VW News 2012 & WRC 2013

[dimviii]

Also Octavia WRC - last Evo 2 and Evo 3, Fabia WRC Evo 2 (I'm not sure here...).

And Seat ibiza-vw golf kit car engines.

[JRodrigues]

So the new engine will be built by VW Motorsport??

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sorry but did anyone realise Petter Solberg to VW.... or Solberg is out of WRC like Henning!

MaxRally | News | Solberg moves closer to Volkswagen (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/solberg_moves_closer_to_volkswagen/)

[focus206]

Sorry but did anyone realise Petter Solberg to VW.... or Solberg is out of WRC like Henning!

MaxRally | News | Solberg moves closer to Volkswagen (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/solberg_moves_closer_to_volkswagen/)

Henning out of WRC? Didn't he skipped Argentina just to have the budget for a full 2012 season?

[6789]

Hope Petter signs then!!

[N.O.T]

Peter is going to be good for the VW team for 1-2 years...he has the name to attarct attention/sponsors to the team since the fans love him but also he is a good standard for the young ones to see what are they capable of.... Also WV could use him in the Dakar as well.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Don't think he'll do Dakar but wasn't Henning out of WRC soon? Maybe no more After 2012 eh

[Barreis]

Hope Petter signs then!!

+1

[Plan9]

I hear that VW is pulling out of Dakar. Rumor is that there will be many Mini Countryman's instead. If Petter does go 2 VW do you think his team will run private VW for some bright young things form Norway?

[MartijnS]

According to Rallye-Magazin.de , Hans Weijs and Christian Riedemann will drive for VW at Rally Germany!

[MartijnS]

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/news/index.php?&flash=no&lg=e&st=588&id=4592

[N.O.T]

According to Rallye-Magazin.de , Hans Weijs will drive for VW at Rally Germany!

good and logical choice.

[focus206]

According to Rallye-Magazin.de , Hans Weijs and Christian Riedemann will drive for VW at Rally Germany!
Good. I'm happy for Weijs Jr, he deserves a chanche. :)

[Mirek]

Yes, very nice news. I really like the fact that VW gives the boys a chance to show something with serious factory support.

[darkstar]

it´s pretty cool hat reidemann will get a chance! i hope he´s getting some test km. but in my opinion he´s a pretty good driver.

[Plan9]

what is the point of VW using the Skoda ST next year? Is it's dimensions very similar to the Polo? Will we see the Polo doing some rounds next year as Mini has been this year?

[Mirek]

These cars are technically very similar both in stock and rally variants. Of course Polo will go further with the development but it's based on Fabia as far as I know. Also VW still hasn't introduced Polo-R stock car with optimized bodyshell for use in WRC.

[MJW]

My info is that 2012 will be a few events with the Skoda, whilst Polo tests in private.

[RS]

Here is the VW Fabia, running "Wings for Life" livery which I believe is a Red Bull supported charity?

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/images/2005//multimedia/fotos/wrc_programm/praesentation//vw-110718-1658_ml.jpg

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/images/2005//multimedia/fotos/wrc_programm/praesentation//vw-110718-1660_ml.jpg

[pantealex]

Mikkelsen's NesteOil car in background!
Maybe different bonnet livery in NORF

[mousti]

Mikkelsen's NesteOil car in background!
Maybe different bonnet livery in NORF
Think so the colors are coming from the ADAC Stiftung Sport :)

[Plan9]

Interesting, I just wonder if the Polo WRC will not be fully ready for 2013 if they use the fabia as the basis for testing in official events. But I'm sure VW will have the money to make up the difference.

[N.O.T]

VW will just go for the whole season in 2013 without any plans for limited events in 2012 ? or they will have a limited program in in 2013 ??....of course its early and anything can change but what was the official announcement ??

[MJW]

VW will just go for the whole season in 2013 without any plans for limited events in 2012 ? or they will have a limited program in in 2013 ??....of course its early and anything can change but what was the official announcement ?? full season starting 2013, extensive tests with Polo and a few WRC events with Skoda in 2012, also as you probably know all remaining 2011 events except Australia in a Skoda.

[RS]

Marcus Gronholm has been linked to VW now and according to Autosport he is interested despite saying a while back he didn't want to become another Michael Schumacher. I suppose it depends whether they are looking at him for lead driver or as a part timer and car developer...

[Sulland]

How far is the VW 1600T WRC engine development come by date ?

[Mirek]

Ask in Hannover.

[polo10]

Hi Mirek someone told me that group VAG gave grenn ligth to skoda to develop the next generation of Fabia a Regional Rally Car, or R4, something like that...a Car just behind WRC, do you know that? This Fabia will be running until 2013 and then the new car will begin...the things that we know...

[alleskids]

Mikkelsen's NesteOil car in background!
Maybe different bonnet livery in NORF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbzHU3Z9qE
In the Finland test VW has some FIA logo on the bonnet.

[pantealex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbzHU3Z9qE
In the Finland test VW has some FIA logo on the bonnet.

Mikkelsen has FIA Academy sticker on bonnet
Lindroos has KYMPPIrakennus sticker on bonnet and Futursoft stickers in frontside, so 2 personal sponsors for him.

That Adac sticker is Riedemann's personal sticker

[Voice of Rally]

H Guys,

I have to say VW look very impressive in the service park considering they are running two S2000 cars!

Had a chat with the boss on Sunday and he hinted at some interesting developments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqRSyi_Bv4&feature=channel_video_title

[AndyRAC]

They are here to win. End of. Simple.
There will be no half measures, rent-a-drivers, etc
Look at the Audi Sportscar effort - will be the same.

[N.O.T]

Lol at the Oversized cart championship on tv at the back....

but very nice to see them determined to succeed...lets hope this will push the ford headquarters to change to a preparation company with someone who cares about winning instead of 15-year plans of failures.

[makinen_fan]

nice to see such determination from the start. hope that the will be able to really push Citroen when the come in 2013 and force Ford to raise their game

[wwbroe]

H Guys,

I have to say VW look very impressive in the service park considering they are running two S2000 cars!

Had a chat with the boss on Sunday and he hinted at some interesting developments.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqRSyi_Bv4&feature=channel_video_title

Nice work again Colin, interesting information from VW Motorsport. Good to see determination in their approach to world championship, looking forward to it.

