[WRC] Wales Rally GB

[Juha_Koo]

Mikko in the lead! Nice. :)

Ogier painfully slow... :rolleyes: On SS4, Nikara 4,3s faster than Paddon.

[Langdale Forest]

The sad thing is if Mikko wins the championship in the way that i said in my last post above, it would only really be down to the team orders on the last 3 rallies, so not a true champion really.

[ridder]

Looks like M-sport found some extra speed in the Fiesta? Neither of the 3 Citroens is keeping up with the people they were beating without problems for last half a year? (Loeb-Hirvonen, Ogier-Latvala, Solberg-Ostberg)

[pete c]

that's right they are a "team" and thats what teams do, still makes him the champion even if you dont like it.

[havk]

The sad thing is if Mikko wins the championship in the way that i said in my last post above, it would only really be down to the team orders on the last 3 rallies, so not a true champion really.

agree, but in 2009 there were team orders for Loeb.. altough I think he fully deserve the title because of lost of win in Australia which was Citroen fault.

[N.O.T]

Mikko Hirvonen could still win the championship if he wins the rally and if Loeb finished 2nd, but Mikko would have to win the power stage and for Loeb to finish 4th or lower on the power stage.

3rd or lower.....

[N.O.T]

Looks like M-sport found some extra speed in the Fiesta? Neither of the 3 Citroens is keeping up with the people they were beating without problems for last half a year? (Loeb-Hirvonen, Ogier-Latvala, Solberg-Ostberg)

nothing like that....Ford gave orders to Latvala to stay behind hirvoen the whole rally and Loeb is playing it safe...thus the difference.

[AndiG]

Mikko Hirvonen could still win the championship if he wins the rally and if Loeb finished 2nd, but Mikko would have to win the power stage and for Loeb to finish 4th or lower on the power stage.

Loeb can be second or third in the power stage i think... (same points if he is second and hirvonen won the first rally of the season)

[Ville]

agree, but in 2009 there were team orders for Loeb..

And also this season.

[pete c]

do you just make this stuff up to stir up the Hirvonen fans...

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb can be second or third in the power stage i think... (same points if he is second and hirvonen won the first rally of the season)

But Loeb has won more rallies this year.

[AP-Racing]

Where is Martin?

[N.O.T]

Loeb can be second or third in the power stage i think... (same points if he is second and hirvonen won the first rally of the season)

he must be 2nd if Hirvonen is 1st and 3rd if hirvonen is 2nd for Loeb to be champion.....

if hirvonen is 1st and Loeb 3rd mikko is champion (considering mikko win the rally and Loeb is 2nd of course)

I think the rally will be deided before we get to the power stage.

[N.O.T]

the big stage is on..

[Brother John]

But Loeb has won more rallies this year.

Maybe with the help of the No.2 drivers and team orders he has won eight years so many rallies! I said Maybe!!!

[Francis44]

And fight is over.

[Hartusvuori]

And fight is over.

Congratulations to Mr. Loeb. The 10 years plan stays on track.

[AP-Racing]

And fight is over.[/QUOTE

Congratulations to Mr. Loeb. The 10 years plans stays on track.

Wait....so early

[Julle69]

Hirvonen has stopped!!!

[Viking]

Game over...

[Hartusvuori]

Puncture for Hirvonen?

[Zeakiwi]

Cumbria is not so far to have to take a Fiesta WRC or two for repairs.

[Julle69]

Hirvonen is moving again...

[N.O.T]

It was decided on the conditions after all....well ok.

[sollitt]

... so not a true champion really. Aaah, the schoolboy returns. Grow up son, there is no unworthy champion.

[Brother John]

He is back on the road and full speed. These are normal things that happen in Wales

[N.O.T]

so now just mechanical problems can alter the result....

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg is dramatically slow !!! Östberg could catch him very soon :s

[N.O.T]

He is back on the road and full speed. These are normal things that happen in Wales

losing another minute on next split so the full speed thing is only in the star trek universe yoiu live in.....

[Bartek]

Ogier is very slow here....

[N.O.T]

Ogier passed hirvonen mid-stage he is now at the end of the stage.

[Sulland]

Too bad for Mikko, and the championship, and excitement for this rally!

[N.O.T]

4 minutes lost in total.....

[N.O.T]

mikko will be around 17th overall with his time....

[N.O.T]

can i now have an answer to my question ??

What is the average volume of tears a braindead nationalistic person sheds in a heavy crying session ???

I want to see if the tank i have is enough...i am planning to have a shower on your tears....

[pete c]

oh well may as well watch the f1, because it will be just as boring....damn and @@@@, was hoping for a good fight

[Brother John]

losing another minute on next split so the full speed thing is only in the star trek universe yoiu live in.....

We will certainly not talk about where you live.

[Francis44]

Possible engine problem for Hirvonnen according to Loeb.

[6789]

Disappointing, would have loved a fight

[N.O.T]

We will certainly not talk about where you live.

a ****hole is still better than a star trek universe.....

[N.O.T]

i up my question because it was at the bottom of the page again

can i now have an answer to my question ??

What is the average volume of tears a braindead nationalistic person sheds in a heavy crying session ???

I want to see if the tank i have is enough...i am planning to have a shower on your tears....

[jonkka]

Don't flood

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gutted... all over by 10am Friday. :(

[Hartusvuori]

Mikko's Fiesta certainly didn't sound like a fully working Fiesta...

[N.O.T]

i will try but i must say its tempting....

[focus206]

Too bad for Mikko :( Now, without problems/punctures/mistakes for Loeb the fight is over.

[N.O.T]

damaged suspension and radiator for mikko.

[HarriK]

Mikko possibly gone off road.
Damages: rear wheel is moving, engine sounds bad (like subaru sound) = maybe silencer problem? and radiator is also maybe damaged.

[Viking]

What is the average volume of tears a braindead nationalistic person sheds in a heavy crying session ???



why dont you measure it??

[Hartusvuori]

i up my question because it was at the bottom of the page again

can i now have an answer to my question ??

What is the average volume of tears a braindead nationalistic person sheds in a heavy crying session ???

I want to see if the tank i have is enough...i am planning to have a shower on your tears....

Who's living in the Star Trek universe now?

