2011 WRC Rally Mexico

[Bobcat]

SS2 Alfaro 1 2011 Mexico 26,01 km
Hirvonen +15.8s

SS1 Alfaro 1 2010 Mexico 22,96 km
Hirvonen +22,0s


Ok?

[N.O.T]

bobcat....the fact that one stage is 22kms long and the other 26kms interferes with your logic a bit ? or not ?

[Doon]

2004 was before 7 years.

...but it's still a Ford, so what has gone wrong?

[dimviii]

SS2 Alfaro 1 2011 Mexico 26,01 km
Hirvonen +15.8s

SS1 Alfaro 1 2010 Mexico 22,96 km
Hirvonen +22,0s


Ok?

Seems that s going for 3rd this year.Its obvious a progress.

[dimviii]

...but it's still a Ford, so what has gone wrong?

Maybe not wrong,just frogs progressed more?

[N.O.T]

...but it's still a Ford, so what has gone wrong?

7 years development of the citroens compared to 7 years of fords development, thats what went wrong....

[N.O.T]

next stage is on....

[dimviii]

7 years development of the citroens compared to 7 years of fords development, thats what went wrong....
Also different drivers for Ford,dont forget this.

[Co-driven]

The reason Ostberg began the stage 8 minutes later was because of spectators:

"Mads Ostberg was eight minutes late starting the stage in his M-Sport Sobart Fiesta while spectators relocated to designated safety zones." From wrc.com.

[OldF]

I wouldn’t be too worried about the speed of the Fords but if that continues during the second run of these stages, then it’s time to start to worry.

[Bobcat]

...but it's still a Ford, so what has gone wrong?
+1

[Sulland]

Was it puncture on Hanninen or something else ?

[dimviii]

Guys cause splits are fooked is there a kind boy to write some splits? :D

[Bobcat]

7 years development of the citroens compared to 7 years of fords development, thats what went wrong....
Corona Rally Mexico 2007: 1. Loeb, 2. Grönholm, 3. Hirvonen!

[N.O.T]

2nd split...ostberg 5 seconds slower, latvala 1.4 faster

[dimviii]

Corona Rally Mexico 2007: 1. Loeb, 2. Grönholm, 3. Hirvonen!
As you can see if this year Mikko finished 3rd there is no progress.Also don t confuse Markus with Mikko.Different breed at all.

[jonkka]

Have you all gone bonkers?

[Sulland]

Ostberg stopped, maybe puncture ?

Henning says he does not know how to drive this car on gravel yet. To bad one have to pay this kind of money, and not get real testing, but having to use the rally itself to get to know the car.

[N.O.T]

ostberg really slow...13 seconds behind on split 3...the citroens seem to have the wiining pace once more.

[N.O.T]

Have you all gone bonkers?

wisest post so far to all this ford nonsense....

bottom line is: fords are junk...

[N.O.T]

hirvonen was 1 second faster than his 2010 time. lets see if the trend continues up to the guy who wins the stage....

[Sulland]

wisest post so far to all this ford nonsense....

bottom line is: fords are junk...

A bit to early to conclude that Ford has not gotten faster in the hight, but they have always been behind here.

[N.O.T]

you have 2 choices either wait for 10 months to find out or just take my word for it...in both cases your conclusion will be the same....

[darkstar]

looks better now for latvala at last...

[jonkka]

Ogi seems to want the win...

[OldF]

On the altitude issue, is it just since Ford have been using Pipo engines, because the 03-05 car was quick in mexico....and it won in 2004! So Ford haven't always been slow in Mexico!!

My theory/logic why the C4 was better is that the C4 IMO used about 1000 rpm higher revs than the Focus. With higher revs the C4 didn’t had to “breath” the same amount of air true the restrictor as the Focus.

Maybe Citroen found some good solution where the torque was still high enough to give better power than the Focus had which restrictor choked already on low revs.

[GINE]

0.5 per km slower than last year

[N.O.T]

latvala 1 second slower than last year...

[GINE]

latvala same time as last year. So the gap between ford and citroen is significantly redusced

[GINE]

latvala 1 second slower than last year...
no!!! latvala same time as last year

[jonkka]

My theory/logic why the C4 was better is that the C4 IMO used about 1000 rpm higher revs than the Focus. With higher revs the C4 didn’t had to “breath” the same amount of air true the restrictor as the Focus

Say what? Higher revs means more burn cycles means more air used and all air must come through restrictor...

[dimviii]

hirvonen was 1 second faster than his 2010 time. lets see if the trend continues up to the guy who wins the stage....

Thats good for the speed of the new wrc cars,but still a fast ss with average speed at 100km/h.I expect to be slower in ss with low average speed compared with previous wrc cars.

[N.O.T]

nope...latvalas time was 14:01,9 in 2010 and 14:02.9 this year

[N.O.T]

ogier was 2 seconds slower than his 2010 time....13.58 compared to 13.56

[dimviii]

Say what? Higher revs means more burn cycles means more air used and all air must come through restrictor...
+1

[dimviii]

latvala same time as last year. So the gap between ford and citroen is significantly redusced
Didn t catch you...explain please

[N.O.T]

not a good stage for solberg....

