2011 WRC Rally Mexico

[N.O.T]

same problem as Loeb for solberg no splits...

[pettersolberg29]

SOLBERG H. / MINOR I. "I filled powersteering with brake fluid. But then brake pipe broke, I did last 10 km with pedal like this." rally.cz

He was crazy at the stage end! Even for Henning he was animated.

[Mirek]

However I’ve a feeling that you don’t wont Juho to overtake Prokop for some reason. ;)

It's exactly opposite for some reason ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg P stopped on stage ??? :confused:


Edit: reached the end with a 11" loss :mark:

[dimviii]

It's exactly opposite for some reason ;)
lol

[N.O.T]

broken gear lever after a jump and a spin.....

[N.O.T]

solberg 11 seconds slower than latvala...

[Sulland]

Not very reliable yet any of the two cars !

[bluuford]

well, there is a big jump and many cars lost GPS after that jump. Sounds logical.

[N.O.T]

yes...actually solberg said that he spun in the air.....do not know what he ment to say....

[Halvis]

solberg 11 seconds slower than latvala...

...but actually faster than him from split2 and in...

Must have had a spin as you said.

[6789]

Congratulations to JML and Ford!

[N.O.T]

indeed congratulations....LOL the way things are we are going to consider a triumph for them to win stages rather than rallies...

[vkangas]

By the way Juho said in finnish TV that he thinks he would not be in SWRC if Volkswagen group did not have any future plans for WRC. The announcement is most propably really close...

[Co-driven]

Another penalization for Solberg on stage 17. Now he has 50 seconds of penalty.

SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON Ch. (st. č. 11) "Have problem with broken gear lever. Big jump in the middle on wrong gear. Big moment. Car wan't start before the stage." Maybe that's the reason, the car wouldn't start before the stage and made them get late at TC.

[bluuford]

Yes, it made today quite interesting for me. This penalty for Loeb, then better road position and big fightback. Good drive by Ogier and cheering for Latvala to take Fords first stage win :-) I guess that there is a big possibility to shine on power stage for Latvala as well. He can save tires during the first two stages (while Sebs have to fight with each other) and then give it all on power stage. Logical thinking says that the only real contender for him will be Solberg (at power stage).
And I also noticed that there is 62 km with the same tires tomorrow, so tires will be quite worn by the last stage.

Which I also noticed from the interview in the morning that Wilson has sent some kind of tender regarding Ogier case yesterday. So, this case might not be finished yet as well.

And SWRC list is short but it seems to come very interesting final day. Hopefully Kruuda´s Skoda lasts until the finish ramp tomorrow (looks like it has got double heat shock after several winter rallies :-P). And hopefully MM-Motorsport is able to get Tänak´s car out from the valley and fix it by tomorrow, so the boy can regain some confidence before the next rally.

[OldF]

IMO Tänak will have a good future if taking into account the speed.

[6789]

indeed congratulations....LOL the way things are we are going to consider a triumph for them to win stages rather than rallies...

LOL

[Fri]

Video from Dennis Kuipers crash:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/video/011-rshu_mexico_rally_2011_kuipers_bukas.htm

[tfp]

Yes, it made today quite interesting for me. This penalty for Loeb, then better road position and big fightback. Good drive by Ogier and cheering for Latvala to take Fords first stage win :-) I guess that there is a big possibility to shine on power stage for Latvala as well. He can save tires during the first two stages (while Sebs have to fight with each other) and then give it all on power stage. Logical thinking says that the only real contender for him will be Solberg (at power stage).
And I also noticed that there is 62 km with the same tires tomorrow, so tires will be quite worn by the last stage.

Which I also noticed from the interview in the morning that Wilson has sent some kind of tender regarding Ogier case yesterday. So, this case might not be finished yet as well.

And SWRC list is short but it seems to come very interesting final day. Hopefully Kruuda´s Skoda lasts until the finish ramp tomorrow (looks like it has got double heat shock after several winter rallies :-P). And hopefully MM-Motorsport is able to get Tänak´s car out from the valley and fix it by tomorrow, so the boy can regain some confidence before the next rally.

Do we know what(if anything) is going to happen to Ogier? Why has Petter had another time penalty??? Finaly a ford stage win:-) Makes you think if they really have caught up with citroen on high altitude rally's...

[6789]

Do we know what(if anything) is going to happen to Ogier? Why has Petter had another time penalty??? Finaly a ford stage win:-) Makes you think if they really have caught up with citroen on high altitude rally's...
No penalty for Ogier

Solberg couldn;t get the DS3 started before the stage and was 2 mins late to the time control

[rjbetty]

Matty:

“This has definitely been one of the best performances for me,” he said. “From the first stage, we were up there setting good times"

[sonnyc4]

Matty:

“This has definitely been one of the best performances for me,” he said. “From the first stage, we were up there setting good times"


If you call 30+ seconds on the first stage "good times" then yeah he's right lol

[bluuford]

Well, everything went as I expected:
http://www.rallymexico.com/official/Document%20No.%202.4.pdf

[dimviii]

some photos
http://media.rallymexico.com/gallery.php

[alleskids]

Is this serieuosly? Only 13 finisher so far after day 2?

[bluuford]

Well looking the new circumstances that autosport reveals (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89762), then Ogier should be really greatful to the stewards :-) If he wins he should present his champagne to the stewards ;-)

However, I am bit happy about this decision and hope that everybody will be treated like that in the future. Rally is not like F1 where all the result are changed after every race/qualification due to someone speaking too loud, making too many turns, driving too slow etc.

