Wrc Rallye France-Alsace 2012

[kirungi okwogera]

To me, SWRC is providing good indication of some young guys who we should hope to see moving up in the future... I like Paddon, met him before he'd won anything and seems like a really sensible driver - fast when he needs to be, takes it easy when there is nothing to gain. If he were British the UK press would be going bananas over him - just look at how Kris Meeke gets oversold and lionized!

Breen is fast too although he has that thing that plenty of Finnish drivers suffer from, that is, being much faster in your home country than other places.

Yazeed is OK, needs some improvement but has a realistic viewpoint... he said he has to be a top driver in the SWRC before moving to WRC. Doesn't want to be a Khalid Al Qassimi?

[dimviii]

Novikovs moment from another angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L72T2eWoUB0&feature=player_embedded#!

[skarderud]

@Official_iRally: Mads Østberg 11:22.8 "Just not possible to go quicker with this car. As soon as it is uphill, they just pull away."

hmmmm...... Msport......?

[Kielder]

Nasser's high speed crash:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_im4bIuCHNQ

[6789]

Here's Australian media coverage from Rally France - no mention of Petters name

https://twitter.com/skynewsozsport/status/254742419868876801

seems like a crash or car fire is the only events to get a mention, hopefully Red Bull can change that next year

[spiderem]

thanks sport + for doing a great job, and proving that it is not complicated to broadcast rally with a bit of motivation. But please next year get proper commentator, like julian porter and the irish dude... because the french dudes are a bit hopeless (except guy fraiklin). thomas senecal is the biggest joke on french tv, i don't think he even has a driving license, that tells you how good his knowledge is about motorsport...

[janvanvurpa]

Vurpan always mention the F-group or F-Cup with F-group cars. I don’t know but by the name Vurpan, maybe he used to drive whit the style like in the video. Eller hur?

III ValUA Talviralli, Valkeala (F-Cup) 3.3.2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8VXfEhXZQE)

Btw Vurpan, can you guess which car was on the introduction page of 1970 of the 1970-1974 1000 lakes book I got this week?

F-Cup homepage:
Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-cup.fi%2F)

Homepage of Jent TV that’s as far as I know makes the F-Cup programs.
Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jent.fi%2Fpages%2Fstartti%2Fuut iset.php)


The videos didn’t work on Google translated pages so it’s better to watch them here.
Jent Motorsport Video - Netti-TV (http://www.jent.fi/pages/netti-tv.php)


Joooo men you know i like languages and names and have been callled all sorts of names inside the family and by all those crazy latinos in my family (OK I was born "John" but to my mom was the deminutive for Juan which is "Juanito", her brother came up to USa and I was "Pineapple" to him, Johnny to my father's family, then I had the bright idea to move to Sweden when I was 17. In Swedish industri in those days it was maybe 75% foreigners---and 40% Finns, lots of Jugoslavians and nobody called be "John", it was Jon or Jan, or something) well I moved to learn moto-cross and when you are trying to learn and try things---and are young ad stupid, you crash a lot---or you stay slow... so naturally if they can't say John the didn't even try vanLandingham---so it was either Johnny Crash, they could say that correctly, but Jan van Vurpa became the name....
When I was based in France doing International events I was finally "Johnny" except to my Italian and Slovenian friends--it was Gianni.. Now when I go to China its Zhang Wei Han, Zhang sounds a lot like John and its also wifey dear's family name..

This fun with names continues with my 2 little girls Anna (7 1/2) and Natasha (5 1/2) who to me are Anoushka and Ninotchka, or Yang-yang and Yue Yue when in China...both speak English, Putonghua (mandarin) and are learning Spanish..

Since you Finns are the indisputable nation producing the most true rally gods and have such great rallies, we Gringos---anybody with brains--and humor---idealize and imagine everything crazy about Finland---and since 1984 when I started, I am the offical "Bestower of Finnish names".. for example the guy I have co-drive for a couple of times in his nice 240 Volvo is Al Kun--his honorary Finn name is Alperti Kunkanen. Dave Clark in his--the ONLY Ascona B in USA, became Doivi Clarkalainenen.

Now what car could be on the cover??

Was it made in Trollhättan by Trolls?

Is it a car I could rebuild the gearbox and build the "värsta sortens" motor for with the parts I have on the shelf?

[Plan9]

To me, SWRC is providing good indication of some young guys who we should hope to see moving up in the future... I like Paddon, met him before he'd won anything and seems like a really sensible driver - fast when he needs to be, takes it easy when there is nothing to gain. If he were British the UK press would be going bananas over him - just look at how Kris Meeke gets oversold and lionized!

Breen is fast too although he has that thing that plenty of Finnish drivers suffer from, that is, being much faster in your home country than other places.

Yazeed is OK, needs some improvement but has a realistic viewpoint... he said he has to be a top driver in the SWRC before moving to WRC. Doesn't want to be a Khalid Al Qassimi?

Agree. I actually like PG more than Hayden (I've been following him way longer) but In france PG has really disappointed me...

[xavier]

Sean: How big is the rallysport in the states if you think of all the motorsports, Nascar-Indy-Motorcross and so on??? I have always wonder...


I live in the US, so here is my perspective.

I've got a couple people interested in Rallying since i am living here (1998). However they are not following it much.
There is only one person i met in the USA that knew about Rallying. However he had spent one year in Finland for a student exchange program and that where he got interested in it.

The WRC is basically nonexistent here. Speed TV finally resumed airing the WRC this year. But still it is not catching up. Americans want something different and not a 3 day event that is based on a time trial: it needs to be fast and wrapped up in a few hours event where the winner is the one that cross the finish line first.


PS: posting here reminded me to schedule the recording of the WRC broadcast. Funny enough the guide is showing "FIA World Rally - France (Corsica)"

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

If anything, Rallycross will be the "rally discipline" which gets going in the US. Easier for our fat asses to attend, keeps our shallow attention spans in check, and allows us to gobble up commercial marketing. And I love it!