[N.O.T]

Ogier and Loeb are going to have an amazing battle as it seems....

[jonkka]

Yeh, Petter is somewhat subdued... strange...

[N.O.T]

Last years stage winner on the first pass had a time of 13:51 seconds and was solberg.....this year the winner did it in 13.58...7 seconds in 24kms...not bad.


ostberg puntcure....

[belas]

It is irrelevant with Rally Mexico, but I have a question for you Lambros. How different or difficult is it to drive a 4wd car without a center diff like the Fabia? In the slow corners the steering does not feel very stiff and hard especially from lock to lock ? OK in gravel but in tarmac ?

[dimviii]

it is really fantastic how the new wrc cars just at first bunch of rallies,are equal so far at fast stages.Just to remember that both were moaning about limited time to build the new cars.Hats off at both.

[GINE]

Didn t catch you...explain please
ford is as fast as last year, while citroen is 0.4 slower per km. so their gap in mexico is reduced. it might be that the cars are very close in performance. We should wait for portugal

[N.O.T]

0.3sec/km slower ...not bad. i thinkt he gap can be easily reversed by the end of the year at least from citroens part.

[N.O.T]

wilson 37 seconds slower......i think if wilson senior burned the money he gave to his son to continue his wrc torture the benefits would be much much bigger...he could keep the ford tent warm for the rest of the wrc season.

[dimviii]

ford is as fast as last year, while citroen is 0.4 slower per km. so their gap in mexico is reduced. it might be that the cars are very close in performance. We should wait for portugal

Seems that gap is not so big.Maybe fiesta engine not so handicaped at high attitude as focus.

[N.O.T]

next stage is on in 2 minutes

[N.O.T]

this page belongs to the greeks....rest of the world is sleeping or working to make some money to lend us.

[Sulland]

At least Henning is on par with Wilson on 3, maybe 10 sec quicker on 4 ?

[OldF]

Say what? Higher revs means more burn cycles means more air used and all air must come through restrictor...

Yes in the end but less air per intake stroke.

[Sulland]

this page belongs to the greeks....rest of the world is sleeping or working to make some money to lend us.

Good one ! The Oil is pumping faster than ever !!

[dimviii]

this page belongs to the greeks....rest of the world is sleeping or working to make some money to lend us.

egamithikes!! lol

[Fide]

this page belongs to the greeks....rest of the world is sleeping or working to make some money to lend us.

am in Argentina, so it is 02:06pm right now...

[N.O.T]

get a night shift job then....

[N.O.T]

no splits so far...

[OldF]

ford is as fast as last year, while citroen is 0.4 slower per km. so their gap in mexico is reduced. it might be that the cars are very close in performance. We should wait for portugal

And still the most drivers are complaining about lack of power.

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=25&filtr= (comments)

[jonkka]

There are now

[kobefly]

After SS3:

1) Ogier [Citroen] 30:22.9
2) Loeb [Citroen] +1.6
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +12.8
4) Latvala [Ford] +15.4
5) Hirvonen [Ford] +30.1
6) Wilson [Ford] +1:15.2
7) Novikov [Ford] +1:21.5
8) Solberg, H. [Ford] +1:28.4
9) Kuipers [Ford] +1:57.5
10) Ostberg [Ford] +4:40.6
11) Villagra [Ford] +10:01.8
12) Block [Ford] +11:16.1

[Mirek]

And still the most drivers are complaining about lack of power.

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=25&filtr= (comments)

They always do in Mexico ;)

[dimviii]

next stage is same km as last year,lets see differences with old wrcs

[jonkka]

Only Mikko on stage?

[N.O.T]

on google map this stage looks like its very twisty.

last year was won by solberg with a time of 11:50

[N.O.T]

Ostberg probably retired.....latvala in as well now

[Juha_Koo]

JML Stopped! Noooo! :(

[hari]

Latvala stopped

[GINE]

JML Stopped! Noooo! :(
a lot of flat tires so far

[N.O.T]

Citroens had big problems with tyres in sweden now its fords time...

[Juha_Koo]

JML moving again. Maybe a spin etc...

Edit. Oh, he's lost over two minutes. Puncture then I guess...

[wwbroe]

Probably puncture for JML?

[N.O.T]

2 minutes lost....

[N.O.T]

wow....hirvonen 10 seconds faster than his 2010 time !!!

[dimviii]

did you guys see text live?
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally

[dimviii]

a lot of flat tires so far

Don t tell that to Peppas lol

[Co-driven]

Although no split times, Ostberg finished the stage 6 seconds adrift of Hirvonen...

[N.O.T]

this stage is going to be much faster than in 2010....

[dimviii]

Almost equal time wrc 10 vs wrc 11 but seems that new ones are going to be faster when Sebs finished.

[Co-driven]

Almost equal time wrc 10 vs wrc 11 but seems that new ones are going to be faster when Sebs finished.

