Rally Deutschland 2012

[trifonvl]

i think ARD Das Erste from 13:15,

Thanks

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Mikkelsen :confused:
Wiegand stopped on stage :(

[René]

It seems Wiegand move again !

[rallye-vid]

Wiegand front right suspension broken.

[René]

NOVIKOV E. / KLINGER N. Reported retired :(

[r199]

Novikov broken driveshaft

[dimviii]

nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXH-WQe5hos&feature=player_embedded

[skarderud]

"Keep pressure on Loeb" and "no reason to take any risks" really does not fit in one sentence...

yeah, quite little meaning in a statement like that. says the most of fords teamtactics, or the missing of that...
wilson is an idiot, coments like that states that.

[stefanvv]

yeah, quite little meaning in a statement like that. says the most of fords teamtactics, or the missing of that...
wilson is an idiot, coments like that states that.

I don't know why we continue to bother about M-Sport's approaches. Both factory teams are highly commercial, nothing special here, the difference is that Citroen are making the trade mark with the sport, M-Sport care just for selling more and more (rally) cars.

[Rallyper]

Complete Nonsense!
Let's make a poll and see how many think your way.
Аny sober person would recognize the achievements of Mr. Backflip.
The guy shows how it should be done and set the pace for years to come.
Get over it!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UboR7FZrys

How much news is it with one man show every year in a championship? Media will be more and more uninterested in WRC with all the aftermath of that. No sponsors no more factory teams, etz.
Sorry, Loeb with all his skills has slowly strangled the WRC. We have to accept his superiority, but how long can we accept that WRC is dying...?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I'd say the problems that threaten the WRC's continued existence have a much deeper cause than Loeb dominating the series.

[BleAivano]

SS14 delays? First car were supposed to start at 11.36 it's gone 10 minutes now and no splits?

[stefanvv]

especially mini... and Ogier was not competitive this year unfortunately....he could be a challenge for sure for the title this year but he did not deliver.... pity... and what about Meeke... he also was a challenger until mid season but after losing the chance to compete in the first 7 rounds i think he doesn't any chances anymore...he might come back to win everything though... Nobre is also getting experience round by round so next year so next year especially if Loeb retires he could be a force...

Little Green Pig attacks: eWRC.cz - po všech stránkách rally… (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=94287) :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

There is split times but not all....Loeb, Latvala Hirvonen etc is missing...

[dimviii]

There is split times but not all....Loeb, Latvala Hirvonen etc is missing...
and if they are correct Neuville on problems

[dimviii]

and if they are correct Neuville on problems

seems like tyre change

[skarderud]

have they turned the startingorder due to powerstage?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Is starting order reversed? Now there is Mikko´s split....

[stefanvv]

have they turned the startingorder due to powerstage?

yes

[dimviii]

seems like tyre change

10:45 Neuville stops at hairpin
Belgian loses a couple of minutes but is on the move again.

[dimviii]

10:56 Oliveira first through stage
Brazilian has some damage to front left wheel of his Ford but is through in 21min 21sec. "It was a rally to learn," he says.

[dimviii]

seems like tyre change

11:00 Neuville and Solberg finish together
Citroen Junior driver reveals: "We had a flat tyre (in the stage) but everything went well and it was nice for me to be behind Petter and follow his lines.

[kirungi okwogera]

Someone remind me what Mathieu Arzeno is driving? Very impressive this rally. Sordo seems to have just taken 10th from him but still...

I want to see more of him (and what's he like on gravel!)

[Mirek]

Arzeno will do all remaining WRC rounds I think. He drove several IRC events this season as well.

But I'm not sure if he is using same WRC tyres. As a privateer he can drive full wet or full slicks like no championship registered driver...

[SubaruNorway]

Any links for live broadcast of the Power Stage?

[Carlos Carvalho]

is there any live broadcast streaming of the powerstage?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Too early to say anything about results, but IF Latvala and Hirvonen get podium, WHEN was last time double podium for FIN drivers in tarmac rally?

[kirungi okwogera]

Oh thanks for explaining Mirek. Yeah I just looked him up, he's in a 207 S2000 it seems, and also hasn't done much of note in IRC this year. 4th IRC in Circuit of Ireland... maybe a "narrow tarmac" expert?

Still, any new young names are welcome in the top 10 - slicks or not!

[skarderud]

i'm not shure, but here? Deine Sportschau (http://www1.sportschau.de/sportschau_specials/deine_sportschau/index.html#play)

i know ARD is sending PS, atleast. not good in german though :)

[Zeropt]

It seems Martin Prokop was not impressed with the organizers and crews that didn`t stop: Bienvenue sur Facebook. Connectez-vous, inscrivez-vous ou découvrez*! (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Martin-Prokop-and-Zden%C4%9Bk-Hr%C5%AFza-WRC-Crew/225782147500475)

[kirungi okwogera]

Understandable from Prokop, I've watched the video and it is a long slow burn, but I am not so sure the organizers are as responsible for saving the car as they are responsible for saving the drivers. If the human lives are safe and the fire not spreading then I'm not sure what the right choice is for the organizers.

[skarderud]

or in between DTM races:ARD Mediathek: Sportschau live - Livestream - Das DTM-Rennen in Zandvoort | Das Erste (http://www.ardmediathek.de/das-erste/sportschau-live/livestream-das-dtm-rennen-in-zandvoort?documentId=11501066)

[trifonvl]

LIVE RACES TV: WRC German rally Deutschland 2012 live streaming, (http://liveraceshow.blogspot.gr/2012/08/wrc-german-rally-deutschland-2012-live.html)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Power Stage prediction

1. Petter Solberg
2. Dani Sordo
3. Mads. Østberg

[Zeropt]

If the human lives are safe and the fire not spreading then I'm not sure what the right choice is for the organizers.

Human lives are safe, ok, but while that car is burning it`s a menace to the proper running of the stage...

[Salist]

Power Stage live broadcast???

[Tom206wrc]

Final SSS running :cool:

[stefanvv]

Final SSS running :cool:

where?

[tolis]

where?

In Trier

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418905_10151178118140733_635141889_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Arzeno, crazy fast guy! Will do Wales with DS3 and Alsace with 207 (supported by FFSA) as I heard, don't know about the other remaining events. He proved to be very fast on gravel as well, he's a guy to keep an eye on... ;)

He should also run Spain(Rally Catalunya)either in the DS3 or the 207(not decided yet) ;)
He's also in good position to win the Citroën Racing Trophy France and the 2WD trophy of french tarmac championship :D

[stefanvv]

In Trier

Aaaaaaah ok, thank you very much. I thought there will be live tv broadcast :laugh:

[Tom206wrc]

Power Stage prediction

1. Petter Solberg
2. Dani Sordo
3. Mads. Østberg


Neuville prevents Solberg and Sordo to get max points :p :

[HarriK]

Petter really slow time...

[AndyRAC]

The Live Power Stage, live on your TV....somewhere.... :mad:

Hurry up RedBull....this is a joke.

[Bartek]

Nasser is 1 now, hmm

[Tom206wrc]

Remains Hirvo, Latvala and Loeb... :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvo fastest so far :bounce:

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala 4th fastest so far...no additional points for Ford on SSS :mark:

[Bartek]

Naser have points from Powerstage, wow :)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hyvä Suomi Finland perkele!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Nasser will be 3rd in Power Stage

[stefanvv]

Latvala 4th fastest so far...no additional points for Ford on SSS :mark:

Does that really matter?

