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[Mirek]

Hänninen will get over Prokop and Brynildsen easily considering he made more than 1s/km on them now...

[sete]

on ss 9 great time for Hanninen- 10 sec. quickest then Brynildsen and Tanak

[Mirek]

Gassner didn't start?

[AP-Racing]

you mean technical problem or problem with the hands? :-)

I think Mikko dosn't have problem with hands, and his problem same diagnosis with Kimi....lost motivation

[AP-Racing]

Malcolm: Mikko, you need to push
Mikko: Malcolm, i tryin, but Sebastien so fast
Malcolm: Mikko, but Sebastien retired yesterday
Mikko: Really? So...I can't Malcolm, i need to find my motivation

[sete]

isnt title of the WRC good motivation?

[AP-Racing]

isnt title of the WRC good motivation?

For Mikko? No :) ))
Good motivation for Mikko - unemployment

[KKS]

Dani comeback on split2. GO Dani!!!!

[HaCo]

For the first time since long I enjoy watching WRC results. Unfortunately Loeb is not making part of the win-fight :(

[René]

Petter had a moment??

[jonkka]

Seems so

[Mirek]

Petter +20 on split...

[rp]

For the first time since long I enjoy watching WRC results. Unfortunately Loeb is not making part of the win-fight :(

If Loeb would be in the event you could not enjoy, because he would dominate...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Went from Sordo, Solberg now Ogier!

[KKS]

Are Citroen motorsport have a magic button for tyre too?

[sete]

Petter got a puncture :-(

[cali]

Puncture for Petter!

[GigiGalliNo1]

If Loeb would be in the event you could not enjoy, because he would dominate...

But everyone complained when Loeb was out that the rally was BORING!!

So what's the point either way?

[dimviii]

Drama for Petter?

[sete]

on SS10 Hanninen with another good time goes over Prokop on the third place in swrc

[Mirek]

If Loeb would be in the event you could not enjoy, because he would dominate...

These days are over since Ogier came in.

[dimviii]

Hanninen passed Prokop,and in next ss probably Brynildsen

[jonkka]

But everyone complained when Loeb was out that the rally was BORING!!

I did not.

[dimviii]

Latvala 8,6 from Meeke

[pete c]

nor me

[Mirek]

Breen?

[Brother John]

Drama for Petter?

yes as usual is, when he will again run an entire rally peak times, is almost 10 years ago.

[GigiGalliNo1]

OK

some people did... even in person here during Rally Australia who go to all rounds said...

[sete]

Novikov out off the way on SS 11

[Franky]

Looking at this rally and the whole season, then Mikko really needs to get sacked.

[pete c]

Breen seems to stopped, dont know why

[wwbroe]

Hänninen will get over Prokop and Brynildsen easily considering he made more than 1s/km on them now...

I must admit that you are absolutely right Mirek, he will be in second place quite soon. ;)

[dimviii]

NOVIKOV E. / GIRAUDET D. (st. č. 54) Reported went off

[wwbroe]

NOVIKOV E. / GIRAUDET D. (st. č. 54) Reported went off

Once again he had an off? I think he will never learn, and now he was not even going that fast on the stage's if you have a look at his stagetimes. Giraudet is a very brave man, or he desperetaly needs the money.

[cali]

NOVIKOV E. / GIRAUDET D. (st. č. 54) Reported went off
Not a big surprise ... lol

[sete]

by the rally radio:Craig Breen stop on the stage 10

[Mintexmemory]

Good morning, slept in and it's all kicking off! just time to walk the dogs before Grand Balon starts.

[havk]

Mikko is disappointing.. If he wants to have any real chances for the title he need to be at least 4th in this rally..

[sete]

Latvala will help him.......again

[dimviii]

Once again he had an off? I think he will never learn, and now he was not even going that fast on the stage's if you have a look at his stagetimes. Giraudet is a very brave man, or he desperetaly needs the money.

yes,there is no comparison from 2 years ago Novikov.Even no speed at all.

[N.O.T]

Latvala will have to stop again....lol

We have the finish version of Biasion....

[sete]

Hanninen really goes for second in SWRC

[sete]

rally radio:Breen went off and broke drive shaft onn ss10
if i understand right

[wwbroe]

Hanninen just took over Brynildssen for second in SWRC, he will take home enough points for championship.

[pete c]

Yeah,Latvala will have to do what Ogier did for Loeb in AUS

[sete]

Maybe some points for latvala on power stage again? :-D

[pete c]

Not if it takes points off Hirvonen

[sete]

so Malcolm must it couch better then in AUS .-)

[Mintexmemory]

Not if it takes points off Hirvonen But it won't as even with JMLs help Mikko wont be faster than the top 3 and Meeke -Unless Jari-Matti and Mikko swap helmets at service!

[dimviii]

Prokop is very slow,has he got any problems?

[r199]

So from now on it realy is Evgeni Crashalot haha

[sete]

after Friday stages Prokop says he is really out of rhytm, he do mistake in every corner
eWRC.cz - Martin Prokop se prvním dnem Rally de France protrápil (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=17918&title=martin-prokop-se-prvnim-dnem-rally-de-france-protrapil)

[Mirek]

Prokop is very slow,has he got any problems?

He was always complaining about everything in this rally...

[focus206]

So, let's see... problems for Petter, Novikov went off and Mikko is slow... just as usual :D
Too bad for Breen instead, he was doing good :(

[6789]

Such a shame for Petter :(

[Mintexmemory]

Such a shame for Petter :(

Long way to go before the obese Chanteuse performs!

