff. Tolis, could you let me know the above source? Thanks.

[tolis]

This is great stuff. Tolis, could you let me know the above source? Thanks.

fb page of Delecour

[RAS007]

fb page of Delecour

Merci beaucoup.

[PLuto]

I have also wrote an article about Delecour - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14688) :)

[Tom206wrc]

Wow, where does he find the money (and energy!) for such a programme?


Romania :p :

[Tom206wrc]

I think it is project of Achim Mortl with DS3 R3T...


By the way, on Rallycarsforsale.Net, at least two austrian teams rent DS3 R3T ;)

[spiderem]

so except Delecour, who has confirmed to do ERC?

[Adler]

I heard rumours that one will run 2013 in austria, but only for ÖRM, but please note: it´s really only a rumour I heard from another pilot!
Good morning, an other forum member prooved this is wrong rumour...sorry about this!

[V.Gatev]

From Eurosport Press Release - All rounds will be filmed and produced for television coverage by Eurosport Events with at least two rounds – Açores and Corsica – shown live on Eurosport.

[Mirek]

so except Delecour, who has confirmed to do ERC?

There is no registration needed for ERC so it will be a kind of surprise from event to event ;) Anyway there is M-Sport team expected with several RRC/R5. Marco Tempestini was confirmed with R4, Hannes Danzinger with Clio R3. For the rest You have to wait but from rumors I expect four Czech drivers to do at least several events each (all I know with 4WD).

[RS]

I would really expect Kopecky to do the minimum required to have a shot at the title. I am sure Skoda will want to take some titles again this year besides WRC2 after winning all last year.

Are R5 cars expected to be quicker than RRC? And thus can we expect to see Ford crews make the change during the year?

[Mirek]

R5 shall be faster but maybe not right from the start.

[Tom206wrc]

There is no registration needed for ERC so it will be a kind of surprise from event to event ;) Anyway there is M-Sport team expected with several RRC/R5. Marco Tempestini was confirmed with R4, Hannes Danzinger with Clio R3. For the rest You have to wait but from rumors I expect four Czech drivers to do at least several events each (all I know with 4WD).

There's also Rok Turk :confused:

[Mirek]

Right. I can't remember every driver :)

[jbmarcus21]

Peugeot 208 R5 Test Days in Gravel
Bouffier en Tests sur terre avec la 208 R5 (http://planetemarcus.com/bouffier-en-tests-sur-terre-avec-la-208-r5/)

[mousti]

Is Mark Wallenwein still planning to do ERC events?

[pucky54]

Luis Monzón talks to Mini about a start at Rally Islas Canarias

[PLuto]

Is Mark Wallenwein still planning to do ERC events?

Yes, but he is still negotiating with partners. I expect he will start later during season...

[spiderem]

Peugeot 208 R5 Test Days in Gravel
Bouffier en Tests sur terre avec la 208 R5 (http://planetemarcus.com/bouffier-en-tests-sur-terre-avec-la-208-r5/)
i have to say, the old peugeot colours looks great...

[RS]

Autohebdo are reporting that Kubica will do the majority of the ERC season with MSport, but will miss Janner. A good place for Kubica to learn I think. Maybe Kimi should have done this rather than throw himself in at the deep end...

Does anyone know how the ERC teams championship will work? I understand teams will have to register, but is it two nominated drivers to score or?

[PLuto]

There is no limit of registered cars, but only the best two cars of the team will take points.

[RS]

There is no limit of registered cars, but only the best two cars of the team will take points.

Thanks, I like it that way since it avoids stupid situations where a team wins an event but doesn't get the points. Can't imagine there will be many events where teams have three nominated crews this year though!

Any chance of Lappi appearing for Skoda Motorsport in ERC?

[sete]

No,Lappi wil do a WRC-2 next year.

[werner]

There is no limit of registered cars, but only the best two cars of the team will take points.

Is it that, where a Team have to pay 50.000 to FIA to score points?

[Jarek Z]

How many points do you get for 50000? ;)

[PLuto]

Any chance of Lappi appearing for Skoda Motorsport in ERC?

It was previously planned, but they have changed mind to WRC2...