[pete c]

has there ever been a greek anybody, good at anything?
certainly not at rallying , so i suppose you have to feel sorry for that poor dog village fool NOT, because he cant show any national pride
in supporting anyone.
i think its really him who cries the tears

[Langdale Forest]

Meeke stopped

[6789]

Mikko possibly gone off road.
Damages: rear wheel is moving, engine sounds bad (like subaru sound) = maybe silencer problem? and radiator is also maybe damaged.
I thought it sounded like a Subaru as well, might damage engine on the way back to service

[noel157]

Hopefully only puncture for Meeke.

[Sulland]

This site seems to have the quickest result update with comments today: Výsledky Rallye: Výsledky on-line (http://vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=257&filtr=)

[HarriK]

I thought it sounded like a Subaru as well, might damage engine on the way back to service
100km to the service...

[Langdale Forest]

Is this the end of Matthew Wilson's 5 year plan?

[tolis]

Is this the end of Matthew Wilson's 5 year plan?
You mean 6 year plan. ;)

[Viking]

3 Norwegians in top5, not to bad. Only missing "Andy Mick" up there :)

[Rallyper]

Having N.O.T. on the ignore list, it still possible to see the number of replies he sending. He must be very happy now when Mikko went off. Only sick persons make their voice the way N.O.T does.

[N.O.T]

Having N.O.T. on the ignore list, it still possible to see the number of replies he sending. He must be very happy now when Mikko went off. Only sick persons make their voice the way N.O.T does.

that is the problem with the ignore list...i think the system should just not show anything...rather than this annoying..."this message...blah blah blah"

As for Hirvonen i am VERY happy that now the possibility to actually have the fastest and best driver winning the championship instead of a sick dog who in the last 4 rallies was just spoon-fed his points.....

[N.O.T]

Tanak out :(

[Tom206wrc]

oh well may as well watch the f1, because it will be just as boring....damn and @@@@, was hoping for a good fight


Go rather watch the 6 hours of Zhuhaï(China)...endurance racing...it'll be even more exciting ;)

[noel157]

On road section?

[N.O.T]

On road section?

no ignore it i saw the info on rally.cz but now changed...

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[rp]

Tanak out :(

How on earth? He is 6th after the SS 7...

[Plan9]

God what happened to Meeke? How did he lose so much time???? whats the Mini like on the stages if anyone is on them now...

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i agree its very annoying....the administrator should change the settings so nothing appears...like the user does not exist.

[Nornbugger]

How on earth? He is 6th after the SS 7...

ewrc says he is stopped in stage?

Any news of what delayed Meeke?

[paddocknews]

ewrc says he is stopped in stage?

Any news of what delayed Meeke?


Prodrive "Speaking to Kris now, alternator belt is missing, Kris has a spare on board and has time to replace it"

[HarriK]

Is this the end of Matthew Wilson's 5 year plan?

time to announce new 15year plan?

[Langdale Forest]

Hopefully his dad realises he is a waste of money and spends the money on better drivers like Tanak and Ostberg.

[tolis]

Where's Nikara? :(

[HarriK]

Nikara lost a lot... maybe catch fuchs and something happened then?

[Back-N-Black]

Yes the speed is there but not the entire rally since 2003!

Remember he is a privateer as well and does not have the service that the works teams have.

[HarriK]

Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F11%2F1434119%2Fhirvosen-epaonni-oksa-lavisti-jaahdyttimen)
Hirvonen's misfortune: branch pierced the radiator

[noel157]

Meeke has new alt belt fitted and now heading to service.

[AP-Racing]

If Loeb retires, Malcolm can stopped all Ford cars and Mikko will be champion

[darkstar]

what a pitty for hirvonen and meeke. and what about tänak? is he really out? what where the problems for hirvonen? mistake or technical? sorry i´m so uninformed, only woke up a couple of minutes ago :P

[cali]

Tänak continues, just a problem with timing

[N.O.T]

If Loeb retires, Malcolm can stopped all Ford cars and Mikko will be champion

If Loeb retires Hirvonen must finish 5th...i think he can do it without the orders.

[tolis]

Tanak is 6th overall.

[Langdale Forest]

If Loeb retires, Malcolm can stopped all Ford cars and Mikko will be champion

You really think that Malcolm Wilson would make all the private fords ahead of Hirvonen take a time penalty.
Even Ken Block?
Although Loeb would have to retire for this to happen, this would be the worst team orders ever.

[MikeD]

Good to see that justice prevailed and that the sport didn't have to live with a team-order champion. And now i just hope FIA will act on these stupid Ford teamordes they did 4-5 rallies in a row. It's destroying the sport!

[MikeD]

You really think that Malcolm Wilson would make all the private fords ahead of Hirvonen take a time penalty.
Even Ken Block?
Although Loeb would have to retire for this to happen, this would be the worst team orders ever.

I think that Malcom has proven on a number of times that he doesn't own a bone of sportsmanship in his body. He would without a doubt pull every possible teamorder to make his paper-champion. You will see this on Sunday if Loeb retires.

[NiekJ]

Hirvonen retires from day one:
Sebastien Loeb near-certain to be champion as Mikko Hirvonen retires from day one - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96078)

[jonkka]

I think that Malcom has proven on a number of times that he doesn't own a bone of sportsmanship in his body. He would without a doubt pull every possible teamorder to make his paper-champion. You will see this on Sunday if Loeb retires.

MW has traditionally the one team manager that hasn't favoured one driver over another.

[AP-Racing]

You really think that Malcolm Wilson would make all the private fords ahead of Hirvonen take a time penalty.
Even Ken Block?
Although Loeb would have to retire for this to happen, this would be the worst team orders ever.

I think he can....

[Langdale Forest]

Even with all the superrally penties, Hirvonen would probably catch up all the PWRC and S2000 cars tomorrow and on Sunday.

But if he drops 5 minets a stage with superrally penalies, he can't get back the time.

[Tom206wrc]

MW has traditionally the one team manager that hasn't favoured one driver over another.


Well, not this year...everything comes to an end ;)

[focus206]

Hirvonen retires from day one:
Sebastien Loeb near-certain to be champion as Mikko Hirvonen retires from day one - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96078)

Now it's over for sure.

[Langdale Forest]

So it woild be impossible for Hirvonen to be champion even if Loeb retires, Hirvonen goes on maximum attack tomorrow and Sunday and Malcolm Wilson orders the penalties of ALL the Ford Fiestas?

[darkstar]

what is a submerged branch? some hidden obstacle or so?

[Hartusvuori]

And now i just hope FIA will act on these stupid Ford teamordes they did 4-5 rallies in a row.

