2011 Rallye de France , looking for info...

[Mirek]

The car must be have at least 1200 kg at any time during the event. It doesn't apply only for stages. That's according to the rules.

[Tomi]

The car must be have at least 1200 kg at any time during the event. It doesn't apply only for stages. That's according to the rules.

Thats how it is, the rules should be followed, and if the team dont, then exclusion is the right way to go.

[Mirek]

Thats how it is, the rules should be followed, and if the team dont, then exclusion is the right way to go.

I agree but we saw many times in the past that while some are equal and some are more equal...

[rubla]

You mean works team entries disqualified? Well, Finnish prime example of disqualification doesn't quite match for that, but in Rally Finland 2006 Juho Hänninen was excluded for having wrong kind of underwear, not the fireproof. Four other drivers - Urmo Aava among them - took the same sentence. Hänninen drove Mitsubishi WRC, his name as an entrant, but the car was as close to a works entry as possible with Mitsubishi at the time, I think.

If i remember correctly, Aava was disqualified not because he had wrong undies, but because his long fireproof underpants sleeves were rolled up under the suit.

[N.O.T]

Burns was excluded for lighter flywheel and was driving an official Peugeot....

But its normal that in factory teams the penalties are less severe because they are the ones who sustain the WRC.

I think we need Al-attyah in this thread...the guy has more exclusions than starts....

[Hartusvuori]

If i remember correctly, Aava was disqualified not because he had wrong undies, but because his long fireproof underpants sleeves were rolled up under the suit.

That rings a bell. I think Hänninen's underwear were fireproof but the FIA stamp had expired. Should find some article on this, though it's irrelevant to this discussion.

[Hartusvuori]

Has this been here yet, a video proof on Block's development as a WRC driver:

2010:
[MEDIAFIRE] [WORKING] Ken Block rate son C3 - pingle au rallye de France (Gold Hack).mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzM0jIjfOjA)

2011:
Rallye de France 2011 - Ken Block - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfT-__qnjE)

[Barreis]

Block was good this time. No major offs.

[Rom1]

Hey guys !

Some of my photos from this weekend:

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/297970_220726247991850_150114141719728_654086_1280 902723_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/309109_221184667946008_150114141719728_655666_1364 571636_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/296228_221477967916678_150114141719728_656694_1945 450324_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/310135_221488347915640_150114141719728_656764_4839 49701_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/319520_221478384583303_150114141719728_656697_1652 235513_n.jpg

Full album on my Facebook page Romain Thuillier Photography | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/RThuillier.Photo)

[rallye-sport]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/alsace-2011-arno/17_0.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/alsace-2011-arno/58.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/alsace-2011-arno/imgp5762_0.jpg

More photos from this rally, here (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-france-2011/)

[Barreis]

Very nice photos.

[Hartusvuori]

On the latest GPweek (http://images.cdn.realviewdigital.com/djvu/Australian%20Motorsport%20News/GP%20Week/Issue%20136/webimages/page0000041_large.png?v=v14) there's an article on the anti-cutting poles, also with a question addressed to Michelen representative on their role to the decision made. He of course denies. In the same article it says that FIA had banned the use of gravel sections on asphalt stages for 2012. Gravel stages can have short distances of tarmac, though.

[Hartusvuori]

On Ford's tactic on Power Stage, MTV3 commentator, former co-driver Tomi Tuominen says that Jarmo Lehtinen said to team radio after they had completed "One mistake, Jari-Matti flat out" and that information was sent to Miika Anttila. This was told to Tuominen by Lehtinen and also comfirmed by Anttila. Tuominen put commentary to the stage on live broadcast and he didn't save his words when he saw JML beating Mikko's time, but in retrospective that was of course the only way to do it, because it could've been that Fords would end up 4-5 on Power Stage and that would've been a screw up.

[bluuford]

The car must be have at least 1200 kg at any time during the event. It doesn't apply only for stages. That's according to the rules.

