[WRC] Wales Rally GB [Archive] - Page 5

MrJan

13th November 2011, 17:55

Hopefully the end of Matthew Wilson's 5-year plan, he is wasting the Ford teams money.

Really?! Any facts to back up that remark? From where I'm sitting I'd have thought that Matt (and his old man) has been instrumental in bringing Stobart to the table (what with him being a Cumbria lad and Stobart being from Carlisle). If that's the case (i.e he's not actually taking a drive away from anyone as the drive wouldn't exist without him) then what's the issue. One of the things that struck me today, having not been to a WRC round for a few years, was just how many WRC cars there were, even though it was the last day and there's been a quite high attrition rate. Far enough a large number of them aren't competitive but it's still good to see them out.

Wilson was noticeably slower though. He overdrives the car and is nowhere near as smooth as someone like Seb MK2. Also he was about the only one that entered the corner sideways (where I was watching), most of the top runners would understeer through the first part and then a bit of power oversteer on the way out. Wilson was well sideways going in AND had power oversteer.

Enjoyed the day all in all (apart from the early start and the freezing wind), first WRC since about '06 so good to see the sports best, just a shame I only got to see Loeb the once and the battle was ruined. Also a shame that Kris couldn't grab that podium, he was taking such large chunks out of Henning and was clearly the quicker driver (he didn't have that Mini anti-lag singing nearly as much as those other Mini drivers ;) )

Arwel Davies

13th November 2011, 17:56

I was not surprised when Loeb crashed on the road section , he was driving like a ****ing idiot all saturday on the road sections . We were by a stoplight over a 1 lane bridge and he comes down the outside flat as and near hit a VW the had the right of way.

I think they all drive like maniacs on the road sections. A group N and a S2000 Fiesta overtook me on a blind corner with a crest on the way back to Builth Wells on Friday.

Anyway, well done Jari Matti on a fantastic win for him and Ford. We've been out since Thursday and its been a great rally, a little bit of a anti climax with Mikko crashing out Friday afternoon but thats rallying for you.

Barreis

13th November 2011, 17:57

Finns are being provoked here no matter what Finnish drivers do - win or lose. Yes - that comment you reported was below the belt, but also from inexperienced forumer who have had his tongue firmly in cheek since post one. However, it seems to be fuel for some certain forumers' strange fantasies to put emotions and thoughts on our minds, of course without any concrete or factual base. Had Mikko Hirvonen won the championship in GB the way it could've happened, I would've felt ashamed for the sport just as any other decent rally fan, be it German, Welsh, French, Czech, Greek or Croatian. But please let me enjoy a bit on Latvala's first and last victory of the season.

Now if you read this between the lines as "tasty finish tears" (sic), I'll just take a break and leave you to it. You don't need me for that.

Well, enjoy it. He deserved that win I guess.

Jafry

13th November 2011, 18:17

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_fecd6e2bfe.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_625d8e80c9.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_cc5383555f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_9e00f96a04.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_69f878bbf8.jpg

More photos from last day and podium ceremony HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=955&fseason=2011)

Barreis

13th November 2011, 18:21

Nice photos.

dimviii

13th November 2011, 18:31

congrats to Jari and Ford for the win.Well deserved victory for Jari but i d like to see it inside stages till the end.
i am very curious to see who is going to be the No1 in Ford for 2012
Definetely Malcolm has to solve a big problem in his team.

Congrats for Loeb and Citroen for another double.
Loeb was nodoubt best driver by far the whole year,and prooved that even without help of Ogier,could manage at last rallies to get the target.

@Tolis
about the number of drivers stage wins ,i d like to see how many stage wins has both Sebs Jari,Mikko,at last day only.
I think that the conclusion is going to be very interesting. ;)

Mirek

13th November 2011, 18:42

Plus on first day when Loeb was almost always sweeping.

dimviii

13th November 2011, 18:48

Plus on first day when Loeb was almost always sweeping.

Right.Some times numbers don t tell the ''truth'',or the whole ''truth'' if you like.

Barreis

13th November 2011, 18:50

The only true is that Loeb is the best rally driver ever.

Juha_Koo

13th November 2011, 18:54

Loeb was by far the best driver this season. JML was perhaps the fastest. Mikko the most consistent. Rallying is so much more than just speed. It's the combination of several things plus luck (or whatever you call it).

