Rally Sweden 2012

[Hartusvuori]

I must have missed something: Where is Atkinsson? No sign of him on start list.

[Plan9]

I was going to say the same about Ramona. I am surprised she isn't doing Sweden.

[HarriK]

He caught him, and he wont be happy!

No he don't... look start list.. Mikkelssen had 4min cap to previous.

[Viking]

Also Brynildsen deserves an :up:

Did not expect him to be in front of Henning and Ketomaa after his first stages in wrc car.

[EavesFan09]

Also Brynildsen deserves an :up:

Did not expect him to be in front of Henning and Ketomaa after his first stages in wrc car.

Was very close between him and Sandell in the end. All the attention will be on the 0.1 between Hirvonen and JML but 0.4 is also pretty close.

[J.Lindstroem]

ss3 is on!

[EavesFan09]

35.6 (S1) and 3:28.8 (S2) for Neuville and P van Merksteijn 0.4 down (35.10??) on Thierry on S1.

[Mirek]

No he don't... look start list.. Mikkelssen had 4min cap to previous.

Yep, exactly. They knew what could happen and gave him safe gap. 4 minutes are more than enough.

[EavesFan09]

Araujo looks strong. Up 9.1 on Neuville through split 3 and up 11.2 on Neuville through split 4.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen lost quite a lot of time on final part of stage compared to other S2000 drivers, is this due only to his spin?

[wwbroe]

Very poor time for Nasser, saying he has to learn the car.

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen lost quite a lot of time on final part of stage compared to other S2000 drivers, is this due only to his spin?
I think they said he lost his front bumper aswell, but I'm not sure.

[A FONDO]

D. Oliveira is kicking asses in class 3 ! :D

[EavesFan09]

Not getting Ketomma on WRC Radio.

[EavesFan09]

Prokop looking strong. A stonking 13.5 faster than Neuville through split 3 and 28.3 on Al Attiyah.

[N.O.T]

Nice...splits !!!

[EavesFan09]

Novikov looking good too. Just 0.2 down on the Solberg's through split 1 and seems to be the 2nd fastest through split 3.

[Mintexmemory]

Early days I know, but I had expected more from Ketomaa. Sordo showing very well at the moment, despite all the BS politics.

[wwbroe]

JML about 3 sec slower as Petter at second split!!

[EavesFan09]

JML about 3 sec slower as Petter at second split!!

Slower even than Novikov.

[wwbroe]

Guys at WRR doing a great job sofar, pitty Colin isn't there, but not bad at all. :D

[ridder]

muhaha petter mixing norwegian, swedish and english in same sentence :)

[EavesFan09]

Guys at WRR doing a great job sofar, pitty Colin isn't there, but not bad at all. :D

Pity the split times on wrc.com doesn't seem to work. There is a lot of split times and completion times I don't have. Like Loeb. He is still yet to go through split three on wrc.com. When I click on Split Times it goes straight to SS4.

[Langdale Forest]

WRR is not working.

Impressive start for Otsberg.

[nr7wave]

muhaha petter mixing norwegian, swedish and english in same sentence :)
He is in a very good mood :) Looks promising for this weekend.

[A FONDO]

My video from shakedown :)

WRC Swedish Rally Shakedown 2012 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/36503511)
Hey fella, this deserves special attention! One of the best clips I watched from YEARS! (and I watch a lot). Top video/audio quality; keeping on cars long after they pass; good choice of a corner - fast but tricky; and hopefully no drunk *******s yelling around or blowing horns!

[wwbroe]

Seb is charging, let's see if he can take some time back.

[Mirek]

Pity the split times on wrc.com doesn't seem to work. There is a lot of split times and completion times I don't have. Like Loeb. He is still yet to go through split three on wrc.com. When I click on Split Times it goes straight to SS4.

It's working, You just need to switch stage in the small rolling menu bellow Swedish flag. Everytime next stage is on it automatically switches to the new one but You can manually change it to another. Than refreshing keeps Your choice.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen 7 seconds slower than Ogier on ss2...

[andyone]

mads ostberg is here to win it. and it is scary for the guys. coz the dude can glide on snow..

[EavesFan09]

Latvala (10:46.0) and P.Solberg (10:46.5) separated by just 0.5 according to wrc.com.

Hirvonen way down on them.

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen 7 seconds slower than Ogier on ss2...

That's with a spin though - he was 13s up at the final split

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen 7 seconds slower than Ogier on ss2...

He had a spin plus lost front bumper I think.

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen 7 seconds slower than Ogier on ss2...
With a huge spin at the end after the last split. He was more than 11s quicker than PG on the last split. PG was 2.5s qucker than Oigier in the end. So mikkelsen is probably a bit too eager and a bit too much on the limit.

[Mirek]

Alister McRae?

[cali]

Neuville with a very good time in ss4

[wwbroe]

Seems like a very good time for Neuville on the short stage, beating even Sordo??

[Langdale Forest]

What happend to Ott Tanak?

[A.F.F.]

