Rally Deutschland 2012

[Bartek]

What happened to Østberg?

Missed junction

[Zeropt]

Atko in the stage, wanna see what that Motorspot Mini really worth.

[Viking]

What happened to Østberg?

Cooked his brakes and overshot an junction.

[noel157]

Not listening to RR, did Sordo have any problems or just slow(ish)?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Novikov still stopped after clipping a wall...

[N.O.T]

Tanak still stopped after clipping a wall in the first corner...

Tanak finished the stage....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mistake!!!

[Zeropt]

Tanak? Don`t you mean Novikov?

[GigiGalliNo1]

I have had a long day in Australia... my brain is not working well. I apologise for this post..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Tanak? Don`t you mean Novikov?

oh god what did i do...

[Gard]

Not listening to RR, did Sordo have any problems or just slow(ish)?

No problem, he was satified. Probably a bit more slippery than the first guys.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Nobre car died a few times? Odd...

[andyone]

lol. poor Nobre.. i like this guy... nervous

[Zeropt]

I have had a long day in Australia... my brain is not working well. I apologise for this post..

eheh ;)

[skarderud]

Irally sending something other rally i think, whats the app for listening to wrc.com rallyradio whit an iPhone?

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRCLive can be listened to on Puffin browser.... on iPhone! Please give it a shot.. Turn phone OFF silent.

Make sure you turn off Screen Lock as when the screen goes black it disconnects!

[N.O.T]

ss02 is on...

[tolis]

Paulo!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539313_10151003434800754_1177802867_n.jpg

[rage82]

You can listen WRR on your phone with tune-in app for Iphone and Android

[Zeropt]

Stage 2 running and after the first split Loeb down on Mikko and Petter`s time!

[Mirek]

Not listening to RR, did Sordo have any problems or just slow(ish)?

The main problem for late starters is mud and dirt on the road. But it seems Ogier doesn't care :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

You can listen WRR on your phone with tune-in app for Iphone and Android

TuneIn app does not get broadcast from WRCLive this rally in Germany.. It's 100% not working... no feed

Only Puffin browser for iPhone.

[Mintexmemory]

The main problem for late starters is mud and dirt on the road. But it seems Ogier doesn't care :D
He appears to have spent this year well, I hope Loeb stays for next year - the battles will be epic (and personal)!

[stefanvv]

Stage 2 running and after the first split Loeb down on Mikko and Petter`s time!

He gets his speed later

[N.O.T]

He appears to have spent this year well, I hope Loeb stays for next year - the battles will be epic (and personal)!

The big question is how competitive the Polo will be... I doubt they are going to be at Citroens and Fords standards straight out of the box, although something like that would be very good for the championship.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Split 5 Petter is just +0,8 from Loeb

[stefanvv]

Split 5 Petter is just +0,8 from Loeb

Interesting

[rage82]

TuneIn app does not get broadcast from WRCLive this rally in Germany.. It's 100% not working... no feed

Only Puffin browser for iPhone.
OK, I didn't try it for this rally because I'm listeting on my computer now. Thanks for the info

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

And Petter is +4,4 slower than Loeb in SS2

[stefanvv]

The main problem for late starters is mud and dirt on the road. But it seems Ogier doesn't care :D

:D He's back as Mad Ogier on tarmac.

[Wim_Impreza]

The main problem for late starters is mud and dirt on the road. But it seems Ogier doesn't care :D

Mud? Has it rained there?

[Zeropt]

Latvla not liking softer setup, but he goes up one to place in this stage.

[Zeropt]

Mud? Has it rained there?

Yeap, i think overnight.

[stefanvv]

Mud? Has it rained there?

No, but it rained little before.

[stefanvv]

Tanak not bad, quicker than Sordo on SS2

[spiderem]

Any bet on Loeb taking all the stages time as per Corsica 2005?

[Zeropt]

A Green little pig stoped in stage 2! :D

[René]

Mikkelsen faster than Ogier on the split 2 stage 2

[GigiGalliNo1]

A Green little pig stoped in stage 2! :D

:(

[Viking]

Neuville doing well, faster than Hirvonen after two stages and well in front of other "junior drivers".

[A FONDO]

Why is everybody complaining of the brakes? Many downhills or just the air is too hot there?

[N.O.T]

Ridiculous Nobre out again.... pffft.

[dimviii]

Why is everybody complaining of the brakes? Many downhills or just the air is too hot there?

too much braking,air is same for everybody.

[Viking]

Al-Rajhi and Kruuda seems to have stopped on ss1

[Zeropt]

Why is everybody complaining of the brakes? Many downhills or just the air is too hot there?

Too much left foot braking, some guys are forgetting this is tarmac not gravel...

[Wim_Impreza]

Why has the Scottish co-driver Stuart Loudon in car #108 an Irish flag on ewrc-results.cz?