[Xsara Fan]

Photos from service - Novikov`s out... http://www.almrally.ru/english/info/4808/

[Brother John]

My thought If Ogier would win this rally It is not earned but a gift!!!


Despite video evidence: Ogier unpunished
New images shed new light on the case, Sebastien Ogier. Despite clear evidence remains of French unpunished.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/top/topnews/d16/d/2011/03/06/trotz-videobeweis-ogier-straffrei-kopie-1/index.html

[Francis44]

Gift?! Are you serious?! Ogier still leads despite cleaning the longest day of the rally and you call it gift, yeah sure.

[Camelopard]

My thought If Ogier would win this rally It is not earned but a gift!!!


Despite video evidence: Ogier unpunished
New images shed new light on the case, Sebastien Ogier. Despite clear evidence remains of French unpunished.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/top/topnews/d16/d/2011/03/06/trotz-videobeweis-ogier-straffrei-kopie-1/index.html


Just like loeb was not punished for the alleged push start and using outside assistance in Sweden...... ho hum!

Maybe the stewards are too afraid to upset quesnel in case he starts crying again! :)


You can call me a cynic, but maybe I'm just a realist!!!!!!!!!

[Ondra WRC]

Video from big crisis for Petter Solberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiYNlS4d6R8&feature=feedu

[Rallyper]

I think Ogier case is a bit ridicoulous. He is fastest and can be able to win. The small incident is nothing sportswise. Ford winning or gaining places on that matter should not be good.

On the other hand Loeb´s push start in Sweden was much more violent to the rules and should be ruled for what it was.

[garais22]

Can some one give me please link, where can I watch Power stage?

Thanks

[Ondra WRC]

Can some one give me please link, where can I watch Power stage?

Thanks
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=108025&part=sports

[ARF]

I think Ogier case is a bit ridicoulous. He is fastest and can be able to win. The small incident is nothing sportswise. Ford winning or gaining places on that matter should not be good.

On the other hand Loeb´s push start in Sweden was much more violent to the rules and should be ruled for what it was.

Actually Ogier's mistake in Mexico was worse. Just saw the incident on motorstv filmed by some spectator. He might consider himself really lucky, anybody else would've been excluded in that case.

[ProRally]

Morning all, of to the service park for final day 3 in Rally Mexico.
Interesting to see how top 3 will be and nice fight in SWRC.

[Rallyper]

Actually Ogier's mistake in Mexico was worse. Just saw the incident on motorstv filmed by some spectator. He might consider himself really lucky, anybody else would've been excluded in that case.

The service staff to be touching the car? Come on! It didnt affect the time(s) on special stages, or in what way would it gain Ogier? If not anything more offensive happened that I dont know about so then what?

[Barreis]

Regulations are regulations but it's good for rally..

[Rallyper]

Regulations are regulations but it's good for rally..

For the spirit of sporting the decision was good. Try to see beyond the letter of rule.

[6789]

It didn't compromise the competition in anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. Julien wasn't in the car with Seb but?

[Bobcat]

Regulations are regulations but it's good for rally..

For the spirit of sporting the decision was good. Try to see beyond the letter of rule.
"it's good for rally.."
"For the spirit of sporting the decision was good."

LOL, that's only BS
It isn't good for the sport!!!

[Barreis]

Maybe he'll be panalised after the rally..

[Francis44]

Well then the problem starts with the regulations, what's wrong in getting the incorrect turn for 1 time?! If drivers want to get out of course to get a burguer at MCDonalds or whatever they should be able to do it, it's no one else business.


Maybe he'll be panalised after the rally..

The decision as been already made, dont get your hopes up.

[Barreis]

I don't like ford boys but let's better win..

[Mirek]

"it's good for rally.."
"For the spirit of sporting the decision was good."

LOL, that's only bull.s.h.i.t.

It isn't good for the sport!!!

Ford isn't on the loosing side in this rally because of a jack under Ogier's car for few seconds but because they have managed to win only one stage out of nineteen so far. That's what matters. OK, it's not according to rules but the real problem of the championship is that Ford is slow here and disqualifying Ogier would not change it.

[Bobcat]

I don't like Citroen's boys and with their FIA games! The rules for all!!!

[bluuford]

Well, normally yes, but when you drive directly to service, park your car and mechanics are putting jacks under the car..that is a bit further than taking a cup of coffee on a long road section.

Well as a virtual spectator I am happy. It would have been really boring to watch Loeb cruising in the middle of the road for a couple of days.
But team managers explanations was a bit silly "there were no marshals pointing the right direction and it was confusing" You cannot have marshals on every corner, not even in Mexico :-)

Couple of years ago one competitor (in Estonian Championship) asked me how to get back to the start for a second city stage pass :-) The co-driver was completely lost :-P In such cases it is normal that you don't need to investigate anything:-)
But the decision is done and we have to respect it! And we can use the decision in the future to solve similar situations.

The first cars is just about to start the day!!!!!!!!!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wish the new young guns (Russian and the new Fiesta kid) continued the rally.. Even finishing in 5-6-7th positions!!

[Salist]

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=108025&part=sports

many thanks for the link!

[N.O.T]

if you go by the book then 99% of all the crews would be disqualified....at first when i heard about ogier i would like him to be excluded, but the actual incident involved 10-50 meters maximum, it would be ridiculous to exclude him or take any kind of action against him.

so i will instead satisfy my thirst with bobcats bitter tears...they taste nice.

[alleskids]

For the spirit of sporting the decision was good. Try to see beyond the letter of rule.