Good morning guys :wave:

I'm a little bit late but the fortunately rally Sweden is well and raging :D

[Miika]

Petter did a donut in the stage or?

EDIT: A spin then.

[wwbroe]

What happend to Ott Tanak?

He went off on SS2 after one KM and got stuck, took about 10 minutes to get out.

[RS]

PGA is always seriously impressive in Sweden. I'm sure he'd be battling for the win in a top WRCar. He even leads the S2000 class with a Proton!

[wwbroe]

Petter lost quite some time with his spin

[Viking]

Petter lost quite some time with his spin

15sec he said...

[wwbroe]

What happened with Haydon Paddon on stage 3, he lost 7,5 minutes???

[A.F.F.]

Ketomaa just taking easy or Dmacks suck ??

[Mintexmemory]

What happend to Ott Tanak?
stuck in snow on SS2

[Miika]

A strange stage with Neuville still the quickest one.

[Mintexmemory]

Ketomaa just taking easy or Dmacks suck ??

Tanak appears to be on a better pace (when not stuck) so I don't think the tyres are to blame

[mm1]

Tanak is not on D macks.

[ridder]

Tanak is on michelin

[wwbroe]

Tanak appears to be on a better pace (when not stuck) so I don't think the tyres are to blame

But he is not on D_Mack's, is he??

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen now 0.6 off Latvala....

Ostberg not a good start.

[rage82]

Tanak appears to be on a better pace (when not stuck) so I don't think the tyres are to blame

Tanak is on Michelins!

[Mintexmemory]

Woop's my mistake - I thought he was contracted!!! So is Ketomaa the only WRC driver on D-Macks?

[cali]

Tanak appears to be on a better pace (when not stuck) so I don't think the tyres are to blame
Ott is using Michelins

[RS]

Woop's my mistake - I thought he was contracted!!! So is Ketomaa the only WRC driver on D-Macks?

And Brynildsen I think.

[Viking]

Ketomaa just taking easy or Dmacks suck ??

Tires is good he said on Swedish RR, but their name is all over the side of his car so...

[ridder]

On a stage where you don't need confidence at high speed Neuville clocks 3rd time.
At the same time Ogier is scoring 3rd-4th times in S2000 class.
Maybe the huge difference between IRC and WRC isn't really there.

[wwbroe]

Anyone has a clue what happened with Alistair McRae?

[A.F.F.]

Tires is good he said on Swedish RR, but their name is all over the side of his car so...

Exactly... Ketomaa won't blame the tyres as long they make his driving possible. But it might be he wants to stay on the road the first day and driving awfully slow?

[N.O.T]

On a stage where you don't need confidence at high speed Neuville clocks 3rd time.
At the same time Ogier is scoring 3rd-4th times in S2000 class.
Maybe the huge difference between IRC and WRC isn't really there.

maybe the guys infront of ogier are specialists....maybe...

The Ladycup champion is still trailing him though....

[N.O.T]

Exactly... Ketomaa won't blame the tyres as long they make his driving possible. But it might be he wants to stay on the road the first day and driving awfully slow?

Its the tyres...

[Mirek]

On a stage where you don't need confidence at high speed Neuville clocks 3rd time.
At the same time Ogier is scoring 3rd-4th times in S2000 class.
Maybe the huge difference between IRC and WRC isn't really there.

Neuville never drove a snow rally I think so he must gain some experience in high speed. Better to start safely than to crash in first stage.

[Mintexmemory]

On a stage where you don't need confidence at high speed Neuville clocks 3rd time.
At the same time Ogier is scoring 3rd-4th times in S2000 class.
Maybe the huge difference between IRC and WRC isn't really there.

Actually - on a stage where Citroen clearly have some advantage he was slower than the main team - as would be expected ;)

[Bartek]

Anyone has a clue what happened with Alistair McRae?

Out of the road said Tidemand

Paddon was in snowbank

[wwbroe]

maybe the guys infront of ogier are specialists....maybe...

The Ladycup champion is still trailing him though....

Mikkelsen is obviously faster as Ogier on the real "man" stages, where speed does matter. In the forest stages he is clearly faster as Seb, only on a slow technical stage, like this last one he might be a bit slower. :D

[ridder]

Actually - on a stage where Citroen clearly have some advantage he was slower than the main team - as would be expected ;)

Well Al Attiyah was also slower than the main team, yet there's some difference :)

Agree that on a "safe" stage like this it's much easier to push than at high speed in the forest.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen is obviously faster as Ogier on the real "man" stages, where speed does matter. In the forest stages he is clearly faster as Seb, only on a slow technical stage, like this last one he might be a bit slower. :D

LoooooooooooL

[Bartek]

Very good relation from WRR so far :) Araujo did something wrong because he lost much on last split

[Viking]

maybe the guys infront of ogier are specialists....maybe...

The Ladycup champion is still trailing him though....

Was not Ogier 4th here last year, well in front of Petter??

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen slower once more...

maybe he had another huge spin...maybe....

[N.O.T]

Was not Ogier 4th here last year, well in front of Petter??

errr...yes...but what is the point then ?