[Mirek]

Ask them :)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

SS3 split 3 Petter is 0,9 faster than Loeb

[Rautiainen]

Gyus, where I can watch or listen online the rally? (from a PC)

[Bartek]

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/) Here

[stefanvv]

Fords faster on SS3 Split 3

[N.O.T]

Gyus, where I can watch or listen online the rally? (from a PC)


for live results with driver comments here

Vsledky Rallye: Vsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=9)

for splits

World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Deutschland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/adac-rallye-deutschland/split-times/)

if you wants radio

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/)

[A FONDO]

Too much left foot braking, some guys are forgetting this is tarmac not gravel...


too much braking,air is same for everybody.

Now I saw what stages are today, really hard braking zones. I've been too obsessed with the devastating heats here in southern Europe these days :(

[Gard]

Fords are really struggeling in the latter parts of the stages. They really have to do something about the brakes.

[Bartek]

Tanak had spun i think also Prokop have problems (puncture), Prokop stopped, fire problems

[dimviii]

Fords are really struggeling in the latter parts of the stages. They really have to do something about the brakes.

No problem with Fords at later stage parts,Loeb just drives on splits.

[dimviii]

NEUVILLE T. / GILSOUL N. (st. č. 8) "We went straight in first junction so lost 4 seconds. Prokop's car is burning, but they OK.

[Bartek]

If i heard right Prokop have big fire, yes?

[BleAivano]

Seems like Ramona and Miriam have retired (again :( ), on SS2? Anyone know what happened?

[tolis]

Why has the Scottish co-driver Stuart Loudon in car #108 an Irish flag on ewrc-results.cz?

Just changed! Thanks Wim! :)

8 cars out after 2 and a half stages!

[r199]

prokop is on fire yes,

[r199]

from twitter adac rally @WRCGermanyhttp://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/322e3220-d009-012f-c6aa-12313d15fa6c/r600x600.jpg

http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/322e3220-d009-012f-c6aa-12313d15fa6c/r600x600.jpg

[Rautiainen]

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/) Here



for live results with driver comments here

Vsledky Rallye: Vsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=9)

for splits

World Rally Championship - Results - Rallye Deutschland (http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/adac-rallye-deutschland/split-times/)

if you wants radio

World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC Live (http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/)


Thanks a lot !!!

[Bartek]

from twitter adac rally @WRCGermanyhttp://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/322e3220-d009-012f-c6aa-12313d15fa6c/r600x600.jpg

http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/322e3220-d009-012f-c6aa-12313d15fa6c/r600x600.jpg

wow! big fire!!

[Rautiainen]

What is the reason for the fire?

[dimviii]

Car must be completely burnt.Prokop in previous stage was complaining about some warning lights in his dash.

[Bartek]

Stage is stopped, i think fire crew is on the stage

[Mintexmemory]

Car must be completely burnt.Prokop in previous stage was complaining about some warning lights in his dash.
So I guess 'super rally' is unlikely?

[dimviii]

stage stopped according to vysledky.cz Reason?..

[dimviii]

So I guess 'super rally' is unlikely?

impossible from the photo we saw.

[N.O.T]

stage stopped according to vysledky.cz Reason?..

the fire at prokops car...the fire crew must reach the car through he stage.

[dimviii]

look the road condition

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.159.820.392.00474495848/p843x403/424356_402273623155745_403674464_n.jpg

[Francis44]

stage stopped according to vysledky.cz Reason?..

Car is on the middle of the road. I dont see much space left for the rest of the crews to pass around it.

[Mintexmemory]

impossible from the photo we saw.

uh hum - please reset your irony meter it appears to be out of calibration!!!

[HarriK]

What is the reason for the fire?

Maybe oil leak to turbo. There seems to be oil at the road surface...

[Mintexmemory]

look the road condition

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.159.820.392.00474495848/p843x403/424356_402273623155745_403674464_n.jpg

Love that hairpin, that's where I was standing in 2010. The main tarmac hairpins onto concrete to go up the terrace to the next level tarmac.

[Viking]

Fun fact, Hirvonen after 3 stages in 2011 0,53s/km slower than Loeb, 2012 0,41s/km. The Citroen has made him one tenth of an second faster.

[dimviii]

uh hum - please reset your irony meter it appears to be out of calibration!!!
irony?didn t you asked about super rally?

[BleAivano]

irony?didn t you asked about super rally?

dimvii its quite obvious by just looking at the picture that there is nothing left of his car.
And without a functional car its quite hard to do super rally.

[Wim_Impreza]

Just changed! Thanks Wim! :)

Thanks mate. :)

[Gard]

No problem with Fords at later stage parts,Loeb just drives on splits.

Funny! So when Loeb looks at the splits, Fords brakes are fading?

[Mintexmemory]

dimvii its quite obvious by just looking at the picture that there is nothing left of his car.
And without a functional car its quite hard to do super rally.


:D :wave: :hot: :angryfire - Perhaps in Greece they have a different view of vehicle road-worthiness / English ironical rhetoric!