[pantealex]

They have all these here in Jyväskylä Rally HQ (and maybe some more)
3x Scania + 18meter trailers
2x Crafter + car trailers
4x Multivan/Caravelle
2x Passat variant
2x Tiguan
2x Golf R reccecar
and those S2000 Skodas

That is way more than Hyundai/Seat/Skoda have in their WRC period.

[AndyRAC]

They have all these here in Jyväskylä Rally HQ (and maybe some more)
3x Scania + 18meter trailers
2x Crafter + car trailers
4x Multivan/Caravelle
2x Passat variant
2x Tiguan
2x Golf R reccecar
and those S2000 Skodas

That is way more than Hyundai/Seat/Skoda have in their WRC period.

Doesn't surprise me - a full commitment to their effort!! What I would have expected!!

[makinen_fan]

interesting news from autosport. dows this mean that VW might not be commited to the WRC for long term? only 2013-2017? or maybe means use another brand for F1, bugatti maybe??

Volkswagen says it may consider joining Formula 1 in 2018 - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93423)

[Hartusvuori]

Carlos Sainz and Mr. Nissen (I believe) were spectating at Ruuhimäki jumps this morning. Sadly didn't have chance to talk to them.

[GigiGalliNo1]

In iRally interview on YouTube VW hinted to TWO teams for 2013... One junior and one proper high end Works Team! 4 cars in total + probably privateers :) :)

[eppel]

Isn't the man in the middle FX Demaison?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/fi/pe_s_271_lindroos_1.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

H Guys,

I have to say VW look very impressive in the service park considering they are running two S2000 cars!

Had a chat with the boss on Sunday and he hinted at some interesting developments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqRSyi_Bv4&feature=channel_video_title

Ah! Didn't see this post and didn't know Colin was in forum!! Welcome!

[pantealex]

Isn't the man in the middle FX Demaison?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/fi/pe_s_271_lindroos_1.jpg

FX is working for VW, so maybe.

[MJW]

Isn't the man in the middle FX Demaison?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/wrc/fi/pe_s_271_lindroos_1.jpg
Yes and Carlos is the guy on the phone.

[Sulland]

Petter and Hanninen for team 1 and Tanak and a german for team 2 is my bet.

[logic]

I would put Ott Tanak and Hans Weis Jr in the 2nd team

[J.Lindstroem]

Tänak might be in a Ford by 2013 though...

[N.O.T]

If he is stupid enough he will go to ford and fund the 10 year plan of the moving disgrace. If he wants a future and not be a lap dog he should go to WV who at least have a vision about the sport....

[logic]

If he is stupid enough he will go to ford and fund the 10 year plan of the moving disgrace. If he wants a future and not be a lap dog he should go to WV who at least have a vision about the sport....

Who says VW will not tank his career as well?

[N.O.T]

With Wv is a risk...with ford is a sure failure.

[logic]

With Wv is a risk...with ford is a sure failure.

What makes you so sure?

[N.O.T]

results of the last 8 years is a good indication....

[logic]

Can you see into the future?

[N.O.T]

the past is the best indicator for the future....

[pete c]

when you write N.O.T all i see is blah blah blah.

[N.O.T]

really ???? .... strange

[jbmarcus21]

do u know when first Polo testing begin ?

[Mirek]

AFAIK they want to use purpose built bodyshell of new Polo-R but that hasn't yet been introduced. So either they built a car with different bodyshell or they will keep testing with Fabia.

[cilius66]

Has VW said anything abut Mikkelsen's performance in Finland?

And what does the people on this forum mean?

[Daniel]

H Guys,

I have to say VW look very impressive in the service park considering they are running two S2000 cars!

Had a chat with the boss on Sunday and he hinted at some interesting developments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqRSyi_Bv4&feature=channel_video_title

Just one pet peeve of people on here that I'd like to point out. You are the "Voice of RallyING" saying that you're the voice of rally is like saying Martin Brundle is the voice of f1 race.

I'd like to track down the person who decided to call rallying "rally" and give then a good slapping about.

[Mirek]

Has VW said anything abut Mikkelsen's performance in Finland?

And what does the people on this forum mean?

Everywhere I saw him he looked very calm except Luetsu where he retired behind finish.

[MJW]

British press report that Kris Nissen was impressed by Mikkelssen but not by Lindroos.

[danon]

VW + Hanninen = Cham(pion)pagne. :bounce:

[N.O.T]

British press report that Kris Nissen was impressed by Mikkelssen but not by Lindroos.

lol....

[Mirek]

lol....

Mikkelsen clearly didn't attack at all. I saw him many times and he usually is extra wide everywhere and that was not the case of Finland. He almost didn't jump and it looked like he took it very easy. If cruising for millage was the order from Nissen, than for sure he did better than Lindroos who crashed twice.

[donlorean]

Lindroos did one mistake. He drove too slow. Hardest thing to any fast driver is to drive nice and slow...

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen clearly didn't attack at all. I saw him many times and he usually is extra wide everywhere and that was not the case of Finland. He almost didn't jump and it looked like he took it very easy. If cruising for millage was the order from Nissen, than for sure he did better than Lindroos who crashed twice.

i doubt that in an evaluation drive event someone would order a driver to cruise... and i doubt even more that some would be impressed by cruising.... Both did a terrible job.

[Mirek]

I don't speak what someone would or what if something... I wrote what I saw in Finland and other events. I'm absolutely sure Mikkelsen didn't drive like usual in Finland and that he could have gone much faster.

[N.O.T]

i am not in doubt about what you saw.... i have big doubts that nissen was impressed though.

[Josti]

i am not in doubt about what you saw.... i have big doubts that nissen was impressed though.

Nissen probably knew Mikkelsen was good before Finland, so I doubt it's purely based on his performance there. Lindroos was mostly a gamble.

[N.O.T]

mikkelsen good ?? where did he base his assumption ?? loosing to Loix in the IRC ??

[Gregor-y]

Mikkelsen's good when he doesn't crash in the first stage. Loix can be a lot faster than he was with his stint at Mitsubishi.

[logic]

mikkelsen good ?? where did he base his assumption ?? loosing to Loix in the IRC ??

Loix was total **** in the Hyundai and in the Mitsubishi.

[Mirek]

Loix was total **** in the Hyundai and in the Mitsubishi.

It's not always a driver's fault...

[logic]

It's not always a driver's fault...
Granted , but he had a good car with Mitsubishi.

[Mirek]

That's also questionable point. Between 1996 and 2001 Tomi with Lancer won many events and achieved four titles but AFAIK in those 6 years other Mitsubishi drivers achieved only 3 (!) podiums all of them. Radstrom one, Burns two. That's hardly a success. In my opinion it was only the combination of Tomi and Lancer which was winning but the car itself wasn't a winner.