Indeed, Ogier is flying.

[N.O.T]

11:42 by ogier...11:49 was last years time...crazy results i give up comparing the two.

[N.O.T]

Sebastien cannot keep up with sebastien on this one....

[dimviii]

All crews till now are 10sec faster than previous year.Average 96,7 (again a fast one)

[HarriK]

Nice to see Novikov speed comparison to Slowson :)
Almost same times althought he has A LOT LESS km behind the Fiesta!

[dimviii]

Sebastien cannot keep up with sebastien on this one....
can t keep or want to start second morow to kill him gently....

[muscrae]

What happened to JML?

[Co-driven]

What happened to JML?

Puncture.

[awake27]

Petter has a problem or is playing tactics to start tomorrow on 3rd place instead of 2nd?

So far it seems Ogier will clean the 2nd day or unless both 3 citroens slow to let Hirvonen do the sweeping again.

[Doon]

11:42 by ogier...11:49 was last years time...crazy results i give up comparing the two.

Haha, and all the time you've been saying the new cars are much slower......because of the bulletproof evidence you've witnessed on youtube....

.....best wait for the stage times to come in next time you commit to the bold statements you make ;)

[bluuford]

guys..did you noticed that second placed ford right now is......... Wilsoooooooon!

[kobefly]

After SS4:

1) Ogier [Citroen] 42:05.4
2) Loeb [Citroen] +1.2
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +18.3
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +39.2
5) Wilson [Ford] +1:36.4
6) Novikov [Ford] +1:40.4
7) Solberg, H. [Ford] +1:54.4
8) Kuipers [Ford] +2:28.9
9) Latvala [Ford] +2:38.9
10) Ostberg [Ford] +4:55.9
11) Block [Ford] +11:50.5

[Motorsportfun]

any stream for ESPN?

[N.O.T]

Haha, and all the time you've been saying the new cars are much slower......because of the bulletproof evidence you've witnessed on youtube....

.....best wait for the stage times to come in next time you commit to the bold statements you make ;)

well they were slower on the previous stage and now are faster same situation was in sweden.....thats why i am confused....

[N.O.T]

just noticed the power stage of this year is only run once....thats pretty unfair for the first crews that will start the stage.

[Doon]

well they were slower on the previous stage and now are faster same situation was in sweden.....thats why i am confused....

I don't know, is it anything to do with the stages? Are the new cars faster in the fast flowing stuff, and slower through tight twisty corners due to the lack or torque?

[Ucci]

Funny discussions about comparison C4&Focus vs.DS3&Fiesta-they are on the same level concerning the speed, one stage a bit faster, other slower, at the end it is equal....who give a damm for a few lauzy seconds.......the show is important !!
Anyway, DS3 is(are) leading !!! Yes....

[hari]

just noticed the power stage of this year is only run once....thats pretty unfair for the first crews that will start the stage.

The Powerstage runs on a part of Stage 13/17 in same direction. So it should be clean.

[N.O.T]

yes you are right...thats nice

[vkangas]

Also reversed order would solve the cleaning problem and I suppose it's usually used on power stages.

[Fide]

Where is Ogier in the leaderboard of stage 5 ?

[Co-driven]

Where is Ogier in the leaderboard of stage 5 ?

I was just going to ask that. I even checked the start list to make sure of his road position...

[Fide]

actualy he appeared with the 4th time (stage 5). Actualy Loeb is leading the rally

[Co-driven]

Just appeared now.

[OldF]

Tactics.

[Fide]

Would like to see tactics end of this day..... (that will occur at the time greeks are sleeping :) )

[kobefly]

SS5 completed: New leader

1) Loeb [Citroen] 43:24.0
2) Ogier [Citroen] +1.3
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +18.4
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +40.9
5) Wilson [Ford] +1:38.0
6) Novikov [Ford] +1:43.4
7) Solberg, H. [Ford] +1:56.5
8) Kuipers [Ford] +2:31.7
9) Latvala [Ford] +2:40.2
10) Ostberg [Ford] +4:57.9
11) Block [Ford] +11:54.3
12) Villagra [Ford] +20:00.2

[dimviii]

Would like to see tactics end of this day..... (that will occur at the time greeks are sleeping :) )

ss9 will be at 3,45 in morning at Greece.Don t think that i ll manage it.

[OldF]

Sleeping at 4 o’clock in the Saturday morning? BTW, you are in the same time zone as we are. :D

[dimviii]

ss9 will be at 3,45 in morning at Greece.Don t think that i ll manage it.

or to set the alarm clock?

[Fide]

or to set the alarm clock?

Sounds good..... I did it last year when Japan rally....

[Francis44]

One talent for the future: Ott Tanak.

[Tom206wrc]

Tactics.


Mmmmh too early for thinking about that :p :

[dimviii]

in 20 minutes we are going to see if the 2011 is going to be different from 2010.
I ll enjoy it with souvlaki and coca cola.