[rallye-sport]

SS1 Photos -> Photos Rallye Allemagne 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-allemagne-2012/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/img_5167.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/mg_5364.jpg

[r199]

Prokop no superrally http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/238c4760-d00d-012f-5560-1231381568e1/r600x600.jpg

[dimviii]

Funny! So when Loeb looks at the splits, Fords brakes are fading?

so at service they will install a harder compound pad and will not loose at later parts? Its not first time Loeb drives like that.

[stefanvv]

Prokop no superrally http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/238c4760-d00d-012f-5560-1231381568e1/r600x600.jpg

Now this is irony

[dimviii]

dimvii its quite obvious by just looking at the picture that there is nothing left of his car.
And without a functional car its quite hard to do super rally.

so why he asked? Enlight me please.

[dimviii]

Prokop no superrally http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/238c4760-d00d-012f-5560-1231381568e1/r600x600.jpg

i find your post ironic.

[dimviii]

:D :wave: :hot: :angryfire - Perhaps in Greece they have a different view of vehicle road-worthiness!

of course we have,when we saw a car burnt completely in flames we dont ask if he can restart tomorow under super rally

[Rautiainen]

What is the reason for the fire?

[MartijnS]

We were standing halfway the stage and Prokop had a rear right puncture and was still pushing, so probably got too hot?

[Viking]

Irony? "Yeah! It's like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron"

[r199]

there whas one asking of he whas going to restart after the fire..
that is the reason for my post (sorry)

[dimviii]

We were standing halfway the stage and Prokop had a rear right puncture and was still pushing, so probably got too hot?

maybe,if you see the photo the fire seems to have start from rear right,front tyres havent have burnt.

[Mirek]

What is the reason for the fire?

Probably oil leaking on the exhaust pipe but who knows...

[BleAivano]

Ramona is out with a broken suspension, they hope to do a restart tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/RamonaRallying/statuses/238954952016404481

[Viking]

What is the reason for the fire?

Fuel, Oxygen and Heat.. sorry :)

[Rautiainen]

Probably oil leaking on the exhaust pipe but who knows...

Thanks ! :) )

[Mintexmemory]

A little bit titaniumy but not at all coppery

[JAM]

And we have another rally that is basically decided after 3 stages to Loeb. And this time is not possible to let Hirvonen aproach to make a hollywood fight.

Atkinson is not impressing. Basically was doing almost the same that Armindo did in Monte Carlo's tarmac that is running at the same pace as Martin Prokop.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558316_411091458952293_884820740_n.jpg

[HarriK]

maybe,if you see the photo the fire seems to have start from rear right,front tyres havent have burnt.
yep, fire started from rear:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/387002_4133270542229_1701366033_n.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

Now this is irony


And by the look a little titaniumy but not at all coppery (hope the insurance was paid up)

[Mintexmemory]

so why he asked? Enlight me please.

From Wiki
A rhetorical question is a figure of speech (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Figure_of_speech) in the form of a question (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Question) that is asked in order to make a point and without the expectation of a reply.[1] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-rhetorical_question_definition-0) The question is used as a rhetorical device (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Rhetorical_device), posed for the sake of encouraging its listener to consider a message or viewpoint. Though these are technically questions, they do not always require a question mark.

[Mintexmemory]

Irony? "Yeah! It's like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron"

Damn you beat me to that draw on that gag!! (see above)

[dimviii]

From Wiki
A rhetorical question is a figure of speech (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Figure_of_speech) in the form of a question (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Question) that is asked in order to make a point and without the expectation of a reply.[1] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-rhetorical_question_definition-0) The question is used as a rhetorical device (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Rhetorical_device), posed for the sake of encouraging its listener to consider a message or viewpoint. Though these are technically questions, they do not always require a question mark.

rhetorical and irony are Greek words.Dont try to explain to me.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Atkinson....eh

[JAM]

rhetorical and irony are Greek words.Dont try to explain to me.

You are fed up. You should relax and turn on your brain. Would be better to all the forum, including you.

Loeb has the rally on hand, you should be happy. He looks at the splits and the Fords start braking, so the rally is decided.

[Brother John]

What is the reason for the fire?

Another result of modern rally cars. :rolleyes:

[[WRCRR]]

Another result of modern rally cars. :rolleyes:

Like the older cars never ever burned...

[Back-N-Black]

dimvii its quite obvious by just looking at the picture that there is nothing left of his car.
And without a functional car its quite hard to do super rally.

I'm pretty sure he was joking!

[dimviii]

You are fed up. You should relax and turn on your brain. Would be better to all the forum, including you.

Loeb has the rally on hand, you should be happy. He looks at the splits and the Fords start braking, so the rally is decided.

yes i fed up when somebody asks,and while you answer him he says that my answer is ironic.Are you doing the same?