Can't help it but I'm having rather empty feeling at the moment. :-P

N.O.T

13th November 2011, 19:34

Throughout the history of motorsport NONE ever managed to get 8 championships in the top class....let alone 8 concecutive ones....

About the stage wins the fact that Loeb retired 3 times without restarting in superally also played a big role, adding the fact he was the sweeper the whole championship from start to finish then yoy can understand why the result favours latvala...

OwenBoy

13th November 2011, 19:39

I had a fantastic day at Sweet Lamb yesterday, what a superb location for my first rally viewing. Organisation superb, WRC cars awesome and loved the oddball's like the Volvo's!

I also really enjoyed the service area at Builth Wells, being in the trade I enjoyed watching the technicians working away.

I have one question to all that attended the Builth Wells area, anyone know the Gent who was in the Blue tool sales van sited next to the Burger Van opposite the inflatable start ring??

I fancied some of his stock but returned far too late from the cracking event at sweet lamb. Took no contact details and have forgotten the name on the van. Judging by his accent and local knowledge he may be from the Mid Wales area.

Any Help very much appreciated :D

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rallye-sport

13th November 2011, 19:43

All photos from last day Photos Rallye de Grande-Bretagne 2011 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-grande-bretagne-2011/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/grande-bretagne-2011/3_0.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/grande-bretagne-2011/8_0.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/grande-bretagne-2011/19_0.jpg

All photos from last day Photos Rallye de Grande-Bretagne 2011 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-grande-bretagne-2011/)

bluuford

13th November 2011, 19:51

About the stage wins the fact that Loeb retired 3 times without restarting in superally also played a big role, adding the fact he was the sweeper the whole championship from start to finish then yoy can understand why the result favours latvala...

It does not change much but I must clarify the facts... you must remember that Mikko was sweeping in Mexico, Portugal and Jordan. Mikko was leading the championship until Jordan. Loeb was sweeping during the next four rounds and after that there was tarmac or very wet conditions. So, very easy year in terms of Loeb´s normal standards ;-)

And Loeb retired only twice without superally, second time was GB where he missed only couple of stages. So, it has been pretty poor year for him regarding stage wins... according to his normal standards.

And it seems that our loved Quensel leaves his position in a proper way (as he is worth it - no Citroens in top 10 in his last rally)

Congradulations to Loeb!

tolis

13th November 2011, 20:19

Problem for Semerad?
http://www.walesrallygb.com/2.12_-_Stewards_Decision_No._8.pdf

tfp

13th November 2011, 20:26

Allyc85

13th November 2011, 20:37

Got back a couple hours ago from a brilliant Rally GB! The weather was perfect while were out on the stages and the driving was brilliant, the newer cars are much more entertaining IMO!

Friday we went to Service and spent pretty much the whole afternoon camped outside the Ford area watching the cars being worked on. it was only by chance that went back into the Ford area to find that Hirvonens car was back on a trailer. The damage to the radiator was so minor that from behind the barriers you couldnt even see it was punctured till it was tipped up. After alot of hard work from the guys it was sad to hear the car turn over and not start and soon it was apparent that Mikko was out :(

Saturday we were up early and went to Myherin which is now my favourite stage to spectate on and it was great to meet up with so many friends including Phil, known to you guys as Mintexmemory :) The commitment was brilliant from most of the field with a few bouncing off one of the banks, but the Minis lack of power was massively evident up the steep climb. Loeb and JML were unreal through that section, taking big cuts and launching huge rocks into the middle of the stage! Then in the afternoon after the National B rally (Nick Elliot was epic in his Mk2 Escort!) we walked another mile or so up the stage to where the wind turbines are and the viewing was stunning with views over the valley where you could see the cars for ages! Meeke had a huuuuuge slide right infront of us and did well to hold onto it, while one of the Mentos Evo's went off stopping just short of a ditch! Unfortunately the engine wouldnt restart and with it being sat on its belly we couldnt pull it out :(

Then today we went up onto the Epynt ranges and watched both the Crychan and Halfway stages. There was some great entertainment at the hairpin at Dixies with a few stalls and a couple cars seemingly missing the turn all together! In the afternoon we watched from a bit further down the stage with the cars coming bloody fast up hill towards Dixies before listening to them bouncing off the limiter part way down the following straight! Meeke again was on it, getting everything from the car, it was disappointing for him not to get on the podium, but fair play to him for having a go!