[HarriK]

Loeb fastest
Hirvonen +2.1
Nasser +7.5 !!!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Awesome result from Latvala and Hirvonen! Tarmac rally and double podium to FINLAND! When was the last time when we got this glory in tarmac rally?!

Great...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Great job but LOEB too!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Let me get this right.... Ogier doesn't get which points? Drivers? But he won in his class? But he doesn't technically win?

[Salist]

Congratulation to the finnish guys! Very good results on tarmac race.

[BleAivano]

The question regarding the championship is if Loeb will be able to reach 300p?

He's got 199 now with 4 rallies remaining.

[dimviii]

Loeb 8,3 faster than Jari and 13,7 from Petter at 4,37km........Ogier and Mikkelsen faster than Jari......
Petter what had to loose and didn t push?

NOT maybe is harsh sometimes about scared kids,but....

[Tom206wrc]

Does that really matter?



In a championship additional points can be important, and at least Solberg was aiming these extra points, so... :rolleyes:

[tolis]

Standings after Germany:

Loeb 199
Mikko 145
Petter 104
Ostberg 102
Latvala 87
Novikov 55

[HarriK]

Mikkelssen third in Power Stage!

[GigiGalliNo1]

WAHH!! MIKKELSEN 3rd in POWER STAGE!!

[stefanvv]

The question regarding the championship is if Loeb will be able to reach 300p?

He's got 199 now with 4 rallies remaining.

no, I thing GB will be the cornerstone.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Never final till it's final!

[kirungi okwogera]

Loeb is unreal... say what you will about teams, manufacturers, rally formats, no. 2 drivers etc... he wins this by 2 minutes and a 4km power stage by 2.2, you CAN'T win like this, and you can't win 74 times, without being the absolute best. No conspiracies, just a freak of nature.

I'm glad to see such a perfect driver in my lifetime!

[stefanvv]

WAHH!! MIKKELSEN 3rd in POWER STAGE!!

something strange is happening there (in Trier :D )

[GigiGalliNo1]

Prodrive have said "Powerstage has dried so much that the late runners in S2000s are beating lead WRCs - Sordo 11th on this stage."

[Red bull]

Salute for unbeatabloeb!!!

[kirungi okwogera]

Makes a bit of sense, but still... mikkelsen's time is pretty crazy, even with the drying stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loeb is unreal... say what you will about teams, manufacturers, rally formats, no. 2 drivers etc... he wins this by 2 minutes and a 4km power stage by 2.2, you CAN'T win like this, and you can't win 74 times, without being the absolute best. No conspiracies, just a freak of nature.

I'm glad to see such a perfect driver in my lifetime!

+1

[Brother John]

Prodrive have said "Powerstage has dried so much that the late runners in S2000s are beating lead WRCs - Sordo 11th on this stage."

Therefore, should be the wrc with S2000 cars since last year. ;)

[A FONDO]

Prodrive have said "Powerstage has dried so much that the late runners in S2000s are beating lead WRCs - Sordo 11th on this stage."

A bit like Spain last year, with Hanninen third and Oliveira fourth

[JAM]

Congrats to Loeb, another win that is not notice around the world. The guy is the best of the moment, no doubts about that.

Ford were really far from Citroen, and Hirvonen was invisible.

The very fast Chris Atkinson replaced Armindo Araujo, Atkinson at the end of the rally was 15s faster than Armindo in 2011, comparing the differences to the winner. It's confirmed: a car at Motorsport Italia hands is really a crap.

[dimviii]

Makes a bit of sense, but still... mikkelsen's time is pretty crazy, even with the drying stage.

not so crazy,is inside the sec/km a s2000 looses from a wrc car.

Waiting for Wilson to say ''good rally for us as we have 3 fiestas at top 10'' :p

Solberg after stage 13 before some hours.
SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON C. (st. č. 4) "I just have setup for last superspecial basically. Difficult to drive stage now, but it's OK."

Loeb ruined the sport.

[stefanvv]

A bit like Spain last year, with Hanninen third and Oliveira fourth

The opposite. It was raining back then and guys with softs were making incredible times.

[stefanvv]

Loeb ruined the sport.

He did, he is backflipping alien :D (no disrespect)

[JAM]

It seems Martin Prokop was not impressed with the organizers and crews that didn`t stop: Bienvenue sur Facebook. Connectez-vous, inscrivez-vous ou découvrez*! (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Martin-Prokop-and-Zden%C4%9Bk-Hr%C5%AFza-WRC-Crew/225782147500475)

It's the obvious position. Letting a car start to burn while the others pass near, it's a really strange situation.

Ok, it's rallying at 21st century. The declining of rallying is the result of signs and situations.

[hanjob11]

Hello,

photos of today ar online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/sonntag__2010/album_1_2020/deutschland12_wp13kh_004_20120826_1430924305.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/sonntag__2010/album_2_2032/deutschland12_regroupingsokh_53_20120826_159137458 2.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/sonntag__2010/album_1_2020/deutschland12_wp13kh_040_20120826_1302524314.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/sonntag__2010/album_2_2032/deutschland12_regroupingsokh_48_20120826_192371938 4.jpg

Karsten

[rallye-sport]

Third day -> Photos Rallye Allemagne 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-allemagne-2012/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/img_5995.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/mg_5622.jpg

[tolis]

A bit like Spain last year, with Hanninen third and Oliveira fourth

You mean Oliveira 4th and Hanninen 5th. ;)
eWRC-results.com - results Rally RACC Catalunya - Costa Daurada 2011 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=2372&t=Rally-RACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2011)


Congrats to Loeb, another win that is not notice around the world. The guy is the best of the moment, no doubts about that.

Ford were really far from Citroen, and Hirvonen was invisible.

The very fast Chris Atkinson replaced Armindo Araujo, Atkinson at the end of the rally was 15s faster than Armindo in 2011, comparing the differences to the winner. It's confirmed: a car at Motorsport Italia hands is really a crap.

You cannot judge Atko from his first time in a Mini WRC. We have to wait.

[stefanvv]

You cannot judge Atko from his first time in a Mini WRC. We have to wait.

I agree, he didn't made any ambitious promises before this Rally.

[Rom1]

Pics update : HERE (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434954953213526.95157.279998242042532&type=1)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221905_435953889780299_1318829452_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/574608_435954203113601_656149600_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/574762_435954009780287_1700497378_n.jpg

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_81d10f7de7.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_22cfa61cbf.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_4c62d9ea53.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_0a5e38611e.jpg

More photos from DAY 3 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1068)

[Mirek]

Yesterday I spoke with Zdeněk Hrůza. He told me that the brake pipe was not cut so that the reason of fire was most likely broken damper cartridge by the pieces of tyre.

[Carlos Carvalho]

just another day in the park for Loeb.............

[CWJ]

Looking for pics of national #123 white Porsche R.Zeltner if anybody can offer to hasonen gmx net pls

Thx

[userwave]

Loeb is an easy guy to hate, I used to think he was ruining the WRC by making it "boring & predictable" but he is the best driver of all time, and I think we all should feel fortunate we have been able to witness this unfold in real time over the years.

Winning an event by 2 minutes is unreal, winning an event 9 times is unreal, winning almost 75 WRC rallies is unreal.

Solberg and the rest have lots to learn from Loeb, I have always felt half of the secret to Loeb's success is his mannerism and his ability to be cool, calm and collected at ALL times. Sure he is highly motivated, but he keep's it under control.