[sete]

on SS 10 retire J.Černý for the same reason as Breen

[wwbroe]

Did they start stage 12 late?

[wwbroe]

I just hear on WRR that they are running 5 min late

[sete]

start SS12 delayed for +5 minutes

[sete]

on the second split SS12 Ogier slowest +2.6 then Sordo

[wwbroe]

SORDO back in the lead !!!

[Mintexmemory]

SORDO back in the lead !!! Has Ogier finished?

Oh I see now .2 sec down, someone try to tell me Ogier is cruising, Citroen didn't expect this and will have a big strategic decision to make in Spain

[6789]

Ogier on the time of Sordo "It is impossible to do such a time in a bad car"

[sete]

Will the Mini start in Spain?

[wwbroe]

Problems for Ostberg in the stage, Kuipers has passed him.

[wwbroe]

Latvalla has passed Meeke in overall standings, so now in fourth place.

[sete]

Ostberg stop in SS,now he contiues

[Mintexmemory]

Will the Mini start in Spain?
Unless the French secret service sabotage it!! Spain and GB

[6789]

Will the Mini start in Spain?
Pretty sure they're doing Spain and GB

[wwbroe]

Slowest time sofar for Mikko, he is driving really bad this rally. Maybe he don't want to drive fast as Seb is out?

[Mintexmemory]

JML still as fast as a flat out Ogier on tarmac! Oh Ford why didn't you spend the right amount of resources last year? (did Malcolm tell you it wasn't necessary?), Prodrive showing how to do it - think they learned a lot from the Subaru experience

[HaCo]

Very nice competition :)

[Brother John]

Slowest time sofar for Mikko, he is driving really bad this rally. Maybe he don't want to drive fast as Seb is out?

No, I think he is smart and Malcolm decides what to do.

[dimviii]

JML still as fast as a flat out Ogier on tarmac! Oh Ford why didn't you spend the right amount of resources last year? (did Malcolm tell you it wasn't necessary?), Prodrive showing how to do it - think they learned a lot from the Subaru experience

lol

[Mintexmemory]

Slowest time sofar for Mikko, he is driving really bad this rally. Maybe he don't want to drive fast as Seb is out?
As it stands at present JML will have to let Meeke Past as well!!! so Kris should just keep ahead of Mikko and not go chasing JML

[dimviii]

Has Ogier finished?

Oh I see now .2 sec down, someone try to tell me Ogier is cruising, Citroen didn't expect this and will have a big strategic decision to make in Spain

Try to understant it,because you ll dissapointed when the rally ends.

[Mintexmemory]

Try to understant it,because you ll dissapointed when the rally ends.
Don't be so bloody patronising! Ogier is not in control of this situation - he is in a straight fight. If he wins it will because he has beaten a very good combination, not because he's doing just enough!

[Mise]

So from now on it realy is Evgeni Crashalot haha

Evgeni Now we go of

[dimviii]

Don't be so bloody patronising! Ogier is not in control of this situation - he is in a straight fight. If he wins it will because he has beaten a very good combination, not because he's doing just enough!
So you really think that Ogier is capable of just 8,9 sec in 24 km ss over Meeke who spun out of the road.

MEEKE K. / NAGLE P. (st. č. 52) "We were bit off actually, I had wrong notes and spun on gravel." /

[pete c]

Bloody hell, why does'nt Matty Wilson just give up and do something else , he's a complete embarasment

[Mirek]

Hänninen stopped...

[Mintexmemory]

So you really think that Ogier is capable of just 8,9 sec in 24 km ss over Meeke who spun out of the road.

MEEKE K. / NAGLE P. (st. č. 52) "We were bit off actually, I had wrong notes and spun on gravel." /
Well as the stream isn't on one car for the whole of the stage I couldn't tell you what errors Ogier may be making. I think you have become splits strategy addicted, anyway that was yesterday. So if this is a strategy Ogier should be comfortably quicker following Sordo, he isn't because the Mini is faster than expected and because of this Von Clauswitz's maxim about strategy applies. I have been watching rallies since 1977 (before you were born, I suspect) and know enough to be able to analyse team tactics. Look at Ogier's last 2 splits on SS12 -they don't back up your analysis

[AP-Racing]

Impossible fight Wilson & Tanak.....uhhhh

[Mintexmemory]

Impossible fight Wilson & Tanak.....uhhhh
No contest ;-) Go Ott, WC points again I think. WRC car for the non-SWRC round (I forget which one it is), Malcolm, you should have a spare from now on!!

[Mirek]

So Juho standing without rear wheel. That gives Tänak a big championship chance. Everything will be decided in Spain!

[wwbroe]

So Juho standing without rear wheel. That gives Tänak a big championship chance. Everything will be decided in Spain!

Could be an expensive mistake that Juho is making here, and also a bit strange since he was second in SWRC ad i am sure he wasn't thinking of getting Ott back? He should have just taken things easy and the championship was nearly in the pocket. Now, on the other hand, he will have to face big opposition from Ott in Spain.

[Mirek]

Yes, he crashed second time in a row and lost huge point advantage over Ott.

[werner]

As I am right, if Tänak wins here in France, and Hänninen at Spain (in front of Tänak for example), same points, Hänninen is Champion? 3 wins and 2 second places against 3 wins and 1 second? So nothing lost for the finn ...

[vkangas]

Yes, he crashed second time in a row and lost huge point advantage over Ott.
Maybe a fresh VW contract is messing his toughts... ;) .

[Rallyper]

So whom do you guys think the pressure is on?
Sordo - getting his first win in WRC and Mini?
Ogier - getting points enough to threat Loeb?
petter to reach a podium finish or maybe win?
Latval - to do his 2nd driver job?
Hirvonen -to get enough points to threat Loeb?