[pettersolberg29]

You're just bizarre NOT! Mikkelsen is only 4s behind Ogier despite losing 15s with a spin. Ogier is one of the very best drivers in the world. What more did you expect from Andreas??

[RS]

Mikkelsen slower once more...

maybe he had another huge spin...maybe....

Yes. I can see that after 4 stages Andreas is 4.4s behind Ogier.

VW should forget about him straight away, useless.

[Francis44]

Mikkelsen is nowhere near Ogier as a driver, atleast now.

[Langdale Forest]

Ogier is makeing Araujo look like a sick dog, Kris Meeke could probably do better than Araujo.

[EavesFan09]

JML actually slower than Neuville through the first split.

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen slower once more...

maybe he had another huge spin...maybe....

20 stages to go and the difference between them is 4 seconds...

[ridder]

On SS2 Mikkelsen was 10 seconds ahead of Andersson (who was 2 secs faster than Ogier) on last split, then in the end he was 10 secs behind. When he himself says it was a spin it's quite likely.
On SS3 Mikkelesen was 5 secs faster than Ogier even though as he now said he caught another car by the end (most probably Paddon). This can also be seen on the splits (he was faster than PG up until that point, then a bit slower).

If there's anything here that's laughable it's NOT. When he's right then he smacks it in everyones face, when he's wrong... well obviously in his mind he's never wrong.

I shouldn't click on the "view post" when I have him on the ignore list though, won't do that again.

[Coach 2]

Have you not Rally Radio.
He (Mikkelsen) said he had a spin on ss2 and the overtook a car on SS3.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen on a charge now, about 3 sec faster as JML on split 3.

[Langdale Forest]

I can't belive people used to call Hirvonen Slowvonen, he is much better than Wilson or Araujo.

[Bartek]

Good driving by Sordo so far , Petter is only 0,5 second quicker than Dani. Sordo deserve to driving in wrc

[Viking]

On SS2 Mikkelsen was 10 seconds ahead of Andersson (who was 2 secs faster than Ogier) on last split, then in the end he was 10 secs behind. When he himself says it was a spin it's quite likely.
On SS3 Mikkelesen was 5 secs faster than Ogier even though as he now said he caught another car by the end (most probably Paddon). This can also be seen on the splits (he was faster than PG up until that point, then a bit slower).

If there's anything here that's laughable it's NOT. When he's right then he smacks it in everyones face, when he's wrong... well obviously in his mind he's never wrong.

I shouldn't click on the "view post" when I have him on the ignore list though, won't do that again.

Don't feed the trolls ;)

[A.F.F.]

I can't belive people used to call Hirvonen Slowvonen, he is much better than Wilson or Araujo.

:laugh:

Wait a minute... that was a joke right?

[ridder]

In Sweden and Norway Hirvonen has always been very fast, even beaten Gronholm as his teammate, so no surprises there. Even in 2010 where he was slowest of the factories+PS he still won in Sweden.

[Halvis]

Hi all, interesting close rally!

One question, starting order tomorrow, same as earlier, first overall starts first or are there changes there also?

[wwbroe]

No third split for PG ??

[nr7wave]

Hi all, interesting close rally!

One question, starting order tomorrow, same as earlier, first overall starts first or are there changes there also?

I think it is reverse order for places 1-10, so number 10 starts first.

[rage82]

Hi all, interesting close rally!


One question, starting order tomorrow, same as earlier, first overall starts first or are there changes there also?
Tomorrow they will start in reverse order

[Viking]

Hi all, interesting close rally!

One question, starting order tomorrow, same as earlier, first overall starts first or are there changes there also?

P1 and P2 drivers reverced, will be almost like today.... sort of :)

[Halvis]

I think it is reverse order for places 1-10, so number 10 starts first.

OK, thanks - much better :)

[A.F.F.]

I'm hugely disappointed of Ketomaa at this point. I hope he has just cruised this morning. :mark:

[Viking]

OK, thanks - much better :)

45.4.2 P1 and P2 drivers
On gravel rallies, P1 and P2 drivers will restart as a merged group in reverse order according to their
provisional overall classification.

[DonJippo]

I'm hugely disappointed of Ketomaa at this point. I hope he has just cruised this morning. :mark:

Obviously it's down to tires he is using, Brynildsen was complaining about the lack of traction and he is on D-Mack's as well.

[N.O.T]

:laugh:

Wait a minute... that was a joke right?

he is from the "post random stuff while not at school" league so i think he is serious...

Hirvonen takes the Lead...like a boss.

Hard to dethrone him now...Latvala has to push to the max and that usually leads to bad results...

I hope if Loeb is second that Hirvonen is allowed to win... it would be a great boost for him in only his second event with the car.

About Ogier vs the Ladycup champion still a lot to see here...but some people were claiming that Ogier will follow him in this rally all the time...lets see...

[N.O.T]

I'm hugely disappointed of Ketomaa at this point. I hope he has just cruised this morning. :mark:

Its the tyres... nothing he can do about...

a drive is better than no drive but only if you have no expectations for a career...