[darkstar]

thats true, mitsubishi focused only on mäkinen. loix is defenetly a very good driver, especially on ruff tarmac. and hyundai...how could you be fast in that car?

[makinen_fan]

don't agree with you, when burns was at his best in mitsubishi (98) he had decent results and he often crashed that's why the final results don't show it. but loix when he came to mitsu in 99 he was nowhere. burns had 37 SS wins in 98 and loix just 4 between 99-2001... i think that tells smt on his abilities

[Hartusvuori]

Are you measuring how good Freddie Loix of 2011 is based on his outings ten or more years ago? It's hard to compare his speed against WRC drivers because there are no recent starts, but on S2000 machinery and on tarmac, he is one of the fastest.

[mousti]

Yep Loix got a nice treatment with Toyota but when it stopped he went to Mitsubishi what was bad the car was made around Makinen and only around him and there was a clan around Tommi where Loix didn't belong. Hyundai was crap and Peugeot well yeah Corrado with the cigar..

[Josti]

mikkelsen good ?? where did he base his assumption ?? loosing to Loix in the IRC ??

Yes, I think Mikkelsen is good, yet not great. He was quite impressive in France and Rally GB last year.

Loix is a vastly experienced and fast driver, especially on asphalt. Seems you only considerate him as a 'has been', while he's still actually a very good driver in his field.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Yes a great driver in his field. What people are doing here is comparing him to Loeb and Ogier, the Ford crew and current era of drivers.

I still think Loix was a number two Driver to Tommi as Sordo was to Loeb!!!!! There to bring in the points and keep a leash on the top rivals to support the no.1 driver :)

[vegardw]

Volkswagen Motorsport has published a news item on their home page after Rally Finland: 2013 WRC countdown begins: Volkswagen Motorsport completes first rally event in Finland - Volkswagen Motorsport (http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/news/index.php?&flash=no&lg=e&st=588&id=4596)

[Barreis]

Yes a great driver in his field. What people are doing here is comparing him to Loeb and Ogier, the Ford crew and current era of drivers.

I still think Loix was a number two Driver to Tommi as Sordo was to Loeb!!!!! There to bring in the points and keep a leash on the top rivals to support the no.1 driver :)

Agree.

[makinen_fan]

Yes a great driver in his field. What people are doing here is comparing him to Loeb and Ogier, the Ford crew and current era of drivers.

I still think Loix was a number two Driver to Tommi as Sordo was to Loeb!!!!! There to bring in the points and keep a leash on the top rivals to support the no.1 driver :)

sordo did provide support and many many points to citroen, though loix did not...

and ok he can do the job only on tarmac though and with IRC level of competition...

[Tomi]

though loix did not...

and ok he can do the job only on tarmac though and with IRC level of competition...

But Loix did bring the money to Mitsu so they could run the cars, if Mitsu would have had big support from the factory, Loix would have ended up like he did with Peugeot.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Yesterday i was to Volkswagen Motorsport Test Days in gravel to prepare 2013 Wrc Season and i make video [VIDEO] Image (http://bit.ly/nwCMtn)

[N.O.T]

what exactly are they testing with a fabia ?? do the polo and fabia share the same chassis or engine or something ???

[Mirek]

Suspension, transmission etc. Polo won't be made from white paper. They have quite good start point in Fabia which is especially valuable since Polo and Fabia have almost same platform, so You it's very easy to mount parts of one into the other. Moreover Fabia 1.6T was in development for a whole year with working engine, so another experience comes from that.

[N.O.T]

Totally unprofessional approach if they actually use a fabia to test their WRC car....

[cali]

Honestly, you should be a head of VW motorsport ....

[Mirek]

Totally unprofessional approach if they actually use a fabia to test their WRC car....

Why? Polo WRC will be based on Polo-R model which has NOT been introduced so far so they can't use it anyway although it is basically very similar with Fabia platform. Compared to that Fabia is fully working car and You can test whatever You want in real rallies because You can simply homologate new parts for use in Fabia without any risk for yet not homologated Polo. For sure You understand that testing in real events against real opposition is much more valuable that somewhere on private grounds.

[N.O.T]

no i should not....

you should come to Greece...here yes men and people that do not question anything thrive...

[N.O.T]

Why? Polo WRC will be based on Polo-R model which has NOT been introduced so far so they can't use it anyway although it is basically very similar with Fabia platform. Compared to that Fabia is fully working car and You can test whatever You want in real rallies because You can simply homologate new parts for use in Fabia without any risk for yet not homologated Polo. For sure You understand that testing in real events against real opposition is much more valuable that somewhere on private grounds.

yes, but the fabia is a different car than a wrc.....sure they have similarities and they can draw some conclusions but i think to devote so many resources testing on a car that they will not use eventually i think it will not have a good outcome...we saw how their program went in Finland.

[Mirek]

Are You aware that S2000 and WRC rules are exactly same except several point (specifically engine, flywheel, rear wing, front bumper, front asphalt brakes and windows)? That means let's say 95% of the rules are same, so it's not that different car, especially considering the fact Fabia was for one year developed as WRC and that development was stopped only few weeks a go in favor of Polo.

[logic]

Totally unprofessional approach if they actually use a fabia to test their WRC car....

Have you ever ran a WRC team?

[cali]

yes, but the fabia is a different car than a wrc.....sure they have similarities and they can draw some conclusions but i think to devote so many resources testing on a car that they will not use eventually i think it will not have a good outcome...we saw how their program went in Finland.

You definitely should as you know it all. Thus far it's just a waste of knowledge and talent combined

[Mintexmemory]

You definitely should as you know it all. Thus far it's just a waste of knowledge and talent combined


:D How about a waste of oxygen and DNA.
I can't believe how many people keep biting whenthe hook gets cast. :cool:

[N.O.T]

Have you ever ran a WRC team?

hmmm let me think.... No

Have the VW run one ??? ....hmmmmmm

I am expressing my opinion here nothing more...

The Citroen team tested the wrc car for 2 years in the case of xsara and 1.5 in the case of C4 ..... and that worked well in my opinion.

the WV team so far are testing a car that is different to a WRC (around 300.000 euros different which i think its quite a difference) with various amateur drivers... so far they seem to have an amateur approach. The fact they actually do not plan to eneter at least a few rounds (so far) with their WRC car next year and go at full attack in 2013 seems a bit risky....