I remember that once Grönholms car was underwight and it was explained that he had an accident and a few kilograms of the car remained to the stage and it was OK. Solbergs car was in one piece but probably the fuel consumption was bigger than team expected.

[dimviii]

On Ford's tactic on Power Stage, MTV3 commentator, former co-driver Tomi Tuominen says that Jarmo Lehtinen said to team radio after they had completed "One mistake, Jari-Matti flat out" and that information was sent to Miika Anttila. This was told to Tuominen by Lehtinen and also comfirmed by Anttila. Tuominen put commentary to the stage on live broadcast and he didn't save his words when he saw JML beating Mikko's time, but in retrospective that was of course the only way to do it, because it could've been that Fords would end up 4-5 on Power Stage and that would've been a screw up.

So what if Fords had finished 4-5 in power stage? some more points doesn t matter in manufacturers championship.The gap with Citroen is already 54 points with 2 rallies only remaining.Target is completely lost in manufacturers.They have already screw up.
The target was Mikko to gain even 1 or 2 points because at drivers championship have some chances.I really can t understant their sceptic.

[Rallyper]

What a relief!! I cant see N.O.T. anymore! :bounce:

I put him on my ignore list. And it feels fantastic not to read about "sick dogs" anymore!

[wwbroe]

How do you put somebody on the ignore list, maybe i can do that with you also. :confused: :D :bounce:

[jonkka]

Hmm... I just noticed that Petter has also been removed from all stage time sheets at wrc.com. Did he not win four stages and lead the rally after stages 7 and 10? According to wrc.com, he did not. :eek:

[N.O.T]

i don't know how exclusions work exactly...maybe you get excluded from the whole event and all your wins and places are being revoked

[jonkka]

i don't know how exclusions work exactly...maybe you get excluded from the whole event and all your wins and places are being revoked

That's what I am researching at the moment because it's been a while since a prominent driver was excluded from a rally. Hence, I am not sure when I last would have paid any attention to this. However, I am under impression that exclusion wouldn't retroactively remove results from previous stages.

[jonkka]

Yeh, f.ex. in 2007 Rally Portugal Toni Gardemeister was excluded after SS4 and he appears in results before exclusion:

2007 Portugal SS1 (http://www.wrc.com/results/2007/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=1)
2007 Portugal SS2 (http://www.wrc.com/results/2007/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=2)
2007 Portugal SS3 (http://www.wrc.com/results/2007/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=3)
2007 Portugal SS4 (http://www.wrc.com/results/2007/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=4)
2007 Portugal SS5 (http://www.wrc.com/results/2007/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=5)

[N.O.T]

search for Burns exclusion when he was with peugeot i think it was argentina 2002

[Mirek]

That's what I am researching at the moment because it's been a while since a prominent driver was excluded from a rally. Hence, I am not sure when I last would have paid any attention to this. However, I am under impression that exclusion wouldn't retroactively remove results from previous stages.

I think that You are right.

[jonkka]

Also, there's nothing about effect of exclusion on 2011 FIA Sporting Regulations...

[jonkka]

search for Burns exclusion when he was with peugeot i think it was argentina 2002

Unfortunately wrc.com archives don't go that far into history any longer.

[darkstar]

here´s my video of rallye the france 2011:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gynwMhrP2T0

[janvanvurpa]

Has this been here yet, a video proof on Block's development as a WRC driver:

2010:
[MEDIAFIRE] [WORKING] Ken Block rate son C3 - pingle au rallye de France (Gold Hack).mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzM0jIjfOjA)

2011:
Rallye de France 2011 - Ken Block - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfT-__qnjE)

All part of the Five Year Plan....

(you are mean)( ti hi, ti hi)

[RICARDO75]

Unfortunately wrc.com archives don't go that far into history any longer.

juwra.com**|**Rallies - Rally Argentina 2002 (http://www.juwra.com/argentina_2002.html)

[dimviii]

juwra.com | Rallies - Rally Argentina 2002 (http://www.juwra.com/argentina_2002.html)

lol @jonkka

[Co-driven]

If i remember correctly, Aava was disqualified not because he had wrong undies, but because his long fireproof underpants sleeves were rolled up under the suit.