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen quicker than Ogier on ss5 too

[Langdale Forest]

About Ogier vs the Ladycup champion still a lot to see here...but some people were claiming that Ogier will follow him in this rally all the time...lets see...

Who is the ladycup champion?

[DonJippo]

Who is the ladycup champion?

Ladycup = IRC

[Viking]

About Ogier vs the Ladycup champion still a lot to see here...but some people were claiming that Ogier will follow him in this rally all the time...lets see...

Well I did not say that, I say the same as Mikkelsen "Ogier is one of the best drivers in the world, maybe the best, and a good messure" ;)

[wwbroe]

"Ladycup" champion again faster as the so called next best rallydriver in the world. Not so bad for somebody coming out of second class championship. :D :rotflmao: :D

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen quicker than Ogier on ss5 too

still chasing though in his home rally... tommorow it will be harder for him because Ogier has more experience on swedish roads and has better notes..i stick with my prediction, if they do not go off or hit trouble Mikkelsen will be behind at the end...he is the lesser driver coming from lesser competition.

[dimviii]

still chasing though in his home rally... tommorow it will be harder for him because Ogier has more experience on swedish roads and has better notes..i stick with my prediction, if they do not go off or hit trouble Mikkelsen will be behind at the end...he is the lesser driver coming from lesser competition.

predict the opposite,and i ve said that some month ago.Ogier is going to have very strong competition from Mikkelsen this year

[A.F.F.]

Obviously it's down to tires he is using, Brynildsen was complaining about the lack of traction and he is on D-Mack's as well.

But Ketomaa is behind Brynildsen. That is no good :down:

[A.F.F.]

Its the tyres... nothing he can do about...

a drive is better than no drive but only if you have no expectations for a career...

That is exactly what I'm afraid of. Well, we can hope Dmacks work better on gravel :up:

[HarriK]

I'm hugely disappointed of Ketomaa at this point. I hope he has just cruised this morning. :mark:

me too... but it's the tires a little bit, but he need to be faster than brynildsen who has same tyres...

[Langdale Forest]

Which day does the rally go into Norway?

[Elkoorps]

Which day does the rally go into Norway?

Today, SS2 is mostly in Norway but starts in Sweden, and SS3-8 are 100% in Norway.

[Kielder]

I've forgotten until now check the Goransson's web. Its onboard is broadcasting live (as it was announced), I suppose only in Sweden. Here is the link: Richard Göransson (http://www.richardgoransson.com/)

[DonJippo]

But Ketomaa is behind Brynildsen. That is no good :down:

You don't judge marathon runner after first 100meters do you?

[A.F.F.]

You don't judge marathon runner after first 100meters do you?

I run my half-marathons max attacks right from the start. I expect Ketomaa to do the same :D

[Martin Luijk]

Did anyone noticed that wining the qualifying stage isn't a big advantage towards being 2nd of 3rd. Actually, being 2nd, 3rd or 4th is much better. For example, Latvala still have 15 cars in front but Hirvonen is having a road cleaned by Latvala. And what about the tactics at the end of the day, Latvala don't have any chance, Hirvonen and Loeb can let him clean the roads on the second day.

[N.O.T]

Did anyone noticed that wining the qualifying stage isn't a big advantage towards being 2nd of 3rd. Actually, being 2nd, 3rd or 4th is much better. For example, Latvala still have 15 cars in front but Hirvonen is having a road cleaned by Latvala. And what about the tactics at the end of the day, Latvala don't have any chance, Hirvonen and Loeb can let him clean the roads on the second day.

second day they run in reverse order...

[N.O.T]

2nd loop started.

[Mintexmemory]

You don't judge marathon runner after first 100meters do you?
Depends if they fall over 3 times!

[Iskald]

But Ketomaa is behind Brynildsen. That is no good :down:

But its good for Brynildsen, who has so far done impressively good, IMO...

[Coach 2]

But its good for Brynildsen, who has so far done impressively good, IMO...

Must say I agree, this is far better than I hoped for too.

[dimviii]

Araujo -15sec from 1st pass

Ogier -20 sec

[Doon]

Does the Finnskogen stage got anything to do with Rally Finnkog? Seems strange that there was a rally there last week which WRC drivers entered.....

[A.F.F.]

KETOMAA J. / STENBERG M. (st. č. 16) "Some places was grip better, but some not." / "Místy byla dobrá přilnavost, ale místy ne." from Výsledky Rallye: Výsledky on-line (http://vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=24&filtr=)

So, diplomaticly speaking.... tyres won't work at all :mark:

[Coach 2]

Finnforest is a fairly large forest area in Norway where you can create a rally with n/ km of stages.

[nr7wave]

Does the Finnskogen stage got anything to do with Rally Finnkog? Seems strange that there was a rally there last week which WRC drivers entered.....
It's in the same area, but not the same stage as any of the stages in Rally Finnskog 2012.

[Miika]

Again have to say thumbs up for Novikov, going right up there with the big boys in this one.