It would even be better for the spirit of the game if all drivers could get a change to hurry up to the service crew and quickly fix their problems and then quickly rejoin the rally. So nobody would loose time due to stupid things like mecanical trouble and regulation. Because regulations and mecanical trouble are bad for the (motor)sport. Whe disqualify a driver for wearing good glows, even when their homologation is expired, but let a top professional driver slip to the service crew, hand over his time card and get away with it?
The FIA should then forgive every driver who clocks in too soon or too late. be an angel and forgive them their silly mistake. Ogier made a very big mistake and should be penelized, no matter the car, the team the nationality or his champion position. You say that regulations are ruining the spirit of sport?

[Barreis]

One meter earlier in time control is 1 minute penalty so if you go to service park instead of regrouping it must be a penalty.. Maybe after rally..

[Bobcat]

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/citroen_team_summoned_to_stewards/
http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/no_action_against_ogier/

Yeah FIA's Citroen "Sport", sorry, Racing now. :love:

[uranium]

30.5.1 Crews must check-in in the correct sequence of controls and in the direction of the rally route,
under pain of exclusion pronounced by the clerk of the course.

No comments

[Rallyper]

It would even be better for the spirit of the game if all drivers could get a change to hurry up to the service crew and quickly fix their problems and then quickly rejoin the rally. So nobody would loose time due to stupid things like mecanical trouble and regulation. Because regulations and mecanical trouble are bad for the (motor)sport. Whe disqualify a driver for wearing good glows, even when their homologation is expired, but let a top professional driver slip to the service crew, hand over his time card and get away with it?
The FIA should then forgive every driver who clocks in too soon or too late. be an angel and forgive them their silly mistake. Ogier made a very big mistake and should be penelized, no matter the car, the team the nationality or his champion position. You say that regulations are ruining the spirit of sport?

I remember too what happened a few years ago in Finland, the issue about wearing clothes, making some drivers excluded. Compared to that you are right. No doubt. But then you compare and make conclusions that cannot be a result of the Ogier-mistake.

So - lets not make this a big issue, because its not.

[N.O.T]

BoooooooHoooooooooo

BooooooHoooooooo

BooooooHooooooooo

the citroens are beating us like no tommorow...please daddy do something...they are ridiculing us.....

BoooooHoooooooooo

BooooooooooHooooooooo

BooooooooooooHooooooooo

you want to see rallies being won by exclusions and no driving skills.....pathetic.

[MikeD]

Sometimes it amazes me just how bitter some of the Ford fans are in here. It's not pretty....

[Rallyper]

For once N.O.T. and I are completely agreed in the matter of Ogier, despite we are great Ford fans....?

[Francis44]

Not long untill the start.

[Mise]

I think they should give penalties to Hirvonen and Latvala,
cause they were in the right place and not there where Ogier was.
But on the other hand, since Loeb is gonna win this
and every other rally this season what's the point.

[bluuford]

NOOOOO! This rally belongs to Oggie!

[N.O.T]

3 minutes until the start....

[Bobcat]

BoooooooHoooooooooo

BooooooHoooooooo

BooooooHooooooooo

the citroens are beating us like no tommorow...please daddy do something...they are ridiculing us.....

BoooooHoooooooooo

BooooooooooHooooooooo

BooooooooooooHooooooooo

you want to see rallies being won by exclusions and no driving skills.....pathetic.
Your driving skills are swindling skills, yes, it is very pathetic.

[Hartusvuori]

We are live.

[bluuford]

Going back to yesterday..no second time penalty Solberg in WRC.com

[Salist]

Ogier on the road.

[N.O.T]

Loeb 0.7 slower on the 1st split....

[N.O.T]

oi oi oi -1.7 on the second....

[RallyTyger]

Ogier stopped in the stage

[hari]

Ogier stopped

[Mirek]

Ogier stopped

[Salist]

Ogier stoped on stage!

[N.O.T]

time for champagne in the ford camp....

[N.O.T]

ogier off the road.

[RallyTyger]

Ogier went off the road they say

[Barreis]

It was ford police who stopped him.. :D

[Zico]

Ogier stopped on stage!


Off the road or team orders on only the second event of the season?

I feel so sorry for Ogier..

[Rallyper]

So Salomonic justice came up at the end...

[N.O.T]

Team orders on only the second event of the season? I feel so sorry for Ogier


he had an accident.....

[RallyTyger]

Ogier broke one front wheel... so no team orders or anything... an (unfortunate and probably stupid) accident

[MikeD]

Broken front wheel for Ogier...

[bluuford]

Seems like Hirvonen and Jari Matti ar driving for Power stage victory..

[N.O.T]

no power stage for him as well.....disaster for him and now Loeb is No1 driver for this season as well.....

[MikeD]

Massive blow for Citroën's Manufacturer' championship. Dammit :(

[serial jeff]

Brutal :( He'd been showing impressive driving this weekend. So close to the finish!

But to be honest, I'm pretty disappointed that Ogier gets off free with that infraction just because he's on the Citroen factory team.

I don't think he deserves the penalty because it's a silly rule to have and it should be changed; but the fact is that it's a rule, and unless I'm interpreting it wrong, he broke it. Why he isn't getting penalised for it when a non-factory car would likely get a penalty or even excluded is ridiculous.

[Francis44]

Damn I was hoping for a championship fight now it's pretty much over.

[MikeD]

Jep, that just put him in the second driver spot. There are no room for rookie mistakes in the works team.

[Mirek]

...or team orders on only the second event of the season?

Don't be so paranoid mate ;)

[Bobcat]

So Salomonic justice came up at the end... Right.

[Rallyper]

Colin at WRR had a good point - if Ogier would have been penalized yesterday hed never gone off.