Somebody like Solberg is like a firecracker, always high strung and on the edge and he has the results to prove it.

[Carlos Carvalho]

Loeb is an easy guy to hate, I used to think he was ruining the WRC by making it "boring & predictable" but he is the best driver of all time, and I think we all should feel fortunate we have been able to witness this unfold in real time over the years.

Winning an event by 2 minutes is unreal, winning an event 9 times is unreal, winning almost 75 WRC rallies is unreal.

Solberg and the rest have lots to learn from Loeb, I have always felt half of the secret to Loeb's success is his mannerism and his ability to be cool, calm and collected at ALL times. Sure he is highly motivated, but he keep's it under control.

Somebody like Solberg is like a firecracker, always high strung and on the edge and he has the results to prove it.


I agree 100%!

[Puyan]

Not a great rally to follow... a 2 min lead at the end... latvala, solberg ,hirvo looked bored too ;you never felt a really figthing spirit.
hopefully, Loeb will stop at the end of the year(or doing some choose events )... that would be the perfect timing in my opinion. New manufacturer, incoming fast youngers , four top pilots very close in performance(tarmac included) ; next year could be a really interesting championship.
(of course, congrats to loeb for his acheivements but 10 years... is long)

[Mirek]

Hopefully Loeb will NOT stop. New champion shall take the crown from Loeb while he is still active. If he wins the title only because Loeb already retired his title will look just like a result of lucky circumstances. I really don't understand why people think that retirement of the best competitor can make any competition better...

[Barreis]

Next year will be nice fight Loeb/Ogier.

[Puyan]

Hopefully Loeb will NOT stop. New champion shall take the crown from Loeb while he is still active. If he wins the title only because Loeb already retired his title will look just like a result of lucky circumstances. I really don't understand why people think that retirement of the best competitor can make any competition better...
Of course, but the problem is we can't see it happened for now. No cleaning for him this year, the standings of the championship at the end of the year won't be nice to look at... Plus he won't compete forever, so this year or next year. I think it could be a psychological release for the rest of pilots and give us some unexpected performance and a nice championship too.

[stefanvv]

just another day in the park for Loeb.............

Not in the park, this time in the vineyards in his own Schateux :facelick: .

[wrchirek]

Tänak was withrawn by M-Sport (to enable the fitting of key linked components for the next asphalt event in France), so Sordo 9th, Arzeno 10th.

[Zeropt]

German organizers provided police escort to Chris Atkinson, between stages, because of rumors of threats from alleged supporters of Armindo Araújo, even preventing the passage of other vehicles so that he could warm up his tires, said Martin Holmes to the portuguese Autosport! lol

Beware the bogeyman!! :D :D

[AMSS]

Next year will be nice fight Loeb/Ogier.
From everything I have heard there will not be any fight next year between these 2 as VW performance still has miles to improve. Ofcourse they still have time, but there are serious questions still open within VW...

[dimviii]

From everything I have heard there will not be any fight next year between these 2 as VW performance still has miles to improve. Ofcourse they still have time, but there are serious questions still open within VW...

any more info AMSS about vw progress?

[Zeropt]

ALL P1 drivers have police escort in Germany, and it has been like that since 2002 I think.

Okay ;) , but it surely wasnt because of threats from alleged supporters... :rolleyes:

[dimviii]

Tänak was withrawn by M-Sport (to enable the fitting of key linked components for the next asphalt event in France), so Sordo 9th, Arzeno 10th.

didn t understant this one.Anybody to explain?

[JoostSchouten]

My video of this great rally is online! Including Solberg on three wheels, Sordo hitting a chicane and lots of other cool action.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mDTDRMCeWU

[Zeropt]

didn t understant this one.Anybody to explain?


Maybe something to do with number of new components you can change in a year, like in F1?

[Barreis]

Sebastien drives with brain... :D
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Daniel Elena (http://www.wrc.com/news/qa-daniel-elena/?fid=17355)

[René]

Maybe something to do with number of new components you can change in a year, like in F1?

That's true that Msport has a big need in spare parts.... :)

[wrchirek]

didn t understant this one.Anybody to explain?

Each manufacturer must nominate twp links of three rallies, and one link of two rallies, in which thew will use the same transmission and the same spare parts (subframes, steering racks, turbochargers).

Official info: "Ott Tanak restarted under Rally 2 rules following his exit on Saturday’s closing test and finished ninth on the road behind London 2012 Olympics bronze medallist Nasser Al-Attiyah, who was fourth fastest on the Power Stage on his WRC comeback with the Qatar World Rally Team. However, the Estonian was withdrawn from the event to enable the fitting of key linked components for the next asphalt event in France."

[A FONDO]

Official info: "Ott Tanak restarted under Rally 2 rules following his exit on Saturday’s closing test and finished ninth on the road behind London 2012 Olympics bronze medallist Nasser Al-Attiyah, who was fourth fastest on the Power Stage on his WRC comeback with the Qatar World Rally Team. However, the Estonian was withdrawn from the event to enable the fitting of key linked components for the next asphalt event in France."
Which media wrote this?

[dimviii]

Each manufacturer must nominate twp links of three rallies, and one link of two rallies, in which thew will use the same transmission and the same spare parts (subframes, steering racks, turbochargers).

Official info: "Ott Tanak restarted under Rally 2 rules following his exit on Saturday’s closing test and finished ninth on the road behind London 2012 Olympics bronze medallist Nasser Al-Attiyah, who was fourth fastest on the Power Stage on his WRC comeback with the Qatar World Rally Team. However, the Estonian was withdrawn from the event to enable the fitting of key linked components for the next asphalt event in France."

thanks,i know about the 2-3 rallies they have to use same transmission etc,but cant understant what they gain with withdraw.

[stefanvv]

Sebastien drives with brain... :D
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Daniel Elena (http://www.wrc.com/news/qa-daniel-elena/?fid=17355)

Of course he does. In fact everybody does that, the brain sends electrical impulses to the neurons of their arms and legs and controls them. The difference probably is how different drivers uses it! :D Probably Elena meant something like that :D Here in Bulgaria we have a synonym for brain, which might translate to english like "consciousness".

[Psycho!]

Or they want to put "magnufacturer" parts after his good tarmac performance??

[wrchirek]

Which media wrote this?

wrc.com: http://www.wrc.com/news/sunday-wrap-loeb-strikes-back-in-germany/?fid=17351

and on M-Sport's own webpage as well: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/1204-pace-and-potential-unrewarded-for-taenak-in-germany

[stefanvv]

I'm totally lost in Tanak's case :confused: Why they can't use replaced components? Because don't want to? And what this has to do with retirement really? That doesn't count for participation?

[Rautiainen]

I did not get the problem with Tanak. Could someone explain what is the case?

[N.O.T]

Any news about Latvala and VW ?? or latvala has not got the sponsorship money he needs to go there yet ??

[stefanvv]

Yeah, where is the most interesting part of the Rally?

EDIT: And wasn't Reb Bull supposed to provide details of their promotion of the series during it?

[rallye-vid]

@stefanvv & Rautiainen - they changed the whole rear differential. Thats what i saw yesterday in the service parc.

Maybe they had to use the old one for the rally? Or maybe they tested something new.. ;)

@N.O.T - nope, didn't hear anything (yet)

[stefanvv]

@stefanvv & Rautiainen - they changed the whole rear differential. Thats what i saw yesterday in the service parc.