All the evidence show that their programm seems not to have a strategic organisational plan.

[logic]

hmmm let me think.... No

Have the VW run one ??? ....hmmmmmm

I am expressing my opinion here nothing more...

The Citroen team tested the wrc car for 2 years in the case of xsara and 1.5 in the case of C4 ..... and that worked well in my opinion.

the WV team so far are testing a car that is different to a WRC (around 300.000 euros different which i think its quite a difference) with various amateur drivers... so far they seem to have an amateur approach. The fact they actually do not plan to eneter at least a few rounds (so far) with their WRC car next year and go at full attack in 2013 seems a bit risky....

All the evidence show that their programm seems not to have a strategic organisational plan.

VW has ran countless other racing projects , so you arguing that they are making a mistake for "trying " to come to grips with rallying by testing a car that is under their umbrella is kind of stupid. You have no idea what they are testing or what they are doing , for all we know the gearbox could be something they built that they are testing for the WRC and many other systems on the car.

You have no idea what they are doing with the testing , so before you jump up and say that that have no strategic organisational plan or an unprofessional approach to use the fabia as a base car you need to think about what they are doing .

I shall have you know the first Xara's rallied were converted from the FWD cars to the 4wd WRC , i guess citroen were unprofessional as well too?

[N.O.T]

I shall have you know the first Xara's rallied were converted from the FWD cars to the 4wd WRC , i guess citroen were unprofessional as well too?

totally different project....the kit cars were tested as kit cars...Bugalski tested the WRC car separate from the kit car. Citroen never tested the Citroen kit car to draw conclusions for the WRC, apart from the chassis. Does the Fabia and the polo share the chassis ????

The xsara WRC was tested individually for around 2 years. same goes for the C4 (citroen even funded the kronos project in the WRC to get ready with the C4)

I really wish the VW to succeed because the sport needs a car colossus apart from the PSA to get involved. But i think the fact that they are using a different car to draw conclusions is wrong....bare in mind that the other teams during the 2011/2012 season will have data from the actual cars they are going to use in 2013 and develop them accordingly...WV will prepare a car in 2012 taking data from a s2000 car, then test the car through the 2012 season (without any competition entries) and introduce it in 2013.....and also they are going to use 1000 different drivers with different driving skills and levels to decide where the evolution and development will head...

well the above plan doesn't fit in my head for a team that wants to succeed...

[bretddog]

hmmm let me think.... No

Have the VW run one ??? ....hmmmmmm

I am expressing my opinion here nothing more...

The Citroen team tested the wrc car for 2 years in the case of xsara and 1.5 in the case of C4 ..... and that worked well in my opinion.

the WV team so far are testing a car that is different to a WRC (around 300.000 euros different which i think its quite a difference) with various amateur drivers... so far they seem to have an amateur approach. The fact they actually do not plan to eneter at least a few rounds (so far) with their WRC car next year and go at full attack in 2013 seems a bit risky....

All the evidence show that their programm seems not to have a strategic organisational plan.

Please get yourself a hobby or a functioning girlfriend. It's a sorry sight to witness your slow and steady degeneration.

[Mirek]

Does the Fabia and the polo share the chassis ????

So again... PQ24 Platform (Fabia) is almost identical with PQ25 Platform (Polo). PQ25 is a further developed PQ24.

[N.O.T]

Please get yourself a hobby or a functioning girlfriend. It's a sorry sight to witness your slow and steady degeneration.

any other solutions ?? these 2 don't seem to help at the moment .....

[N.O.T]

So again... PQ24 Platform (Fabia) is almost identical with PQ25 Platform (Polo). PQ25 is a further developed PQ24.

that is at least something positive...

[Sulland]

Ouzo - Lots !! -D

[N.O.T]

no way...

[alleskids]

The Citroen team tested the wrc car for 2 years in the case of xsara and 1.5 in the case of C4 ..... and that worked well in my opinion.


Did the Citroen Xsara WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven, or was it develloped from the Xsara Kitcar?
Did the Citroen C4 WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven , or was it develloped from the Xsara WRcar?
Even the Citroen DS3 WRCar had DNA strings form the C4 WRCar.....

[logic]

Did the Citroen Xsara WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven, or was it develloped from the Xsara Kitcar?
Did the Citroen C4 WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven , or was it develloped from the Xsara WRcar?
Even the Citroen DS3 WRCar had DNA strings form the C4 WRCar.....

Can i take white flash from heaven for 200?

[N.O.T]

Did the Citroen Xsara WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven, or was it develloped from the Xsara Kitcar?
Did the Citroen C4 WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven , or was it develloped from the Xsara WRcar?
Even the Citroen DS3 WRCar had DNA strings form the C4 WRCar.....

This is not getting anywhere...we will see what VW will achieve when the time comes....

[makinen_fan]

the thing is that any information the engineer guys in VW can gather it will help them how to better design the initial car and then develop it further. of course and they will not look for the right set up for the fabia and believe its gonna be carried over to the Polo, they know what they are doing... and after all the wins in the Dakar didn't came by pure luck or smt

[DonJippo]

we will see what VW will achieve when the time comes....

They will achieve a lot.

[N.O.T]

Lets hope so...

[jbmarcus21]

youtube link about VW test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dmCi8pvZRU&feature=youtu.be

[pete c]

who is doing the driving?

[GigiGalliNo1]

The Focus came from the Escort? :D

[N.O.T]

The Focus came from the Escort? :D

of course not...it came from the escort kit car...LOL

[jbmarcus21]

who is doing the driving?

Dieter Depping

[Mirek]

of course not...it came from the escort kit car...LOL

Of course even the kit car was very important part of the way to Focus. Knowhow doesn't grow on trees. It's about years of experience, not about talking on forum...

[N.O.T]

of course everything counts...but the more similarities with the testing subject there are, when you develop something (not just cars) the better the results are usually.

[Andre Oliveira]

1.http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/estonia.pngTänak O. - Sikk K. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=2369&stage=22316&driver=123123)
#22 Ford Fiesta S2000
2.http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/nederland.pngWeijs jr. H. - Degandt B. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=2369&stage=22316&driver=123117)
#20 Škoda Fabia S2000
+31.8
3.http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags3/germany.pngRiedemann C. - Wenzel M. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=2369&stage=22316&driver=123116)
#19 Škoda Fabia S2000
+3:30.7

Class 2 podium for VW Motorsport

[Barreis]

Would be suprised not to see P.Solberg in team in 2013 when FX is working for them.