Oddly enough, when I was going to the Rally America event in Portland this summer, i was fueling up in my hometown and the clerk actually knew about the event that weekend. I was like wtf, haha.

[RAS007]

Joooo men you know i like languages and names and have been callled all sorts of names inside the family and by all those crazy latinos in my family (OK I was born "John" but to my mom was the deminutive for Juan which is "Juanito", her brother came up to USa and I was "Pineapple" to him, Johnny to my father's family, then I had the bright idea to move to Sweden when I was 17. In Swedish industri in those days it was maybe 75% foreigners---and 40% Finns, lots of Jugoslavians and nobody called be "John", it was Jon or Jan, or something) well I moved to learn moto-cross and when you are trying to learn and try things---and are young ad stupid, you crash a lot---or you stay slow... so naturally if they can't say John the didn't even try vanLandingham---so it was either Johnny Crash, they could say that correctly, but Jan van Vurpa became the name....
When I was based in France doing International events I was finally "Johnny" except to my Italian and Slovenian friends--it was Gianni.. Now when I go to China its Zhang Wei Han, Zhang sounds a lot like John and its also wifey dear's family name..

This fun with names continues with my 2 little girls Anna (7 1/2) and Natasha (5 1/2) who to me are Anoushka and Ninotchka, or Yang-yang and Yue Yue when in China...both speak English, Putonghua (mandarin) and are learning Spanish..


Since you Finns are the indisputable nation producing the most true rally gods and have such great rallies, we Gringos---anybody with brains--and humor---idealize and imagine everything crazy about Finland---and since 1984 when I started, I am the offical "Bestower of Finnish names".. for example the guy I have co-drive for a couple of times in his nice 240 Volvo is Al Kun--his honorary Finn name is Alperti Kunkanen. Dave Clark in his--the ONLY Ascona B in USA, became Doivi Clarkalainenen.


Now what car could be on the cover??

Was it made in Trollhättan by Trolls?

Is it a car I could rebuild the gearbox and build the "värsta sortens" motor for with the parts I have on the shelf?


Where is Brother John when you need him?

[GigiGalliNo1]

thanks sport + for doing a great job, and proving that it is not complicated to broadcast rally with a bit of motivation. But please next year get proper commentator, like julian porter and the irish dude... because the french dudes are a bit hopeless (except guy fraiklin). thomas senecal is the biggest joke on french tv, i don't think he even has a driving license, that tells you how good his knowledge is about motorsport...

I laughed at this comment. hahahah

But I don't think an english comentator will help with a few million people watching Sport+ in France but I get your point and love the last sentence :D

[janvanvurpa]

Where is Brother John when you need him?

There's nothing going on in the middle of the night because today's heroes need their beauty rest..

Loeb going like clockwork, Latvala 2nd, Petter crashes, what's to re-hash?
Why not relax if you aren't interested?
Just a few long term rally fans having a chat in the interval and getting to know one another.

Do you need help in real life mixed conversations from a moderator?
Relax, more Loeb winning all the stages will start in a couple of hours and you can analyze that to death.

[HaCo]

Are we expecting rain?

Verstuurd van mijn MT15i met Tapatalk

[Mirek]

Agree. I actually like PG more than Hayden (I've been following him way longer) but In france PG has really disappointed me...

PG or Proton? I would say it's Proton what is off the pace...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Was that car build by trolls or Finns? Or both?

[René]

it's started for the ES 17, no TV live on this one

[spiderem]

it's started for the ES 17, no TV live on this one

hi. do you know which stages are tv live today? cheers

[GigiGalliNo1]

RAIN & Water on Stages :D Loeb with 6 Softs!

[Mise]

RAIN & Water on Stages :D Loeb with 6 Softs!

And judging from the stage times it is drying up.
Mikko 7 secs faster than Loeb.
Ostberg and Sordo even faster

[GigiGalliNo1]

LIVE STAGES for next few hours here:

.: Sport TEAM :. (http://www.sport-team.org/)

Click Chaine 15/Channel 15

Should be working. If not try

Chaine 16/Channel 16

[Astro83]

spiderem. 10.40 it will be live tv from ss 18

[spiderem]

And judging from the stages times it is drying up.
Mikko 7 secs faster than Loeb.
Ostberg and Sordo even faster
and neuville much faster... must had a cuddle with his co-driver last night

[spiderem]

spiderem. 10.40 it will be live tv from ss 18
cheers.

[SubaruNorway]

Remind us on the schedule again, i lost it. Nothing live at the moment from what i can see. Two last stages are live on viasat sport so guess the swedes can see it too.

[sollitt]

Agree. I actually like PG more than Hayden (I've been following him way longer) but In france PG has really disappointed me...Qualify that .... if you can.

[Mise]

We'll have a great battle between Ostberg, Neuville and Sordo.

Neuville 16 secs faster than Loeb.
You don't get to see that everyday.

[Astro83]

viasat motors?????

:D

10.40 ss18 på ch 15 eller 16!

[René]

hi. do you know which stages are tv live today? cheers

Hi, Because the satellite beam retransmission is only awarded from10 h 30

stages of 18 at 22 will be live

[Astro83]

We'll have a great battle between Ostberg, Neuville and Sordo.

Neuville 16 secs faster than Loeb.
You don't get to see that everyday.

Most likely, Loeb has begun to take it little more easy today to get to the finnish without probs? ;)

[Mirek]

Is it accidental that when it's less up to cars performance all Mini crews step up in s/km difference to their closest rivals? Sordo faster even without handbrake, Atko faster, Muller faster (from first splits)...

[Astro83]

Is it accidental that when it's less up to cars performance all Mini crews step up in s/km difference to their closest rivals? Sordo faster even without handbrake, Atko faster, Muller faster (from first splits)...

yep! Sordo would with a competitive car, easy be on the podium for a 1-2 or 3 position... He is extreme on tarmac! Prodrive don't get any money from BMW for this year like a factory team and they can't develop their car as fast as Citroen and Ford.