Maybe they had to use the old one for the rally? Or maybe they tested something new.. ;)

Thank you. May be it is secret... M-Sport's article doesn't tell anything clear...

[Viking]

I'm totally lost in Tanak's case :confused: Why they can't use replaced components? Because don't want to? And what this has to do with retirement really? That doesn't count for participation?

64.5 LIMITATION OF TRANSMISSION & SPARE PARTS
64.5.1 For a Manufacturer or a WRC Team, a list of linked rallies intended to be run with the same transmission and spare parts must be notified to the FIA prior to the first rally in which they will take part as:

- 1 link of 2 rallies per car and 3 links of 3 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a Manufacturer or a WRC team which has nominated all Championship rallies.
- 4 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 10-12 rallies.
- 3 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 7, 8 or 9 rallies.

If a car does not finish a rally of a link, new transmission and spare parts may be sealed at scrutineering of the next rally.

[stefanvv]

64.5 LIMITATION OF TRANSMISSION & SPARE PARTS
64.5.1 For a Manufacturer or a WRC Team, a list of linked rallies intended to be run with the same transmission and spare parts must be notified to the FIA prior to the first rally in which they will take part as:

- 1 link of 2 rallies per car and 3 links of 3 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a Manufacturer or a WRC team which has nominated all Championship rallies.
- 4 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 10-12 rallies.
- 3 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 7, 8 or 9 rallies.

If a car does not finish a rally of a link, new transmission and spare parts may be sealed at scrutineering of the next rally.

Thank you. That makes little more sense (of course we don't know which links were used and when).

[rally-12]

My video of this rally:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9ulZru55k

[MartijnS]

My photos are online too!

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/Al-Swaidi%203.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/Novikov%204.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/Sordo%203.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/Loeb%201.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/Solberg%204.jpg

More at our website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2012/rallyedeutschland/rallyedeutschland.html) or at our Facebook page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) !

[dimviii]

64.5 LIMITATION OF TRANSMISSION & SPARE PARTS
64.5.1 For a Manufacturer or a WRC Team, a list of linked rallies intended to be run with the same transmission and spare parts must be notified to the FIA prior to the first rally in which they will take part as:

- 1 link of 2 rallies per car and 3 links of 3 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a Manufacturer or a WRC team which has nominated all Championship rallies.
- 4 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 10-12 rallies.
- 3 links of 2 rallies per seasonally allocated car number for a WRC Team which has nominated 7, 8 or 9 rallies.

If a car does not finish a rally of a link, new transmission and spare parts may be sealed at scrutineering of the next rally.

ΤHanks Viking,even we dont know what they gain.
Maybe the rear diff had a problem from Tanaks exit when he ripped the rear wheel,and they changed it,while due to regulations they don t allowed to change due to 2-3 rallies with same differential? Maybe the withdraw is to avoid the scrutineers to inspect?

[stefanvv]

My video of this rally

Best video from Deutchland so far. :up:

[GioRallyReport]

My video:

ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://www.rallyandraces.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4078:adac-rallye-deutschland&catid=75:2012&Itemid=130)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa233/snijersFE/videoadac.jpg

[bassist]

My video of this great rally is online! Including Solberg on three wheels, Sordo hitting a chicane and lots of other cool action.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mDTDRMCeWU

You never fail to deliver Joost! Brilliant!

[stefanvv]

My video

That is proper Rally sound :s pinhead:

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqU6FKxH3Q

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoJylQVzQPw

[rallyeaddictcom]

Hello,
My video of the rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0BT879YW7c

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Loeb, another win that is not notice around the world. The guy is the best of the moment, no doubts about that.



Understatement of the year! Look at the records JAM, the "moment" has began in 2003... :s mokin:

[darkstar]

here´s my video of rallye deutschland 2012:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Hg4am0PhA

[Rambosmall]

WK rally Duitsland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkbJr7_KGs)

[jolle1982]

My Pictures are Online!!!
http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_01_1346067314.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_51_1346068953.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_27_1346067327.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_11_1346067319.jpg

<<< Fotos ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 >>> (http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=139%3Arallye-deutschland&Itemid=2)

[mas-racing]

my video of a great Deutschland Rally 2012 : WRC ADAC Rally Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xymmc61MTRs)

[alleskids]

Congrats to Loeb, another win that is not notice around the world. The guy is the best of the moment, no doubts about that.


why would the world notice something that is absolutely logical at this moment? What was new this weekend in WRC world? As long as WRC is Groundhog day every rally again and again, the world has nothing to notice about. Don't get me wrong, Loeb derserves al the wins in the past, and all the future rallywins this year as he wil win Wales, Spain, France, Italy, no doubt about it. But his dominance destroys WRC because the press is not more interesting in WRC win by Loeb as they are interested in the weather report of Saoudi arabia: sunny and hot again and again and again

[Rallyper]

why would the world notice something that is absolutely logical at this moment? What was new this weekend in WRC world? As long as WRC is Groundhog day every rally again and again, the world has nothing to notice about. Don't get me wrong, Loeb derserves al the wins in the past, and all the future rallywins this year as he wil win Wales, Spain, France, Italy, no doubt about it. But his dominance destroys WRC because the press is not more interesting in WRC win by Loeb as they are interested in the weather report of Saoudi arabia: sunny and hot again and again and again

+1

Media world only notice when there´s news. Loeb winning isn´t news anymore.

Media would be excited if we had 4-5 drivers fighting the wins in every rally. So alleskids; agree 100%.

[stefanvv]

There weren't actually news here. Last two rallies all news are:
Loeb takes the lead after stage 1
Loeb leads at day1 midday wrap
Leob leads after day1.
Same with other days...
Leob wins...
This is not news.

But I'm more concerned about other news - VW driver lineup for 2013 & details about Red Bull's promotion.

[AndyRAC]

Hmm, so what happened to these announcements? I thought Rallye Deutschland was the place to make them?

[JoostSchouten]

You never fail to deliver Joost! Brilliant!
Thanks!

[kchung]

Hello,

Here's my take of Rallye Deutschland 2012.

Dhrontal - with the heavy rain in the wooded part of the stage, made it felt like being in Wales.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8289/7872880850_0b69086f5c_c.jpg

Peterberg - Nasser Al Attiyah, over shoots a hairpin near the finish.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7872849460_2198ab51d2_c.jpg

Peterberg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7872832378_cc50300c32_c.jpg

Mittelmosel
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8295/7872719412_5dc7112f84_c.jpg

Grafschaft - Sébastien Loeb must have been driving flat out, he produced longest jump with sparks flying on landing, but still lost out to Jari-Matti Latvala.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8288/7872777790_dfd7bd2f83_c.jpg

The rest of the set can be found at Flickr: kyn_chung's Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8921569@N07/)

[Mirek]

Onboard Arzeno SS8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RZJzop3GnY

[darkstar]

here´s my video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Hg4am0PhA

[6789]

Some really nice videos and pictures from the rally - well done everyone!

The only thing which made TV news here in Aus was Prokop's car burning to the ground..