Three (3) rallies in a row, if facts are appreciated. It doesn't change much, I know, but setting it straight.

[Langdale Forest]

I'm sure that Hirvonen stopped on the road section to be towed back to the service park, so he can go maximum attack for the next 2 days and IF Loeb retires, Malcolm Wilson would make evry ford ahead of Mikko retire of get a massive penalty (Even Latvals who would be leading in the event of Loeb's retirement). Hirvonen would be upto 5th because he could probably get past the PWRC cars on pace alone and MW would order the retirement or penalties of the S2000 Fiestsas as well.

Is there a time limit for how long the Mikko's car can be repaired overnight?

[6789]

I dont think Mikko will be running tomorrow since they ran it with no water. Engine would be gone I'd say

[zephyr]

:(
I just woke up and was hoping for a nice WRC weekend.
Too bad.

[6789]

I'm sure that Hirvonen stopped on the road section to be towed back to the service park, so he can go maximum attack for the next 2 days and IF Loeb retires, Malcolm Wilson would make evry ford ahead of Mikko retire of get a massive penalty (Even Latvals who would be leading in the event of Loeb's retirement). Hirvonen would be upto 5th because he could probably get past the PWRC cars on pace alone and MW would order the retirement or penalties of the S2000 Fiestsas as well.

Is there a time limit for how long the Mikko's car can be repaired overnight?

Pretty sure it's 3 hours, but they cannot replace engine. So speculation is probably not worth it

[Francis44]

Stop dreaming. Loeb will not do a mistake.... History proves Loeb drives even better under pressure.

And I dont think the engine will fail again. Citroen rarely makes mistakes, much less twice.

In my opinion Loeb is the one to deserve it so Im happy with him winning.

[RS]

I don't think even Wilson would pull enough tricks to make Mikko champion this time, especially as it was Mikko's mistake it would leave a rather bitter taste.

Anyway, no hard feelings against Mikko but it looks like we will get the right result this year.

[kobefly]

What a shame. We lost the opportunity to see the battle go on for the next two and a half days.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I cant argue that Loeb does not deserve to be champion again.

His record proves he is the best.

It would just have been great to see a close battle on this rally and the chance of a new champion...

Such a shame its over so early after all the build-up and excitement of yesterday. :(

[Francis44]

Latvala can finnaly win something this year, I dont think Loeb will respond if he pushes.

[bassist]

I'm sure that Hirvonen stopped on the road section to be towed back to the service park, so he can go maximum attack for the next 2 days and IF Loeb retires, Malcolm Wilson would make evry ford ahead of Mikko retire of get a massive penalty (Even Latvals who would be leading in the event of Loeb's retirement). Hirvonen would be upto 5th because he could probably get past the PWRC cars on pace alone and MW would order the retirement or penalties of the S2000 Fiestsas as well.

Is there a time limit for how long the Mikko's car can be repaired overnight?

Dont think Seb : will blow it now- He can pace himself,and there could be engine damage to Mikko`s car. I think it`s all over bar the shouting.

[tfp]

I feel sorry for all the ford fans that travelled all over great britian to see this:-(

[GigiGalliNo1]

if Loeb retires in RallyGB or outside of top ten for points, who will be champion?

[RS]

Is this the end of Matthew Wilson's 5 year plan?

He said he will not necessarily remain loyal to Ford even though it's Daddy's team, so if another team come looking for his signature M-Sport could lose him.

[bassist]

if Loeb retires in RallyGB or outside of top ten for points, who will be champion?

Loeb, if Hirvonen cannot rejoin, Loeb will still be 8 points ahead.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loeb, if Hirvonen cannot rejoin, Loeb will still be 8 points ahead.

Cool thanks! Not able to figure out points... :)

[ridder]

Good to see that justice prevailed and that the sport didn't have to live with a team-order champion. And now i just hope FIA will act on these stupid Ford teamordes they did 4-5 rallies in a row. It's destroying the sport!

Loeb is a 2009 team-order champion.
Citroen team orders in Poland (Novikov and Rautenbach ordered to drop 20 minutes) and Spain (Sordo leading on saturday before being told to slow down) helped Loeb.
Fords missing team orders in Sardinia hurt Hirvonen.

There's no "justice" in the sport, team orders just happen.

[jonkka]

Justice is loser's term

[Wasted Talent]

Loeb is a 2009 team-order champion.
Citroen team orders in Poland (Novikov and Rautenbach ordered to drop 20 minutes) and Spain (Sordo leading on saturday before being told to slow down) helped Loeb.
Fords missing team orders in Sardinia hurt Hirvonen.

There's no "justice" in the sport, team orders just happen.

Exactly.

Once Latvala had no chance of title M-Sport had no real choice in this TEAM sport but to favour Mikko to the end of his chance to win the title.

You may not like team orders, and I don't like them, but this is the way the sport is - Ford do not put millions in to not try and get every point. Citroen is no different

WT

[oldnwrinkly]

Hi,

I have just registered here in order to make a plea to any fans who may currently be spectators in the Corris area or who plan to attend other venues.

Earlier today I sent the following email message to Stephan Tibbetts ---

" Dear Sir,

I live in the village of Corris Isaf - my house is in the centre of the village.
Last night we were kept awake by a series of loud bangs and, as this persisted well into the early morning (at least 3 am), I eventually got dressed and and went out in order to to see if I could locate the source of this disturbance.
Looking eastwards across the valley, through the trees, I could see a stream of car headlamps moving up the forestry track which leads from Evans Bridge so I assume that this noise was connected with the rally.
Whether this was caused by by the fans or the teams setting up, I do not know but I somehow doubt it was the latter as in the past, when I have acted as a safety/access marshal for various manufacturers teams (Citroen, Subaru etc,) when they have held private testing sessions locally, they always seemed to set up very efficiently and quietly.

Could I suggest you investigate this matter with some urgency.
As a lifelong motorsport fan, I feel it would be sad to see events such as the the Wales Rally GB banned from areas like ours - some local people complain about rally noise during daytime hours (there will always be a few) and to have this kind of disturbance during the night could lead to such a ban being suggested.

Best wishes,(etc.) "



Since writing the above I have learned, from a local delivery man, that the cause of the disturbance was (and still is!) rally fans letting off fireworks.
I am amazed by this information as I sure most REAL rally fans will be. This is a real concern for me not only because I have lost a few hours sleep but, as I indicted in my email, some locals are already unhappy about the (minor, IMO) disruptions to daily life caused by the rally and this kind of behaviour will only antagonise them further and may cause the 'powers that be' to refuse access permission in the future.