[Fide]

SS5 completed: New leader

1) Loeb [Citroen] 43:24.0
2) Ogier [Citroen] +1.3
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +18.4
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +40.9
5) Wilson [Ford] +1:38.0
6) Novikov [Ford] +1:43.4
7) Solberg, H. [Ford] +1:56.5
8) Kuipers [Ford] +2:31.7
9) Latvala [Ford] +2:40.2
10) Ostberg [Ford] +4:57.9
11) Block [Ford] +11:54.3
12) Villagra [Ford] +20:00.2

Sera que Villagra es de Cabotaje ?????? No entiendo, aca afana y afuera es bien chicken....

[N.O.T]

the stage is on hirvonen past split 1

[Fide]

and wrc.com plays music.............. lousy

[N.O.T]

hirvonen 5 seconds faster on split 2 compared to his first run

[Francis44]

Ogier might say By Bye to a good result, looks like he skipped regroup and might get penalty.

[Fide]

It would be good to be know sooner than later...

[jonkka]

I ll enjoy it with souvlaki

Aah... And plenty of tsatsiki, I hope?

[HarriK]

at least ogier was 10minutes too early at the service... so at least +10min

[N.O.T]

Aah... And plenty of tsatsiki, I hope?

Tzatziki

[Fide]

split times doens't work....

[dimviii]

Aah... And plenty of tsatsiki, I hope?

of course!

[ZequeArgentina]

Sera que Villagra es de Cabotaje ?????? No entiendo, aca afana y afuera es bien chicken....
En Argentina es un piloto profesional que corre en su euqipo para salir campeón, en el mundial es chofer de Companc y seguramente con instrucción de no arriesgar al 100%. Igual es bastante raro que no ande mas cerca de la punta.

[Fide]

En Argentina es un piloto profesional que corre en su euqipo para salir campeón, en el mundial es chofer de Companc y seguramente con instrucción de no arriesgar al 100%. Igual es bastante raro que no ande mas cerca de la punta.

Ese es mi punto.... en argentina no se equivoca tanto; y el talento es el talento....

[dimviii]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. (st. č. 3) "Some places cleaner, but not many. No lines, it's cleaning again."

[N.O.T]

the trend continues...the fords are getting beat into the next decade....expected as seen on youtube videos.

[COD]

So new cars as fast as old ones ,but better show. Ok, different tyres as well. But all the whining from Hirvonen especially that they need paddle gearshift looks ridicolous now. Also that engineers like Lorriaux saying before that handbrake etc. can't be operated without active center diff are proving to be BS.

Whish they had sticked with S2000 aerodynamics, it would have made the show even better....

[Co-driven]

Ogier might say By Bye to a good result, looks like he skipped regroup and might get penalty.

Terrible to hear that. How do know about it?

[Francis44]

Heard it on Rally Radio :) .

[dimviii]

Mikko cut 12 seconds from Alfaro1.Last year at second Alfaro passage all were aproximately 10 sec faster.Seems that Loeb must be again faster with ease.Lets see

[paddocknews]

Terrible to hear that. How do know about it?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89744

[dimviii]

Anybody can see Loeb splits vs Mikko?

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89744

I wouldn t like to be in Ingrassias position right now...

[N.O.T]

yes 8 seconds quicker with 2 splits to go...slower than ogier by 0.5

[pettersolberg29]

Petter in trouble.

[6789]

Engine problem??

Another rally to Loeb??

[pettersolberg29]

Petter has stopped. Suspected engine problem.

edit: still just about going...

[jonkka]

And splits froze...

[Co-driven]

I wouldn t like to be in Ingrassias position right now...

Me neither.

Last year, on our Peugeot Trophy a driver was excluded because he entered service park through the wrong entrance.

[Comal]

Will have to wait on the Ogier thing, as doesn't say if actually entered the wrong control or just turned wrong way.

[pettersolberg29]

If Ogier is excluded or given a penalty I wonder what Loeb will do. He'll have a lead of over a minute, but would he lose it tomorrow?

[N.O.T]

solberg out....misfire problem.

[N.O.T]

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. "Difficult. Lot of loose stones, we had to change line many times."

if you read the comments of this individual you think he is doing a different event than the rest....

[N.O.T]

6 minutes lost for petter....

[Tom206wrc]

GREAT !!!!! Engine problem for Solberg, big penalties likely to happen to OGier...what else ???? :mad:

[pettersolberg29]

He's retired I think.

Petter, that is.

[N.O.T]

what the regulations say about the mistake Ogier did? exclusion? or penalty ?

[N.O.T]

GREAT !!!!! Engine problem for Solberg, big penalties likely to happen to OGier...what else ???? :mad:

not to worry...the difference of the cars is very big so even if all go wrong the championships are secured this year as well.

[N.O.T]

new service from the wrc.com site....lets see if this one wroks. Its a nice addition.

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-guanajuato-mexico/live-text/

[pettersolberg29]

what the regulations say about the mistake Ogier did? exclusion? or penalty ?

Regulations say exclusion according to WRR. Unlikely to happen though...Quesnel would kick up a fuss.