But I love the Mini and Prodrive so I had hoped for a little bit more speed in the car, but will wait for next year! ;)

[Astro83]

Remind us on the schedule again, i lost it. Nothing live at the moment from what i can see. Two last stages are live on viasat sport so guess the swedes can see it too.


I cant find rall-vm i mina viasat sändningar! :( vart har du läst det?

[Tom206wrc]

Go Neuville GO for 4th !!! :bounce:

[Mihai]

Where is Brother John when you need him?

Apart from removing my topic on rising star Sebastien Chardonnet, he's nowhere to be found.

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen crazy splits!

[dimviii]

lololol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4lr1vfCIAA4V20.jpg

[Mihai]

The Brazilian duo seems to have watched inside their cars the final laps of the F1 Japanese Grand Prix while driving on SS17.

[dimviii]

from Colin Clark twitter heavy rain for 2 hours at stage 18,lots of standing water

[makinen_fan]

still no live tv?

[Astro83]

still no live tv?


from 10.30 or 10.40.... stage starts at 10.46

[Astro83]

it's on ch 2!!

[SubaruNorway]

Live on chaine 2

[andyone]

channel 2 live

[GigiGalliNo1]

LIVE NOW

.: Sport TEAM :. (http://www.sport-team.org/)

CHAIN 2/Channel 2

[Bartek]

Ostberg is fast like a hell

Aaa Sordo is faster, Come on Dani!!

[HaCo]

Short stages are fun too. Certainly when they are wet :D

[HaCo]

Tanak spins!

[Allyc85]

Great onboard action, with the cars moving about on the mud and water!

[dimviii]

crazy dogfight!!

[Bartek]

Novikov!! Crash

[Allyc85]

Novikov well off the road!

[HaCo]

Novikov off! Same spot!

[dimviii]

Novikovs live crash!!

[Miika]

"Stand the f#ck back people. Evgeny is coming!"

[andyone]

he is despratly trying to get back. nearly hit a camera man.

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville back to fourth !!! GREEEEAAATTTT :bounce:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Novikov!! NOooo :(

[Bartek]

Argh, tenis now....

[SubaruNorway]

I cant find rall-vm i mina viasat sändningar! :( vart har du läst det?

Rallyforum (http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php?option=com_agora&task=topic&id=1862&Itemid=34)
Guess it's only on Viasat Sport Norge

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can you guys admit that watching the WRC Live this weekend has made it exciting?

[6789]

Really like the coverage, is Sport+ a subscription service in France?

[HaCo]

Gigi, depends.

Dry tarmac is boring, unfortunately. Give Monte-conditions or tricky and dirty rain and it is much better.

[andyone]

live feed gone . showing tennis now.

[Salist]

Where will live SS19?

[HaCo]

Back to rally!

[Astro83]

servicepark on ch 2 now

[Bartek]

only what can i say after this weekend that Sport+ is my favourite tv station from Friday :) SS19 will be live?

[Astro83]

its live now guys!!

[Salist]

Thanks guys!

[Allyc85]

Can you guys admit that watching the WRC Live this weekend has made it exciting?

Everyone should send an email to Red Bull Media House and le t them know this! It is Motorsport News that they want to know what the fans want!

[Allyc85]

Novikov damage!

Twitter / voiceofrally: And another view http://t.co/ZraKJyV2 (http://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/254871314827997184/photo/1)

[GigiGalliNo1]

ALL STAGES HAVE BEEN LIVE

they normally just show top 10 cars and then other sports and back to Loeb when driving

[dimviii]

Novikov damage!

Twitter / voiceofrally: And another view http://t.co/ZraKJyV2 (http://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/254871314827997184/photo/1)
driver better or mechanic? lol
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4l-f8MCcAEkjff.jpg:large

[Allyc85]

Novikov once again proving that zip ties fix anything lol. He has certainly had enough mechanical practice!

[dimviii]

Muller 4th quickest at ss18,top 3 at safe mode

[tolis]

There is a fight for 4th place. Why did they stop broadcasting the stage now? :(

[Astro83]

wtf happend!?!? Wanted to see Sordo and Neuville! :(

[Astro83]

Sordo has no powersteering.... :( :( It's a ****ty day... I really hope he can fix this by him self!

[andyone]

poor sordo. mads is on form

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Sordo ??? :s

[Tom206wrc]

Once again Neuville fastest :cool:

[Barreis]

Link for live stream?

[HaCo]

Gutted for Sordo :(

[andyone]

Rallye live at 12h40 for sss 20

[tolis]

Novikov

WRC 2012 France Novikov Crash ES18 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpw9KBUV4_8)

[Astro83]

Problem for Sordo ??? :s

yea , powersteering.....

He lost much time and will only be 6th if he can continue! :(

[Tom206wrc]

Only 7" gap between Prokop and Chardonnet after SS18 ;)

[andyone]

for those who were seeing live. did mads roll? i think he didnt

[Astro83]

for those who were seeing live. did mads roll? i think he didnt

No, Novikov did

[dimviii]

[SS19] Evgeny Novikov (Ford) 4:28.9 "Mechanically everything is fine (after his off and roll on the previous stage). We will just finish the rally. Sometimes it happens."

lol sometimes!!

[Bartek]

Maybe BMW need to find team from other planet... Last year Mini had one of the best car on tarmac, now without money from factory they are in ass. Why factory like BMW always want to win and after one or two season they are saying: "Goodbye".

[dimviii]

crazy moments for Neuville and Tanak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAuaLCEbKC4&feature=player_embedded#!

[makinen_fan]

Novikov

WRC 2012 France Novikov Crash ES18 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpw9KBUV4_8)

kind of funny how everyone runs away from him! like he is a drunk maniac chasing after spectators :p

[Astro83]

Prodrive is on the way for a full season 2013 as a factory team what I have read... So BMW is on their way to support Mini (Prodrive) for 2013! ;)

[makinen_fan]

ss20 is the power stage as well, right?