Well done to JML on the win, he was on it all weekend and is a billion miles away from the driver he was a couple years ago.

Any ways pics and a couple videos will follow in a couple days or so!

306 Cosworth

13th November 2011, 20:57

Had an epic rally here's some video from me.

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KKS

13th November 2011, 21:02

Problem for Semerad?
http://www.walesrallygb.com/2.12_-_Stewards_Decision_No._8.pdf
Yes, big one.... it's DQ

http://www.walesrallygb.com/2.13_-_Stewards_Decision_No._9.pdf

KKS

13th November 2011, 21:12

It's true to assume that Mikko's engine problem is after trying to finish a stage with overheating engine. So if Hirvonen decide to SupeRallying after watching a "high temp" lamp he's got a 25min penalty. And if he was driving on a Latvala pace he will end a rally on 15position with 25min behind a leader. If all Ford Fiesta's WRC will catch a penalty. like JML do every rally :D , Hirvonen would be in 7th position with 6 points. And this is a 220 points to championship, and after that he win a power stage = 223 points against Loeb's 222. And be a best ever paper rally champion. But too many "if" at this conjectures.

MrJan

13th November 2011, 21:15

My amateur-tastic pics from today are now up on Flickr. Rally GB 2011*: un album sur Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/sets/72157627995647395/)

Here's a couple of my favourites:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6052/6341219022_4d086c4a1d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6341219022/)
Meeke (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6341219022/) by Jan Yeo (http://www.flickr.com/people/mrjanyeo/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6117/6341633552_3fb0ddcf79_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6341633552/)
IMG_3223 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6341633552/) by Jan Yeo (http://www.flickr.com/people/mrjanyeo/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6340511533_26ecedbc6f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6340511533/)
Ogier (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrjanyeo/6340511533/) by Jan Yeo (http://www.flickr.com/people/mrjanyeo/), on Flickr

Ucci

13th November 2011, 21:17

My dear friends, I must say that we live in a stressful time, financial fractures, the global crisis, EU citizens are paying the Greek debts....all this will definitely stay as a warning to future generations, but there is a one rally driver (and his codriver), for which we will proudly explain that we lived when the two of them wrote a history. Nowebody before and in the future is not able to repeat such a result. With all Loeb's achivments others world famous rallying names fade. Simple....without having to offend someone.
And the best thing is, that the story is not finished yet. Currently I can't see anyone to chalenge Loeb through whole season 2012. There are rallys where someone could be even faster due to the situation, but that is yust one rally. And we saw this for the past eight years. And there are still ''optimists'', who belive in miracle...Ok, it is still their right (and again and again disappointment).
However, congrats to JML for his first win in the 2011, he deserved it.
But the eight championship title is worth much more. Time to celebrate for Loeb & Elena.

Barreis

13th November 2011, 21:19

Nobre has very nice mini.

mousti

13th November 2011, 21:41

Allyc85

13th November 2011, 21:44

That jump is a joke and I cant believe it wasnt picked up sooner and that the "marshalls" didnt do more about it!

Nobre has very nice mini.

Shame he stalled it around a hairpin this morning in front of a lot of people hehe

PLuto

13th November 2011, 21:55

Martin Semerad excluded from Wales Rally GB - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12997)

Mirek

13th November 2011, 22:00

Martin Semerád was disqualified so third place overall in PWRC comes to Michal Kosciuszko.

The reason is using different front top suspension mounting plates than homologated (as I was told by Dimviii they used probably those from Evo X). It doesn't bring anything but it's out of homologation. The team says it was a mistake of their supplier but they also could check. It doesn't matter now, there will be no appeal.

BDunnell

13th November 2011, 22:01

Barreis

13th November 2011, 22:03

Then Safari should be forbiden from FIA calendar.

Andre Oliveira

13th November 2011, 22:05

Barreis

13th November 2011, 22:29

This two months will be difficoult.

Juha_Koo

13th November 2011, 22:35

Don't know if it's posted here yet.. But damn.. What a destroying place on that stage

Wales Rally GB 2011 SS16 ( should have been STOPED!!) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4BR50J9JnGs)

Ouch, quite nasty.