[dimviii]

Wilson 4th now lololololololol

[awake27]

Petter out, Ogier likely out too (or at least out of the podium with a big penalty) and the question is what will Loeb do now? Build a big as possible gap to Mikko to clean the next 2 days or slot behind the Finn at the end of SS8?

[N.O.T]

Loeb can win those 2 fords with his hands behind his back no way he will play tactics....

[N.O.T]

SOlberg will probably retire on the raod section....no throttle.

[N.O.T]

welll if ogier is excluded...mikko will settle for 2nd since he has no soul...Latvala cannot do anything apart from finishing 3rd.....so the rally is over.

[awake27]

Nothing is over until the official publication of the end results.

[BVB Rallying]

what the regulations say about the mistake Ogier did? exclusion? or penalty ?
The regulations say that he would be excluded, unless it's force majeure...
If Citroën can't prove the force majeure, I think it will be all over for Ogier.
This kind of mistakes are never "accidentally" in my opinion.

[awake27]

The regulations say that he would be excluded, unless it's force majeure...
If Citroën can't prove the force majeure, I think it will be all over for Ogier.
This kind of mistakes are never "accidentally" in my opinion.
Agree. Still though you wonder how Ogier or/and Ingrassia did such a silly mistake.

[dimviii]

This kind of mistakes are never "accidentally" in my opinion.

Which could be the reason? can t think that it was ''accidentaly''

[paddocknews]

Karl Kruuda: "We lost our fuel pression on the road section and had to retire :( "

[Rallyper]

For sure Citroen cant get out of this (Ogier). More interesting to see what happens to Petter...
Loeb in difficult position in some kind of way.

A lot more is gonna happen, believe me...

[Tom206wrc]

Wilslow could even get a podium if that goes on like this(after Ogier gets the penalty)...catastrofic :s

[Francis44]

Funny how things changed around, Citroen top 3 then all gone, if Ogier gets the penalty ofcourse. Ford can still get alot out of this Rally. If Loeb gets to clean tomorrow and punctures, which is plausible, considering he has to deal with plenty of rocks when cleaning, then Hirvonnen might be set to something big :) .

[awake27]

"Ogier will be the subject of an investigation by the event stewards tonight after reporting that he accidentally skipped the regroup prior to midday service, driving into service instead. After realising his mistake he turned around and drove back into the regroup. However, he could be handed a time penalty for a possible infringement." - from wrc.com

[Fide]

Finally Solberg has abandoned or not ? anyone has any news about it ?

[alleskids]

Was it in Mexico or Turkey on their first visit that Elena stired Loeb in the wrong direction to the next stage and they got lost and run out of fuel? It was not a good time to stand in Elena's shoes :(

[Josti]

Was it in Mexico or Turkey on their first visit that Elena stired Loeb in the wrong direction to the next stage and they got lost and run out of fuel? It was not a good time to stand in Elena's shoes :(

Turkey 2003.

[A.F.F.]

welll if ogier is excluded...mikko will settle for 2nd since he has no soul...Latvala cannot do anything apart from finishing 3rd.....so the rally is over.

Bye... see you on sunday :wave:

[awake27]

Was it in Mexico or Turkey on their first visit that Elena stired Loeb in the wrong direction to the next stage and they got lost and run out of fuel? It was not a good time to stand in Elena's shoes :(
Turkey 2003!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lets hope Loeb has the guts to take the lead and try to hold it over Sat & Sun ... we dont need tactics here ...

Surely he doesnt need to do this as the 7x Champion ...

[KKS]

Petter will start SS7!

[ste898]

Loeb can win those 2 fords with his hands behind his back no way he will play tactics....

What a silly comment and based on fantasy!!!!

[Fide]

Seems Petter has solved the engine problem....

[dimviii]

same scenario like previous stage.Seems everybody is minus 10sec so citroens again faster.

[Ucci]

Personally I expected a lot more form M.Ostberg, this gaps are much to big for the (almost) winner of an WRC event...don't you agree????

[dimviii]

through splits seems that Loeb controls his pace looking Ogiers splits,after he is some tenths faster,immediately at next split he is slower.This is the second stage i ve see it.Maybe he want to control his position during the day to avoid tactics?

[Fide]

Solberg faster than Loeb

[dimviii]

Personally I expected a lot more form M.Ostberg, this gaps are much to big for the (almost) winner of an WRC event...don't you agree????
Suddenly to become a podium contenter in gravel cause in snow he had a good result.No way i was expecting something better.plenty of times same scenario with snow/tarmac specialists.

[Roy]

Personally I expected a lot more form M.Ostberg, this gaps are much to big for the (almost) winner of an WRC event...don't you agree????

No. Snow fits Mads Ostberg much more and he was never in Mexico before. And the puncture didn't helped even so. Let him learn some rallies.