About the Fords vs Citroens difference due to braking fade is very clear if you watch splits and drivers comments.
At first stage without brake problems they lost more while was bigger and with plenty of junctions.
Except that you think that if Fords had braking problems at a 23 km stage the difference would be 4 and 2,8 seconds from Loeb without problems?

[Mintexmemory]

yes i fed up when somebody asks,and while you answer him he says that my answer is ironic.Are you doing the same?

About the Fords vs Citroens difference due to braking fade is very clear if you watch splits and drivers comments.
At first stage without brake problems they lost more while was bigger and with plenty of junctions.
Except that you think that if Fords had braking problems at a 23 km stage the difference would be 4 and 2,8 seconds from Loeb without problems?
Ok let's just go back to my irony meter remark -I didn't say your post was ironic, the sense of my reply was that you didn't 'detect' that I was being ironic. i.e you were being literal in response to a rhetorical statement. As Back - N -Black correctly thought, I WAS JOKING!!! Now that I have deconstructed the gag I hope we can avoid any more 'flaming' (see what I did there? ;) )

[EightGear]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads6/50377916c2bc1/50377916af344-Quattro.jpg

"Quick fuel-stop. Feel like little guy in such a powerfull group B car! Once in a lifetime experience, so damm nice. Stig Blomqvist will drive his original car tomorrow, together with the owner of the car. Just wanted to share this one with you! :-)"

From Kevin Abbring's Facebook page. That is one fine looking piece of machine.

[Mirek]

Another result of modern rally cars. :rolleyes:

What are you trying to say all the time? That the grass was greener back then? Yes, it was, we all know...

Was oil flammable in 1970'? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was brake liquid flammable in 1970'? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was exhaust hot? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was debris of tyre/rim able to damage brake liquid pipes? Yes, it was even in 1920...
etc. etc.

Shall we ride horses? But you can fall down and hurt Yourself You know...

[dimviii]

Ok let's just go back to my irony meter remark -I didn't say your post was ironic, the sense of my reply was that you didn't 'detect' that I was being ironic. i.e you were being literal in response to a rhetorical statement. As Back - N -Black correctly thought, I WAS JOKING!!! Now that I have deconstructed the gag I hope we can avoid any more 'flaming' (see what I did there? ;) )

Ok ;)

[BleAivano]

Thanks "8gear". A very nice looking rally car.

[stefanvv]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads6/50377916c2bc1/50377916af344-Quattro.jpg

"Quick fuel-stop. Feel like little guy in such a powerfull group B car! Once in a lifetime experience, so damm nice. Stig Blomqvist will drive his original car tomorrow, together with the owner of the car. Just wanted to share this one with you! :-)"

From Kevin Abbring's Facebook page. That is one fine looking piece of machine.

Man, that thing never gets old, I love it.

[[WRCRR]]

What are you trying to say all the time? That the grass was greener back then? Yes, it was, we all know...

Was oil flammable in 1970'? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was brake liquid flammable in 1970'? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was exhaust hot? Yes, it was even in 1920...
Was debris of tyre/rim able to damage brake liquid pipes? Yes, it was even in 1920...
etc. etc.

Shall we ride horses? But you can fall down and hurt Yourself You know...

Thanks Mirek...nicely put =)

[JAM]

About the Fords vs Citroens difference due to braking fade is very clear if you watch splits and drivers comments.
At first stage without brake problems they lost more while was bigger and with plenty of junctions.
Except that you think that if Fords had braking problems at a 23 km stage the difference would be 4 and 2,8 seconds from Loeb without problems?

I have no doubt about that, is obvious. I only can't understand in wich part of that logic enters the moment when Loeb start looking at the splits.

[JAM]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads6/50377916c2bc1/50377916af344-Quattro.jpg
That is one fine looking piece of machine.

Ohhh yes it is! A lovely beast. IMO is the most incredible rallycar since forever.

But talking about fires… this was not a good car to have a crash...

[tolis]

Simon Jean Joseph-Philip Mills gravel crew for Petter Solberg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562927_457702544269989_2004655715_n.jpg

[stoukerman]

rhetorical and irony are Greek words.Dont try to explain to me.


Actually there is a difference irony -> ειρωνεια in modern greek is synonymous to sarcasm in English (thus Dims reaction).

A rhetorical Q is a question which answer is self evident to the audience.

The guy made a joke, Dim needs to lighten up and I need to say hi to all you guys as another bloody greek!

[stefanvv]

But talking about fires… this was not a good car to have a crash...

Did someone get hurt with S1 E2? I know for some fatal crashes with Lancia & Peugeout, but don't know for S1 E2.

[Tom206wrc]

After SS2 Matthieu Arzéno 14th overall and 3rd in S2000 not bad start of WRC event for him :cool:

[AP-Racing]

What is the reason for the fire?

Tire puncture

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578702_10151125889388641_434627782_n.jpg

[Mirek]

Did someone get hurt with S1 E2? I know for some fatal crashes with Lancia & Peugeout, but don't know for S1 E2.