So, my plea is - if you are currently a spectator and you are responsible for this stupid behaviour, please desist. Despite what you may think, some of us country folk do have to work and need a good nights sleep.
If nothing else, consider the future of this great sport and try to avoid any actions that may put it at risk.


Dave.

[darkstar]

Sebastien Ogier Crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9vC-HQ8_7W8#t=46s)

not mutch to see...but was rather harmless.

and onboard here: http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-gb-2011-ogier-off-on-stage-1/?vid=2391

[dimviii]

Hi,

I have just registered here in order to make a plea to any fans who may currently be spectators in the Corris area or who plan to attend other venues.

Earlier today I sent the following email message to Stephan Tibbetts ---

" Dear Sir,

I live in the village of Corris Isaf - my house is in the centre of the village.
Last night we were kept awake by a series of loud bangs and, as this persisted well into the early morning (at least 3 am), I eventually got dressed and and went out in order to to see if I could locate the source of this disturbance.
Looking eastwards across the valley, through the trees, I could see a stream of car headlamps moving up the forestry track which leads from Evans Bridge so I assume that this noise was connected with the rally.
Whether this was caused by by the fans or the teams setting up, I do not know but I somehow doubt it was the latter as in the past, when I have acted as a safety/access marshal for various manufacturers teams (Citroen, Subaru etc,) when they have held private testing sessions locally, they always seemed to set up very efficiently and quietly.

Could I suggest you investigate this matter with some urgency.
As a lifelong motorsport fan, I feel it would be sad to see events such as the the Wales Rally GB banned from areas like ours - some local people complain about rally noise during daytime hours (there will always be a few) and to have this kind of disturbance during the night could lead to such a ban being suggested.

Best wishes,(etc.) "



Since writing the above I have learned, from a local delivery man, that the cause of the disturbance was (and still is!) rally fans letting off fireworks.
I am amazed by this information as I sure most REAL rally fans will be. This is a real concern for me not only because I have lost a few hours sleep but, as I indicted in my email, some locals are already unhappy about the (minor, IMO) disruptions to daily life caused by the rally and this kind of behaviour will only antagonise them further and may cause the 'powers that be' to refuse access permission in the future.

So, my plea is - if you are currently a spectator and you are responsible for this stupid behaviour, please desist. Despite what you may think, some of us country folk do have to work and need a good nights sleep.
If nothing else, consider the future of this great sport and try to avoid any actions that may put it at risk.


Dave.

plenty of countries will be happy to steal a wrc event.Don t worry.
People near football stadiums have a problem too,but they don t ask to move it.

[N.O.T]

Please can i have your tears finish nationalists ? Ford girls ? and Loeb haters ?

the bitter they are the better..... i am feeding on them...

they are nice.

[jonkka]

plenty of countries will be happy to steal a wrc event.Don t worry.
People near football stadiums have a problem too,but they don t ask to move it.

Then again, people do choose to live near stadiums but wrc events just come, unannounced.

[N.O.T]

Hi,

I have just registered here in order to make a plea to any fans who may currently be spectators in the Corris area or who plan to attend other venues.

Earlier today I sent the following email message to Stephan Tibbetts ---

" Dear Sir,

I live in the village of Corris Isaf - my house is in the centre of the village.
Last night we were kept awake by a series of loud bangs and, as this persisted well into the early morning (at least 3 am), I eventually got dressed and and went out in order to to see if I could locate the source of this disturbance.
Looking eastwards across the valley, through the trees, I could see a stream of car headlamps moving up the forestry track which leads from Evans Bridge so I assume that this noise was connected with the rally.
Whether this was caused by by the fans or the teams setting up, I do not know but I somehow doubt it was the latter as in the past, when I have acted as a safety/access marshal for various manufacturers teams (Citroen, Subaru etc,) when they have held private testing sessions locally, they always seemed to set up very efficiently and quietly.

Could I suggest you investigate this matter with some urgency.
As a lifelong motorsport fan, I feel it would be sad to see events such as the the Wales Rally GB banned from areas like ours - some local people complain about rally noise during daytime hours (there will always be a few) and to have this kind of disturbance during the night could lead to such a ban being suggested.

Best wishes,(etc.) "



Since writing the above I have learned, from a local delivery man, that the cause of the disturbance was (and still is!) rally fans letting off fireworks.
I am amazed by this information as I sure most REAL rally fans will be. This is a real concern for me not only because I have lost a few hours sleep but, as I indicted in my email, some locals are already unhappy about the (minor, IMO) disruptions to daily life caused by the rally and this kind of behaviour will only antagonise them further and may cause the 'powers that be' to refuse access permission in the future.

So, my plea is - if you are currently a spectator and you are responsible for this stupid behaviour, please desist. Despite what you may think, some of us country folk do have to work and need a good nights sleep.
If nothing else, consider the future of this great sport and try to avoid any actions that may put it at risk.


Dave.

LOL

[GigiGalliNo1]

Is there an hour until next stage start?

[N.O.T]

an hour and 15 mins to be exact

[Langdale Forest]

over an hour, the stage starts at 14:18 (UK time).

[cali]

Please can i have your tears finish nationalists ? Ford girls ? and Loeb haters ?

the bitter they are the better..... i am feeding on them...

they are nice.

For some weeks you seemed to be very reasonable here, but I guess excitement got the better of you ;) You had some very good posts up until yesterday. But now the old N.O.T. is back picking up a controversy again...lol

[N.O.T]

its called payback....and its good.

[denkimi]

For some weeks you seemed to be very reasonable here, but I guess excitement got the better of you ;) You had some very good posts up until yesterday. But now the old N.O.T. is back picking up a controversy again...lol
an extreme fanboy as NOT will never change.

[johunn]

its called payback....and its good.

To be honest I don't really get your payback as you make yourself look like a d***head :) Your joke wasn't funny the first time and you kept repeating it over multiple pages. You might have thought you won but you weren't actually competing with anyone.

[Langdale Forest]

Any news if Hirvonen will be back tomorrow or not?

[bassist]

Any news if Hirvonen will be back tomorrow or not?