Once again marshalls not giving a sh*t about almost anything, I was amused already on Friday when Jarmo shouted people to come to push the car but the only thing the marshalls did was to keep every single person as far away from the car as possible. Yeah - I know - they've been instructed to do so. But common sense should be used. Nowdays even in Finland marshalls seem to be pretty confused in case of crash. When Mikko crashed in Urria back in 2010, there was no warning put up. Luckily spectators cleared the route. And that's just one example, there's dozens of more, the most incredible situation this year was in Germany when after their crash, Östberg gave the triangle to a marshall for him to put it up before the corner while Mads and Jonas where contacting the team etc. The marshall took the triangle and stood there motionless. Must have been a big WTF moment for them. Luckily it didn't result in crash or injuries. Marshalls should be taught to obey drivers and in addition to the over-protecting safety instructions they should be taught some basic rally stuff...

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate marshalls and the work they do (might even try it out myself sometime in the future) and not a single event would be possible without them. So thanks.

Then back to the video... Funny how some are saying in the comments that the stage should have been stopped. Warning from the marshalls/retired competitors is enough.

ridder

13th November 2011, 22:51

Throughout the history of motorsport NONE ever managed to get 8 championships in the top class....let alone 8 concecutive ones....

Giacomo Agostini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Agostini)

Sure his 8 500cc (top class) titles aren't in a row, then again he would get 2 titles per year in two categories at once, if we count all those we get to 12 consecutive titles.

Rossi is very close to Loeb as well, what's more Rossi won titles for different manufacturers in back to back years.

Too bad there wasn't any reason for Loeb to switch at any point as he could manage that as well. But I understand that switching to VW now is even less tempting.

@NOT I won't see your answer, so don't bother. Reason why I saw it in the first place is cause I wasn't logged, won't make that mistake again.

Nornbugger

13th November 2011, 23:17

Then Safari should be forbiden from FIA calendar.

bs, Safari is ment to be that way and cars and drivers are prepared with this in mind, young Evans was middle of the road over that jump and his car destroyed, this shouldnt happen on an event like this and I feel there should be hard questions for the stage officials and marshals local to that section

BDunnell

13th November 2011, 23:48

bs, Safari is ment to be that way and cars and drivers are prepared with this in mind

My thoughts exactly. I'm all for making rallies tougher, but I thought this to be unacceptable.

N.O.T

14th November 2011, 00:02

Giacomo Agostini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Agostini)

Sure his 8 500cc (top class) titles aren't in a row, then again he would get 2 titles per year in two categories at once, if we count all those we get to 12 consecutive titles.

Rossi is very close to Loeb as well, what's more Rossi won titles for different manufacturers in back to back years.

Too bad there wasn't any reason for Loeb to switch at any point as he could manage that as well. But I understand that switching to VW now is even less tempting.

@NOT I won't see your answer, so don't bother. Reason why I saw it in the first place is cause I wasn't logged, won't make that mistake again.

Ahh Aghostini indeed....thought he had seven....

oh well there is always next year for Mr Loeb :)

Juha_Koo

14th November 2011, 00:04

bs, Safari is ment to be that way and cars and drivers are prepared with this in mind, young Evans was middle of the road over that jump and his car destroyed, this shouldnt happen on an event like this and I feel there should be hard questions for the stage officials and marshals local to that section

What if it would have been somewhere deep in the forests with no marshalls nearby? Varying conditions are part of rallying. That's even relatively safe "very bad place", in Mökkiperä stage there's this 400-metre straight which ends to a very sandy and soft braking point for a slow corner. Östberg rolled there few years back from 100+ kph just because it was so rutted and the car launched itself over. Also PG had a moment in the same place (not to forget many later runners), but still no need for any special caution or to sue the organizers. If it's very bad, put up a warning. It's rallying.

N.O.T

14th November 2011, 00:25

What if it would have been somewhere deep in the forests with no marshalls nearby? Varying conditions are part of rallying. That's even relatively safe "very bad place", in Mökkiperä stage there's this 400-metre straight which ends to a very sandy and soft braking point for a slow corner. Östberg rolled there few years back from 100+ kph just because it was so rutted and the car launched itself over. Also PG had a moment in the same place (not to forget many later runners), but still no need for any special caution or to sue the organizers. If it's very bad, put up a warning. It's rallying.

you cannot compromise safety with the mentality "this is rallying"... i think the place was dangerous not only for the cars but for the crews as well...such violent impacts may break the back of a person easily, especially those of older persons.