[Hartusvuori]

Colin at WRR had a good point - if Ogier would have been penalized yesterday hed never gone off.

Care to explain? I can't listen to WRR right now.

[N.O.T]

he would be second and nothing to fight for.....so no accident

[Rallyper]

Care to explain? I can't listen to WRR right now.

Hed got one minute penalty and could have cruised to the second place. According to Colins comment.

[Hartusvuori]

Hed got one minute penalty and could have cruised to the second place. According to Colins comment.

You can have an accident while cruising, so that logic isn't waterproof. But the main point for me is: shame. I like Ogier talent and the fact that he can keep a lead while sweeping. This wouldn't have been necessarily an easy win for Seb1 - but now it is.

[bluuford]

Latvala nearly won his second stage 0.1 slower than Loeb :-P

[Rallyper]

Everyone is cruising right now...

[A.F.F.]

Everyone is cruising right now...

Until the power stage...

Well well, looks like Mikko is scoring good amount of points and continue leading the championship. Not bad from a sick dog :)

[Ucci]

Mikko is saving tyres for the Power Stage. He lost almost 20 seconds compare to Loeb&JML, this is I think the only reason for not pushing hard....
But shame for young Ogier, it would be interseting to see smile on Mikko&JML&Wilson senior's face.....

[bluuford]

Looks like Block is going to score one point here, bearing in mind the fact that Ogier has been stopped nearly 30 minutes already.
So, powerstage.. I think that Loeb takes it very sensibly. He is the last remaining official Citroen and he has to make sure to finish and keep the car in the middle of the road and hope that Solberg takes maximum points on powerstage.

[Juha_Koo]

Just arrived home from a rallysprint, ate some chicken and came to check the results. Bloody incredible.

Should I start a thread "Time's up for Ogier"... :D ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Looks like Block is going to score one point here.

That would be his 3rd championship point.

[A.F.F.]

I don't know how long is Mr. Quesnel able to guarantee equal treatment for Loeb and Ogier ?? Having two hungry drivers in one team can be bad for the business......

[A.F.F.]

Just arrived home from a rallysprint, ate some chicken and came to check the results. Bloody incredible.

Should I start a thread "Time's up for Ogier"... :D ;)

I'm amazed such a thread isnt' there already ?? :eek:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can someone care to post top 5 positions right now? Who is leading?

[N.O.T]

ok we had the bitter ford kids..... now we have the bitter finnish kids.....let ogier have the same experience as latvala then i will start such a thread...now go cry in the corner with bobcat and the rest.

[N.O.T]

Loeb-Hirvonen-Latvala-Solberg-Ostberg

[bluuford]

Loeb was somehow really distracted by the fact that Ogier went off.. so maybe mr Q told him not to push Ogier today :-P

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "I was not happy to see him there. He is my teammate. No team orders. But I have to push. I wanted to fight."

[A.F.F.]

ok we had the bitter ford kids..... now we have the bitter finnish kids.....let ogier have the same experience as latvala then i will start such a thread...now go cry in the corner with bobcat and the rest.

Sorry Mr. Mousefart, as I look around... can't see anybody crying :D

[N.O.T]

no mirrors where you are ?

[dimviii]

Pitty for Ogier as he had a very good rally till tis ss.
Loeb now the absolute king in Citroen Sport.Even if Quesnel seems that ''likes'' Ogier more than Loeb,now he can t let Ogier to attack Loeb in future rallies.Citroen sport after the not good rally in Sweden(in term of points) are not going to collect so much points in Mexico.So must play safe in next rallies without leting drivers attacking each other....and this is not good for us.
Another point is psycology of Ogier.Like that wasn t Latvala in his early days?Too fast but not always safe.Hope to be more lucky than Jari.

[A.F.F.]

Pitty for Ogier as he had a very good rally till tis ss.
Loeb now the absolute king in Citroen Sport.Even if Quesnel seems that ''likes'' Ogier more than Loeb,now he can t let Ogier to attack Loeb in future rallies.Citroen sport after the not good rally in Sweden(in term of points) are not going to collect so much points in Mexico.So must play safe in next rallies without leting drivers attacking each other....and this is not good for us.
Another point is psycology of Ogier.Like that wasn t Latvala in his early days?Too fast but not always safe.Hope to be more lucky than Jari.

The problem however will be how is he going to sell that order to Ogier ??? Seems that Ogier is a kinda of a guy who doesn't swallow that kind of order without biting..... like he shouldn't :mark:

[Francis44]

Please do not compare Ogier and Latvala, Latvala in official team wasn't able most of the times to reach the end of the first day.

[dimviii]

I don't know how long is Mr. Quesnel able to guarantee equal treatment for Loeb and Ogier ?? Having two hungry drivers in one team can be bad for the business......

I can say that Ogiers exit was Quesnels mistake.You can t leave your 2 drivers while they are minutes in front of competition to have a dogfight among them.
ok maybe he likes young Ogier more,but 7 world championships from Loeb cant be forgoten with ease.and now he pays his stupidity.my 2 cents

[N.O.T]

what indication you have and you say that ogier will not comply ??

[A.F.F.]

Off the topic, does anybody remember how stormy was service area back in the days when Delecour was ordered to move in front of Panizzi?? They almost wrestled there.... Hopefully Loeb and Ogier have a little less temperament :)

[N.O.T]

At citroen the general rule all these years is to let the drivers fight until someone got the upper hand....Loeb is going to be champion for the 8th concecutive year...Ogier will be second. The rest are going to feed off their tablescraps....as usual. Fords only chnace to do anything this year is simply to withdraw Wilsons budget and push it towards the development of the car.