[Plan9]

Who are the "25 potential candidates" for the Polo? I can't believe they will test that many people next year.

[N.O.T]

i think 25 potential customers suits better the description...

[danon]

Оne less - candidate :arrow: World Rally Championship: Breen vows to bounce back after trials snub - Motorsport, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/world-rally-championship-breen-vows-to-bounce-back-after-trials-snub-16043234.html)

[Plan9]

Оne less - candidate :arrow: World Rally Championship: Breen vows to bounce back after trials snub - Motorsport, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/world-rally-championship-breen-vows-to-bounce-back-after-trials-snub-16043234.html)

LMAO!!! I was beginning to think that anyone under 25 who had even been within 100 meters of a Fabia s2000 was going to be invited to test. I guess we will see who has the deepest pockets or who is prepared to wait a year and hold their breath.

[Plan9]

When will we first see the Polo being tested? I personally cannot wait!!!!

[Barreis]

+1

[Hartusvuori]

Оne less - candidate :arrow: World Rally Championship: Breen vows to bounce back after trials snub - Motorsport, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/world-rally-championship-breen-vows-to-bounce-back-after-trials-snub-16043234.html)

Otherwise... err... refreshing article, but few facts were off: Kaur won WRC Academy in Finland and Gardemeister was top privateer in Zlín.

[rp]

It is said in this week´s Finnish Veikkaaja magazine that there is only six potential candidates left for the Polo seats and one of them is Hänninen...

[darkstar]

i actually dont think vw is looking for pay drivers, they want the best drivers (would be perfect it they also fit into theyre marketing strategy) and not the richest. money is no problem at vw i guess...

[Daniel]

Did the Citroen Xsara WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven, or was it develloped from the Xsara Kitcar?
Did the Citroen C4 WRCar suddenly appeared on a white flash from heaven , or was it develloped from the Xsara WRcar?
Even the Citroen DS3 WRCar had DNA strings form the C4 WRCar.....

How about realising that they are hugely different cars. I'm sorry but a kit car and a WRC at the time had as much in common as a cat and a dog. Seat had a fairly successful F2 career and their time in the WRC was fruitless.

Putting a transmission tunnel in, changing the rear suspension from a torsion bar setup to a macpherson strut and putting in a 4wd transmission isn't simple bolt on stuff. In a kit car all the rear had to do was follow the front, in a WRCar it is nowhere near that simple. The Xsara WRCar also had the revolutionary kinetic ARB system which was NOT present in the kit car. Lets also remember that the Xsara Kit Car had virtually no career on gravel and neither did its father the 306 Maxi.

The idea that the Xsara WRC was somehow a kit car with a turbo engine and a 4wd transmission is hilarious and you should be laughed at for saying that in public.

[danon]

Petter has a stored database information,
particularly from Citroen which is crucial for developing the car.

Another reason to be selected by VW. I guess.

[logic]

Petter has a stored database information,
particularly from Citroen which is crucial for developing the car.

Another reason to be selected by VW. I guess.

That information would be useless , cuz he never drove the works car.

[darkstar]

everyone also know´s that solberg is not a good car developer and testdriver. also i think of the last subaru years, when atkinson was already faster then him. quite strange no one talks about him...

[Barreis]

No seats available. That's why nobody talks about him.

[N.O.T]

Solberg is very nice choice for VW though because of his PR skills...so they can take advantage of him for a year and then replace him with someone who can win rallies and championships.

That way they both win, WV will manage and get many fans because of Solberg who has a very dedicated fan base and Solberg will be able to drive in a team once more and be a nice measure for the No1 driver of the team.

Atkinson is a big risk...he is very fast but he lacks consistency which makes him a gamble for a serious Team. Same as Latvala who is a winner but definately not good for the manufacturer championship.

[Rallyper]

Any stardriver who joins VW for 2012 will have a car that is not ready and competitive against Citroen and Ford. Have you thought what that means?

It means that the good driver who ever it will be, have maybe to start first on legs because bad times on shakedown. Let´s hope everyone count that when we´re talking who´s gonna be VW´s no1 driver next year and not count him out after having bad results.

[N.O.T]

all that is speculation...WV will test for a whole year so i think the car might be very fast out of the box, if the base is good.

what i do not like about WV is their young driver testing program.....how can they evaluate a rally driver from a single event ?? and especially from an event that he knows well (since so far they pick specialists for their tests) ??

[Barreis]

Yeah, ford was quick when Tapio Laukkanen was test driver.

[Gregor-y]

VW could copy Subaru and hire some older drivers. Vatanen and Alen were both Subaru regulars in the early nineties as Colin McRae was building up his name.

[Viking]

everyone also know´s that solberg is not a good car developer and testdriver. also i think of the last subaru years, when atkinson was already faster then him. quite strange no one talks about him...

I don't know, please enlighten me. All I know is that Citroen was pretty amazed of what Petter and FX did to the c4 last year... And Atko faster than Petter is just an urban legend, look up the stats...

[danon]

Petter is a one-man show too. Yet another reason :arrow: Videoblog: Åge Hareide sitter på med Petter Solberg (30.aug 2011) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=buaxsdwiTTw)

[mm1]

Atko hasn`t been in the sport for some time now, unlike Petter. If Atko want`s a seat, he has to start all over again.

[darkstar]

I don't know, please enlighten me. All I know is that Citroen was pretty amazed of what Petter and FX did to the c4 last year... And Atko faster than Petter is just an urban legend, look up the stats...

all i know is that i never have heard from a driver that messed up his setup so mutch that he stop´s driving and retires from a rallye. also you can clearly see here, that atkinson was better in 2008 then solberg: http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?season=2008&section=1& (http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?season=2008&section=1&category=0#bodovani)category=0#bodovani (http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?season=2008&section=1&category=0#bodovani)

he had lots of podiums in 2008.

please dont take it as offense, im not a fan of solberg and not a fan of atkinson too, but you could clearly see that atkinson was better in 2008.

also it´s not really true that atkinson has no driving experience anymore, he´s doing some rallyes with the proton. but of course he wont be at the same pace as in 2008 i guess.