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen is just disgraceful.....BLAH

I hope Latvala is allowed to get what he fights for and he doesn't slow down again.

I think Ogier will win at the end...i just hope that the Mini doesn't break down.

[dimviii]

Well as the stream isn't on one car for the whole of the stage I couldn't tell you what errors Ogier may be making. I think you have become splits strategy addicted, anyway that was yesterday. So if this is a strategy Ogier should be comfortably quicker following Sordo, he isn't because the Mini is faster than expected and because of this Von Clauswitz's maxim about strategy applies. I have been watching rallies since 1977 (before you were born, I suspect) and know enough to be able to analyse team tactics. Look at Ogier's last 2 splits on SS12 -they don't back up your analysis

you didn t answer in my question about the 8,9 sec at 24 km ss with spun.

[N.O.T]

those useless radio guys again talk all the time....now i see the coverage without sound and its better.

[sete]

my opinion is-under biggest pressure is Ogier because its his and his team home event,he always want a win and now is beaten by newbie Mini and he needs points for fight to title

[dimviii]

So whom do you guys think the pressure is on?
Sordo - getting his first win in WRC and Mini?
Ogier - getting points enough to threat Loeb?
petter to reach a podium finish or maybe win?
Latval - to do his 2nd driver job?
Hirvonen -to get enough points to threat Loeb?

pressure is at the guy who can be crowned as a champion.
the others haven t got something to loose.They ve lost it already.

[N.O.T]

no splits for meeke ??

[N.O.T]

meeke stopped in the stage....

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen 10 seconds slower.....what a sick dog....

[N.O.T]

Crash for meeke...yet again...its getting boring.

[N.O.T]

Ogier is really pushing !!!!

[N.O.T]

Ogier extends his lead a bit.

[6789]

Jump start for Latvala

[dimviii]

ss 14 same as ss 10. Only Ogier could go faster at second pass.....

[dimviii]

Mikko managed 1 sec/km slower

[sete]

Tanak start control his position or same problem?

[focus206]

Again a mistake for Meeke? :(

[Rallyper]

If you guys from Mediterrainian east country didn´t catch this:

Mikko is securing points to Loeb and dont ever want to risk them as they are. Would be stupid to push on the limit for him.

[N.O.T]

he is a disgrace the way he drives....but he is used to it from all te ridicule he gets all these years from everyone.

I want to see if Latvala slows down again....

[AP-Racing]

maybe Mikko mix up accelerator with brake ped?

[Barreis]

maybe Mikke mix up accelerator with brake ped?

He's not Novikov. :D

[Rallyper]

he is a disgrace the way he drives....but he is used to it from all te ridicule he gets all these years from everyone.

I want to see if Latvala slows down again....

Of course he will.

[AndyRAC]

If you guys from Mediterrainian east country didn´t catch this:

Mikko is securing points to Loeb and dont ever want to risk them as they are. Would be stupid to push on the limit for him.

A sensible decision from Mikko, however shows how uncompetitive the WRC still is - look at the time gaps in the lower top 10....

[AP-Racing]

He's not Novikov. :D

Novikov don't know, where in Ford brake pedal and trying to slow down on rocks, trees, waterfalls, deers, birds, Dark Weiders and other sources :)

[N.O.T]

A sensible decision from Mikko, however shows how uncompetitive the WRC still is - look at the time gaps in the lower top 10....

it was always ike that through the years after day 1 there were 2-3 cars fighting and the rest following.

[N.O.T]

Slowson manages to lose 2 seconds per/km in the last stages.....what a disgrace for the sport.

[AP-Racing]

I know what need to do IceCube in Spain....for epic closing his rally driver career, he need to fall from starting podium

[N.O.T]

Ogier is starting to take command of the rally....

[wrc1600]

If you guys from Mediterrainian east country didn´t catch this:

Mikko is securing points to Loeb and dont ever want to risk them as they are. Would be stupid to push on the limit for him.
Just ignore it, few weeks ago you could you read some post form them about Hirvonen driving:

"yes very nice driving by mikko the whole for 2.9 days...he would win easily here without the mistake."
"the times hirvonen is posting are insane..."

[N.O.T]

Yes, in rallies that are more than 2 kms from his house he is a disgrace.

[Brother John]

A sensible decision from Mikko, however shows how uncompetitive the WRC still is - look at the time gaps in the lower top 10....

Hirvonen does exactly what is expected of him. you al have here only negative comment of one of the top drivers, I don´t understand how you think.

[Viking]

Østberg faster than Mikko.

[sete]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. (st. č. 3) "So many tricky places, I don't take any risk. It's all about points now."

[GigiGalliNo1]

I wonder how much fuel and $$$$ they are wasting hovering that helicopter? LIVE?! haha

[N.O.T]

a Never been champion in the making...

once a sick dog forever a sick dog.....

[havk]

If you guys from Mediterrainian east country didn´t catch this:

Mikko is securing points to Loeb and dont ever want to risk them as they are. Would be stupid to push on the limit for him.

After Meeke crash he has rather nothing to gain by pushing (only if Sordo, Ogier or Solberg got puncture or sth like that). But earlier he could fight for 4th place. If he wants to fight for the title he needs to be much faster in Spain.

[cali]

Tanak start control his position or same problem?

The guys from MM Motorsport have told me that Tänak has two switches - ON and OFF. If he is ON it, then he is really fast. When he is going to drive carefully, then he is really badly off pace. He does not know how to drive on medium pace. I guess lack of experience.