[Francis44]

Well Citroen has to deal very gently with both drivers, if they start applying orders to Ogier he seems like the kind of guy with will to leave and go to VW if they enter.

[dimviii]

The problem however will be how is he going to sell that order to Ogier ??? Seems that Ogier is a kinda of a guy who doesn't swallow that kind of order without biting..... like he shouldn't :mark:

Dont think so that Ogier can t swallow orders.I think that you cant swallow orders only when your manager allows you.Remember last year when Ogier allowed to win in front of Loeb without the championships were safe for Citroen?Quesnels push for Ogier were obvious for me long time ago.

[N.O.T]

Well Citroen has to deal very gently with both drivers, if they start applying orders to Ogier he seems like the kind of guy with will to leave and go to VW if they enter.

no...

[A.F.F.]

what indication you have and you say that ogier will not comply ??

Is this question for me?

If it is, I base my assumption purely by the statements Ogier has made to the media, that is he won't tolerate the same treatment Sordo had a second driver.

[serial jeff]

I doubt there's much worry about Ogier leaving Citroen... they're still his best chance for victory. If VW enters they likely won't be competitive for a year or two at least, and by then Loeb might be retired anyways. Regardless, I think Loeb is still the faster driver. Ogier is quick, but he's no Loeb.

[dimviii]

what indication you have and you say that ogier will not comply ??

Comply means? Sorry didn t understant

[N.O.T]

the quote was for AFF

comply = symorfothei

[A.F.F.]

the quote was for AFF

comply = symorfothei

And I answered.

[kobefly]

Results after SS20:

1) Loeb [Citroen] 3:33:13,3
2) Hirvonen [Ford] +1:37,8
3) Latvala [Ford] +2:33,4
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +7:04,5
5) Ostberg [Ford] +8:28,5
6) Solberg, H. [Ford] +9:24,0
7) Block [Ford] +43:38,8
8) Villagra [Ford] +45:42,6

No fights, only Power Stage keeps the interest.

[N.O.T]

Is this question for me?

If it is, I base my assumption purely by the statements Ogier has made to the media, that is he won't tolerate the same treatment Sordo had a second driver.

finnish media i presume ???

[dimviii]

Well Citroen has to deal very gently with both drivers, if they start applying orders to Ogier he seems like the kind of guy with will to leave and go to VW if they enter.

That would be suicide.he is very young,and Loeb has no more than 1 or maybe 2 years.You don t leave best team without serious reasons for something with unknown reliability/speed/treatment.

[Bobcat]

ok we had the bitter ford kids..... now we have the bitter finnish kids.....let ogier have the same experience as latvala then i will start such a thread...now go cry in the corner with bobcat and the rest.
Said the foolish and bitter Greek child... F.Y.

[dimviii]

hanninen 22,4 sec beside Prokop.Will he catch him?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This is rallying - accidents happen whether team-mates are racing or opposing teams racing each other...

No-one to blame but Ogier.

Nice for Ford to get good points after a tough rally, punctures and roadsweeping.

[A.F.F.]

finnish media i presume ???

You presume wrongly. International media. And I'm surprised if you have missed his comments?

Anyway, I think this deserves own thread. This is getting way off topic from Mexico rally....

[blownb310]

I'd like to see Ogier switch teams with Wilslow. That would even things up a bit.

[Rallyper]

Ogier is a tuff guy. He wont take orders from Mr Quesnel at any time. At least he might take order as they were spoken but drive as he want anyway.

[Francis44]

What if Ogier contract explicitly said no orders?!

[A.F.F.]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89769

For mr.Mousefart.

[A.F.F.]

Sorry, wrong link.

This is the right one : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89763

[N.O.T]

i see no quote of Ogier there....

[A.F.F.]

Yes, I can post you a link later on. I have to dig from the past, at the start of the season. Takes a while :mark:

[kobefly]

Stage Winners up to now:

Manufacturers: Citroen 19 / Ford 1
Drivers: Loeb 9 / Ogier & Solberg P. 5 / Latvala 1

1) 20:06 - Guanajuato Street Stage [1,05 km] - Solberg, P. (Citroen)
2) 8:43 - Alfaro [26,01 km] - Ogier (Citroen)
3) 10:16 - Ortega [23,83 km] - Ogier (Citroen)
4) 11:04 - El Cubilete [18,87 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
5) 12:12 - Coca-Cola Street Stage [1,33 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
6) 13:47 - Alfaro [26,01 km] - Ogier (Citroen)
7) 15:20 - Ortega [23,83 km] - Ogier (Citroen)
8) 16:08 - El Cubilete [18,87 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
9) 19:45 - Super Special [2,21 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
10) 19:50 - Super Special [2,21 km] - Ogier (Citroen)
11) 8:54 - Ibarrilla [29,90 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
12) 10:17 - Duarte [23,27 km] - Solberg, P. (Citroen)
13) 11:08 - Derramadero [23,28 km] - Solberg, P. (Citroen)
14) 12:11 - Coca-Cola Street Stage [1,33 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
15) 13:57 - Ibarrilla [29,90 km] - Solberg, P. (Citroen)
16) 15:20 - Duarte [23,27 km] - Solberg, P. (Citroen)
17) 16:11 - Derramadero [23,28 km] - Latvala (Ford)
18) 19:43 - Super Special [2,21 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
19) 19:48 - Super Special [2,21 km] - Loeb (Citroen)
20) 8:28 - Guanajuatito [29,13 km] - Loeb (Citroen)

[A.F.F.]