That itself doesn't say anything about the safety of the car.

[Mirek]

Tire puncture

Yes, according to the team the debris of rear tyre probably cut brake pipe and the car burnt from ignited brake liquid.

[kirungi okwogera]

Tire puncture
You have to feel for Prokop, that's bad luck. Some people get a puncture and they just lose a few minutes...

[stefanvv]

That itself doesn't say anything about the safety of the car.

I know, but we see modern cars can burst too. I hope these accidents happen almost never though.

[N.O.T]

Lappi 10th fastest on ss3 !!!

the road dried out ??? still amazing !!!!!

[Zeropt]

http://img.viame-cdn.com/photos/238c4760-d00d-012f-5560-1231381568e1/r600x600.jpg

Fu%&! :eek:

[dimviii]

Actually there is a difference irony -> ειρωνεια in modern greek is synonymous to sarcasm in English (thus Dims reaction).

A rhetorical Q is a question which answer is self evident to the audience.

The guy made a joke, Dim needs to lighten up and I need to say hi to all you guys as another bloody greek!

εσυ τωρα τι θελεις? ρολλαριστα 2ες ανοιγεις? :laugh:

Welcome Stelios!!

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540371_10151026506371918_4376216_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Lappi 10th fastest on ss3 !!!

the road dried out ??? still amazing !!!!!

no way,must be an error.

[stefanvv]

Lappi 10th fastest on ss3 !!!

the road dried out ??? still amazing !!!!!

38th in wrc.com, it is some mistake.

EDIT: but I see the times there are equal from 11th on

[dimviii]

I have no doubt about that, is obvious. I only can't understand in wich part of that logic enters the moment when Loeb start looking at the splits.

Loeb is possible to look at Petters splits after 6 minutes due to 6 minutes later start for Petter.Thats why you see him to make more difference after 4th split.4th split is about 7-8 minutes inside stage.

[Viking]

Lappi 10th fastest on ss3 !!!

the road dried out ??? still amazing !!!!!

11th fastest ;) but then again, all of the drivers who did not do the stage got this time...

[JAM]

Did someone get hurt with S1 E2? I know for some fatal crashes with Lancia & Peugeout, but don't know for S1 E2.

That i know, never was a fatal crash with the S1. But the S1 was not very used, there were a few cars running, many less than Ford, Lancia and Peugeot. Even Audi only made 5 or 6 rallyes with this car, because they retired before the half of the 1986 season.

[Mirek]

Lappi 10th fastest on ss3 !!!

the road dried out ??? still amazing !!!!!

That's some mistake. He must have notional time as all others.

[N.O.T]

yeah rally.cz has him as 10th... probably a mistake.

[Zeropt]

Second loop starting in a few minutes! :)

[N.O.T]

2nd loop started...

[John V]

yeah rally.cz has him as 10th... probably a mistake.

Yes, one 6 missed in system column caused this. Too many notional times so mistake happened. Corrected yet, sorry to all.

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539229_10151026540641918_1260851424_n.jpg

[dimviii]

some nice news from ewrc.cz!!

Status injured fan is better

Yesterday marked shakedown unpleasant event when cartwheel Nicolas Fuchs crashing against the rail and four of them hit. While one of them was seriously injured, and while even talking about an injury that threatened him in life.
The three injured were released from hospital yesterday and the latest news and speaks about improving the health status of the fourth. Attending physicians in the hospital trierské are satisfied with the condition of the patient and assesses its development positively.

[Tom206wrc]

Split times of WRC.COM don't work yet for SS4 ??? :s

[JAM]

Isn't the schedule late at the afternoom because of SS3 problems?

[stefanvv]

Isn't the schedule late at the afternoom because of SS3 problems?

No, it is on time.

[Tom206wrc]

How many minutes late :confused:

Edit: OK...

[Tom206wrc]

Mistake for Hirvonen on Split One :confused:

Edit: stalled at the start :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala "importantly" faster than Loeb on 2nd split :mark:

[stefanvv]

JML seems fixed his handling issues...

[JAM]

Latvala is attacking, wich usually means…. you know :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

GO GO Jari-Matti!!

[Zeropt]

Latvala "importantly" faster than Loeb on 2nd split :mark:

I realy like this! :cool:

[AP-Racing]

Mistake for Hirvonen on Split One :confused:

Edit: stalled at the start :mark:

And lost 3-4 seconds

[Tom206wrc]

Tänak faster than Loeb too(split 3) :mark:

[stefanvv]

Tanak really surprises me!

[Tom206wrc]

Very good pace from Neuville !!! :bounce:

[JAM]

Latvala had an inspired moment between first and second split and won 2sec to Loeb, but then lost the inspiration, and maybe was better this way.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Nice time by JML

[Zeropt]

Engineer to Östberg: You are braking to much!