[RICARDO75]

Wilson stoped on SS7

[mousti]

through splits seems that Loeb controls his pace looking Ogiers splits,after he is some tenths faster,immediately at next split he is slower.This is the second stage i ve see it.Maybe he want to control his position during the day to avoid tactics?
Normally he shouldn't care about Ogier and he's automatically No. 1 if he enters service park. Because then they should exclude of give Ogier minimal a big time penalty.

[dimviii]

Normally he shouldn't care about Ogier and he's automatically No. 1 if he enters service park. Because then they should exclude of give Ogier minimal a big time penalty.
Maybe he is not sure about what is going to be done and he plays it safely even if Ogier will not get a penalty.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Personally I expected a lot more form M.Ostberg, this gaps are much to big for the (almost) winner of an WRC event...don't you agree????

Henning is close to victory in pace every snow rally , yet mediocre anywhere else

[dimviii]

Mikko extremely lucky.With such a slow pace is going to take 2nd place points if Ogier get a penalty.But thats good cause don t think that rest championship will be much more different than last year..

[N.O.T]

What a silly comment and based on fantasy!!!!

yes the last 7 years prove that its only fantasy....

[N.O.T]

next stage is on...

[jonkka]

Road position -wise JML should stay behind Henning.

[N.O.T]

the bad thing about ogiers exclusion is that Loeb will get the No1 spot and ogier will get a supporter role..which i think he doesn't deserve but thats citroens policy through the years...

Wilson managed to get the funds to sponsor his useless son and he didin't spend them in the development of the car once more....the total ridicule he will get from the citroens is his usual gift for such a policy.

see you all sunday.

[dimviii]

Joke of the year from wrc.com

''Wilson’s promising run comes to an end at the stage halfway point''. :disturb:

[A.F.F.]

One thing I know.... my pickems, once again went totally wrong :D

[N.O.T]

Joke of the year from wrc.com

''Wilson’s promising run comes to an end at the stage halfway point''. :disturb:

some of daddys money go there as well i think.... cannot explain it otherwise

[Francis44]

I would not be surprised if Ogier gets some small penalty, maybe 1 minute, because im sure Citroen will get their mojo working with the stewarts.

[AndyRAC]

Joke of the year from wrc.com

''Wilson’s promising run comes to an end at the stage halfway point''. :disturb:

Promising, hmm, define promising......

[Rallyper]

Novikov is really doing some impressive work, having absolutely no experience of the new car.

And Ostberg has no driving experience from gravel before Mexice except from a short test in Portugal. To be compared to Loeb and the other boys...

[tolis]

Good morning guys!!! Go Novikov!!! :)

[Barreis]

Good morning and please don't forget about videos! Thanks.. :)

[Fri]

short video from the shakedown and Guanajuato super special stage
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/video/010-rshu_mexico_rally_2011_video.htm

[OldF]

That would be quite typical. It seems the rally is over after the first day.

No good morning from me because I haven’t even went to sleep but anyway, good morning guys :o even if isn’t morning yet here in Finland. Only two short stages to go for day one but I don’t think I’ll stay up for that long.

[6789]

Loeb in control in a big way. Unless Ogier is excluded over night?

[OldF]

I could agree with these answers except for the first one without penalty.

http://www.wrc.com/news/the-four-big-questions/?fid=14242

[RICARDO75]

I could agree with these answers except for the first one without penalty.

http://www.wrc.com/news/the-four-big-questions/?fid=14242

+1

[Allyc85]

When will we hear a final verdict on Ogier, surely he deserves a penalty of some sort?!

[Marre]

That would be quite typical. It seems the rally is over after the first day.

No good morning from me because I haven’t even went to sleep but anyway, good morning guys :o even if isn’t morning yet here in Finland. Only two short stages to go for day one but I don’t think I’ll stay up for that long.

we have seen a couple of flat tyres during the day, so to say that the rally is over after day 1 is just not true

[6789]

Cirtroen won every stage today, maybe a better day for Ford with their road positions tomorrow

[GigiGalliNo1]

is it on now?

[tmx]

That would be quite typical. It seems the rally is over after the first day. Consider me as a tifosi, but supporting Petter, if he's off the challenge then rally's over for me. Just seem like deja vu, Citroen machine works better under these conditions over Ford.

Mikko have a tough drive to keep up, if Latvala was closer then the strategy for being 3rd 4th would work out, but he's too far back for contention. For some of the unlucky runners, keep going, hope someone else has problems and then try to get those extra points in the power stage.

[Tom206wrc]

I would not be surprised if Ogier gets some small penalty, maybe 1 minute, because im sure Citroen will get their mojo working with the stewarts.


What about the 40" penalty for Solberg and Subaru while he had to push the car in forbidden zone ??? :rolleyes:

[6789]

Ogier escapes time penalty..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89751 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89750)

Pappa Wilson.. Not happy

[teufel]

Somebody has to sweep the road for Loeb...

[alleskids]

Normal drivers get excluded for simple things, because rules are rules. But Seb 1 and Seb 2 can bend and break every rule and getaway with it??