[Iskald]

Its a pity they have to do that ****ty little stage by the river again (SS 4/7). Its nothing like the rest of the stages, a very narrow, twisty and slow stage on a constructed tractorpath along the river and the big floodbanks. Good for collecting a lot of spectators in one place, but as a rally stage its useless. Neuville did good though, first time through...

[ridder]

Again have to say thumbs up for Novikov, going right up there with the big boys in this one.

Quite a change from Novikov of last year, even more from the one 2 years back. Fast and... reliable?!

[Mintexmemory]

Quite a change from Novikov of last year, even more from the one 2 years back. Fast and... reliable?!


The work of Denis Giraudet cannot be under-estimated here. He appears not to be just co-driver but also performance coach as well.

[Miika]

I guess the angry bear has woken -> Loeb fastest by a clear margin on this one.

[dimviii]

Loeb is flying

[focus206]

Just 0.4s now between Hirvonen and Latvala :)

[mm1]

Loeb is amaizing, I think this stage was again a showcase how to do it. Perfect.

[Iskald]

Does the Finnskogen stage got anything to do with Rally Finnkog? Seems strange that there was a rally there last week which WRC drivers entered.....

Its and old classic from the Finnskog Rally, but it was of course not used this year. It used to be called Frysjoen. Very technical and good stage. I went off there codriving Stian Engh in a Celica 185 some years ago. There was only one spectator at the spot, an older bloke standing beside his small bonfire with the radio on. He was completely alone in the forest, and told us that this was his regular spot and that we were the first to go off in this corner in 15 years or so!

[Coach 2]

Quite a change from Novikov of last year, even more from the one 2 years back. Fast and... reliable?!
He has always had the speed, if he get consistent, he will be massively dangerous.
Very impressive in Monte, too.

[ridder]

The 5-way fight for the top seems to have changed to just a 3-way one, pity.

[Coach 2]

Loeb is amaizing, I think this stage was again a showcase how to do it. Perfect.

Hell, he's good.

[nr7wave]

Brynhildsen is much quicker than Ketomaa with the same tires.

[mm1]

Maybe some of this is down to starting position, can`t explain why Jarri is so slow, that`s not him...

[N.O.T]

Loeb is crazy...

[Rallyper]

Good morning boys. Having been sleeping after nightshift waking up to the RS isn´t bad...

Very exciting morning!

So what about Pontus Tidemand´s performance so far?

[kobefly]

Overall till SS6
1) Hirvonen (Citroen) 54:53.6
2) Latvala (Ford) +0.4
3) Loeb (Citroen) +6.9
4) Ostberg (Ford) +13.5
5) Solberg, P. (Ford) +16.2
6) Sordo (Mini) +25.6
7) Novikov (Ford) +30.6
8) Sandell (Mini) +1:15.9
9) Solberg, H. (Ford) +1:19.3
10) Brynildsen (Ford) +1:37.2

[A FONDO]

The 5-way fight for the top seems to have changed to just a 3-way one, pity.
Ostberg gently mentioned his Fiesta is worse prepared than the others.... how stupid Wilson is, Mads is the only Ford driver who can beat Loeb and Hirvonen but he prefers to save few bucks !

[Doon]

Looks like the Mini team will be picking up many many points for the manufactures title this year, haha!!! Whoever decided to nominate those 2 clowns for points needs to be psychoanalysed. The are both utterly sh*t.

[ridder]

Ostberg gently mentioned his Fiesta is worse prepared than the others.... how stupid Wilson is, Mads is the only Ford driver who can beat Loeb and Hirvonen but he prefers to save few bucks !

I don't think so.
First he said himself earlier this year that the Fiesta he has now is much different from last year.
Second he was also quite slow on this stage in the morning, while fast at others.
Maybe this one just doesn't suit him.

[Doon]

Ostberg gently mentioned his Fiesta is worse prepared than the others.... how stupid Wilson is, Mads is the only Ford driver who can beat Loeb and Hirvonen but he prefers to save few bucks !

Or how stupid is Ostberg to pay to drive a car he knows he can't win in?

[N.O.T]

what is wrong with Solberg ?? the ford is not powerful enough ?? not enough testing ?? too many worries getting sponsors ?? maybe he wants to learn the car ??

Ladycup champ is going to pass ogier after this one..

[nr7wave]

Mikkelsen is 7,9s quicker than Oigier on SS6 and now the fastest S2000 overall :)

[N.O.T]

game over for Ketomaa... no hope, back in village events for him...pity.

[Iskald]

what is wrong with Solberg ?? the ford is not powerful enough ?? not enough testing ?? too many worries getting sponsors ?? maybe he wants to learn the car ??

Ladycup champ is going to pass ogier after this one..

Solberg is not complaining, is he?
Ladycup champ just thrashed Ogier on SS6, but surely he isnt good enough for you N.O.T, our shining and guiding light in world rallying...

[Viking]

what is wrong with Solberg ?? the ford is not powerful enough ?? not enough testing ?? too many worries getting sponsors ?? maybe he wants to learn the car ??



16sec after leader including 12-15 sec spin, not to bad....