[tolis]

Yes, SS20 is Power Stage!

[noel157]

Prodrive is on the way for a full season 2013 as a factory team what I have read... So BMW is on their way to support Mini (Prodrive) for 2013! ;)

Source?

[Tom206wrc]

Prodrive is on the way for a full season 2013 as a factory team what I have read... So BMW is on their way to support Mini (Prodrive) for 2013! ;)


But in the same time Prodrive could lose Dani Sordo(their best driver so far) to Citroën(in replacement of Loeb) :p :

[HaCo]

crazy moments for Neuville and Tanak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAuaLCEbKC4&feature=player_embedded#!

Organisation is plain stupid. At what speed do they arrive there? People are in the middle of the run out zone. Okay, it's higher than the road, but these days you can never be sure enough.

[Astro83]

Source?

Haha, Irally or som other rallymagazine.. It was a intervju with David Richards or Dave Wilcock. I really dont remember exactly where I read this. You believe it or not. We will see for 2013! I really reall hope that the intervju was right and that this will happend. I love Prodrive and Mini!

[makinen_fan]

Organisation is plain stupid. At what speed do they arrive there? People are in the middle of the run out zone. Okay, it's higher than the road, but these days you can never be sure enough.

It is not just here but also in other rallies and other corners, the organisers put the Spectators area in much more dangerous area than the designated 'No go areas'. I am also speaking about Wales Rally. I do not understand if whoever put the tapes in the stages understand how rally cars behave

[Astro83]

Yes that will probably be the case, or Sordo for Ford. I dont think that Sordo will stay with Mini but I hope he will! ;)
No seriously, I want Sordo in a competitive factory team, Mini, Ford or Citroen, it dosent matter... But Love to see Meeke to return also...

[noel157]

Haha, Irally or som other rallymagazine.. It was a intervju with David Richards or Dave Wilcock. I really dont remember exactly where I read this. You believe it or not. We will see for 2013! I really reall hope that the intervju was right and that this will happend. I love Prodrive and Mini!

Ah, thought it was something new. Wilcox said that some time ago that they would be back with a two car team. No mention of entrant.

[SubaruNorway]

Chaine 16 is live with Tennis now so guess the next stage will be there.

[Astro83]

Ah, thought it was something new. Wilcox said that some time ago that they would be back with a two car team. No mention of entrant.

Okey, can be that I'v read but I'm sure that he sad in the intervju that I read, that they was coming back as a factory team for next year If all things goes as plan. They had a new deal with BMW and some other big sponsor... ??

[Astro83]

why is the powerstage now and not the last stage in the rally? :O

[GigiGalliNo1]

.: Sport TEAM :. (http://sport-team.org/)

CHAINE 16 LIVE NOW

[HaCo]

Unfortunately Atko quite disappointing :(

[rp]

Sordo retires from Rally France, not safe to drive the remaining stages without power steering. He is now driving back to service.

[HaCo]

Helicopter footage is awesome!

[HaCo]

With uStream app you can even watch it on your Tablet / Phone (Android).

[GigiGalliNo1]

Heli cam is sexy!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Dani Sordo has RETIRED!

[andyone]

Sordo has retired..

[Mihai]

Organisation is plain stupid. At what speed do they arrive there? People are in the middle of the run out zone. Okay, it's higher than the road, but these days you can never be sure enough.

Run off area looks OK to me. Spectators are protected by that mud wall, a natural embankment. 90-degrees corners on tight roads aren't supposed to be taken at full speed.

[Tom206wrc]

Let's see if Östberg will try to retake his previous 4th place ;)
According to split one looks like no :confused:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Does anyone know if this live TV coverage is a one-off for France, or will it be done for future events since the new Red Bull deal ?

Quote: "The promoter will be responsible for investing and developing the WRC with a view to increasing its profile, reputation and commercial value. "In particular, the promoter, working in close collaboration with the FIA, will be focused on introducing live television and an innovative digital media strategy in the next years."

[HaCo]

Stronge performance of Tanak!

[Tom206wrc]

Tänak was 0"4 faster than Neuville ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Oliveira is OUT as well...

[HaCo]

So, extra points in this stage?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Does anyone know if this live TV coverage is a one-off for France, or will it be done for future events since the new Red Bull deal ?

Quote: "The promoter will be responsible for investing and developing the WRC with a view to increasing its profile, reputation and commercial value. "In particular, the promoter, working in close collaboration with the FIA, will be focused on introducing live television and an innovative digital media strategy in the next years."

I have spoken to the FIA people and it is for this round ONLY. France.

They said we will have to wait and see for the 2013 season but they will be forwarding the feedback everyone is giving regarding the LIVE broadcast from this weekend to the new promoters but also everyone should contact and push our support for the coverage given.

Technically the coverage this weekend is only for subscribers to Canal+ in France or if you have the feed on your satellite dish in parts of Europe. Someone from their home is broadcasting the WRC from France this weekend over the internet for us to view it as it is NOT an official feed....

[HaCo]

As long as they want to earn money with WRC by selling TV rights, instead of giving them away for free and promote the sport, it will be hard to get decent live broadcast.

[HaCo]

Latvala attacking too much.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I think the Live broadcast for the WRC with new promoter will have to be done intelligently... Redbull Advertising on the screen when we're watching and possibly a subscription cost yearly or per round. I honestly don't have an issue paying to watch for it.... but others might not like it. They will still sell rights to TV stations across the world, and some providers cable or sattelite would broadcast it for example Canal+ or Foxsports or SPEED or ESPN or MotorsTV, you know where I'm coming from. There will have to be LIVE local coverage such as in Australia on ONE channel and TVNZ in NZ plus local broadcaster, who ever picks it up in GB, ITV or Ch4 if it'll go on Free to Air!