Wuss... lol

[AP-Racing]

I think, Seb choose "safe mode style'

[dimviii]

Sordo said cant improve myself we have to improve the car...

[dimviii]

I think, Seb choose "safe mode style'

Seems like that,all drivers are about 15-20sec faster than morning pass,Loeb only 9 sec.

[Bartek]

Dani is only 1,6 behind Mikko. Maybe they can do something with Mini after stage 6...

Come on rain come on :)

[stefanvv]

I think, Seb choose "safe mode style'

Or may be the road is equally dirty...

[dimviii]

Not a real surprise... But in current situations you would think he would not say this if he doesn't have another contract for next year... ;)

we thought the same ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Tänak quite slow in the end of stage(same time as Hirvonen, and therefore was 1"6 faster than Loeb after split 3) :confused:

[stefanvv]

Tänak quite slow in the end of stage(same time as Hirvonen, and therefore was 1"6 faster than Loeb after split 3) :confused:

Missed junction.

[EightGear]

Tänak quite slow in the end of stage(same time as Hirvonen, and therefore was 1"6 faster than Loeb after split 3) :confused:

He missed a junction.

[Mintexmemory]

Engineer to Östberg: You are braking to much!

Wuss... lol
Engineer mutters under breath "It's jst like having Matthew back!" ;)

[Zeropt]

Any bet on Loeb taking all the stages time as per Corsica 2005?

No! :D

[Zeropt]

Engineer mutters under breath "It's jst like having Matthew back!" ;)

ahahah

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen is losing far less time on Loeb in Moselland(SS5) :)

[dimviii]

Latvala +6,5 at 2nd split...

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville same first split as Latvala :D

[Mirek]

One point. In the IRC Wiegand is using Juka Motorsport Fabia on Reiger suspension and in all occasions of this season he was at least a bit faster than Gassner. Now he is running the VW Motorsport one on Sachs suspension and he is slower. Maybe he just needs to get used to the different setup and different WRc tyres with which Gassner has much more experience but at least it's interesting...

[EightGear]

Loeb found the throttle pedal again.

[René]

Which one awakened Mikko???

[N.O.T]

Seems that Loeb uses both hands on the wheel on this stage....

[denkimi]

Loeb found the throttle pedal again.
no he didn't, mikko and neuville are hardly slower. its just the fords who are suddenly much slower for some reason. i assume they gambled on snow in stage 5 or something stupid like that.

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo and Tänak look faster than Neuville so far(after two splits) :mark:

Edit: alright they are no more now :D

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378348_10151367396718242_13021234_n.jpg

Kruuda

[Viking]

Seems like Citroen must have an secret shortcut between split 1 and 2...

[René]

Neuville near to take Latvala the 3th pos

[dimviii]

Loeb through 1st split

[Viking]

And Sordo found it also! And Tanak also! Yes, shortcut... :rolleyes:

Sorry forgot the smilie ;) Yes concealed only only for factory Fords :D

[dimviii]

Sordo passed Mikko at scratch

[René]

Some trouble for Ogier??

[Mirek]

Why?

EDIT: Mikkelsen is in troubles.

[René]

Why?

I saw that he wastes time on Mikkelsen on 4 first split but it was nothing serious
And rear right puncture for Mikkelsen at end of stage

[Viking]

Mikkelsen puncture, looses some.... 40seconds

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen lost to 6th position ;(

[Bartek]

Tomorrow we should have a good battle for 2 and 3 position :) I'm only little bit disappointed about Sordo but without budget and without rally what i want from him

[rallye-sport]

Update with SS4 Photos Rallye Allemagne 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-allemagne-2012/)


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/img_5352.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/allemagne-2012/img_5365.jpg

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377067_411199068941532_421749547_n.jpg

[Viking]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/643666607.jpg?key=640480&Expires=1345827779&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=Iz93ZpMyqv2AeUxrhkFc4kOdpKle~y9OSv7amT6Q tj5OjXpmRHn7U-VKfvhS1MnVBMcq3OpsyHxQ8DBUX10Uq3gqW0D1T-VxFI1XcTGPaXht0RPnkpnwfUNhn9962QUsNZFHw4HeBCuWY7rz gPg~dHchgc977ZygDQoHysHRvp8_

Guru Twitterpic

[janvanvurpa]

No comments about how washed up and over it is for Solberg. :uhoh:
He's languishing in second place and only 0,997% as fast as Loeb...
It's all over, he may as well retire at service.
Hang up the helmet and go back to go-carts. :rolleyes:

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

How Lappi is driving in his class? I´m not familiar about R2 class.....

[Tom206wrc]

No comments about how washed up and over it is for Solberg. :uhoh:
He's languishing in second place and only 0,997% as fast as Loeb...
It's all over, he may as well retire at service.
Hang up the helmet and go back to go-carts. :rolleyes:


RALLY is never finished before last stage and podium are reached by all surviving crews :p :

[Tom206wrc]

How Lappi is driving in his class? I´m not familiar about R2 class.....