But this is for you, like you didn't know already, that Quesnel has promised both drivers equal chance of winning and that there are no number 1 driver in the team. Do you honestly think Ogier wouldn't use that statement as a proof he won't be lowered to second driver?

[Salist]

Loeb on stage.

[Marre]

could someone post link to working live stream of the powerstage.

[N.O.T]

But this is for you, like you didn't know already, that Quesnel has promised both drivers equal chance of winning and that there are no number 1 driver in the team. Do you honestly think Ogier wouldn't use that statement as a proof he won't be lowered to second driver?

i think when someone makes you a millionare and gives you the best chance to win a championship not for 1 year but for the future...you just dance to the rythm. And in citroen there was never a No1 when the season started so i doubt ogier used sordo in his quote....if he did he is stupid.

[N.O.T]

still 1 hour to the power stage

[bluuford]

So, who is going to win the stage ? Hänninen?

[belas]

http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9

[A.F.F.]

i think when someone makes you a millionare and gives you the best chance to win a championship not for 1 year but for the future...you just dance to the rythm. And in citroen there was never a No1 when the season started so i doubt ogier used sordo in his quote....if he did he is stupid.

When everybody knew Sordo wasn't allowed to win on tarmac if Loeb was even remotely nearby? I don't consider Ogier stupid. I think he is talented, young, hungry and full of self esteem to beat Loeb and wants to challenge him with the support of his team, team Citroen.

[N.O.T]

When everybody knew Sordo wasn't allowed to win on tarmac if Loeb was even remotely nearby? I don't consider Ogier stupid. I think he is talented, young, hungry and full of self esteem to beat Loeb and wants to challenge him with the support of his team, team Citroen.

team order were applied later int he season not at the start...

This year the difference in the cars is very big so i think we will have no team orders to define positions only to sustain current positions

[serial jeff]

But this is for you, like you didn't know already, that Quesnel has promised both drivers equal chance of winning and that there are no number 1 driver in the team. Do you honestly think Ogier wouldn't use that statement as a proof he won't be lowered to second driver?

I think Quesnel meant the drivers were equal before the season started... and he proved that was true by letting this fight happen. Now that Loeb (presumably) has a big lead in the championship, it'd be illogical to not label him the no1 driver, unless he crashes out of a future rally and the points become even again.

That said, should Ogier disregard team orders, there's not much Quesnel can really do about it. He needs Ogier for the manu championship because there's nobody else that can beat the Fords, except for Petter- and Petter certainly won't listen to team orders. But in the long term it'd probably be an unwise career move.

[Mirek]

hanninen 22,4 sec beside Prokop.Will he catch him?

No, it's too much.

[A.F.F.]

team order were applied later int he season not at the start...

This year the difference in the cars is very big so i think we will have no team orders to define positions only to sustain current positions

Fair enough.... What happens, we'll see by the end of the season.

[dimviii]

No, it's too much.

i think is 50-50 if he try.Will he risk at first swrc rally?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

could someone post link to working live stream of the powerstage.

A few here: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=108025&part=sports

[Marre]

http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9

Tanks!

[bluuford]

Seems that Latvala decided to take his second stage.

[dimviii]

Seems that Latvala decided to take his second stage.

or to company Ogier..can t understant the reason,don t want to save tyres for power stage? wtf

[bluuford]

Well, it is already third time to pass that stage. It might look like tarmac already, so maybe Ford wants to know if worn tires are better for such a stage? or maybe Wilson told him to drive safe (to make sure at least one Ford is on the podium) on powerstage and quarantee 21 points and healthy championship lead to Mikko.

[Salist]

Petters time???

[Mirek]

Just a small question. Can the cars now drive without mudflaps?

[N.O.T]

solberg out ??

[N.O.T]

ah ok timing error he finished the stage.

[bluuford]

Hänninen in trouble?

[Mirek]

i think is 50-50 if he try.Will he risk at first swrc rally?

Looks like he tried and did a mistake...

[Rallyper]

I was mentioned on WRR by Becs!! :bounce:

[uranium]

Looks like Hanninen has chosen safe style.

[Mirek]

No, that's not his style. This is some big problem.

[bluuford]

Block still has a chance to loose his point to Villagra if he continues like that..

[kobefly]

Problems for Block?

[bluuford]

No, that's not his style. This is some big problem.

Definitely big problem... to loose 50 sec in two splits.. sound more like IRC 2wd champion not IRC champion.

[N.O.T]

10 minutes until the power stage

[dimviii]

there is no voice damn!

[kobefly]

Block los 20 minutes on SS21 but he was able to finish the stage. Villagra is now in 7th.

Power Stage starts in 3'.

[belas]

Try this:
http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9
It's working perfectly - it was the same in Sweden

[tolis]

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-guanajuato-mexico/stage-times/
Villagra is 10th!

[Co-driven]

Try this:
http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9
It's working perfectly - it was the same in Sweden

I'm watching it here, but it isn't 100%.

[kobefly]

Results before Power Stage:

1) Loeb [Citroen] 3:48:34,5
2) Hirvonen [Ford] +1:40,5
3) Latvala [Ford] +2:23,5
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +7:18,4
5) Ostberg [Ford] +8:37,7
6) Solberg, H. [Ford] +9:43,0
7) Villagra [Ford] +47:00,1
8) Block [Ford] +1:03:50,8

[dimviii]

Try this:
http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9
It's working perfectly - it was the same in Sweden

voice fixed!

[René]

I'm watching it here, but it isn't 100%.

Maybe this one ???

http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/0/56/v-205681.html

[N.O.T]

reverse order....villagra started the live stage.

[N.O.T]

problem for villagra....