[HaCo]

2 points for Neuville :D

[stefanvv]

why is the powerstage now and not the last stage in the rally? :O

I don't know but the results are curious

[Mihai]

Technically the coverage this weekend is only for subscribers to Canal+ in France or if you have the feed on your satellite dish in parts of Europe. Someone from their home is broadcasting the WRC from France this weekend over the internet for us to view it as it is NOT an official feed....

Then someone will go to jail from Monday on ? :D

Should we start already to raise funds for a proper lawyer ? Because we need this unlicensed Internet broadcaster to remain at large, so he/she can do it again in the future!

[Tanelv]

2 points for Neuville :D
And 3 for Tänak :) Quite impressive speed from Ott on this stage

[andyone]

nice for Tannak i bet he takes the power stage. so all newbies getting power stage points.

[MartijnS]

why is the powerstage now and not the last stage in the rally? :O

Probably because the last stage sucks and this was a decent one.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Daft Punk song playing on WRCLive!!! :D YESSS my request!

[Tom206wrc]

Is it raining now above SS20 :confused:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Probably because the last stage sucks and this was a decent one.

It's about TV coverage.

The last stage at Rally Australia in 2011 was horrible to access, small number of specators and media had to get in hours before they closed the roads.... It was perfect for LIVE coverage though.... free of trees and great for Heli!

lets compare to live stage on last one today yes? :)

[Tom206wrc]

No Muller arrived :confused:

[Astro83]

yes absolutely but I was confused, it have always been the last stage of the rally! :)

Great speed from Ott as you guys sad, but Loeab, Lattvala and the rest of the top drivers dont go at full speed I think.. They will secure their positions and dont do any stupid mistakes...


Very sad for Sordo! :( :( and for the fight for 4th position!

[SubaruNorway]

We got the two last stages live on Viasat Sport Norge right now, nobody else outside of France getting it?

[GigiGalliNo1]

40 mins until next stage

[Astro83]

NO! :(

[stefanvv]

We got the two last stages live on Viasat Sport Norge right now, nobody else outside of France getting it?

Another broadcaster? link?

[GigiGalliNo1]

We got the two last stages live on Viasat Sport Norge right now, nobody else outside of France getting it?

Outside people get it online here:

.: Sport TEAM :. (http://sport-team.org/)

But not on yet.... only live when Loeb and top 10 are on stage. Chaine 16

[SubaruNorway]

Another broadcaster? link?

No, it's the same as you can see on .: Sport TEAM :. (http://www.sport-team.org) Just a overview of the service park and Norwegian commentator speaking right now.

[SubaruNorway]

Outside people get it online here:

.: Sport TEAM :. (http://sport-team.org/)

I know.

[mousti]

2 points for Neuville :D
That's only for the second loop on Hageneau that the PS points are counting. Some rallies use the PS on normal stages that they run twice like here in France.

[leighton323]

Paddon..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Paddon stopped..

[vkangas]

crazy moments for Neuville and Tanak
Non-professional spectators there... ;) (meaning the "getting out form the ditch" part)

[Tom206wrc]

Paddon out :mark:

[Astro83]

Paddon out :mark:

What, how??? I have miss that!? It's good for my fellow swedish guy PG but it's sad for Paddon..

[mousti]

What a bad year for him, showing the whole weekend a nice pace but once again getting stopped before the finish.. And the RBR car had such a good record on finishes, law of murphy for Hayden?

[Astro83]

What a bad year for him, showing the whole weekend a nice pace but once again getting stopped before the finish.. And the RBR car had such a good record on finishes, law of murphy for Hayden?

Has he gone off the road or is it a tec problem?

[SubaruNorway]

Has he gone off the road or is it a tec problem?

Stuck in a ditch

[hari]

Has he gone off the road or is it a tec problem?

Off road in a ditch.

[Astro83]

Paddon is moving on stage!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Paddon is on the move. OUT OF DITCH! Lost time!

[Mihai]

Non-professional spectators there... ;) (meaning the "getting out form the ditch" part)

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think typical Scandinavian spectators would have lifted the car from the ditch and reinstate it on the road almost as quickly as F1 mechanics servicing a Grand Prix car.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Paddon stopped AGAIN... Damage to the car!

[Astro83]

Paddon stopt again!

[mousti]

Ah thought it was again mechanical..

[Astro83]

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think typical Scandinavian spectators would have lifted the car from the ditch and reinstate it on the road as quickly as F1 mechanics servicing a Grand Prix car.

Always! ;) ;)

[Mihai]

@Astro83: in the Czech Republic, dogs are occasionally used to retrieve ditched rally cars. :D

http://1.1.1.2/bmi/i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp86/Deki_SAXO/sa_c_133_ostatni_32.jpg.

[mousti]

Neuville feels home now, Condroz conditions :D

5th scratch probably

[Astro83]

@Astro83: in the Czech Republic, dogs are occasionally used to retrieve ditched rally cars. :D

http://1.1.1.2/bmi/i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp86/Deki_SAXO/sa_c_133_ostatni_32.jpg.

heheehe :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

Paddon retired on SS20...

[dimviii]

nice photo
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/7589/dsc03787dx.jpg

and some Sunday photos
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1C2udQ3c8-g/UHFxKDVAs5I/AAAAAAAAB84/wkDSNmoMFco/s720/DSC_0761.JPG

https://picasaweb.google.com/105165111719193918722/RallyeDeFrance2012

[pucky54]

Aigner checked-in early at SS21

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4mScNICIAEDNvy.jpg:large

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

HYVÄ SUOMI FINLAND PERKELE! Double tarmac podium AGAIN!!

[AP-Racing]

NEUF.......Grande SEB

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9d7sfJWrC1qfybr2o1_1280.jpg

[DIMI44]

If will see on WRC.com results in P.S. (SS No 21) first is mr J. Maurin with car no 53 ....49.8 sec. faster than someone with a name Neuville... :D

[makinen_fan]

Seb wins his 9th World Rally Crown!! Well done for another time!