If I remember correctly, Argentina Juan Pablo Raies in a Ford Focus from Munchi's Team was disqualified from a Rally Finland (not sure about that) because he was without one the gloves, after he lost it when changing a tyre.

[jonkka]

lol @jonkka

:D

Anyway, I am going to go against wrc.com's decision and uphold Petter's four stage wins for statistical reasons. Unless someone points out ruling against that...

[Hartusvuori]

Unfortunately wrc.com archives don't go that far into history any longer.

eWRC-results.com - results Rally Argentina 2002 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?event=84)

Here Burns is listed on all stage results.

Raies was exluded in Sweden 2007.

eWRC-results.com - results Uddeholm Swedish Rally 2007 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/retired_all.php?event=18)

[jonkka]

juwra.com**|**Rallies - Rally Argentina 2002 (http://www.juwra.com/argentina_2002.html)

Thanks, but the question is whether I will list "Solberg, Petter 4" on this page (http://www.juwra.com/alsace_2011_stage_winners.html) or not.

[jonkka]

Raies was exluded in Sweden 2007.
eWRC-results.com - results Uddeholm Swedish Rally 2007 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/retired_all.php?event=18)

So was Flodin in 2011 Sweden and wrc.com doesn't list any of his stage times either. Seems that it's either new rule for this year (I don't think so because I didn't find anything in the rule book) or it's new summer editor of wrc.com's.

[dimviii]

here´s my video of rallye the france 2011:


at 0,58 and 1,40 same corner for Sordo and Ogier.The difference is amazing,Ogier even without braking just lift of throttle!! :eek:

same at 2,21 and 1,50 for the same drivers.At 2,37 also Latvala braking.


Nice video as always darkstar! thank you!

[RICARDO75]

:D

Anyway, I am going to against wrc.com's decision and uphold Petter's four stage wins for statistical reasons. Unless someone points out ruling against that...

Ok. I think I realized what was so funny. Anyway, I found the results at ewrc
eWRC-results.com - results Rally Argentina 2002 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=84&stage=1477)

[rallyelee]

my pics from France on Rallyesportfotos (http://www.rallyesportfotos.de)

reg.Jörg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/11fr27.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/11fr10.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/11fr64.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/11fr60.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-CHse1wtw

[Rom1]

Hey guys,

Some of my photos from this weekend:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/310135_221488347915640_150114141719728_656764_4839 49701_n.jpg

Full album on my Facebook page Romain Thuillier Photography | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/RThuillier.Photo)

[AndyRAC]

Unfortunately wrc.com archives don't go that far into history any longer.

Anything before 2002 doesn't count. WRC only started when ISC took over...... ;)

[Luis Pacheco]

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/alsace-2011-arno/58.jpg




What a great pic!!!!
Congratulations.

[Barreis]

Really great pictures.

[dimviii]

wow!!
some pictures are amazing!

[6789]

Love the block one!! What was the shutter?

[MK2 BDG]

Some excellent pictures on here,,

Anyone got one of the R2 no 58, with the yellow helicopter on the side ??? would be well appreciated :)

[Hartusvuori]

Thanks for the comments ;) @6789, the photo from Block was made with shutter speed 1/80s

You have a steady hand! Good pictures, too.

[pucky54]

You have a steady hand! Good pictures, too.

May be steady shot inside :)

[janvanvurpa]

Thanks for the comments ;) @6789, the photo from Block was made with shutter speed 1/80s

Was he going that slow? 8)

Nice photos, and nice photos of Omloop van Vlaanderen too. Nice to see some Ascona and Manta A, the only Opels we had here really.