I think when a danger can be avoided it should be avoided....the marshals should have been in that place slowing the cars down far earlier.

Juha_Koo

14th November 2011, 00:47

I think when a danger can be avoided it should be avoided....

:D Nice comment on a motorsport forum, I cracked up. Rallying is dangerous - I guess it needs to be stopped.

Ofcourse the marshalls should have warned crews earlier. But all talking about cancelling the stage or giving competitors back their entry fee is total nonsense.

N.O.T

14th November 2011, 02:49

:D Nice comment on a motorsport forum, I cracked up. Rallying is dangerous - I guess it needs to be stopped.

Ofcourse the marshalls should have warned crews earlier. But all talking about cancelling the stage or giving competitors back their entry fee is total nonsense.

i did not say they should have cancelled the stage, that would be stupid.....but they should have warned the crews FAR earlier.

There is a difference between the general danger that involvment in motorsport has and danger which can be avoided....if for example a big rock,log,branch gets digged out on the road you would leave it there risking an accident because rallying is dangerous ???

GigiGalliNo1

14th November 2011, 02:56

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_9e00f96a04.jpg

That podium looks so small compared to Rally Australia, it even look BETTER then the crappy one in Australia! :)

Zeakiwi

14th November 2011, 05:00

Don't know if it's posted here yet.. But damn.. What a destroying place on that stage

Wales Rally GB 2011 SS16 ( should have been STOPED!!) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4BR50J9JnGs)

The passing of the cars can change the road contour. It is like the water crossing in Rally Argentina that was a lot deeper the second time the stage was run and caused damage to cars.

GigiGalliNo1

14th November 2011, 06:30

Any video with WRC cars in that jump?

Day 3 coverage has the jump in question with WRCars... (ESPN coverage)

Nornbugger

14th November 2011, 09:01

What if it would have been somewhere deep in the forests with no marshalls nearby? Varying conditions are part of rallying. That's even relatively safe "very bad place", in Mökkiperä stage there's this 400-metre straight which ends to a very sandy and soft braking point for a slow corner. Östberg rolled there few years back from 100+ kph just because it was so rutted and the car launched itself over. Also PG had a moment in the same place (not to forget many later runners), but still no need for any special caution or to sue the organizers. If it's very bad, put up a warning. It's rallying.

20 years ago I'd agree with you, but now with shorter rallies where drivers have to be on it 100% of the time they simply cant have caution everywhere, this was 1 terrible spot in the whole rally, marshals were right beside it, they should have acted, if it had been a remote spot then its part of life, here it was easy to see what was happening for the onlookers and they should have acted earlier in flagging the cars down.

I'm not familiar with what happened to Ostberg, but my opinion is that if it is a hazard that can be seen then fair game, if it is something hidden like the Sweet Lamb wreck zone was hidden by the jump then if possible the drivers deserve a little help

6789

14th November 2011, 09:18

Any video with WRC cars in that jump?

This is WRC coverage from the jump, not so dug out at all

Wales Rally GB 2011. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuah9d8ERU8&feature=related)

Roy

14th November 2011, 10:03

have somebody a high res pic of car #66 Dettori?

Thnx

Fri

14th November 2011, 10:12

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/13_wales/03_barsony_szombat/images/RSHU_Photo_002_jpg.jpg

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/13_wales/03_barsony_szombat/images/RSHU_Photo_021_jpg.jpg

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/13_wales/04_barsony_vasarnap/images/RSHU_Photo_007_jpg.jpg

more pictures:
: : Rallysport.hu - Wales Rally GB - Fotó Galéria : : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/13_wales/picture_gallery.htm)

Allyc85

14th November 2011, 10:43

Loeb on Myherin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2D7hbShCf0

I have a video of JML but the auto-focus on my compact camera went a bit mental as he came along. The first right hander is where Meeke was very sideways and later where a Mentos Evo 9 went off.

tfp

14th November 2011, 17:14

20 years ago I'd agree with you, but now with shorter rallies where drivers have to be on it 100% of the time they simply cant have caution everywhere, this was 1 terrible spot in the whole rally, marshals were right beside it, they should have acted, if it had been a remote spot then its part of life, here it was easy to see what was happening for the onlookers and they should have acted earlier in flagging the cars down.