[gianni123]

movie online @ WRC ADAC RALLY DEUTSCHLAND - 2012 - (http://gyrallypictures.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/show/17011458-wrc-adac-rally-deutschland-2012)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKGV8VYzUEI&feature=player_embedded

[kchung]

Hi,

Here's my take for Rallye Deutschland 2012:

Mittelmosel - Martin Prokop
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7872749756_a6734680e4_c.jpg

Dhrontal - Jari-Matti Latvala
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8289/7872880850_0b69086f5c_c.jpg

Peterberg - Nasser Al Attiyah
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8286/7872857710_595d9fb6b3_c.jpg

Grafschaft - Sébastien Loeb
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8288/7872777790_dfd7bd2f83_c.jpg

Mittelmosel - Sébastien Loeb
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8295/7872719412_5dc7112f84_c.jpg

Further images from the set can be found here - Flickr: kyn_chung's Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8921569@N07/)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Hmm, so what happened to these announcements? I thought Rallye Deutschland was the place to make them?
As far as I know, it was never confirmed that the announcements would be made in Germany - it was only assumed and/or rumoured.

[René]

The shortest way is not always the quickest, nor the surest. When you want to see arrival or to win !

http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/47/50/08/solber10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=394&u=11475008)

http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/47/50/08/loeb_210.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=395&u=11475008)

Source: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 (http://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/)

[rallymen123]

My pics are online on bvrallypics (http://www.bvrallypics.be)

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_DeutschlandZ-Z2012239.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_DeutschlandZ-Z2012645.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_Deutschland-S-V2012197.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_Deutschland-S-V2012368.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/sized_Deutschland-S-V2012465.jpg

[rallysupportnl]

Photos WRC Rally Deutschland 2012 oline! (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=196/)
http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/wrcgermany2012/WRCGERMANY2012RS0001.JPG
http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/wrcgermany2012/WRCGERMANY2012RS0088.JPG
http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/wrcgermany2012/WRCGERMANY2012RS0031.JPG
http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/wrcgermany2012/WRCGERMANY2012RS0020.JPG

[rallyfanbelgium]

martin prokop his car :(
Rally car on fire !!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZy5Pfos3dU)

[LolaLuigi]

My video of the ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 ! Hope you like it !!!!

Speed differents @ ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0iIJXGYN6c&feature=plcp)

[Eddie1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUFymTJ0Pvw
Czech Rally Videos on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/czechrallyvideos)

[stefanvv]

My video of the ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 ! Hope you like it !!!!

Speed differents @ ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0iIJXGYN6c&feature=plcp)

Oh yeah. If anyone isn't convinced between car differences, this tells it all. Citroen brake points are later and shorter, which allows the drivers to develop higher speed, looks like their brakes are much more effective than Ford ones. Mini though is lot further behind.

[Mintexmemory]

Oh yeah. If anyone isn't convinced between car differences, this tells it all. Citroen brake points are later and shorter, which allows the drivers to develop higher speed, looks like their brakes are much more effective than Ford ones. Mini though is lot further behind.
Hence to be competitive the Ford drivers are on the limit (no margin for error) with greater levels of concentration required. That JML has shown that he is capable of beating Loeb on gravel and Hirvonen anywhere should be remembered.

[Flossy Loeb]

Loeb is unreal... say what you will about teams, manufacturers, rally formats, no. 2 drivers etc... he wins this by 2 minutes and a 4km power stage by 2.2, you CAN'T win like this, and you can't win 74 times, without being the absolute best. No conspiracies, just a freak of nature.

I'm glad to see such a perfect driver in my lifetime!



Me too - Loeb and Elena, just the very best :)

[Mirek]

Oh yeah. If anyone isn't convinced between car differences, this tells it all. Citroen brake points are later and shorter, which allows the drivers to develop higher speed, looks like their brakes are much more effective than Ford ones. Mini though is lot further behind.

That proves nothing. Only the first spot shows big differences and why is a question. We don't know which tyre compound they had, how far in stage it was etc. There is little to invent with brakes under WRC rules. I think that if there is some major difference in brake effectiveness it's more in differential and suspension settings than in brakes itself.

[stefanvv]

That proves nothing. Only the first spot shows big differences and why is a question. We don't know which tyre compound they had, how far in stage it was etc. There is little to invent with brakes under WRC rules. I think that if there is some major difference in brake effectiveness it's more in differential and suspension settings than in brakes itself.

I understand the different reasons, but I think all top drivers drove with same tyres almost all event and only Ford complaint about their brakes!

EDIT: As for not much to do with brakes - aren't disk diameters and brake pads totally different for tarmac and gravel rallies?

[rallyfiend]

Some really nice videos and pictures from the rally - well done everyone!

The only thing which made TV news here in Aus was Prokop's car burning to the ground..

All the programmes are on Speed Channel in Australia.

[makinen_fan]

I understand the different reasons, but I think all top drivers drove with same tyres almost all event and only Ford complaint about their brakes!

Yes but this have to do mainly with brake cooling and fade in long stages and not the absolute performance. I wouldn't imagine that there are massive differences in performance, with brand new tyres of same compound. Also the drivers' abilities are very important!

[janvanvurpa]

That proves nothing. Only the first spot shows big differences and why is a question. We don't know which tyre compound they had, how far in stage it was etc. There is little to invent with brakes under WRC rules. I think that if there is some major difference in brake effectiveness it's more in differential and suspension settings than in brakes itself.

Then again some----me---might say that the major difference is the person operation the brakes..
It really hardly takes much hard thinking to mash the gas full and hold it (rather it takes suspension of thinking).
Doesn't REALLY strain the brain to remember how to wiggle the stick to shift gears..

It seems---for my extreeeeeeeeeemmmely limited experience----the most judgement related thing that occurs inside the car--(to contrast what happens on the stands in service or back at the builders' HQ)---is the judgement on when to brake, and how vigorously...that that almost alone is a decision internal to the driver's brain.
Of course what do i know? Just because it was just systematic hours and hours of training and concentrating just on braking was what the difference was between me being a local guy to getting paid to drive all over Western Europe and bang my head into the dirt.

Not all applications of brakes---the decision part---were created equally..

[dimviii]

The shortest way is not always the quickest, nor the surest. When you want to see arrival or to win !

http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/47/50/08/solber10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=394&u=11475008)

http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/47/50/08/loeb_210.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=395&u=11475008)

Source: ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 (http://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/)

http://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9156.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9149.jpghttp://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9174.jpghttp://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9163.jpg

Loeb is lucky

[stefanvv]

Yeah, I remember some comment from M-Sport engineer to M. Ostberg in this Rally: "You are braking too much"...
Otherwise, yes I agree the most important device in a Rally car is the Central Processing Unit between the driver's ears.

[janvanvurpa]

Yeah, I remember some comment from M-Sport engineer to M. Ostberg in this Rally: "You are braking too much"...
Otherwise, yes I agree the most important device in a Rally car is the Central Processing Unit between the drivers ears.

Well remember that braking is done to slow the car but every bit as important is to transfer weight around from here to there.
remember gravel or asphalt only a tire with weight on it will bite, so you want weight up front and outside for cornering? Brake and twitch the steering wheel and hold the brakes on while giving some gas..Weight goes forward then outside and pushes on tire, and around the corner you go..
Might be the youngsters brake a LOT as "security blanket".. I see that a LOT al the US level..
The guys aren't going fast enough or hard enough yet many are dragging their brakes constantly because they read on some forum about "The INDISPENSABILITY!!!! of Left Foot Braking" therefore they drag their brakes till the discs glow.

[bluuford]

I understand the different reasons, but I think all top drivers drove with same tyres almost all event and only Ford complaint about their brakes!


That is a bit big generalisation.. there were bigger tire choice differences than just some minor differences.

[dimviii]

My video of the ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 ! Hope you like it !!!!

Speed differents @ ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0iIJXGYN6c&feature=plcp)

very nice work,thanks!