[hype]

My photos are now online on RoundFour | Fotos Reiseberichte | Images Travelogues | Patrik Pangerl - Michelle Blanchard » Patrik Pangerl - Michelle Blanchard (http://www.roundfour.de) :-)

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[jolle1982]

Video Rally de france by rallyefreaks.de online!!!
Rally de France 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjXQT0_mVA)

[dimviii]

From ewrc.cz
Google PYeklada (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=cs&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php%3Fid%3D17983)

[tolis]

Rally de France Review: WRC 2011 - (http://www.woop.gr/woopgallery/42764/wrc-2011-anaskopese-rally-gallias)

[uranium]

Rally de France Review: WRC 2011 - (http://www.woop.gr/woopgallery/42764/wrc-2011-anaskopese-rally-gallias)

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[tolis]

We regret to inform you that viewing of this particular content is only permitted within Greece.
pity :(

[6789]

There's reviews of France and IRC rallies on this youtube channel. Not sure if you guys have seen this before Chaîne de JMLatvalaFan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/JMLatvalaFan)

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

My photo from Rallye France 2011 (http://www.worldrally.ru/gallery.php?album=174)

[userwave]

Back in Canada from the trip to Strasbourg and area for the rallye, had a good time,
Strasbourg is nice, but very quiet at night :) Also enjoyed seeing the Alsace region and enjoying many nice wines :)
After the rallye we went onto Corsica , the weather was amazing, got to enjoy the tour de corse historique which was cool to see. Those Corsica mountain roads are unbelievable, why did they move the WRC France event from
Corsica ?? what was the official reason ? anyone know?

[Mintexmemory]

6 times world champ wants to play in his own backyard with greater accessibility (hence greater Departement tourist funding) from Northern Europe by road. PR and cash. No reason stated, not necessary!

[6789]

Yeah unfortunately its not just the roads which determines where an event is held. Could say the same about Perth and the roads around there. Defs was to go to those islands around there, Ibiza and Megaluf!! Yeah buddy!

[darkstar]

as far as i know the reason was that corsica was to expensive for the teams, because its on a island and that the organizers ran out of money. i also dont like the alsace wrc rallye so mutch, i would like to have the rallye alsace vosges as french championchip again, was always nice. and the wrc rallye somewhere else, but defenetly not on corsica. it´s just too expensive(also for spectators, i wouldnt go there then) and too far away. maybe some rallye like mont blanc witch have quite challenging roads...or du var put together with vaucluse as a mixed rallye. two day on tarmac in du var region and one on gravel in the vaucluse region. rallye headquarter in marseille then. or rallye langres mixed with lyon charbonierre...or only on gravel :)

[darkstar]

shure sardinia is expensive too, thats why it was also on the list of rallye´s that could dissapear soon from the wrc calendar.

du var is based at st maxime, vaucluse somewhere around orange, thats about 200 km. marseille is somewhere in the middle.

for langres and lyon its 250km, thats right.

morzine (mt. blanc) and valence are about 300 km from eatch other, to monte carlo its about 500km. but they didnt care about rallye germany and rallye de france only being 200 km from eatch other, so that shouldnt be the problem.

and at other wrc events you even have more distance from hq to the stages, have a look at rallye gb this year for example. the great orme stage from day one is about 270 km away from the rallye hq in cardiff! the nearest stages like crychan are still about 100 km to drive...

[Mintexmemory]

Smokescreen - Corsica and Sardinia are very much less expensive for EUROPEAN-BASED teams than single event journeys to Argentina, Mexico, Australia or NZ. IRC soon stepped in to both islands when WRC decided to go elsewhere!

[darkstar]

shure it´s cheaper then south america or australia, but staying on the continent is still cheaper. madeira for example also has dissapeared from the irc calendar now and so did the oversea rallyes like brasil, witch no one cared about.

if the italian wrc rallye would not be on a island for example, i would go there too, because i could easily reach it with my car, without extra costs for ferrys. same was for french wrc rallye...

[Mintexmemory]

Sardinia was cheap to fly and car hire. Coming from UK I wouldn't think of driving more than 1 day distance. Can't believe the Scandinavians all drove to Sardinia, though the Czechs probably did as they don't seem to have to work! Fly -drive to Ireland is cheaper than ferries too, that's what I did in 07 & 09