I'm not familiar with what happened to Ostberg, but my opinion is that if it is a hazard that can be seen then fair game, if it is something hidden like the Sweet Lamb wreck zone was hidden by the jump then if possible the drivers deserve a little help

I'll have a look for the video for you, he had an off in germany and gave the warning triangle to a marshall, ostberg expected him to do the marshall thing and use it to warn the other cars of a hazard up ahead. Instead, the marshall looked a bit confused, like he diddnt know what to do with it, then Mads took the triangle off him and ran off down the stage with it. Cue a big cheer from the fans spectating :D

Allyc85

14th November 2011, 17:24

Oh yes and in my summary of the event I forgot to congratulate Craig Breen on his Academy win :D :D

Tourist my bloody arse....

Mintexmemory

14th November 2011, 17:34

Just back in circulation after a brilliant 5 days. JML is the Man now -Loeb was reported as having said 'he is now a rival'. The win couldn't have gone to a nicer guy.
Wales Rally GB 2011 - Shakedown at Builth Wells*: un album sur Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157628001541869/)
This is my set of shakedown digitals. More added day by day as I get the time to process. Hopefully, by early next week I'll have my 35mm stuff processed - had a nice conversation with Carlos Del Barrio about 35mm cameras at the pre-podium holding area. He noticed my Pentax KM and said he was going to get a Nikon FM 10. (photos of that location to come)
Big respect to all the top 10 finishers in different ways, to Hayden Paddon, who worked wonders with the R4 Impreza which has had no suspension development and Craig Breen for totally dominating the Academy. :D (can't get the grin off my face)

Andre Oliveira

14th November 2011, 19:20

Day 3 coverage has the jump in question with WRCars... (ESPN coverage)

This is WRC coverage from the jump, not so dug out at all

Wales Rally GB 2011. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuah9d8ERU8&feature=related)

Thanks! Any photo of Henning in the final podium?

Xsara Fan

14th November 2011, 19:53

Thanks! Any photo of Henning in the final podium?

http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/13_WaleGB/2011_11_14_wales_henning.jpg

Tinke1979

14th November 2011, 20:56

:D Nice comment on a motorsport forum, I cracked up. Rallying is dangerous - I guess it needs to be stopped.

Ofcourse the marshalls should have warned crews earlier. But all talking about cancelling the stage or giving competitors back their entry fee is total nonsense.

I´ve heard that marshalls were warning about this place in stage startline.. Don´t know if this is true or not.. One warning triangle should be enough to warn others here... Conditions and roadsurface is always changing in rallying..

Btw. We have a nice trip on Wales :) not manage to see any offroads or crashes but multiple close calls and fine driving!

darkstar

14th November 2011, 21:10

that jump is really nasty, here´s a bit similar situation. it was basically a straight, but the stage was driven 3 times and from braking etc. the road got worse ansd worse, then it ended like this: Hellendoorn Rallye crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufohYaXB1sM&feature=player_embedded)

uranium

14th November 2011, 21:47

Mentos team is testing Mini (http://video.bigmir.net/show/267025/)

JoostSchouten

14th November 2011, 21:51

What a great weekend it was, saw really fast stages!

http://rally.arfman.net/ForumplaatjeWales2011.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogmMM77aGw

Watch my video in HD at Youtube: WRC Wales Rally GB 2011 (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogmMM77aGw&hd=1)

sollitt

15th November 2011, 00:59

Suggestions that the stage should have been stopped are naive. The road was traversable therefore no reason to stop it at all.
The video of the front running cars shows that the road was fine at that time and any suggestion that the stage be stopped or altered, or warning given, would have to be very carefully considered before any action taken.

As the area was a significant spectator point there ought have been a senior official present whose word the Clerk of Course would trust. That being the case, he or she should have assessed the situation immediately it became apparent there was an issue and arranged for an appropriate warning to be issued at the stage start. There is a suggestion, unconfirmed, that this did happen.

Other than that, a warning sign might have been appropriate however it's unlikely they'd have one with them in which case they could have commandeered a Zetka triangle or two from one of the stricken cars.