He's currently 3rd R2 behind juniors Evans and Suarez ;)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

He's currently 3rd R2 behind juniors Evans and Suarez ;)


Ok, thx!

[AP-Racing]

http://www.wrc.com/news/660/120824_Prokopfire.jpg

[N.O.T]

Nothing can change the results now by driving... only mechanical.

[AP-Racing]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/488228_10151026963346918_1596370598_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377346_10151026962916918_518710212_n.jpg

[denkimi]

Nothing can change the results now by driving... only mechanical.
it highly unlikely, but not impossible.

[tolis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaJP7sL8-4A

[Gard]

Loeb is possible to look at Petters splits after 6 minutes due to 6 minutes later start for Petter.Thats why you see him to make more difference after 4th split.4th split is about 7-8 minutes inside stage.

Sure, then he calls back to Mikko and Neuville and tells them where to start going faster.

[TuTu]

Few pics from Day 1 !
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/603518_435381296504225_165568214_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557516_435381126504242_881333833_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405483_435381143170907_385956651_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402937_435383603170661_915171291_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/575016_435383913170630_921900050_n.jpg

More on Eyes of Rally Facebook fan page !

[HarriK]

How Lappi is driving in his class? I´m not familiar about R2 class.....

1. Elfyn EVANS 1:34:34.2
2. J. SUAREZ +9,9sec
3. E. LAPPI +43,7
4. B. REEVES +54,1
5. . VAN DER MAREL +1:25.4

Something like that in Class R2.
Lappi has fever a little bit, so a hard day for him.

What happened to Pontus Tidemand?

[Mirek]

Broken driveshaft in SS1.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_c23cb9ecbb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_e86e882088.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_bd4757c988.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1068/1068_adac_rally_deutschland_2012_5d31b6b744.jpg

More photos from DAY 1 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1068)

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjlWH__HAD0&feature=g-all-u

[BleAivano]

Ramona Karlsson will not restart tomorrow, too much damage to the car.

https://twitter.com/RamonaRallying/statuses/239055823341510656


I don't know what she is doing by she have retired from every rally except Mexico. Lack of routine or bad luck or what?
don't think we'll se her in PWRC next year?

[Francis44]

Interesting that Atkinson on a 25km stage only beats Ogier by 4 seconds. Altough I believe Armindo is not WRC material, this does in fact indicate that either Motorsport Italia is a rubish team or the car is a complete waste of resources.

There are some rumours floating around that Armindo is trying to rent a VW for next year.

[A FONDO]

don't think we'll se her in PWRC next year?

She wouldnt have achieved remarkable results anyway. But with these accidents she gained more media attention than Kosciuszko and Guerra together so sponsors should be happy.

[hanjob11]

Hello,

pictures of todays special stages are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/freitag_2008/album_1_2013/deutschland12_wp1kh_196_20120824_1796548541.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/freitag_2008/album_1_2013/deutschland12_wp1kh_048_20120824_1063259853.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/freitag_2008/album_1_2013/deutschland12_wp1kh_143_20120824_1219264273.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2012_1660/rallye_deutschland_2006/freitag_2008/album_1_2013/deutschland12_wp1kh_039_20120824_1468684861.jpg

Karsten

[dimviii]

Sure, then he calls back to Mikko and Neuville and tells them where to start going faster.
didn t saw that at splits.In which stages that happened?
Mikko and Neuville are 15 and 30 sec behind Fords.

[dimviii]

close call for Jari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=player_embedded

[tolis]

@dimviii: Vale ET1!

[WRC12]

Sordo/Del Barrio 5th without gravel crew.

:)

[Rallyper]

close call for Jari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=player_embedded

Just routine handling from JML. Nothing special at all...

[Bartek]

If we are talking about Prokop car is it more than 500k euro? Sorry for this question but i want to know how it looks if we compare price with racing Porsche :) Only more or less i don't want to know the exact amount ;)

[tfp]

Rallye Deutschland, full of surprises!

Loeb has won as usual. JML looks like hes punching well above his weight, and when the inevitable happens, Petter will pick up the pieces, if he does well, in second place. Mean while, Mikko leaves the handbrake on(They should have had him blindfolded since NORF and they hope that he thinks he is still in Finland). I miss Ogier, and Mini fighting at the front. Dani and Atko(different teams I know but still good drivers) look like they are struggling.
On the upside, Neuville is looking promising, and I am pretty impressed with Tanak. Ostberg isnt setting the world on fire at the minute, I know its not his preferred surface, but he will need to learn to take stage wins if he is to be a future world champion.

WRC is looking like a test for the promising younger drivers, thats where the entertainment is IMO, the fighting at the front is a little bit too predictable. :hot:

[mousti]

WRC Adac rally deutschland 2012 - Martin prokop's car on fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzjDiichH4)

The tragic death of Fiona..