[dimviii]

Oh yeah. If anyone isn't convinced between car differences, this tells it all. Citroen brake points are later and shorter, which allows the drivers to develop higher speed, looks like their brakes are much more effective than Ford ones. Mini though is lot further behind.

from this video speeds are just indicated,you can t make conclusions.In one part Neuville was 4-5km/h more than Loeb.
We dont know the exit speed of the previous corner,so how can say that this is more powerfull than the other? Same about brakes.

[stefanvv]

from this video speeds are just indicated,you can t make conclusions.In one part Neuville was 4-5km/h more than Loeb.
We dont know the exit speed of the previous corner,so how can say that this is more powerfull than the other? Same about brakes.

I didn't said anything about power. But from braking point of view packed Citroen & Ford performance together and that kind of made me wonder. May be their brake systems are the same, I don't really know, but it was curious for me. Great video though :up:

[dimviii]

At 1,32 & 3,10 see the different aproach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WyRCaVSubMQ#%21

[Rom1]

Some more...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378675_436378503071171_261232890_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553954_436377916404563_526485832_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/284667_436378659737822_875410740_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293013_436378316404523_1485097405_n.jpg

[Mirek]

I didn't said anything about power. But from braking point of view packed Citroen & Ford performance together and that kind of made me wonder. May be their brake systems are the same, I don't really know, but it was curious for me. Great video though :up:

In two of three places JML has same or higher speed before starting braking than Loeb (better to say same within the accuracy of the speedgun). Only in the first one he is so slow. How could he brake into those other corners if his brakes were so bad? Don't overestimate what You see about knowing more information to judge.

[denjos]

My pictures online at www.rallyjos.be (http://www.rallyjos.be)

[OldF]

…and the speed at certain point on a stage doesn’t tell the whole truth.

Vauhdin maailama made their traditional speed measurement during NORF on four different stages, one spot on Urria and Leustu 1, two different spots on Palsankylä and two on Ouninpohja at the yellow house jump. What I still missed was measurements at the apex , arrival or departure from a fast turn, at least some other turns than a junction.

SS 4 Urria, 500 m straight - gently sloping uphill – 90 degree turn (most of the top drivers started to break after the measuring point, some before it:

1. Hirvonen, Citroen 150 km/h
2. Tänak, Ford 149
=. Östberg, Ford 149
=. Rantanen, Ford 149
5. Solberg, Ford 148
=. Novikov, Ford 148
=. Block, Ford 148
8. Atkinson, Citroen 145 (Intercom problems)
=. Neuville, Citroen 145
10. Kruuda, Ford 144
11. Loeb, Citroen 141
=. Ketomaa 141
=. Latvala 141

SS4 Urria stage results:

Pos No Driver Time Diff Prev Diff 1st
1. 1 S. LOEB 5:59.5 0.0 0.0
2. 2 M. HIRVONEN 5:59.8 +0.3 +0.3
3. 3 J. LATVALA 6:00.4 +0.6 +0.9
4. 4 P. SOLBERG 6:00.9 +0.5 +1.4
5. 8 T. NEUVILLE 6:03.6 +2.7 +4.1
6. 6 E. NOVIKOV 6:03.8 +0.2 +4.3
7. 5 O. TÄNAK 6:04.1 +0.3 +4.6
8. 10 M. ØSTBERG 6:04.1 0.0 +4.6
9. 7 C. ATKINSON 6:07.5 +3.4 +8.0
10. 17 J. KETOMAA 6:09.2 +1.7 +9.7
11. 18 M. RANTANEN 6:10.0 +0.8 +10.5
16. 43 K. BLOCK 6:20.9 +0.9 +21.4
23. 54 K. KRUUDA 6:27.7 +1.2 +28.2

SS 7 Palsankylä 1, measuring point 50 m after a junction (accelerating)
1. Hirvonen 97
=. Solberg 97
3. Loeb 96
=. Latvala 96
5. Tänak 95
=. Novikov 95
7. Atkinson 94
=. Östberg 94
=. Ketomaa 94
=. Rantanen 94
11. Neuville 93
12. Prokop 89
=. Mikkelsen 89
17. Lappi 88
21. Ogier 87

SS 7 Palsankylä stage results:

Pos No Driver Time Diff Prev Diff 1st
1. 1 S. LOEB 7:06.8 0.0 0.0
2. 3 J. LATVALA 7:08.7 +1.9 +1.9
3. 4 P. SOLBERG 7:09.0 +0.3 +2.2
4. 2 M. HIRVONEN 7:09.2 +0.2 +2.4
5. 10 M. ØSTBERG 7:10.6 +1.4 +3.8
6. 8 T. NEUVILLE 7:11.9 +1.3 +5.1
7. 7 C. ATKINSON 7:16.6 +4.7 +9.8
8. 5 O. TÄNAK 7:16.9 +0.3 +10.1
9. 18 M. RANTANEN 7:23.3 +6.4 +16.5
10. 6 E. NOVIKOV 7:25.7 +2.4 +18.9
11. 17 J. KETOMAA 7:25.8 +0.1 +19.0
12. 20 S. OGIER 7:29.4 +3.6 +22.6
13. 15 M. PROKOP 7:30.1 +0.7 +23.3
14. 21 A. MIKKELSEN 7:32.0 +1.9 +25.2
15. 49 E. LAPPI 7:32.1 +0.1 +25.3

SS 14 Leustu 1, gently sloping uphill – crest – gentle left turn – junction to right (I don’t know where the measuring point exactly was, probably on the crest because they said that Neuville didn’t started to break until before the left turn vs. Ketomaa that was breaking hard on the crest, or little before):

1. Neuville 169 km/h
2. Solberg 160
3. Tänak 159
=. Östberg 159
5. Nikara 158
6. Loeb 156
7. Ogier 154
8. Prokop 151
9. Hirvonen 151
10. Rantanen 148
=. Kruuda 148
=. Andersson 148
13. Salo 146
14. Latvala 145
=. Mikkelsen 145
16. Breen 143
=. Lappi 143
20. Novikov 141
35. Atkinson 133
40. Araújo 132
=. Ketomaa 132

SS 14 Leustu 1 stage results:

Pos No Driver Time Diff Prev Diff 1st
1. 2 M. HIRVONEN 10:25.8 0.0 0.0
2. 1 S. LOEB 10:27.3 +1.5 +1.5
3. 3 J. LATVALA 10:30.7 +3.4 +4.9
4. 5 O. TÄNAK 10:33.6 +2.9 +7.8
5. 4 P. SOLBERG 10:33.7 +0.1 +7.9
6. 10 M. ØSTBERG 10:35.0 +1.3 +9.2
7. 17 J. KETOMAA 10:48.5 +13.5 +22.7
8. 8 T. NEUVILLE 10:49.2 +0.7 +23.4
9. 18 M. RANTANEN 10:50.3 +1.1 +24.5
10. 6 E. NOVIKOV 10:56.1 +5.8 +30.3
11. 15 M. PROKOP 10:56.7 +0.6 +30.9
12. 7 C. ATKINSON 11:01.6 +4.9 +35.8
13. 20 S. OGIER 11:06.4 +4.8 +40.6
14. 49 E. LAPPI 11:07.3 +0.9 +41.5
15. 21 A. MIKKELSEN 11:08.2 +0.9 +42.4
16. 54 K. KRUUDA 11:09.2 +1.0 +43.4
17. 12 A. ARAÚJO 11:10.1 +0.9 +44.3
18. 51 J. NIKARA 11:11.2 +1.1 +45.4

[stefanvv]

No, it doesn't really:
S. Loeb - 1: 164, 2: 147, 3: 169
M. Hirvonen - 1: 162, 2: 143, 3: 168
P. Solberg - 1: 161, 3: 170
M. Ostberg - 1: 158, 3: 165
J.M Latvalla - 1: 152, 2: 145, 3: 165
T. Neuville - 1: 167, 2: 146, 3: 167
M. Prokop - 1: 152
D. Sordo - 1: 154
O. Tanak - 1: 160

But interesting statistics anyway.