Other than that there's not a hell of a lot that the marshalls could have or should have done. Remember that the main reason they're there at all is probably crowd control and that competitors themselves have a responsibility to look out for each others welfare.

There was a suggestion made that marshalls ought be trained to 'obey instructions from competitors'. I doubt there's a rally organiser anywhere in the world who would agree with that idea. Most competitors wouldn't know which way their arse is pointed and in fact it is they who are required to obey instructions from officials.

Similarly someone suggested that, in a German event, a marshall was handed a Zetka and expected to do something with it. What? To wave it is an indication that a following competitor is required to stop and render urgently needed assistance. Placing it on the ground is a warning that there is a stricken car ahead possibly blocking some, or all, of the road and doing this is a responsibilty of the competitor, not the marshall.

uranium

15th November 2011, 07:36

Had an epic rally here's some video from me.

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Hey, man! What's up to your video? Wanna see more :)

MartijnS

15th November 2011, 09:48

My photos are online now!

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/Abbring%206.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/Prokop%203.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/Merksteijn%201.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/Ostberg%205.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/Tanak%202.jpg

More at --> CLICK (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/walesrallygb/walesrallygb.html) !

fastboy

15th November 2011, 13:16

A good Rally GB ,with the usual mix of weather.Have a look at my short video from the event : Wales Rally GB 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuPR4X4brG8&feature=feedu)

pettersolberg29

15th November 2011, 15:50

Anyone have a link to the video of the post-event press conference? Would love to see Henning's reaction.

bluuford

15th November 2011, 17:24

Well, at the end of GB I found out that Loeb won his title nr 8 with the lowest number of rally wins (Only 5 wins during the season for him - lowest number during the last 8 years).

Bobcat

15th November 2011, 17:37

Review Wales Rally GB - Ford WRC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1eFHuFyd7g)

Gregor-y

15th November 2011, 18:06

Watch my video in HD at Youtube: WRC Wales Rally GB 2011 (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogmMM77aGw&hd=1)
Great job filming the Chevette!

tolis

16th November 2011, 11:17

Nice photo: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297042_255910134458579_100001187840907_728238_2505 96613_n.jpg
:D

dimviii

16th November 2011, 13:56

Loeb after crash
Sebastien Loeb collides with spectator 2011 WRC Wales Rally GB - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs1dYjE24K0&feature=related)

Allyc85

16th November 2011, 21:13

My pics are here Wales Rally GB 2011*: un album sur Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/sets/72157628135780952/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6102/6348284900_eea95ee7cf_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6348284900/)
Dani Sordo Myherin Rally GB 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6348284900/) by Allyc85 (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6347557507/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6347557507/http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6223/6347557507_95764e7ffb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6347557507/)
Jari-Matti Latvala Crychan Rally GB 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6347557507/) by Allyc85 (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6350834763/http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6212/6351581254_f4f4000751_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6351581254/)
Armindo Araujo Crychan Rally GB 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6351581254/) by Allyc85 (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6032/6351582564_649da5afb7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6351582564/)
Hayden Paddon Crychan Rally GB 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/6351582564/) by Allyc85 (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

Barreis

16th November 2011, 21:15

Nice photos.

olschl

22nd November 2011, 02:02

Any video with WRC cars in that jump?

1:39:00 in the below video is the spot I believe.

Ken Block Wales Rally GB 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM5nTxiyEFU&hd=1)

Motorsportfun

23rd November 2011, 16:08

Huw Silk

23rd November 2011, 16:27

Hi guys, sorry to hijack your thread but I have written a blog post about the Wales Rally GB (specifically a Welsh driver in the National B race) and would welcome any feedback or suggestions! Thanks Wales Rally GB: a non-elite perspective « An Early Bath (http://anearlybath.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/wales-rally-gb-a-non-elite-perspective/)

Juha_Koo

23rd November 2011, 16:41

Put a marshall with a yellow flag to calm the cars... =((

Yellow flag on the stage means that stage is stopped and all competitors must slow down and use road legal speed.