Have a look at the thread, Ford pulls out of 2012

[dimviii]

just came back from work.Driving at home i received a mms from Tolis about Mikkos retirement.I feel really sorry for him but was his choice.
When at the whole year you are not brave enough to fight for a win,its impossible to do it properly at last round.Specially when you have Loeb against you.
Loeb fights at EVERY rally for the win.It is something he is used to do not only for this year but for his whole career.The totally different from Mikko.

Another point is about my friend...Quesnel :D
I was screaming for his !@#$% decisions even from 4th rally this year.
he was patronising Ogier against Loeb while Loeb was way higher in points.
Could you imagine if Psa head hadn t try to keep Loeb under Citroen flag?
Quesnel will continue to push Ogier over Loeb,and at last 2 rallies Ogier would have loose a 100% Citroens manufacture championship.He hadn t got even speed,like today.
Ok Ogier is probably the next big driver not only from france but even for wrc.But he is simply not ready enough yet, to take at his shoulders a number 1 at Citroen.
Or if you like, not at the time Citroen could have Loeb.
I really can t remember when was last time Loebs wasn t fast enough to fight for a win.

Tanak is impressive with D-macks.I am sure that with Michelins he would be much more faster.
Nikara also impressive,but always something happens.What was his problem of delay at last stage?
Novikov still comments...'' i want to finish the rally''.Pitty.
Ostberg seems likes the loose surfaces better.

ps just now i saw Ogiers exit video.Clearly driver error.He drove over the kerb at the right corner and tried to correct without success.

[AP-Racing]

Please can i have your tears finish nationalists ? Ford girls ? and Loeb haters ?

the bitter they are the better..... i am feeding on them...

they are nice.

How in Greece? You not hungry? Maybe you want to eat? Or drink? Or you want to sleep in bed? Or need money for buy some clothes and shoes....A you're alive....i can't hear you....how a u....we a' lost you....

[pete c]

Ford Abu Dhabi team principal Malcolm Wilson said: “It’s devastating to go out in an incredible battle with Sebastien Loeb. We will try to fix the car but it does look like there’s too much damage to the engine. I believe the damage is already done, but our main priority is to get him back here and out again tomorrow. It’s a huge disappointment for the whole team after getting back into the championship fight again and then sadly losing it on the first day of the event.”

[N.O.T]

They will try and see if the engine can be healthy once more to restart Hirvonen...

[N.O.T]

How in Greece? You not hungry? Maybe you want to eat? Or drink? Or you want to sleep in bed? Or need money for buy some clothes and shoes....A you're alive....i can't hear you....how a u....we a' lost you....

we need all of the above....but please include your tears as well...

[AP-Racing]

we need all of the above....but please include your tears as well...

My tears? Why? I don't like Mikko Slow'onen :) )) and don't like Ford

[N.O.T]

My tears? Why? I don't like Mikko Slow'onen :) )) and don't like Ford

Nooo ?? damn...

just send 320 billion euros then....

[Rallyper]

Then again, people do choose to live near stadiums but wrc events just come, unannounced.

Yeah, but not twice a week with rumbling people...

[dimviii]

Then again, people do choose to live near stadiums but wrc events just come, unannounced.
Also some people lived somewhere,when they build a stadium much later.I really can t see the problem about a rally in forest for 3 days.
a world championship event at any sport almost always create problems in locals ie traffic,noise etc Are they have to delete all sports,events,exhibitions?

[rubla]

LOL

Whats there to LOL about? D***heads like those fans (and i suspect NOT too?) have done lot of harm to rally internationally. I have been small part of organising team of one local event for 10+ years, and no matter how much we spend on security, there are always few idiots who drink too much and just have to prove to all how big a**holes they can be. Because of that we have lost event sponsors who do not want to be associated with inevitable bad publicity, we have brilliant stages which we can not use because locals do not want those idiots around any more etc etc. I believe any TRUE fan of sport should do everything possible to prevent few idiots to cause trouble because this harms us more than them. Those idiots usually come to event to party and have "fun", even if it means drinking through night and missing all stages during day - rally is secondary for them anyway.

So nothing to LOL about, this is very serious topic indeed.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Where is van Merksteijn?

[Xsara Fan]

SMS from Ford M-Sport:

http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/news-6614.jpg

Job done? Ford pronounced Loeb as a Champion???

[N.O.T]

Whats there to LOL about? D***heads like those fans (and i suspect NOT too?) have done lot of harm to rally internationally. I have been small part of organising team of one local event for 10+ years, and no matter how much we spend on security, there are always few idiots who drink too much and just have to prove to all how big a**holes they can be. Because of that we have lost event sponsors who do not want to be associated with inevitable bad publicity, we have brilliant stages which we can not use because locals do not want those idiots around any more etc etc. I believe any TRUE fan of sport should do everything possible to prevent few idiots to cause trouble because this harms us more than them. Those idiots usually come to event to party and have "fun", even if it means drinking through night and missing all stages during day - rally is secondary for them anyway.

So nothing to LOL about, this is very serious topic indeed.

when it comes to drinking and dissorderly bahaviour in rallies yes its serious and trust me i hate such behaviour far more than the average person, but when it comes to noise levels for 3-4 days its not LOL...its LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[N.O.T]

SMS from Ford M-Sport:

http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/news-6614.jpg

Job done? Ford pronounced Loeb as a Champion???

maybe the damage was too big to do anything....

Lets see the real Latvala now....

[dimviii]

maybe the damage was too big to do anything....

Lets see the real Latvala now....

Real Latvala with cruising Loeb?

[pete c]

do you think Loeb will really race Latvala for the win?
then again he does't even need to finish the event ,so maybe the win would be worth chasing.....

[darkstar]

a win for ford would be at least some consolation money...

[ridder]

Well congratulations on a well deserved win for Loeb. Would have been nicer if the competition was on all the way to the end though. Mikko has had the most incredible season in terms of consistency/luck, first rally where he'll finish worse than 4th this year. He didn't seem to have the speed most of the year, but at least he tried (and got some speed?) now in wales, that's very nice to see.

[N.O.T]

Real Latvala with cruising Loeb?

yes... the real latvala will win the rally against a cruising Loeb....I hope.

[pete c]

I hope for Fords sake that Latvala does win ,they really need something to cheer them up and sign up for next year, or there aint going to be much of a championship

[johunn]

yes... the real latvala will win the rally against a cruising Loeb....I hope.