[OldF]

What I forgot to tell about the observations of the VM crew at the yellow house jump, was that the Fords was landing more on their nose compared to the Citroens. The VM crew suspected that the problem could be with the rear suspension of the Fiesta that having the rear dampers + springs leaning more backwards compared to Citroen. Could IMO be an aerodynamic issue as well? I don’t know.

Little off topic from Adac rally but hope you don’t mind Brother John.

[Zeropt]

Made by the RallyMania (http://www.youtube.com/user/joaopedrosousaprod) guys from Portugal:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1eWie6nps

[darkstar]

onboard with ruben zeltner in the porsche gt3 on stage 8:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25fiNlgr_mU

[Zeropt]

Now that`s what i call Rallying! :cool:

[Mintexmemory]

Is it just me or is 'Gina' not that amazing as a spectacle (went there in 2010) - Certainly not in the same league as Coiluna Crestata (imvho)

[René]

http://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9149.jpghttp://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9174.jpghttp://www.photosdenis.fr/galerie_rallye/2012/deutschland_2012/Album_2/slides/IMG_9163.jpg

Loeb is lucky

Maybe cleaver ! ;)

Photo's online, only on Facebook at the moment.


Click here (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.496643947032267.131024.409395195757143&type=1)...


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Photo's online, but only on Facebook at the moment.
Click (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.496643947032267.131024.409395195757143&type=1)...


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[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9AtjalE2Q&feature=player_embedded

[mousti]

Auditioning for Gymkhana? :D Or just a bad note..

[steffforno]

From the article above. "Some 200 000 spectators are expected." I remember that in 2002 or 2003 they said there were around 350 000 spectators, big difference...

You know!!! In the 2002/2003 the CAR was a lot of spetacular... Now the CAR are like to F1!!!

[dimviii]

“During the event Ott caused damage to one of his allotted rear differentials. Withdrawing Ott from the event was a big decision and a big sacrifice but it means that we can now seal new transmissions for the remainder of the link without incurring a penalty as described in the WRC regulations.
“Under the regulations we could have still finished the event with Ott and claimed a new transmission set by using a ‘joker’, however due to the number of events remaining this year we have decided to keep this option should we need it at a later date when a driver of the M-Sport Ford World Rally Team is in a higher position.”

World Rally Championship - News - Tanak's Germany withdrawal explained (http://www.wrc.com/news/tanaks-germany-withdrawal-explained/?fid=17369)

[spiderem]

“During the event Ott caused damage to one of his allotted rear differentials. Withdrawing Ott from the event was a big decision and a big sacrifice but it means that we can now seal new transmissions for the remainder of the link without incurring a penalty as described in the WRC regulations.
“Under the regulations we could have still finished the event with Ott and claimed a new transmission set by using a ‘joker’, however due to the number of events remaining this year we have decided to keep this option should we need it at a later date when a driver of the M-Sport Ford World Rally Team is in a higher position.”

World Rally Championship - News - Tanak's Germany withdrawal explained (http://www.wrc.com/news/tanaks-germany-withdrawal-explained/?fid=17369)

Is this not going against all the efforts from the FIA to make the WRC cheaper??? I think M-Sport should be fined for doing such practice...

[wrc1600]

Is this not going against all the efforts from the FIA to make the WRC cheaper??? I think M-Sport should be fined for doing such practice...

It is hard to find logic in what FIA is saying and actually doing...

[millbrook]

Pics online @ rallypix.tk

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/466/sizedwrcd558.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/sizedwrcd558.jpg/)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2200/sizedwrcd538.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/sizedwrcd538.jpg/)

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[A FONDO]

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Is this a setup for Greece or Sardegna lol

[dimviii]

Latvala on the limit ADAC 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCHGSXyYo7I) Latvala...

Loeb is lucky

[Rallyper]

Latvala on the limit ADAC 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCHGSXyYo7I) Latvala...

That was close.... And under absolutely no control... :eek:

[MartijnS]

Some serious understeer!
Another 'moment'

WRC RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND LATVALA ON THE LIMIT Mittelmosel 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=share)

Gallery online at Facebook, on the website at the end of the week.
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[Rallyper]

Some serious understeer!
Another 'moment'

WRC RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND LATVALA ON THE LIMIT Mittelmosel 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=share)

That one is old (see a couple of pages back) and have been judged as no moment, just routine late breaking...

[Markko]

Welcome to see our photos of WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012: Service park, shakedown, SS Mittelmosel, SS Stein und Wein etc..,

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2012 | Tango Team (http://www.tangoteam.com/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=15559)

[eib1]

nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Jh__cmNW0&feature=plcp

[dimviii]

nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Jh__cmNW0&feature=plcp

at 6,38 Loeb manages to gain 10 meters out of 60.lolol

[6789]

at 6,38 Loeb manages to gain 10 meters out of 60.lolol

It does look like the road is a little wetter for Petter - he managed to get more slide out of the first corner.

Nonetheless, watching points like this just shows where the time is made up. At a fast righthander in NZ Loeb was the only driver to go through without braking. It just clarified for me how he is something different.

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[stefanvv]

It does look like the road is a little wetter for Petter - he managed to get more slide out of the first corner.

This is the PS, it is wetter as Loeb run few cars behind and the road was drying out, even Mikkelsen won 3rd place there ;)

[dimviii]

its clearly that you cant understant what you watch at these 60 meters.

[stefanvv]

its clearly that you cant understant what you watch at these 60 meters.

Oh, I understand perfectly well, I'm just saying why the road is wetter ;)

[dimviii]

Oh, I understand perfectly well, I'm just saying why the road is wetter ;)

Ogier and Mikkelsen with how much time difference started compare to Petter?..

[dimviii]

I think probably 10 cars between dimvii ;) WRC's started in reversed order for PS, and then the rest of the field in normal order, no? Anyway the time-difference is much bigger than it should be, even in different conditions.

You are right about the start order but we have to say that wasn t raining,was just wet,but the difference in lines are huge.Normally when more wet you try to smooth lines something we didn t saw at these corners from Petter,but we saw it from Seb using all the road even the sidewalks.

[stefanvv]

Solberg didn't have perfect run on the PS even on wet road, everybody saw that by his time.

[Hartusvuori]

Just returned home yesterday from a journey that started with spectating Rally Germany for the first time.

We did shakedown+ 8 stages.

In shakedown we stayed at the last hairpin right (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPaGHBTUEE&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s) for first 90 minutes, no big drama. Then walked to the close-by other spectating area with longer view over approach and exit of a double right. Novikov went a little wide and then Van Merkstejn Jr. spun into the trees, which we of course didn't see because of the trees... Soon after Ramona Karlsson somehow managed to miss the right turn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZg8CHu-QU), reversed into ditch and her car's exhaust lit the grass on fire. I can believe Ramona and her co-driver had bit of paniced thoughts when they jumped out of the car: "Not again!", perhaps. But it was not that serious situation after all. From the video link you can however see how Solberg approach the place almost at top pace since there was no warming... After a while we left for service park and later heard that no cars came through anymore as the Fuchs' accident had happened.