[6789]

I wonder how much fuel and $$$$ they are wasting hovering that helicopter? LIVE?! haha
$5 a min in fuel probs lol

[AP-Racing]

Ford has 2 greatest drivers....Slowson and Slow'onen....boring

[wrc1600]

And they will ask to pay for live coverage sooner or later I guess

[dimviii]

Østberg faster than Mikko.

Don t worry he is securing points.

[6789]

Interviews on now, Quensel said Loeb engine problem was related to a mistake by a mechanic

[wrc1600]

Ford has 2 greatest drivers....Slowson and Slow'onen....boring
So far Ford is outpaced in general, regardless drivers

[AndyRAC]

And they will ask to pay for live coverage sooner or later I guess

A mistake if it happens. If FiA GT1 World Championship/ LMS/ALMS can provide free web coverage, then the WRC needs to. The sport just isn't big enough to be charging.

[AndyRAC]

Interviews on now, Quensel said Loeb engine problem was related to a mistake by a mechanic

Sounds like a trip to le guillotine.......

[dimviii]

If you guys from Mediterrainian east country didn´t catch this:

Mikko is securing points to Loeb and dont ever want to risk them as they are. Would be stupid to push on the limit for him.

Really?We haven t see it since Sweden. So he could go faster but he don t want to take risks.Do you remember that he was out of road at first stages even with this s l o w pace?

Get real

[MJW]

Sounds like a trip to le guillotine.......
Maybe someone in the engine build workshop likes Ogier....

[rubla]

The guys from MM Motorsport have told me that Tänak has two switches - ON and OFF. If he is ON it, then he is really fast. When he is going to drive carefully, then he is really badly off pace. He does not know how to drive on medium pace. I guess lack of experience.

In terms of speed, he is sooo ready for wrc. but he is also one of the least experienced quys out there, so at least first year or two would be really tough for him. if only swrc would have better field, i would say he should stick there for at least 1 more year.

[6789]

Maybe someone in the engine build workshop likes Ogier....
Or maybe Ford?? lol

But I wouldn't want to be that guy, Quesnel could be covering up an a problem with the engine, never know. Have to feel for Loeb but, tough luck this rally

[Viking]

Sounds like a trip to le guillotine.......

Sounded more like "payback to you mr.Loeb" with a smirk smile...

[Viking]

were is the swrc stage times on ss15??

[N.O.T]

Sounds like a trip to le guillotine.......

more like a trip to the unemployment office...

[Allyc85]

8 minutes till next stage.

[bluuford]

something is wrong.Oliveira stopped. Muller lost a lot of time right after him and no more cars after them

[Hartusvuori]

Just browsed through last few pages and I've never seen it so negative. Not even innovatively negative, but repetition of phrases we have heard for ages already, a rebuild of negative belief after each split time and stage result. I really don't know how you manage.

[ZequeArgentina]

No times in ss15 after Muller, hope no problem from Tanak and then blocking the road.

[Allyc85]

Just browsed through last few pages and I've never seen it so negative. Not even innovatively negative, but repetition of phrases we have heard for ages already, a rebuild of negative belief after each split time and stage result. I really don't know how you manage.

There is always alot of negativity in this section, especially from one certain member. Im sure you can guess who ;)

[cali]

No times in ss15 after Muller, hope no problem from Tanak and then blocking the road.

I believe it's Oliveira who's missing from results

[Francis44]

Lol Ogier arrives at stage start and everyone runs like mad trying to take a picture or an autograph.

[tfp]

Just browsed through last few pages and I've never seen it so negative. Not even innovatively negative, but repetition of phrases we have heard for ages already, a rebuild of negative belief after each split time and stage result. I really don't know how you manage.

There should be a seperate section for them called " driver bashing" or something. Let them get on with it.

[wildsir]

Crash for meeke...yet again...its getting boring.

Yes to be beating 'world champion in waiting' Hirvonen is your 5th event in a WRC is pathetic.

[dimviii]

stage delayed 10 min

[cali]

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu reports that according to very trustworthy sources Ogier has signed 3 year deal with Ford. Hirvonen to Citroen seems very likely.

[wildsir]

Is Olivera crew ok? Anything to do with stage being delayed?

[wildsir]

Urheilu - MTV3.fi (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu) reports that according to very trustworthy sources Ogier has signed 3 year deal with Ford. Hirvonen to Citroen seems very likely.
Well... I did tell you folk about 2 month ago.

[Rallyper]

Really?We haven t see it since Sweden. So he could go faster but he don t want to take risks.Do you remember that he was out of road at first stages even with this s l o w pace?

Get real

So you know he didnt push then? You were there in his car? In his mind?

Come on!

[BDunnell]

Just browsed through last few pages and I've never seen it so negative. Not even innovatively negative, but repetition of phrases we have heard for ages already, a rebuild of negative belief after each split time and stage result. I really don't know how you manage.

Or why some people even bother watching and contributing. It's a shame, for there are some tremendous enthusiasts on here.

[wwbroe]

Fastest time sofar by Sordo, but just minor differences

[MikeD]

www.mtv3.fi/urheilu (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu) reports that according to very trustworthy sources Ogier has signed 3 year deal with Ford. Hirvonen to Citroen seems very likely.

I think that's good news, because then Ford finally have a driver able to win the championship. I am guessing that Petter Solberg will move up to the Citroën works team and Hirvonen will replace Crash Meeke at Mini.

[vkangas]

I think that's good news, because then Ford finally have a driver able to win the championship. I am guessing that Petter Solberg will move up to the Citroën works team and Hirvonen will replace Crash Meeke at Mini.
There would be absolytely nothing for Petter in that deal.