You do change your mind fast don't you? Just two pages ago you went on about Finnish nationalists, Ford haters and Loeb lovers. Now you've jumped into the same boat. :)

[N.O.T]

You do change your mind fast don't you? Just two pages ago you went on about Finnish nationalists, Ford haters and Loeb lovers. Now you've jumped into the same boat. :)

i have nothing against someone who supports finish drivers....i have a lot against poeple who wished that Loeb would crash for Hirvonen to win a championship that was spoon-fed to him by a team who treated the clearly faster driver like a lap dog.

[Langdale Forest]

Stage has started

[N.O.T]

I hope for Fords sake that Latvala does win ,they really need something to cheer them up and sign up for next year, or there aint going to be much of a championship

Then you should stop watching now because even if latvala wins he will do so against a relaxed Loeb.

[N.O.T]

Loeb 15 seconds slower than this morning....the road must be destroyed or full of mud....

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb 15 seconds slower than this morning....the road must be destroyed or full of mud....

Or realising he dosen't have to push.

[pete c]

So what,at the end of the day the publicity of a Ford win in GB would still be a positive outcome to take into consideration. when deciding
whats going to happen next year

[MikeD]

I have a question regarding Prokop. Has he been switching between Michelin and DMACK through the season? (I seem to remember that he was on DMACK i Sweden, but was that a one-off?)

[Langdale Forest]

Looks like Mikko is out for good.

[N.O.T]

Or realising he dosen't have to push.

latvala 6 seconds faster but still 8 seconds slower than this morning....and 5 seconds slower than his morning time...so conditions are worse.

[darkstar]

I have a question regarding Prokop. Has he been switching between Michelin and DMACK through the season? (I seem to remember that he was on DMACK i Sweden, but was that a one-off?)

i dont know, maybe you mess that up with semerad who was on dmack´s somewhere and was pretty mutch complainig about them. but maybe also prokop was driving them, but i dont remember about that.

[kobefly]

Latvala 5,4secs faster than Loeb on SS8.

[Langdale Forest]

Next stage starts in 2 mins.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Would be nice for JML to finish with a rally win after having so many fastest stages in recent rallies and having to give up places for Mikko ...

[pete c]

14:32 Tweet from @WRCgerardquinn
"Mikko's car arrives back to service. Assessment begins. #wrc"

[MikeD]

i dont know, maybe you mess that up with semerad who was on dmack´s somewhere and was pretty mutch complainig about them. but maybe also prokop was driving them, but i dont remember about that.

Thanks :) - maybe I remembered that one wrong

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen has not been officially retired yet, but the damage is probably too bad to continue.

[Marre]

think its sad to see all rallylovers on this forum fighting all the time. congrats to Loeb.

[Nornbugger]

I think that Malcom has proven on a number of times that he doesn't own a bone of sportsmanship in his body. He would without a doubt pull every possible teamorder to make his paper-champion. You will see this on Sunday if Loeb retires.


Malcolm Wilson has shown he will do all he can to have Ford on the WRC next year, we might not like some methods but I think we should admire the intent.

[darkstar]

Thanks :) - maybe I remembered that one wrong

you´re welcome ;)

[ridder]

I have a question regarding Prokop. Has he been switching between Michelin and DMACK through the season? (I seem to remember that he was on DMACK i Sweden, but was that a one-off?)

You are right, he was on them in Sweden, but gave up on them.

[focus206]

I was cheering for Mikko, but well, congratulations to Loeb, he is clearly the one who most deserve the 2011 title. The only thing - I whished we could have seen a fight between Loeb and Mikko until the end, too bad :(
Probably Mikko pushed too much to keep on Loeb's pace, and he did a fatal mistake, I think he knew before the event that he had to go flat out...
Now let's hope we can see some good fight like Loeb vs Latvala or Ostberg vs Petter.

[dimviii]

Loeb must be not at cruising but in sleep mode.''Suddenly'' Meeke faster than him

[Nornbugger]

Justice is loser's term


its a sportsmans term actually :D

[r199]

and 2nd fastest time on 8 by Meeke

[MikeD]

You are right, he was on them in Sweden, but gave up on them.

Ok, thanks :)

[dimviii]

Malcolm Wilson has shown he will do all he can to have Ford on the WRC next year, we might not like some methods but I think we should admire the intent.
Without Ford in wrc spenting millions,M-sport in few years is going to be a dead business.So of course Malcolm will do his best to keep Ford in wrc.

[Langdale Forest]

No news on Hirvonen yet.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Must see video of yesterdays Great Orme stage... quality edit and really atmospheric:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oANt6c4Fus

[rubla]

when it comes to drinking and dissorderly bahaviour in rallies yes its serious and trust me i hate such behaviour far more than the average person, but when it comes to noise levels for 3-4 days its not LOL...its LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Currently question was about fireworks in nighttime - i would say it is not normal rally-related noise that should be tolerated by locals.

[focus206]

Ostberg seems to be able to keep on the fight with Petter, good :)

[noel157]

Meeke beats Latvala for fastest time. Not bad.......

[darkstar]

stunning times by meeke!

[Nornbugger]

I hope Mikko retires and thus leaves Loeb free to battle with Latvala, Latvala deserves the win but the event and fans deserves a proper battle

[Rallyper]

Currently question was about fireworks in nighttime - i would say it is not normal rally-related noise that should be tolerated by locals.

You should be in Finland then. It´s party from early evening before the stage. And everyone is happy. I think even the natives because they rent out the parking and mobilehomeparkings...

And yes, fireworks are also been used.

[darkstar]

same in germany, especially at galleria dhron...

[MikeD]

I think Mikko actually is retired but that Ford won't tell becasue they want to give Latvala a better chance of winning the event, by making Loeb cruise for as long as possible

[N.O.T]

I think Mikko actually is retired but that Ford won't tell becasue they want to give Latvala a better chance of winning the event, by making Loeb cruise for as long as possible

Loeb will cruise either way....all is lost for ford now.

Next year ...new try...they might have a better chance if they evaluate things differently...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

First fastest time by Meeke on a normal WRC stage (not PS) ... superb !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRCgerardquinn (https://twitter.com/#%21/WRCgerardquinn) Gerard Quinn



Boys progressing with repairs to Mikko's car. 2hr 12min remain on the clock. #wrc (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23wrc) #WalesRallyGB (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WalesRallyGB)

[N.O.T]

WRCgerardquinn (https://twitter.com/#%21/WRCgerardquinn) Gerard Quinn



Boys progressing with repairs to Mikko's car. 2hr 12min remain on the clock. #wrc (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23wrc) #WalesRallyGB (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WalesRallyGB)

do service crews have limited time to repair a car to ready it for super rallying ??? i thought they didn;t have any time limits.....