[dimviii]

75 and counting
congrats for the 10th title to Seb and Daniel.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Latvala and Hirvonen was so fast and solid whole rally. Great job!

[dimviii]

Latvala and Hirvonen was so fast and solid whole rally. Great job!

Loeb didn t had a solid rally?

[stefanvv]

75 and counting
congrats for the 10th title to Seb and Daniel.

You're counting 2003 too? ;)

[userwave]

We should all feel lucky to be a part of this historic run in the WRC.

Congratulations to Loeb & Elena & of course Citroen.
Wish I was there this year! Strasbourg will be bustling tonight.

[Kielder]

Congratulations Mr. Loeb! Next year most of the rallies we won't see the best driver we could be seeing. After all these years, he deserves to enjoy as much as he made us love him rallying.

[AP-Racing]

You're counting 2003 too? ;)

2001

[dimviii]

You're counting 2003 too? ;)

i am counting and the world championship with saxo s1600 ....5 entrants=5 wins at rallies he attempted first time.

[Astro83]

Great job Loeb! Really Amazing!!! :) It's very cool to had the opportunity to have followed him from the JWRC to this, and the end of his WRC time! 9 WRC titels is absolutely amazing!

JM also did a great job!! I'm disappointed at Petter, he must stay on the road, it's not his year!! Or something, I dont know...

Congrats again Loeb, your the God of Rallying!!!!

[stefanvv]

i am counting and the world championship with saxo s1600 ....5 entrants=5 wins at rallies he attempted first time.

I see, congratulations to him. For us I wish more thrilling 2013 championship...

[Karukera]

Congratulations to Loeb / Elena, 9 drivers' titles in row and to Hirvonen, Citroën for the 2012 manu crown.

Like Dim said, it all started with the Saxo, epic...

[dimviii]

outside of the town hall of Haguenau
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4m1ujcCcAAdGAI.jpg:large

[Mihai]

Sebastien Chardonnet held off Ogier to snatch a championship point on his World Rally Car debut ! Something tells me that this youngster has a bright future ahead of him!

[Astro83]

I see, congratulations to him. For us I wish more thrilling 2013 championship...


without the god of rally Loeb/Elena, it will be much more thrilling! Easy... ;) ;) But it's sad that Loeb quit. But It will be a great battle now! Understand me, I'm not saying something bad about Loeb ;)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Champions come and champions go......rally keeps going!

[Rallyper]

Congratulations Mr. Loeb! Next year most of the rallies we won't see the best driver we could be seeing. After all these years, he deserves to enjoy as much as he made us love him rallying.

Loeb has created tremendeous rally history. But please, next year. look further, not backwards. New year, new competition. Maybe more exciting as well...

[GigiGalliNo1]

http://pic.twitter.com/16MFwHth.jpg

http://pic.twitter.com/hDMyweqg.jpg

http://pic.twitter.com/83YFmt7l.jpg

http://pic.twitter.com/AZ7Hl71u.jpg

[stefanvv]

without the god of rally Loeb/Elena, it will be much more thrilling! Easy... ;) ;) But it's sad that Loeb quit. But It will be a great battle now! Understand me, I'm not saying something bad about Loeb ;)

Nobody does ;) The man deserves it. I was looking from a little different perspective, more manufacturers, promoter, etc...

[Astro83]

Loeb has created tremendeous rally history. But please, next year. look further, not backwards. New year, new competition. Maybe more exciting as well...

Much more exciting I think! I really really looking forward to 2013! The drivers who is still there is much tighter in stage times, 1 more factory team with good drivers, 1 more team will start compete under the season and Mini/Prodrive is coming back with the team.

It's going to be a REAL FIGHT and much FUN! :)

[geilux]

Incredible Seb ! Bravo, bravo bravo

Please don't stop here, go for 10 !

[Astro83]

Thanks to French media who fix this BEAUTIFUL live tv!!!!!!! Thanks to becks, collin and the team as always!!! It's has been a really good and fun weekend!!!

French media know how it's done!!

Now we looking forward to next weekend and the realise of WRC 3 and the online-fight there! ;) ;)

Peace!

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424606_10151092519622057_1495221125_n.jpg

[Mise]

wrc.com:

Breaking news. Loeb wins rally, takes ninth tittle. :eek:

That has been the least breaking news in recent years.

[GigiGalliNo1]

:) .

[EightGear]

This is a memorable day. WRC and Loeb are trending topic on twitter, at least in France! :D

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads6/507196746475d/5071967463f87-WRC_in_Frankrijk.png

[Brother John]

There's nothing going on in the middle of the night because today's heroes need their beauty rest..

Loeb going like clockwork, Latvala 2nd, Petter crashes, what's to re-hash?
Why not relax if you aren't interested?
Just a few long term rally fans having a chat in the interval and getting to know one another.

Do you need help in real life mixed conversations from a moderator?
Relax, more Loeb winning all the stages will start in a couple of hours and you can analyze that to death.

Would I really have to start again a discussion Thread for the bar talk and the long posts I read from you and others?
Almost anyone can tell his opinion until I read too much nonsense or insults.
If I do not respond, I would prefer not to read my forum name, so enjoy your own discussions.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I think I did most of the #WRC tweets!

[janvanvurpa]

Would I really have to start again a discussion Thread for the bar talk and the long posts I read from you and others?
Almost anyone can tell his opinion until I read too much nonsense or insults.
If I do not respond, I would prefer not to read my forum name, so enjoy your own discussions.

No my brother. You don't need to do anything except think of context. Many people have tried to tell you that you don't understand the moderator role.
You look at the time, it was middle of night here, 0500 there, nothing was happening, we were all just waiting for the action to start and just some fans chatting while waiting...
You should have a test in your mind: If we were all standing in the woods, at the same corner and you were a marshall with the orange vest waiting for cars would you ---or others--- go out of your way to montior if every person in all the dozens there who were only talking and insist they were only talking about what the spec of the cars were, or why the drivers did this or that? Would you walk over to two or three or 4 random guys talking to eachother and push your way in and shout "HEY! YOU GUYS! You cannot be talking about who you are, how you came to be here in the same corner! You must only about the action on the stage! I INSIST YOU GO TO A PUB TO TALK!!"
That should be the test.
Were the conversation occur in the middle of tight action when the drivers were in a tight "sekund-strid", then chatting who the next guy was or where he came from would be disturbing what everybody was talking about. But while just waiting, it is not us who were disturbing anything or being rude, but the complainer...