[wwbroe]

I guess that is mistake in split times? Araujo 15 sec faster as Sordo on last split. :eek: :eek:

[MikeD]

There would be absolytely nothing for Petter in that deal.

Well, maybe a good chance to win a rally or two. I am sticking with my prediction :)

[denkimi]

I guess that is mistake in split times? Araujo 15 sec faster as Sordo on last split. :eek: :eek:
that, or he has taken a shortcut.

[vkangas]

Funny to hear how differently Mikko and J-M approach things.

Mikko fighting for the championship: "Let's just finish safely with some points"
J-M in support mode for team: "I'll try to push as I will learn nothing driving too carefully..."

I wonder who has more WDC potential.... :)

[Hartusvuori]

I think that's good news, because then Ford finally have a driver able to win the championship. I am guessing that Petter Solberg will move up to the Citroën works team and Hirvonen will replace Crash Meeke at Mini.

Today's Helsingin Sanomat (biggest newspaper in Finland) reported about Hirvonen's Citroen move as well, but none of the participants - Hirvonen, Wilson, Quessnel nor Jouhki - admitted anything. Jouhki however mentioned that of the current four teams involved Mini is the only one that is not an option for Hirvonen.

[dimviii]

So you know he didnt push then? You were there in his car? In his mind?

Come on!

No,just read comments from vysledky
ss15
OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. (st. č. 2) "Afternoon is going well at the moment. I try to push little bit more.

ss16
"I'm happy. We try to push when it's clean

[Rallyper]

No,just read comments from vysledky
ss15
OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. (st. č. 2) "Afternoon is going well at the moment. I try to push little bit more.

ss16
"I'm happy. We try to push when it's clean




You were saying he didnt even push on first stage, man.

[dimviii]

You were saying he didnt even push on first stage, man.

According to Ogier yes he is not pushing maximum ,because at next stages he pushed a little bit more.What you don t understant?


Meeke car
World Rally Championship - News - Meeke crashes out (http://www.wrc.com/news/meeke-crashes-out/?fid=15498)

[dimviii]

swap confirmed
World Rally Championship - News - Wilson prepares for team orders (http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-prepares-for-team-orders/?fid=15500)

[dimviii]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. (st. č. 3) "Just try to keep the rhythm, make no mistake."

1 sec/km just to not make mistake for the championship contenter.
Wish Ogier moves to Ford.

[N.O.T]

swap confirmed
World Rally Championship - News - Wilson prepares for team orders (http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-prepares-for-team-orders/?fid=15500)

LOL...

Well done Mikko....

LOL

[N.O.T]

Wish Ogier moves to Ford.

If he does his career is over.... Loeb will win championships until he is 100 years old.

[Rallyper]

[quote="dimviii"]According to Ogier yes he is not pushing maximum ,because at next stages he pushed a little bit more.What you don t understant?


"Do you remember that he was out of road at first stages even with this s l o w pace?

Get real"

We were talking about Mikko didnt we?

[dimviii]

If he does his career is over.... Loeb will win championships until he is 100 years old.

You have a point there,but they are going to be a good pair with Jari.I am sure that Ogier in Ford can put more pressure to Citroen.

[Juha_Koo]

It's stupid but Mikko is doing excatly the right thing now. The most idiotic move would be to push 110% and go off.

He has nothing to win anymore in France because of his very poor pace on Friday. To win the championship he has to show it. Win in Catalunya and Wales would do the trick. This season has only consolidated my thoughts about Mikko. Many years as a second driver and career done in sport's recession time which gave him a very stable place in manufacturer team no matter what the results were caused that he never learned to push 110% which is required to win championships.

[dimviii]

According to Ogier yes he is not pushing maximum ,because at next stages he pushed a little bit more.What you don t understant?


"Do you remember that he was out of road at first stages even with this s l o w pace?

Get real"

We were talking about Mikko didnt we?


yes.

[N.O.T]

It's stupid but Mikko is doing excatly the right thing now. The most idiotic move would be to push 110% and go off.

He has nothing to win anymore in France because of his very poor pace on Friday. To win the championship he has to show it. Win in Catalunya and Wales would do the trick. This season has only consolidated my thoughts about Mikko. Many years as a second driver and career done in sport's recession time which gave him a very stable place in manufacturer team no matter what the results were caused that he never learned to push 110% which is required to win championships.

unforunately Catalunya and GB are more than 10km from his house so he has no chance to win anything by speed or by driving....

he can win if Ogier and Loeb decided to through the title in the garbage and then we can call mikko the garbage picker champ....

[AndyRAC]

It's stupid but Mikko is doing excatly the right thing now. The most idiotic move would be to push 110% and go off.

He has nothing to win anymore in France because of his very poor pace on Friday. To win the championship he has to show it. Win in Catalunya and Wales would do the trick. This season has only consolidated my thoughts about Mikko. Many years as a second driver and career done in sport's recession time which gave him a very stable place in manufacturer team no matter what the results were caused that he never learned to push 110% which is required to win championships.

A pretty accurate summation. People are blinded by 2009, which wasn't due to his pace, but more consistent results, and Loeb having a mid-season slump. If he wants to win the WRC this year, he's going to have to push for wins.

[N.O.T]

I am out of words to describe slowsons performance....what a joke...

[Gregor-y]

WRC's English live coverage seems to be the normal radio program with unrelated helicopter footage. I switched to the French language option to see an interview (in English) with David Richards, then back to helicopter footage with no commentary at all.

The IRC still has their live broadcasts online; the WRC budget managers need to watch a few of them.