[pete c]

evaluate their driver line up.....

[pete c]

3 hrs

[darkstar]

if meeke keeps on driving like this he´ll be 5th at least i think.

[Viking]

do service crews have limited time to repair a car to ready it for super rallying ??? i thought they didn;t have any time limits.....

They need to put it in parc ferme in time methinks...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Funny how Tanak is faster then Wilson... And how long has Wilson been driving a WRCar? :D

[pete c]

Isnt everyone faster?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko, the end :(

2844

[GigiGalliNo1]

Isnt everyone faster?

Touché

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko Hirvonen says he remains hopeful of returning to the Rally GB stages tomorrow, despite his early retirement from the event this morning.
The Finn was forced out of the rally after a branch pierced the radiator on his Ford Fiesta RS WRC when he spun on the first run through Dyfnant this morning.
Hirvonen and his car have now returned to the service park in Builth Wells, where the team are inspecting the damage to the front of the #3 machine.
"It's not sure that we can't restart yet," said Hirvonen. "And I would want to go back out tomorrow. It would be good to get back out there and drive again.
"What has happened is, obviously, really disappointing, but let's see what is happening with the car."

[pete c]

15:43 Tweet from @MINImotorsport
"More good news from the #MINI #WRC Team: @DaniSordo can re-enter #RallyGB on Sat. The mechanics did a great job repairing his MINI WRC."

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JML 7.5sec up on SS11 :)

[pete c]

Latvala now only 1.1 behind Loeb

[Rallyper]

So Mikko did just a spin like many of the other drivers, but he got hit by a branch which destroyed his cooler...?

[blissard]

What happened to Ogier and Petter? They both lost a lot of time on the last split.

Edit: Ah, forget it, read wrong.

[pete c]

He told WRC.com: “It was very tricky in the morning and the grip level was changing quite a lot. On one braking [point] it was very slippery and I was too fast into the next corner. There was a big slide and the rear touched the bank. I spun and it pulled the front of the car into a bank where there was a tree stump. The wood came through the radiator. There was no real damage but we lost all the water in the engine. We carried on for five-six kilometres but that was it.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

End of SS11 Loeb: "I'm just taking it easy - at the moment we have to finish the rally..."

[pete c]

16:22 Latvala quickest so far in SS11
Jari-Matti Latvala completes the stage in 12m47.1s: “I was struggling this morning but now in the afternoon I was more relaxed. I tried to push, we had one moment, but it went well. It would be good to get something good for the season.”

[darkstar]

mikko´s off: World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - GB 2011: Hirvonen's title dream in tatters on SS7 (http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/gb-2011-hirvonens-title-dream-in-tatters-on-ss7/?vid=2393&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1)

[dimviii]

So Mikko did just a spin like many of the other drivers, but he got hit by a branch which destroyed his cooler...?

No !Mikko spun as always in every rally at first day,but the 6th time wasn t lucky.

[Nornbugger]

So Mikko did just a spin like many of the other drivers, but he got hit by a branch which destroyed his cooler...?

just watched the clip there, he is lucky didnt do more damage.

Regarding bad luck on rallys, would I be right in thinking McRae retired from '93 GB after puncturing his rad on an over-enthusiastic but deliberate cut?

[bluuford]

Shoot..why they are doing such stages where some drivers have to drive in dark and some have privilege to do it in daylight... And with the fog.. I assume the difference can be veeery huge. A few days ago I had to drive on my country road in a very thick fog and my friend followed me. He asked me if i am completely crazy to drive so fast on such a conditions.. well I drove by my memory, because I have done this road hundreds and hundreds of times.. but on stages you have done couple of times before.. crazy indeed

[Rallyper]

No !Mikko spun as always in every rally at first day,but the 6th time wasn t lucky.

Well, he´s not the only one spinning on stages .... But this time it hurt more than ever.

[Gregor-y]

Sounds like the weather's terrible tonight (or rather perfect for a UK rally). No one being interviewed seems to be liking it.

[tfp]

Well, he´s not the only one spinning on stages .... But this time it hurt more than ever.

Exactly. First major misake of the year from mikko?

[Nornbugger]

Shoot..why they are doing such stages where some drivers have to drive in dark and some have privilege to do it in daylight... And with the fog.. I assume the difference can be veeery huge. A few days ago I had to drive on my country road in a very thick fog and my friend followed me. He asked me if i am completely crazy to drive so fast on such a conditions.. well I drove by my memory, because I have done this road hundreds and hundreds of times.. but on stages you have done couple of times before.. crazy indeed


Fog is random and cant be planned for(on coming trafic on your local road also random, you were IMO silly and lucky..)

Also in UK at the moment there is limited daylight hours, unrealistic to try and not have cars run in poor light

Well done to Loeb, hopefully he pushes on a bit tomorrow

[Nornbugger]

Exactly. First major misake of the year from mikko?

'If you're not crashing you're not trying' said over 30years ago by Stuart Turner I believe?

[bluuford]

Fog is random and cant be planned for(on coming trafic on your local road also random, you were IMO silly and lucky..)

Also in UK at the moment there is limited daylight hours, unrealistic to try and not have cars run in poor light

I just wanted to say that it would have been good idea to start the stage maybe half hour later. Then everybody have the darkness and more similar conditions. Fog during the daylight is not as bad as it is during the night. The fog and darkness and GB, those words belong togehter in my mind. But coctail where you give daylight to some drivers and darkness to the others should be avoided in the future.

[BDunnell]

Shoot..why they are doing such stages where some drivers have to drive in dark and some have privilege to do it in daylight...

It's always been the way in rallying, and it always should be.

[wildsir]

It's always been the way in rallying, and it always should be.

No for priority one drivers. Would it happen in any other form of Motorsport?

[rp]

One of the biggest surprise! Molly Taylor fastest WRC Academy driver on the last SS. 0,7 seconds faster than Breen...

[ridder]

One of the biggest surprise! Molly Taylor fastest WRC Academy driver on the last SS. 0,7 seconds faster than Breen...

Looks like she's had quite good pace whole day today, any idea about the 4 mins time loss yesterday?