[bluuford]

Well, as far as I understood he drove first to the service, found that he was there too early, turned back and went to regroup. So, if he didn't checked in the service park and he was not late to regroup then everything should be correct according to the rules. So, practically he drove all the route and some extra. However, on the itinerary there is no distance between regroup and service and there is only 1.2 km between stage end and regroup, so it sounds a bit strange. But I dont have a roadbook for more detailed route and therefore I cannot tell more.

[ARF]

Well, as far as I understood he drove first to the service, found that he was there too early, turned back and went to regroup. So, if he didn't checked in the service park and he was not late to regroup then everything should be correct according to the rules. So, practically he drove all the route and some extra. However, on the itinerary there is no distance between regroup and service and there is only 1.2 km between stage end and regroup, so it sounds a bit strange. But I dont have a roadbook for more detailed route and therefore I cannot tell more.
It was not according to rules - rules state that you have to follow the roadbook, either tulips or the explanatory maps. Itinerary or checking in are irrelevant in this case.

[rp]

Normal drivers get excluded for simple things, because rules are rules. But Seb 1 and Seb 2 can bend and break every rule and getaway with it??

That´s true. The rules are not same for everyone and Citroen knows how to handle these situations...

[Allyc85]

Normal drivers get excluded for simple things, because rules are rules. But Seb 1 and Seb 2 can bend and break every rule and getaway with it??

Yea there is one rule book for Citreon and one for Ford.

Ogier blatantly (but accidently) broke a fundamental rule of rallying and has been allowed to get away with it, disgraceful!

[Brother John]

That´s true. The rules are not same for everyone and Citroen knows how to handle these situations...

http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0094.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0094.gif) Again clear that FIA (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0096.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0096.gif)) and Citroën are French!!! http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0159.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0159.gif)

[6789]

Clearly Ford need a Frenchman as team manager :D

[Camelopard]

http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0094.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0094.gif) Again clear that FIA (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0096.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0096.gif)) and Citroën are French!!! http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0159.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0159.gif)



Also, do not mention that Jean Todt is also a froggie!! (the supposed saviour of World rallying!!!!!) Also not forgetting the influence of of another damn froggie in Michele Mouton.


Also the problems with Petter's car (why is it that he has problems that the 'official' seb cars don't have?) will not affect the other french cars, according to the cry baby, gee what a suprise! from:


http://wrc.com/news/qa-olivier-quesnel/?fid=14253


What happened to Petter Solberg today and was there a concern it could affect your other DS3 WRCs?

“Petter had a little problem with the electrics. He just found what it was and put it back and the car was okay. It’s not a problem that will affect the other cars I don’t think.”

[Francis44]

Much better then, I see a huge fight between the Sebs on the way.

[Tom206wrc]

I could agree with these answers except for the first one without penalty.

http://www.wrc.com/news/the-four-big-questions/?fid=14242


Me guesses if Latvala or Hirvonen had been in same situation as Ogier your point of view on the answer would have been quite different :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Also, do not mention that Jean Todt is also a froggie!! (the supposed saviour of World rallying!!!!!)


I'd say Michelle Mouton in this case, not directly Jean Todt ;)
And Ogier knew how to seduce her :D

[Mirek]

http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0094.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0094.gif) Again clear that FIA (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0096.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0096.gif)) and Citroën are French!!! http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0159.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0159.gif)



2.5. Stewards of the Meeting
Chairman: Morrie Chandler
Steward: Carlos García Remohí
Steward: Roberto Arnstein
Secretary of the Stewards Ms. Yvonne Gilli

[Xsara Fan]

Evgeny Novikov comments after 1 day: http://www.almrally.ru/english/info/4795/

Gallery from the 1 day: http://www.almrally.ru/foto/fotolist/?idgroup=14435

Hi-res photos:

http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/ALM%20Rally%20TEAM/HiRezPhoto/2011_Mexico_Novikov_WRC_04.jpg

http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/ALM%20Rally%20TEAM/HiRezPhoto/2011_Mexico_Novikov_WRC_04_2.jpg

[raybak]

In regards to the Ogier incident. I have been in a sort of similar situation and not been penalised. This was in Rally NZ 2005 when we had dnf'd on the first day and the truck that was taking us back to service went into the service park by mistake instead of the regroup area. Didn't check into time control, just turned around and went into the regroup. We wern't penalised. So why should Ogier be penalised as he has realised when turning into the service that he was wrong and turned around and went to the regroup. If he had checked in at service then there would have been an issue.

Ray

[Camelopard]

In regards to the Ogier incident. I have been in a sort of similar situation and not been penalised. This was in Rally NZ 2005 when we had dnf'd on the first day and the truck that was taking us back to service went into the service park by mistake instead of the regroup area. Didn't check into time control, just turned around and went into the regroup. We wern't penalised. So why should Ogier be penalised as he has realised when turning into the service that he was wrong and turned around and went to the regroup. If he had checked in at service then there would have been an issue.

Ray

Damn collaborator, bet you would have joined the vichy french rather than the resistance !!!! ;)

[raybak]

Also the problems with Petter's car (why is it that he has problems that the 'official' seb cars don't have?) will not affect the other french cars, according to the cry baby, gee what a suprise!