[MikeD]

If he does his career is over.... Loeb will win championships until he is 100 years old.

I don't think so. Ogier is the first driver that can actually push Loeb on both gravel AND tarmac - but it's clearly a more risky move for Ogier than for Ford, but I think it will be a success.

[dimviii]

Burris roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4luXz5T4vog

[N.O.T]

I don't think so. Ogier is the first driver that can actually push Loeb on both gravel AND tarmac - but it's clearly a more risky move for Ogier than for Ford, but I think it will be a success.

In order for ford to be in contention with Citroen they need to push 100% to reach Citroens 85% performance....when the Citroens push its very hard for the Fords to reach.

Every driver knows that you cannot compete a whole rally at 100% because you crash...simple as that, and Latvalas performance shows that, the poor guy is trying to match the citroen and crashes all the time, same will happen to Ogier (if he manages to overcome the language barrier with the team). Loeb will be No1...Hirvonen will follow team orders all the time and he will secure the manufacturer title for the team while the fords struggle to beat the Minis, the VWs and the Citroens...

I still think that Ogier will be at citroen until his contract ends...otherwise Loeb is going to take the next 2 titles with hands in pockets.

[Rallyper]

Is there ever footage from inside of the Citroens? Am I wrong not having seen such pics?

[Mintexmemory]

I don't think so. Ogier is the first driver that can actually push Loeb on both gravel AND tarmac - but it's clearly a more risky move for Ogier than for Ford, but I think it will be a success.

Sorry you have to add 'in a Citroen' - JML will be quicker than Ogier in a Ford as he knows already what a pile of crap it is ;)

[N.O.T]

Is there ever footage from inside of the Citroens? Am I wrong not having seen such pics?

you mean incar footage ?? there are hundreds of incar footage from he citroens through the years

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRC's English live coverage seems to be the normal radio program with unrelated helicopter footage. I switched to the French language option to see an interview (in English) with David Richards, then back to helicopter footage with no commentary at all.

The IRC still has their live broadcasts online; the WRC budget managers need to watch a few of them.

WRR commentary might be a few seconds off being 'LIVE' with the LIVE streaming from Helicopter and camera's!

People should just enjoy it and watch with a smile that you can see this!

Next rounds they will improve... trust me!

[Rallyper]

you mean incar footage ?? there are hundreds of incar footage from he citroens through the years

Yeah, maybe, but from this year with the new cars?

[Hartusvuori]

Yeah, maybe, but from this year with the new cars?

Chaîne de wrc - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/wrc) and browse on!

[N.O.T]

i think he means incar footage showing the inside of the car and not bumper cameras and bonnet cameras....

[Rallyper]

You´re absolutely right NOT.

I watched around for only a few minutes (Australia) but didnt see pics from behind the seats and able to watch Sebs drive and see dashboards etz.

Are they having secrets about something?

[Francis44]

Citroën Racing - WRC 2011 - DS3 WRC OBC in 3D - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwwPcakK40)

I think this video has what you guys are looking for, from minute 2.12 onwards.

[N.O.T]

kimis car

WRC Onboards: Rally Sweden 2011 - Kimi Raikkonen SS15. Requested by bigraikkonenfan5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfRtajWvQIY)

but as usual from the previous years the rollcage structure doesn't allow any good footage...

the only other footage inside the car of the ds3 include those that show just the driver and co-driver without any footage fromt he road ahead.

[N.O.T]

You´re absolutely right NOT.

I watched around for only a few minutes (Australia) but didnt see pics from behind the seats and able to watch Sebs drive and see dashboards etz.

Are they having secrets about something?

i thought that you asked because you had doubts...i don't think they have anything illegal because there are footage showing both driver and co-driver during a stage...and they don't seem to do anything strange like pushing buttons ects...

[N.O.T]

well the rally is over...i doubt anyone will risk anything now.

Sordo in spain will be a nice spectacle.... :D

[tfp]

Er, have i missed something? Where is hirvonens stage time??

[tfp]

:vader:
Er, have i missed something? Where is hirvonens stage time??

His stage time suddenly shows up, silly wrc.com is making me look like a fool now :p

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/939/939_rallye_de_france_alsace_2011_36e0787f82.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/939/939_rallye_de_france_alsace_2011_e0479ce91f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/939/939_rallye_de_france_alsace_2011_212d2bb27e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/939/939_rallye_de_france_alsace_2011_9e901fa006.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/939/939_rallye_de_france_alsace_2011_9aa0692863.jpg

More photos from day 2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=939&fseason=2011)

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala still has a mathmatical chance of the championship, but he needs to win every rally remaining in 2011 (including France), win all the power stages, and for Loeb, Ogier and Hirvonen to score no points.

[janvanvurpa]

a Never been champion in the making...

once a sick dog forever a sick dog.....

Coming from a "Once a full of crap, never was anything in life ever, forever a full of crap, never will be anything in life".

What a worthless human being NOT seems.
Can't even trouble to remember what he spews from one hour to the next.

Is there an ignore function on this forum?

[wrc1600]

There should be a seperate section for them called " driver bashing" or something. Let them get on with it.
Or just don't follow it, it's really easy :)

[N.O.T]

Is there an ignore function on this forum?

yes there is, click on my name then view profile on the left there is an option (under the username) add to ignore list

Bye bye now.

[wrc1600]

Coming from a "Once a full of crap, never was anything in life ever, forever a full of crap, never will be anything in life".

What a worthless human being NOT seems.
Can't even trouble to remember what he spews from one hour to the next.