Mirek

23rd November 2011, 18:30

Unbelievable! WRC Wales Rally GB 2011 SS16 ( should have been STOPPED!!) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/4BR50J9JnGs)

What the 000-00-0 cars did before the start of the stage?? They didn't notice that that corner was tricky enough for the cars? Put a marshall with a yellow flag to calm the cars... =((

As Juha already said. Yellow flag in rallying has different meaning than on circuits. Unfortunately even marshals often doesn't know that and there comes troubles with notional times etc.

Anyway this hole was made by cars running the stage before those on the video. Basically it is same like ruts or stones on the road. It just happens.

Barreis

23rd November 2011, 18:35

It's nothing, this's rallying.

Juha_Koo

23rd November 2011, 19:46

Unfortunately even marshals often doesn't know that and there comes troubles with notional times etc.

Incredible but on the other hand I'm not even surprised.

The thing that came to my mind is that there isn't a global (or even regional/championship-based) warning signal gesture. The only thing is the SOS sign which is very powerful and there's some problems involved when using it in certain cases (and also not all know about it's existence). It wouldn't be too hard for FIA to make somesort of standardized warning signal gesture for marshalls and spectators to use and then implement a basic drawing to tickets/official programs to illustrate it. Then some explanation what to do in a case of crash where medical help is needed or if the car is blocking the route somehow.

Fly_Half

24th November 2011, 17:01

It's nothing, this's rallying.

I'm sure you wouldn't shrug your shoulders and say "It's nothing" if you'd just had £40k worth of Rally car written off as a result of something that, with a bit of common sense by the organisers, could have been easily avoided.

mousti

24th November 2011, 18:53

It should have warned from the start then, with a board or something Post Nr .. very dangerous.. Better solution than cancelling.

Barreis

24th November 2011, 20:39

I'm sure you wouldn't shrug your shoulders and say "It's nothing" if you'd just had £40k worth of Rally car written off as a result of something that, with a bit of common sense by the organisers, could have been easily avoided.

In service it can be fixed in 20 minutes if driver didn't destroy engine.

john_raschi-France

24th November 2011, 20:44

noel157

24th November 2011, 20:50

Hi all,

I need a very big help from your side!!!! I promise to a marshall son to send him the pictures of my rally. There were Marshalls in Sweet Lamb, here below a picture of them;

2845If someone knows or has contact who could help i will thank you a lot to let me know!!!

Jonathan

Jonathan, try on British Rally Forum | The UK's premier Tarmac Rally Forum | Road Rally Forum | Forest Rally Forum (http://www.britishrally.co.uk/) There might even be a marshall's section there (I don't read it) but best site to find out.

MJW

24th November 2011, 21:05

I liked Kris Meeke's thought the 4 day "endurance" Wales Rally GB was wrong as it added to the cost and dragged out the event and the road mileage, Kris was in favour of keeping the endurance element but suggested a 30 hour format, with long days. I think that makes a lot of sense as a good compromise, teams can keep their paddock club type service set ups, even go back to Cardiff every night. WRGB could / should keep the North Wales start, what we need is less trips back to service park, have more re-fuel halts, keep the stage kms whilst reducing unnecessary nights in hotels.

Sardalense

24th November 2011, 21:16

Hi all,

I need a very big help from your side!!!! I promise to a marshall son to send him the pictures of my rally. There were Marshalls in Sweet Lamb, here below a picture of them;

2845If someone knows or has contact who could help i will thank you a lot to let me know!!!

Jonathan

A couple of months ago in a portuguese rally a policeman allowed me to be in a place that was forbidden to the spectators if I promissed to send him the pictures. After a couple of days I sent him the pictures from that place through email and he invited me to drink a beer in the police station :D

Barreis

24th November 2011, 21:22

So what did you do?

tfp

24th November 2011, 23:14

So what did you do?

Cop get drunk and drive home? :D
(Jokes!)

Fly_Half

27th November 2011, 21:39

It's easy to judge afterwards. There's a lot of pressure for the organisation. Spectators paid for their tickets, marshalls are coming to help, sponsors have paid, governments have given permission to drive the stage, etc.. I'm not surprised when the organisation doesn't cancel a stage because of some hole in the road...

Where did I say anything about cancelling the stage? All it needed was a message back to the startline to warn the crews. Problem solved.

In service it can be fixed in 20 minutes if driver didn't destroy engine.

I don't understand what you're trying to say, it's clearly not the driver that has destroyed the engine in this case.