Haven't you heard about the button in car 1 that you can press to disable the electrics in any other Citroen. It's only fitted to car 1 and removed if that car is then onsold to another competitor :)

[Miika]

Viva la whateva x2 already, what an exciting season it will be.

[6789]

Haven't you heard about the button in car 1 that you can press to disable the electrics in any other Citroen. It's only fitted to car 1 and removed if that car is then onsold to another competitor :)

lol.

[Darren Jones]

Cant remeber which competitor now but mabye someone else saw it.
On the coverage of Sweden one of the co-drivers had to help the car out of a snowbank got back in and they drove off with their belts still being done up...Loeb was penalised badly in one rally for Elena doing that yet this competeitor wasnt. But who cares we have a great fight building up, Mikko will have better road posistions could be a great rally just enjoy the rally instead of moaning about

[N.O.T]

Cirtroen won every stage today, maybe a better day for Ford with their road positions tomorrow

last year they won every stage of the rally....

[N.O.T]

good to see that Ogier wasn't penalised and the battle will be on....i wonder how mucher richer the stewards are right now....

[6789]

last year they won every stage of the rally....

How many years since they have won a stage in Mexico?

They mighn't get stagewins today with Solberg way down the order

[tolis]

Highlights of Day 1 have just started:
http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9

[Barreis]

Ogier had to be penalised..

[User]

They should make road order equal to the overall positions after each stage. Now that would be fun :D

[René]

What point of the regulations or rules was not really respected by Ogier??

[Juha_Koo]

What point of the regulations or rules was not really respected by Ogier??

Following the rally route. He didn't follow the actual route but took a wrong turn and then came back.

In Finland there's been exclusion because crew overshot a junction in a road section. Codriver noticed his mistake right away but driver elected to drive 500 meters forward to make an (safe) U-turn at a bus stop. Someone saw this and reported it to the stewards. The crew was excluded.

It really is one of the most basic rules.

[rp]

Following the rally route. He didn't follow the actual route but took a wrong turn and then came back.

In Finland there's been exclusion because crew overshot a junction in a road section. Codriver noticed his mistake right away but driver elected to drive 500 meters forward to make an (safe) U-turn at a bus stop. Someone saw this and reported it to the stewards. The crew was excluded.

It really is one of the most basic rules.

Yes definetely you have to follow the rally route all the time.

If this had happened to someone else than Citroen driver surely he would have excluded... Sadly the WRC is like a French kindergarten...

[wwbroe]

Ogier had to be penalised..

That depends on the situation, if he only turned left instead of right and he didn't pass any time control, turned around and passed timecontrol for regroup then i don't see any reason why he should be penalised. You can say he didn't follow rallyroute, but hey you will actually have to give penalty to all guys going off the road and coming back onto it after crashing. I don't find it unlogical he didn't get penalty. Instead we should enjoy the fight that is coming up.

[wwbroe]

Yes definetely you have to follow the rally route all the time.

If this had happened to someone else than Citroen driver surely he would have excluded... Sadly the WRC is like a French kindergarten...

I think you would have to exclude many, many drivers then. With a start platform of only 25 crews there won't be too much at finishline. :D

[rp]

I think you would have to exclude many, many drivers then. With a start platform of only 25 crews there won't be too much at finishline. :D

That´s true also. Hopefully the rules are same for everyone after this, but we will see...

[dimviii]

yesterday we had a first taste of the competitiveness between the new wrc cars.Citroen had the upper hand by a good margin we can say.Today with Sebs having handicap due to start order it is going to be a lot clearer.Fingers crossed for fiestas to be competetitivefor the sports good.

[N.O.T]

13 mins left...

[Julle69]

if he only turned left instead of right and he didn't pass any time control, turned around and passed timecontrol for regroup then i don't see any reason why he should be penalised. You can say he didn't follow rallyroute, but hey you will actually have to give penalty to all guys going off the road and coming back onto it after crashing. I don't find it unlogical he didn't get penalty

Ogier drove his car straight to service, turned the engine off and is getting out of the car when team members and co-driver came to tell him everything was not right. He then start the car and reverse it back to weighting and time control... I would not say this as a small mistake...

[N.O.T]

it was alreeady evident from sweden that the citroens were ahead...

[N.O.T]

is the british flying failure of the ages going to start again ???

[dimviii]

why when i am going to access splits there is a note popping saying that the internet explorer cant open the page?

[Francis44]

Ogier cleaning the road and still manages to be quicker than Loeb on 2 split.

[dimviii]

where is Tolis when you need him :mad:

[miksu]

Damn Ogier is fast. Is there a problem with dust now?

[RICARDO75]

why when i am going to access splits there is a note popping saying that the internet explorer cant open the page?

don't use internet explorer. I prefer Google chrome.
It's faster and everithing works fine and has the translactor

[N.O.T]

why when i am going to access splits there is a note popping saying that the internet explorer cant open the page?

use firefox