[kobefly]

Gear box stuck for Villagra?

[Josti]

problem for villagra....

I can't believe those commentators don't get that immediately.

[bluuford]

looks like 2nd gear only

[uranium]

SWRC driver are not driving power stage?

[N.O.T]

the commentators are pathetic

[dimviii]

I can't believe those commentators don't get that immediately.

They are still asking if he is on problems!!lol

[Josti]

the commentators are pathetic

Yeah, it's idiotic.

[Co-driven]

Maybe this one ???

http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/0/56/v-205681.html

Thanks, better one for me!!

[N.O.T]

reverse order for the first 15 ?

[markf8691]

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but for UK viewers, has there been coverage of day 3 highlights? I know this morning there was coverage of day 2 and now its the power stage, have i missed something?

dunno how the commentators couldnt see or hear that Villagra had a problem...

[N.O.T]

nice drive by hanninen

[tolis]

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but for UK viewers, has there been coverage of day 3 highlights? I know this morning there was coverage of day 2 and now its the power stage, have i missed something?
No, day 3 coverage is tomorrow!!!

[kobefly]

Villagra had suspensions problems. He still managed to clich 7th at least.

[dimviii]

Hannien roled on previous stage?

[uranium]

No, that's not his style. This is some big problem.

Yes, you were right. As far as I understood from commentators, he had small accident on the last stage.
Thanks God he finished!

[Mirek]

Yes, he rolled on previous stage.

[uranium]

From wrc.com

The Finn rolled lightly on the penultimate stage.

[Sulland]

Petter beat Latvala, lets see about the next Ford !

[Francis44]

Well it seems Mikko has realised that he has to put the foot down.

[uranium]

He is fastest!

[MartijnS]

Excellent Miko! :D

[N.O.T]

Mikko wins it !!! nice....very aggresive drive by him.

Loeb took it steady.

[Mirek]

How is pointing when two have same time?

[Co-driven]

Loeb and Petter same time. Who takes the 2 points?

[pettersolberg29]

1.5 points each?

[uranium]

No, both of them must run once more ;-)

[Salist]

Loeb and Petter same time. Who takes the 2 points?

its a good question!

[uranium]

Loeb has 2 points
Probably it depends on overall position

[vkangas]

How is pointing when two have same time?

Measuring accuracy is 0,001 seconds in Power Stage, but only tenths are shown.

[Barreis]

Live tv - power stage.. :) ))

[Mirek]

Measuring accuracy is 0,001 seconds in Power Stage, but only tenths are shown.

Thanks

[N.O.T]

nice rally overall.... Loeb back on track and with Hirvonen and Latvala sweeping the roads in portugal, another easy 1-2-3 for citroen if not incidents happen....

Nice drive by hirvonen as well on the power stage.

[RallyTyger]

Championship standings (if I've calculated right ;) )

1. M. HIRVONEN 46
2. S. LOEB 37
3. J. LATVALA 31
4. M. OSTBERG 28
5. P. SOLBERG 23
6. S. OGIER 15
7. H. Solberg 8
8. P. ANDERSSON 6
9. N. AL-ATTIYAH 6
10. K. RAIKKONEN 4
11. M. PROKOP 4
12. M. WILSON 2
13. J. HÄNNINEN 2
14. K. AL QASSIMI 1
15. F. VILLAGRA 1

[Ucci]

Yesssssss, Loeb won!!! Congra to him and the whole team. Again, he showed who the master is!! Without no shadow of a doubt....
About this rally: as it showed, this new cars are not so realible as they were on Sweden. There are still many details to work on. Sorry for Ogier. Anyway, Mikko again in his style, no attack, yust crusing, as we said, this is no way to be a champion. I expected more from him.
So, still a beautiful day for Citroen fans!!
See you in Portugal.

[bluuford]

Another 1,2,3 like it was in Mexico? :-P Well, seems that Citroen is fast but car still has a lot of small problems. So, incidents are very likely to happen.
Well, if you compare Citroen and Ford speed in Mexico and this year, then it looks quite promising for Portugal :-)

[N.O.T]

well 1-2-3 is going to be easy...1-2 guaranteed....maybe latvala will fight with Solberg, but in portugal he crashes quite a lot.

Speed and driving wise Ogier and Loeb are unbeatable with the citroen....of course people can cry and protest and wish for accidents but as everything in life those who are trully great in the end they manage to come on top 99% of the time.

[kobefly]

Unofficial Results:

1) Loeb [Citroen] 3:53:17,0
2) Hirvonen [Ford] +1:38,4
3) Latvala [Ford] +2:23,9
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +7:18,4
5) Ostberg [Ford] +8:43,5
6) Solberg, H. [Ford] +9:50,0
7) Villagra [Ford] +48:17,2
8) Block [Ford] +1:04:04,7

[Mise]

Since this has never been a great rally for the Fords,
I think will have to wait till Portugal to see.
Mikko drowe wisely not flashy. No point to
push in any case. If he has the speed
why show it here. Now he can suprise us all in Portugal.
If he doesn't have the speed then this was a great result
for a slow driver.

It was very promising to win the power stage,
but as the drivers usually say:
We'll see

[tolis]

Day 2 Highlights: http://www.woop.gr/article/19759/wrc-mexico-highlights-day-2-video

[Barreis]

Thanks..

[bluuford]

Hey, You should take into account also SWRC drivers. So, Villagra got the last point. Those you write are correct for manufacturers championship

[Barreis]

63 wins, amazing..