[N.O.T]

Solberg 0.4 faster than Ogier ..... hmmmm

[N.O.T]

16sec after leader including 12-15 sec spin, not to bad....

add the 10 sec penalty to Loeb and he is 20 seconds off the pace ....with half a day of rallying.

[ZequeArgentina]

Battle at Class 2 (not used to call them that way) is great:
Mikkelssen, Ogier, PG, Tiedemand >all really at same pace

[Doon]

Solberg is not complaining, is he?
Ladycup champ just thrashed Ogier on SS6, but surely he isnt good enough for you N.O.T, our shining and guiding light in world rallying...

I Ogier bothered? Probably not. He's the master, and the apprentice is probably trying harder. Got to let the Scandinavians win a stage or 2 in each class, otherwise it would be boring with the French chaps winning every stage ;)

[Miika]

Ouch, Loeb in trouble? And Novikov climbing up on the leaderboard if he continues like this.

[focus206]

Loeb in trouble?

[nr7wave]

Loeb lost almost 2 min. on first split! Puncture?

[N.O.T]

Loeb loses 2 mins !!!!!

[Doon]

game over for Ketomaa... no hope, back in village events for him...pity.

I think the solberg brothers might be joining him next year. GO FAST, really Henning?

[EightGear]

Shame for the rally and Loeb, but probably good for the championship.

[A FONDO]

Solberg is not complaining, is he?
he will soon start doing it, trust me ;)

I thought motorsport fans are smarter than football dumbheads and can see beyond patriotic prejudice...

[Viking]

Ahh, Loeb still N.O.T snowmaster...

[Martin Luijk]

What's wrong with that second corner? A few drivers made a mistake in that corner. But Loeb lost the rally in that corner.

[focus206]

I don't see the time of Mikko :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

he will soon start doing it, trust me ;)

I thought motorsport fans are smarter than football dumbheads and can see beyond patriotic prejudice...

I don't understand what people want from Petter? No-one thinks he's the world's fastest driver, but he's still easily in the top 5 drivers in the world and therefore he deserves a works seat. It's hardly a surprise he's not as fast as JML and Mikko on snow - wait until we hit gravel and tarmac and Petter will be much more equal to them I'm sure.

[N.O.T]

Lets see how far Loeb can climb now...4th 5th ?? Mikko now has to win and he will lead the championship :)

[Rallyper]

Or how stupid is Ostberg to pay to drive a car he knows he can't win in?

So which car can you both pay and win in?

[EightGear]

So which car can you both pay and win in?

Red Bull RB7 probably.

[Coach 2]

Lets see how far Loeb can climb now...4th 5th ?? Mikko now has to win and he will lead the championship :)

He tried everything hard, apparently. As I have mentioned previously, he apparently can not spell. Good to see that he is not invincible.

However, very sorry for him.

[Hartusvuori]

Nice spirit here... Keep 'em coming!

Oh wait! I'm complaining too.

[Viking]

Lets see how far Loeb can climb now...4th 5th ?? :)

His problem now is that "Loeb-rule" will give him worce starting position tomorrow :)

[Iskald]

Surprise of the rally so far: Brynildsen! Fifth fastest on this stage.
Mads would have been very close to Hirvonen/Latvala without having the brakelights and snowdust from Loeb in his sights through the whole stage...

[N.O.T]

His problem now is that "Loeb-rule" will give him worce starting position tomorrow :)

hmmm...i think he is going to be ale to climb up to 8th - 7th sohe is going to have 2-3 cars infront...not that bad.

Can Solberg finish ahead of Loeb by the end of the rally ?? what do you reckon ??

[pettersolberg29]

What I'm liking about the WRC this year is the speed of some of the '2nd class'. Novikov, Ostberg, Tanak, even Brynildsen, Delecour and Campana in their specific rallies have challenged for the top 3 times. This hasn't happened for ages and it's nice to see.

[N.O.T]

What I'm liking about the WRC this year is the speed of some of the '2nd class'. Novikov, Ostberg, Tanak, even Brynildsen, Delecour and Campana in their specific rallies have challenged for the top 3 times. This hasn't happened for ages and it's nice to see.

in you case ages must mean a few months then.... because occasional suprises always happened in the sport.

[[WRCRR]]

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Ketomaa? It can't be (just) the tires, as Brynildsen seems to have no problems with them - plus this is his first WRCar rally...so what is it? I know Jari hasn't driven a lot of rallies lately but come on, losing to even some gentleman drivers...it can't be just rust...maybe he just sucks on snow...

Or...the car has some major set-up problems...has he given any indication that this might be the case?

So, experts, what gives?

[pettersolberg29]

Can Solberg finish ahead of Loeb by the end of the rally ?? what do you reckon ??

Without issues Petter wil easily stay ahead. On speed alone he was around 18s slower today and with a worse road position. From now on Loeb will have a worse road position so it should be easy.

[N.O.T]

Ogier strikes back... leading again..and ahead of ketomaa...

[Juha_Koo]

I suggest that forum's name could be changed to "Childish sick dog yelling & BS nonsense discussion area"

Great amount of the messages are total BS. Son I am disappoint.