Is there an ignore function on this forum?
Unfortunately not but you can get used to ignore it. Some people are never happy especially if they sit at home in front of the screen and have not much interesting things to say. Probably have seen few (if any) rallies in live, never spoke to drivers or other spectatorson stages. Those who spectate even if they are not very happy about some things going on they still enjoy the rally spirit. It is a matter of choice.

[N.O.T]

Unfortunately not but you can get used to ignore it.

check above....

[Rallyper]

Very nice coverage of todays Leg on LIVE-TV. Including the pressconference and live pictures from service! Go on like that!

[N.O.T]

Probably have seen few (if any) rallies in live,

i never spectated a rally live...only from my pc screen...i think its better to sit home comfortably and watch the rally on the interwebs...

I also watch a lot of videos from rally racings...they are nice.

[dimviii]

ss wins
Citroen 13
Mini 2
Ford 2
with Loeb already out from ss3


2011 ss wins
Citroen 124
Ford 85

[rubla]

More photos from day 2 HERE[/B][/URL]

Really nice photos as always, many thanks!

I wonder what Tänak has been doing to damage his car front corners this way? He claims to have been driving safely, car doesnt look this way though, looks like ha has done some serious corner cutting :P

see pic no 45:
Rallye de France Alsace 2011 (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=939&fseason=2011#)

[dimviii]

Probably from poles.

[N.O.T]

Not many punctures on this rally...and the location is just a few kms from Germany....

And some still think the poles was about road preservation ???

[bluuford]

Really nice photos as always, many thanks!

I wonder what Tänak has been doing to damage his car front corners this way? He claims to have been driving safely, car doesnt look this way though, looks like ha has done some serious corner cutting :P

see pic no 45:
Rallye de France Alsace 2011 (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=939&fseason=2011#)

He had a puncture yesterday before the end of one of the stages, so it was probably partly caused by puncture.

[User]

A vid of Nokinov's crash is up at wrc.com ... It looks stupid

[Brother John]

Not many punctures on this rally...and the location is just a few kms from Germany....

And some still think the poles was about road preservation ???

Yes, you begin to understand what the French teams do.

[Viking]

A vid of Nokinov's crash is up at wrc.com ... It looks stupid

Evgeny...Evgeny...Evgeny and facepalm from Denis :D

[N.O.T]

Giraudet must be the nicest person ever...he sounds very dissapointed but also feels sorry for evgeny as well....what a great guy.

[ste898]

I think that's good news, because then Ford finally have a driver able to win the championship. I am guessing that Petter Solberg will move up to the Citroën works team and Hirvonen will replace Crash Meeke at Mini.

What would Citroen want with Hirvoslow?

[bluuford]

Information about stage 15: http://www.rallyedefrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/COC-DC-Decision-N5-DOC-3-10-S.pdf
Oliveiras co-driver was taken to hospital for just as a precaution.

and: http://www.rallyedefrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/COC-DC-Decision-N6-DOC-3-12-S.pdf

[uranium]

I'd like to suggest all critics to buy one of the cars e.g. DS3 and show everybody how fast are they...
To be honest it is boring to read all this babbling who is slow but who is very slow...

[Fri]

saturday pics:
rallysport.hu - Rally de France - szombat (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/10_francia/05_fri_szombat/index.htm)

[amaxopoulos]

sorry,i did not follow all the thread,what happened to hanninen today?

[N.O.T]

crashed

[uranium]

sorry,i did not follow all the thread,what happened to hanninen today?
Broken rear wheel :(

[Mirek]

sorry,i did not follow all the thread,what happened to hanninen today?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308986_1806302977674_1842925500_1185041_1248952870 _n.jpg

[amaxopoulos]

i suppose he will continue tomorrow....(since i see him on superrally)
will he take any points? or his chances now for swrc are less than tanak?

[Mirek]

It took three hours to repair. Now it's already ok. Yes, he can take points because there are so few cars in SWRC that every one takes points.

[Nornbugger]

What would Citroen want with Hirvoslow?

who? kids using the pc again?

[MR666]

A vid of Nokinov's crash is up at wrc.com ... It looks stupid

mmm looks like brain fade, hes got good speed just needs to keep it on the road.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Now that I'm catching up with the rally , I must say I'm very surprised by the pace of Kuipers ;) Also , not trying to generate any heat in here , but Matt Wilson is on his 84th WRC start consistenly slower than Ken Block ...

[focus206]

Now that I'm catching up with the rally , I must say I'm very surprised by the pace of Kuipers ;)

Kuipers is not bad at all on asphalt for a "gentleman" driver, in Germany was also 6th when he had a puncture. Good performance from Araujo too, they are going to fight for 6th place :)

[Juha_Koo]

Any footage of Meeke's or Oliveira's crash?

Some rumours going that Magalhaes has three broken ribs and was cut out of the car.

[N.O.T]

meekes crash was almost identical to martins crash in Corsica 2003 only this time the corner was a right hand one. I have seen external footage of it but cannot find them on youtube or the wrc.com webpage

Marko Martin Crash WRC Corsica 2003 Ford Focus - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMRhCURPs78)

Oliveiras crash was big one but no footage yet.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Kuipers is not bad at all on asphalt for a "gentleman" driver, in Germany was also 6th when he had a puncture. Good performance from Araujo too, they are going to fight for 6th place :)

Yes , Kuipers can put some pretty solid stage times on asphalt , I must say I'm surprised :) However , it must be noted that Deutschland and France are probably his strongest rallies in the calendar , since the stages are the most similar to his home stages . About Araujo , I expected a little more from a double PWRC champion during the whole season , especially because some people put him much higher than he really is . But here he's good , fighting with Henning who for me is the all-time symbol of mediocrity in the WRC level ( exception being on snow - he is at the top there ) , so I hope he will improve .