[RS]

Оne less - candidate :arrow: World Rally Championship: Breen vows to bounce back after trials snub - Motorsport, Sport - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/world-rally-championship-breen-vows-to-bounce-back-after-trials-snub-16043234.html)

On the one hand VW said in Motorsport News this week that they are only considering people from IRC or sWRC for their Fabia drives and that there was "no-one" from Britain to consider, and then on the other hand they are looking at people like Lindroos, Riedemann, Gilmour. Doesn't seem to be a great deal of consistency there.

Will be interesting to see who they pick for the remaining rounds this year.

I guess Petter, Hanninen and Mikkelsen are three of the six.

[Rallyper]

Atko was seen at Ford in Finland. Maybe only as ordinary guest or maybe anything else...?

[Daniel]

Atko was seen at Ford in Finland. Maybe only as ordinary guest or maybe anything else...?

I honestly think Atkinson would be a good choice.

[Mirek]

Atko was seen at Ford in Finland. Maybe only as ordinary guest or maybe anything else...?

I saw him in Mini tent there... ;)

[Walach]

I honestly think Atkinson would be a good choice.

Maybe two years ago...now he is out of WRC for third season and it´s IMHO too much.

[Daniel]

Maybe two years ago...now he is out of WRC for third season and it´s IMHO too much.

meh, he's young enough to bounce back.

[danon]

... I guess Petter, Hanninen and Mikkelsen are three of the six.

These are definitely the drivers to form the final and complete end-selection at VW. :up:

[RS]

Maybe two years ago...now he is out of WRC for third season and it´s IMHO too much.

Meeke was away for longer (and never in a full WRC team before anyway) and he is stacking up pretty well against Sordo given his huge experience deficit.

[RS]

These are definitely the drivers to form the final and complete end-selection at VW. :up:

I agree that would make a good team, although you could maybe substitute one of the Ford guys for Petter if neccesary.

[fastboy]

Spoke to Atko in Germany,and he said he had no chance of a works drive next year,and the chances of him competing nxt year in customer car was slim as he can't get finances.He said he had spoken with vw but nothing serious, and while there is a chance of driving in wrc again he wont give up.

[Plan9]

Spoke to Atko in Germany,and he said he had no chance of a works drive next year,and the chances of him competing nxt year in customer car was slim as he can't get finances.He said he had spoken with vw but nothing serious, and while there is a chance of driving in wrc again he wont give up.

I'm happy and sad to hear this. Can't Ken Block hook him up with the Monster car for an event he won't be doing anyway? I'm sorry that it has come down to money for him, but surely a APRC title in an eye-catching car like Proton would help him?

How much would Atko's chances improve if Mini were allowed to enter a third works car for him? I would think Dave Richards could make an exception for him.

[tfp]

I'm happy and sad to hear this. Can't Ken Block hook him up with the Monster car for an event he won't be doing anyway? I'm sorry that it has come down to money for him, but surely a APRC title in an eye-catching car like Proton would help him?

How much would Atko's chances improve if Mini were allowed to enter a third works car for him? I would think Dave Richards could make an exception for him.

I did hear something a while back suggesting he may enter WRC in the monster world rally team, I guess nothing came of it. Shame, I'd love to see him back.

[Plan9]

I was hoping he would become a bit like Block & Rossi i.e take up a sponsorship profile with Monster and be included on its homepage as a way to promote himself and the brand. I guess this kind of thinking gets you nowhere as there is not much money to be made endorsing rally drivers when you could choose a Moto-X tool with a tattooey neck.

[Plan9]

On the one hand VW said in Motorsport News this week that they are only considering people from IRC or sWRC for their Fabia drives and that there was "no-one" from Britain to consider, and then on the other hand they are looking at people like Lindroos, Riedemann, Gilmour. Doesn't seem to be a great deal of consistency there.

Will be interesting to see who they pick for the remaining rounds this year.

I guess Petter, Hanninen and Mikkelsen are three of the six.

I imagine we could guarantee that Mikkelsen will be in the VW team. It would be mad to let go of him.

I hope that Hanninen is not going into an end of year slump that could lead him to lose the SWRC and IRC titles. If that happens I expect he won't get higher than a Customer Fiesta for the rest of his career.

Do you think that Kopecky is being prepaired for a run at the WRC, it seems that Skoda still favors him and he has some speed in him still.

[Zeakiwi]

Nominations for VW test sessions.

Baumschlager/Zeltner, Lavanttal-Rallye 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5d0fK3I5v4&feature=related) (Raimund Bauschlager for tarmac setup)
"Mini Countryman WRC" by Marcus Grönholm_4º Day of Tests at Ponte de Lima, Portugal 2010.avi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF_75w6CL_k) (Gronholm) I wonder if he created some interesting gravel test data for the Mini and feedback.

[Mirek]

Do you think that Kopecky is being prepaired for a run at the WRC, it seems that Skoda still favors him and he has some speed in him still.

Not at all.

[RS]

I hope that Hanninen is not going into an end of year slump that could lead him to lose the SWRC and IRC titles. If that happens I expect he won't get higher than a Customer Fiesta for the rest of his career.


I don't think so... I think Juho would have won in Germany reasonably comfortable without his stupid mistake and Barum is quite a tricky rally where experience seems to count a lot.

It will be interesting to see who VW pick for the remaining events this year if they have already narrowed down their search. I guess Mikkelsen will get at least one more go this year though.

[Sulland]

When will we see the first Polo Rally car in testing, no matter what engine?

[Fly]

According to Autonews Magazine » WRC » Volkswagen déjà en essais avec la Polo R WRC ! (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=17575) , Hänninen is testing the first prototype of the Polo for VW on gravel in France. Hans Weijs jr will take over at the end of the week.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hell yeah! Is Hänninen testing right now, or in future?

[N.O.T]

very good news...

[Fly]

Hell yeah! Is Hänninen testing right now, or in future?

This week according to the site.

[focus206]

According to Autonews Magazine » WRC » Volkswagen déjà en essais avec la Polo R WRC ! (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=17575) , Hänninen is testing the first prototype of the Polo for VW on gravel in France. Hans Weijs jr will take over at the end of the week.

Great! I'm expecially happy for Weijs Jr :)

[dimviii]

nice news! Waiting for photos.

[wildsir]

That's Hanninen sorted out for 2012 then.

[tolis]

Great to see Hanninen testing the car!!! Goooooo Juho!

[Francis44]

I hope we can see the car competing before 2013, maybe some rounds at the end of the 2012?! And im happy for Hanninen, he deserves it.