[werner]

Is there any information about the FIA European Regional Rally Cup 2013? Regulations, Calendar? I only know some small things, but its quite end of the year and no calendar published. FIA search for a promotor up from 2014, so I think they want to have this cup alive and not dead like past years ...

[PLuto]

Is there any information about the FIA European Regional Rally Cup 2013? Regulations, Calendar? I only know some small things, but its quite end of the year and no calendar published. FIA search for a promotor up from 2014, so I think they want to have this cup alive and not dead like past years ...

Actually it looks it is cup for organisers, which are not in ERC. Regulations can be seen in RRCR, no calendar yet. And I dont know if FIA si searching for a promotor of it...

[werner]

Actually it looks it is cup for organisers, which are not in ERC. Regulations can be seen in RRCR, no calendar yet. And I dont know if FIA si searching for a promotor of it...

PLuto, you are right ... :-) they mean they search for Promotor for Regional CHAMPIONSHIPs (not Cup...) like African, Asia-P, ME ... I should read exactly!

My main question is, if they plan to do different regional cups (I suppose no), and which coef Rallies like Waldviertel, Bohemia, Saturnus, Yalta, Sliven etc will have or who could be new inside. Coef 20 for all non ERC events, yes.

[Luis Pacheco]

From Eurosport Press Release - All rounds will be filmed and produced for television coverage by Eurosport Events with at least two rounds – Açores and Corsica – shown live on Eurosport.

Let´s see about Acores...

[Luis Pacheco]

We will have ERC 2013 pickems ? :)

[PLuto]

PLuto, you are right ... :-) they mean they search for Promotor for Regional CHAMPIONSHIPs (not Cup...) like African, Asia-P, ME ... I should read exactly!

My main question is, if they plan to do different regional cups (I suppose no), and which coef Rallies like Waldviertel, Bohemia, Saturnus, Yalta, Sliven etc will have or who could be new inside. Coef 20 for all non ERC events, yes.

It will be one regional cup, all events together. I think events will have same coefficients like last year, ex-ERC rounds with coeff. 20.

[PLuto]

We will have ERC 2013 pickems ? :)

Yes, there will be ERC 2013 pickems. I would like to find also some small prizes for top 3 contenders of pickems :)

[Georgi]

Is there any information about the FIA European Regional Rally Cup 2013? Regulations, Calendar? I only know some small things, but its quite end of the year and no calendar published. FIA search for a promotor up from 2014, so I think they want to have this cup alive and not dead like past years ...


Yes, Werner, the regulations are on the FIA website. There is no calendar published yet.
I have the draft and maybe final calendar and there are 19 events.
It's formed from:
4 - coef. 20 rallies
6 - coef. 10
5 - coef. 5
4 - coef. 2 rallies.

Best 12 results counts.
Best 4 results from coefficient 10 rallies.
A crew can take points only from 3 rallies per country.
Only overall trophy. No other trophies.

Here are the regs: http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2013%20RRC%20Sporting%20Regulations_071212_0.pdf

[Georgi]

Actually it looks it is cup for organisers, which are not in ERC. Regulations can be seen in RRCR, no calendar yet. And I dont know if FIA si searching for a promotor of it...


For sure they are not searching for promoter for this rally cup.

My opinion is that "CUP" is not well-made at all. It has only overall trophy. Plenty of rounds. No glory.

[werner]

For sure they are not searching for promoter for this rally cup.

My opinion is that "CUP" is not well-made at all. It has only overall trophy. Plenty of rounds. No glory.

It was my mistake, I thought they search, but they meant ME, Asia, African, America Championships ...

Thanks for the Regulation link. I have 5x Coef 20 in my List: Mille Miglia, Bulgaria, Bosphorus, Madeira, Asturias. Would be glad if Waldviertel Rallye climb from Coef 5 to 10!

[Georgi]

My list is from 5th of December.
Yours is probably more current.
It's understandable Bosphorus to be again coef. 20 after it was dropped out of ERC.
Should be in the list. I agree with you.

So the rallies in this CUP will be 20 and take the points from the best 12 ?

Anyway my opinion is that this cup is unfortunately nothing serious.

[mousti]

Just saw this tweet:

How final is current European Rally Championship calendar? Loud rumours claiming Croatia to move to September, but what about Poland? #ERC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ERC&src=hash)