[Juha_Koo]

For some reason I totally cracked up when I went to wrc.com and saw this. :D

http://juhake.kapsi.fi/motorsport/happy_loeb.jpg

I've never liked Mexico for some reason. But it was a pretty interesting rally this time, terrible differences though.

[jbmarcus21]

WRC 2011 Season standings after Rally Mexico http://bit.ly/dUULdd

[F1boat]

I am very happy that Loeb won!

[uranium]

WRC 2011 Season standings after Rally Mexico http://bit.ly/dUULdd

What is "Classement Top Scratchs" ?

[Daniel Darrall]

http://danieldarrall.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/loeb-wins-in-mexico-hirvonen-wins-power-stage/

Loeb wins Mexico - Mikko takes 'Power stage' win

[tolis]

Martin Prokop (CZE): “I’m very, very happy. Happy we finished in front of Škoda in particular. We got
important Championship points. The only problem was with bad set-up on Friday, but Saturday and Sunday
everything was perfect. This year the competition in the SWRC is strong, so every point is important.”
He is Czech and it seems that he doesn't like Škoda. :P

[uranium]

Ogier missed regrouping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5byXbrF24IM)

[Hartusvuori]

Hänninen commented to Finnish News Agency on his roll: "I tried to catch the drivers in front of me on the last three stages, but that didn't quite succeed. On penultimate stage we rolled. It happened on the road and we ended up on tyres. Once dust was settled we continued. It took only 14 seconds and car was perfectly ok. Afterwards, few kilometres before stage finish rear tyre punctured and we lost a lot of time there."

[dimviii]

Martin Prokop (CZE): “I’m very, very happy. Happy we finished in front of Škoda in particular. We got
important Championship points. The only problem was with bad set-up on Friday, but Saturday and Sunday
everything was perfect. This year the competition in the SWRC is strong, so every point is important.”
He is Czech and it seems that he doesn't like Škoda. :P

For me the only problem is that without Juhos problems he d need binoculars to see him.

[uranium]

for me the only problem is that without juhos problems he d need binoculars to see him.
:D lol

[sonnyc4]

Care to explain? I can't listen to WRR right now.

I assume Ogier would have been to far behind Loeb to push for Victory????

[Mirek]

Hänninen commented to Finnish News Agency on his roll: "I tried to catch the drivers in front of me on the last three stages, but that didn't quite succeed. On penultimate stage we rolled. It happened on the road and we ended up on tyres. Once dust was settled we continued. It took only 14 seconds and car was perfectly ok. Afterwards, few kilometres before stage finish rear tyre punctured and we lost a lot of time there."

That's epic :D

[BleAivano]

I assume Ogier would have been to far behind Loeb to push for Victory????

i'm not so sure about that. Loeb got his 50 sec penelty on Saturday and was 10 seconds behind at the start of day 3.
At Ogiers last split Loeb was only 1.4 seconds faster (1,7 on the previous split) so i dont think Loeb would have taken allot of seconds on that stage.

Loeb would surely have won anyway but i dont think that Ogier would have been that far behind.

[bluuford]

Hänninen commented to Finnish News Agency on his roll: "I tried to catch the drivers in front of me on the last three stages, but that didn't quite succeed. On penultimate stage we rolled. It happened on the road and we ended up on tyres. Once dust was settled we continued. It took only 14 seconds and car was perfectly ok. Afterwards, few kilometres before stage finish rear tyre punctured and we lost a lot of time there."

By the way, when I saw Hanninen´s time loss, then I was sure it was some kind of spin or smth and when I saw the final splits then I thought that probably puncture due to the spin or some kind of fuel problem like Kruuda had twice. But I could not imagine that he had a roll in 15 seconds:-)

[bluuford]

WRC 2011 Season standings after Rally Mexico http://bit.ly/dUULdd

Can you add manufacturers scratch times as well? Right now it is easy to calculate, but as the numbers are growing, it is getting harder and harder.

[awake27]

Ogier's off is on the citroen-wrc site (column last videos).

http://2011.citroen-wrc.com/en

[N.O.T]

pretty unlucky the impact didn't look that bad...

[bluuford]

pretty unlucky the impact didn't look that bad...

Seems that the wheel was turned out to get back on the road and then he hit something solid. When the wheel is turned out, then it is pretty fragile.

[ridder]

Ogier was indeed a bit unlucky, but still this retirement comes very much in same situation as the 3 in the row at the end of last year.

While fighting only with Loeb (or Loeb + Solberg (UK, France)) with the Fords far behind. Duval does come to my mind again. Wonder what happens if Ford will keep on leading the manufacturers champ., will Quesnel tell Ogier to stop chasing Loeb? And will Ogier get in line?

[RallyTyger]

What has happened? Nasser Al-Attiyah excluded?

http://wrc.com/results/

[6789]

What has happened? Nasser Al-Attiyah excluded?

http://wrc.com/results/

Becs Williams says on Twitter that he has been..

[RallyTyger]

any reason given why?

[tfp]

Ogier was indeed a bit unlucky, but still this retirement comes very much in same situation as the 3 in the row at the end of last year.

While fighting only with Loeb (or Loeb + Solberg (UK, France)) with the Fords far behind. Duval does come to my mind again. Wonder what happens if Ford will keep on leading the manufacturers champ., will Quesnel tell Ogier to stop chasing Loeb? And will Ogier get in line?

I hope not, its much more entertaining when they both go flat out:-)

[6789]

No reason yet, she said more to come

[Mirek]

any reason given why?

So far not but it's confirmed as he is not in official final results.
http://media.rallymexico.com/Official/Document%20No.%205.10.pdf

[6789]

Maybe he checked into service instead of going into regroup? Haha