[danon]

VW test drivers for Spain are... -> VW setzt Testprogramm mit Nachwuchspiloten fort | Automobil | MOTORSPORT aktuell (http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/vw-setzt-testprogramm-mit-nachwuchspiloten-fort-4011221.html)

[Viking]

I like the shape of this thing :)

New VW Polo R WRC : Frankfurt | New VW Polo R WRC Concept | New Car Trends (http://newcartrends.com/new-vw-polo-r-wrc-frankfurt.html#more-3432)

http://newcartrends.com/new-vw-polo-r-wrc-frankfurt.html/new-vw-polo-r-wrc-frankfurt

[darkstar]

according to this news vw will drive all wrc rounds in 2012 with the skoda: http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2011%2F09%2F19%2Fvw-setzt-auch-2012-auf-skoda%2Findex.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8]vw in 2012 with skoda fabia[url/] ([url=http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2011%2F09%2F19%2Fvw-setzt-auch-2012-auf-skoda%2Findex.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

[darkstar]

according to this news vw will drive all wrc rounds in 2012 with the skoda: vw in 2012 with skoda fabia s2000 (http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2011%2F09%2F19%2Fvw-setzt-auch-2012-auf-skoda%2Findex.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)


Im kommenden Jahr will Volkswagen Motorsport an allen WM-Läufen teilnehmen, um das Team weiter an die Abläufe in der Topliga zu gewöhnen.

translation: next year volkswagen motorsport will participate in all WRC rounds, to get the team used to the processes in the topleague.

[Plan9]

Will the Fabia be phased out when VW is fully competitive? I only ask as we have not heard if there will be a s2000 Polo or not. Would VW run their excess junior talent in a VW backed Fabia as I do not see have they could have more than 4 WRC cars in the field (2 for WRC pros, 1 for a German who is favored by HQ & a 4th car for other talents or a gentleman driver)

[mousti]

Will the Fabia be phased out when VW is fully competitive? I only ask as we have not heard if there will be a s2000 Polo or not. Would VW run their excess junior talent in a VW backed Fabia as I do not see have they could have more than 4 WRC cars in the field (2 for WRC pros, 1 for a German who is favored by HQ & a 4th car for other talents or a gentleman driver)
Maybe there will be a Evo 3 version of the Fabia but that has to be officially confirmed yet. A Polo S2000 will never be created because u can't make a new model S2000 only the existing S2000's may get updates that's all. So S2000 will start to die soon probably :'(. And I think it has been said here development of the S1.6t is been shut down for a while now or not?

[Sulland]

Quite a difference in front overhang btw the concept ant the real thing:

http://newcartrends.com/new-vw-polo-r-wrc-frankfurt.html/new-vw-polo-r-wrc-concept

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/volkswagen-polo-r-wrc-frankfurt-2011/#photo-4445776/

But both look good I must say !

[Fly]

according to this news vw will drive all wrc rounds in 2012 with the skoda: vw in 2012 with skoda fabia s2000 (http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2011%2F09%2F19%2Fvw-setzt-auch-2012-auf-skoda%2Findex.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)



translation: next year volkswagen motorsport will participate in all WRC rounds, to get the team used to the processes in the topleague.

Don't know if it's been writen before: Abbring (Kevin in the above tranlation) also tested for VW although he got support from Citroen in the French gravel championship (according to Autonews Magazine » WRC » Abbring a également testé pour Volkswagen (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=17666))

[alleskids]

Autonews was last week reporting that Hanninen and Weijs were testing for VW, whie German media reported that Depping and Sainz were doing the tests. who is right, which drivers were testing for VW last week?

[Plan9]

Maybe there will be a Evo 3 version of the Fabia but that has to be officially confirmed yet. A Polo S2000 will never be created because u can't make a new model S2000 only the existing S2000's may get updates that's all. So S2000 will start to die soon probably :'(. And I think it has been said here development of the S1.6t is been shut down for a while now or not?
Will this mean that s2000 as a formula will lose some cred? If Skoda leaves then there will only be Ford, Peugeot, Proton, Mitsubishi...

[Maui J.]

Will this mean that s2000 as a formula will lose some cred? If Skoda leaves then there will only be Ford, Peugeot, Proton, Mitsubishi...

Mitsubishi?

[Plan9]

They run a car in IRC, I don't think it is technically s2000 however.

[DonJippo]

They run a car in IRC, I don't think it is technically s2000 however.

They don't run a car in IRC they just paid the fee to allow drivers with Mitsubishi to collect points in the series.

[N.O.T]

same with subaru and arai.

[danon]

MaxRally | News | Volkswagen interested in Ogier (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/volkswagen_interested_in_ogier/)

[MJW]

MaxRally | News | Volkswagen interested in Ogier (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/volkswagen_interested_in_ogier/)
But can you see him taking a year out for test and development?

[tfp]

If the two teams current line up stay the same, and for some crazy reason, they dont pick petter, I wonder if they would consider PG? They could do a lot worse...

[Barreis]

PG is a waste.

[tfp]

PG is a waste.

Waste is the wrong word to describe him. He has the pace, he just lacks the ability to finish.

[Plan9]

How about Liatti or Eriksson or even Delecour they would leap at the opportunuity!!! =p

[Mirek]

But can you see him taking a year out for test and development?

Maybe if they make him No.1 driver...

[J.Lindstroem]

How about Liatti or Eriksson or even Delecour they would leap at the opportunuity!!! =p

This is 2012 we are speaking about. Not 2002! ;)

[Priorat]

How about Liatti or Eriksson or even Delecour they would leap at the opportunuity!!! =p

Sure, and Walter Röhrl for the German junior seat...

[focus206]

I think Plan9 was joking...

[AndyRAC]

Sure, and Walter Röhrl for the German junior seat...

Rohrl would still do a good job of Testing & Developing a car....look at Porsche...

[N.O.T]

LOL...

setting up a road car which aims to be driven by all shorts of people is a bit different than setting up and constantly developing a rally car which is ging to be driven by the best drivers of this world...

be serious please.

[MJW]

Carlos has kept the testing gig for himself and Dieter Depping. Initial testing of Polo WRC due in November - the reported recent Hanninen tests were in a Skoda fitted with Polo WRC parts. Thats not to say that VW does sign a driver for 2012, but the very first tests in November will be undertaken by Carlos and Dieter Depping.

[AndyRAC]

LOL...

setting up a road car which aims to be driven by all shorts of people is a bit different than setting up and constantly developing a rally car which is ging to be driven by the best drivers of this world...

be serious please.

It was said with tongue in cheek.....