[N.O.T]

]Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Ketomaa? It can't be (just) the tires, as Brynildsen seems to have no problems with them - plus this is his first WRCar rally...so what is it? I know Jari hasn't driven a lot of rallies lately but come on, losing to even some gentleman drivers...it can't be just rust...maybe he just sucks on snow...

Or...the car has some major set-up problems...has he given any indication that this might be the case?

So, experts, what gives?

i think the tyres give no confidence so all fun is lost...he just wants to finish and go home.

[vkangas]

Pajunen is driving well with Subaru R4, altough not too much comparison...

[pettersolberg29]

in you case ages must mean a few months then.... because occasional suprises always happened in the sport.

Yeah occasional suprises always happen in rallying, but this is like a sustained surprise now. Novikov has been a revelation, while Ostberg here and Delecour in Monte Carlo showed top quality pace on more than one occasion. Not since Stohl and Henning in the whales have supposedly '2nd class' drivers shown such good pace as far as I remember. Early days but I hope these type of drivers continue to push the top 5 a bit.

[N.O.T]

Yeah occasional suprises always happen in rallying, but this is like a sustained surprise now. Novikov has been a revelation, while Ostberg here and Delecour in Monte Carlo showed top quality pace on more than one occasion. Not since Stohl and Henning in the whales have supposedly '2nd class' drivers shown such good pace as far as I remember. Early days but I hope these type of drivers continue to push the top 5 a bit.

sustained surprise with 2 events ???

Ostberg was slow last year ??

hmmmm

[nr7wave]

Ogier is 14s quicker than Ketomaa on split 4 on SS8. He must have some serious problems with the car. Can't just be the tires.

[Viking]

Can Solberg finish ahead of Loeb by the end of the rally ?? what do you reckon ??

Petter yes, Henning no..

[Miika]

Ignore -function makes it so much easier here, after that one can concentrate on the positive things. Yes, there are positive things in this rally as well.

[N.O.T]

Problems for ketomaa.....

[N.O.T]

Ketomaa stopped...

[nr7wave]

Ketomaa off the road after last split.

[ridder]

For the championship it would be nice with Latvala - Hirvonen - Solberg at the end of the rally.

[Viking]

Ketomaa off, he will stay there a while said Henning

[swordsman]

Ketomaa stopped...

Off road according to Henning. He said something like "it will probably take a while for him to get back on the road".

[pettersolberg29]

Sordo loses a minute :S

[nr7wave]

Problems for Sordo aswell!

[vkangas]

Ketomaa sayin in finnish interview that he's just enjoying while he can drive spectacular slides...make your mind of that comment! :)

Looking at Dmack's thread pattern they are propably better on thick soft snow layer.

[vkangas]

Lol @ my timing!

[Iskald]

Henning has woke up finally;-) 12 seconds faster than first time through.

[Bartek]

End of the rally for Sordo?

Ketomaa don't have people to help him to out of the ditch

[ridder]

I expect some team orders at Ford for all 3:Solberg, Østberg, Novikov. Something along the lines of: "Doesn't matter who of you is faster as we always get same championship points, but don't you dare to crash and hand points to Loeb."

[swordsman]

Seems to be huge problems for Sordo, Prokop has already finished the stage... :S

[Bartek]

From what i heard Propok said that Sordo had problems with engine before start of this stage :(

[dimviii]

Ogier strikes back... leading again..and ahead of ketomaa...

its the short slow stage,same as 1st pass too.

[Ondra WRC]

Seb Loeb:
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396467_3264212569964_1406751981_3246545_209175560_ n.jpg

[tolis]

What happened to Loeb? Stuck?

[swordsman]

Engine problems for Sordo. Standing with bonnet open on stage...

[A FONDO]

I say, one more leader with an off and Loeb could step on the podium Sunday evening :s tareup:

anyone to accept such bet? :D

[Miika]

JML flying on this one.

EDIT: Not all the way though. Level with Mikko after this one?

[focus206]

Latvala is gaining time on Hirvonen at the penultimate split...

[A.F.F.]

I'm most amazed of Novikov! This is the longest time of him having not make a mistake and results are very good :up:

Mikko vs. Jari-Matti..... I can't wait the footage this evening, boys are going "isoa kovaa" and surely enjoying the rally :)

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Loeb? Stuck?


Stuck in snow bank on SS7 :mark:

[Mirek]

Pity for Sordo :(

[Wim_Impreza]

Second time that I have Ketomaa in my pickems (after NORF 2011) on other forums, second time that he crashed...

[ridder]

Reading between the lines from Mikko's comments on Monte and here I'd say he's not quite happy with the DS3 handling. So I'd say Latvala wins unless he crashes.

[Tom206wrc]

What about Ketomää ???? :confused:

[Miika]

What about Ketomää ???? :confused:

Off in a place with not too many spectators around.

[blissard]

"There's a picture of Loeb on one of the forums.." Hello Rally radio :)

[Bartek]

What about Ketomää ???? :confused:

He is on snowbank, someone said that there are no people to help him

Miika was faster :)

Tidemand have problems...