Also , mr. Muller says S2000 is too slow and weak for him ( Yvan Muller wants World Rally Car for next WRC appearance as S2000 too slow - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94989) ) . He should see what mr. Kubica had done with much less powerfull cars , which just proves he was an exception in the rule that circuit drivers aren't very good at rallying . Get well soon Robert !

[tfp]

Yes , Kuipers can put some pretty solid stage times on asphalt , I must say I'm surprised :) However , it must be noted that Deutschland and France are probably his strongest rallies in the calendar , since the stages are the most similar to his home stages . About Araujo , I expected a little more from a double PWRC champion during the whole season , especially because some people put him much higher than he really is . But here he's good , fighting with Henning who for me is the all-time symbol of mediocrity in the WRC level ( exception being on snow - he is at the top there ) , so I hope he will improve .

Also , mr. Muller says S2000 is too slow and weak for him ( Yvan Muller wants World Rally Car for next WRC appearance as S2000 too slow - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94989) ) . He should see what mr. Kubica had done with much less powerfull cars , which just proves he was an exception in the rule that circuit drivers aren't very good at rallying . Get well soon Robert !

I disagree...
Rally Antibes 2010 ss14 Kubica-Gerber - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVf_QNYQVK4)
Darkstar was very kind to send me this video, now one of my personal favourite onboards!
Also, research carlos reutteman - I had to ask a finnish guy(Eki?) 'cos I couldnt remember this circuit drivers name, but he was very good :)

Oh yes, France :) Will Ogier push for a power stage win?
I must say, I'm a little dissapointed with JML on these tarmac rounds (I let him off with germany, apparently he had problems with excessive visits to the lavatory or something :p :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

I disagree...
Rally Antibes 2010 ss14 Kubica-Gerber - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVf_QNYQVK4)
Darkstar was very kind to send me this video, now one of my personal favourite onboards!
Also, research carlos reutteman - I had to ask a finnish guy(Eki?) 'cos I couldnt remember this circuit drivers name, but he was very good :)

Oh yes, France :) Will Ogier push for a power stage win?
I must say, I'm a little dissapointed with JML on these tarmac rounds (I let him off with germany, apparently he had problems with excessive visits to the lavatory or something :p :)

My friend , read what I said ;) As you pointed put by bolding , I said that Kubica is an exception . Robert Kubica is my favourite rally driver ever , because whenever I saw him live ( and I had the luck to see him on 2 rallies in 2010 , 1000 Miglia and Alpi Orientali ) he left me absolutely spechless . Just watch this video at 1:09 ( Rallye du Var 2010 ES1 1ere partie.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SapLxqR6ms) ) and you will see what I mean . I am 100% sure that this man , if he wanted to , could be an tarmac winner in the WRC , and with gravel experience , who knows , maybe a champion ? That scenario I am afraid we will never see , and it is such a shame for a natural rally talent like him to take it as a hobby .

Why did I say that he is an exception in the rule that circuit drivers aren't very good at rallying ? Look at the last 2 F1 world champions that have tried in rallying : Kimi had a few impressive performances in the 2nd Italian league , but he mostly failed in anything higher . And Mika Hakkinen is simply bad at rallying .

[GigiGalliNo1]

Stage running yet? Or a bit late?

[GigiGalliNo1]

6.4 seconds between Sordo and Ogier now!! Sordo says he's down a bit with the dust in the stage! He tried pushing hard! 5 soft compound with one spare... Ogier with 2 spare tyres!

[GigiGalliNo1]

P Solberg also has dust problems.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Less than one hour till next stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Kuipers 2nd fastest in stage!

[KKS]

+5min penalty for Lemes? Just for speeding at road section? It's cruel punishment.

[MR666]

Kuipers 2nd fastest in stage!

A very good time.

[bluuford]

+5min penalty for Lemes? Just for speeding at road section? It's cruel punishment.

Cruel indeed, but 5 minutes has been stamp for many years. For the first speeding you cent financial punishment. That decision means that Lemes has practically lost a chance to wi a title. He has to win GB and 13 stages in GB and hope that Breen and Kaur fail to finish. So, basically it will be now between Kaur and Breen in GB

[jonkka]

+5min penalty for Lemes? Just for speeding at road section? It's cruel punishment.

Speeding is illegal.

[FAlonso]

Anyone knows the reason for Armindo's retirement in this stage? Gutted...should have been a nice fight with Dennis and Henning for 6th place.

[MR666]

All I can think looking back through the stage times is I wish Latvala had not gone off on the first leg.

[MR666]

Anyone knows the reason for Armindo's retirement in this stage? Gutted...should have been a nice fight with Dennis and Henning for 6th place.

"How the action unfolded:
The final day of Rallye de France Alsace has got off to a dramatic start with Armindo Araujo retiring his MINI John Cooper Works WRC less than half a kilometre into the fog-hit opening test.
The Portuguese ace, Production Car world champion in 2009 and 2010, began day three in seventh position but hit trouble when he clipped a wall on a right-hand corner. He was able to continue but ground to a halt at the 400-metre mark."

World Rally Championship - News - SS18: Araujo crashes, Sordo closes up (http://www.wrc.com/news/ss18-araujo-crashes-sordo-closes-up/?fid=15511)

[GigiGalliNo1]

P Solberg +20.4sec down on OGIER

[AP-Racing]

Wow....greatest result for Dennis and Ken

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogier 4.9sec lead on Sordo

[AP-Racing]

Go Dani Go