Like the complainer, you need to relax, take it easy, and mellow out.

And maybe reflect: maybe you don't understand what your role is or should be.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Congrats to Loeb again.

I followed him when he started in the S1600 Saxo as I had one too (VTS) but his and Citroen's success did not make me want another Citroen ...

I'm on my 3rd Ford since then ... and it seems his wins have done nothing for (performance) car sales for the French company.

Makes me wonder what it was all for when still no-one wants a Citroen...

[rallye-sport]

Sunday update -> Photos Rallye de France-Alsace 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-france-alsace-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-alsace-2012/img_7540.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-alsace-2012/_MG_6585.JPG



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-alsace-2012/IMG_7359.JPG



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/france-alsace-2012/img_7532.jpg

[dimviii]

nice photo!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/527772_535097199839440_2123403490_n.jpg

[Karukera]

If a manufacturer still wants to be involved in the WRC despite average results, then i guess commercial visibility might be a bit easier for the winner :) .

[andyone]

Loeb didn t had a solid rally?
its something normal so. we will only be surprised if loeb don't have a solid rally.

[stefanvv]

Competition means much more for manufacturers than glory. Someone is looking after their glory, others are just doing business & development.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1090/1090_rally_de_france_-_alsace_2012_20571616b5.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1090/1090_rally_de_france_-_alsace_2012_253b23d128.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1090/1090_rally_de_france_-_alsace_2012_cdf63de1ae.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1090/1090_rally_de_france_-_alsace_2012_7d889c8187.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1090/1090_rally_de_france_-_alsace_2012_9cbd2b438c.jpg



More photos from 9th titul of Sebastien Loeb celebration and day 3 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1090)

[darkstar]

heavy crash from arzeno:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViP_CnlwMjE

[HaCo]

Thanks for sharing darkstar. This accident seems to be caused by dirt on the road.

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[Barreis]

He was too quick.

[janvanvurpa]

Thanks for sharing darkstar. This accident seems to be caused by dirt on the road.

Verstuurd van mijn MT15i met Tapatalk

More accurately, it was cause by the driver expecting that the road would ALWAYS be clean, and not leaving any reserve for the (pretty damn obvious) chance that they might be dirt and dirt at any second.

Got to go all Taoist on you:

The dirt just is. It is passive, it has no will, it can only be dirt. It has no will, it cannot ciase anything to "happen'. It just is.
Same for the asphalt, same for the tires, the car, not do anything but what is their nature to do.
Only the driver has will or choice.
He chose to ignore the obvious---that there CAN be dirt from ditches or embankment. Or a cow leaving a big present..

It's the same result but the driver wasn't just along for the ride---well untill he drove into the dirt anyway.

[Rom1]

So Seb finally did it ! https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540913_450680208307667_1601522091_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578637_450567264985628_1795653494_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/543430_450680134974341_2114032567_n.jpg Other pics on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.449489381760083.99326.279998242042532&type=1)

[darkstar]

i think it was not only due to dirt, as he was approaching i already thought: "wow, this is too quick." then of course the dirt did the rest...luckily no one was hurt, it was a quite heavy impact on high speed.

[stefanvv]

A driver should think himself: So, I'm going to cut this corner, is it possible someone before me did the same and throw some mud on the road? May be I should be more careful approaching it...

[Hartusvuori]

Congratulations to misters Loeb and Elena. Nothing surprising here, but ninth title just adds up to his fame. Nine is the biggest number, so is the crew. (And you can round it up to ten titles like mentioned.) Next year will be different and it'll also be interesting to see what kind of pace Loeb can keep if he enters some events on the second half of the season with longer gaps between the starts. Let me think... he'll reign :)

Also very happy about Latvala's result. Another and consecutive second place on a tarmac rally and this time far less time difference to Loeb than in Germany. After all was lost before mid-season break he has taken one win, two seconds and one third. Only if all seasons would be second halves only... Now what I really wish is a tarmac win from Latvala before Loeb retires. Loeb is the measurement.

It was again great from the French round that they had all the live coverage. Many of the normal rally thread posts changed from "Solberg fastest through 3rd split!" to "Where's the stream?!" For sure this approach is more 2012 than anything else we've seen elsewhere. Also, it seemed a great number of crowds out in the stages. That is _exactly_ where this sport is at its best!

[Astro83]

He was way, way to fast in to that muddy corner!! It's not the stages fault, they must have missed the mud in their pacenotes??

I hope they got out of that wreck okey!

[Hartusvuori]

A driver should think himself: So, I'm going to cut this corner, is it possible someone before me did the same and throw some mud on the road? May be I should be more careful approaching it...

There are thousands of corners in every rally. You simply can't have that approach in order to achieve anything.

Like darkstar said, from first-hand experience, he seemed to approach the corner too fast before knowing for sure what will happen. The results underlines it, he just simply approached too fast.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4m1Ns-CQAAOPQx.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

There are thousands of corners in every rally. You simply can't have that approach in order to achieve anything.

Like darkstar said, from first-hand experience, he seemed to approach the corner too fast before knowing for sure what will happen. The results underlines it, he just simply approached too fast.

That is correct. And the reason for the fast approach I think is he believes the road will be clean. Probably just a miss in his pace notes, this things happen, fortunately nobody was hurt :)

[ste898]

Much more exciting I think! I really really looking forward to 2013! The drivers who is still there is much tighter in stage times, 1 more factory team with good drivers, 1 more team will start compete under the season and Mini/Prodrive is coming back with the team.