[focus206]

I'm also impressed by Novikov, he is doing great :) But let's wait until the end of the rally :D

[A.F.F.]

I confess I haven't read much about Pasific rally series. Can Dmack be compared to Michelins on gravel. I'm already waiting for further rounds :D

[ridder]

On wet gravel it's not so bad, on dry/hard gravel they were close to useless last year.

[A.F.F.]

On wet gravel it's not so bad, on dry/hard gravel they were close to useless last year.

:mark:

No voi vittu.

[Viking]

Ladycup kid seems to be doing ok on this one ;)

[dimviii]

I confess I haven't read much about Pasific rally series. Can Dmack be compared to Michelins on gravel. I'm already waiting for further rounds :D

no way,at rough hot gravel predict to be worse than snow.

edit ..ridder was faster

[nr7wave]

Amazing time by Mikkelsen again. 9.1s ahead of Ogier overall.

[Mirek]

no way,at rough hot gravel predict to be worse than snow.

edit ..ridder was faster
If I remember right last year Semerád was quite happy with them on snow but later he had quite a lot of problems with them on gravel and especially on asphalt.

[swordsman]

What happened to Tidemand on SS8?

[kobefly]

What happened with Sordo?

[Back-N-Black]

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/148049-rally-sweden-2012-a-48.html#post1005843 Check link, some sort of engine problem

[A FONDO]

What happened to Tidemand on SS8?
puncture

[dimviii]

If I remember right last year Semerád was quite happy with them on snow but later he had quite a lot of problems with them on gravel and especially on asphalt.
such this is with second brand tyres.Biggest handicap in asphalt,and they are worse with high temperatures.

[Mirek]

What happened with Sordo?

Engine

[andyone]

Guys im amazed with novikovs pace. has he done Snow Before. that boy is one to watch. he has had lots of misfortunes but sometime you have to go through theml the dude is faster than Henning. damn crazy Russian

[dimviii]

Guys im amazed with novikovs pace. has he done Snow Before. that boy is one to watch. he has had lots of misfortunes but sometime you have to go through theml the dude is faster than Henning. damn crazy Russian

Russian championship has snow rallies.

[andyone]

Russian championship has snow rallies.

yeah for sure. now i understand that but not Sweden? Henning is a pro in snow and has done Sweden a dozen times. but this dude is being faster. coz he is being amazing. you might be surprised Novikov not to retire this year. he seems soo calm

[mm1]

Sordo has finished the stage

[Mirek]

A moment when I first time saw Novikov live was one of those You can't forget. It was on Valašská Rally 2009 - his first ever asphalt event. It was close to zero, raining. He was on slicks and completely crazy :)

[Viking]

Novikov did Rally Norway in 2009, so not first time on this stages.

But wery good pace, let's hope he does not have to use his snowshowels anytime soon.

[A FONDO]

I am impressed with Martin Prokop. After steady 9th place in Monte, now he almost matches snow-experienced Sandell and Solberg. And Al-Raji is only half a minute behind Al-Attiyah. While Araujo is a big shame, I thought last year it was because of the undeveloped car and lost motivation but...

[dimviii]

lol
http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/12/15/26/89/dsc_0210.jpg

[swordsman]

puncture

Tidemand himself just tweeted that he got snow in the air intake which forced him to stop.

[A.F.F.]

Tidemand himself just tweeted that he got snow in the air intake which forced him to stop.

God for bid the technology. Now drivers have time to tweet during the stages .....

[A FONDO]

Tidemand himself just tweeted that he got snow in the air intake which forced him to stop.
I read his quote in the czech site vysledki that he had a puncture and stopped to change it. The site went down btw :(

p.s. goranson http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420924_10150673247023083_52634073082_11531150_2033 314263_n.jpg

[danon]

Novikov did Rally Norway in 2009, so not first time on this stages.

But wery good pace, let's hope he does not have to use his snowshowels anytime soon.

Novikov said exactly the opposite at the SVT 1's overview last night at 10:45 pm.

It was like: "It is my first time here and I don't know the stages like the others do,
but I'll go maximum attack from the very beginning. That's for sure!" :D

[Rallyper]

What about Sandell anyone?

It´s very much Ketomaa here and Prokop there and we have Sandell, first time in WRC-car on 7 th. Not bad, is it??

[Viking]

Todays last "real" stage is running, will Loeb catch Sandell and Henning?

[Langdale Forest]

SS9 started.

[A FONDO]

What about Sandell anyone?

It´s very much Ketomaa here and Prokop there and we have Sandell, first time in WRC-car on 7 th. Not bad, is it??
For me it is. Last year he was 7th again but with the Skoda.

[Rallyper]

For me it is. Last year he was 7th again but with the Skoda.

You mean he should be faster? Come on. The guy is just in the beginning of learning!

[dimviii]

Todays last "real" stage is running, will Loeb catch Sandell and Henning?

maybe only Sandell

[Bartek]

SS Karlstad will be live on SVT like last night?