Later in Thursday we went to see cars and drivers queing for start ceremonies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPaGHBTUEE&feature=player_detailpage#t=91s). It's not everyday anymore you Delta Integrales and MG Metros one after another. That was also a good chance to chat with many drivers.

Friday: We started with Mittelmosel 1, of course. After a bit of pondering we decided to stay at Mittelmosel until top 10 have passed the second loop and then move to Grafschaft 2 in the afternoon. For first loop we stayed at junction left with a bump on the inside that jumped some cars a bit. You could see the cars between the vines some 70 metres away driving down to the valley and then few minutes later you could see them starting to climb back up through 3-4 hairpins until they reached the place. And of course Mosel was running below, vineyards looked just as they look in the pictures, the road was climbing up the hill looking like a pinworm and weather was perfect. The tourism side of Mosel valley was taken care of. No big drama for any drivers. Prokop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPaGHBTUEE&feature=player_detailpage#t=51s), Sordo, Ogier and Evans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPaGHBTUEE&feature=player_detailpage#t=330s)came through with most memorable style, jumping a bit on the side from the junction. Nationals and historics we watched few hundred meters below. Had fun watching some 15 historic drivers taking a wrong turn in the maze of vineyard roads. No Stig there though.

For Mittelmosel 2 we choosed a place closer to our car and found a fast approach left under the trees with another left out and then view over the exit. Latvala came to our view all sliding before managing to correct it already a bit off road. It was this situation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=share), but from our angle it looked more intense.

Then to Grafschaft 2. We left good time for driving in preparations for traffic, but there were absolutely none. Over all, apart from Panzerplatte, hardly any traffic jams on the route. Perhaps just good choice of places to visit. From Grafshaft we found a place on a wall, high speed place with fast left turn with a small bump. Yet again the overall view was quite something. We could see the rally cars in the distance going back and forth the hillside there on three roads. When the start interval changed to a minute, you had one car going right to left, one left to right and even one more right to left on the lowest road. Okey, it's some kilometre(s) away, but still something new for a rally fan who's used to a views of 50-200 metres in the local events here. Absolutely no big drama on the stage, it was just very nice to spectate the cars from the wall, perfectly safe just few inches away from the road.

Saturday: Okey, now the chance of rain finally materialised. We opted to go for Stein & Wein to the jump near the finish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9ulZru55k&feature=player_embedded#t=360s) - famous to us from a picture of Ken Block by Tommeke_B from last year. This year however no mentionable jumps there, especially as there were no Ken Block and as it started to rain right after Loeb passed. Rain on Stein & Wein was decisive for the results, this picture (https://twitter.com/The_Rally_Guru/status/239251447923998720/photo/1) tells it perfectly. I don't say Loeb got lucky, though he got, but he's running first for his acchievement and when running first, you sometimes get away safe from the rain. This was the sometimes.

Then the drive to Panzerplatte. We used smaller roads to avoid jams which we did until we hit the queue for parking. Had to park further than we planned which meant more walking. However, we were at the place, Kleine Platte I think, in time. Interesting place too, rather charasteristic for Panzerplatte I think, as we could see an approach and exit of a left junction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWga0T3FlKc&feature=player_detailpage#t=140s), then drivers made a loop of some one minute before we could see approach and exit of another left junction. At times it was like watching tennis as one car approached as another just exited. Big drama on Panzerplatte. On previous stage the battle for third place had opened up with Latvala's small off, but that unfold all too soon. First Solberg came (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWga0T3FlKc&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s). I could hear and see that he had hit the rear right somewhere, but from my side I couldn't tell was he on rim or three wheels. He made the loop and then returned to the place and gave it up there. Latvala went through okey, but then long gaps. Where is Neuville? Where is Sordo? Three out of top 5 had troubles, Panzerplatte proved its fame. Later also Gassner Jr. retired almost next to Peter's, something with left rear suspension I think. We also had prepared a flag for Lappi and as I were in position to wait for Lappi, he didn't come. What a dissappointment! Until that he had done well for his tarmac practice.

Then to Peterberg 2, to one of the hairpins in the forest towards the finish. Very relaxed place to end the day 2. No big drama, only Al-Suwaidi went 1,5 cars width wide, missed the closest tree by another 50 cm. He was also wide on the previous hairpin where my friend was at the time. His Fiesta RRC was by the way same chassis as Ketomaa's WRC in Finland. In Peterberg 2 it was obvious that Tänak was on attack, he wasn't the cleanest through but obviously fast.

Sunday: It started to rain the second I got out of the car in the park. We wanted to see the Van Merkstejn's jump place at Dhrontal, even if it was now the opposite direction it still remained a jump. Weather was just so wet that I think that made driver's more cautious, and also the fact that this way if you jump too long you'll end up hitting the wall after the jump. So, the 000-car had the most fearless jump there. Novikov and Burri too, but nothing special. As a spectating place it was okey, as you had distant view over the cars at many places, for example if you're into taking your own splits. For the jump, that place just isn't there anymore, I think.

After the first run we left for the city stage. For a change. We ended up at a combination of right and left. Arrived just in time to see some of the historics, including Stig and E2 this time. The way the sounds of the cars echoed in the buildings - nice. It rained most of the time which was okey as it made the place more spectacular. It was nice idea that drivers were sent into the stage in heats, but two cars for top drivers wasn't enough. It got all pumped up for few heats as they had 3-4 cars in a heat for PWRC and S2000 drivers. Few close calls at the junction, also Al-Rajhi's spin. Also a bit of drama at the very end as the last car of the rally went into the last lap without front right wheel.

We stayed for the podium ceremonies, after all it was two Finns on the podium, but must say that it was booooring. Rally Germany was over, we started to prepare for the rest of our journey.

In general, from spectator's point of view Rally Germany is easily recommended. Spectators' guide is good enough (but I will buy a detailed map next time), signs to stages and parking areas, etc. are good, parking is well-organised (€1 standard fee), marshalls were friendly and understanding towards us, etc.

On the results, Loeb is Loeb. First time I saw him on tarmac and must say his clean style is even less interesting on tarmac than on gravel. But he is the fastest and he is showing how it's done. The two Finns on the podium were there mostly because Solberg, Neuvile and Sordo hit problems. Latvala could've been number three, but as seen from the videos, he wasn't clean, but he was lucky at many places. He is still fast too. Neuville is definitely a winner in the making, his style is rather clean until he makes the odd mistake that cost him always a lot. Sordo was on the pace at times, but still I expected a lot more. Also, out of the Academy/2WD drivers, Evans is a name to remember. He was doing very well on Finnish gravel and he was doing very well on German tarmac as well. I really, really hope to see him on S2000 next year.

Here are my friend's photos from Rally Germany 2012: rallyphotos.kuvat.fi (http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rallye+Deutschland+2012/)

http://rallyphotos.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rallye%20Deutschland%202012/IMG_8479.JPG?img=img1280&hash=6aabb

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[glouts]

more than 200 pictures here: Vidéos de rallye, photos de rallye sur toute la France : Glouts vidéo (http://www.glouts-videos.com/photo/photos/2012/wrc-adac-deutschland-2012-by-pepe) enjoy

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