It's going to be a REAL FIGHT and much FUN! :)

Well said

2013 will be first WRC championship worth watching for years bring back the excitement.....

Bring it on 2013!!!

[dimviii]

high possibilities the 2013 champion to be beaten by a part time driver at 4-5 rallies.What a worthy championship/champion.

[COD]

Thanks for sharing darkstar. This accident seems to be caused by dirt on the road.

Verstuurd van mijn MT15i met Tapatalk

Or a case of stupid rules, that only allow grave crews for factory drivers???

[Barreis]

Well said

2013 will be first WRC championship worth watching for years bring back the excitement.....

Bring it on 2013!!!
Yeah, without best driver. :D

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cASL8xdzLEk&feature=player_embedded

[makinen_fan]

the big unanswered question of the rally is:

Where is N.O.T. ??

[Hartusvuori]

the big unanswered question of the rally is:

Where is N.O.T. ??

I haven't seen any post from him since early September. And it is true, no matter whether you agree or disagree, he is missed. :)

[skarderud]

the big unanswered question of the rally is:

Where is N.O.T. ??


probably banned. N.O.T. missing him eighter.

[Mirek]

Or a case of stupid rules, that only allow grave crews for factory drivers???

Also privateers can't test with WRC tyres...

[dimviii]

nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNxm6uF6Pg&feature=player_embedded#!

[Allyc85]

the big unanswered question of the rally is:

Where is N.O.T. ??

After getting over Mat Wilson's return he is now raging over the lady boy F1 drivers possibly visiting his country for the proposed Greek F1 race...

Seriously though it does seem weird with out his bizarre replies!

[dimviii]

Petters crash from another angle,and some nice passages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPBpzSQ1NWU&feature=player_embedded

[Kielder]

Citroen save the King!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g-pX7wQhnU&feature=g-u-u

[ste898]

Yeah, without best driver. :D

whos thats then?

[Juha_Koo]

heavy crash from arzeno:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViP_CnlwMjE

Ouch, very violent. Must have been terrifying seconds running to the car, not seeing the impact, just hearing that ominous loud bang... Those curses say it all, you don't normally whisper obscenities... Luckily they were okay. :up:

Congratulations to Seb and Daniel, simply the best duo. Amazing performance. Also very happy for Latvala, great tarmac result from him! He was like an excited little boy when telling what new ideas he has gotten for tarmac driving. :)

[spiderem]

Congratulations Seb & Daniel, proud to be French... Nice to have been lucky enough to witness such achievement.
Also thank you for bringing so many people to watch and be interested in rally. if you hadn't be so successful, i am not sure any french tv would have bothered covering the rally. So big thanks for that!
Now let's enjoy the last 2 rounds, and can't wait for 2013.
Congrats again, and to Jari Matti and Mikko...

[Mintexmemory]

I've been out of contact all day so just caught up with the final stages. Mssrs Loeb and Elena have created a record which is unlikely ever to be equalled. Neuville now looks ready to be a number 2 in a works team. Chardonnet getting a point despite all his problems and stopping to assist Nasser is outstanding. Sad for Dani but imagine he'll give it all in Catalunya. So now Seb L can drive how he likes the showdown in Sardinia with JML should be something special ;)

[Carlo]

Hayden Paddon's off as viewed from the onboard camera is on his facebook page. Such a simple thing causes so much dissapointment for any other time one would expect to get away with it.

[GigiGalliNo1]

There are videos online from Viasat and MotorsTV of coverage. MotorsTV has Colin Clark and Julian Porter. Viasat has Paul King.

[darkstar]

Ouch, very violent. Must have been terrifying seconds running to the car, not seeing the impact, just hearing that ominous loud bang... Those curses say it all, you don't normally whisper obscenities... Luckily they were okay. :up:

indeed! lots of people were running there standing a bit further down the road. most people standing beside me (and me too) slowed down the next cars.

[Rallyper]

i think it was not only due to dirt, as he was approaching i already thought: "wow, this is too quick." then of course the dirt did the rest...luckily no one was hurt, it was a quite heavy impact on high speed.

And he stopped driving whilst still on the road. (Look at finnish drivers (others as well) when going off they never stop having the plate in the bottom...)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Very much so he went a bit too fast into that corner and wide as well as if he was going to slide around the corner!

[Puyan]

The same thing almost happened to Chardonnet.

(the forum don't allow me to post links until i reach 15 posts so i let you complete the begining of the link below...)



ww.youtube.com/watch?v=B-jWaa4u_fY&feature=player_embedded

[makinen_fan]

is this the same corner as arzeno? look like it

[Puyan]

looks like but i don't think so. (no safety strips on the left of the road before the bend for arzeno's video) The place of chardonnet 's video is called Florivals

[darkstar]

here´s my video from rallye the france:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTadoRJmF3Q

[darkstar]

that´s not the same corner. but gilbert must have crashed at same spot as arzeno in the first run, from what i heard.

[rage82]

is this the same corner as arzeno? look like it

I don' t think so, Chardonnet has his moment at friday on ss2 and Arzeno crashed out saturday if I'm not mistaken.
About Gilbert he crashed also on friday on the 3-rd stage for that day, so it must be not the same place as Arzeno.
Edit: I'm mistaken. You are right darkstar, both Gilbert and Arzeno crashed on the same stage, Quentin on the first loop and Arzeno on the second.

[darkstar]

here´s my video from rallye de france alsace:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTadoRJmF3Q

[makinen_fan]

just seen a video of JML mini off during Saturday. Video is in facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=424616717596273
he is VERY lucky that he finished the rally after that. It could well be another disappointing result from him even though he was competitive pace-wise

[dimviii]

just seen a video of JML mini off during Saturday. Video is in facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=424616717596273
he is VERY lucky that he finished the rally after that. It could well be another disappointing result from him even though he was competitive pace-wise
is there any rally for Jari without mistake?


@tommeke B
fantastic photos!