[Bobcat]

Ford WRC: "Crushingly disappointing morning for Mikko/Jarmo, but there's a chink of light - looks promising they will be able to continue tomorrow :-)"

Twitter / @FordWRC: Crushingly disappointing m ... (http://twitter.com/#!/FordWRC/status/135005665692364800)

[Josti]

Well, Autosport confirms Hirvonen is out, period.

Sebastien Loeb clinches eighth World Rally title as Mikko Hirvonen retires from Rally GB - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96110)

[Barreis]

Must say that I'm happy.
Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/WRCgerardquinn)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Please can i have your tears finish nationalists ? Ford girls ? and Loeb haters ?

the bitter they are the better..... i am feeding on them...

they are nice.

Men in Finland don´t cry or have tears. We have KOSSU and KIRVES. Then we drink, beat our family or foreigners and then maybe kill our self. But we don´t cry.

[COD]

Exactly. First major misake of the year from mikko?

First time he was on the pace, but it was just too much for his skills

[Zeakiwi]

Men in Finland don´t cry or have tears. We have KOSSU and KIRVES. Then we drink, beat our family or foreigners and then maybe kill our self. But we don´t cry.

Time for the Finlandia for the Hirvonen Fan Club.

Finlandia Vodka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandia_Vodka)

[bluuford]

Mikko is now officially out from the rally..

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_0a71861e0e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_f1ec93d07a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_6b39248b99.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_fd5cea7ad3.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_32554f0647.jpg

More photos from rainy Friday HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=955&fseason=2011)

[bluuford]

It's always been the way in rallying, and it always should be.

It does not happen often that I think you are wrong, but now it happened ;-) It is not correct that lets say first 5-6 cars according to their strating position from the first day can enjoy daylight with fog and cars behind them fall into darkness with fog. Gaps in top 10 change too drastically without any proper reason. That is normal that non priority drivers often have to finish in darkness but when the cars, lets say P1 and P2, who are actually fighting for the positions in top 10 are having diffrent conditions just because stage was started a few minutes too early. It can be avoided easily.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Time for the Finlandia for the Hirvonen Fan Club.

Finlandia Vodka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandia_Vodka)

Yes we will listen Murheellisten laulujen maa or real FINLANDIA by SIBELIUS and drink...

[Wasted Talent]

It does not happen often that I think you are wrong, but now it happened ;-) It is not correct that lets say first 5-6 cars according to their strating position from the first day can enjoy daylight with fog and cars behind them fall into darkness with fog. Gaps in top 10 change too drastically without any proper reason. That is normal that non priority drivers often have to finish in darkness but when the cars, lets say P1 and P2, who are actually fighting for the positions in top 10 are having diffrent conditions just because stage was started a few minutes too early. It can be avoided easily.

Agree completely - for two days Meeke has had to do the final stage in the twilight compared to the cars in front of him having daylight. Driving in twilight is much worse than daylight or full darkness.........

WT

[Rallyper]

I just had to listen to "Murheellisten laulaja maa" with Eppu Normaali on Spotify. I understand your feelings....

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

I just had to listen to "Murheellisten laulaja maa" with Eppu Normaali on Spotify. I understand your feelings....

It is our unofficial national song......thanks our länsi naapuri.

[Rallyper]

It is our unofficial national song......thanks our länsi naapuri.

Minää rakastan Suomi.

[rp]

Jarkko Nikara is not able to continue the rally. He drove out on the last stage about 4 km from the finish. On the last split Nikara was 23,8 seconds quicker than Patrik Flodin, but unfortunately to finish first you have to finish...

[N.O.T]

Men in Finland don´t cry or have tears. We have KOSSU and KIRVES. Then we drink, beat our family or foreigners and then maybe kill our self. But we don´t cry.

i like this reply :) shows good spirit of the North...

[Barreis]

Hope for good fight tommorrow.

[gregwrc]

History repeats itself ..... one or both title contenders in Wales not ends .... 1998 Sainz-Makkinen, 2001 McRae ... To see the Frenchman will finish ....???

Goooo Jari for the victory !!!!

[whereschris]

Yes, go for it Jari Matti! I was on Dyfi East today and he was looking great. Great news for Loeb and though it would be nice to see something different in terms of the championship I think he is the most deserving winner this year.

[Barreis]

Go Loeb.

[bassist]

Be nice to see a straight battle between Seb and Jari- we may see the true pace of them both!

[Barreis]

If Loeb doesn't drink right now.

[dimviii]

prophetic photo?
2011 WRC Wales Rally GB - Day 2 | Flickr*: partage de photos*! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/6333917533)

[N.O.T]

Be nice to see a straight battle between Seb and Jari- we may see the true pace of them both!

My guess is they are going to have a nice battle but without any risks...everything is decided and all professional drivers right now think of the vacation that follows rather than winning this event...

[tfp]

My guess is they are going to have a nice battle but without any risks...everything is decided and all professional drivers right now think of the vacation that follows rather than winning this event...

Not jari matti :D

Loeb won GB last year just for the sake of winning it, I think he'll probably try and do that again.

[PLuto]

Few new pictures from Wales Rally GB - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12990)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/4dccc30d02b15edece01d3e772bc117b.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/400364b8b415182d733329f0f233767e.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/983db13fd3198127cf57dc8552c73c06.jpg

[Bobcat]

Ford WRC photos: Wales Rally GB - 2011 | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.314942621852598.92540.157932864220242&type=1)

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374589_315035798509947_157932864220242_1430770_169 6144703_n.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Meeke wouldn't be complaining if he were driving faster but he's being slow. So he shouldn't winge about dusk! Hah

[zephyr]

Interview with Loeb.
What is important is:
"Qu'avez-vous pensé des performances d'Hirvonen depuis le début de ce rallye ?
S. L. : Il a été là, et même surprenant de vitesse, alors qu'il était régulièrement dominé par Latvala cette saison. Ça fera un bel équipier l'an prochain, et une belle bagarre interne. "


Loeb confirms that Hirvonen is coming to CitroËn next year.
Loeb : Ça fait bizarre - Rallye de Grande Bretagne 2011 - Wrc - Eurosport (http://www.eurosport.fr/rallye/rallye-de-grande-bretagne/2011/wrc-grande-bretagne_sto3024705/story.shtml)

[Barreis]

RallyPulse - Rally Videos, WRC, IRC, ERC Championships (http://www.rallypulse.com/)