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgqlC_AxrjY&feature=player_embedded#!

[danon]

close call for Jari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmrLN7EKfM&feature=player_embedded

A close call... under control :monkeedan

[JAM]

Interesting that Atkinson on a 25km stage only beats Ogier by 4 seconds. Altough I believe Armindo is not WRC material, this does in fact indicate that either Motorsport Italia is a rubish team or the car is a complete waste of resources.


All of you will give me credit in a few weeks. Just wait for the nex rally.

In Germany, looking deep, Atkinson is having a decent perfomance. But in Wales things will be tought to him.

The cars on MSI are crap, and i already explained why. Is a shame that the Prodrive mechanic that was around the forum was not able to speak...

[JAM]

WRC Adac rally deutschland 2012 - Martin prokop's car on fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzjDiichH4)

The tragic death of Fiona..

Why the hell Neuville and Sordo and Atkinson didn't stoped? With a car in flames in front of him and he didn't stoped? Unbelieveble...

Is this kind of drivers that we have on WRC?!?

[N.O.T]

Why the hell Neuville and Sordo didn't stoped? With a car in flames in front of him and he didn't stoped? Unbelieveble...

Is this kind of drivers that we have on WRC?!?


LOL are you serious ???

the crew was out of the car...no marshal was indicating anything wrong...non SOS sign by anyone... why would they stop ????? they are not trained firefighters.... what they could offer ?? a pet in the back to Prokop ????

[JAM]

LOL are you serious ???

the crew was out of the car...no marshal was indicating anything wrong...non SOS sign by anyone... why would they stop ????? they are not trained firefighters.... what they could offer ?? a pet in the back to Prokop ????

It's useless try to explain to you.

[marcosg]

LOL are you serious ???

the crew was out of the car...no marshal was indicating anything wrong...non SOS sign by anyone... why would they stop ????? they are not trained firefighters.... what they could offer ?? a pet in the back to Prokop ????

they could offer their fire extinguishers... at least that!! maybe if they all stopped they could stop the fire...

with everything that's been happening recently in rallying I can't imagine seeing that scenario and continue driving like there's nothing wrong...

one day it could be my car on fire...

[N.O.T]

You guys ever heard of CAR INSURANCE ??? it Works !!!

Marshals, Signs like yellow flags, SOS ects are in rallying for a reason.... I see nothing wrong for a driver to continue after seeing an incident in an area full of people and marshals and no indication to stop... If Prokop was in an area with no people around or marshals then ok i would expect them to stop and i am sure they would...but given the circumstances they did the right thing.

if every driver stopped to check every incident i doubt we were going to have a single stage run in the History of the sport...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Good morning from Australia! Well afternoon actually.. I just woke up

[Carlo]

they could offer their fire extinguishers... at least that!! maybe if they all stopped they could stop the fire...

with everything that's been happening recently in rallying I can't imagine seeing that scenario and continue driving like there's nothing wrong...

one day it could be my car on fire...

I am confident that the passing crews would have been very concerned but you can not expect them to dismantle their on-board extingusher system and use it like it was a hand held variety.

The other issue that raises it's head is that once one has used their extingusher/s they cannot continue in the event until they have been replaced.

And finally the crew was out of the car and they did not request assistance thats really is the end of it no matter how ones emotions may feel about it at the time.

[rallysupportnl]

Video Day One WRC Rallye Deutschland 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODfVFLxuOP4

[GigiGalliNo1]

Listen to #WRCLive on Puffin browser on iPhone. Dwnld it, settings, screen lock OFF and visit #WRC.com fanzone, listen Popout radio!

[stefanvv]

Why the hell Neuville and Sordo and Atkinson didn't stoped? With a car in flames in front of him and he didn't stoped? Unbelieveble...

Is this kind of drivers that we have on WRC?!?

Prokop's co-driver signaled Sordo to continue, I guess marshals have told Neuville and Atkinson to do the same. In this situation, they can't help with anything, even with their fire extinguishers. Fortunately modern car's tanks are secured enough, so the car didn't blew up and everybody are ok.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I believe the regulations dictate that a driver only has to stop and offer assistance if a crew asks for it by way of a signal. The co-driver usually goes back into the stage on foot and gives a signal as to whether assistance is needed or not. If the team does not request assistance, drivers coming through the stage are under no obligation to stop.

[N.O.T]

the stage has started... wrc.com still sleeps though.

[N.O.T]

splits are on...

[r199]

Ott Tanak, stopt at the prokop fire, and whas told to drive fire extinguishers whould not help, atleast that whas what ott told on rallyradio. car whas already gone, no chance to safe that one

[N.O.T]

no splits for solberg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Solberg slower ughh..

[N.O.T]

GPS glitch...

[N.O.T]

This is Loeb land...

no hope for the rest only pain and tears...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wonder the tyre choice for Ford drivers???