[N.O.T]

oh..ok then sorry.

but i am excused since the things people post in here some times makes what you wrote to sound pretty legit.

[cali]

oh..ok then sorry.

but i am excused since the things people post in here some times makes what you wrote to sound pretty legit.

Don't worry, you are always excused ;)

[Plan9]

I think Plan9 was joking...
I was thank you focus206 ;p

[TyPat107]

Are there any videos of the Polo WRC being tested? Former Canadian rally champ Pat Richard said in an interview yesterday that he had tested the VW and Mini wrc cars within the last month.

[dumb]

And what next from him?

[Miika]

According to TS Autosprint is rumouring that the good old KKK aka Juha Kankkunen could be testing the WRC Polo some day soon (says it would be the first test drive for the car, I thought it was already tested).

WRC-Polon ensi testiä sovitellaan Kankkuselle - Ralli - Turun Sanomat (http://www.ts.fi/moottoriurheilu/ralli/265720.html)

[mousti]

Thought so too that Hans Weijs tested it around Rally de France..

[N.O.T]

the car is not out of the factory premises for testing yet....

[br21]

They were using Fabia with some future VW parts in it when testing some time ago in France, no complete VW car ready yet

[OldF]

Kris Nissen hopes to announce first driver in coming weeks.

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/and_then_there_were_four/

[userwave]

Are there any videos of the Polo WRC being tested? Former Canadian rally champ Pat Richard said in an interview yesterday that he had tested the VW and Mini wrc cars within the last month.

Pat Richards foray into WRC events in GroupN years ago was not overly successful, surprised to read this as I think there are better Canadian rally drivers that would fair better at the top level.

[OldF]

Polo WRC tested for the first time.

“German driver Dieter Depping, one of the firm’s trusted test drivers, was at the wheel for the first test.”

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/polo_r_wrc_is_up_and_running/

[pete c]

Seem to be putting a lot of effort in to get the car up and running this year, if they are not going to be running it next year (like mini did this year).
Hope this will be the case and VW will do a selected program of events.
Would be nice to see 4 WRC manufacturers on some events next year

[Barreis]

It won't be.

[Miika]

According to Heikki Kulta from TS the WRC paddock is rumouring that Petter Solberg´s negotions have come to an end with VW, because of Petter asking too much money from the deal.
http://www.ts.fi/moottoriurheilu/ralli/269573.html

[Mirek]

This time good choice for the testing run. Lemes did pretty good job this weekend.

[traxx]

According to Heikki Kulta from TS the WRC paddock is rumouring that Petter Solberg´s negotions have come to an end with VW, because of Petter asking too much money from the deal.
http://www.ts.fi/moottoriurheilu/ralli/269573.html

I can't see nothing about Solberg & VW through this link :(

[Miika]

Seems they have either edited the news bit or moved it under some other article, guess it is time to start using screenshots instead of links in the future. The Petter&VW info wasn´t a headline but a mention among other stuff.

[Mirek]

VW will use Sachs dampers according to team manager Peter Utoft.

[dimviii]

VW will use Sachs dampers according to team manager Peter Utoft.

didn t like ready/prooven solutions from Rieger,Extreme tech? Another Germany product which will be first time in wrc level.....

[Mirek]

Sachs was in Subaru in 2006, wasn't it?

...not a success anyway...

[dimviii]

Sachs was in Subaru in 2006, wasn't it?

...not a success anyway...
yes for a year i think without success,thats why they changed.

[logic]

Sachs were on the cars from 2005 till 2007

[Barreis]

Probably worst period.

[TyPat107]

Sachs were worse than BOS? I thought they had the most problem with BOS.

[Barreis]

Aha.

[dimviii]

Seems thats the only problem wasn t BOS or Sachs at this period.
petter was 5th-6th-6th at years 2006-2007-2008 in championship.In 4-5 years they had change 3 times the suspension manufacture.After suspension ,was Pirellis fault,so Pirelli decided to enter a private xsara with Galli in Italy.Remember?

[Blitzerflitzer]

Somebody interest in a new job: we are looking for... (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2011/10/28/vw-sucht-verstaerkung/index.html)

[darkstar]

so, here are the first moving pictures of the brand new polo wrc, the car has a great sound!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtZExauRgs&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtZExauRgs

[Micke_VOC]

Looks great.... really good sound.

[dimviii]

a direct youtube link please?

[darkstar]

here you go: Polo R WRC Test 2011 [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtZExauRgs)

[Andre Oliveira]

Click on Youtube in task bar in the video.

[Allyc85]

Great footage, cheers!

The car sounds great, but those day time running lights are so crap!

[dimviii]

Thanks mates.

[Miika]

Hoping the clock will like the car as much as my eyes and ears. Loving it.

[Rallyper]

The engine has a sound in it wich to me points out that the engine doesnt run so good it could do. If you know what I mean. A sound a bit like the latest Mitsu WRC version.

Maybe theres some more hp if the sound wasnt there...

[Allyc85]

Just lol at the comment above! :laugh:

Its early test for christs sake, I bet they are only really doing system checks etc

[logic]

Best proof about how bad Sachs suspension was on Subaru, is what they are using now. All Subaru WRC's I've seen in last years are fitted with Reiger Suspension.

They were never offered with Reigers all of the customers put them on them self.

[gtimad73]

that looks cool. sounds really good to me. a bit mini like

[N.O.T]

very nice...looks properly fast :D

[Mirek]

For very first footage it's pretty impressive. Great sound definitely. I would say that this car has different suspension kinematics to Fabia. It appears more closer to a Fiesta...

[Barreis]

Very nice.

[dimviii]

engine seems wealthy and already with antilag.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/05/70/57075x4eb1abdb10.jpg
http://www.3ax.com.br/arquivos/images/carros%20e%20motos/poloWRC_1.jpg

Some diferences...

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/05/70/57085x4eb1ac0459.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cY-buuztejQ/TcMTNBwiJwI/AAAAAAAACsw/Kudvo0faa-Q/s1600/polo-wrc-2.jpg

[dimviii]

the second car at last post hasn t got a cage..Alsoo the front bumper is totally different.Exhaust pipe at different side too.

[Barreis]

That was for show only.

[Robisztar]

For very first footage it's pretty impressive. Great sound definitely. I would say that this car has different suspension kinematics to Fabia. It appears more closer to a Fiesta...
I think the same about it.

[JRodrigues]

A few weeks ago we already saw the final car. And it was like it is now in testing.